@@drawingdownlaluna someone wouldve seen them and the oldest is old enough to know who the parents are even if he kept quiet eventually that secret would be exposed
@K. N People with schizophrenia are usually paranoid already ad that to her seeing a wanted poster of herself and of course she would evade the police, they're also capable of planning. I'm not excusing whatever she did with the kids but just explaining that evading authorities or others is pretty common behavior for schizophrenics.
@K. N She might have had the where with all to carry out her plan but that doesn't mean she wasn't having a psychotic break. Schizophrenia runs in my family and I've experienced psychotic breaks where I've done illegal shit. It's hard to explain but I knew what I was doing well enough to plan it out in advance and evade the police but I was still very much out of my mind and could have killed someone. This woman knew she was doing something illegal, I don't doubt that, but in her psychotic mind it was probably justifiable to her. I don't think she should just get away with her crime based on her mental state, she's obviously dangerous and I'm surprised the case went the way it did. She should be locked up in a psych ward long term.
You clearly knows nothing about schizophrenia. They’re are extremely smart and planning and thinking is common in that condition. It’s an unfortunate situation it really is.
The fact that the two kids went missing at separate times is even worse because it means she did what she did the first time and had time to regret it and admit guilt but instead she goes and does it again. Zero regret zero remorse. Complete monster.
She obviously had her plans in place and carried through with them, for whatever reason... people with "mental disorders" are very capable of deception and some also have a higher than average IQ.... unfortunately for a lot of "normal or the average", person... Most people are not capable of cold blooded murder, or just getting rid of their own children or family... Seems to be happening a lot more, in society these days.... but it may only be that because of the media, we hear about it more often and our planet is becoming so over populated with tons and tons of illegal immigrants on the move... 😢😥😭Sad sad world 🙏🙏🙏
noone even knows for sure if the daughter was even in her rmor alive that night the dad came home?! Soooo many unanswered questions here. its all just sad. why ppldo shit like this when SOMEONE wouldve taken those kids n loved them IF she couldnt?! i really dont get shit like this?! like at least the ones who kill themselves after makes a bit more sense. like they didnt want ANYONE to have the kids BUT them! but in these types of cases it REALLY makes NO damn sense?! uuughghghghh
If the grandmother says she knows where the kids are and that they are alive, shouldn't they charge her with aiding a criminal or obstruction... something.
@@kingbling5489 you’re making it seem like it’s his fault, that’s like saying it’s the parents fault if their child gets kidnapped, no matter how cautious you want to be, things still happens, a child should be safe with their own mother...
Both children have disappeared at two seperate times, doesn't take a dummy to realize that's premeditated murder. She changed her appearance to prevent getting caught, called the cab from the restroom, snuck into buildings. But no, let her just pull the "I AM CRAZY" card. Courts are a joke.
If she is where someone can get to her,she should be made to talk. This deemed incompetent and other b.s. is letting people literally get away with murder.
If someone makes up multiple lies, hides out in a federal Building, evades police, alters their appearance, all while holding their wanted poster on their person; they are most definitely mental competent. This is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
I disagree. Completely. I was married for 10 years to a man who beat me severely. He did it in front of our 4 children.. he promised he’d kill me if I left.. that “it wouldn’t end well for me” too... last year I filed a protection order and am now divorced from him.. and I have sole custody of our 4 beautiful children. The cop out using domestic violence to validate harming children needs to end. Now.
I wonder why Troy Turner's lawyer doesn't make sure someone objectively evaluates her. It really does look like she is mentally competent. You can't just wait around hoping someone is going to evaluate her, especially if you're depending on someone working at a facility who's probably getting a lot of money for her to be in it. I think Mr. Turner should get a different lawyer; maybe he's getting paid more the longer we wait and wait for that to be determined and the more people ask and ask for him to do something about it. Instead of doing that he's getting paid a whole bunch of money to try and upgrade her charges to a felony so they can wait around for two more years.
I kind of feel like if the roles were reversed he would be sitting in jail charged with two counts of first degree murder. I feel so bad for this dad. I couldn't imagine going through this and knowing the court is failing him Edit: The two murder charges were dropped because the 5 year period to convict her passed. The judge ordered her to remain in detention at the maximum-security psychiatric hospital where she has been since her arrest nearly eight years ago. They also say the state reserves the right to charge her again if she is ever released. Pretty ridiculous she is not found to be competent to stand trial.
She is in jail on 2 charges of murder and as of February 2020 she is appealing. I live in Maryland and our court searches are free and public so I looked her name up
They should have placed her in a mental health facility, when her parents and man ALL agreed she shouldn't be alone with their kids; her parents probably thought they were protecting her and the kids by not putting her in a facility, and agreed to follow a rule that they clearly didn't take seriously, and now the children are gone. Fucked up.
yes, when she had misdemeanor charges she was adamant that her daughter could tell what happened, she never said they were alive. Now that the charges are second degree murder they are suddenly alive and safe
Comment after comment by these women on here named “b.e. Marshall Campbell” in all the comments saying that the kids are safe and that “she has a feeling that the women is being abused by the husband.” And then types and copy/pastes the same comments in all these threads. There’s other women saying the same thing but at least they take the time to type out each comment. I just find it strange that this is the standard on these videos, but if the genders were swapped, you would *NEVER EVER* find a popular comment with dudes saying “nah, she looks slutty and all women who look like that must be killers too.” 🤦🏻♂️ like maybe some assholes would comment that, but it wouldn’t have 400 upvotes. Looks like we have to worry about other types of dangerous people other than Murderers. We also have to watch out for people who are so far gone, they’ll literally believe someone just because of their gender.... which if you spoke to them, they would claim that their entire existence is predicated on opposing that type of thinking... as long as the genders are in the right places that is.
She seems to be sane enough to kidnap her kids with no trace, run away from her husband and evade search parties for days but she's not competent enough to discuss the whereabouts of her children? There's nothing wrong with this woman, at least not enough to be exempt from revealing their location and her motives.
The way you put it together is absolutely well said. And why all of a sudden the mom changed. The kids were in no danger from their dad, it was their mom they had to worry about.
@@nikki1932 I don't think anybody is in their right mind when they commit murder. It is up to the doctors to determine whether she is capable to stand trial. I've been to prison a few times. There's nothing more that the inmates want then to be put on mental health court, or to not be found competent. They will go years throwing shit on their walls just to act crazy. I personally feel that if somebody kills somebody they should do the time whether or not their mentally ill. They should either do their time in a mental health facility, or in prison. She obviously killed her kids. That's just disgusting.
All of you defending multiple personalities but forget that this woman is probably a murderer and that any of you who also have multiple personality disorders are trying to write off murder as a symptom. If you have kids then I guess we all have the right to question you as a parent if you're defending the behavior. Maybe people with mpd's shouldn't have the right to have or have contact with children then if this is the new normal. Don't believe it for a minute.
@@peacenlove3faith302 Whatever the reason for murder is, she did murder two kids so she either goes to jail or an asylum locked and medicated. The society doesn't have enough time or room for people like her and the older son was about to be murdered too and she could go get him at any time without anyone knowing and murder him. When you remove a life your life no longer matters, even if it is a mental disorder.
I’m so sick of these psychos that kill their children always getting away with the shit but then people go to prison for a lot less the system is so messed up, she murdered them and she is definitely competent to stand trial and her mother is protecting her as well
seriously, she is competent enough to cover it up, go get food, and repeatedly lie. If she was really that incompetent she would be saying she sent them on a comet to an angel or something
Yup ... she took those innocent kids and literally took them out in cold blood 🩸.. woman like this one ☝️ I would like to get just a minute in the same room... every murderer who kills plays the game of “ I’m mentally ill “ GTFOH UGHHHH
It's easy to say hindsight is 20/20 and/or be judgemental..... But I'm sure that even if they recognized that she was a nutcase, no one thinks their daughter is capable of getting rid of her own children... This is def an odd one
@@jamiekensington1155 I have several mentally ill relatives and would absolutely be suspicious if they showed up without a child that had no other reasonable person to be watching them. While not everyone would, if you have mentally ill people and children in your life you have to watch out for them.
I thought the same. "There were rules set by her family and Troy that she wasn't to be alone with the kids ever, drive with them ever." They let her drive with the 2 year old though?
@@tayona1350 so that was 100% opinion based and based off literally nothing of weight. As someone who lived in Germantown at the time, I witnessed him night after night handing out flyers and searching fields. I would close at my job every night leaving well past 12am, and I saw him several times, as well as his mom- the other grandma. I’ve spoken to her, allowed her to vent and cry with me. Stop saying dumb and damaging things when you can’t base it off anything. Another internet troll we do not need.
Her parents need to be held responsible, too. They knew she had these issues and they did nothing. They are just as guilty as she is. How dare they act like this. They lied to her husband and they’re lying to law enforcement to protect Catherine.
I feel the grand parents know of their disappearance or they themselves are hidin or holding them some where or she maybe sold them... 🤷🤷🤷🤷I feel they're alive... I hope its not the other way....
So they all agree that she shouldn’t be driving but yet while at her parents house, she took the keys and “borrowed” her fathers car and drove off? Wtf
The same goes for that bouncer looking dude who kept having sex with a schizophrenic woman, on the limb. Shame on him. Did he think it was OK ? sperm donors are not respectable.
A justice system that protects a murderous mother but seeks no justice for these children is beyond disgusting. If it were not for this poor father there would have definitely been 3 viictims.
I think even if she is, in the eyes of the judge, truly insane and therefore shouldn't get a prison sentence (I really don't believe she is), in my country she still would have to stand trial and then get send to a prison like mental institution for criminals. To not be fit for trial she seem pretty normal on the videos and to her own family... I don't get the US I have seen to videos of really mentally ill prisoners, that with sever schizophrenia where somehow in normal prisons. One was boiled alive in a shower for 2 hours till his skin fell of and he died, it was to punish him because he shit himself and smeared it on the walls (no charges for the guard's!). The other was a veteran that had a psychotic episode and wouldn't put his hands trough the door to be put in cuff's, so the guard fired a flashbang grenade from a shotgun direct at him. Put she isn't even fit to be questioned by the cops after she killed her children? The to guys I wrote about where there for some shit like stealing or drug possession can't remember exactly.
This is so tragic. They are using mental illness to dissuade the investigation. I mean it's the little kids. Anyone who harms any children deserves a maximum sentence in prison whether mentally ill or not.
Postpartum psychosis should be an exception (sometimes). Loving mothers have eaten their own babies. Sometimes brains completely malfunction. In this case, it’s not an excuse because she clearly knows right from wrong and made a choice, but sometimes the insanity defense is legit.
@@tarantulady Yep! Its awful some Women have thrown the kids over cliffs...to protect them from the threat thats coming...demonic and all in the mind..
There are cases of severely mentally ill mothers who kill their kids believing they`re saving them from the brutality of this world. They would never have done this had they been sane. Having said that, I don`t believe this is the case here.
@@tarantulady Sorry. I disagree. What matters is that 2 innocent children are DEAD.Not the mother's twisted feefees and why she did what she did. Kid killers don't need to be in society AT ALL. If she thought Aliens told her to do it, who cares? Those two people are gone now.
@@ElanaVital83 same tho, I mean okay you can say you got mental illness but it doesn't mean you can get lighter sentence.. there's a case about man with schizophrenia he's a serial killer, said he need to drink blood to stay alive. Well he got electric chair. Like it's no use to free them, they're a danger to society. A killer will always be a killer
What's wrong with this women's Father and Mother? They both knew the one kid was already missing and didn't say a word to the kids Father. Maybe her parents are mentally ill too.
They are in on it. Grandma is playing damage control and pretending to be on both sides. Daughter is playing stupid. The whole family are master manipulators and are gaming the system.
How tragic. To deem her incompetent is absolutely absurd. If she knew how to play a game and lie about the safety of the children and also can plan a murder, and actually execute it shows me that she is indeed competent to stand trial. What a cop out. Senseless. 😥
What's sad is her family didnt tell father about mental health issues. If her family knew she could have been treated and possibly her children still alive.
Well considering that the dad was in denial and didn't think the kids were dead, he probably never told his son that the 2 other children were dead, so the kid probably thinks they're just "gone" just like when you explain to your kid how your dog died.
@MO mo To be clear, I think the 'mother' should be held criminally responsible and clearly knew she did something wrong by running away. Yes, she seems to have a mental illness, but not all of those who have a mental illness will not be held criminally liable; only those who successfully show evidence of the 'insanity defence' will which in my opinion should not be the case with her. To be held not criminally liable as a result to mental illness or essentially ONLY insanity, one would need to provide evidence that they have no guise of what is right and wrong. It is NOT on the sole basis of 'they aren't in frame of mind'. Those with depression can be labelled as 'not in the right frame of mind' but most still know what's right and wrong. For instance, someone who ran from the cops after killing an individual because they taught the person was a supernatural being would likely still be held criminally responsible but also provided psychiatric help; running away indicates they knew it was wrong to kill someone. Similarly, by partaking in drug consumption, one is acknowledging the associated results of it. Yes there are many flaws in the criminal justice system in practice including the unnecessary use of the insanity defence but what you presented was not a reflection of the criminal justice system based on its writing. Additionally, 'meds' for those 'mentally ill' is not a cure. It's not a biological only disease that gets cured as a result of solely medication.
i feel so bad for the dad he seems like a genuinely good parent who cares for his children. if the roles were reversed he would def be in jail. i hope he can find peace one day ❤️
@@Animeow08 so that means the ones who do care can’t voice our sadness and frustrations when something happens to them? And don’t generalize the ones who do care, you can be careless but I’m not. :)
Grandma knows something, why would she hide behind the door. You'd be shouting from roof tops, taking interviews, screaming, "Where are my grandbabies". Grandma knows what's going on. She now trying to protect her daughter. Something bizarre going on in this family. Also what federal building is open at 3am (I thought that's what they said). And why weren't the lakes or rivers searched immediately. Someone say...... Incompetence???
Agreed! Vallow's grandparents were fighting to know where their grandbabies were located. Not some incompetent, protecting her herself and daughter....she knows more than she is saying
complete case update: Catherine hoggle got away. the judge dismissed the 2 murder charges and christine was involuntarily admitted into a mental institution. this system is messed up beyond belief. rest in peace to the two young children who lost their lives to their own mother. i send my love to the father and oldest child in this case.
This case has Casey Anthony written all over it. The changing stories, the lies , the inconsistencies. Even the fact that the mother first accused her and then changed her stance later on , Casey's parents did the same. This is just tragic.
But the investigators said she was a very convincing woman...... thats a red flag as to that investigators if they believed anything she said. From day one those kids missing she was acting suspicious as hell
@@proanimaluver6487 Because she’s a young attractive white women.. same reason the teen blonde cheerleader didn’t get charged for killing her newborn baby.
If the private detective thinks the children's bodies are in the water, he should try to get a hold of Jared Leisek & his team at Adventures with Purpose. They're divers that go across the country, for free, to help find missing people's bodies in water. They're very good at what they do! I pray for peace for this family & those two innocent babies.💔
Imagine how this could have turned out, if her parents had told the truth on the first night. God only knows if it would have saved the little boy but it certainly would have saved the little girl.
@@angelinaneckam8115 Mam in India we have right to claim insanity as exception and they just take into account sanity of accused at the time of crime and if the accused is proven to be insane at the time the crime happened, the accused will be acquitted
now i could understand why my mom checked me every night before she went to sleep. she stopped doing it after i became an adult but i fully understand why she did that
I still check my kids. They're 24,21 &18. My youngest is off at college so I can't physically I mean I could drive to her dorm but I'm trying to be good lol. She calls me every night and in the morning because she knows mama is crazy enough to drive to the university. If my son and oldest daughter aren't going to be home for the night they call me and let me know. My mama checked on me everyday until she passed and I miss it so much.
@@ksinclair-garcia2092 yeah I am 37 my brother 29 and baby sister is 27 and if my mom doesn't know where we are or hasn't heard from us at least every two hours she freaks out. I also have to know where my two are at all times!!!!
I hope he doesn’t blame hisself . I know my children’s father doesn’t go wake them up if he’s coming home late . Because he trusts me very much with them . So I’m sure that’s how this man felt as well. It’s heartbreaking to know someone you trust around you and your children can do something so evil . And that’s their actual mother He probably won’t trust a single soul ever again.
It was probably the last thing on his mind. I mean, she may have had issues, but he clearly trusted her with their kids. Thank god she didn’t get to the 5 year old. Poor babies. I feel so sorry for this man.
How involved was he in the lives of his girlfriend and children? How did he not notice her mental illness? And why do the children have her last name, not his? Just wondering.
I wonder if she had given him something, which is why he was extra tired.. did she intend on killing him first then blaming the children's deaths on him?...
Well it worked for Casey Anthony, she claimed she left her daughter with a babysitter, only she came up with a name for the babysitter, turned out it was a lie.
@Jevonte H the jury did think so, they just didn't have the proof. Not guilty doesn't mean they didn't do it, it just means they don't have provable evidence.
What worked for the Anthony woman was the death penalty for a guilty verdict. They should have taken it off the table, so all jury members would have found her guilty. They could not send a woman to death without a smoking gun as the case was circumstantial. They knew she had done it but sending her to her death was too much for these people. It would not have bothered me, had I been a jury member. I would have found her guilty ! and ready for re-cycling. A mother who drugs her child and keeps her confined , with tape around her mouth and likely her nose, does not deserve to live and bear more children. It is evident, that poor little girl was treated like garbage, by her mother ; before and after her death.
An innocent person doesn't act the way she did. She was smart enough to go to the Chic Fil A and make an escape. She's not that stupid. She obviously did something to the kids. I feel sorry for the children.
Yeah, she did something to them and was smart enough to get away with it. She knew exactly what she was doing and what she did to get away. All of premeditated. The entire plan!
Exactly 💯! They always find someone they can confine in & its always their roommate!! They feel safe and they think they can't be charged again for the same thing twice. Just like the Travis Alexander story! Dirty little secret Jody Aries!! Two roommates and they got discharged years later then they busted her wide open!! They told everyone on tv and news crew's what she told them behind bars!! Jody had help killing Travis that night!!
@@gregorywheless3064 yeah well that’s because they can’t get to him! Trash can’t take out the trash if he’s always watched. Hopefully he goes into genpop and a couple guards turn a blind eye! What a waste of life he has. _“According to reports, Watts must stay in his Wisconsin jail cell for 23 hours a day. The only time he's allowed to leave his cell to exercise and shower. When he is in his cell, he doesn't do much at all. He's allowed to keep a Bible and family pictures inside, but that's it”_
Some of ya on these comment threads are ignorant but I PRAY YA DONT GO THRU THIS WITH YA CHILDREN AND NO MY GRAMMAR IS NOT PROPER BUT I SAID WTF I SAID
@Rocket Pliance That's looking at it from the simplest pov. You have to do a cost-benefit analysis. That's how you determine the true value of that money. What are you giving up to get that money? Have you ever turned down a job that people want you to take because of the 'money'? The money sounds good to someone that doesn't know what you sacrificed to get it.
@Rocket Pliance wether or not it feels lit a million dollars does not increase the purchasing power of that $100. I'm assuming the child barely did any work/ sacrifice anything for that money. So that money is all profit
@Rocket Pliance My point is that the 100 dollars is still just a hundred dollars. What the child 'feels like' is insignificant to the conversation. The child feels that way because there wasn't any sacrifice made. On the other hand, if you make the child wash all the clothes in your home, cut the grass, do the groceries e.t.c before you reward the child with 100 dollars, I guarantee the child will not 'feel like a millionaire'. Why's that?! Maybe because the same 100 dollars now weighs less, the child just traded labor and time in exchange for it!
@D M I know it and it's wrong. A five year old does know right from wrong, too, does not mean that we should put them into prison if they steal something expensive?
@@Kitty-mb4hy Your analogy is flawed. Kids cannot be held accountable for their actions as their brains are not yet developed to fully comprehend the outcome of their actions.
@@mirianadimitrova2112 There are kids as young as 13 who are tried as adults for their crimes and sentenced to super long prison sentences. Their brains are not fully developed as well. Brain finishes developing at about 25 years old. So my analogy is not much flawed honestly.
@@Kitty-mb4hy These are exceptional cases, though. Also there is a difference between a 5 year old (your initial example) and a 13 year old, don`t you think.
I remember this story, very unfortunate. I have an immense amount of empathy for this man. There’s nothing worse than the unknown. I pray he finds his children safe and sound.
I have some one in my extended family like this she has a very deep case of bipolar & they have to have a nanny when the father is not home. Mom is not allowed to be unsupervised with the children. They haven't ever been hurt, but she had taken them to the mall & various places & forgotten the kids there etc. The court let the family choose a full time nanny or loose custody.
@Aloysius Redillas why watching this I said she sold those kids I’m not sure about the sex trafficking part but she most definitely sold them if she haven’t killed them.
The Judge was forced to dismiss the murder charges against Catherine because she still wasn't fit to stand trial and the statute of limitations for holding a murder charge was coming to an end. Hoggle was involuntarily committed because she remains a danger to herself and others.
"There were rules set by her family and Troy that she wasn't to be alone with the kids ever, drive with them ever." They let her drive with the 2 year old though? She was alone with the 2 year old on Sunday for 3 hours, then came back without the child? Fishy!! The father then spent the night at her house and never said anything about her not coming home with the child?
troy said that when she came back without the 2 year old boy she was questioned about where he was and then she told them he was at a sleepover with their oldest son's friend. i don't understand why no one thought to check on him right then 😞 it becomes even more heartbreaking to know that this all could have been prevented had they actually held her to those rules that they set for her.
This poor dad, I couldn't imagine his pain. He trusted her with their kids. And the poor 5 year old who now has to grow up without not only his mom but his younger siblings too.
As a Marylander, this hits so close to home. I really hope that these poor babies are safe somewhere, because who could fathom worse case scenario? I pray this murderer gets everything she deserves and more. I believe she knew exactly what she was doing, and it was definitely premeditated. As to the father, you are a great dad. I will pray for you, and I hope you keep your faith because miracle’s do come true! Im not trying to mislead you, but miracle’s begin with faith, and in a tragic situation like this, that’s all that seems left to hope for, is a miracle. May God bring you and your family peace, no matter the outcome.
I feel so sorry for the father I know that he will forever feel guilty for something that he had absolutely no control of smh praying for the family😪🙏🏾
This poor guy! Despite not initially being in a relationship - and then later on seeing some mental health issues with Catherine - he stuck it out: for the sake of a family; for the sake of seeing three children grow-up and go through graduation and all those wonderful life events!!! But now -- now she sounds like Casey Anthony! praying + + + +
I watch stuff like this and pray for my little brother that he won't ever make a family with the wrong woman. I send him videos like this a lot and he thinks I'm nuts because he's just 14, but he'll be dating soon enough and girls already like him. So yea I'll be crazy if it means looking out for him, teaching him what to look for when it comes to women. I never want him to go thru anything even close to something like this.
@@JosephKulik2016 this "poor woman" had the sense and mentality to get rid of 1 child, wait a period of time,then get rid of another child.she also had the sense and mentality to ring a taxi and work out her escape route from her hubby to escape in the taxi. she also had the sense and mentality to get a haircut to change her appearence to evade capture. i'd put my life on it she's playing the system. how about hypnotizing her to find out where she put those two innocent,defenseless children. and before u jump down my throat about not understanding about this "poor mentality ill woman" ,let me tell u about me. i have PTSD, major depression,major anxiety,schizophrenia,and dual personality disorder.i have had several mental breakdowns. i know all about medical,psychological and psychiatry treatments. there's no way on earth this woman has been incompetant to be interviewed or stand trial. modern medication combined with therapy works wonders. she is a fraud, and needs to be held accountable for what she did to those bubbas, and reveal where their bodies are so at least the father can have some kind of closure. and if they are not dead, she has sold them. they are either dead by her hands, or sold to traffickers with her blessing.
@@JosephKulik2016 how the heck can u say the hubby needs to take some responsibility for his children disappearing, because he didnt do a history check on his wife? history checks can predict nothing. there are thousands of cases all over the world where a person has killed their spouse, and they have had a "perfect" history, with no prior violence or trouble with the police. i dont want to lower myself to say what i really think of you and your comments, so i'll just leave it as "pathetic".
They said she wanted to talk to police but the judge said she was unfit too. Even if she was delusional which she's not I would have someone listening to her ramble 24/7 in case she dropped where they might be. Background checks aren't doing anything pretty sure she had no priors for running off with her kids and killing them
@@JosephKulik2016 it’s gross to me that you think Troy has any responsibility in not recognizing that his wife was going to do this to his children. Especially because he didn’t do a BACKGROUND CHECK!? Are you kidding me?! How dare you put that on this POOR FATHER. He lost his children ffs. What is wrong with you?
why do they say such stupid things, "she's a very convincing woman." How is that convincing.. " I left them at a daycare but dont.know where." Ridiculous.
I don't understand how a mother could harm her children. When you feel your baby growing inside of you, the love you feel is indescribable. How does this happen?
These "Mental Experts" are the same morons that test felons and determine them to be "safe for early release and not likely to re-offend" and are wrong 83% of the time! If you were wrong 83% of the time at your job how long would you be employed? If a medical Doctor prescribed the wrong medication 83% of the time or a police officer wrote the wrong name/tag number on a citation 83% of the time or your bank deposited money in the wrong account 83% of the time how long would any have their jobs?
@@nunyabuisness7552 exactly. Those people act like they're better than everyone else too. I have a brother in law who's a lawyer and he's a douche. He loves talking about rehabilitation, when victims of lowlives didn't do anything wrong to be rehabilitated for. Then they let them out to harm more people and don't care because of $$ for themselves during more trials in the future.
Wambam UK how can you possibly comment on someone's stability based on a few seconds of footage??? How incredibly presumptuous and just plain ridiculous. It's possible she's in denial or just trying to be hopeful. None of us are in any position to evaluate anyone's level of stability here, get over yourself.
Well, she's cooperating with police and lawyers. She appears to want answers and she wants those children back, so why would she lie to protect her daughter?
Might be protecting her from getting convicted by claiming the children are still alive. Casey Anthony's mom said she was the one who searched up chloroform and we think it's because the prosecutors had the death penalty on the table.
How in the world could a mother ever harm her children. The ones who she grew inside her for 9 months, fed them, clothed them, loved them. I just don't get it.
Unfortunately this happens way more often than it should. I find it absolutely disgusting though, how can you give someone a chance to live but decide to kill them? Just imagining what was going through the little one’s heads during all this makes me sick.
💯% Couldn't have said it better. Needs to be more mother's that protect their children that do these horrible acts and they know about it, but won't say nothing be held just as accountable as their child that did the act.
Mental illness is very much a spectrum and is different for everyone. Some people are in fact so mentally ill that they cannot be considered responsible for their actions. That's why there are protections for those deemed incompetent to stand trial. That being said, I have a hard time believing in this case that she didn't know what she was doing. She took numerous actions to conceal what she had done and now refuses to say where the children are. I think the courts definitely have it wrong in this case and she should be held accountable for this.
People react differently and hve different levels and types of mental illness. What she did was evil and wrong, period. But saying “lots of people have mental illness and don’t do A B and C” makes things out to be black and white, which they are not.
*Like others have said, authorities can triangulate the area from whatever tower it pings off of, but you will not get an exact location unfortunately, however, if she has an iPhone and ‘Find my iPhone’ is turned on, it will give an exact location which they then can use to retrace her steps. Androids might have something similar, but I’m not sure. I know there’s a way you can have your gps running background constantly but only if you have it turned on/allow ‘Keep running background’; that’s how your gps tells you where you parked your car and such; it can also be used to trace where you’ve been.*
@@bleebleeblahblah approximate is a guess, or “close enough”, it does not mean the same thing as exact... in this context she means the phone towers could give a rough guess at her location, but not the exact address.
I feel like the husband needs to accept some responsibility. He said she wasn’t supposed to drive but took the kids to a “daycare” and then to a “sleepover”. I thought she isn’t supposed to drive or be alone with her children. Also, you find out your two kids are missing but you take the time to get your kid in the bus. Your wife is going to take you to your missing kids but you stop for soda first?? He has some explaining to do.
@@laurelgirard8475 it's not that crazy, he thought the kids were with the mom so he got his son on the bus. Which is logical. When he was with the wife she claimed the kids were safe at a daycare. Why would he worry when their own mom says they are safe somewhere? He didn't do anything wrong, you're forgetting that they were just living their normal everyday life. What parent automatically goes to my kids been kidnapped when they think their with their other parent? It doesn't happen. Stop being so fucking judgemental towards a father who lost his WHOLE FREAKING FAMILY
@@laurelgirard8475 ? The mom did all of that while he was asleep and “before” wen he came home she was making excuses so he won’t check on his kids. The kids was supposedly with the grandparents while they went to the store. He found out about her driving wen he woke up, Plus he put his child on the bus Bc he didn’t want to panic in front of his kid to make him worried. Like a normal parent should do. Why would u want to make a 5 year old scared about his siblings and mom missing? He’s too young to even comprehend and shouldn’t be going through anything like that at that age.
@@naomimills7215 lol I said the same shit. After I wrote mine then I read urs. It’s true tho n the dad is going through a lot idk how he’s in the wrong when he was protecting his 5 yr son from something tragic. Also, he’s still depressed about his children Bc their still missing. 💔🥺
There are 2 distinct possibilities:
1. Either she killed them or
2. She definitely killed them.
@@TammyLP the little boy went missing before the girl...so she was going at them one at a time
She could’ve sold them
@@drawingdownlaluna that’s exactly wat I thought
Unfortunately I'm afraid this is right
@@drawingdownlaluna someone wouldve seen them and the oldest is old enough to know who the parents are even if he kept quiet eventually that secret would be exposed
She cut her hair to try to avoid recognition. That is a premeditated act by someone who knows exactly what they are doing.
Definitely true
@K. N People with schizophrenia are usually paranoid already ad that to her seeing a wanted poster of herself and of course she would evade the police, they're also capable of planning. I'm not excusing whatever she did with the kids but just explaining that evading authorities or others is pretty common behavior for schizophrenics.
@K. N She might have had the where with all to carry out her plan but that doesn't mean she wasn't having a psychotic break. Schizophrenia runs in my family and I've experienced psychotic breaks where I've done illegal shit. It's hard to explain but I knew what I was doing well enough to plan it out in advance and evade the police but I was still very much out of my mind and could have killed someone. This woman knew she was doing something illegal, I don't doubt that, but in her psychotic mind it was probably justifiable to her. I don't think she should just get away with her crime based on her mental state, she's obviously dangerous and I'm surprised the case went the way it did. She should be locked up in a psych ward long term.
You clearly knows nothing about schizophrenia. They’re are extremely smart and planning and thinking is common in that condition. It’s an unfortunate situation it really is.
shes a white girl so,,, charges dropped it is
The fact that the two kids went missing at separate times is even worse because it means she did what she did the first time and had time to regret it and admit guilt but instead she goes and does it again. Zero regret zero remorse. Complete monster.
She obviously had her plans in place and carried through with them, for whatever reason... people with "mental disorders" are very capable of deception and some also have a higher than average IQ.... unfortunately for a lot of "normal or the average", person... Most people are not capable of cold blooded murder, or just getting rid of their own children or family... Seems to be happening a lot more, in society these days.... but it may only be that because of the media, we hear about it more often and our planet is becoming so over populated with tons and tons of illegal immigrants on the move... 😢😥😭Sad sad world 🙏🙏🙏
EVIL🤬
noone even knows for sure if the daughter was even in her rmor alive that night the dad came home?! Soooo many unanswered questions here. its all just sad. why ppldo shit like this when SOMEONE wouldve taken those kids n loved them IF she couldnt?! i really dont get shit like this?! like at least the ones who kill themselves after makes a bit more sense. like they didnt want ANYONE to have the kids BUT them! but in these types of cases it REALLY makes NO damn sense?! uuughghghghh
You can see it in her face that she is mentally ill... poor babies
To the grandmother, then where are they,if you seriously think 5hey are safe..?
If the grandmother says she knows where the kids are and that they are alive, shouldn't they charge her with aiding a criminal or obstruction... something.
Exactly.
@villfer78 Not true.
she didnt say she knew where they were, she said she thinks they're safe, and not hurt..
Agree. Arrest her and put her in jail until she talks. After all she knows where they are
I call bullshit or its possible she knows they are dead
@villfer78 you sound jealous? And what an asinine comment anyway.
it broke my heart when troy said he felt guilty for falling asleep🥺
Yeah me too 😔
So sad
😔😞
Damn 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 that broke me too
@@kingbling5489 you’re making it seem like it’s his fault, that’s like saying it’s the parents fault if their child gets kidnapped, no matter how cautious you want to be, things still happens, a child should be safe with their own mother...
She undoubtedly went to the bus stop to get their oldest son. Fortunately dad was there.
Damn girl...
I'm thinking the same thing.
He saved the eldest son without even realising it.
I wonder if their are any updates on this case?
I know right. She wanted to kill them all to hurt him. She didn't love the kids at all.
Thats the scary part in all of this.
Yes, that is a terrifying thought but very, very probable. Truly shocking
Both children have disappeared at two seperate times, doesn't take a dummy to realize that's premeditated murder. She changed her appearance to prevent getting caught, called the cab from the restroom, snuck into buildings. But no, let her just pull the "I AM CRAZY" card. Courts are a joke.
its called SURVIVAL and PROTECTION for yourself and ur kids
Once the trial begins, she is going claim that she was s*xually abused as a child and then blame her parents for it all.
@@IwasBlueb4 Shut up troll
True
CNN. T
Update: As of 2022, she was still deemed incompetent to stand trial and her charges were dropped. I am heart broken for this father.
OMG! Tragic! Poor babies and family. 😢
If she is where someone can get to her,she should be made to talk. This deemed incompetent and other b.s. is letting people literally get away with murder.
omg but she has to stay in a psychiatric ward right? If she is insane she probably has no idea what she did with them
@@katsphere-Isee she is in a psych ward
@@KelluyPowell-1985 i mean if she intentionally lied and fled the scene and changed her appearance I'd say she is at least aware of what she did
If someone makes up multiple lies, hides out in a federal Building, evades police, alters their appearance, all while holding their wanted poster on their person; they are most definitely mental competent. This is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
or a way a desperately scared mother of 3 beautiful children tries to survive and keep them safe too
I disagree. Completely. I was married for 10 years to a man who beat me severely. He did it in front of our 4 children.. he promised he’d kill me if I left.. that “it wouldn’t end well for me” too... last year I filed a protection order and am now divorced from him.. and I have sole custody of our 4 beautiful children. The cop out using domestic violence to validate harming children needs to end. Now.
@@IwasBlueb4 keeping them safe does not equal killing them you wackjob
@@IwasBlueb4 hmmm sounds like something Catherine hoggle would say.
I wonder why Troy Turner's lawyer doesn't make sure someone objectively evaluates her. It really does look like she is mentally competent. You can't just wait around hoping someone is going to evaluate her, especially if you're depending on someone working at a facility who's probably getting a lot of money for her to be in it. I think Mr. Turner should get a different lawyer; maybe he's getting paid more the longer we wait and wait for that to be determined and the more people ask and ask for him to do something about it. Instead of doing that he's getting paid a whole bunch of money to try and upgrade her charges to a felony so they can wait around for two more years.
Well if she's not competent to stand trial. She certainly isn't competent for the outside world either.
🤣
That is so true! What kind of laws are those 😒😡
she may take someone else's child and kill them. Lock her up or give the death penalty
@@SusieQUnleashed lock her up but not the death penalty. We don’t kill people for being for being crazy here. Don’t let her out.
I agree with you. In my opinion she is not competent of being a human she is evil
Latest update that I found: As of Sept. 2021, Catherine lost her appeal and the charges against her still stand.
Thank God! Thank you for checking!!!
Thank god! Shes CRAZY
@@judybrown1810 😂😂😂💀 get over it
@@judybrown1810 cry
Were the children's remains ever found??
Her lawyer is a liar, complicit in murder, furthering pain, loss, anguish, and suffering, and should be in prison.
I kind of feel like if the roles were reversed he would be sitting in jail charged with two counts of first degree murder. I feel so bad for this dad. I couldn't imagine going through this and knowing the court is failing him
Edit: The two murder charges were dropped because the 5 year period to convict her passed. The judge ordered her to remain in detention at the maximum-security psychiatric hospital where she has been since her arrest nearly eight years ago. They also say the state reserves the right to charge her again if she is ever released. Pretty ridiculous she is not found to be competent to stand trial.
For sure, without a doubt he would have already in jail... just going by past examples...
She is in jail on 2 charges of murder and as of February 2020 she is appealing. I live in Maryland and our court searches are free and public so I looked her name up
@cosmosspring what "claim?"
@@cosmokramer5055 thank gosh. She deserves to rot in jail for her entire life
@cosmosspring Bruh they were giving their opinion, you can't really give any sources that lol
Why couldn’t she just leave and leave the children with their dad😢
Thats the question
Like alot of parents they use the children to hurt the other parent gawd I hate that shit
I've been following this case for a long time. She could have but wanted to hurt Troy so she took the kids.
No proof
Because she hates him and wanted to hurt him. Now she's blaming mental illness because that's what sociopaths do.
Her parents were complicit in all of this. They knew for years that their daughter was a danger to those children.
Yes they did 😔
Very Sad. The tragedy feels preventable. People don’t want to address mental illness and instability, especially older parents.
he was with her for 5 years, during the most stressful years, raising young children. He knew too.
Somebody needs to drain that whole gene pool.
Her parents must have been a danger to her first. People don’t get this stuff out of nowhere.
Breaks my heart for this dad. God bless him. Praying for the children to be found.
Her mother knows something and is protecting her daughter.. She should be Held In Jail for NOT complying with police..
You sleeping while your kids are missing? strange!
They should have placed her in a mental health facility, when her parents and man ALL agreed she shouldn't be alone with their kids; her parents probably thought they were protecting her and the kids by not putting her in a facility, and agreed to follow a rule that they clearly didn't take seriously, and now the children are gone. Fucked up.
yes, when she had misdemeanor charges she was adamant that her daughter could tell what happened, she never said they were alive. Now that the charges are second degree murder they are suddenly alive and safe
Comment after comment by these women on here named “b.e. Marshall Campbell” in all the comments saying that the kids are safe and that “she has a feeling that the women is being abused by the husband.” And then types and copy/pastes the same comments in all these threads. There’s other women saying the same thing but at least they take the time to type out each comment. I just find it strange that this is the standard on these videos, but if the genders were swapped, you would *NEVER EVER* find a popular comment with dudes saying “nah, she looks slutty and all women who look like that must be killers too.” 🤦🏻♂️ like maybe some assholes would comment that, but it wouldn’t have 400 upvotes. Looks like we have to worry about other types of dangerous people other than Murderers. We also have to watch out for people who are so far gone, they’ll literally believe someone just because of their gender.... which if you spoke to them, they would claim that their entire existence is predicated on opposing that type of thinking... as long as the genders are in the right places that is.
I think her father was involved he is super sus. I bet he is the 2nd impostor.
She seems to be sane enough to kidnap her kids with no trace, run away from her husband and evade search parties for days but she's not competent enough to discuss the whereabouts of her children? There's nothing wrong with this woman, at least not enough to be exempt from revealing their location and her motives.
100% this is just stupid
The way you put it together is absolutely well said. And why all of a sudden the mom changed. The kids were in no danger from their dad, it was their mom they had to worry about.
100%!
Exactly. Sane enuf to disguise her appearance too. Unbelievable
She knew enuf to cover up lie n denye!!!
If she can cut her hair and disguise herself then she is completely competent.
Wrong.
You obviously are not well versed in schizophrenia, which is what catherine has.
@@nikki1932 I don't think anybody is in their right mind when they commit murder. It is up to the doctors to determine whether she is capable to stand trial. I've been to prison a few times. There's nothing more that the inmates want then to be put on mental health court, or to not be found competent. They will go years throwing shit on their walls just to act crazy. I personally feel that if somebody kills somebody they should do the time whether or not their mentally ill. They should either do their time in a mental health facility, or in prison. She obviously killed her kids. That's just disgusting.
Not if she is suffering from delusional paranoia, which she patently is. Schizophrenics can self care.
All of you defending multiple personalities but forget that this woman is probably a murderer and that any of you who also have multiple personality disorders are trying to write off murder as a symptom. If you have kids then I guess we all have the right to question you as a parent if you're defending the behavior. Maybe people with mpd's shouldn't have the right to have or have contact with children then if this is the new normal. Don't believe it for a minute.
@@peacenlove3faith302 Whatever the reason for murder is, she did murder two kids so she either goes to jail or an asylum locked and medicated. The society doesn't have enough time or room for people like her and the older son was about to be murdered too and she could go get him at any time without anyone knowing and murder him. When you remove a life your life no longer matters, even if it is a mental disorder.
I’m so sick of these psychos that kill their children always getting away with the shit but then people go to prison for a lot less the system is so messed up, she murdered them and she is definitely competent to stand trial and her mother is protecting her as well
shims and shams of secret society made as if they are gods and goddess
O so true 😢
seriously, she is competent enough to cover it up, go get food, and repeatedly lie. If she was really that incompetent she would be saying she sent them on a comet to an angel or something
This is disgusting.
I’m getting STRONG Casey Anthony vibes
or Lori Vallow....
Sho' damn.
Especially with her parents involved :(
Exactly my thoughts. Smart white young good looking female... and the courts don't know what to with them.
Yup ... she took those innocent kids and literally took them out in cold blood 🩸.. woman like this one ☝️ I would like to get just a minute in the same room... every murderer who kills plays the game of “ I’m mentally ill “ GTFOH
UGHHHH
How did her parents not set off an alarm when she came home without jacob???
I'm glad so many people agree that they should've done something.
Exactly what I’m saying.. Like what tf were they thinking?!
It's easy to say hindsight is 20/20 and/or be judgemental..... But I'm sure that even if they recognized that she was a nutcase, no one thinks their daughter is capable of getting rid of her own children... This is def an odd one
@@jamiekensington1155 I have several mentally ill relatives and would absolutely be suspicious if they showed up without a child that had no other reasonable person to be watching them. While not everyone would, if you have mentally ill people and children in your life you have to watch out for them.
I think they may have had a part in it
I thought the same. "There were rules set by her family and Troy that she wasn't to be alone with the kids ever, drive with them ever." They let her drive with the 2 year old though?
There is a lot to say about this case, but I want to add: the dad seems like a wonderful man and I'm very sorry for everything he has to endure
The dad is mentally abusive
@@Amy_L33 how do you know?
@@Aubreysjourney I know Troy's sister. And this is not the case.
@@Amy_L33 How exactly do you know this or is this just your opinion? I know what emotional and physical abuse looks like and this isn’t it?
@@tayona1350 so that was 100% opinion based and based off literally nothing of weight. As someone who lived in Germantown at the time, I witnessed him night after night handing out flyers and searching fields. I would close at my job every night leaving well past 12am, and I saw him several times, as well as his mom- the other grandma. I’ve spoken to her, allowed her to vent and cry with me. Stop saying dumb and damaging things when you can’t base it off anything. Another internet troll we do not need.
Her parents need to be held responsible, too. They knew she had these issues and they did nothing. They are just as guilty as she is. How dare they act like this. They lied to her husband and they’re lying to law enforcement to protect Catherine.
I feel the grand parents know of their disappearance or they themselves are hidin or holding them some where or she maybe sold them... 🤷🤷🤷🤷I feel they're alive... I hope its not the other way....
@@sweetsugarlipzz749 Unfortunately, they’re not alive!
Parents WILL protect their pups! Usually.
So they all agree that she shouldn’t be driving but yet while at her parents house, she took the keys and “borrowed” her fathers car and drove off? Wtf
I WAS THINKING THAT
Yes Dad was conveniently left out of the narrative, only mug shots were shown.
@ Because he failed his grandkids. He let his daughter do what she wasn't supposed to be doing.
and he let her take the kid........Now, he is making speeches on TV.
They also agreed she would never be left alone with the kids.... yet....
Some people shouldn’t be allowed to have kids .
That is for sure!!!
Now that's true 👀
Ong
The same goes for that bouncer looking dude who kept having sex with a schizophrenic woman, on the limb. Shame on him. Did he think it was OK ? sperm donors are not respectable.
@Billy Joel what a dictating and cynical opinion, it’s within our human rights to reproduce.
I feel so sad for that man. So much evil in this world..
I agree. Hit me right in the feels! :(
Me too I can't even imagine what he has been through all this time.
NO tears......he should have tried harder.
@@linanicolia1363 people process trauma differently
lina nicolia not all people cry
A justice system that protects a murderous mother but seeks no justice for these children is beyond disgusting. If it were not for this poor father there would have definitely been 3 viictims.
Absolutely right. Children come first, always. Catherine is manipulative, murderous, schemer. She's not mentally ill, just evil.
This is BS she was smart enough to change her hair and hide but is not all crazy let her stand trail or chg law
bloody medical professionals, they make lots of mistakes, they aren't saints
Very smart
Right
I think even if she is, in the eyes of the judge, truly insane and therefore shouldn't get a prison sentence (I really don't believe she is), in my country she still would have to stand trial and then get send to a prison like mental institution for criminals. To not be fit for trial she seem pretty normal on the videos and to her own family...
I don't get the US I have seen to videos of really mentally ill prisoners, that with sever schizophrenia where somehow in normal prisons. One was boiled alive in a shower for 2 hours till his skin fell of and he died, it was to punish him because he shit himself and smeared it on the walls (no charges for the guard's!). The other was a veteran that had a psychotic episode and wouldn't put his hands trough the door to be put in cuff's, so the guard fired a flashbang grenade from a shotgun direct at him.
Put she isn't even fit to be questioned by the cops after she killed her children? The to guys I wrote about where there for some shit like stealing or drug possession can't remember exactly.
⁰p.o
This is so tragic. They are using mental illness to dissuade the investigation. I mean it's the little kids. Anyone who harms any children deserves a maximum sentence in prison whether mentally ill or not.
Postpartum psychosis should be an exception (sometimes). Loving mothers have eaten their own babies. Sometimes brains completely malfunction. In this case, it’s not an excuse because she clearly knows right from wrong and made a choice, but sometimes the insanity defense is legit.
@@tarantulady Yep! Its awful some Women have thrown the kids over cliffs...to protect them from the threat thats coming...demonic and all in the mind..
There are cases of severely mentally ill mothers who kill their kids believing they`re saving them from the brutality of this world. They would never have done this had they been sane. Having said that, I don`t believe this is the case here.
@@tarantulady Sorry. I disagree. What matters is that 2 innocent children are DEAD.Not the mother's twisted feefees and why she did what she did. Kid killers don't need to be in society AT ALL. If she thought Aliens told her to do it, who cares? Those two people are gone now.
@@ElanaVital83 same tho, I mean okay you can say you got mental illness but it doesn't mean you can get lighter sentence.. there's a case about man with schizophrenia he's a serial killer, said he need to drink blood to stay alive. Well he got electric chair.
Like it's no use to free them, they're a danger to society. A killer will always be a killer
What's wrong with this women's Father and Mother? They both knew the one kid was already missing and didn't say a word to the kids Father. Maybe her parents are mentally ill too.
The grandparents look like One Flew Over The Cuckoo Nest.
Or in on it
Very ill, these grandparents! The poor child!
Hell they probably know where those kids are
They are in on it. Grandma is playing damage control and pretending to be on both sides. Daughter is playing stupid. The whole family are master manipulators and are gaming the system.
How tragic. To deem her incompetent is absolutely absurd. If she knew how to play a game and lie about the safety of the children and also can plan a murder, and actually execute it shows me that she is indeed competent to stand trial. What a cop out. Senseless. 😥
with the currupt lawyers help
What's sad is her family didnt tell father about mental health issues. If her family knew she could have been treated and possibly her children still alive.
If she didn’t kill them what did she do she wouldn’t sell them would she ??
jail her for life she may speak
Being mentality ill doesn't mean being stupid. That's clearly murder and they just let her go.
@Gee-2-DKay dumbest comment ever. You just proved people are stupid.
@@lavayachelsea2638 dumbest comment ever is a bit of a reach. Seen alot worse🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Gofftits69 guess so but this one takes the cake for me.
Of course they let her go
@@lavayachelsea2638 🤣😂🤣😂
2 year old at the sleepover and the grandparents are ok with that sorry to say seems to me the whole family is mentally unstable
The apple doesn't fall to far from the tree. I think your on to something.
Should we blame your parents for all your mistakes are you adult enough to think for yourselves?
@@MC-iw9jp not blaming the parents but think of it 2 year old for sleepovers not even at the relatives and that ok
The child was probably on a sleepover at a paedophiles place
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The surviving child needs therapy-STAT.
I agree 🙏
He has gotten it.
@@SurrealisticSlumbers so right.
Well no shit. And so does the dad and everyone else involved.
Well considering that the dad was in denial and didn't think the kids were dead, he probably never told his son that the 2 other children were dead, so the kid probably thinks they're just "gone" just like when you explain to your kid how your dog died.
Missing since 9-7-14. I lost a son on 8-26-14. 9 yrs just past. The pain is still there. I pray for justice for the two little ones.
Lost a child 48 years ago, still feel it and miss her. I am old but the pain doesn’t disappear with time. Sorry for your loss dear
I too lost my daughter & only child 30 years ago. Something you never “get over”, as others will may tell you.
I am so sorry for you and your family ❤
@@sharoncruzen1942I'm so sorry you went through this ❤
I’m so sorry
The grandmother knows their dead. She’s protecting her daughter.
Mom has the same crazy eyes.
Grandma 👵looks evil. Poor babys
Especially when she said "these children" when she was being interviewed. Instead of "my grandchildren"
The granddad looks evil too !
@@EASTSIDERIDER707 I share Your Sentiment , with the difference being - I shared Your Sentiment in reference to Her father.
The whole “Mental illness” defense is such a ruse. Start holding people accountable for their evil actions. This is filicide pure and simply.
Amen!!!
They haven't been proven to be dead.
@MO mo To be clear, I think the 'mother' should be held criminally responsible and clearly knew she did something wrong by running away. Yes, she seems to have a mental illness, but not all of those who have a mental illness will not be held criminally liable; only those who successfully show evidence of the 'insanity defence' will which in my opinion should not be the case with her. To be held not criminally liable as a result to mental illness or essentially ONLY insanity, one would need to provide evidence that they have no guise of what is right and wrong. It is NOT on the sole basis of 'they aren't in frame of mind'. Those with depression can be labelled as 'not in the right frame of mind' but most still know what's right and wrong. For instance, someone who ran from the cops after killing an individual because they taught the person was a supernatural being would likely still be held criminally responsible but also provided psychiatric help; running away indicates they knew it was wrong to kill someone. Similarly, by partaking in drug consumption, one is acknowledging the associated results of it. Yes there are many flaws in the criminal justice system in practice including the unnecessary use of the insanity defence but what you presented was not a reflection of the criminal justice system based on its writing. Additionally, 'meds' for those 'mentally ill' is not a cure. It's not a biological only disease that gets cured as a result of solely medication.
@paul Nelson you're so rite. Smh.
@Ashley Maples exactly!
i feel so bad for the dad he seems like a genuinely good parent who cares for his children. if the roles were reversed he would def be in jail. i hope he can find peace one day ❤️
AbSoLuTeLy, this some bs.
Really ? I find him very scary, actually
@@IwasBlueb4 why?
Beware this evy Courtney account is on here to spread misinformation about the case I guess in hopes of making a narrative
@@omegakrazii I looked at her account and evidently she roots for the "guilty" in every single case.
When a grandmother calls her grandbabies,”these children”,there’s something wrong with her,emotionally.
yeah, psychopathy is genetic
they definitely know something.
Mental illness runs in the DNA
They need hauled in and charged too
That’s probably where the mother got the crazy from
This poor man. He really holds himself up well under these horrific circumstances.
🤔🤔😂😂😂😂
Cruelty towards kids, elderly and the vulnerable makes my BLOOD BOIL!!!!!!
Don’t forget animals.. they are just as innocent.
@@beebeebee7000 just about to say the same
@@beebeebee7000 no one cares about animals
@@beebeebee7000 was about to mention animals too.
@@Animeow08 so that means the ones who do care can’t voice our sadness and frustrations when something happens to them? And don’t generalize the ones who do care, you can be careless but I’m not. :)
Grandma knows something, why would she hide behind the door. You'd be shouting from roof tops, taking interviews, screaming, "Where are my grandbabies". Grandma knows what's going on. She now trying to protect her daughter. Something bizarre going on in this family. Also what federal building is open at 3am (I thought that's what they said). And why weren't the lakes or rivers searched immediately. Someone say...... Incompetence???
Agreed! Vallow's grandparents were fighting to know where their grandbabies were located. Not some incompetent, protecting her herself and daughter....she knows more than she is saying
yes, Im sure grandma now knows where they are ....and cannot reveal it for good reasons....
Oh she knows....... she just doesn’t want her daughter in trouble.
I was wondering the same thing. The door was unlocked to a federal building at 3-4am???
I wouldn't be surprised if the kids were in the grandmothers home when she denied the reporter inside her home that day.
complete case update:
Catherine hoggle got away. the judge dismissed the 2 murder charges and christine was involuntarily admitted into a mental institution. this system is messed up beyond belief.
rest in peace to the two young children who lost their lives to their own mother.
i send my love to the father and oldest child in this case.
That's horrible
It's sooo obvious she killed her kids.
Gross
This case has Casey Anthony written all over it. The changing stories, the lies , the inconsistencies. Even the fact that the mother first accused her and then changed her stance later on , Casey's parents did the same. This is just tragic.
Speaking of........how in hell did Casey Anthony get found not guilty
@@proanimaluver6487 Yeah that one ill never understand. Thats American justice for you.
@@proanimaluver6487 it's bc they did not first prove that her father didnt do it... It gave reasonable doubt
But the investigators said she was a very convincing woman...... thats a red flag as to that investigators if they believed anything she said. From day one those kids missing she was acting suspicious as hell
@@proanimaluver6487 Because she’s a young attractive white women.. same reason the teen blonde cheerleader didn’t get charged for killing her newborn baby.
If the private detective thinks the children's bodies are in the water, he should try to get a hold of Jared Leisek & his team at Adventures with Purpose. They're divers that go across the country, for free, to help find missing people's bodies in water. They're very good at what they do! I pray for peace for this family & those two innocent babies.💔
I was thinking the same thing. The guys are amazing @Adventures with Purpose.
Let’s hope they do and that they find them. At least then the truth will come out.
I love watching their videos and they’ve helped so many people find out what happened to their loved ones. So sad 😢
I was just think the same thing there amazing
Yes! Awesome guys!
The court is protecting the murderer instead of the helpless children!😡🤬😡
As always
Court and judges are incompetent
I would have gotten physical with her in that car after about 20min of that bs.
:(
Per usual!!! So so sooooo sick of these corrupt public servants!!!!
Imagine how this could have turned out, if her parents had told the truth on the first night. God only knows if it would have saved the little boy but it certainly would have saved the little girl.
This country's justice system is a joke. The joke of the entire world.
Cloud9551 Austrias/Germanys justice System is more than only a joke ...
@@angelinaneckam8115 Mam in India we have right to claim insanity as exception and they just take into account sanity of accused at the time of crime and if the accused is proven to be insane at the time the crime happened, the accused will be acquitted
wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/07/catherine-hoggle-appeals-ruling-to-not-dismiss-murder-counts-in-childrens-disappearance/
How many countries have you lived in Cloud955a?
Thank the Brits for it...
now i could understand why my mom checked me every night before she went to sleep. she stopped doing it after i became an adult but i fully understand why she did that
My Mom still does it...of course over the phone but still!!!
Children are worry some!
I still check my kids. They're 24,21 &18. My youngest is off at college so I can't physically I mean I could drive to her dorm but I'm trying to be good lol. She calls me every night and in the morning because she knows mama is crazy enough to drive to the university. If my son and oldest daughter aren't going to be home for the night they call me and let me know. My mama checked on me everyday until she passed and I miss it so much.
@@ksinclair-garcia2092 yes im always home on time and if i cant make it i give her a call i never want her to worry
@@ksinclair-garcia2092 yeah I am 37 my brother 29 and baby sister is 27 and if my mom doesn't know where we are or hasn't heard from us at least every two hours she freaks out. I also have to know where my two are at all times!!!!
I hope he doesn’t blame hisself . I know my children’s father doesn’t go wake them up if he’s coming home late . Because he trusts me very much with them .
So I’m sure that’s how this man felt as well. It’s heartbreaking to know someone you trust around you and your children can do something so evil . And that’s their actual mother
He probably won’t trust a single soul ever again.
It was probably the last thing on his mind. I mean, she may have had issues, but he clearly trusted her with their kids. Thank god she didn’t get to the 5 year old. Poor babies. I feel so sorry for this man.
I agree, I feel so bad for him💔
@@rhm987 Don’t think he did, she wasn’t allowed to be alone with them.
How involved was he in the lives of his girlfriend and children? How did he not notice her mental illness? And why do the children have her last name, not his? Just wondering.
I wonder if she had given him something, which is why he was extra tired.. did she intend on killing him first then blaming the children's deaths on him?...
I want to give this poor man a hug 😭
Well it worked for Casey Anthony, she claimed she left her daughter with a babysitter, only she came up with a name for the babysitter, turned out it was a lie.
She have the"crazy 👀 eyes"
She got away with murdered her daughter. She should be in jail for life
@Jevonte H the jury did think so, they just didn't have the proof. Not guilty doesn't mean they didn't do it, it just means they don't have provable evidence.
Xanny the nanny
What worked for the Anthony woman was the death penalty for a guilty verdict. They should have taken it off the table, so all jury members would have found her guilty. They could not send a woman to death without a smoking gun as the case was circumstantial. They knew she had done it but sending her to her death was too much for these people. It would not have bothered me, had I been a jury member. I would have found her guilty ! and ready for re-cycling. A mother who drugs her child and keeps her confined , with tape around her mouth and likely her nose, does not deserve to live and bear more children. It is evident, that poor little girl was treated like garbage, by her mother ; before and after her death.
An innocent person doesn't act the way she did. She was smart enough to go to the Chic Fil A and make an escape. She's not that stupid. She obviously did something to the kids. I feel sorry for the children.
This has nothing to do with anything but I love that I’m seeing Chicfila because I just saw a tik tok that said it’s Chick-fil-A and ??????
Yeah, she did something to them and was smart enough to get away with it. She knew exactly what she was doing and what she did to get away. All of premeditated. The entire plan!
Right she tried to call a cab, she went out the side door, she knew he wasn’t gonna stop looking for those children and she was out of lies.
@@stacyneel9721 She´s an evil person that knows very well how to manipulate her surroundings. Mental illness or not that woman is evil
@@rachellebuch1983 are u serious? 🙄 nobody gives af duh 😒 🙄 it’s about the kids
This keeps going on. Casey Anthony. Chabell. Sick of it. Put them in prison the inmates will find out where they are
Exactly 💯! They always find someone they can confine in & its always their roommate!! They feel safe and they think they can't be charged again for the same thing twice. Just like the Travis Alexander story! Dirty little secret Jody Aries!! Two roommates and they got discharged years later then they busted her wide open!! They told everyone on tv and news crew's what she told them behind bars!! Jody had help killing Travis that night!!
Casey Anthony store just makes me so mad. Even the Lmn movie!
Let's not forget Chris Watts . Surprised he's still alive in prison .
@@gregorywheless3064 yeah well that’s because they can’t get to him! Trash can’t take out the trash if he’s always watched. Hopefully he goes into genpop and a couple guards turn a blind eye! What a waste of life he has. _“According to reports, Watts must stay in his Wisconsin jail cell for 23 hours a day. The only time he's allowed to leave his cell to exercise and shower. When he is in his cell, he doesn't do much at all. He's allowed to keep a Bible and family pictures inside, but that's it”_
RIGHT
His last statement to his kids was absolutely heart breaking.
How devastating for this father... he deserves closure.
To the babies : please know that your dad and others care. Be without pain where ever you are.
😭😭😭
Yes I'm sure they're reading youtube comment sections right now.
@@melizabeth. lmmfao right who TF is she talking too G
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Some of ya on these comment threads are ignorant but I PRAY YA DONT GO THRU THIS WITH YA CHILDREN AND NO MY GRAMMAR IS NOT PROPER BUT I SAID WTF I SAID
Imagine being the lawyer to a person who is so clearly guilty
That is my same question, for lawyers is it ok for them to defend the wrong person.
not all money is good money! I personally can't put a price on virtue. Not everyone sees it that way though
@Rocket Pliance That's looking at it from the simplest pov. You have to do a cost-benefit analysis. That's how you determine the true value of that money. What are you giving up to get that money? Have you ever turned down a job that people want you to take because of the 'money'? The money sounds good to someone that doesn't know what you sacrificed to get it.
@Rocket Pliance wether or not it feels lit a million dollars does not increase the purchasing power of that $100. I'm assuming the child barely did any work/ sacrifice anything for that money. So that money is all profit
@Rocket Pliance My point is that the 100 dollars is still just a hundred dollars. What the child 'feels like' is insignificant to the conversation. The child feels that way because there wasn't any sacrifice made. On the other hand, if you make the child wash all the clothes in your home, cut the grass, do the groceries e.t.c before you reward the child with 100 dollars, I guarantee the child will not 'feel like a millionaire'. Why's that?! Maybe because the same 100 dollars now weighs less, the child just traded labor and time in exchange for it!
She's competent to hide their kids so well but not to stand trial?
This may sound kind of messed up but I probably would have just tortured the lady until she said what happened to the kids.
messed up ? ur evil
In THIS case-YES!
I'm with you, what else could I lose? I am nothing without my children.
@dnlkq qgfjnk Not really. It’s like killing a chomo, are you really a bad person?
Evy Courtney no the mother is evil
I'm no therapist but mental health, its clear she knows right from wrong 😤
Knowing right from wrong does not define mental illness.
@D M I know it and it's wrong. A five year old does know right from wrong, too, does not mean that we should put them into prison if they steal something expensive?
@@Kitty-mb4hy Your analogy is flawed. Kids cannot be held accountable for their actions as their brains are not yet developed to fully comprehend the outcome of their actions.
@@mirianadimitrova2112 There are kids as young as 13 who are tried as adults for their crimes and sentenced to super long prison sentences. Their brains are not fully developed as well. Brain finishes developing at about 25 years old.
So my analogy is not much flawed honestly.
@@Kitty-mb4hy These are exceptional cases, though. Also there is a difference between a 5 year old (your initial example) and a 13 year old, don`t you think.
I remember this story, very unfortunate. I have an immense amount of empathy for this man. There’s nothing worse than the unknown. I pray he finds his children safe and sound.
I have some one in my extended family like this she has a very deep case of bipolar & they have to have a nanny when the father is not home. Mom is not allowed to be unsupervised with the children. They haven't ever been hurt, but she had taken them to the mall & various places & forgotten the kids there etc. The court let the family choose a full time nanny or loose custody.
Her indictment lists it as 2 charges of murder to which she is appealing as of February 2020
@@cosmokramer5055 no body case?
@Aloysius Redillas she killed them 100% sure
@Aloysius Redillas why watching this I said she sold those kids I’m not sure about the sex trafficking part but she most definitely sold them if she haven’t killed them.
The Judge was forced to dismiss the murder charges against Catherine because she still wasn't fit to stand trial and the statute of limitations for holding a murder charge was coming to an end. Hoggle was involuntarily committed because she remains a danger to herself and others.
Pretty sure there's no statute of limitations for murder
"There were rules set by her family and Troy that she wasn't to be alone with the kids ever, drive with them ever." They let her drive with the 2 year old though? She was alone with the 2 year old on Sunday for 3 hours, then came back without the child? Fishy!! The father then spent the night at her house and never said anything about her not coming home with the child?
And now the grandmother has changed her tune to believing the children are still alive... smh
troy said that when she came back without the 2 year old boy she was questioned about where he was and then she told them he was at a sleepover with their oldest son's friend. i don't understand why no one thought to check on him right then 😞
it becomes even more heartbreaking to know that this all could have been prevented had they actually held her to those rules that they set for her.
@@lostlikelindsay What 2 yr old goes on a sleepover never mind with an older siblings friend ? None. No 2 yr 0lds ever.
@@debbiemohekey1509 i agree! red flag right there and unfortunately no one thought to check it out 😫
Exactly WTF
How sad I'm sick of hearing about children being murdered all over this world that's horrible
I'm sick of people being murdered all over the world
Doubtful they will be found alive, but still have hope.
Selfish breeding with no business at parenthood
@SylvanaForrester 😮
I hope you don't have children 😡
And abused....and animals!!!
I’m a grandma and bossy if anything looks amiss. Children need to have protection
You can fake a mental illness by telling those "medical professionals" just exactly what they want to hear.
Absolutely true. This is one very clever, very evil woman who had planned all this in advance. Poor Troy who is a great Dad.
She smarter then all of them. She knows exactly what she’s doing
Are you suggesting that mentally ill people are intellectually deficient?
@@rubyparchment5523 exactly my question. People just don't seem to understand how mental illnesses work.
@Aisha Seaton criminals can be extremely smart. She’s obviously known what she had to do to get away with murder and she has done it. Unfortunately 😕
@Aisha Seaton a lot of cases go unsolved, u got to remember the justice system are also human 🤷🏻♀️
@@sarahhibrahim IKR? They have it confused with retardation!
This poor dad, I couldn't imagine his pain. He trusted her with their kids. And the poor 5 year old who now has to grow up without not only his mom but his younger siblings too.
WELL he’s OBVIOUSLY better of with the mum!
@@leabeauty837
Do you mean" he is Obviously better off with the Mom " as in the Mom that has taken the lives of the other 2 kids?
Who wants to grow up with a "mom" who has plans for your disappearance.... Not. Ever!!!!!
@@leabeauty837 Hello?? She Wanted to kill him Also!! 🤦🤷💔
This is one of the most disturbing cases. Especially in relation to justice being served.
Exactly
As a Marylander, this hits so close to home. I really hope that these poor babies are safe somewhere, because who could fathom worse case scenario? I pray this murderer gets everything she deserves and more. I believe she knew exactly what she was doing, and it was definitely premeditated. As to the father, you are a great dad. I will pray for you, and I hope you keep your faith because miracle’s do come true! Im not trying to mislead you, but miracle’s begin with faith, and in a tragic situation like this, that’s all that seems left to hope for, is a miracle. May God bring you and your family peace, no matter the outcome.
I feel so sorry for the father I know that he will forever feel guilty for something that he had absolutely no control of smh praying for the family😪🙏🏾
This poor guy! Despite not initially being in a relationship - and then later on seeing some mental health issues with Catherine - he stuck it out: for the sake of a family; for the sake of seeing three children grow-up and go through graduation and all those wonderful life events!!! But now -- now she sounds like Casey Anthony! praying + + + +
@@jeanneewaseck6635 I definitely agree
@Omerta_ Don83 mine too smh
@@jeanneewaseck6635 definitely Casey Anthony vibes
I watch stuff like this and pray for my little brother that he won't ever make a family with the wrong woman. I send him videos like this a lot and he thinks I'm nuts because he's just 14, but he'll be dating soon enough and girls already like him. So yea I'll be crazy if it means looking out for him, teaching him what to look for when it comes to women. I never want him to go thru anything even close to something like this.
Some women are just not meant to be parents or mother.
Sad...
But alas unfortunately that is the truth 😔
Kind of the same, lol?
Sooo true. Her mom knew before kid 1 that she wasn't well mentally. Mom or dad was supposed to have informed him. In deniel " sweep it under the rug".
Lori Daybell ❕ She wouldn’t tell where her children where either. It took so long to arrest her.
Some people would give anything to have kids, while people like this just 'pop' them out.
This poor father, i pray for him. He just wants to find his children, this poor man deserves happiness
@ thats awful! Im so sorry, and I hope that your little girl gets the best in life 🥺
@Dark Matter ?
"Mom" needs to be locked up UNTIL she tells authorities where those poor children are.
Even if she is crazy why can’t she tell cops where the bodies are? How is this ok
@@JosephKulik2016 very true! You never know who someone truly is.
@@JosephKulik2016 this "poor woman" had the sense and mentality to get rid of 1 child, wait a period of time,then get rid of another child.she also had the sense and mentality to ring a taxi and work out her escape route from her hubby to escape in the taxi. she also had the sense and mentality to get a haircut to change her appearence to evade capture. i'd put my life on it she's playing the system. how about hypnotizing her to find out where she put those two innocent,defenseless children. and before u jump down my throat about not understanding about this "poor mentality ill woman" ,let me tell u about me. i have PTSD, major depression,major anxiety,schizophrenia,and dual personality disorder.i have had several mental breakdowns. i know all about medical,psychological and psychiatry treatments. there's no way on earth this woman has been incompetant to be interviewed or stand trial. modern medication combined with therapy works wonders. she is a fraud, and needs to be held accountable for what she did to those bubbas, and reveal where their bodies are so at least the father can have some kind of closure. and if they are not dead, she has sold them. they are either dead by her hands, or sold to traffickers with her blessing.
@@JosephKulik2016 how the heck can u say the hubby needs to take some responsibility for his children disappearing, because he didnt do a history check on his wife? history checks can predict nothing. there are thousands of cases all over the world where a person has killed their spouse, and they have had a "perfect" history, with no prior violence or trouble with the police. i dont want to lower myself to say what i really think of you and your comments, so i'll just leave it as "pathetic".
They said she wanted to talk to police but the judge said she was unfit too. Even if she was delusional which she's not I would have someone listening to her ramble 24/7 in case she dropped where they might be.
Background checks aren't doing anything pretty sure she had no priors for running off with her kids and killing them
@@JosephKulik2016 it’s gross to me that you think Troy has any responsibility in not recognizing that his wife was going to do this to his children. Especially because he didn’t do a BACKGROUND CHECK!? Are you kidding me?! How dare you put that on this POOR FATHER. He lost his children ffs. What is wrong with you?
She absolutely knew what she was doing and should be held accountable.
I want to live in a world where all monsters are held accountable for what they do, thank you!
I could not agree more!!
I want to live in a world without monsters
I want to live in a world where there are no monsters.
I want to be in a world where shit like this doesn't happen
I want to live in a world with no monsters ❤️
why do they say such stupid things, "she's a very convincing woman." How is that convincing.. " I left them at a daycare but dont.know where." Ridiculous.
I don't understand how a mother could harm her children. When you feel your baby growing inside of you, the love you feel is indescribable. How does this happen?
Motive motive motive
Matricide is not uncommon my dear ☹️
Do research on Post Partum Depression. It's very real and tragic. My mom went through it with my brother, but she thankfully got the help she needed.
@@violetgumibear Oh, stop with the "post partum" lie. These weren't infants.
@@broeheemed32 I have to agree, it no longer is confirmed as ppd after a specific amount of months after the birth.
If she is basically 'Too crazy' to be held responsible than i guess Hitler deserves some kind of pity too right? Give me a F'n break. Horrible.
If she is not mentally ill then wtf is wrong with her killing and even planning to kill not just two but all 3 her children? This makes it worse.
These "Mental Experts" are the same morons that test felons and determine them to be "safe for early release and not likely to re-offend" and are wrong 83% of the time! If you were wrong 83% of the time at your job how long would you be employed? If a medical Doctor prescribed the wrong medication 83% of the time or a police officer wrote the wrong name/tag number on a citation 83% of the time or your bank deposited money in the wrong account 83% of the time how long would any have their jobs?
D Wade wish we could sterilize people like this
@@nunyabuisness7552 exactly. Those people act like they're better than everyone else too. I have a brother in law who's a lawyer and he's a douche. He loves talking about rehabilitation, when victims of lowlives didn't do anything wrong to be rehabilitated for. Then they let them out to harm more people and don't care because of $$ for themselves during more trials in the future.
You took the words right outta my mouth,
Her mother doesn't seem very stable, I think she knows more.
I hate to say it but the fact is the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree.
I think she’s just in denial, hopefull as well.
Wambam UK how can you possibly comment on someone's stability based on a few seconds of footage??? How incredibly presumptuous and just plain ridiculous. It's possible she's in denial or just trying to be hopeful. None of us are in any position to evaluate anyone's level of stability here, get over yourself.
Well, she's cooperating with police and lawyers. She appears to want answers and she wants those children back, so why would she lie to protect her daughter?
Might be protecting her from getting convicted by claiming the children are still alive. Casey Anthony's mom said she was the one who searched up chloroform and we think it's because the prosecutors had the death penalty on the table.
Omg the little boy reminds me of my son that passed away 😢 I hope this case gets resolved
Her mom is lying, once the charges were upgraded she totally decided to back her daughter...
In the interview she sounds exactly like Casey Anthony's idiot mother.
Right…..the 🍎 DONT fall to far from the 🌳
when she said she didn’t know where the daycare was i automatically knew she did it
The pictures they show of her look disturbing. The look on her face is blank and soul less...this happened right up the road from me...
Oh my gosh!😵🤯😥
My mom's friend was a neighbor of theirs it's so freaky when it's this close to home right?
She does look like an empty soul behind those eyes
The eyes are the windows to the soul and hers are blank and cold.
@Jim 762 LOL
Troy is an amazing guy. I feel so awful for him. I can’t imagine. In fact, I don’t want to imagine. It’s too painful.
How in the world could a mother ever harm her children. The ones who she grew inside her for 9 months, fed them, clothed them, loved them. I just don't get it.
She couldn't have loved them😐
Unfortunately this happens way more often than it should. I find it absolutely disgusting though, how can you give someone a chance to live but decide to kill them? Just imagining what was going through the little one’s heads during all this makes me sick.
@KEVIN AMAYA-CALDERON you have a pretty good point
Plenty of y'all should not even have one 🥺
Any idiot can get pregnant. Doesn't mean they are qualified to be a parent.
I’m a mother myself. I can honestly say that loving her more than ANYTHING…I’d NEVER give my daughter a pass for doing this. No way!
💯% Couldn't have said it better. Needs to be more mother's that protect their children that do these horrible acts and they know about it, but won't say nothing be held just as accountable as their child that did the act.
Torture should be legal under certain circumstances. Just saying.
You said it but I'm pretty certain many of were thinking it as well.
Never.
@@justinakubiliuniene1332 sometimes?
Nope
Never
It’s now been 9 years since the kids have been home. I can’t imagine the father living this. I think her mother knows something.
Mental illness isn’t an excuse for killing your children. A lot of people /parents have mental health issues but they don’t kill their children.
Imo mentally ill people would confess
That isn't the issue, you've jumped ahead. It is, instead, is she legally competent to stand trial?
It depends on the mental illness, it’s severity, etc.
Mental illness is very much a spectrum and is different for everyone. Some people are in fact so mentally ill that they cannot be considered responsible for their actions. That's why there are protections for those deemed incompetent to stand trial. That being said, I have a hard time believing in this case that she didn't know what she was doing. She took numerous actions to conceal what she had done and now refuses to say where the children are. I think the courts definitely have it wrong in this case and she should be held accountable for this.
People react differently and hve different levels and types of mental illness.
What she did was evil and wrong, period. But saying “lots of people have mental illness and don’t do A B and C” makes things out to be black and white, which they are not.
Not all women are equipped to be mums. May the little angels rest in peace.
❤️ so true
If she kept her phone on her when she took off with the kids. Could they not ping it and get an ideal location?
@Pamela Morris doesn't give a exact location, it's triangulated and gives an approximate location to start a search
I dont know the year either but maybe those system werent in place or maybe she desactivated the gps?
@@horror_wendafromsprunki what is it you're saying. exact and approximate are the same words. 🤔
*Like others have said, authorities can triangulate the area from whatever tower it pings off of, but you will not get an exact location unfortunately, however, if she has an iPhone and ‘Find my iPhone’ is turned on, it will give an exact location which they then can use to retrace her steps. Androids might have something similar, but I’m not sure. I know there’s a way you can have your gps running background constantly but only if you have it turned on/allow ‘Keep running background’; that’s how your gps tells you where you parked your car and such; it can also be used to trace where you’ve been.*
@@bleebleeblahblah approximate is a guess, or “close enough”, it does not mean the same thing as exact... in this context she means the phone towers could give a rough guess at her location, but not the exact address.
I will never understand how parents can hate one another more than they love their kids!
“The kids are safe” - *JUST LIKE LORI VALLOW?!?* Sickening!!
Imagine being the lawyer to a person who is so clearly guilty
@@tdhbpicbdjy1111 I couldn't do that. Ever.
Yup and this case isn't big like that one ?? Like why???
Rach C exactly! SAD!
exactly! what's with this whole epidemic with kids disappearing by the hands of their own mothers?
Katherine's parents are at fault too
You are right. Her mom lied n knew 🤦🏽♀️ but why was she acting? She wasn’t even mentally ill 🥺 idk y people lie
I feel like the husband needs to accept some responsibility. He said she wasn’t supposed to drive but took the kids to a “daycare” and then to a “sleepover”. I thought she isn’t supposed to drive or be alone with her children. Also, you find out your two kids are missing but you take the time to get your kid in the bus. Your wife is going to take you to your missing kids but you stop for soda first?? He has some explaining to do.
@@laurelgirard8475 it's not that crazy, he thought the kids were with the mom so he got his son on the bus. Which is logical. When he was with the wife she claimed the kids were safe at a daycare. Why would he worry when their own mom says they are safe somewhere? He didn't do anything wrong, you're forgetting that they were just living their normal everyday life. What parent automatically goes to my kids been kidnapped when they think their with their other parent? It doesn't happen. Stop being so fucking judgemental towards a father who lost his WHOLE FREAKING FAMILY
@@laurelgirard8475 ? The mom did all of that while he was asleep and “before” wen he came home she was making excuses so he won’t check on his kids. The kids was supposedly with the grandparents while they went to the store. He found out about her driving wen he woke up, Plus he put his child on the bus Bc he didn’t want to panic in front of his kid to make him worried. Like a normal parent should do. Why would u want to make a 5 year old scared about his siblings and mom missing? He’s too young to even comprehend and shouldn’t be going through anything like that at that age.
@@naomimills7215 lol I said the same shit. After I wrote mine then I read urs. It’s true tho n the dad is going through a lot idk how he’s in the wrong when he was protecting his 5 yr son from something tragic. Also, he’s still depressed about his children Bc their still missing. 💔🥺
Why weren’t the 15 bodies of waters in the area immediately and thoroughly searched from the very beginning…
Money
I read this as "... 15 bodies in water..." and was like, 'What the f@#$ is happening in that town?' 😂😂
Money resources and time usually the last place checked unless evidence points otherwise
@@Stopthisrightnow560 bro same 😂
You answered your own question, there were 15 bodies of water. It wasn't a homicide investigation from the start
The charges against Catherine were dropped in 2022. My heart breaks for the father because he'll probably never get answers.