Joined the USMC in Jan '84, stationed in 29 Palms, the middle of the Mojave - we were mostly on foot (81mm mortar platoon) and a lot of the time if they DID decide to drive us we hated it, because we sat in the bed sideways with a loud flapping canvas top and sucked diesel exhaust down our lungs the whole way! Definitely brought back memories... 🤣
Matt, I've been working in thee film business for 17+ yrs as a location manager/scout and have seen how stunts like this are designed, built and executed on some of hollywoods top films. Your setup, prop use and filming was spot on. It was very well done. I do however have a concern on your choice of actors. LOL. Well done to you and your crew.
Derek, they are family (ish). He can’t fire them, and barely has to pay them. He feeds them sometimes, and they keep coming back. Hollywood actors aren’t that devoted.💓💓💓💓💓😁
Bahhahahahahahahhaa. They are a cast of characters, aren't they? And I mean that as a compliment. I met them all the other day at lunch in Hurricane. They are truly genuine and really nice folks.
Matt Having served in the USAF for 27 years. Several things were missing from your 5 ton tractor. First that Cummins didn’t have a turbo. That makes all the difference in engine performance. 2. If you’re serious about one of these, locate one with the auto inflation setup. Push button selector on the right side of the shifter. If you select sand mode, it will automatically adjust tire pressure to run low and it goes through sand amazingly better than Rudy’s experience. I was in combat communications and we towed our radar to all kinds of places. Wolf hole being one down in the strip country. Believe me, you were given probably one of the worst 5 tons to try.
My immediate thought, too. We have a 6x6 Stewart & Stevenson built military fifth wheel tractor, similar configuration in our museum inventory. It has the plumbing on each wheel for the tire pressure maintenance system with a selector button module on the instrument panel. Those rock hard tires did what was expected in sand. That system will change according to the mode selected and should drop the tire pressures greatly to facilitate navigation through sand. You get oscillation between the axles as they gain and lose traction in the sand and that oscillation sets up the axle/chassis hop. I've seen 6x4 concrete mixer trucks w/full loads at construction sites suffer the same type of traction loss/gain axle hop with only the rear axles driving. And yes, they are kidney killers unloaded! But love those mil trucks!
Even if they did get the best possible version of this vehicle to test out, it likely locked several features compared to the wrecker that they did end up building. For example the wrecker is much smaller so it can do tight corners vastly better, this thing does not have rear steer the record eyes which further helps the whole corners thing.
Yes I agree, this rig need such an automatic airpressure adjustment, if not you had always to use a lover airpressure if you were not driving with heavy load. Once we had a 5 ton Iveco 4x4 with a much softer type of offroad tires. That rig followed our Land Rover Defender off road in rough terrain with sandy, mudder and swampy conditions. But as off road truck it had soft and long suspension travel, short wheelbase and single rear wheels, so that truck was a bit interesting to drive with full load on truck and trailer on winding country roads at dark nights in snowy an icy conditions. But with chains on all four driving wheels and lockers you would normally be able to drive to the spot. Of course nothing can stop the incredible self-built off road wrecker, but such as this short truck with 4x4, lockers front and rear, flat bed, crane and winches on the crane, front and rear on the truck, could bring out the small off roaders that often have broken wheels and axels.
That rattling drove me mad. I can take some chain rattling, as that just adds a bit of joy, but this would've sent me to a mental institution quite fast.
I'm watching the video, and when the 6x6 hits the first rut and Rudy gets tossed around, I say to myself, "Well, there go the kidneys." And the vid cuts to Matt saying, "I heard you need a kidney belt to ride in one of those things out here." God, I love this channel!
I grew up on a ranch that is at the base of the Great Sand Dunes national monument. We used and old army half track at first. We later used an older 5 ton and put Agricultural Balloon tires on it. We ran the tire pressure at 10#, it went everywhere in the sand and rode a lot better.
Yeah the whole time I was watching i kept saying "take the pressure out of the tires!" Those tires probably had 100+ psi in them. That truck has an air compressor and I'm sure it has an air chuck and a hose to air them back up. Some of those had tire inflation systems but most have been disabled by now cause they would leak all the time.
The 5 ton has automatic tire pressure air lines hooked up to the tires he would have to know how to turn that function off in order to drop the air pressure in the tires
I think those have automatic air pressure. So you can let air out of the tires from the cab, we had those when I was in the Army. I drove the cargo version which had that option for the tires.
@@alans6767 Some do, some don't. I don't know if the 5-ton trucks had CTIS. 7-ton trucks and the Army's MTVs and LMTVs are also some do, some don't. The GOV Planet website auctions off decommissioned military equipment. I bought a M1102 HUMVEE trailer from there.
I think it'd take forever to let the air out and then even longer to put it back in. Their whole trip doesn't look like it took more than an hour or two, so probably just not worth the effort.
19:35, those tyres are rock hard! Dropping the pressures will also ensure smooth traction, not the hopping you're currently experiencing (which also makes it useless off-road).
@@MrDeleocoI don't think it would have made enough of a difference to justify going with something like this over just building the wrecker that they did build. Whilst this thing could have been a useful stopgap measure whilst the wrecker was under construction, once the record was done then there would have been no purpose something like this could have served in their fleet.
I have been watching you channel for a few weeks now and I really enjoy your content. The one part of channel that is the most refreshing is how you don't push subscribing as if your very life was in danger. Keep up the great content!!
I wonder if these guys have seen the other Matt's truck on Demolition Ranch. His one of these went through a bit of a comfort conversation and removed the second rear axle.
Having been a truck driver in the army. I’ll say that’s about the worst truck they could’ve used for a comparison. Ran and I know it’s the one that they had available to them. But from the looks of it that truck had no CTIS system (Central tire inflation) I would’ve much rather see some thing with one of the Stewart Stevenson smaller trucks... But I’ll also say is mostly those big trucks have no business playing around in the sand they can do it but they’re not intended for it
@@fonzdedios6625 Yes, the air compressor on the 5-ton can refill the tires. They should have lowered the tire pressure in the sand. I don't remember what mil-spec is, will have to look it up.
Matt out front explaining how every safety precaution was taken . . . while guy behind him with no safety helmet, safety glasses, or safety boots swinging a sledgehammer over his head knocking out concrete blocks - classic MORR!! ;-)
Matt.. I would recommend an Unimog Truck.. As the next project vehicle :D One of the older ones from the 90s with the manual transmission and transfer case.
Or try to get your hands on a Mercedes G-Wagon 6x6 chassis. Those were originally designed for the Australian army and can easily fitted with portals like the G63 6x6 but with lots of space to make them into a wrecker. About a capable as the unimog with three lockers from the factory and 35" to 37" tires.
You guys live such an awesome life it's ridiculous. And it feels like you grow as a family in the same you're growing the production value of these videos. The last few months are really high value productions.
Definitely a wholesome environment! I love the way Matt takes care of his team, and I think Ed really rounds it out. A great balance of wisdom, and youthful enthusiasm.
I am envious of your family Matt... You guys have a blast together & the love for one another plus the care you all show for your clients is phenomenal. God has blessed you all immensely.
I have a friend who used to be in the army 6x6 through the sand in North Africa. He would go to the Mediterranean Coast to some town to pick up supplies diesel and water and then drive out on flotation tires across the desert back to the wherever the camp was located. He said it drove very well when he let the air pressure down on the tires.
Ed..! You touch our hearts with Your deep rooted knowledge, and willingness to share it. Together You're a well working team, and we're many Norwegians who follow Your advetures. The Morwair is a fabulous build..! Cudos to the edit team..
having driven that particular type of truck in the desert it helps to use the CTIS and air down for the sand. The faster you drive to smoother the ride.
Definitely need to air down the tires. The bad thing is that is a hauling rig and you’ll need a 5 ton wrecker that has the weight. Plus another thing you could do is add a turbo to that engine. Because that is what is lacking in those old rigs. I remember my old 5 ton wrecker. But the best one of all is the hemmit wrecker that is 10 tons.
I think a M107A1 PLS would be better than the 5 ton. I drove one in the guard and I don't think there's anywhere that it couldn't go, pretty easy to drive too.
@@SgtAl hey sarg the m107a1 is a great truck but if they are gonna spend the money for one of them then add an additional 30k and buy the granddaddy of all trucks and buy the M1074 PLS. You could take it to pike's Peak n back in the puppy. I got a buddy in Flagstaff Az who has a couple of these trucks converted into wreckers and u know how deep the snow gets up there. He has put 6 towing companies outta business. I did a ride along where there was a 200 car pile up with more than half were semi trucks and he hooked up with Yankum towing straps and was able to pull to tractors at a time with that 1074..
I think if you custom built a 6x6 it’d be a good asset for your rescue and recovery business. Not only can it haul tonnage, it’d be a giant advertisement piece.
Nothing wrong with the tyres, it needs ballasting up some and the pressures dropped right down. A good one would have had onboard inflation. Are flotation tyres road legal at those speeds? He's got to get to and from.
@Mike Walters Good point. Now Rudy needs a good retired operator to show him how to traverse sand successfully. A little Drivers Ed wouldn't go amiss, that's a lot to go wrong.
I was like look at that 6X6 , all locked in all that power. What a manly vehicle , then Rudy hit horn. Who would put a Yugo horn in something like that. LMAO
To use that as a recovery rig you would need to soften the suspension, including better dampening. That thing is designed to pull a heavy trailer off-road, something you wouldn't be doing.
This would be a good build for a wrecker, but the M-916 will already have the equipment you need for recover because it’s already a wrecker. A good option for the area you will be using it, is a 2 1/2 ton (deuce) M35A3 that has been bobbed and run it on air bags instead of springs! NOW you’re talk recovery vehicle. You can winch front and rear, plus it’s heavy enough to use as an anchor for angle or lateral pulls!
You need a 5 ton with a functional auto inflate system for the tires and type of terrain will make the ride a little easier on the kidneys. You can also get them in a crane truck version or they have a model with a 20-30,000lb winch.
I loved those trucks, That was the highlight of my military time. Loved every minute of it. I may be mistaken , but that truck has a CTIS that can air down the tires to help with sand, mud, snow, and highway speeds and terrain.
Concrete truck drive tires are often super wide and floaty (balloon tire)ish . Get 4 of those , drop an axle and massively reduce the weight . Dump 3/4 of the spring pack , cut away every piece of the unit not needed to pull a pickup truck out of the sand . WOW , what overkill . Like hunting mosquitoes with a Barrett ! LOL !
Make the 6x6 into a wrecker with air ride seats for sure or put a deck on it for a heavy hauler either for rescues or hauling you other rigs (Banana, Morvair) to other jobs eg. In mud and snow. Just an idea. Make a nice snow plow with a blade in front possibly as well. Enjoy your channel immensely here in Alberta, Canada 🇨🇦
Ya, won't act like I know what I'm talkiing about and what you're saying also makes sense. That level of off roading generally exceeds my experience. :)
I use the work on and drive those trucks for 15 years in the service, and yes it helps to have some sort of kidney belt mainly in sand and mud. Love the channel and that truck brings back a lot of memories.
I have been driving truck in the oilfield (mainly off highway) tandems don’t do well in soft surfaces, they tend to wheel hop as you noticed, drop one of the back axles, so it’s basically a big FWD. it would surprise you the difference it makes, it won’t make it any faster or improve the ride much, but it will go a lot further before it gets Stuck, if it gets stuck at all.
Yep one only need to watch the support trucks at races such as Dakar in order to see what the big trucks are capable of if set up for the task at hand. Dakar 2021: Take a Closer Look at the Kamaz Rally Trucks - TH-cam
Yes!! Banana vs Corvair 🙌 You know I love that XJ but I’m afraid it will lose to your new awesome beast. Rudy- you were hilarious while holding in your lunch! And handling the 5-Ton!! Great video! ❤️🐞
You should definitely team up with the Heavy D group of guys and maybe try out some of their machines if possible. They definitely build capable machines and it would be great for both TH-cam channels as well. It’s a win win
I saw that they had some long valves to the tyres, and that made me think of retro-fitting an automatic tyre pressure system, like some asphalt trucks uses. That way you they can adjust the pressure when they hit the sand. I think Matt did that manually a couple of times on his banana. On Swamp Loggers, Bobby's trucks have the tyre inflation system, and it only takes the push of a button for the tyres to fill up when they get out onto the asphalt. But yeah, the tyres on the truck were pretty damn solid, which made it difficult to ride in the sand. Matt should've told'em, or they should've remembered that you always deflate your tyres when riding on sand or deep snow. On Top Gear, Hamster raced against one of these, that had been rebuilt as an autonomous truck and the first thing the operator did when the truck was going more off road than they were, was to deflate the tyres, to maximise the grip.
Likely won't matter. The sidewalls of those tires are likely too stiff ot allow for them to deform and flatten out. The rear tires are usually dual. I wonder if they make extra wide tires. That would give more floatation. I wonder if a Unimog would be better for what you all need. Or maybe a Military LMTV.
@@e.c.8668 The1986 4x4 LMTV that I worked on last year had a central tire inflation system. Dropping the pressure from 75psi to 15psi would make the contact patch 5x larger, even with stiff sidewalls 🙂
I thought that too, then I thought, these guys are "experts" they know or "know" exactly what they are doing and why, so they must be intentionally running hard tire pressure when they know soft will go through anything, but my former student that used to make those Steward and Stevenson trucks scream across Iraq is not here to ask,,, but I am sure many many drivers of those Texas made trucks know how to really run them through any terrain. **I think they wanted a "hard tire" baseline to compare to in the future for whatever reason.
@@bradaltemeyer4472 maybe they didnt consider it. or didnt want to try due to having to drive it on the asphalt on the trip back. lots of things we don´t know.
Y'know, the main issue is it's essentially unladen. Although it's rated by the military for 5 tons, chances are it could actually carry 15... If I was gonna make one purely for recovery I'd look at removing some leaves from the springs so it's more complaint and smoother riding, you don't need the carrying capacity unless you plan on doing suspended tows on really big stuff.
I saw a video where they bobbed a Deuce, dropped the furthest rear axle making it a 4x4, I mean if you aren't carrying a heavy load, you don't need so many wheels.
How many "cuts" with the knife to make mashed taters?? only one hit with the hammer. its all about job requirements. If you havent seen it, Casey used his 5 ton to pull out a 30 ton Prevost bus from the lakebed. there is a time and place for the bigger stuff.
Seems like the 5 ton could be made a lot more capable by airing down the tires and softening the suspension. But then again, the wrecker (which they put together well after this video came out) wipes the floor with a 5 ton in every category except maybe raw towing since the 5 ton has more weight and more traction (owing to the extra axle). I cant wait to see what they do with the spud truck.
Honestly, a LMTV might be the sweet spot for the work y'all do. The M1078, it'll hold 2.5 tons of payload, or a M1083, if you need the extra payload capacity and a third axle, that'll do 5 tons. Also, both have the Central Tire Inflation System (CTIS) on board. I'd be really interested in if y'all would take a look at both of them.
I definitely think they could benefit from having something a lil heavier. Especially when they're hauling busted side by sides out on a trailer out of a rocky sandy dunes.
Thank you 🙏. That was a really fun video to watch. Some of you’re best ideas is when you’re not to busy working the tow side. Who ever is coming up with these ideas …. Pat on the back!
Remove a few springs or add some weight to that rear end. Minimizer has air ride seats available.. might just might keep those kidneys intact. Airing down the tires could help also. Love how the morvaire turned out cant wait to see how this Frankenstein turns out.
I’d love to see how you’d get on with a Mercedes Unimog. On board tire deflation would make a huge difference to both ride quality and sand floatation. 😎
Was in a recovery unit in the military. A 4X4 truck would work better for your line of work. Just my 5 cenys worth. We had a Samil 50 with 2 X 750 Holmes winches on with booms. And it didn't shake half as much as the 6X6 we had. Just watching your channel brings back somuch memories. Keep it up. FANTASTIC!!!!
Another great video guys and gals! This had me in tears watching Rudy and Trevor bounce around the dunes. I feel their pain. Reminded me of my time in the Army driving 5 tons through the desert at Fort Irwin. I’m thinking a 5ton wrecker with the auto tire pressure system would work better than a bob-tail
My main recovery vehicle at Fort Irwin was M578 recovery track and the old 5 ton wrecker. If they couldn't do it , they were airlifted. Crazy times in that desert.
Agree with a diesel powered 6x6 wrecker, just a lighter, more nimble version. Mind you I love the 5 ton, agree with others, using the CTI system to air down would’ve helped tremendously...
Good MORRning. It’s always a good day when MORR posts a video. Now that the MORRVAIR is part of the recovery operations, it adds that much more excitement to the recoveries. Stay safe and have a good day.
I enjoyed it. You also scared the begeebers out of me when I first saw it. My minds eye could see 80 pounds of steel chasing the stern of the truck. I HAVE seen stumps, and bumpers come through the rear window of tow vehicles. I was fully faked out. Thanks !!
The better vehicle for heavy duty would be the MTVR MK36 which is the 7ton wrecker option by oshkosh. That has tires that are adjustable from the cab for sand and other elements. That would be great for large vehicle recovery like RV's and trailers but for getting up in the middle of a small trail you will be better off with a Jeep or truck. I have an idea for a better option vs flat tow. I think it could be a game changer in the recovery world.
I adore how your videos flow . I subbed a while back, directly after clicking on a vid. At that point I paused and subbed. I adore how you incorporate everyone in the videos, it take a team and everyone has a part, strength. For example I like when y'all are on the road and we also get the weather report🦋
Drop the air pressure, take a few leafs out and swap in a pair of Air Ride seats from a Semi. Then you might be able to ride in it but the weight is still going to be an issue. The springs on those things are like a solid mount if there's no load.
I think Deuce and a Half axles on 4 links and coils under an old suburban with the rear 1/4 of the roof cut off for the wrecker bits (so they still have the 4 doors for crew) would be interesting and capable. 5 Ton and air brakes is a bit much.
I think your next project should be that cab over pickup, turn into beefy 4x4, that thing be cool when finished. Was that Ed's home in background at 3:00, lol, it looks like he just came out of there I noticed on the 5 ton, the tires way over pressurized when they drove out the tow yard, only the center two ribs of the treads cleaned off on road, the outer nub, lugs on tire, stayed dirty
I'd love to see another comparison with a hemtt wrecker and a MRV, although a know the MRV is pretty hard to get ahold of. Some of the Hemtt wreckers have systems to air up and down the tires to different conditions. like highway, snow, mud and sand. You can get one stuck in highway mode, set it to sand mode, and drive right out.
Matt take a look at the M1088 Stewart Stevenson 6X6. You can find them on Government Planet surplus sales they are much more capable than the 5 tons. You can air down the tires on the move then air them back up on the move. They are earlier models and parts are available right off the shelf. It's also possible to change the ring and pinion for fuel savings and cruising speeds of 70 MPH. They use Allison 5 speed Transmissions with Eaton Transfer cases. They are fantastic in sand. The basic truck at auction starts at 3,600 dollars. Well worth checking out.
Bob the 5 ton and get rid of the second rear axle and air down the tires and it will ride so much better off road. It will also give it a much sharper turning area.
Great episode. Notice how the tire hop was much worse on the rear axles. Needs weight back there I think maybe 1,500 lbs between the rear axles and 40 psi in the tires. At least that's what 20 yrs driving heavy 2 to up to 5 axle rigs offroad is telling me. Never go bobtailing in sand, you will hear a big bang as you snap a driveline. Cheers!
This video is awesome! Matt and Rudy were hilarious. Lizzy is so cool and she's so genuine on camera. Wish she was still a regular.
That was called a new 5 ton when I joined the army in 1987. And it was called a old 5 ton when I got out in 2013. Thanks for the memories.
Thank you for your service, the new 5 ton is so weak compared to that one... but way smoother though and it has A/C
Joined the USMC in Jan '84, stationed in 29 Palms, the middle of the Mojave - we were mostly on foot (81mm mortar platoon) and a lot of the time if they DID decide to drive us we hated it, because we sat in the bed sideways with a loud flapping canvas top and sucked diesel exhaust down our lungs the whole way! Definitely brought back memories... 🤣
thanks for your service!
Thank you for your service
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Just another 5 ton tractor in 1970 .
Matt, I've been working in thee film business for 17+ yrs as a location manager/scout and have seen how stunts like this are designed, built and executed on some of hollywoods top films. Your setup, prop use and filming was spot on. It was very well done. I do however have a concern on your choice of actors. LOL. Well done to you and your crew.
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Work with what you got 🤷♂️
Derek, they are family (ish). He can’t fire them, and barely has to pay them. He feeds them sometimes, and they keep coming back. Hollywood actors aren’t that devoted.💓💓💓💓💓😁
It was a brilliant production... I laughed 'till I hurt!! Yeah, the players are all a bit 'sketchy'... ;) Brilliant stuff.
Bahhahahahahahahhaa. They are a cast of characters, aren't they? And I mean that as a compliment. I met them all the other day at lunch in Hurricane. They are truly genuine and really nice folks.
Matt
Having served in the USAF for 27 years. Several things were missing from your 5 ton tractor. First that Cummins didn’t have a turbo. That makes all the difference in engine performance.
2. If you’re serious about one of these, locate one with the auto inflation setup. Push button selector on the right side of the shifter. If you select sand mode, it will automatically adjust tire pressure to run low and it goes through sand amazingly better than Rudy’s experience.
I was in combat communications and we towed our radar to all kinds of places. Wolf hole being one down in the strip country. Believe me, you were given probably one of the worst 5 tons to try.
My immediate thought, too. We have a 6x6 Stewart & Stevenson built military fifth wheel tractor, similar configuration in our museum inventory. It has the plumbing on each wheel for the tire pressure maintenance system with a selector button module on the instrument panel. Those rock hard tires did what was expected in sand. That system will change according to the mode selected and should drop the tire pressures greatly to facilitate navigation through sand. You get oscillation between the axles as they gain and lose traction in the sand and that oscillation sets up the axle/chassis hop. I've seen 6x4 concrete mixer trucks w/full loads at construction sites suffer the same type of traction loss/gain axle hop with only the rear axles driving. And yes, they are kidney killers unloaded! But love those mil trucks!
Even if they did get the best possible version of this vehicle to test out, it likely locked several features compared to the wrecker that they did end up building. For example the wrecker is much smaller so it can do tight corners vastly better, this thing does not have rear steer the record eyes which further helps the whole corners thing.
Yes I agree, this rig need such an automatic airpressure adjustment, if not you had always to use a lover airpressure if you were not driving with heavy load. Once we had a 5 ton Iveco 4x4 with a much softer type of offroad tires. That rig followed our Land Rover Defender off road in rough terrain with sandy, mudder and swampy conditions. But as off road truck it had soft and long suspension travel, short wheelbase and single rear wheels, so that truck was a bit interesting to drive with full load on truck and trailer on winding country roads at dark nights in snowy an icy conditions. But with chains on all four driving wheels and lockers you would normally be able to drive to the spot.
Of course nothing can stop the incredible self-built off road wrecker, but such as this short truck with 4x4, lockers front and rear, flat bed, crane and winches on the crane, front and rear on the truck, could bring out the small off roaders that often have broken wheels and axels.
Office will eventually be an apartment for Ed. Matt is a great guy, he realy cares for Ed. Love the channel.
Nothing is too good for Ed!!! Ed IS this channel for me!!!
Never a bad thing to have someone hanging out all night
@Bill Rayvan
Between you and "George Orwell", I don't know who is the most uncouth.
@Bill Rayvan and yet he’s still got more class and respect than you do
@Bill Rayvan Have some respect. Even if it's a teaspoon.
The jingle of the chains would drive me more nuts than the ride on washboard.
The chains rattling is for the spare tire tackle.
I'd love to see him test a Afghan jingly truck haha
bro, only noticed it really after you mentioned it , jajaja
That rattling drove me mad. I can take some chain rattling, as that just adds a bit of joy, but this would've sent me to a mental institution quite fast.
Big props to whoever edited that wall pull scene!
I'm watching the video, and when the 6x6 hits the first rut and Rudy gets tossed around, I say to myself, "Well, there go the kidneys." And the vid cuts to Matt saying, "I heard you need a kidney belt to ride in one of those things out here." God, I love this channel!
I grew up on a ranch that is at the base of the Great Sand Dunes national monument. We used and old army half track at first. We later used an older 5 ton and put Agricultural Balloon tires on it. We ran the tire pressure at 10#, it went everywhere in the sand and rode a lot better.
I was wondering why they didn't do that
Yeah the whole time I was watching i kept saying "take the pressure out of the tires!" Those tires probably had 100+ psi in them. That truck has an air compressor and I'm sure it has an air chuck and a hose to air them back up. Some of those had tire inflation systems but most have been disabled by now cause they would leak all the time.
@@Bloodbain88 Me too. The whole way through.
The 5 ton has automatic tire pressure air lines hooked up to the tires he would have to know how to turn that function off in order to drop the air pressure in the tires
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Damn Trevor can backflip too, I hope he got that raise!
I am really surprised that Rudy didn't stop and let a bunch of air out of the tires
Yeah, I was thinking the same, it would probably help a lot...
I think those have automatic air pressure. So you can let air out of the tires from the cab, we had those when I was in the Army. I drove the cargo version which had that option for the tires.
@@alans6767 you can see the system in the wheels. It's there.
@@alans6767 Some do, some don't. I don't know if the 5-ton trucks had CTIS. 7-ton trucks and the Army's MTVs and LMTVs are also some do, some don't. The GOV Planet website auctions off decommissioned military equipment. I bought a M1102 HUMVEE trailer from there.
I think it'd take forever to let the air out and then even longer to put it back in. Their whole trip doesn't look like it took more than an hour or two, so probably just not worth the effort.
19:35, those tyres are rock hard! Dropping the pressures will also ensure smooth traction, not the hopping you're currently experiencing (which also makes it useless off-road).
Wouldn't hurt to have a little more weight on the tail end. Your heavy in the front and lite in the back
Tire presssure would have made tremendous difference.
@@MrDeleocoI don't think it would have made enough of a difference to justify going with something like this over just building the wrecker that they did build. Whilst this thing could have been a useful stopgap measure whilst the wrecker was under construction, once the record was done then there would have been no purpose something like this could have served in their fleet.
I have been watching you channel for a few weeks now and I really enjoy your content. The one part of channel that is the most refreshing is how you don't push subscribing as if your very life was in danger. Keep up the great content!!
I totally agree with you Theron, a lot of channels ask for you to like and subscribe before you even watch to see if you like it.
When a channel speaks for itself, there's no need to beg for subs.
Take the 5-ton to the scene of the last recovery. I want to see it handle a 40-degree slope.
I honestly felt a little sketched out when Rudy was crawling up those rocks.
Picture a winch on the back with two miles of cable and 48 snatch blocks for the trees and rock anchor points.
That would be awesome. However backing that beast back down would be a trick, Otherwise, it would be a 43 point U-turn. Yikes
Honestly I bet it was 45°
I wonder if these guys have seen the other Matt's truck on Demolition Ranch. His one of these went through a bit of a comfort conversation and removed the second rear axle.
Damn Rudy, drop the air pressure in the tires son lol
for sure you'd think they would have been paying close attention to that, guess they were distracted by a different vehicle
@@cstrong9868 I don't know if they have a compressor with enough power to air back up.
Having been a truck driver in the army. I’ll say that’s about the worst truck they could’ve used for a comparison. Ran and I know it’s the one that they had available to them. But from the looks of it that truck had no CTIS system (Central tire inflation) I would’ve much rather see some thing with one of the Stewart Stevenson smaller trucks... But I’ll also say is mostly those big trucks have no business playing around in the sand they can do it but they’re not intended for it
@@fonzdedios6625 the 900 series 5 ton come with a onboard tire inflation system
@@fonzdedios6625 Yes, the air compressor on the 5-ton can refill the tires. They should have lowered the tire pressure in the sand. I don't remember what mil-spec is, will have to look it up.
I really like Ed a lot!! Always happy to see him. Would love to give him a good hug!
Matt out front explaining how every safety precaution was taken . . . while guy behind him with no safety helmet, safety glasses, or safety boots swinging a sledgehammer over his head knocking out concrete blocks - classic MORR!! ;-)
You know they did that just for comments like this, right. I mean, the ball cap, sneakers and shorts. It’s not quite the MORR uniform, but it’s close
Matt.. I would recommend an Unimog Truck.. As the next project vehicle :D One of the older ones from the 90s with the manual transmission and transfer case.
I second the Unimog vote!
I would have built a tricked out grand wagoner with beefy axles lockers and a ls you could still have AC
the corvair is a novelty to me
Love it how people who have never driven a mog recommend it, they are gutless heaps of shit that still hop n bog
Or try to get your hands on a Mercedes G-Wagon 6x6 chassis. Those were originally designed for the Australian army and can easily fitted with portals like the G63 6x6 but with lots of space to make them into a wrecker. About a capable as the unimog with three lockers from the factory and 35" to 37" tires.
SHERP..... if your going to spend unimog or g wagon money
You guys live such an awesome life it's ridiculous. And it feels like you grow as a family in the same you're growing the production value of these videos. The last few months are really high value productions.
Definitely a wholesome environment!
I love the way Matt takes care of his team, and I think Ed really rounds it out. A great balance of wisdom, and youthful enthusiasm.
I am envious of your family Matt... You guys have a blast together & the love for one another plus the care you all show for your clients is phenomenal. God has blessed you all immensely.
I have a friend who used to be in the army 6x6 through the sand in North Africa. He would go to the Mediterranean Coast to some town to pick up supplies diesel and water and then drive out on flotation tires across the desert back to the wherever the camp was located. He said it drove very well when he let the air pressure down on the tires.
Ed..!
You touch our hearts with Your deep rooted knowledge, and willingness to share it.
Together You're a well working team, and we're many Norwegians who follow Your advetures.
The Morwair is a fabulous build..! Cudos to the edit team..
You bet!
Ed’s the man!!
having driven that particular type of truck in the desert it helps to use the CTIS and air down for the sand. The faster you drive to smoother the ride.
Thank you for your service
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Definitely need to air down the tires. The bad thing is that is a hauling rig and you’ll need a 5 ton wrecker that has the weight. Plus another thing you could do is add a turbo to that engine. Because that is what is lacking in those old rigs. I remember my old 5 ton wrecker. But the best one of all is the hemmit wrecker that is 10 tons.
I think a M107A1 PLS would be better than the 5 ton. I drove one in the guard and I don't think there's anywhere that it couldn't go, pretty easy to drive too.
@@SgtAl hey sarg the m107a1 is a great truck but if they are gonna spend the money for one of them then add an additional 30k and buy the granddaddy of all trucks and buy the M1074 PLS. You could take it to pike's Peak n back in the puppy. I got a buddy in Flagstaff Az who has a couple of these trucks converted into wreckers and u know how deep the snow gets up there. He has put 6 towing companies outta business. I did a ride along where there was a 200 car pile up with more than half were semi trucks and he hooked up with Yankum towing straps and was able to pull to tractors at a time with that 1074..
@@rockyperez2828 No argument from me on that.
I think if you custom built a 6x6 it’d be a good asset for your rescue and recovery business. Not only can it haul tonnage, it’d be a giant advertisement piece.
Put of set of flotation tires on that baby like the fertilizer Trucks use , I bet it would be completely different in the sand!!!👌😁
Nothing wrong with the tyres, it needs ballasting up some and the pressures dropped right down. A good one would have had onboard inflation. Are flotation tyres road legal at those speeds? He's got to get to and from.
It looks like it has CTIS. At least on the rear axles.
Ag tires
@Mike Walters Good point. Now Rudy needs a good retired operator to show him how to traverse sand successfully. A little Drivers Ed wouldn't go amiss, that's a lot to go wrong.
I was like look at that 6X6 , all locked in all that power. What a manly vehicle , then Rudy hit horn. Who would put a Yugo horn in something like that. LMAO
Lot of em have junk horns, I got a new Harley years back Damn horn meep meep. Turned right the hell around n bought the upgraded airhorn hahaha.
To use that as a recovery rig you would need to soften the suspension, including better dampening. That thing is designed to pull a heavy trailer off-road, something you wouldn't be doing.
This would be a good build for a wrecker, but the M-916 will already have the equipment you need for recover because it’s already a wrecker. A good option for the area you will be using it, is a 2 1/2 ton (deuce) M35A3 that has been bobbed and run it on air bags instead of springs! NOW you’re talk recovery vehicle. You can winch front and rear, plus it’s heavy enough to use as an anchor for angle or lateral pulls!
You need a 5 ton with a functional auto inflate system for the tires and type of terrain will make the ride a little easier on the kidneys. You can also get them in a crane truck version or they have a model with a 20-30,000lb winch.
@Bad Joke Biden I said functional as not to many surplus trucks have a working system or a system at all like the one in the video.
Not too many active duty 5 tons had a functional CTI either.
So many good lines in this from Trevor: "TO THE 5 TON"! "So, you mean you're a wimp?" The look on Rudy's face!
those are NOT wimpy arms !! Set him straight Rudy !!
Yes, that look...priceless.... then off to the next shot!
Totally need a wrecker, they're kind of handy at times. Great video as always guys.
I loved those trucks, That was the highlight of my military time. Loved every minute of it. I may be mistaken , but that truck has a CTIS that can air down the tires to help with sand, mud, snow, and highway speeds and terrain.
“Let me a weather report from Ed”
Ed, ready to go. On the spot. Not a second lost.
GET YOU SOME ED!!
"Ed, what's the weather t-"
"HOT."
lmao, I love Ed!
That reveal scene was hilarious. Great job coming up with something clever and funny!
The smile on Rudy's face when he started out of the yard was perfect. Would love a $20 massager off Amazon, the bouncier the ride the better
Concrete truck drive tires are often super wide and floaty (balloon tire)ish . Get 4 of those , drop an axle and massively reduce the weight . Dump 3/4 of the spring pack , cut away every piece of the unit not needed to pull a pickup truck out of the sand . WOW , what overkill . Like hunting mosquitoes with a Barrett ! LOL !
The chains, oh my god the noise from those chains. Headphone users beware!
Bungee cords must be 'spensive as heck in AZ.
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Trevor and Rudy the dynamic duo!! Those two had me cracking up.
In the words of Bob the Builder, ‘Can we build it??!! Yes we can!!’ In my words, ‘Should you build it??!! Yes you should!!’
I totally agree!
Make the 6x6 into a wrecker with air ride seats for sure or put a deck on it for a heavy hauler either for rescues or hauling you other rigs (Banana, Morvair) to other jobs eg. In mud and snow. Just an idea. Make a nice snow plow with a blade in front possibly as well.
Enjoy your channel immensely here in Alberta, Canada 🇨🇦
The 6x6 had the tyres pumped to hard. Keep up the great content
Yeah, was hoping they'd play with the tire settings. I never used them that much, but thought it was cool they were an option.
@@chrisceykovsky the tires had nothing to do with it. there was no weight on the back of the 5 ton.
Ya, won't act like I know what I'm talkiing about and what you're saying also makes sense. That level of off roading generally exceeds my experience. :)
I use the work on and drive those trucks for 15 years in the service, and yes it helps to have some sort of kidney belt mainly in sand and mud. Love the channel and that truck brings back a lot of memories.
I have been driving truck in the oilfield (mainly off highway) tandems don’t do well in soft surfaces, they tend to wheel hop as you noticed, drop one of the back axles, so it’s basically a big FWD. it would surprise you the difference it makes, it won’t make it any faster or improve the ride much, but it will go a lot further before it gets Stuck, if it gets stuck at all.
Yep one only need to watch the support trucks at races such as Dakar in order to see what the big trucks are capable of if set up for the task at hand. Dakar 2021: Take a Closer Look at the Kamaz Rally Trucks - TH-cam
I thought there wasn't enough weight over the tandems!
Lizzy rocks , howdy howdy & she gets rowdy . You guys all are awesome & your channel rocks . & no no for the 6x6 for your area . Love you guys
U guys have been my favorite youtube channels these few months. Keep up the good work u are killing it. Greetings from Finland
Yes!! Banana vs Corvair 🙌 You know I love that XJ but I’m afraid it will lose to your new awesome beast.
Rudy- you were hilarious while holding in your lunch! And handling the 5-Ton!!
Great video! ❤️🐞
Yes I would absolutely love for y’all to build an off road wrecker!
"I went this way for comfort" I lost it when Rudy said that.
Maybe a stop at the Kenworth shop would be a good idea. Buy the best air-ride seat you can find (OK, buy 2 of them) !!!!! 😊
"have you ever ridden in a Cadillac Trevor? This is not that" had me rolling!
Off-Road wrecker for sure! It was super rad watching your buddy's one on that recent recovery, even if the boom smacked the hood lol
You should definitely team up with the Heavy D group of guys and maybe try out some of their machines if possible. They definitely build capable machines and it would be great for both TH-cam channels as well. It’s a win win
What tire pressures was the 6x6 running? Looked like a rock hard 80psi! Should have a "sand" button in the cab to deflate to 15psi or so :)
I saw that they had some long valves to the tyres, and that made me think of retro-fitting an automatic tyre pressure system, like some asphalt trucks uses. That way you they can adjust the pressure when they hit the sand. I think Matt did that manually a couple of times on his banana. On Swamp Loggers, Bobby's trucks have the tyre inflation system, and it only takes the push of a button for the tyres to fill up when they get out onto the asphalt. But yeah, the tyres on the truck were pretty damn solid, which made it difficult to ride in the sand. Matt should've told'em, or they should've remembered that you always deflate your tyres when riding on sand or deep snow. On Top Gear, Hamster raced against one of these, that had been rebuilt as an autonomous truck and the first thing the operator did when the truck was going more off road than they were, was to deflate the tyres, to maximise the grip.
Likely won't matter. The sidewalls of those tires are likely too stiff ot allow for them to deform and flatten out.
The rear tires are usually dual. I wonder if they make extra wide tires. That would give more floatation.
I wonder if a Unimog would be better for what you all need. Or maybe a Military LMTV.
@@e.c.8668 The1986 4x4 LMTV that I worked on last year had a central tire inflation system. Dropping the pressure from 75psi to 15psi would make the contact patch 5x larger, even with stiff sidewalls 🙂
I thought that too, then I thought, these guys are "experts" they know or "know" exactly what they are doing and why, so they must be intentionally running hard tire pressure when they know soft will go through anything, but my former student that used to make those Steward and Stevenson trucks scream across Iraq is not here to ask,,, but I am sure many many drivers of those Texas made trucks know how to really run them through any terrain.
**I think they wanted a "hard tire" baseline to compare to in the future for whatever reason.
@@bradaltemeyer4472 maybe they didnt consider it. or didnt want to try due to having to drive it on the asphalt on the trip back. lots of things we don´t know.
Y'know, the main issue is it's essentially unladen. Although it's rated by the military for 5 tons, chances are it could actually carry 15... If I was gonna make one purely for recovery I'd look at removing some leaves from the springs so it's more complaint and smoother riding, you don't need the carrying capacity unless you plan on doing suspended tows on really big stuff.
This
i like that idea ...Mat do you?
I saw a video where they bobbed a Deuce, dropped the furthest rear axle making it a 4x4, I mean if you aren't carrying a heavy load, you don't need so many wheels.
5 tons is pretty close to the top weight per mil spec. Hence the reason they have the M-936 wrecker to replace the M-816 manual tranny....
"Quick! Trevor, to the 5 ton!" LOL
Liked the part where Trevor does the rotating jump-off too!
Trevor and Rudy running to the 5 ton was the fastest part of the 5 ton....just sayin’.
Na na na na na na na na FIVE TON!!
the banana vs the 5 ton is like a comparing a paring knife to a sledge hammer lol
Sledge-O-Magic you can make French Fry’s BUT you gotta hit that potato “just right” great for watermelons toooooo
How many "cuts" with the knife to make mashed taters?? only one hit with the hammer. its all about job requirements. If you havent seen it, Casey used his 5 ton to pull out a 30 ton Prevost bus from the lakebed. there is a time and place for the bigger stuff.
It was the match we never knew we wanted.
@@paledawgoffroad3743 not sure what happened between Matt and Casey... Neither is in each other's channel any more.
@@clearingbaffles gee what became of GALLAGHER ? 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Seems like the 5 ton could be made a lot more capable by airing down the tires and softening the suspension. But then again, the wrecker (which they put together well after this video came out) wipes the floor with a 5 ton in every category except maybe raw towing since the 5 ton has more weight and more traction (owing to the extra axle). I cant wait to see what they do with the spud truck.
I've driven bobtail many times, without weight trucks ride rough even on the highway, can't imagine the ride they were getting lol.
The 5 ton is as capable as your pain tolerance allows it to be.
Awesome vid! I thought i was watching the next installment in the Mad Max series.
Honestly, a LMTV might be the sweet spot for the work y'all do. The M1078, it'll hold 2.5 tons of payload, or a M1083, if you need the extra payload capacity and a third axle, that'll do 5 tons. Also, both have the Central Tire Inflation System (CTIS) on board.
I'd be really interested in if y'all would take a look at both of them.
I definitely think they could benefit from having something a lil heavier. Especially when they're hauling busted side by sides out on a trailer out of a rocky sandy dunes.
Thank you 🙏. That was a really fun video to watch. Some of you’re best ideas is when you’re not to busy working the tow side. Who ever is coming up with these ideas …. Pat on the back!
Need a air ride sear In that truck 😂 A little tip, get one out of a sprinter van👌
I love Ed, such a kind soul
Not just Ed but the whole family. Really great.😊✅
Trevor (and Rudy) were awesome on those backflips.
Remove a few springs or add some weight to that rear end. Minimizer has air ride seats available.. might just might keep those kidneys intact. Airing down the tires could help also. Love how the morvaire turned out cant wait to see how this Frankenstein turns out.
I’d love to see how you’d get on with a Mercedes Unimog. On board tire deflation would make a huge difference to both ride quality and sand floatation. 😎
A Mog is about 6,000 lb lighter. Without them box on the 6x6 maybe 5,000 lb.
I put an air seat in my 5ton and it made a world of difference! Working ctis would be best for airing down and even bobbing it to 4x4 might work good!
A bobbed deuce with CTIS, air ride seats, singles with appropriate tires, and a real tow truck body would probably work better than a 5 ton...
I'd LOVE to see your version of a scratch built offroad wrecker! We know you'd kill it!
Was in a recovery unit in the military. A 4X4 truck would work better for your line of work. Just my 5 cenys worth. We had a Samil 50 with 2 X 750 Holmes winches on with booms. And it didn't shake half as much as the 6X6 we had. Just watching your channel brings back somuch memories. Keep it up. FANTASTIC!!!!
Put a 2k-3k weight on the back tires and see how much better is does AND let some air out just like a military driver would.
The MORR team & a cup of coffee : Sunday’s don’t get better than this !
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I’m absolutely impressed with trevors flip that was sweet
I thought Carl Edwards retired. ;)
Another great video guys and gals! This had me in tears watching Rudy and Trevor bounce around the dunes. I feel their pain. Reminded me of my time in the Army driving 5 tons through the desert at Fort Irwin. I’m thinking a 5ton wrecker with the auto tire pressure system would work better than a bob-tail
My main recovery vehicle at Fort Irwin was M578 recovery track and the old 5 ton wrecker. If they couldn't do it , they were airlifted. Crazy times in that desert.
Thanks for explaining how you did that stunt... I thought it was hilarious!
The way this rig looks when it’s in the sand gives me mad max vibes lol
Agree with a diesel powered 6x6 wrecker, just a lighter, more nimble version. Mind you I love the 5 ton, agree with others, using the CTI system to air down would’ve helped tremendously...
the big truck looks so bad ass that's 10 points right there.
Has Rudy been hitting the weights?
Nice back flips guys! That was impressive.
You guys are super fun to watch.
Good MORRning. It’s always a good day when MORR posts a video. Now that the MORRVAIR is part of the recovery operations, it adds that much more excitement to the recoveries. Stay safe and have a good day.
I enjoyed it. You also scared the begeebers out of me when I first saw it. My minds eye could see 80 pounds of steel chasing the stern of the truck. I HAVE seen stumps, and bumpers come through the rear window of tow vehicles. I was fully faked out. Thanks !!
The better vehicle for heavy duty would be the MTVR MK36 which is the 7ton wrecker option by oshkosh. That has tires that are adjustable from the cab for sand and other elements. That would be great for large vehicle recovery like RV's and trailers but for getting up in the middle of a small trail you will be better off with a Jeep or truck. I have an idea for a better option vs flat tow. I think it could be a game changer in the recovery world.
The stunt with the wall was amazing :) thanks for the fun videos!
I adore how your videos flow . I subbed a while back, directly after clicking on a vid. At that point I paused and subbed. I adore how you incorporate everyone in the videos, it take a team and everyone has a part, strength. For example I like when y'all are on the road and we also get the weather report🦋
Imagine being stuck expecting a big truck to rescue you and then hearing a “Thomas the tank engine” horn in the distance.
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Drop the air pressure, take a few leafs out and swap in a pair of Air Ride seats from a Semi. Then you might be able to ride in it but the weight is still going to be an issue. The springs on those things are like a solid mount if there's no load.
"So you're saying you're a wimp?" That look after, haha!
Had me howling
Hey guys
at which psi where the tires? cause they seemed like pretty hard and not giving a good traction on that soft sand
I have a 4wd vehicle with solid (or no) suspension and it bounces around like a basketball with more than ~4 PSI. in the tires.
Rudy's been lifting AND practicing.. looking good there bud! A new build sounds exciting. Bring it on!
Love the thumbnail nothing beats a good old fashioned truck pull .
Whatever you decide to build i am dying to build a model of .
You should have something like Paul's dad,that's a offroad recker
I think Deuce and a Half axles on 4 links and coils under an old suburban with the rear 1/4 of the roof cut off for the wrecker bits (so they still have the 4 doors for crew) would be interesting and capable. 5 Ton and air brakes is a bit much.
I think your next project should be that cab over pickup, turn into beefy 4x4, that thing be cool when finished.
Was that Ed's home in background at 3:00, lol, it looks like he just came out of there
I noticed on the 5 ton, the tires way over pressurized when they drove out the tow yard, only the center two ribs of the treads cleaned off on road, the outer nub, lugs on tire, stayed dirty
It’s a great Sunday when I get the notification from MORR! But have a great week everyone!
You should absolutely build a kick-ass custom off-road wrecker. 6x6 or 8x8, oh hell yeah!
From editing on an iPad, to special effects and movie magic!
Remember the stop sign privacy editing that Matt did not so long ago :)
I'd love to see another comparison with a hemtt wrecker and a MRV, although a know the MRV is pretty hard to get ahold of. Some of the Hemtt wreckers have systems to air up and down the tires to different conditions. like highway, snow, mud and sand. You can get one stuck in highway mode, set it to sand mode, and drive right out.
From the thumbnail I thought it was Abel from Off The Ranch. Haha Got super excited about a crossover video!
Matt could point them in the right direction to get a 5 ton built to their specs.
Matt take a look at the M1088 Stewart Stevenson 6X6. You can find them on Government Planet surplus sales they are much more capable than the 5 tons. You can air down the tires on the move then air them back up on the move. They are earlier models and parts are available right off the shelf. It's also possible to change the ring and pinion for fuel savings and cruising speeds of 70 MPH. They use Allison 5 speed Transmissions with Eaton Transfer cases. They are fantastic in sand. The basic truck at auction starts at 3,600 dollars. Well worth checking out.
And here I was waiting for a the only test that truly mattered, a tug of war
Lol the poor banana 🍌 Would have to retire after that one lol.
Pretty sure he could just pop the 5 ton in drive and let it idle
It needs heavyweight on the back to drive in the sandduns and lower the tires pressure in the military truck. Then it will go anywhere
Bob the 5 ton and get rid of the second rear axle and air down the tires and it will ride so much better off road. It will also give it a much sharper turning area.
"Comfortable like a $20 massage chair off Amazon" Very accurate.
Air supported seats would go a long way to save the lunch, too. ;)
Great episode. Notice how the tire hop was much worse on the rear axles. Needs weight back there I think maybe 1,500 lbs between the rear axles and 40 psi in the tires. At least that's what 20 yrs driving heavy 2 to up to 5 axle rigs offroad is telling me. Never go bobtailing in sand, you will hear a big bang as you snap a driveline. Cheers!