Wish is Everything Wrong with Disney
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
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0:00 - 3:39 Intro
3:39 - 5:21 The General Plot
5:21 - 15:34 Asha
15:34 - 27:50 The People of Rosas
27:50 - 54:05 Magnifico
54:05 - 1:10:49 The Music
1:10:49 - 1:16:52 The Message/Outro - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Part of this review was muted because of copyright. It is what it is with Disney lol
Instrumentals I used in my Renditions
Welcome to Rosas - th-cam.com/video/_iF7lkXKHlA/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PeterGundry%7CComposer
This is the Thanks I Get? - th-cam.com/video/3OSlI7PZCXI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=VillainoftheStory
Knowing what I know now - th-cam.com/video/0s4ONtTxrWc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=DisneyMusicVEVO (Pitched)
gosh dang it disney
Not on topic but your versions of the songs were so good!
Your videos are what I wish I had time to make
Yeah, about 58 minutes in. Pity they didn't just remove the music. I thought TH-cam had that option, so your commentary could still be preserved.
It gets to the point with copyright claims, like is this really something that you want to claim Disney
Holy fuck, The fact the grandpa lived for 100 years and didn't learn how to play an instrument just hit me like a brick, what the fuck? Did he sit down on his ass for decades doing nothing?
It's implied that losing your wish results in you losing your passion and motivation. That wishes apparently are a part of someone's soul, integral to who they are.
Which is stupid, for a lot of reasons.
My personal favorite being that according to this movie, people are apparently defined by their wants/desires, whatever they may be, and that they can't be fulfilled unless their wish/want is granted in some capacity.
But, yes, this does imply that grandpa didn't bother practicing the lute or learning any inspiring songs for that long.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 something else I noticed about grandpa - this man is 100 years old, unless Magnifico is immortal, it would mean this old man spent at least 50 years (probably even more, since the King looks to be in his 50s and he clearly didn't create Rosas the day he was born) with his wish just walking around or something and doing nothing to make it come true.
By the time grandpa was young there was no Rosas and in which case no reason to learn an instrument since there was no business for instrument. By the time the city created the demand he wasn't in the category of being recruited for the task. Since there was no demand for him to play an instrument there was no passion to learn one since the dream was not to play an instrument and to create an inspiration for a generation.
This is not about dreaming for material. It is about dreaming for the spiritual created around the material success.
People with supercars don't want to own a supercar that they're leased so that it is someone else's problem. If the wish was to come true to own a supercar they would trash the supercar and in such way the wish for the supercar wouldn't be worth the effort. As soon people forget them they need a new wish to save them. The wish of popularity is stronger since it is social security. Humans and animals focus on security higher than survival since security provide food in the future. From this view grandpa didn't wanted to travel an insecure path without support of financial security. He wouldn't have afford for an instrument to begin with.
Make notice Magnifico gives a scissor. He see the risks that if he would give them a whole armada of clothes workers at their disposal they would find a way.
What inspiration and to whom would an old man sing when he lived a time before Magnifico.
@@robertagren9360 I am sorry, but I don’t understand... Rosas isn't the only City in their World right? There must be other places where he could make "something" to inspire, no? Reasons? Maybe his family, his legacy, he must have already be a father by that time, no? This man went at least 50 years of his life doing nothing to fulfill his wish - unless this wasn't his og wish but one he got after Asha was born? There is NO way he lived 50 years of his with no wish, even if it was just to see his family happy or something, if he went 100 years with the same wish but made no effort to fulfill it that is on him. But nothing is explained in the movie and what is explained still doesn't make sense...
The fact that he lived to 100 alone is such a big thing.. the king has a reign so great that people can live a century in perfect health in it
Regarding vague wishes, wasn't that exactly what happened in Brave? A vague wish was granted in unforeseen ways and it backfired big time, almost ended in a tragedy. And Merida's predecessor who made the same mistake before her, did end his life tragically: spent probably centuries as a mindless beast and had to be put out of his misery at the end. Magnifico was absolutely correct.
that is literally what happened yes, i don't remember her exact wish but it was something like wanting her mom to leave her alone or something, and it turned into her mom and the predecessor getting turned into a bear, the guy had asked instead to be strong and powerful which yeah, being a bear would technically count!
Yeah, I think her exact phrasing was “I want a spell to change my mom”
Not how she was supposed to change, not what parts to change, just “change”
Honestly I think it would’ve been hilarious to see that wish in one of the orbs, since they love to reference in this movie. It would’ve been the perfect example of a wish so vague it’s bad, just like Asha’s grandfather’s.
This concept of vague wishes was also kinda explored in “Shrek: Forever After”. Shrek makes a deal with Rumpelstiltsken to be viewed as a feared ogre for a day. Shrek unwittingly exchanges the day he was born, which puts him in a parallel universe in which he never existed and Princess Fiona was never rescued.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan the fact that Shrek and Brave, hell, even Puss In Boots, explored the consequences to a wish isn't always a good thing, much better then this movie did treating it like an all good thing 😭😭
Pixar Soul put out that subject as well
Someone needs to make one of those "Magnifico being the only sane and reasonable person in Wish for idk how many minutes" compilation
Surprised they didn't yet
There's a whole Magnifico Lover account on x and ig lol this guy has a big fanbase
This whole movie approves Communism😂
@@Uta_Chandra.HExplain.
@@Uta_Chandra.H eh it's anti-monarchy but it's not really communism.
What really angers me about this film is that Magnifico has PTSD. The one and only mistake he makes is turning to the Evil Book Macguffin™ which he only did out of anxiety and fear because of his PTSD. He's not a villain, not by a longshot.
After Evil Book Macguffin™, he ceases to be Magnifico. He's a completely different character, he's the evil within the book puppeting his body. HE IS A VICTIM.
At no point does anyone try to save him, the best we get is a throwaway line saying "well according to this book he can't be saved, oh well moving on". His own wife is not upset by this. They don't even try, THEY HAVE A STAR WHO GRANTS WISHES WITH NO RESTRICTIONS OR LIMITATIONS, why didn't they use it? Magnifico deserved so much better.
And once he was in the mirror, he was mostly back to himself. He _begged_ his wife-who he loved for years- to let him out. But she just Chucks him into the dungeon for probably decades, forced to serve people for eternity. He deserves so much better I swear.
The most optimistic I can be about his wife being so blase about Magnifico's fate is thinking it's a writing error, namely that that's a leftover bit from the drafts where the queen was also evil and so would reasonably just toss aside her husband like that.
If it isn't, though... that is either terrible character writing or a troubling insight on the writers' views of marriage.
@@wooperfan584So they redeemed the big guy even though he betrayed them by his own volition
But once magnificos cursed was removed they decided to leave him in the mirror?
@@tirramasu7948 I guess so. Because in the end, he didn't seem as psychotic. I think the curse broke, but that's just a theory.
A FILM THEORY-
Honestly even though I don’t think he should’ve been left in the mirror I wouldn’t call him a total victim. The best way I can explain the way I think of it is drunk driving. Even though you don’t intend to hurt anybody, you know driving under the influence is dangerous and can cause harm to you and those around you but if you choose to do it regardless it is technically your fault, at least in the eyes of the law. He was aware already that the book had evil magic and shouldn’t be used but decided to use it anyways, I understand why he would but at the same time he chose to do so, so calling him just a victim doesn’t sound right, at least not to me. I think he definitely deserved to be redeemed though instead of just tossed out literally and figuratively.
In the book version of the movie, there's a powerful line from Magnifico. It's when he captures Star and asks something along the lines of ''Where were you when I needed you? What makes the girl so special?''
To think Magnifico could've been handled way better if they explored that considering the backstory we got for him. Just imagine a young Magnifico who just saw his home destroyed and family killed desperately wishing on a star to make everything ok...only it never comes.
WELL OUCH I FELT THAT
It sounds like something that may have been a part of the original script, and was deleted. Why they would REMOVE nuance and complexity from his character is beyond me. They really should have retooled him into a morally grey antagonist, rather than the black-and-white irredeemable villain role they forced onto him.
Just make two villains! Have one be a morally gray redeemed villain turned mentor and one 100% evil villain.@@horrorchick_8413
That’s a good line, if only we got to see Magnifico fleshed out like that if he was meant to be a nuanced, multilayered antagonist. It really does seem like everything deleted from the movie would have improved it. :/
A movie that was meant to celebrate Disney's 100 years of existence turning out to be so lackluster sounds like a joke the Simpsons would have made back during their golden era.
The fact it got overshadowed by Troll Band Together and Leo it even more embarrassing. Imagine releasing a film to celebrate your 100th anniversary only to loses to a sequel of a sequel jukebox musical/comedy about good luck troll dolls and an Adam Sandler's musical.
For a million dollar movie, it feels like a B- movie from the bottom of the barrel at Walmart. Atleast stories in the Barbie movies made sense but what i get from Wish is the complete opposite of Disney. They hurl in stereotypes or generic elements for the sake of pop culture sales
...and maybe would do even today if not owned by that greedy rat.
Someone said they should've made a 3rd Fantasia film and now I'm wishing they did that instead.
That or an actual 2D animated movie.
I feel bad for the artists having such garbage to work with. They tried their best.
Why wasn’t King Magnifico the PROTAGONIST
The same reason Max Lord wasn't the protagonist in Wonder Woman 1984, because he's supposed to be the villain despite being more relatable. Both are bad movies involving wishes (with Chris Pine) with a selfish woman as the "hero".
i don't know.
What would you do to fix these movies?
Reversed Aladdin.
You want the star but who has the power you or the star?
He has an entire fan base online defending him, he ended up being the protagonist lol
I think have an addiction to watching people absolutely dunk on this movie specifically
Same
Same here lol
i feel you
Ditto
"was that the wish of '87?" killed me
My friends come out with absolute bangers it's amazing 🤣
🤣😂😹.
@@mangawriter* I realize that Wish is about Africa. Think about it, the poorest nations are the most religious waiting for some kind of messiah to save them instead of working hard to create a functional nation withconcrete systems to punish criminals and suport actual good leaders. Africa has the WORST leaders because people just too lazy to kick them out
The woman behind.. uhh.... I don't have any ideas. Does anyone have good ideas?
@@maliahwellknownsecondchann4139Unnecessary revolution?
She didn't even want the apprenticeship job because she was passionate about learning magic, she literally just wanted a favor from the king. Like, the king and queen don't have a kid so for all we know his apprentice was going to be the future ruler. He was offering her future QUEENHOOD and MAGICAL ABILITIES, but Asha was just like 'um, give me the wish I want now please even though I've literally only been here a few minutes'. He shouldn't have hired her in the first place, but he was well within his right to fire her the way he did. And doing it more publicly might stop others unworthy of the apprenticeship from applying.
That was honestly Magnifico's most sympathetic moment, even within how the movie wants to frame him. How his tone falls as he realizes Asha is no different than any of the others who just wanted to use him for themselves, just less patient about it... I felt that.
In defense of the movie, she never said WHY she wanted to become her apprentice. She just... wanted it lol
Watching the movie I thought she was thinking a lot about her grandpa only because it was his 100th birthday and it would have been cute to give him his wish that day (+ he is 100 years old. You don't know how much time he has still. I think I would have had her same urgency on granting his wish...).
But, now that you mention that, it would have been SO CUTE watching her wishing on doing magic and then watching Starboy granting her her wish...
This. There was genuine hurt in his face when he poured his heart out for her, told her that his own fondest desire is to find someone who wants nothing more than to be a worthy successor, a wish he cannot grant for himself, looks at her in hope and she just turns around and begs for a freebie.
On day one.
Damn girl, at least PRETEND to want to help the man out for a bit before you ask him to give you stuff.
The audacity for her to lecture him on what to do or not to do with the wishes when she didn't even get the entry course for how wishes behave, what having them granted or losing them actually does to people, how the magic works and what unintended consequences to look out for is also astonishing.
She has absolutely zero knowledge of how his magic works internally. For all she knows this is a Wishmaster situation and the magic tries to twist the wishes into something horrible and Magnifico can only grant the ones that he can force to be benign.
Maybe they require a lot of magic to grant - magic Magnifico draws from holding onto the other wishes.
Maybe giving the wishes back does something to people.
She knows nothing because she didn't even have the decency to work with him for an hour before telling him how it SHOULD work.
This is like me starting out as an intern at Google, having a personal audience with Bill Gates, having him show me his vision for what should happen to Microsoft in the future, him handing me the perfect cue to become his literal successor and instead turning around to ask if I can have free CD keys to hook up my family, then lecturing him on why requiring a CD key for advanced functions of the software is immoral and how data should be free.
Honestly, the only good thing Asha said was,'There should be a system for wishes' Like some wishes should be granted but then it gets ruined by the movie because now Asha wants all wishes to be granted which...omg...I love how Magnifico was the sensible one in the movie when he's trying to be Maleficient basically. His turn around from "All wishes should not be just granted" to "Alright, I need more power" Honestly, one route of this movie could've been, "Ok, if all wishes should be granted, then fine, all wishes granted." Or only doing the bad wishes to show how far the spectrum of wishes go. Something!!
I wish we can save or personally pin TH-cam comments. This entire comment thread is just yes
Magnifico has grey hair, yet he and his wife don't seem to have a child... He must've REALLY been stressed out.
Ruling a kingdom does that.
He's been putting up with everyone's selfishness and entitlement for DECADES. 30+ years of his subjects doing nothing but demanding things from him. That'd turn anyone grey.
Imagine if the creators had made Asha the king and queen’s daughter. That would definitely make his hair grey, too.
@@SweetOrangeGirl I wish they did, it would definitely explain her naivety a lot more if she were
Brutha became a genie after his home place being attacked and burned down, of course he stressed oht
I literally get pissed off thinking about the movie since its original concepts were way more interesting 😭
You know Disney screwed the pooch when literally ALL the fanworks around a movie are based on the scrapped CONCEPT ART.
@@Crazyashley42 the only art I've seen of Wish that was part of the canon was a bunch of pieces of Magnifico and his wife Amaya lmao
From the star originally taking on the form of a glowing magical boy and developing a romance with Asha, to Magnifico and Amaya being one of Disney’s first true Villain couples, there was a lot.
There was another scrapped concept where when Asha and her family escape to the island, they find a village of people who still have their wishes. Writing them on a tree and hanging the small papers on the branches and her grandfather giving her advice such as not needing someone to grant your wish for you. (And then he dies in a Disney fashion) but it would’ve made Magnifico a villain that we could’ve wanted. Someone who was an actual threat or perhaps blinded by his attempts at protecting his people. That it causes a small group to escape a possibly corrupt land and try to work towards their goals for peace and freedom, away from a dystopia disguised as a utopia. (Maybe those who didn’t give Magnifico their wishes, they would be seen as threats or something for questioning him) SEE THAT WAS BASICALLY IN THE CONCEPTS!!!
Fr I just watched a deleted scene on TH-cam and it was basically Asha riding the star who transformed into a horse and the evil queen confronts them in the woods. A little bit predictable but it really reminded me of classic Disney.
The citizens of Rosas are basically the seagulls from Finding Nemo. “Mine. Mine. Mine.”
Or the bratty Salt girl from the 1970’s Willy Wonka movie who sings about “I want it all”. She went down the garbage shoot with her dad. 😁
Tho, I feel like the seagulls are less braindead...
@@andre_601 Lol. You might be right.
😂
The people of Rosas are basically how Disney execs see millennials and zoomers: "me, me, me".
It's really weird because since The princess and the frog, I thought Disney answered what "whishing upon a star" means. It means keeping hope. As long as you wish upon a star, it means you believe your dream can become true.
When Lottie wished upon a star to make the prince comes, she waited a few more moments by wishing and the prince appears. Not because the star is magic, but because she waited. When Tiana wished because she's desperate, Naveen ses her and thinks she's a princess and they meet, leading to the whole story. The star didn't give Tiana her restaurant, all Tiana's work did. And wishing to a star was the symbole of her hope that something good happens to her.
When every characters wished upon a star, none of them were granted their wish. They just hoped long enough to be able to work to make their dreams come true. Even Cinderella hadn't been just her wish granted! She had to be brave and rebeled herself against her abusers to be able to be with the prince.
What about Asha? Asha tried to cheat the system, went mad when her entitlement didn't grant her what she wanted, had a tantrum, wish upon a star instead of trying anything else and was rewarded with a marketable plushie which gives her everything she wants. This is like an anti-disney, a parodie.
Princess and the Frog also rather directly teaches that life isn't just about getting what you want, and that what you want and what you need can be - and often are - very different things.
Naveen thought he needed a new rich family to squeeze into, what he needed was to grow up and start learning independence and responsibility. Tiana thought she needed accomplishments and success, what she needed was a reminder that love and the ability to enjoy life was important too. Facilier's villainy and downfall came partly from focusing on base desires/wants, never learning the value of love or helping people or personal responsibility, always wanting the easy way to greatness... and also making devil pacts, but that's not important now.
Contrast that with Wish, where people's wishes - aka, what they *want* - is treated as this essential trait of who they are as persons. That they need their dream or desire or whatever to feel some sense of fulfillment in their lives. That life isn't worth living unless you get or are working towards what you *want.*
From what I can tell, Sabina seems pretty chipper and well-lived for someone who supposedly never got his wish granted (especially living a matter of decades beyond standard medieval life expectancy). That could have been a chance to have a similar moral: maybe when he gets his wish returned, he's happy to remember it, but realizes that he had a good life he can be thankful for even without having been granted or accomplishing the wish.
... I might be ripping off Up there too, but that just goes to show this can be handled a hundred better ways than Wish did.
And mushrooms
The movie also showed that trying to take the easy/free way may not help either. Life won't just hand you everything. It's why they both got turned to frogs in the first place. Naveen getting coerced with the voodoo prophecy and Tiana basically trying to take a bribe for her goals, both the. While neither of them are terrible people for the choice, it was a "if it looks to good to be true" moment.
The Princess & The Frog could do with a couple rewrites, but the themes are leagues above…whatever this is
I genuinely wish the princess and the frog focused solely on Tianna's career/dream and not on the frog sidequest.
Even as a kid, I found the whole frog/swamp thing REALLY boring because it just became like every other kids movie or wacky animal hijinx.
Moana's moral: do your best to find happiness where you are and improve the lives of those around you.
Wish's moral: get your wish or die
I think it's weird how Wish was to exemplify the general theme of almost every Disney film in how every character has a wish or desire because those characters didn't just want something, they had to actively earn it. They couldn't just have what they wanted immediately or at least in the way they wanted.
Fuck Wish's Message! Moana's Message is better.
You know it’s a bad sign when Disney’s 100 year anniversary movie is beaten out critically by an animated Adam Sandler movie.
Leo was actually good.
I think the day Disney died is when they turned down the chance to release Nimona under their name. In hindsight I'm actually really thankful that Disney decided to be homophobic, if the main character's boyfriend happened to be a girlfriend they would have jumped all over that shit and people would be praising DISNEY for the well written character chemistry between the two leads. I'm glad that they didn't get to take credit (also money, which they surely would have used to fund more shallow crap like Wish). It's so ironic because they try so hard to come off as progressive by having a "diverse cast of characters" in Wish, but they turned down Nimona. Disney is an insult to conservatives and liberals alike.
@@DSS712 honestly, it feels like Disney is trying so hard to appear woke and progressive, but is too conservative to actually fully commit.
@@DSS712harsh
It's also a bad sign when not only was their Once Upon a Studio short a more sincere tribute to Disney's history than a 2 hour movie, but Studio MDHR released the Cuphead DLC the year before and it ended up being the best classic Disney film that isn't.
I will never get over the fucking "Watch out world here I are" said confidently by bambi for no fucking reason.
I feel he should’ve pronounced “am” as “ahm” as if it was in the 40’s. It would have been ridiculous sure, but GRAMMAR NAZI ALERT!
Honestly, if "I'm a Star" were more of a self-aware comedy song, I think it could work as a rhyme subversion. Like Olaf's puddle line from "In Summer".
But one of the issues with the lyrics in the movie (one of their many, many issues) is that their tone is all over the place. Are they inspired by classic Broadway, modern pop, rapidfire Lin Manuel Miranda, or self-aware Tom Lehrer? All four feel out of place because they're inconsistent with the other three.
@@YotYotFive Yes i noticed that. Honestly if we're really overanalyzing this kinda does feel like AI (not assuming it is tho). It just takes concepts of famous or well known disney classics and shoves it all together with not much thinking required. And it's pretty much like that with the whole movie
Someone in the comments of RaisorBlade's video on how he'd retool Wish (primarily focusing on Asha and Starboy--lovingly named Aster by the fandom--as a Disney romance) suggested for his proposal of remaking I'm A Star as a montage of the couple exploring Rosas and helping the people work on making their wishes come true that the line be given to Aster in the context of him not having the greatest grasp on English and mixing up words due to only observing the people from afar. If they did that, it would turn "Look out world, here I are!" from a cringey line into a charming one.
@@MagmaPaint Holy shit i'd love that. so. much.
Magnifico was legitimately a hero.
Small rewrite because why not:
I think it would have been much more interesting if Asha actually was listening to Magnifico when he asked for an apprentice and then felt torn. She has to decide whether to grant her king's wish or her father's wish. Then she decides to try and grant her king's wish as thanks. She tells her father that she is going to get his wish granted and he is constantly celebrating that he's going to get his wish when she can't tell him that she didn't ask for it.
Then at the wish granting ceremony he doesn't get his wish and confronts her. She gets very conflicted and opens up to Magnifico about the difficulties that she's having. Then you can show Magnifico struggling with his disappointment in his people and Asha for even thinking of asking and pride that his apprentice is asking for his help.
Then you can have an interesting discussion about whether Magnifico is enabling his people by granting their wishes in the first place. Maybe he is wrong to have started the wish granting ceremony all those years ago and he regrets it, but can't figure out how to stop it. Then he decides that he has to end the wish granting ceremony and decides to give back everyone's wishes. The people are pissed, because that's not how this work, but then Asha comes out and defends his actions. Then you can get a montage/song where everyone is making small progress towards their wishes, mostly failing but still working towards them.
This one is great
you forgot her father died years ago and is shown in a backstory when magnifico knows her father before he passed and her grandfather's the one who's alive
Ooo, or even better: she says she'll grant the King's wish, but during the ceremony she makes a snap decision and grants her granddad's instead. Drama ensues.
I've seen several suggestions about how to make the movie better and they're all so much better than what disney dumped on us
With that set up you could make Asha’s grandpa the villain. A spoiled brat who did nothing with his life and waited for someone else to give him what he wants and when the King decides to end the ceremony he ends up starting a rebellion and takes the kingdom by force with a mob of other people: mostly rejected apprentice candidates and and people over 40 (since they would’ve waited the longest). Then maybe that’s when Star comes around as a manifestation of rampant want and greed disguised as a cute wishing star aiding Sabino in his rule as now that he is effectively king they all start to worship Star as the new wish granting God. So now it’s Asha, her mom, Amaya, and Magnífico against a taken kingdom. Magnífico would probably be nerfed after the kingdom was taken over for one reason or another but over the story he gradually teaches Asha and the others basic magic. When they eventually get to the kingdom it would look like something out of Wonderland as the conflicting logic of some of the wishes clashes and warps the world leaving the citizens satisfied but crazy, apathetic, fat, and looking something from a Picasso painting with warped features. So when they eventually storm the castle with an army of her friends, family, and Magnífico they would see what would have become of Sabino. He would have wished to become as young as a child, so he could relive his youth and would have also wished to be the most powerful sorcerer in the land and Star would have grown fat and more animal like. It would then be revealed that Star was a sealed away monster that warped the world at the whims of anyone who wished for its power but due to the efforts of Magnifico and other magicians they sealed it away by scattering it amongst the night sky. So now it’s a battle against Sabino and Star. Eventually they win but the entire kingdom has to move somewhere else as the island had become too warped because of Star and Sabino. Finishing off with a lesson of taking your life into hands and not waiting for someone to grant your wishes because usually there’s always a price to pay.
References made with this one:
The three fairies= Asha, Amaya, Asha’s Mom
Peter Pan= Sabino
Wonderland= Warped Rosas
The Mob that invades the Beats Castle= The mob that Invades Magnífico castle
Elsa, Ien cent, Maleficent, Jafar, Ursula= The Magicians that sealed away Star
Disneyland= The New Kingdom that everyone lives at after they leave the island
Disney: releases Wish
DreamWorks and Illumination: now we throw back our heads in laughter.
"Ready?"
"READY!"
Studio Ghibli: Am I a joke to you?
That was pretty much my reaction when “Wish” deservedly did not get nominated at the Oscars or Annie Awards, and rightfully lost to “The Boy And The Heron” at the Golden Globes. I would love to see a video of that meme with “Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse”, “Nimona”, and “The Boy And The Heron” superimposed on the heads of the characters laughing.
@@BirdsandGhibliFanAnd now Ghibli has won its second award! How Do You Live? won best animated film at the Oscars. 😁
Even Sony would roll back their heads in laughter
You know Dreamworks did something similar to this in Puss in Boots last wish, and that film did everything miles better that wish couldnt have done
i think the problem is that the last wish shows how you should live to the fullest and appreciate what you have instead of trying to magically fix everything, so they're showing how the magic of wishes is actually pretty bad or at least something you don't really need to be happy, while wish tried so hard to lean into the whimsical old disney magic that they didn't understand their own premise and how flawed it was. which the fact that it's about wishes at all bothers me SO much, because what they wanted here was to talk about DREAMS, not wishes. it should've been a movie about dreams, which would be way more in line with the disney nostalgia they wanted to play into, so i cannot for the life of me understand why they based the movie around wishes
That movie also acknowledged the existence of bad wishes you would never want to have come true like Jack Horner conquering the world by taking all the magic for himself.
"Is that so much?"
"YES!"
"Agree to disagree!"
Did you forgot about Animaniacs Wakko’s Wish?
Wat other say Shrek & Brave movie also did a concept about wishing but what you wish is not wat you get or knowing what you wish can be something diffrent wat you wanted.
In Shrek I belive it was about him turning I to a human for Fiona but it almost ruined him ..? If I remember it
Meanwhile in Brave the wish you wanted Chanced I to something different, like how Merida ( idk how spell her name now) wishes her mother be chanced. In her view she just wishes her mother was bit more free or open or kind toward her/her idea... but the wishes turned her in a literky Bear
Bruh, imagine Jack Horder from Puss In Boots meet Asha. I believe she'll grant his wish and it will be a humanity's doom
What gets my goat (pun intended) is that the grandfather’s wish of inspiring the next generation could have easily been granted. By Asha. Literally all she had to do was tell her grampa that she saw his wish and that it was to be an inspiration and that he had always inspired her. Simplicity itself, no magic needed. It would have set up a message that if you live your best life and help others you don’t need to rely on winning the wish lottery.
I saw that on a comment in another video. Magnifico replies to Asha's request with "He has you. You will inspire the people to work for their wishes themselves" or something along those lines, and someone jokingly replied that Asha says "That's a dumb way to grant it"
That could have been a great plot point. Asha grants Zaba's wish and Magnifico notices the wish sphere glowing then exploding and dispersing energy... That's why he feels threatened, someone else has the power to grant wishes... Is insane how you can write BS like this and it would be better than we got haha
@@Hdx64 Yeah, that’s way better. Magnifico could have either went full villain because he was losing the power he had over the people by using the magic of their wishes and turning them into his wish junkies OR he could have learned a lesson of not being able to keep people safe and happy by controlling everything and had a redemption arc. I think it would have been awesome if there was some kind of magic malfunction and the people would have used the power of the wishing star to save their king even if it cost all the magic in the kingdom or something. There are thousands of scenarios that could have made Wish a more palatable story.
worst part is that mag gave her the opportunity to fulfill both of their wishes(his and her grandpa's) and she crapped on it two seconds in
magnifico gets a worthy successor who can change how wishes are granted while still keeping a cautious undertone to keep the more dangerous wishes from collapsing the kingdom
grandpa gets his wish by nature of telling asha his wish he gets what he wished for because asha could inspire the people chase their dreams without relying on the magic
literally she just had to accept the position and follow through with some minor alterations
@@CrazyGamebino YES
"I let you live here for free and I don't even charge you rent."
It’s such an annoying line, could have changed rent to “A Fee”
"peep the name I'm magnificent! :D"
This movie should scare Governments in every state. Lol
@@polkaking237 Or here, let me try:
"I'd let you live here for free, and I have never once charged you rent"
I let you live for free and I let you live for free
The single fact that the movie has Magnifico say OUT LOUD that he had no idea the wishes could give him power completely undermines their whole "he was bad the whole time" BS. Someone who was truly power hungry or selfish would have discovered far earlier that absorbing wishes would grant you power because he would surely have experimented with what using the wishes for himself does when he first started taking them. Instead, all we literally see him do with them is remove them with consent and then keep every single one of them so safe he doesn't even realize that they can be used to power himself up. But I'm supposed to believe he was bad the whole time? And then of course they pull a Magneto (you know where it goes from "Magneto was right actually" to "oh he wants to commit genocide now, well that definitely makes him a bad guy") and have the book corrupt him so the whole question of whether he's good or bad doesn't matter anymore because the book made him bad anyway.
There's a quote I love that explains Magneto perfectly. I forget who said it, but it goes: "Professor X is Martin Luther King Jr, Magneto is Malcolm X".
Magneto was never the bad guy. Like Malcolm, he was right about society. No amount of peaceful protesting got the white majority to vote for civil rights, it was the riots that directly led to the passing of the 14th and 15th amendments. Magneto'd simply had enough of his brother coercing mutants to hide in the shadows, to suppress their very identities for the sake of protecting the status quo. To protect the sensibilities of people who HATED them.
He just wanted to be able to live in the sun.
And if he was addicted to power but didn't know wishes were the source, he'd be doing other things to try and get his fix, which we aren't shown him to be doing. The only area of even the slightest level of questionable ground is the wish/magic of it. He isn't shown to be keeping his keeping his people poor and pliable, nor is he demanding tribute.
Exactly! The worst thing they showed was that he was maybe a bit too arrogant but he was a king of a peaceful, thriving, successful kingdom that he created from the ground up. Also, they showed ONE person being "depressed" because their Wish got taken, everyone else was fine and happy and singing, so they failed at that part too.@@teresar6348
@@WobblesandBeangenocide is still genocide. The same way Killmonger might have been right but a race war is still a race war. Personally I think anyone that can look at a child and shoot them in the face because “it’s what has to be done” is a villain
Dude!! Even if he was bothered by Asha asking him, he DID consider looking at the wish to see if it was a good wish to grant. Magnifico was done dirty haha and I agreed with him the whole freaking movie haha😂
"My heart knows this feeling...
This is entitlement."
As someone who has horrible anxiety and has suffered panic attacks how they portray Magnifico is down right disgusting to me. They demonize this man who was TRIGGERED into panicked anxiety turning him into a bat crazy villain. And you SEE the trigger. You literally SEE it. Not ALL panic attacks are like the ones in Puss in Boots. Sometimes the trigger can be more subtle. Like myself for instance. There is a certain song I can NOT listen to or it makes me physically ill. It reminds me of someone who hurt me.
In the movie we see this trigger. It's when the star colors the sky in orange. What does that orange LOOK LIKE? What can it look like? Fire. What happened to Magnifico's former kingdom? It was consumed in fire. The man is literally having a PTSD induced panic attack. Leave it to Disney to completely demonize mental health on top of everything. Because people with mental health issues don't have a hard enough time. The way they portray someone with PTSD in this movie is down right HARMFUL to people who suffer from not only PTSD but anxiety and panic disorders. Down right horrid.
And it’s not even *just* the explicit trigger of fire. It’s the pressure of a kingdom put down upon one man, the pressure of people who want what they want. Magnifico knows he’s the only one strong enough to grant them their wishes- but he’s torn between helping everyone like a selfless person who wants to please, and doing what’s best for Rosas and only granting certain wishes. The pressure and anxiety of that gets to people after a certain point, and it’s evident that Magnifico has dealt with this for a while.
They could’ve done so much with him. They could’ve explored his past, what made him into someone who wanted to help people so much that he sacrificed everything and was ready to turn to dark magic to get that. He already lost everything once, and it’s evident that he thinks he’ll lose it again if he doesn’t do everything perfectly. It leads to such a compelling story where you can’t hate the ‘villain’, because he’s *not* a villain. He’s someone painted in a bad light to make the protagonist seem like a good guy, when in reality, Magnifico is just suffering from severe anxiety and PTSD over losing everything and then being put in a ruling position where one wrong move can cause horrific consequences. He grants the wrong wish, and everything comes crumbling down, and it’ll be his own fault. I’ll never get over the wasted potential of him.
omg i relate to this so much. Before getting treatment, I used to have debilitating anxiety attacks that made me feel paralyzed. I would literally be on the floor not able to move my legs, and sometimes the triggers were so subtle that I didn't even notice them. Anxiety can be a hell of a beast, I wish they'd explored that topic better
It's really not talked about enough how Disney actively goes out of their way to perpetuate stigmas as much as possible.
Ashas mindset on wishes is like when Bruce in Bruce Allmighty pressed yes to answer all the prayers in the world.
Except Bruce actually learns his lesson in the end.
@@mehnah5033Nah dude "Just keep wishing" y'know? 😂
I love Bruce Almighty. Such a good movie.
All this could've been avoided if Asha's grandad was more specific. Come on dude! This is your one and only chance to get your wish granted and you asked for ''something''?
Let's make a list of why this movie could never happen:
- It's not like a genie or other wishing MacGuffin. Everybody knows Magnifico makes wishes come true, so I don't think they would ask for something Magnifico would not like, for example ''I wish to be the king of Rosas.'' or ''I want Amaya to be my wife.''.
- Given it's a PUBLIC ceremony I doubt anybody would wish for a medieval equivalent of a Play Boy collection. With this kind of system, everybody would make pretty ''tame'' wishes so there never would've been a ''too dangerous'' wish.
- Given Magnifico's personality, like when he talked with Asha at the beginning and how he talks to his people when they gather I think he would just tell somebody ''This wish is too vague. Can you rephrase it better?'''
- Does everybody have only one wish? As Tangled told us they should go find another dream if they didn't have multiple already.
- No one tried to go around the forgetting spell by just writing down what they wished for?
- And if everybody in the kingdom is illiterate (they're not) they never told anybody what their wish is? ''Hey, Saimon, you wished to be a knight right?''
The plot of the movie is broken. You need to start over to fix it.
P.S. Justice for Magnifico. We need fix-it fics to make him a great character he could've been, a hero, a villain, or something in between. I need on where he goes nuclear on the ungrateful citizens of Rosas. Thank you.
In an early draft, there was a workaround to the forgetting spell; people wrote their wishes on ribbons and tied them to the olive tree Asha makes her wish on.
There are a few potential fixes I can already think of... not that that's hard in this movie.
Regarding the request itself and her questioning of the system:
- When she's wondering why Magnifico won't grant a wish he thinks is 'too vague', he could turn that into her first lesson on wish-granting magic. He could pull out her goat flip book from earlier and tell her "When you made this, did you just think 'oh, I want to make something cute', or 'I want to make something funny'? I imagine not, I think you started with that idea, then narrowed it down to being something about a goat, then you decided you wanted to make pictures of it hopping, then took the... however long, an hour or two by the look of it, to draw it out." *gives book back* "Wish granting magic works similarly. I need a goal, something concrete, that my magic can manifest. An idea like 'inspire people' or 'bring happiness' is too abstract, there's nothing for me to really grasp and create."
Which would give a similar lesson to Princess and the Frog, and a very good one: that if you want to accomplish something or make your dreams come true, just wishing isn't enough; you need a plan, with attainable goals to reach and work towards, to make it happen.
- Or going for the middle ground approach, part of the reason he refuses to grant that wish could be something along the lines of: "Giving him the ability to inspire people through his music? Regardless of what he wants to inspire them to do, that's skirting dangerously close to mind control; and that's not the kind of power people should have, definitely not one to give out so haphazardly."
Which could come into play a little bit later on, when he puts a mind control enchantment on Simon, showing he's descended into full on villainy by going back on a previously established principle.
Here's another problem: Grandad making that wish makes no sense. Imagine being an old man, in yours 70s at the youngest, and you have your once in a lifetime chance to make a wish to an all-powerful wizard king. I can understand that you might not wish for material possessions at that point. I can understand how one of your greatest concerns might be the legacy you leave behind. But why would you make a wish for something you can do on your own? Something you've probably already done in your 70 years on this on earth. And why would you do this knowing you'll forget you wanted to do it after you give up the wish. I have to assume Grandad is very unintelligent in order to make sense of this.
@@jonathandunston6816 Wish is a type of movie where everybody is an idiot for the sake of the plot or a joke. Even smart characters like Magnifico or Asha's friend Red (Don't know her name.) do stupid things to move the plot along. Maybe, Magnifico, instead of just screaming at them to stop singing just shut them up with your green magic hands.
The only way it works is for Magnifico to have inherited the system and kingdom, letting Sabino give away his wish at a younger age.@@jonathandunston6816
worth noting : once Magnifico takes their wish , they FORGET it. I feel like it's a cheap ploy to keep people from thinking about how demanding the people of Rosa are. How they put pressure on him to solve their problems. The ending is such a as-pull.
"Your wish is your SOUL! It's the most important part of who you are, it's irreplaceable!"
Literally everyone: **casually makes a new wish right there on the spot**
It also removes their agency. The introduction of the movie pretty much reveals they know what will happen if they give away their wish, which they can only do once they are legal adults. It really seems as if they don’t want to face that it was their decision that lead them to this, not Magnifico's. He only gave them a choice.
I find myself wondering if that detail works with, or against the obsession they have with getting their wishes. Since they have no idea what it is... but that could make it anything. But then, I also feel they mix up wish and ambition.
Am I the only one who thinks Wish contradicts alot of the 'let dreams go and live in the present' message recent Disney and Pixar films have created? Like Soul? That's a great film!
The fact that giving up the wish is voluntary completely takes away any sympathy I have for the people here. You were told EXACTLY what would happen if you gave up your wish for the CHANCE of it being granted.
Something else I found about Magnifico as a villain is that even when evil took over, he still never wanted to harm his people. Of course that's just because Disney's too scared to actually feature death anymore, but when Magnifico turned evil he only destroyed wishes. Instead of killing his people because they questioned him and his practices, he just crushed their wishes which was the only thing that was on their minds. IMO, I saw it as him feeling like if he could get rid of these Wishes, he can finally get them to open their eyes that their wish wasn't everything, they're living in an actual utopia with no worries than "WAAHHH MY WISH WONT BE GRANTED THIS YEAR!!."
exactly! like frollo from hunchback of notre dame did more heinous things to other human beings in the first 5 minutes of the film than magnifico did when he supposedly turned "evil". and frollo didn't even have magic powers.
@@evamariegapulan3510 You know this man ain't a villain when a freaking lion is far more villainous than a powerful, wish granting sorcerer king.
He totes was like "Since wishes are ALL you entitled little brats care about and you can't even lift a finger to help me protect this kingdom after everything I have done for you, now here's my new ceremony for you, one which you truly deserve HAH!". That's more like a fed up spouse or a parent (of adult children) lol, someone who doesn't really want to hurt the person but their addiction, like smashing a game console of someone playing it 24/7. It's a slap on the wrist compared to some actually truly villainous Disney villains. Yes, Magnifico might have partly enabled this behavior by allowing his people to depend on him but it's unfair to put all the blame on his shoulders... like this stupid movie does.
Thorough the story Magnifico has been proven that his people don't TRULY respect him as a leader and a person. His wife tells him: "They adore you, they'd do anything for you." but as we all know now that is not the case. They only 'adore him' because of what he can do to benefit them and when a moment rises in which he, for once, needs their help they practically ignore him. We see this with Asha who didn't even listen when he was opening up about his dreams, instead asking him for a favor. You can see the genuine hurt/frustration on his expressions and his line: "Most people wait at least a few months or even a year to start asking me for things." very strongly implies this has happened several times before. It must have been extra disappointing for him now because he really seemed to bond with Asha to a point he felt comfortable enough to reveal more, only for her to do this. But when it gets REALLY highlighted is when his Kingdom is actually threatened for the first time and he asks his people for help and all they care about is their wish granting ceremonies. Like, ugh, if I was him I too would feel like smashing their stupid freaking wishes. Even without an evil book corrupting me.
Wish is literally wishing it was literally all the previous (and better) movies. Nimona is what Wish will never be. Nimona has depth. And Wish is.... wasted potential.
Or even Puss In Boots 2, it had the same concept of wishes and did it a million times better, so better in fact, that none of the characters needed the magic of the wishing star to get their wishes granted, they already made them come true, all by themselves!
@@inactivehorse9753 except for Jack Horner.🤣 He's sooo tragic. You know, he never had much as a kid. Just loving parents, stability, a mansion, and a thriving baked goods enterprise for him to inherit. Useless crap like that. Reminds me a bit like the people in Rosas. Sure they don't have mansions or baked goods enterprises but they do live in such a peaceful kingdom. And none of them had to pay rent!
Even sticking with Disney, Encanto was 1000% better than Wish
What about Boy and the Heron?
Nimona is AMAZING
Imagine a slower “This is The Thanks I Get” that grows more and more intense the angrier he gets. Frustration is boiling over and that cursed book is calling him, drawing inspiration from Maleficent’s spell calling Aurora up until he accepts its siren call.
I love how people are still making these Wish fail videos. They never get old.
It’s a sad symptom of current Disney in that they’re messing up the original concepts of films very poorly and have people no joke wishing for the dropped product.
Think back to people creating all those essays on why the realistic cgi and many other failings of the lion king remake exist. Disney is in such a rut that they’re spawning many disappointed fans and normies to create videos on why these current projects suck
Magnifico’s logic makes more sense by the minute seriously bro. The theme of wish-granting is full of nuances to explore, a ‘bad wish’ isn’t just a threat to the peace of Rosas (still it makes sense it’s the first thing Magnifico describes as a bad wish, he’s probably a war refugee) a bad wish can also be one that’s hurtful to the wishing, what if my wish is to indulge in literal sin? What if my wish is to eat sweets everyday, make someone who rejected me fall for me, become rich without working, take revenge for petty reasons, make people forget of a crime I committed? Magnifico isn’t king just because he’s the founder he is because he’d have all kinds of noble reasons to deny some wishes, while they’d be greedy in his place. At the end of the day we could say this movie is about human nature but the morals are bleeding out on the floor.
She talks to mushrooms
And given everything in the workshop, and basically every fleshed out magic system: Magic is neither free nor instant. It will cost materials or maybe even your own energy, or a sacrifice of another kind. It also likely takes time. How many people are in this kingdom? You can't tell me there are only a dozen people per age group in a realistic kingdom. Also he is actively looking to check ethical cases. How long does that take? Is this him basically looking at every alt universe path the person can take after this or is he forced to watch their entire future to make sure they don't wanna go on a murderous rampage? Cause if so, unlike movie convenient time skips, thats gotta take a while.
Sorry for the spam of questions in that argument, but that is a good mirror to how the movie makes ya feel.
Actually, you know what. The tragic villain/antihero Magnifico you so wonderfully analysed is such a powerful and complex character that I have to disagree with the change of making the book a lie. Instead, as the one simple change that could have made all this work, give Asha a moment of realisation. A gut-wrenching shock in the middle of the film where she suddenly realises that she is misguided. So it doesn’t become an unpleasantly didactic story about a delusional teenager, I would maybe add some more actual villainy to Magnifico. That way, it would be a complex and layered story about two generations, the young and the old, learning to respect one another and realise each other’s potential.
Roses and ashes. The spark of a star lit a fire in the park. Asha breathe the fire in vain and goes insane. Magnifico fantastico a fantasy of her own vanquish Asha from the Roses who burns. The order is established again and asha's Ash is scattered over the world giving life to all touched by the stardust. Asha becomes a star and everyone now can see her in the night sky as a reminder that certain wishes goes to heaven where anyone who want a wish can be given by Asha and she will give just as much they ever want.
If Vanellope, Judy Hopps and Raya taught us one thing, it’s that Female Disney Characters don’t have to be quirky, they just need to have flaws that’ll make them likable female confident characters, while also inspiring to young girls without alienating the Women who watches Disney Movies.
I’m a dude, and even I know how to write a Female Disney Character good without making them quirky than Disney themselves.
i don't really find vanellope that likable especially in ralph breaks in the internet
raya was quirky though? Her humor is literally doing “baddie comebacks” every 2 mins. We need to stop acting like “quirky” characters are badly written. It’s badly written when there’s nothing else to the character but that. Moana, mirabel and rapunzel are some of the best written protagonists and have a lot of other traits. Asha IS badly written because she doesn’t feel like a character at all
@@jskywalker58 We're not talking about the sequel though. Obviously that movie ruined her character completely. When someone praises Wreck it Ralph and the characters in the movie, 95% of people are talking only about the first one.
@@lilac3266 yup!
@jamesolszewski3782 John was kicked out while making it. If Lasiter wants hugs...YOU FIRE THE LIBRALS and let him keep printing money.
The only way this movie could be redeemed is if they show in a future movie (not even a sequel to this one, just throw in a reference like someone sailing past the island) that the once thriving kingdom is now in ruins, destroyed by its peoples’ greed, entitlement, and the bad wishes that the movie refused to show.
And as bad Wonder Woman 1984 was, it put forth the concept of "contradicting wishes can and will tear apart society" which should be applied here too. If every wish is granted, there's no avoiding wishes that contradict each other. Mary wishes her family's business grows into a larger company, Darren wishes Mary's family business fails to remove his competitor. What happens then?
@@francreeps4509 2 people wish to be the best at [insert literally anything here]. Now what? Does the person who wish he looks at first get it granted for all but 20 minutes it takes for him to grant the wish. Does the second person have to wait longer solely cause someone else wished for it? Do they both get to live a lie where they THINK they are the best?
So many reasonable issues that not all wishes are granted. Wish for more wishes anyone?
The bad wishes are the reason the other villains exist. And in my head canon Asha doesn’t become the “fairy godmother”. Oh no no no. She becomes Maleficent. And in Kingdom Hearts X which will release 30 years later from now she will be defeated by master Xehanort’s ghost.
I thought about referencing this in a DnD campaign I came up with as a sort of side quest. There's an island in the southeastern part of what's collectively known as No Man's Land where a castle and surrounding village have collapsed and all that remains are ruins and a few clues as to what happened. This would lead to finding the only person left in the area, the former king who was freed from a mirror when the castle collapsed and the village was finished off by the eruptions the party was already investigating in order to find and calm the volcanic frog deity that caused them. He'd tell the party what transpired, the paradise he created, the apprentice that used him, and the mistakes he made just to protect his hard work and the chaos that added insult to injury when he failed and was usurped. His last actions to the party would be gifting them an incredibly rare item that grants one use of the Wish spell and stating that what the party does with it is their decision, but he has no desire to be around for it, leaving them and disappearing to presumably end his own life out of defeat. I dunno, there's already a lot to do in this homebrew setting and the side quest wouldn't have too much of an impact on it.
@@MagmaPaint go for it!
You know something? Manifico (if given the chance) would have been a fantastic REDEEMABLE antagonist.
He has the nuance, the faults, and the good intentions to be a perfectly redeemable villain. Someone who deserves to be listened to, but also to be taught a good lesson.
Or! Manifico could have been the hidden protagonist. All in all? He’s the villain/antagonist character that people ACTUALLY wanted to see. But Disney was tone deaf and too up their butts over money to realize it, so they made a one dimensional antagonist without even realizing the layers that they could have delved into.
Just not as an example of a bad wish like a plague but rather bad wish in terms of free will.
Lets say someone wished for a man or women to love him/her.
If the wish would be granted it would take away the other persons free will to love who they want to love.
Or even worse imagine that person is already married or in a relationship and the wish beeing granted causes the other love to die in a accident just so the person can fall in love with the wisher.
Seriously how in the world is the king a bad person for not granting all wishes.
Even giving that wish back would result in that desire coming back, the results of which... let's just say wouldn't be any better than Magnifico keeping it.
An even worse scenario is the person actually being with the love of their life, their soulmate.. only to suddenly start feeling their emotions drift away from them. Nothing they can do about it, it's like they have no control over their own emotions anymore and they can only watch as their relationship breaks apart in the span of a couple days. And then the wisher comes in, forcing his own affection onto the person and despite having nothing in common, perhaps even hating them, it's impossible to resist. That's downright terrifying tbh
Sweet merciful crap, that would be a terrible sight to see.
@@geministrial950 Jesus fucking Christ
Even Genie had limitations on what wishes he could grant.
As people should be seeing.
Asha, the villain = started a revolution just cuz someone said no
Magnifico, the hero = Did nothing wrong. Just wanted someone to be his apprentice and ask for a little respect but can't even get that cuz of selfish citizens.
I'm not sure how anyone can cheer on Asha and boo Magnifico. They have to not be paying any close attention or catching the red flags that scream who's the REAL villain and who's the REAL hero.
I agree with every bit of criticism mentioned in this video.
Cause they don’t ask questions, they just consume product and then get excited for the next product.
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Magnifico was such a decent guy. . .
To bad Aisha makes him a horrible human being
I would almost like to see a remake/side project of the film just to have him used better.
"almost" as, as of now, it's impossible for Disney to create something decent
For real, Magnifico did nothing wrong. Asha started everything over one wish and for not agreeing with the king's standards.
i wish that asha was the twist villain instead of magnifico
Magnifico was doomed because the real enemy is patriarchy no matter how successful, tolerant, or benign.
That moment when Asha ignores his plea for a worthy apprentice (which is ostensibly the reason she's there) and asks for nepotism really hit me hard.
There's just a second or so where he looks genuinely sad that she'd ignore the duty she volunteered for to ask him for a favour.
That she then goes on to lecture the man who invented wish magic and not only developed but practiced it for decades about how it SHOULD function when she had zero training (such as she would've gotten if she had actually decided to work as an apprentice) or knowledge about the magic other than "you didn't grant my grandpas wish and I'm angry" is just ridiculous to me.
For all we know he could be inept about it. Maybe he's too paranoid. Perhaps he massively overestimates the possible dangers.
Or he could be absolutely right and the wish magic is a Wishmaster/monkey's paw sort of deal where each wish is granted in the most horrific way possible unless Magnifico spends massive amounts of time, skill and magic to wrestle it into something relatively benign.
Maybe he needs the other wishes because they attract magic and he's using that magic to grant the wishes he can at the wish ceremonies. Maybe many of these wishes simply cannot be granted because he can't see a way to make them work that doesn't potentially hurt others or maybe he doesn't have the power to grant the more ambituous wishes.
We have no effing idea because we know what Asha knows and she knows nothing other than what she wants.
We're supposed to sympathize with her because her grandpa is on a clock, but she just comes across as ignorant, selfish, entitled and demanding.
There was nothing stopping her from learning how the magic works first, maybe impressing Magnifico with her work ethics and insights, using that to ask him to either grant her grandpas wish or maybe get it back so he can perhaps modify it to be less vague and potentially dangerous.
No attempt for her to seek a compromise.
Just got her audience on false pretenses (because this whole scene makes it clear she couldn't give a hoot about being an apprentice, she wanted nepotism), ignored him when he poured his heart out to her about wanting to find someone to take on his mantle of experience and asks him for a freebie, then blows up and tells him he ain't nothing when he denies her request.
That premise alone kills the movie for me. Anything after that just reinforces it.
What if they had done it differently. What if she had accepted the apprenticeship and Magnifico showed her that his magic lets him see possible outcomes of granting a wish, and one of the twenty or so vague impressions he gets from the wish of her grandfather shows him inspiring the people to revolt to much anguish and damage for all involved.
Asha settles down, accepting that she doesn't have the background knowledge to refute Magnifico on this.
It later turns out that Asha is extremely talented and motivated, so she breezes through material that other potential apprentices took months to absorb.
Maybe Asha advances enough in her apprenticeship to master that same spell, looks into the wish of her grandfather but she DOESN'T see that revolt. Her images instead show only positive outcomes.
When she reports this to Magnifico, they argue about it. She argues that her personal knowledge of the wisher gave her a better insight, he argues that his experience with the magic lets him see outcomes she can't (yet) see.
Over the weeks, she badgers him about it again and again, until eventually he tells her to stop bringing it up.
Asha reluctantly agrees because she has no proof that she's right.
She later stumbles upon something by complete accident that actually PROVES that she was right. A way to show Magnifico that he's been wrong on this, that it IS her knowledge of her grandfather that showed her that him inciting a rebellion was simply never an option, knowledge Magnifico didn't have or maybe that Magnificos paranoia is influencing the futures shown, making him focus more on and therefore see more potentially disastrous results.
She finds this out after a long period of study, meaning that when she races to tell Magnifico, she's tired, hungry and at the end of her rope.
Magnifico, not knowing she had anything more to bring to the discussion, snaps when she approaches him with what seems to him to be yet another attempt of Asha to get her grandfathers wish fulfilled. He blows up at her, tells her that she spent most of her apprenticeship not learning to help the people of Rosas, but instead looking for a way to get her own selfish way. He yells at her about the dozens of times she pestered him, how it wore his patience thin and that maybe, if she's unable to work in this position unless it comes with personal perks, she shouldn't be his apprentice at all.
Tired and frustrated, Asha snaps back that she wouldn't want to learn from someone as ignorant and narrowminded as Magnifico anyways and is subsequently ejected from the castle.
The rest of the movie could be about her not looking to dethrone Magnifico or steal the wishes, but just to convince him to listen to her so she can show him what she found.
Only Magnifico is so paranoid from his past trauma that he can't see that. He sees her attempts as the ambitions of a selfish woman to take the wish magic for herself and depose him so she can become queen and grant whatever wishes she likes.
As he fails to apprehend her, he eventually succumbs to temptation and uses the forbidden magic.
Or maybe you want Magnifico straight up evil. Aight. Can do. Show that lovey dovey intro scene but then show the actual kingdom as more oppressive. The people are listless, there are guards very visibly scrutinizing them, wanted posters for known Wish deniers that have become 18 but refused to hand their wish over.
Have the townsfolk overtly avoid any mirrored surfaces, knowing that Magnifico can see through them whenever he wishes and frequently does to find people that are hiding their wish from him or talking badly about his rule.
Show Magnifico granting wishes to officials and guards, but only rarely if ever to common folk.
Insert a scene where desperate townsfolk are thrown down the steps to the castle after a plea to have their wishes granted or at least returned.
Have a scene where he destroys a wish much earlier than we are shown in the actual movie, establishing that many of the wishes he received had been consumed by him to increase his power or simply for the thrills/sensations it gives him.
Have Asha find out about that and THEN have the rest of the movie.
That sounds far more thought provoking and far better than the film we got! Any more ideas, like Valentino, Asha’s family, the climax?
@@thesapphireone Not really much to say about Valentino I'm afraid, I've been much of a "cute animal companion" kinda guy.
Asha's family had a lot of potential but felt like they just didn't get enough screen time to do anything with because they had to cram in more references.
It would've been interesting to see what wish, if any, her father and mother had or have the grandfather more involved in Asha's shenanigans instead of being the MacGuffin.
For the climax I'm kinda torn. A big climatic battle where they defeat Magnifico in an actual fight by using the magic of Star could've been fun (a la Frollo, maybe? Magnifico going full bonkers throwing magic around that eventually consumes him), but I think I'd prefer if they actually got through to him (maybe one of his spells damages wishes and seeing them burn in his magical fire gives him a flashback to his own tragedy and snaps him out of it), he wrestles the "forbidden magic" back down and the happy ending is simply Magnifico sitting down with the townsfolk, explaining the magic and his thoughts and all of them finding a way to nudge their wishes so they're less potentially dangerous before he grants them or giving them back if he can't.
People still get what they want, Magnifico gets to help the people he can just like he did before, they understand the reasons why he can't grant all wishes better and the people he can't help aren't stuck waiting for something that will never come.
This is all just spitballing, mind.
@@AndragonLea Not that I disagree, but jfc you REALLY need to work on getting your point across in fewer words.
What’s really interesting is even Pokémon handled this topic better. Pokémon The Movie 6: Jirachi Wishmaker.
The only song that movie has is also better regardless of the language.
Watching it with my 6 year old daughter right now because she is on break. 😁
@@WobblesandBean I feel ya. This one was so long because we're talking an entire movie plot. Hard to condense that down to bullet points, at least for me.
The whole movie completely forgot that Disney villains are VILLAINS. They're not protagonists. Villains are NOT supposed to get all of the good character work like a backstory, reasonable motivations, character arcs, and so on. All of this character work SHOULD have been reserved for Asha, as she is the main character we're supposed to root for. SHE should have gotten the tragic backstory that explains her motivations for doing what she's doing and going on her story arc.
I do not and can not understand WHY the writers felt the need to flesh out the villain instead of the protagonist. I could only see this working if the writers were planning a bait-and-switch, where we find out that Magnifico is the true hero or something, but that's not what the movie wants to do. They just left their main character out to dry for no reason.
I mean, you spent almost a full half-hour talking about Magifico while Asha only got ten minutes. That's how lacking she is in story and character work. She has nothing else going for her.
Even the grandma in encanto is more evil than magnifico 😂
Someone said it sooner than me I guess😁😁😁
In regards to the magnifico section as well, the citizens should definitely be held at fault because at least a majority of those people HELPED to make the kingdom. This is a single generation kingdom, Magnifico is not immortal, the grandpa is literally older than Magnifico, there is no reason to pretend that the citizens are innocent victims when they had to actively opt to build this society in the way they did. The truth is they simply wanted to live wishless lives, were aware of the consequences, and chose to put the burden of the entire kingdom's will to live on one man's shoulders. No matter how you look at it, its their fault for choosing to live this selfishly, he just enabled them.
I can't hate Magnifico. He's too much like George Bailey from It's A Wonderful Life. George Bailey never got his wish and had to be the backbone of a community that took and took and took from him and he thought he wasn't appreciated. George Bailey imploded.
Magnifico's old home was destroyed by selfish people so he became selfless by being the backbone of a kingdom that took and took and took from him and he was never appreciated for things he did outside of granting wishes. And Magnifico exploded.
we don't know magnifico's backstory
@@viviennemorgan7217 it was vague but there's some lines about it. And it was the reason why he made Rosas
@@CrimsonMey so why is he keeping the wishes if he's not going to grant them?
@@viviennemorgan7217 because the people who gave those wishes are still living in his private property and using his resources.
@@CrimsonMey yeah but magnifico is selfish and wants all the wishes to himself if we look at the concept art of wish he was evil.
The way you structured that message of Wish in the outro is literally the exact opposite of the message taught in Monsters University. I think it's one of Pixar's most underrated sequels during the Pixar sequel era.
Sometimes, due to circumstances completely out of your control, you won't be able to achieve the dream you were striving for, and that is completely okay. Just because you cannot achieve that dream doesn't mean you can't still find a sense of purpose in your life, and you can still do something similar to what you were initially wanting. Failure is not the end of the line and there are other ways and alternative paths to find the passion and purpose that you were seeking.
The fact that Wish was their movie for their 100 year anniversary is simply insulting. I hope Disney either wakes up and finally realizes they've fucked or they burn with all of the billions of dollars they're buried under. This is what massive amounts of money and power does to people.
They should take the death note route is where Asha is like Light we not supposed to look up, Which make her the first disney villain protagonist & Magnifico is a hero Antagonist where we supposed to look up and win in the end like L & Near.
That would be awesome!
If only bruh
I've already left two comments but I want to talk about something I just noticed and nobody else mentioned. When Asha asks Magnifico to grant her grandfather's wish he says ''Most people wait at least a few months before they start asking me for favors.'' It means he had previous apprentices who Magnifico let go because they were too selfish, or they left themselves after getting/not getting their wish granted. Or maybe he's referring to people in general. Nobody wants to be his friend, they just want wishes. He only has his ''loyal'' wife. And we all know what she did. Poor Magnifico.
When your morals are so warped as a company that your villain is the good guy.
that one line 'they don't even have to pay rent' is so good, cause like that's my dream. So Magnifiqo would have been granting my wish by default 😂
IKR, like they already live in a paradise, yet still he is somehow the bad guy
@@deny2294because OH MY WISH WASNT GWANTED WEHWEHWEH 😢
The people of Rosas were MAD ungrateful man! 😕
@@OneClassicalLass they would not survive one day in real life lmao, what a great lesson for the kids..
That one woman only wanted a kiss from Magnifico! He could've done that one so easily 😉
I was already on his side but this made me wish I was in one of his citizens place. I would gladly work to be his apprentice and learn magic. I would have been his number one if he didn't make me pay rent.
The way the story is now, Magnifico feels like a tragic protagonist rather than a villain
It's funny how you mention that "At All Cost" didn't seem to work as intended because, funnily enough, IT DID.
A sparse few words were changed, but the song was originally intended to be a duet between Asha and a love interest. When the love interest was scrapped (darn them all to heck for it, too) they decided to keep the song and work it in as a duet between Asha and Magnifico.
And everyone agrees that it was a weird decision, because it just sounds strange now. It was *meant* to be a loving duet between lovers. Tender, soft and full of care and devotion.
Because of that, is it really any wonder why Magnifico sounds so genuinely caring towards the wishes? His part is *meant* to be sung by a boy in love. It's not a villain song - not even partially. It was never meant to be one. It was *meant* to be a romantic duet.
So, the vibes you got? Absolutely intended by the song writers. It's just that whoever decided to keep the song for Magnifico is an idiot. 😂
The songwriter told an interviewer that the communication between her and the writers is just very lacking. That’s why all the songs are either vague or it doesn’t make sense. I bet the writers told the songwriter about At All Cost that it was a romantic duet but then they scrapped the love interest and gave her a short amount of time to change it into what it is now
It’s literally sung by a 50 something year old man and 17 year old girl in a room full of glowing blue balls. Doesn’t that sound weird already?
Before I found out that it was intended to be a romantic duet, I thought it sounded like something a parent would sing to a child. The whole protecting at all costs thing was giving parental love to me. But even with that interpretation, I was confused about why they were singing it together lol
If Asha had grown as a character and saved Magnifico from the book at the end, then it would have worked. Disney tried too hard to make him a classic villain and it just wasn't working with this script. Let him be complex and do a simpler script for the 100th. Wish could have been 101 instead, but NO. We got this garbage and we're stuck with it. I'm done with Disney.
Adding more official context: King Magnifico lost his family but he also had his dreams crushed when he was a kid, leaving him hollow and grieving the loss of having to wander without the power of his heart. Even with this loss, he managed to study hard all around the world, get married to a woman who loves (loved?) him back and then built a utopia based on the pure will of giving people what he never had as a kid, including protection from heartbreak by taking care of their wishes before granting the safe ones. Basically he's proof that even if your dreams are destroyed, you can achieve becoming the king of a paradise with hard work and determination. The people in Rosas do not lose a part of themselves, they just give it to him, and he does not crush it he just protects it. So.. What exactly is their excuse for never working and never achieving anything?
30:58 how the hell am I supposed to hate someone saying that with that genuine look of righteous disappointment??? I can feel the hope leaving him... just like his wife
Agreed... He looked genuinely sad... Like this wasn't the FIRST time someone wanted something from him... Like all that hope that Asha could've been a great apprentice gone, reduced to atoms.
And she seemingly asked for a favor faster than the other ones!!! They waited months or even a year, she waited a few minutes 😂😂😂 that's nuts!! The fact that he considered it just shows how nice he is, I would've said no right then and there!
i felt that , it's so sad , this man deserves better
The Pinocchio pleasure island scene is TERRIFYING and that’s what makes it so effective. I haven’t seen it in a long time, since I was a kid, but I remember how it made me feel (disturbed, because kids drinking and smoking felt so wrong, and the donkey part was so scary) like even the Disney rides are scary as hell. But that means that scene/lesson did its job cuz it’s so impactful on kids.
you know what would fix this atrocity and make an amazing Disney comeback? If they made a movie where magnifico is the hero and protagonist and he shows you HIS way of how this movie went, revealing the true villain of the story being Asha and practically everyone else. I would pay good $$ for a movie like this. I want justice for this man. and I'm not alone considering the internet is filled with people asking for this. give Magnifico a movie where he gets to tell the story from his side
You know another thing to add in the twist you mentioned, granting wishes similar to Ursula from the Little Mermaid. There is a price, consequences, or conditions added to grant the wish.
Ex, in the beginning song there was someone with high stilts, imagine granting that wish only for him to have to do roof work or other jobs similar he doesn't like to do.
Another is being a seamstress, imagine that was your wish but you didn't wanted that as a job. Well to bad you wished it and now you have to use it or people will judge you.
Let that wish, once granted, let it be your whole personality even if you had a different personality before the granting.
Or a guy who wants to be taller, so he's turned into a giraffe. Like Dr Facilier's villain song said: "you got what you wanted, but you lost what you had"
Or Brave.
"I want to change my mom"
[bear]
It's such a shame - Magnifico could have been such a great *protagonist*. I mean, I believed that before, but after your breakdown of his character, I'm sure of it now.
Imagine this story: him being the protagonist, weighed down by a hundred requests, taken advantage of at every turn because everyone just wants him to do something for them, no one on his side, and not even any real support network. He's tempted by a magic book who seduces him by getting in through his frustrations and telling him that it could make them respect him, and then the movie ends with Magnifico realising that the people of Rosas now fear him instead of respect him, and that's not what he wants.
He then fixes the messes he made, defeats the book, and after the climax, the people of Rosas apologise for putting so much weight on his shoulders and everyone around vows to do better - Magnifico to never turn to dark magic and bottle everything up, and the people of Rosas to appreciate their king more.
Imagine THAT movie!
Honestly, that would be *WAY* better than this current Crime of a Movie.
I feel so bad for Magnifico. The narrative is trying to make him a villain, but he's a guy with PTSD and trying to help everyone with their wishes that was corrupted by an evil book that the queen knew how to use or open without being corrupted -_-
100 years of Disney, and the movie covered recent Mickey sponsored laziness.
Regarding the goat, Disney had already made a perfect goat character almost 30 years ago in The Hunchback of Notre Dame called Djali, Esmeralda's goat. He was cute, funny, and also helpful to the story and the characters, *WITHOUT* talking! What a concept! A cute animal sidekick can be a good side character *WITHOUT* blasting "lol so random" moments every 3 seconds?! Incredible! (sarcasm in case this isn't obvious)
Asha was the villain, Magnifico the hero.
Perfect plot that Disney missed🤦♀️
Thank you for this phenomenal video.
Now i want to hear a heavy metal version of this is the thanks it get.
I’ve heard of a villain protagonist, and now we have a hero antagonist!
I love the Magnifico section of this video, like to me he is probably the most relatable character here. Mad he's ignored, mad his people want to take advantage of him... but that's supposed to be "bad"?
Another important point is that the beginning just says that Magnifico teached himself magic and then decided that he's the only one in the kingdom who can use it. But literally nothing ever implied that the people aren't free to leave the kingdom to study magic themselves. This is and has always been a possibility. No Wishing star required.
For all it is, they just can't do it in this ONE kingdom because of the established magic system (although, Magnifico wants an apprentice which by the definition of the word directly implies he will teach Asha magic. But oh well...)
Also:
My biggest problem with the movie is that, in my opinion, the situation of Magnifico keeping the wishes he has no intention on fulfilling merely sounds like a moral dilemma that needs a good fucking *conversation* since I can understand why just giving the wishes back could leads to the citizens getting ungrateful and upset about 'why their wish doesn't qualify but another one does'. It's just bratty human nature and therefore a moral dilemma for a magical ruler I could perfectly sympathize with if the movie had simply used it as the _starting point_ for a complex development between Asha and Magnifico as the two main characters thematic wise.
But they didn't. The movie stomped its foot and demanded that Magnifico keeping the wishes already means he's the devil in person which couldn't kill the potential of the subject matter more of it actively tried
Add to your first point: Asha is not the first person to audition for apprenticeship for studying magic, so it's not like this is a once-in-a-lifetime deal. In fact, his audible disappointment when Asha asks for grandpa's wish to be granted is because this is how said apprenticeships usually end, just someone wanting something out of him and trying to get in his graces first. Which is why they never go all the way through: they don't really want to learn magic, or put in the work to learn their own wish-granting power, they just want what they want now.
Which leads to your second point: yes, him keeping the wishes should have been a proper conversation.
As you rightly point out, if he started just giving back wishes he was never going to grant, that would lead to a lot of unrest as people start questioning which wishes are or aren't worthy of being granted by him.
But even leaving that aside... Asha's point about giving them back is so people can accomplish their dreams on their own merits. Two problems with that; one presented in the movie, the other sorta through implications.
In the movie: Magnifico directly says that people give wishes to him because they either don't want to or can't put in the time and work to make them come true themselves. And it's not like he forces denizens of the kingdom to give their wishes to him, it's established early on that this is voluntary. They know it's either take the chance their wish will be granted or keep their wish and do it themselves, and they choose the former. He's really not that bad here.
The implications: Okay, giving the wishes back to the people to let them try for themselves. A fine sentiment for wishes that could be accomplished through enough work and dedication, like climbing a mountain or learning to sail or becoming a knight. But wishes that are only possible through magic, like flying? Giving a wish like that back would just result in disappointment and despair as they realize their wish will never come true... and they'll be no better off emotionally or mentally than if they just never remembered at all.
This story's subject matter is WAY too complex to have a black-and-white approach, and that, I think, is the biggest failure of this movie writing wise.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 the morality of if it's okay to not give back a wish to spare a person pain is actually a topic I deliberately stayed away from, because at the end of the day it is the inversed equivalent of me saying I can understand a magical ruler hesitating to give back wishes because that would set the fall of the first domino stone in motion that causes the citizens to get upset because of the morality of their individual cases. And once that line is crossed you can't come back from that, no matter from what side you cross it.
It comes back to my problem with how the movie used Magnifico saying taht the wish is too "vague" to make him look irredeemable by making it follow up with reasoning that completely misses the point of what the actual problem is with vague wishes.
The movie has Magnifico say that the wish is too vague because "how can he know what Grandpa intends to inspire the people to do?"
When it's so obvious that the actual problem here is that Grandpa has no fucking way to control what the people he inspired will do with said inspiration. Intentions do NOT matter when it comes to vague wishes.
Any child who watched a single episode of Fairy Oddparents (is that it's English name?) knows that and it's the basic logic of how Genies screw you over.
Intentions are nice and well, but you don't ever control what the fulfilled wish will set in motion once it becomes part of the established society/ reality. That is pathetically basic logic, so I'm incredibly bothered by the movie trying to cheat itself into the most black-and-white morality by simply having Magnifico word the concern differently so it instead looks like he's accusing an old man of wanting to cause harm, when the problem is that the old man WILL cause harm because he doesn't control the people around him.
I'm not at all against Magnifico being evil, but as you said, the story has to fit the villain considering that in most cases the villain IS the damn plot. Which absolutely is the case with Magnifico.
Lady Tremaine and Mother Gothel are evil evil because it's a clear cut case of child abuse.
Maleficent cursed a fucking BABY!
The evil Queen is so black-and-white evil because the actual ruling and backstory are irrelevant and only her cruelness towards Snow White and other people are used for the story.
Ursula and Scar are evil evil because their backstories are deliberately kept out of the movie while also not being in positions of power in the first place to complicate things (In Ursula's case we were even told she was BANISHED from the palace) because you do need to adjust morality sometimes for leaders. Thats simply how it WORKS.
So their goal is instead to GET into the position of power which is an understandable thing for the plot to wanting to prevent since trey are as a narrative tool 'just' bad people.
Then you have cases like Hades were Fans speak up in his favor because despite him being an asshole, it's also hard to argue against the fact that he was by far given the shittiest hand of all the gods and the others are being jerks about that too.
Meanwhile you get no such arguments when it comes to Judge Frolle because the movie did the fucking work to make him the most Power-hungry and dangerous threat in all of Paris who abuses his power and faith left and right and refuses to see reason.
Simplicity isn't fucking easy. It's frankly more complicated than a morally complex plot because there you have at least wiggle room through the flawed human nature.
But when you go for simplicity, you ironically need to put in all the work to make sure that basically any given plot option that could give a black-and-white story more nuances of grey *is being taken care of*
Simplicity doesn't equal easy, more like the complete opposite.
MAGNIFICO WAS LOOKING SOMEONE TO TEACH THEM MAGIC AND HOW TO HANDLE WISHES. He didn't even self proclaimed.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 Yea, he made it clear his intention are for those with good intentions but lacking the ability to do em. A poor man wanting isn't gunning to be noble but wants to get his dream job (something that would never pay him enough to feed his family), or a lady who wants to do a sport like soccer but is wheelchair bound making that not conventionally possible. Or just someone who lacks to confidence to believe they will find love on their own.
Someone waited 100 years to learn to play an instrument. Asha is not shown to be poor. They could have bought it in THAT long of a wait and unless he is permanently disabled in a way that clearly isn't shown, 50 years (even your later 50) is not to late to learn an instrument to an intermediate level.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807I think a lot of people here is forgetting that at the start of the movie is stated that Magnifico doesn’t actually takes wishes to grant them, he takes them to safeguard them and compensate the ones good and worthy. He’s making them a favor by protecting their wishes, and that wish being granted would be the cherry on the top for those with pure wishes.
Magnifico doesn’t has to return them, because wherever they are good or bad wishes, he protects them all the same per the compromise. He’s not being faulty, and he only accepts the wishes once they become legal adults, so he's making sure they are at an age they can take life decision for themselves.
Disney had so many ways to tell a good story and choose none of them.
Plot 1: Make Magnifico the hero and Aisha the villain.
Plot 2: Make Aisha showing the people that with hardwork you can make your wishes came true and that they dont need Magnifico's magic.
Plot 3: Make Magnifico being paranoid and seeing all magic as bad, banishing wishes, because his kingdom was destroyed in the past because of magic.
Plot 4: Make the people being forced to give their wishes to Magnifico, because that's the only way to have a ticket to live in his utopia.
Plot 5: Make the queen being the real villain that manipulated Magnifico to do the "bad deeds".
If Disney picked one of this plot lines, it would be more interesting than the story they actually delivered.
It's like they had a board full of great plots hoping the dart would hit one of them when they throw it with their eyes closed, and somehow the dart went straight to the trashcan... at the other side of the room 💀
32:20 something I realized upon rewatch here, when Magnifico goes on his spiel about "too vague" and "what is he trying to inspire," is that he was 100%.
Asha saw the wish, and it changed her world view. It inspired her to lie and steal from the king. To bring a foriegn magic into the castle and because she never spoke up about it when he asked, which could have calmed him down at least KNOWING what the star was. It forced him into a corner. Set off by PTSD, the entitled citizens, and her.
Her Saba's wish inspired her to revolt, take his kingdom, his job, lose his free will and his lovi g wife, and senstenced him to be stuck in a mirror for all eternity while NO ONE looked for a way to save him like he did for COUNTLESS people.
Magnifico is a highly tragic figure who deserved more than what he got. The more I thibk about it, the worst I feel for the poor man.
So I always wanted to talk about how children's cartoons of the 2010 have better characters and plot than modern Disney, and Disney keeps proving it right. I was an MLP child and I still remember that they had dark plots in their cartoons. They reference slavery and communism damnit. They had somewhat threatening villains for the main cast, one of them almost made it possible to erase their entire minds and history to destroy the world. They talked about the hardships of war and mental health while showing bright pink ponies. And Disney is scared of having an idea that can be opposed by who? 5 people?
Season 5 went hard on the Pony communist plot. I have that episode on DVD. I love how Pinkie Pie was on high alert the moment they entered into the compound with all those = marks in place of their usual cutie marks. And Fluttershy being enamored with it at first. She helps bust them out and the other ponies get the mane 6’s stolen marks back. Such a good series. ☺️
If you think MLP ever portrayed communism you need to read history. If you think Starlight was a communisim alagory you are an idiot 😅
This isnt a classic disney movie with a princess protagonist, its a tragedy about how the king was pushed and driven to madness
trust me, I would prefer that tragedy over this movie, no way I'll side with people like Asha
I literally just realized the grandfather turning 100 was meant to be a reference to Disney turning 100. 🙃
what? really that's fast?
Took you that long?
Welp technically 101
@@robertagren9360Dalmatians!
Wish was to inspire for generations. Ironic that seems to have died in his own home but at least others are still inspired to make art
Magnifico Is probably in his 50s or something and considering he looked to be in his 20s-30s he’s been putting up with the entitlement for decades. I’m surprised he lasted that long. Also he never got his wish granted either and I think is a good person from everything you said and that I’ve seen about him
And Asha’s grandfather went decades without a wish but now at the ripe age of 100 wants it 😂 lol what
And sent Asha to steal his wish.
They could made asha assassin
@@Kelsey1987 exactly
@@Kelsey1987Exactly!
@@chezperky I don't know how Magnifico put up with that for so long... I would've been snapped!
Honestly the only explanation is that someone on the team got confused who was the villain and who was the hero
I think it's telling that, while I know Disney has trouble putting stuff on D+ in a timely manner, Wish _still_ isn't on D+. They're in no hurry.
And its not like netflix where you have to deal with a middle man
56:39
I don’t know why you said your singing would be cringe because legit man you have a great singing voice
Especially what you did to the opening song and followed the tempo
1:07:21 I know right like this sounds so amazing
I hate this movie so much that i wrote a whole movie script using their early concept. I got rid of the goat, made Asha an actual young sorcerer so it won't be weird that she wants to be Magnifico's apprentice, got rid of some of her friends, put starboy and evil couple back, no more adorkable Asha and i made a reason why Magnifico made Rosas and why people startred to come there.
What is Disney’s goal for teaching these lessons of entitlement? How will Disney make money from a generation of people who think that they shouldn’t have to work? I’m genuinely trying to understand their motives.
Easy. It's the same thing that happened with another bad movie revolving around wishes: wonder woman 1984. The writers simply did not consider the implications and messages they were sending because it delivered the plot they wanted and by the time they wrote the first draft of the final scene, they called it a day on any major structural changes.
Even then, WW84 still had the "you dont need your wish granted to be happy" even though the whole plot with barbara paints her ill for looking up to diana as a role model, making her the villain because ????? The closer look did an amazing rewrite of that movie, making barbara's descent into madness a result of manipulation from another character and once she breaks free of the siren song, she makes the change she wants to see in herself happen by her own hands.
It's teaching the newer generations that when someone tells them no, then that person must be the bad one. No need to think about what YOU did because you are right.
They’re not trying to teach anything. There’s no moral. It’s just a reflection of how executives think writing works. They think writing is a job they can cram into AI and make a ton of cash. And they won’t learn their lesson. Executives never do.
I always hate when people misinterpret grumpy as the mean one or the angry one. Grumpy is better characterized as the annoyed one. He doesn't really like sudden changes, isn't afraid to express his dislike or discomfort, and has a temper. But he is rarely, if ever mean or upset, for no reason at all.
Alma Madrigal: got magic without any effort, held her family in an iron fist for decades, bullied her son so much that he hid from her in the wall, treated her granddaughter like an outcast, blaming her for causing the magic house is breaking down. Everyone forgave her, because the poor old woman’s husband had been k%lled a long time ago.
Magnifico: devoted his life to studying magic, built a kingdom from scratch, allowed people from all over the world to live in it completely free of charge, granted people’s wishes every month, loved his wife, invited a commoner to become his student. He is a monster, de@th to the tyrant!!!
They wanted to go back to pure evil but were still stuck on that generational trauma/the villain isn't really a villain programming...just Frankenstein it.
this feels like a huge misreading of almas character. Her husbands sacrifice provided a miracle she was afraid to lose that and lose her home again (because they had to flee due to war) and wanted to keep everyone safe. She was unaware her family felt this pain because none of them ever communicated. When she realizes that she’s been harming them she apologizes and vows to change.
girl i feel like you should rewatch encanto bc you misinterpreted alma so much
@lilac3266 At least Alma felt a lot more well written compared to Magnifico. That’s for sure.
@@pennysanchez7656 exactly! almas trauma wasnt a joke like how wish treats Magnificos. They also show actual development instead of having a book possess her. I feel like that evil book was such a cop out because they couldn’t decide whether to make Magnifico evil or complex. So we got a terrible mix
This review honestly makes me glad that I decided to give up on Disney these days.
If you want to rage against the machine, the machine must be corrupt and broken, not a stable utopia that's going to burn because you make the Good King's worst nightmares come true.
I enjoyed you picking apart Magnifico. It's such a shame. He really could have been one of the greatest disney villains if the story framed him in the right way. He could have been entirely evil, or he could have been evil but having a psychotic break bc of all the pressure and the thanklessness of the job. IT COULD HAVE BEEN GREAT! I would have loved to see a story where he's the protagonist and he's just spiraling. not that i'd expect that from disney
(also magnifico is hot soooo...)
and god, the princess and the frog which came out what... like 12 years ago had a much better message about wishes.
I'm amused by the apparent attempt to make Magnifico both a one-dimensional gloriously self-centered traditional villain AND a more complex, almost twisty villain in the more modern Disney style - because here's the thing: movies do this *all the time*...but Wish does it BACKWARDS.
Typically, you'll start out with a villain who appears to be villainous for the sake of villainy, reveling in his own power and scheming and manipulating as he sees fit; but later in the story, some information is revealed that shows some depth and nuance to his character. Maybe a tragic or otherwise unhealthy backstory that explains how he became the person he is now, or a code he abides by or a moral line even he won't cross, or even a development over the course of the story that changes his perspective and so his behavior in some way. Basically, the villain is humanized, turning our disgust or dislike for him into sympathy or at least understanding. (I don't claim this to be an easy thing to accomplish in writing - if you start with someone irredeemable enough, you won't be able to effectively humanize him no matter how hard you try.)
Magnifico, though, starts off where he ought to end, if we go by this pattern: he is, at the start of the movie, extremely pragmatic and considerate of the enormous responsibility of running a large kingdom full of subjects that clamor for his particular help. A certain amount of ego, while a definite flaw, is absolutely natural in his situation, and his paranoia stems from desire to maintain the home he built for himself and everyone else in Rosas - basically, every negative aspect of his portrayal has a clear explanation stemming from his circumstances. He's a thoroughly sympathetic antagonist, and only that because Wish has selected a naïve, entitled and hubris-ridden resident of his country as its protagonist.
THEN, the film tries to shift him into one of those flamboyant, sheer evil villains, via accidental magical possession while violating his own personal boundaries with his craft in order to protect his first priority: the safe-keeping of the wishes of Rosas. This doesn't work because (a) it's NOT REALLY HIM in the first place if he's being maliciously possessed - and in fact *being* controlled by an evil entity against one's will is wont to make one a MORE sympathetic character on its own - and (b) once the character is already humanized, YOU CANNOT ERASE THAT HUMANITY FROM THE MINDS OF YOUR AUDIENCE. Having been shown depth to Magnifico, the viewers are not going to forget his compelling character (which has not been shown to have been a facade, i.e. "Oh I lied about caring for Rosas and appreciating the wishes, I just want power, fooled you!") and accept his much simpler state; he has not degraded into less of a person, because that is not how this WORKS. I'm not going to jump with joy at the destruction of a formerly reasonable man who was pushed to the brink, stripped of his humanity by a diegetic evil force, and then defeated by a thoroughly unreasonable and selfish girl who failed to understand the complex system he'd spent his life engineering for altruistic purposes. I'm going to mourn the man who I met first.
Disney's 100th could have been represented by a film with meta implications, featuring a villain who starts out plainly malevolent yet entertaining, then evolves into someone more sympathetic, reflecting an idealized version of the trend among Disney villains in general. Unfortunately, they wrote his arc backwards, and I resent THEM for it - not Magnifico.
Only then can your wish come true by taking their power by becoming the new star and replace their authority in shape of yours by subject the people to grant their wishes so that they will not rebellion and stay loyal subjects working for you to create your wish as your friends gets their wishes but not anyone else.
Wish would have been AMAZING move if Magnifico was actually the protagonist, a good king trying to protect his kingdom and risking everything to keep it safe from an idealistic and naive antagonist whose wish almost ruins everything.
Old Disney also had many movies that had very good male protagonists (Hercules, Simba, Jim) and in recent years most of the protagonists have been young women. It would have been so refreshing to to not only have a male lead but also a little older lead than in most Disney movies.
Or better yet, keep it as is, but its a Villain POV. A lesson on either selfishness or overconfidence without knowledge.
Walt would be *disgusted* if he saw this garbage.
Not all wishes or dreams are good ones, and not all are achievable and THAT IS OKAY.
My biggest dreams, from a young age, were to either live and work permanently as a ranch hand, or to own and run my own ranch/homestead. I've mostly worked jobs that are very physical. Now, as an adult, I have found that those dreams are most likely out of reach for me for multiple reasons that are out of my control, the biggest being my own body. I have a spinal deformity that causes my hips to sit wrong, so standing and walking for long periods of time are very hard and riding horseback at anything faster than a walk is dangerous. I also have a condition that causes me extreme vertigo that can hit so hard it leaves me basically unconscious and completely helpless for hours - not exactly something safe to have when working around large livestock or being on horseback or driving heavy equipment.
I'm having to re-evaluate my future and the kinds of jobs and career I can have. I have to look at my limitations, and be realistic. And you know what? That's okay. Would I like if someone could wave a magic wand and fix everything for me? Well, sure, but not at the cost of someone else. If me getting my dream somehow hurt someone else, it'd taint it and I would never be able to feel any joy from it, only guilt.
Some wishes can't come true, and that's okay. Some wishes shouldn't come true, and that's okay too. To think that you should get what you want, no matter what, and that you should have it just handed to you without any work or effort is selfish, entitled, and makes Asha and those who followed her the real villains. Magnifico built a wonderful world for them with his own two hands, gave them anything they needed to live a safe, comfortable life, and all they did was scream for more like a spoiled brat at the grocery store demanding more candy. None of them deserve their wishes.
I hope you are doing okay, and that you find a new dream that will make you happy. I’m also struggling in my life, I have cerebral palsy, autism, I’m trying to find a part-time job because I want to be a musician, but I’m scared I’m not good enough , and barring my friend, AnimationFanboy2004, who has his own TH-cam channel, I don’t have any other friends, and I don’t feel like my family understand me, and I feel like I have to align my opinions and mold myself into what they want. I also want to be a movie TH-camr, but I don’t know what equipment to use, or how to edit, and I’m scared of what people will think of my appearance, because while I’m not ugly, I’m not beautiful either and I have low self-esteem and confidence, even when I’m told I’m pretty or kind, I still feel worse. Do you have any advice?
@@thesapphireone The only advice I could give you is to reach out to people who work in the industry you're interested in and ask them for advice and guidance. Ask them what an average workday for them looks like, how they got to where they are, things like that. If their regular workday sounds like something you could handle, then you can try to take steps to make it happen and hopefully reach your goal! If it doesn't sound possible for you, then try to re-evaluate and maybe look for work that is similar or adjacent to what you wanted to do, but more within your capabilities.
@@moonstruck8245 Thanks! Anything else?
My god, I just thought
What if it was written how you said (magnifico being right, Asha being overly optimistic, this wish being this movie's "let it go" etc.) And when Asha gets the star dude, she uses his help to grant everyone's wish, inadvertently causing pandemonium in Rosas. That would be a genuinely good message and they literally had the entire plot set up for them. It's like two writing teams worked on different parts of the script
Artificial Intelligence for TV and movie making is a bad idea.
You can't tell me this film didn't get the AI treatment.
You can't prove that this movie used AI. Bad writing has existed without AI for centuries, and it will continue to.
The worst part is the villain was right, most people’s wishes are to general or will negativity effect other around them. Most people are unwilling to realize an unconstrained vision in unrealistic, everything is constrained but no he is the bad guy for implementing limitations. The protagonist reminds me too much of real people, its to the point that they arguing in favor of the movies message.
Magnifico should be the next disney princess, granting wishes and offering an amazing life in a town an all, in the lineup and Asha can fade into obscurity with her bland personality.
Get him his tiara NOW!!!
*Input Peter Griffins: I WANT IT NOW!!*
This movie could've been acceptable if it was about the typical "be careful what you wish for", having Asha realize that a lack of restraint in granting wishes could have terrible consequences and having to learn from Magnifico to undo her mistakes.
But noooo, let's just lead a revolution against a a genuinely good and benevolent leader who has done nothing but care for his people...
To be fair to Asha's grandfather, it seems like his desire to play music was tied to his forgotten wish, but that just makes the system more confusing.
And, what if your wish changes? Say a married couple are desperate to be parents, but can't conceive? It would probably become a stronger wish than wanting to fly at the very least.
And Simon desiring something as mundane as his job is just odd too. As time goes on, more people who drink the kool-aid would wish for the achievable and make the city worse off. It just doesn't feel well thought out.
Something I noticed about grandpa - this man is 100 years old, unless Magnifico is immortal, it would mean this old man spent at least 50 years (probably even more, since the King looks to be in his 50s and he clearly didn't create Rosas the day he was born) with his wish just walking around or something and doing nothing to make it come true.
@@l.c.m.7191 That’s an excellent point. Grandpa makes no sense.
i didn't watch the movie and I'm not planning to but magnifico saying "that was fast , people usually wait a month or two" means that almost everyone get close to him to use him for his powers , this really sucks
i don't remember the exact quote sry..
Potential superior sequel idea: Asha recklessly grants some dangerous wishes and puts people’s lives at risk and she needs to go to Magnifico for advice on how to fix things.
Since Disney loves referencing their other properties, his reply could even quote Thanos: “You couldn’t live with your failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.”
This movie is good if you think of it this way:
A retelling of events by the winner of the conflict, Asha. Trying to make herself look better and the opponent look worse
Then the book falls down and everything is a nightmare
The "Grumpy" character isn't even grumpy, he's just a smartass. Being grumpy is being moody or short tempered, and he's neither of those things. Being a smartass and being grumpy aren't the same thing in any regard, how did they fuck up making these characters so badly?
Have you seen Ingmar Bergman's 'The Magic Flute'? The ending of that would have been so satisfying here. As the villagers celebrate around the victorious hero and heroine, the wizard Sarastro quietly stands aside and looks back at them. As he prepares to leave, his magic flute descends to him, and he has a momentary impulse to put it to his lips and play. But he resists, and walks away from the celebration. The torch has been passed; the people will no longer be governed by powerful magicians wielding mysterious magic, but by true love and their own courage. Of course, Sarastro was not the villain, but then neither is Magnifico. The ending should have been his public acknowledgement of Asha as the person most fit to succeed him because she was the one who saw that living enslaved to wishes was an unworthy life, and she wanted to lead them out of it. Then he would depart. The era of wishes is over, now comes the age of human striving and accomplishment. I guess Disney was so obsessed with creating a "greatest hits" compilation they couldn't break free of the "small plucky heroine smashes arrogant villain" paradigm so they had to crowbar everyone involved into that tiny box.
Here’s an interesting thought. Show what happens when a wish is too vague. Have someone wish for more freedom and show the theoretical consequences. One a more prosperous kingdom and one the kingdom falls to total anarchy and its destruction. Make a point that wish magic is volatile and needs to be as specific as possible. Have him take Asha under his wings. A proof of her Grandfather’s character through her. There really is no need for for there to be a villain in this movie.
Tbh I would’ve loved seeing a movie about a loving king get mistreated and Asha could’ve been the villain of the story, creating a false rebellion against magnifico and even maybe leading to Asha winning the story