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I just wanted to come here and say that due to an unintentional altercation with Steve Meade on his TH-cam page, I have concluded that he is in fact a thin skinned, fragile little man who can randomly take almost anything offensively. That is all. And your content is very technical and informative. Good day.
I believe you...so are allot of other popular TH-cam channels... Their are hundreds of videos describing the stress and time thief being a popular channel becomes...lots if suicides also!!
Oh gosh bro...statistical curve.... Lots of people to enjoy... Lots to hate...
@@sarahconner9433 thing is we all are vulnerable to trauma and extreme stress so I don’t entirely believe sudden fame and success automatically justifies your actions and the way you respond to other ppl when you hear constructive criticism or simple banter.
Will. Alllllot of people don't like that guy.....I don't love him either..he just brands other peoples stuff with that 3 letter shit.. And thinks he's smarter than Donald Trump...
Thin skinned fragile ego maniacs on youtube? You don't say.
@@hispls I never made the connection..........lol
Bob ross t-shirt....a man of culture i see.
And you are definitely not using a cross patter for the tightening sequence...... what a professional you are 🎉
Lol, sounded like a V8 with no exhaust! Great build. Thanks for the content Sean!
Yes it did sound like a bog truck. Great build
Nice to see another vid thanks!
Good work man.
Thanks for posting this video 👍
"Make it better." Love it. Kudus from Portugal.👍😎
I loved watching this.
Very nice job brther
That things a monster!
Gunna save this bad boy to watch later with a cuppa 👍
I like the way he was revving his subwoofer 😅
I’m Interested to hear about how the thickness of the gap would affect the performance or what other differences there would be Such as advantages and disadvantages.
The way I have understood it is that the narrower the more efficient but less powerful but more musical, and the wider it handles more power but with a smaller response range better for SPL.
OK cool thank you
It's not exactly that cut dry or accurate. The top plate height doesn't effect power handling or sound quality in regards to clarity.
I was only asking about the gap between the pole and the top plate. And how that would affect things.
@@yourdaddy5630 lol answered a different question i suppose.
Nice work no doubt. Evry time i get a notification from emf i say to my self hopefully hes going to mention the realist date or off the hammers v2s, how close is the date
In a time where nothing is on time, I won't give a time. If I put a date on it, the day after will be full of messages asking why it's not already installed in their car if it's not delivered by that date. On Lowballers I tried to put a date on them within 3 expected days of shipping them and it ended up being another 3 weeks.
Another imformative video!! Thank you sir. I have a Sundown Compact neo and was curious if youve ever measured the gauss on one? Stay safe.
IIRC those are around a 10,000 gauss.
great video ....
I'd like to hear the Shocker Audio story. They were huge in SPL back in the day then just disappeared.
They are nice Sub’s I own 18 times 15” Shocker Sig tied gap and 4 times 18” Shocker Sig tied gap i think they did not produce more then 50pices in the past
@@newdeal_99I don't think your statement is entirely accurate. I spent a lot of time with Mike and talking to him. And I'm thinking your statement isn't very inaccurate.
Beautiful work and professionally done. I've tried it but wasn't a success. Is it forsale
EMF is a big, old gang in the San Gabriel Valley in Southern California.
WOW that's a lot of clamps.
NICE!!!
You Richard.... You purposely didn’t show us how you set the Cone lol I like this channel I don’t care what they say about you you’re right
I wonder who reconed this sub lol 😂
I have two 18s like these that I bought blown, need your services!!!!
Shocker Mike was local to me in Ohio. I wish I would've bought a few mini sigs
You're probably thinking "Super Extreme" which was TC9 motor. They were used on TC-2000, Orion HCCA, Eclipse, and I think a couple others. They still come up from time to time on forum classifieds. A versatile motor that supported several solid woofers. I have had interesting results building those with different coils.
i dig the bob ross T
I had 9 of these 15’s back in 2002 the guy that designed these motors was pretty smart. I still have a few of the original shockers sitting in storage. I also have 30 of the 1 ohm flat wound quad coils that were made for the sigs if anyone is interested in buying them from me. I ran 4 of the earthquake PH2d on each sub.
Quad coils are bad ass , wish I could use em
@@charliefrancis6438 they are for sale
i could use 9
@@666nacirema666 I don’t want to break up the box so I could sell the box of 15.
@@jasonneal how much?
So x- max is only good if you know the top plate width and mechanical depth of sub , so will this move as much air as a similar size sub with a 64mm long coil and a 20 mm gap , with plenty of mechanical excursion?
Can you point me in the direction to getting a cone and surround for a Rockford Fosgate hx2 rfr3112? Springfield has the coil and spider kit. Any information would be greatly appreciated I miss my old Rockfords.
Right will not always be negative when the subs in that position. On a jbl gti mkII those both left and right are positive with the sub in that position, and the two on the oposite side are both negative.😁😁😁
Hru how's it going? Great video, I got four old Elemental designs E10a.22's I've wanted to start on maybe getting them rebuilt. They have the old TC9 motors, I already tore one down. They were the 1st gen's that would blow through the cone, actually had them going up until 2 summers ago. One of my favorite woofers, I can't seem to find any coils to fit the motors. Also none of the build guys I've talked to really want to mess with these motors, they mostly say I should get something new. I've had these for a long long time now, would really love to get your opinion, maybe help. I would really appreciate it. Thanks again
Being worth it or not is up to you, but that is something I can do.
Just ur thought, is it worth rebuilding one of those Cerwin vega V124DV2 subwoofers? I have one sitting in my garage probably lasted just over a year, seems like the motor shifted from the heat of the summer it was working one day then dead the next.
When your tighteningem down shouldnt you use a star pattern like for lug nuts? Or is that just me
What glue do you use to glue the spider pack with ? By the way love your videos very knowledgeable!
E6000... stuff strong as hell. Comes in black and clear. Can get it any hardware store, Walmart etc.
Toughened CA glue
Biggup fr9m st . Lucia
How much would it cost for a custom re cone for an Audiopipe txx-bd2-12. or just the voice coil and I can unscrew the spider from the basket without damaging it cut away the old VC and glue the new one in. the original VC is listed as a 2.5-inch BASV voice coil.
Its not that mechanically loud i heard much louder subs its gooood😁
I have some og 12w6 that need some love I have 6. I have seen oem jl re-cone kits would this be the eay to go to restore them any kind of upgrade?
It's not really an upgrade if you're going back with the same parts, but them sending an exact drop in would be the easiest yes.
Have you guys heard of lord of bass? Looks like similar construction at a very good price. I saw these right after I ordered my Dayton MX12-22 and was passed cuz it was only $30 more and has better power handling and he sells recone and spider kits cheap.
This motor is over 15 years old.
looks like fixmyspeaker parts to me.
I have a fried coil on a kicker solo x 18 sub. Would you be willing to fix the coil on something like that?
2:42 Where can I get some of those vent spacers? @EMF Audio do you sell them?
So what exactly makes a weak motor? That thing looks like a beast, but the measured gauss was quite low. Is it the material the magnet slugs are made from? The material the steel plate and backing plate are made of? The coil gap? A combination of all of this?
6,000 isn't particularly low, you might be surprised what your favorite subs measure. It's just not particularly high either. You could cut the top plate in half and it would raise the gauss quite a bit, till the point it's completely saturated and won't go any higher. There are a lot of factors that determine gauss, like top plate thickness, magnet grade, magnet and top plate diameter, quality of steel, back plate thickness, pole venting, gap size and how well the motor was charged to start with.
Good work bro but make sure u blow out the coil b4 puttin on the dust cap
That's the wrong order of operations. At that point it's too late. You blow out the gap before the coil is even put in, which I did.
Would you recommend using flux to solder the leads and to the terminals? Or is it really not needed? Lol nevermind it looks like you used some from that little bottle.
Some leads need it, others don't. This is one of those instances it's needed.
damn that motor is damn near a HoleeS motor...
I think I have a hifonics Olympus woofer that needs new coils how much would something like this run me? I just chucked it in the shed for the magnets but I think the cone and surround are still good might need terminals also....
The only reusable parts would be the motor, basket, and terminals. Everything else would have to be replaced.
I have a new Pro audio subwoofer 18" it has slapping sound when i press the dust cap while power off there is no rubbing against the coil i tried to play 5Hz in my sub and there is slapping noise but when i hold the tinsel lead the noise disappears I only here the noise when I do free air but inside the box the bass is loud and I cannot hear the possible tinsel lead slap. What should I do with my subwoofer ?
Do you sell voice coils, cones, and spiders?? Basically a kit repair?? Thanks
Sounds like a Sundown sub mechanically IMO
Would that motor have been better with an extra slug and less top plate in exchange?
Hey i have 2 12" JL Audio W3 - how much would you charge me to get them fix?
I know this is a different sub but I have an Audiopipe 12in. Txx blue eye candy that was passed down to me from my brother that has passed away. The dust cover has sperated from the coil. Coil is still good not burnt. Ppl say throw it out but I can't. Can this speaker be fixed. Don't need to be there he blue aluminum look. I just want to hear it play again. Thanks for your time on this and liked the video keep them for coming.
Excuse me! Can I buy a old like that for rebuild it, 🙏!
I noticed a weird ring on the coil under the spider @8:50 ... Did you happen to remove it or glue it in place before you set the spider and coil height ...
Glued in place AFTER the coil was set in place.
I wonder if that motor is bigger than my Resilient sounds team 15 but from the video it doesn't look bigger but videos or photos can't portray the actual size.
I think I'm hearing those 4 spiders giving resonance. Probably in addition to the glue inner one outer diameter little IPS of glue at tips of spider at random points
Aye anyone know if I'd be able to take a 12 from sundown audio and recone it with rockford fosgates p3 cone and dust cap? Lmkkk because if I can I'm pulling the trigger and doin today son
What brand of glue? Also do you use epoxy in the middle after the CA?
The CA glue is from Palm Labs. Epoxy is an adhesive, as is CA, so you would use one or the other.
Why don't you drill and tap all of them at M6? How do you know that the spider opening is still concentric since you freehand trimmed it?
can u fix a 6 inch subwoofer from lg?
So did it have 10k views in time? I'd really like to see some close up stuff!
It took 7 days, didn't quite make it.
I would love to know if I wanted my W712 anniversary edition to handle more power what would it take to do so they are rated at 1000 rms but I want it to get up into the competition level ratings! Is that possible if I send it to you?
The w7 12” can fit a 4layer voice coil and a TI frame with a 10” spider it will handle more in every way and sound amazing.
How could you tell the amp on it was Brazilian?
Any 4” 8layer voice coil motors for sale?
I want that
I know this is an old build, but still have questions.
Do you do anything to the damaged surfaces where the coil has rubbed inside the motor? Do you verify it is round or true? Any type of prepping needed?
Thanks!
Nah not at all.. just make sure it’s clean and free of debris.
What glue you used ?
I got 2 old school Atomic APX15 I'd like to rebuild.. They were pretty good back in the day
I got the same 2 15s my cones came apart from coil i had to take the cap off and re glue it all but these subs bang for old school subs
@@mapexman86 did that cause a rattle sound like it was coming from under dust cap? Getting worse louder you got?
@@Thumper68 yeah
I should be able to do those.
@@mapexman86 I have a sub doing the same thing and was going to remove dust cap but was hesitating definitely going to check it out now thanks for response.
How's it going?
I have a massive audio hippo152 that I would loved rebuilt. How much would you charge to rebuild. I know you said factor in shipping
3" coil 15's are usually around $215.
what glue do you use for the cone and voice coil??
E6000. Comes in black or clear. Strong as hell. Dries like rubber. Awesome stuff, any hardware store, Walmart etc. Easy to find.
Wow, I'm a speaker guy myself, and you think you know a lot about speakers until you see a video like this! Damn, reconing a speaker driver is a LOT of painstaking work! (I figured it was, that's why I never bother doing it myself... but I've never "had" to either, so with an expensive competition sub like this one it might be worth trying.
Exactly what kind of glue are you using there? Where do you buy it and how much does it cost? Also, what is that stuff you are spraying on it immediately after applying it and where do you get that and how much does it cost?
The spray is the activator... Completes the drying time COMPLETELY in 30 sec. tops
@@smigletat9634 The most important questions I had about this stuff have never been answered by anyone, not even the original video poster. What is the (brand?) name(s) of this stuff, were do you get this kind of stuff, and how much does it all cost?!
@@JoeJ-8282
Right off hand I couldn’t tell you but with that said.. I have 2 passions.. Car Audio & also Wood working!
I have used these products in both fields & work quite well. I am currently rebuilding 2- DC audio lvl6 m1-15’s I just ordered parts yesterday but still need to locate my gluing products or I could give you a better answer.. Sorry
Hey sean I know you’re a busy man but I have a question. I have 3 12” dual 4 banhammers & 2 banhammer 15 dual 2. The car is a 2019 accord. Which should I put in to be louder??? If I end up doing the 3 12” I want to send them to you for some upgrades first, especially since I bought them from Offerup each separately. But if the 2 15” will sound better and give me more bass I’ll just do them as is. Please give me your input as it’s very valued. Thank you 🙏
It will be a challenge to fit both 15's or 3 12's in that trunk simply because of size limitations. I'd say your best bet is probably 2 12's.
@@EMFAudio I appreciate you, thanks for the input 💪🏾💪🏾
You probably know this but thought id pass it on anyway- I just found this Pierce Audio, and they are making sub parts in house USA. I remember you saying you lost your machinist for yolo parts, maybe these guys can help. They are making magnets in house, cones, spyders, etc.
I bet you'd be surprised to find out what they aren't making in house, and maybe even claiming to. Historically they have "made in USA" subs with motors that are off the shelf from China, along with every other part from China.
@@EMFAudio I dont know but on their website they say they left China and tooled up to make as much as possible in house. Including magnets, cones, spyders etc. I still like my China Lowballers! lol. Thanks for replying!
@@freeradical431 Paul Pierce is a thief and a conman. Dude is an absolute moron and terrible businessman, avoid at all costs.
Hey EMF Audio, can you rebuild my JL Audio W6V.2’s. They are 12’s, I’ve had a problem finding coils and dust caps. Do you have parts there on hand?
We don't keep JL parts on hand, rarely recone them.
@@EMFAudio is there a way to use other parts, perhaps something you have there already? Or do they have to be w6 specific?
Do you use E6000 on the surround instead of CA glue so it will be more flexible?
CA can dry out foam which can make it delaminate. If it's thin enough it can absorb before it adheres. E6000 just does a better job, consistently.
@@EMFAudio that definitely makes sense. Thanks for the great info on all your videos. I've reconed 2 subs so far and both turned out perfect from following you step by step.
Do you have to re-magnetize the motor after all these years? Would it improve the BL?
Yes that shoulda been the very first thing done to the rebuild. But not everyone has those they take major power like 2 runs of 220 volts 440 volts altogether if im not mistaken.
1 video has lead people to misunderstand something about speakers. Motors don't lose magnetism over time. Any motor that can take more of a charge wasn't fully charged to start with.
@@EMFAudio so u wouldn't freshen up the motor on a old sub if u had the machine setting right there in ur shop ud just let it sit there.
@@joshholden8561 Nope. If it were that important, I'd have one to do it with. The only instance I might put a magnetized sub in a magnetizer is if it's used for competition SPL where every hundredth of a dB counts to insure it's as strong as it can be. Though worth noting, that magnetizer won't work on neodymium motors which is what is probably used for SPL anyway.
@@EMFAudio plz explain to everyone reading what neo means and what other types are used and the pros and cons of each i think this would shed some light on the issue. Thanks josh
It’s funny that sub rebuild vids or not popular but demo vids are. I guess more people care about “show” not how stuff works and learning that is not about BRANDS.
You're right, some don't want to learn, they just want to see "flex" and be critical of what brands are shown doing what.
Do you sell parts like motors too? I'm in search of a pair of sundown audio zv5 motors, and a sundown sa motor , and also a sundown x motor
Go on Facebook...find dave lieb and send him a message
We do not.
Does emf sent soft parts? I need some for my lanzar Optidrive 10ks I traded them for my team fi's 18s. Let me know @emf audio
Also do you have tc 5400s motors?
Sometimes we do, we've got some things in the yard sale.
What frame was on this?
Whats gonna the max power on the new banhammer 15 v2
Max power is a meaningless rating used for marketing.
@@EMFAudio what watt amp would i watch to one 12 playing music not for spl
@@jasonmorris9138 they're 3,000 RMS, so ideally 2,000-3,000.
How to fix coil rubbing on a sub bro
I’ve seen a few shocker sig motors up here in Maine. 4-6 of them. Not sure which gap they were
They're originally more common in the northeast and Midwest as they originated in Ohio.
I posted an add on Facebook up here in Maine (mid coast) trying to buy some blown up performance subs (but if cheap enough even budget subs just to salvage the ferrite to combine the slugs to build some custom motors but have had zero results... Which surprises me yeah some people will repair blown subs but a lot are intimidated by re cones and here in Maine not a ton of options and will just toss it aside and buy new, you would think they would want to re coupe some of there original investment. But at least mid coast Maine is just so not a hot spot for car audio it seems damn near non existent, I never see bumping systems around even close to mine and it slaps pretty good but its not a crazy extream system, I've tried to find someone with an SPL meter up here to test my system now and after my upgrade but no luck with that either. Do you know of anyone here willing to Meter a system in Maine?
@@95Sn95 well I’m in central Maine. I have a termlab meter.
@@95Sn95 everyone I knew in Maine in audio either left Maine or left audio.
All '05 "small gap". Only 200 big gaps were made, the 3 I ever had I sold to Andre in The Bronx and he shipped a lot of those motors out to Eastern Europe. Big gap "'02 sig" has a much wider pole vent and the slugs stick out a little bit more from the top plate.
AFAIK there's 4 '05 motors up here. One in my F250 and 3 in my brother's Civic which lives in my driveway.
Not to be confused with the neo motors. 50 of those were made, I own 8 and Rooney has 1 that he got from John at T3.
@EMF Audio how do I get in touch with you on a build. I have 2 EARTHQUAKE HOLES 15" SUBS I need rebuilt cost is not a issue
Nice im rebuilding some earthquake subzero 12's with the flat dustcap's. Im just looking for flat wire coils with the same specs as the mmats juggernaut subs. I bought them blown, bringing them back to life.
Our contact form on our website www.emfcaraudio.com
you must not be in Cali huh? earthquake will reconed for about $450 if you can get em to Hayward. had them reconed mine, and it looks and sounds like new
Is it typical on 12" spiders to use just one, it seems super stuff for just one 2 feels practically solid....
you mean like two separate spiders? upper and lower? i've heard the top spider is just for show, that the bottom one does most of the work
It's not just 1, just like I said in this very video it's a pack of them.
There is no instance where spiders are "for show", any spider would effect compliance. There IS a purpose for spaced spiders, which is why the Banhammer line uses them.
@@EMFAudio thank you for the correction. funny enough, i heard that statement on robot undergrounds channel.. maybe i just misunderstood him
@@notyobiz6207 or maybe he doesn't understand and is giving out bad information and you heard what was actually said.
Zv5 soft parts?
No, not even remotely close.
The motor and the basket look rough, why not refinish them?
How much to customize a sundown SArev3 15? The basket n motor is already assembled, I would love a higher rms n watts rating🙏🏾
There is only so much you can do with a given motor design and coil size. The only way to increase power handling is to use a higher temperature coil, which we typically do because we use 500 degree coils where much of what we recone is a 280 degree coil.
@@EMFAudio I gotcha. I need a recone with whatever parts will work for it.
@@DisShiTooEZ I've got dual 2 coils in stock I believe. Cones too, spiders I'm not sure.
@@EMFAudio I would like to send it in for a recone if you are available😁
@@DisShiTooEZ You can send them over, turn around will be a week or two usually.
What do you use to laminate spiders together?
CA glue, only on the outside edges.
@@EMFAudio ok kool thanks bro
@@EMFAudio ty
So are Brazilian Amplifiers bad for coils?
Yes they are
4” coil?
3”.... Looks as though.. Shocker sig.
If your old enough to remember.. I certainly do. They were Good back in the day, but now. .. Not so much😬
I want this sub
Hey I just had a quick question. Someone in my area is offering an old school orion hcca 12 for only 5 dollars. The catch is that it's blown, but I was wondering if it may be worth looking into?
I've done a video rebuilding one of those.
@@EMFAudio hello new to channel seen a speaker foam presentation from some yrs back want to ask a question
Whats the song at 9:14
Did you get 10k in 5 days?
Nope, it took almost exactly 7 days
🔥❤️❤️
Why didn't you tell everyone that it's a Sundown basket ?
You should've cleaned sanded off the top plate before you started to rebuild it ...
The top plate wasn't even painted at the mating surface, not that paint would change anything anyway.
Hey bro, they sell spiders
Where can I get a recone kit for a EMF Lowballer 15?