Thanks again, happyhoof, for another excellent video. I began following your advice a couple of months ago with excellent results. I have one horse with dreadful feet (poor frog, flares, shelly hoof, you name it - because of all his foot problems I went barefoot with him 3 years ago) and his feet are showing a lot of improvement, just in a couple of months. My other horse has good feet but they are now a lot better, so, thanks.
Very glad I could help you and your horses. I had improvement with the old mapping, but this mapping is ASTOUNDING me. I am rockering toes that are 2 inches forward of the breakover line, and leveling very bad hooves and seeing crooked horses going stright. It's just taken 7 years of sorting through all the error and false ideas that in in both barefoot trimming and farriery. That's what really sets you back is all the false knowledge, the don't do this and don't do that suff. Proof is results.
And the longer the toe, the more laminar material, the more yellow the sole area will look. And the harder it will be to exfoliate. That stuff don't exfoliate like normal sole. And it can be dispersed not just in the toe, but to different degrees and thicknesses throughout the sole. You know you are close to getting your foot right when that starts to dissapear and you find you can easily exfoliate sole. You'll see the differene as you continue in this.
Oh right on! I have noticed a pattern in several horses, that as the frog corium comes back into place, they develope a real nice defined central sulcus. And I have come to the conclusion, that most frog problems are not due to underlying infections as much as they are to simply a weak stretched out frog that is't trimmed enough. My horse Valor never had a nice central sulcus till the toe and frog came back. and no thrush even in wet season.
I don't measure concavity anymore becasue the sole is not truly concave in it's form it's cresentric, being both convex and concave. In reality the concave area of the underside of the coffin bone is not what truly gives the sole a "concave" appearance. Rather it is the convex ridge of sole around the perimeter, blending into and merging with the concave area leading to the frog, that just presents a picture to the eye of the sole being concave.
Please explain more about how you make the bars straight. If the bars have been stretched forward and laid over do you just keep cutting it away until you find where the white line is straight? Or does it take a while before you can get down to that level? How did you scoop the quarters - with the knife or file it away and how did you decide the level to take the quarters down? Do you have a video showing you grinding down the frog? Thanks again.
Since watching your videos I can now SEE all 4 of my horses have under run heels and hoof flare in the quarters.. I am Really trying hard to learn what to do to correct this.. They also have long pillars.. Ugh.. So I am taking notes on this video to get my Mapping down so I can get my horses hooves in good shape.. THANK YOU
When the toe is filled with sole and too vertically high, it only makes it "seem" like the quarters area has an arch, because you can't get down to a clean white line, without scooping the quarters. But the toe can both stretch forward and gain vertical height and you can still rather easity rasp into a clean white line. Many times it's damage is hidden behind what looks to be healthy.
great video, enjoyed it a lot! All the things II observed but never really knew why they were the way they where.. One question: do you ever measure the amount of concavity? I have been following a very similar mapping method for a year now and I seem to have gotten flatter feet. In one of your next videos, can you measure the concavity just for me to know that what I am observing is also what you are observing??
Rather than scoop the quarters, or that is "lower" the quarters as we do, we need to learn to take the toe down level with the quarters, get the wall growing back and the sole coming back under where it's supposed to be. all tightly connected and well fitted to the toe of the inner foot. (see below)
Whie feet should have off white sole. Valor's toes were solid off white, because in black soles often the lamiar serum is more whitish looking. But in white soles it will come out very yellow. After a while you learn to tell the difference between what is laminar harened serum and true sole.
I can't give you a definitive answer on that since I do not really know what is going on with your horses feet. But if you trimmed and also took the frogs down, how to you know for sure it's the frogs? How long were the frogs higher than the sole? Did you take them down durring a trim or some time afterwards. I've had horses get tender or sore for lots of reasons. If you are going to do corrective trimming it's bound to happen sooner or later and more than once.
Also: you are correcting the foot, things are changing internally, sometimes you have to tear down to rebuild, and it stands to reason horses may get uncomfortable, since living flesh is moving and heeling. You absolutely have to learn to cast the feet for support at those times. Watch the equicast videos on youtube, and order cheap fiberglass casting wrap , alto cast from suppliescentral to always have on hand durring the transition period.
Great video. I think the toe rocker is a major missing part of my trim. I noticed though that your heel buttresses look very short. I believe in your other videos you said that the heel buttress should be at least 1 inch high?
The only reason quarters seem to be scooped is because the toe is too vertially high and filled with a toe wedge (falsely called a callous). and it can get very thick and lift the toe of the foot up to a position where it's not supposed to be. Like as if you put an inch of board under the toe of your shoe and tried to walk around like that. Then since the quarters fill up back to the heel, you don't notice this happening. (see below)
...She likely went to the same school as your idiot; however, she has the intelligence and perseverance to go beyond the typical farrier IQ (some farriers are simple minded), which enables one to actually reverse damage such as white line disease, laminitis, backwards heel growth. I recently, last October 12th, 2014, bought a horse with the worse feet I have ever seen (undisclosed; equine com), it was the previous farrier that helped ruined her feet; cracks from base to coronet band, deep white line disease, severe laminitis, close to founder; I am not a professional farrier, I did not go to farrier school. This woman has done dissections' and research allowing us to learn, I am now saving horses from founder too. I started trimming when I was 11, I am now 42 yrs. old and a female. Bless "the happy hoof"
Interestingly enough to the right there is a video called Mosaic's Movie #2 with a picture of a hoof. The picture illustrates what eventually happens when a toe is allowed to get too vertically high and filled with sole wedge. Scooping the quarters, puts pressure on the toe pushing it up. The true inner foot does not have an arch like a humans. That is a complete and utter faliciy intvented by someone who did not know the toe on their horse was getting too vertically high. (see below)
I do not really scoop the quarters, but I level the whole foot from heel to toe. So that in essence you could put a shoe on it and there would be no gaps or high spots. The hoof is such a wierd geometrical shape, that for some reason we can't SEE how we can level the foot in the quarters with the toe and heels. But usually also the toe wall and sole had gained a distorted "VERTICAL" height, that needs to be taken DOWN. But people are afraid to rasp it down. (see below)
My horse has white feet, what colour is the live sole going to be? I realize that what Valour's feet look like is going to be a lot different because his feet are black..
The boarding facility contacted me today because my mare that arrived at their facility yesterday was lame and in pain this morning due to previous well known breeding/boarding facility trimming her feet too short (about 5 cm - less than 2 inches) and I didn't know they trimmed her feet before hauling her 135 miles. Therefore, the Vet said that she needs to wear rubber boots on both front and rear feet for 3 weeks and stay in a large stall then she can go into pasture. Question's: Can this Thoroughbred Mare be ridden after her hooves grow out or will her hooves have to be corrected over time since they were cut too short. Also, should I put shoes on her after 3 weeks if she's tender footed. I'm going to contact the previous facility on Monday since their farrier caused this issue which cost me $400 (hopefully I'll get reimbursed). The new facility uses Total Equine so I'm hoping her hooves will grow out quickly.
Gee, you're not asking much there ( : First you have to get down to the basic bar, which takes some time, several sessions over a week or two depending. Also the bars stretch forward with the whole foot, and because the whole foot from toe to heel is run forward. So you are just getting them in their basic anatomically correct shape, BUT to actually straighten them or get them correctly placed, this takes growth and the hoof correcting itself.
Please note this is an old video and that you must also grow and restore your heels and not trim them out. I was taught through barefoot trimming and natural hoof care to trim the heel buttresses out. Then it does not matter what you do to the toe your whole foot is going to be screwed up.
excuse me but one must pair down the tip of the frog to where it "actually" meets the juncture of the sole for a accurate point of reference. I have not heard you mention the balance you are trying to achieve, why? you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the time! quit making up words to fit your narrative and seek out correct training before you just mark up a hoof to make it look like you know what you are doing
Then you wind up haveing low heels, because we can all pretty much lower heels. While at the same time the toe has been getting vertically higher and filling up with a compressed sole ridge, that tapers back and blends in towards the heels. Shaped like and apple wedge. At the same time the toe can also stretch forward. You have GOT to learn to remove sole, even in the toe. Because the foot will develope what I have come to call a "false toe".
you might consider add to the vid the theory physiologically in moving the toe this far back and this close to the tip of the coffin bone. Visually, looks a little close to me, and one could imagine bruising inside the hoof or worse with the toe this close to coffin bone with any serious work by the horse. Just speculation, but think I'd be careful without knowing the whys and wherefores.
Where did you go to farrier school? I dont believe they taught this as part of the curriculum and that you are taking this upon yourself to screw up these horses feet.
Surely you should find the apex of the frog before you do your measurements otherwise what you did was wasted and as shown you had to do it all over again? The poor animal needs a rest as your method takes too long.
Best video yet!Wonderful to see these changes and how close you are to actually having that wild foot!You are a star!
Thanks again, happyhoof, for another excellent video. I began following your advice a couple of months ago with excellent results. I have one horse with dreadful feet (poor frog, flares, shelly hoof, you name it - because of all his foot problems I went barefoot with him 3 years ago) and his feet are showing a lot of improvement, just in a couple of months. My other horse has good feet but they are now a lot better, so, thanks.
Very glad I could help you and your horses. I had improvement with the old mapping, but this mapping is ASTOUNDING me. I am rockering toes that are 2 inches forward of the breakover line, and leveling very bad hooves and seeing crooked horses going stright. It's just taken 7 years of sorting through all the error and false ideas that in in both barefoot trimming and farriery. That's what really sets you back is all the false knowledge, the don't do this and don't do that suff. Proof is results.
And the longer the toe, the more laminar material, the more yellow the sole area will look. And the harder it will be to exfoliate. That stuff don't exfoliate like normal sole. And it can be dispersed not just in the toe, but to different degrees and thicknesses throughout the sole. You know you are close to getting your foot right when that starts to dissapear and you find you can easily exfoliate sole. You'll see the differene as you continue in this.
Oh right on! I have noticed a pattern in several horses, that as the frog corium comes back into place, they develope a real nice defined central sulcus. And I have come to the conclusion, that most frog problems are not due to underlying infections as much as they are to simply a weak stretched out frog that is't trimmed enough. My horse Valor never had a nice central sulcus till the toe and frog came back. and no thrush even in wet season.
I don't measure concavity anymore becasue the sole is not truly concave in it's form it's cresentric, being both convex and concave. In reality the concave area of the underside of the coffin bone is not what truly gives the sole a "concave" appearance. Rather it is the convex ridge of sole around the perimeter, blending into and merging with the concave area leading to the frog, that just presents a picture to the eye of the sole being concave.
Thanks for doing these videos and talking about mapping, it helps us that try to do maintenance trims on our own horses :)
Please explain more about how you make the bars straight. If the bars have been stretched forward and laid over do you just keep cutting it away until you find where the white line is straight? Or does it take a while before you can get down to that level? How did you scoop the quarters - with the knife or file it away and how did you decide the level to take the quarters down? Do you have a video showing you grinding down the frog? Thanks again.
Since watching your videos I can now SEE all 4 of my horses have under run heels and hoof flare in the quarters.. I am Really trying hard to learn what to do to correct this.. They also have long pillars.. Ugh.. So I am taking notes on this video to get my Mapping down so I can get my horses hooves in good shape.. THANK YOU
Why don't you consider using nippers to remove the high ridges on the bar. Time efficency and horse comfort?
Is there a map to your heart?
When the toe is filled with sole and too vertically high, it only makes it "seem" like the quarters area has an arch, because you can't get down to a clean white line, without scooping the quarters. But the toe can both stretch forward and gain vertical height and you can still rather easity rasp into a clean white line. Many times it's damage is hidden behind what looks to be healthy.
great video, enjoyed it a lot! All the things II observed but never really knew why they were the way they where.. One question: do you ever measure the amount of concavity? I have been following a very similar mapping method for a year now and I seem to have gotten flatter feet. In one of your next videos, can you measure the concavity just for me to know that what I am observing is also what you are observing??
Does this measurement work with miniature horses and drafts or just riding horses?
Kelsie B it works with all horses, though the proportions may change
Rather than scoop the quarters, or that is "lower" the quarters as we do, we need to learn to take the toe down level with the quarters, get the wall growing back and the sole coming back under where it's supposed to be. all tightly connected and well fitted to the toe of the inner foot. (see below)
Whie feet should have off white sole. Valor's toes were solid off white, because in black soles often the lamiar serum is more whitish looking. But in white soles it will come out very yellow. After a while you learn to tell the difference between what is laminar harened serum and true sole.
I can't give you a definitive answer on that since I do not really know what is going on with your horses feet. But if you trimmed and also took the frogs down, how to you know for sure it's the frogs? How long were the frogs higher than the sole? Did you take them down durring a trim or some time afterwards. I've had horses get tender or sore for lots of reasons. If you are going to do corrective trimming it's bound to happen sooner or later and more than once.
Also: you are correcting the foot, things are changing internally, sometimes you have to tear down to rebuild, and it stands to reason horses may get uncomfortable, since living flesh is moving and heeling. You absolutely have to learn to cast the feet for support at those times. Watch the equicast videos on youtube, and order cheap fiberglass casting wrap , alto cast from suppliescentral to always have on hand durring the transition period.
Great video. I think the toe rocker is a major missing part of my trim. I noticed though that your heel buttresses look very short. I believe in your other videos you said that the heel buttress should be at least 1 inch high?
The only reason quarters seem to be scooped is because the toe is too vertially high and filled with a toe wedge (falsely called a callous). and it can get very thick and lift the toe of the foot up to a position where it's not supposed to be. Like as if you put an inch of board under the toe of your shoe and tried to walk around like that. Then since the quarters fill up back to the heel, you don't notice this happening. (see below)
...She likely went to the same school as your idiot; however, she has the intelligence and perseverance to go beyond the typical farrier IQ (some farriers are simple minded), which enables one to actually reverse damage such as white line disease, laminitis, backwards heel growth. I recently, last October 12th, 2014, bought a horse with the worse feet I have ever seen (undisclosed; equine com), it was the previous farrier that helped ruined her feet; cracks from base to coronet band, deep white line disease, severe laminitis, close to founder; I am not a professional farrier, I did not go to farrier school. This woman has done dissections' and research allowing us to learn, I am now saving horses from founder too. I started trimming when I was 11, I am now 42 yrs. old and a female. Bless "the happy hoof"
Interestingly enough to the right there is a video called Mosaic's Movie #2 with a picture of a hoof. The picture illustrates what eventually happens when a toe is allowed to get too vertically high and filled with sole wedge. Scooping the quarters, puts pressure on the toe pushing it up. The true inner foot does not have an arch like a humans. That is a complete and utter faliciy intvented by someone who did not know the toe on their horse was getting too vertically high. (see below)
I do not really scoop the quarters, but I level the whole foot from heel to toe. So that in essence you could put a shoe on it and there would be no gaps or high spots. The hoof is such a wierd geometrical shape, that for some reason we can't SEE how we can level the foot in the quarters with the toe and heels. But usually also the toe wall and sole had gained a distorted "VERTICAL" height, that needs to be taken DOWN. But people are afraid to rasp it down. (see below)
My horse has white feet, what colour is the live sole going to be? I realize that what Valour's feet look like is going to be a lot different because his feet are black..
The measurements you mention in this video should work on any type of horse or pony right?
Lucky horse! Awesome job!
The boarding facility contacted me today because my mare that arrived at their
facility yesterday was lame and in pain this morning due to previous well known
breeding/boarding facility trimming her feet too short (about 5 cm - less than 2
inches) and I didn't know they trimmed her feet before hauling her 135 miles.
Therefore, the Vet said that she needs to wear rubber boots on both front and
rear feet for 3 weeks and stay in a large stall then she can go into pasture.
Question's: Can this Thoroughbred Mare be ridden after her hooves grow out or
will her hooves have to be corrected over time since they were cut too short.
Also, should I put shoes on her after 3 weeks if she's tender footed.
I'm going to contact the previous facility on Monday since their farrier caused
this issue which cost me $400 (hopefully I'll get reimbursed).
The new facility uses Total Equine so I'm hoping her hooves will grow out quickly.
Gee, you're not asking much there ( : First you have to get down to the basic bar, which takes some time, several sessions over a week or two depending. Also the bars stretch forward with the whole foot, and because the whole foot from toe to heel is run forward. So you are just getting them in their basic anatomically correct shape, BUT to actually straighten them or get them correctly placed, this takes growth and the hoof correcting itself.
I'm in southeast Kansas.
what state are you in?
Thank you
Please note this is an old video and that you must also grow and restore your heels and not trim them out. I was taught through barefoot trimming and natural hoof care to trim the heel buttresses out. Then it does not matter what you do to the toe your whole foot is going to be screwed up.
excuse me but one must pair down the tip of the frog to where it "actually" meets the juncture of the sole for a accurate point of reference. I have not heard you mention the balance you are trying to achieve, why? you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the time! quit making up words to fit your narrative and seek out correct training before you just mark up a hoof to make it look like you know what you are doing
Then you wind up haveing low heels, because we can all pretty much lower heels. While at the same time the toe has been getting vertically higher and filling up with a compressed sole ridge, that tapers back and blends in towards the heels. Shaped like and apple wedge. At the same time the toe can also stretch forward. You have GOT to learn to remove sole, even in the toe. Because the foot will develope what I have come to call a "false toe".
you might consider add to the vid the theory physiologically in moving the toe this far back and this close to the tip
of the coffin bone. Visually, looks a little close to me, and one could imagine bruising inside the hoof or worse with the toe this close to coffin bone with any serious work by the horse. Just speculation, but think I'd be careful without knowing the whys and wherefores.
Learn how to sharpen your knife
"cresentric" is not a word. did you mean "crescentic"
Where did you go to farrier school? I dont believe they taught this as part of the curriculum and that you are taking this upon yourself to screw up these horses feet.
Man that's a dull knife!
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Surely you should find the apex of the frog before you do your measurements otherwise what you did was wasted and as shown you had to do it all over again? The poor animal needs a rest as your method takes too long.