Just a reminder: While the protagonist of Space Marine, Titus, was an Ultramarine, so was the one who turned him over to the Inquisition. Every chapter has their best and their worst.
Say the traitors name: Leandros, weakest of the get of Guilliman, faithless bastard son of a dog who would turn over his own brothers to the ministrations of the inquisition. Let his name be forever cursed, and may he know no glory in the light of the Emperors Grace. I CURSE HIM!
Eh, I don’t even think this is a portrayal of a bad Ultramarine. Roman martial culture wasn’t exactly gentle. People forget that about them, and it doesn’t get emphasized in the lore. But like, decimation was a real thing…
@@terminallove3531 Yes, but it's also the apothecary's fault for breaking squad cohesion without a word to the salamander, which goes against the tenants of the Codex Astartes the Ultramarines hold so dear. *This is why We Black Templars Don't Listen to Ultramarines.*
Also, Sa'kan is missing a hand here, he's at a distinct disadvantage, even if he joined, he really wouldn't be as much help as he would be a hindrance in this situation. Edit: I also feel I should mention Sa'Khan also faced a Deathmark, and another Destroyer before this, he's probably as winded as one can be from missing body parts and a heart, like he me mentioned to the civilians he led.
Everyone who is saying that the apothecary is no ultramarine because he is too heartless, consider this: the Ultramarines are logical. Brutus there is TOO logical, basically stating "We must not regret nor learn the enemy's culture, for it is of no use to a warrior". Only after a talk with Sa'kaan does he understand that being logical and being honorable are not the same
@@ShadyWizardude Not helped any by the fact There are no criminal kill-teams nor are there Rules for playing renegade guard or renegade space marines (Aside from Red Corsairs and well.. they're just Demi-horii) Also just doesn't help that because adeptus arbites aren't a playable faction, and generally you only see talk of local not-interstellar level threats in 40k's roleplaying books by varied dms and such, you tend to never see the community issues of Imperial Rule. Namely, that the quality of living is subsistence and if you object you die, unless you are in the privileged 1% Who actually get to see the atmosphere of the hive cities.
That's kinda cool that, despite his clear hatred for the Necrons, Sa'kan can almost pity just how much they lost. Their empire, their bodies, even their very mind and souls. Gone.
I think because he sees a parallel between themselves and space marines. Salamanders and their descendants cling on to their humanity while most other chapters discard it. The necrons represent just how far they could fall in pursuit of victory
@@mullerpotgieter In the twice dead king, a necron make the compation between humanity and necrontyr upon seeing servitors (which even the necron recognize as a bit too much). he is relieved that human burocracy is that much of a mess, else they'll end up in the same way of the necron
@@mullerpotgieter A good observation. It is probably unnerving to see the end result of what "Humanity/Morality is a weakness" end in. How many necessary sacrifices can you make before you've sacrificed all you fought for?
"Remember Apothecary, You too were one a human. A human child crying the dark." "My origins are dead." "No. They live on. You think it is a weakness. But consider your origins: you were not made to live as brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge. We defend the Imperium, But without wisdom we are a hollow as the dead."
"But consider your origins: you were not made to live as brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge." Thats from Dantes Inferno. The book. Not the game.
I like the conflict in their personalities. Obviously, not all Space Marines, even within the same chapter, are the same. There are Salamanders that many people would think are a**holes. However, I do think this Apothecary does fit the stereotypes of Ultramarines. Ultramarines are very proud and have high opinion of themselves. They are also very devout to the Codex Astartes and to the Imperial Truth. Ultramarines and their Primarch, Roboute Guilliuman, have no doubts about their purpose. They are the Emperor's warriors, made for war. However, the Salamanders were taught by their Primarch, Vulkan, that to in order to protect the Imperium, they must protect the people.
i'll also add that the role of the apothecary is likely one of the worse out of them all (maybe beaten by the master of the forge, personality wise). I mean, you are trained tomainly tear apart your fallen comrade for their geneseed, while in the middle of battle, as well as likely mercy kill quite a few of them, internating them into dreadnough and similar task
no, the apotechary is not the medic, despite what some can think. yes, an apotechary can fix you up a bit in battle so that you can keep on fighting. but their main job is to get their prothers' corpse, open them up with a drill and get the gene-seed, WHILE IN THE MIDDLE OF BATTLE. they know how to kill as well as any other astartes
I love the opening of this. It’s like a debate between two people who deeply respect eachother but fundamentally disagree on certain things. It’s fascinating to watch
That’s why I love the Horus Heresy books. Space Marines in the old days seemed a lot less closed minded. They were thinkers who understood their duty was to guard humanity, not look down on it. Ironically the paradigm seems to have shifted in the 41st millennium. Space Marines act a lot more like heresy era traitor astartes than their loyalist predecessors. And the modern traitor astartes act cartoonishly evil.
they have respect and veneration for macragge, sure. but for the salamander, their homeworld is their family and the people around them. Salamanders are the only chapter that allow the astartes to see their family after joining (i'm pretty sure sanguinala is mandatory "go home" period for them).
@@Zankyo137 No, Space Wolves, and believe it or not, Iron Hands, also allow their Brothers to go home and socialize with their families, but the latter is more of a house call than mingle.
@@Zankyo137 Yes, unlike other chapters. Iron Hands, are so Divided, that rather than being united with a single Chapter master, they have Ten Iron fathers, all arguing and doing things they believe is right. So an Iron Hand from one clan, is culturally and ideology different from another Iron Hand from a different clan. And they prefer companionship with their own clanmates. So not all Iron Hands are the same in the truest sense.
Interesting to see that this skorpehk doesn’t seem to have the energy left to fully power his weapon. Compared to to the pariah nexus show where that one could almost absorb the blasts with its blade this one seems to struggle a lot more.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen oh yeah but so was the one in pariah nexus. That one had a piece of rebar impaled through its chest. It was just something that caught my eye as a cron enjoyer
0:58 "You are too human" to ignore similarities in your enemy is to deny yourself a critical tool in warfare, if you cannot understand your enemy, then you cannot know him, and if you cannot know him, then how do you expect to defeat him?
logic is the structure and the foundation upon which all other thought is built, the further and more removed from the strength of its roots, the more unstable it becomes, recognizing and acknowledging that which you share in common with your enemy, ensures you fight them without any reservations, any unknowns in the who, what, where, and why of war. The better you know your enemy, the less likely it is they will do something you cannot anticipate, predict, or counter.
if your enemies arent humans you being more human will not help you anyway because you are only trying to uderstand mind totaly alien... and thats my friend is an heresy.... How do you expect to defeat them? You wipe them all out one after another without tainting your mind with heretical thoughts... well at least thats usual imperial policy on these things.
@@crystallxix1493 Considering how big getting screwed over is to the Crons, it is pretty important if you want to beat their strategists. "If you know the enemy and yourself, you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles." "If you know yourself, but not the enemy, then for every victory you will also suffer defeat." "If you know neither the enemy or yourself, you will fail in every battle."
A lot of these comments show that a lot of people don’t seem to understand that Space Marines in general aren’t kind. They are trained and raised to see themselves as the lords of humanity. Yes there are some chapters or even individual marines who keep their humility and humanity but the majority don’t.
a lots of people dont understand lore in general and then crying when some story accurately depict certain things because it doesnt fit with their headcanon....
Too many people only see cool super soldiers, but forgot the imperium is "the cruelest and bloodiest regime imaginable" and the space marines are its enforcers
@@TimothyMark7 not as sport, The MM are just space Marines without the redeeming features. They're transhuman killing machines who will do anything to achieve victory. They actually have an incredible track record of victories even though no one likes them because they fight dirty. The salamanders hate the MM so much because during the Armageddon war the MM baited an ork army into a human refugee camp and then shelled it with artillery while the orks were distracted murdering innocents for fun. The Marines Malevolent will always take the most direct and easiest route to winning a fight, regardless of who gets hurt. They fight like Loyalist Iron Warriors.
That's where the ultrasmurf apothecary is wrong. The salamanders are one of the strongest BECAUSE they are the most human. Also seeing the destroyer teleport is dope.
They aren’t though. During the events of Helsreach, we see clear examples where the Salamanders take pointless losses instead of making a swift strike to an enemy commander. An action which not only led to some of their own deaths, but also the deaths of some of the city’s dwindling Black Templars. I do not doubt that the Salamanders are courageous, and they are certainly one of the most human chapters around, but it is also that same humanity which weakens them, because they will never fully accept the fact that the Astartes are living weapons. A blood Angel may descend from the sky and tear into the enemy with the wrath of angels, a Dark Angel may brave even the most eldritch of horrors, a space wolf will show legendary valour, a White Scar will be the wind incarnate, and no, not all of them will be particularly human, some may be the exact opposite, but in their hearts they fundamentally understand and accept that they are tools, expensive weapons used to protect the species, the Salamanders will risk life and limb to save a single soul and that is noble, but that is also a weakness as glaring as the black rage or the need to hunt the fallen. It is an aspect of themselves that will slow them down in areas where other chapters would be more decisive.
@@OutspokenSeeker Indeed, that is why the Emperor created so many sons that took aspects of his own. To be versatile for all fronts of war. It is only the case that in the 40th millennium, cold and harsh calculation is needed in such a time. In a finer time perhaps more would be like the Salamanders.
It's why they're so varied, every type of disposition has it's use. Take the Black Templars reaction to the Primaris. A Crusade Marshall was executed by a Chaplain with support of the other ranking members, murdered a Custodian; the Emperor's own companions and bodyguard, and refused the word and will of a Primarch. High Marshall Helbrecht, Chapter Master of the Black Templars, lord and leader of one of the most zealous Chapters of Dorns' lineage, simply accepted them. The Black Templars aided Eldar in undoing the damage of an archaoe device in the hands of a rogue Magus of the Mechanicus. The Black Templar if Helsreach who was so abrasive in serving of the defense of mortals, offering a small comfort to the dying.
@@OutspokenSeeker Read the book again, the whole point is by the end Grimaldus understands why their way is incorrect. He begins to value the humans he was fighting with and not see them as just rubble to walk over. It was even stated multiple times that if Salamanders pushed in with Black Templars they would have all perished under the tide of green.
@@99Plastics they may be living weapons, but the purpose of the program of space marines is to be a second bastion for humanity apart from the guard. Plus you state quote "begins" to value the humans, however they whole purpose of the space marine IS to value human life by any means. The Templars despite having this mindset, are over zealous and try to think of a more practical solution but also at the same time treat the civilians no different from xenos.
The ultramarines is kind of in the middle and a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to having Humanity some of them have plenty of humanity and take pride in their lifelong duty of protecting the Imperium and its people While others are much more cold and calculative The problem comes in with the reality and fact that every ultramarine knows and that is the bigger picture of the survival of the entire Imperium and in war lives become a statistic some take this with a heavy heart While others are content
I think of it like this: A Salamander would die to shield a family from harm. That's factually the incorrect answer from a logistical point of view. The recruitment, training and armoring of a marine is large investment of resources on the part of the Imperium. From that point of view, a space marine is more valuable than a family of civilians. For a Salamander to then choose to sacrifice themselves to protect the innocent is therefore a deliberate decision to place their own desire to go 'good' above the needs of the Imperium as a whole. Disregarding the big picture for the little picture. I could see that annoying more duty bound chapters.
@@ooverlord I understand that what I was trying to get at is a ultramarine would do the same thing however if the limitations brought on by their Mission allows them to do so And in some cases because the way war is Saving a few because you can and you should can easily lead to many more dying because you couldn't complete your mission Don't get me wrong I could respect the salamanders for what they do that's why they're up there when it comes to the chapters I like them it's just I often like to point out how kindness from Space Marines isn't exclusive to only them which the community loves to think sometimes
See the red trim on his shoulders? He is from 3ed company. 3ed company Ultramarines tend to be way more xenophobic than the rest of the chapter. On the opposite side you have 4th company, who tend to be the nicest Ultramarines, mainly due to Ventris' influence since becoming 4th Captain
Depending from which codex editions you read, in some, it actually says that "Apothecaries always bear the Prime Helix, in red, over the white of the Apothecarion on their armour", and that will be the sole mandatory rule according to those! It is a choice in-universe whether anything more will be painted white or chapter colours. The same rule applies to the Techmarine red! Some sources will say "it has to be incorporated", with the minimum one pauldron left in the chapter colours to not upset the machine spirit. We will see sometimes only the red pauldron, and the rest in native colour scheme. Some sources do counter what I wrote above and they do so explicitly (in particular, the Index Astartes from 2013). Codex Space Marines 6th and 7th however are with me on this one. Edit to clear the text.
The old Company Command squad Space Marine kit has the Apothecary painted in blue, similar to Brutus in this clip. The long and short of it is that we can paint our minis however we want to.
It might be the primaris icebox programming , Ultramarine eventually take after Calgar and of course Guilliman later ….. a bit rough around the edges the edges.
Tbf, about all space marines are uppity. Iron Hands are exceptionally cold and unfeeling, but all marines are somewhat to a degree. It's what makes Salamanders so endearing and unique, in that they don't conduct themselves like that.
@MrJara1018 actually most of the unnumbered sons are more humane that the first born as the imperium wasn't as bad 10 to 6k years ago and it's fairly common for the sins of guilimon to act like this in a Uriel book his sgt speaks on how weak the mortals are
Yep the Apothecary Biologis. Typically fielded alongside Aggressors, Heavy Intercessors, or Eradicators, and on the table top give the unit lethal hits instead of healing. They can also jump from objective control 3 to 9 if the unit they are a part of destroys an enemy unit in melee. Mainly in lore they are supposed to retrieve geneseed or Xeno samples (Though I might be incorrect on this bit of lore). Still really love the model on tabletop and it was my favorite model to paint (Used Dark Angels color scheme) when I was painting my Leviathan Box.
I'm glad they took the route of having a less favourable ultramarine. He is the more logical and overly proud tyes the ultramrines can breed. Unlike Titus, as an example, who was written to be far more empathetic to the player and to humans. We forget alot that the space marines are made to do one thing and they psycho indoctrinated to do that one thing. Many chapters hold stronger beliefs of superiority. To the point that some care little of humans. it's their job to protect humanity, not to protect individuals. As just one thing I've seen. I remember a primaris who was transfferred to the novamarines(I forget his name) he is a total black sheep as he wanted to go to the ultramarines. The moment he realized he will never adapt to this chapter and it's ideals was when their leader killed a bunch of people in a church because they were making too much noice and kight endanger their mission. Novamarines are hardcore compared to most ultramarines. Hell I even remember in Dawn of war 2, Avitus particularly had no respect for the guard and only gained some when they folloed them directly into the tyranid hive(only to recind that respect in the expansion when traitor guard started attacking them) We forget they are killers and warriors. They are far from the 'angels of the emperor' they are propped up to be. So it's nice to see Saa'kan trying to have a philisophical talk about a xeno race, still hating them, but epathizing with the loss the necrons have gone through and recognizes that they could also become nothing more than machines devoid of any real thought. Something the ultramrine hardly cares about. Also..... 'where were you?' dude clearly went to the left and had to climb up debreis with missing arm, give the guy a break. He's been through alot. Call him a coward but the guy is missing an arm and has a large scratch on his visors eye. He's clearly been fighting.
To be fair for the apothecary, Sakan did leave his battle buddy behind when he broke off. That's usually a death sentence for any soldier in war, as it was nearly his here.
I'm with the salamander. When the apothecary said the salamders suffer from a weakness of being too human... Thats literally their strength, they care about all life.
It's a massive weakness when you consider the vast amount of resources needed to produce one Astartes that can potentially live for hundreds of years and save countless more Imperial lives in the greater schemes of things, compared to the ease of popping out another generation of humans in a hive that they might sacrifice themselves over... whilst the Salamanders' motives might seem noble, they render them foolishly inefficient as a tool in the Imperial arsenal when compared to other chapters that wouldn't needlessly waste assets in that manner.
nah, caring about individual humans in warhammer is a weakness.... this is not star trek, only reason why imperium works is total disregard of human lifes, and frankly thats how it was in many of the real wars through out the history as well.... individual doesnt matter just the whole
LOL Salamendrs live in fantasy dude trying to be heroes in a world where millions die every day , the individual human does not matter only humanity as whole , this is true also in our real world , Ceos , Presidents , and real life wars , you simply cannot care about so much people as it is , it is impossible to care so much dude , because you will never met nor know all those people in your life , and you if you are willing to sacrifice so much you will end up with nothing in the end , Space marines lives are more valuable than humans because it takes alot of time , training , and gene enhancing to create one , not only that if you sacrifice too much of your marines you jepardize your manpower , and your figthin ability on wars , Salamanders are just dumb and it is not a chapter you send to win a war .
I mean no disrespect to the both of you when I say this... without humans the imperium would fail miserably. Astartes were created as the emperors Angel's and the emperor wanted a safe and prosperous future for all mankind... This includes the average human which is why I will always belive the salamanders strength is their ability to care about regular people as they inspire them. They are the emperors angels as they see them and they belive they are safe. If all humankind found out that the astartes don't even consider you worth saving? Yeah. Total loss of respect, belief in the emperor and all round rejection of astartes. They'd see them as no better than the xenos and I wouldn't blame them. Hence why I love the salamanders, they are the emperors Angel's in its truest definition and its their strength. A human is more likely to stand beside a brother angel against chaos.
Sakan's the one missing an arm, but he's more concerned if the Ultramarine is hurt. Salamanders are too good for grimdark and yet, necessary for humanity's survival.
This is the schism of the Salamanders with the rest of the Imperium. An example would be having 2 companies of Astartes tasked in guarding an Imperial titan. The other Astartes (as long its not Dark Angels) will for sure guard the Titan. Salamanders on the other hand, will guard it until civilians needs rescuing. In the game Space Marine, you can be sure if Titus was a Salamander, he would have prioritize evacuation of citizens and rescuing guardsmen, making detours, leaving the Titans security being gambled with time.
Tell me brother, what is more human, to not forget the man you once were, your homeworld, family, brothers and sisters or to become a traitor and forsake the Emperor,
This Ultramarine really was written as a complete asshole for no reason. accusing someone of being too human? Bro, Robotue would be ashamed of hearing such a thing from one of his sons.
@@CedricBassman Because God forbid characters have flaws, especially the gene-crafted nigh-inhuman super soldier designed to kill anything that doesn't surrender to an empire described as "The Cruelest and Bloodiest Regime Imaginable". As nice as Sa'Kan is, he is the exception for Astartes not the rule. Most Space Marines are even worse than Brutus.
funny thing is that the ultramarines have the most succesor chapters because the only time they lost a lot of marines during the heresy was when the word bearers attacked them, the second biggest legion after them the Dark Angels were split almost in half between the loyalists and the fallen
I'm seeing a lot of people disliking Brutus' words, saying he's more of an ass than most Ultramarines, but like - he's not? Sure, you've got Titus and Calgar who are pretty decent guys, but for every Titus there is also a Leandros. I imagine most of the Chapter - or at least a not-inconsiderable portion of it - would say the exact same thing Brutus here said. If a little more politely. There's a lot of Chapters I know that wouldn't even do _that._ And honestly, Brutus' words about the Salamanders kindness being a weakness - as rude as they are - he's _right._ Don't get me wrong, the compassion the Salamanders hold for the common man is a truly admirable thing and a strength in its own right. After all, many Salamanders fight with a vigor and determination born of their love for their mortal companions, pushing them to fight harder than most Astartes to save them. But at the same time this is a weakness, because this leads to Salamanders risking their incredibly valuable lives and Geneseed for people that I can pragmatically say aren't worth it. The Salamanders are soldiers yes, but more than that they are _heroes._ And this gets them killed or fucked over time and time again. But they keep doing it regardless because they care. So in conclusion, Brutus is both right and wrong about Sa'Kan.
People, can anyone answer where Sa'kan got another helmet? If you remember the ending of Pariah Nexus, his helmet was damaged in the battle with the Necron Destroyer.
The episode begins with them in contact with a larger force they deployed from. It’s not hard to guess he just got another. May as well ask where the Ultramarine came from.
Ask himself that if without the Salamanders, the Emperor would've lead an Imperium of corpses. Without them, the Angels would've been feared instead. Even the Emperor himself lacks what the Salamanders have. To be more but still... Human.
Brutus (and by extension, what would be many of the veteran Astartes) are a good example of how Astartes grow to become rather cold and detached from their humanity. I'd say Ultramarines are still pretty 'moderate' by those terms, but by and large these men are not only enhanced and made to be something so much more than human, but also often experience several centuries worth of horrors no mere human could hope to survive unscathed - so of course, through these trials do they become desensitized to all of these things (or put in less delicate terms, they forget their humanity) so as to become of single purpose: His angels of death. So it's curious how consistently grounded Salamanders tend to be across many stories, which I imagine has a lot to do with their gene seed and Vulkan's particular mindset and willpower, but maybe also the fact that humility and humanity are as much a part of their doctrine as their grueling training. The fact they're still allowed to maintain a connection with their families might serve as a stark reminder as to what they fight for as well.
Ultramarines are like the nicest chapter besides the salamanders they are very logical, don’t throw guardsmen/civilians away and have some of the nicest living conditions in the imperium (ultramar)
Is interesting how the Skorphek destroyers, you know the CC maniac with a fuckhuge reap-blade that cuts trough most thing, and has been optimized for murder, keeps losing vs a SM with a chainsword.
it is the same that whopped the sala ass and in Pariah Nexus then got destroyed by a team effort. See the reebar in its chest and the fact that it is visibly damaged still
>heavily armored medic acts arrogant towards everyone >most support mains in games tend to think they're superior >I think the writers were aware of this
For an ultramarine, he sure does complain a lot. Clutching onto honor and zeal in a place where it doesn't matter because there's no one around FOR it to matter because those who clutched those same pearls are dead. While the Salamander maintains his humanity, the brighter side of it at that. That's why the Salamanders have more numbers than sacrifices.
So I guess we now know what happened to Leandros after Space Marine, he went from being a whining bitch of a Battle Brother to a whining bitch of an Apothecary
they literally don't, the salamanders literally sacrifice themselves all the time and out of all the founding legions are always at the lowest strength
if you are true believer you do not just act because of sake of others who may hear you.... you will defend your ideology even in empty room because you truly believe in it. SM are like that, even ultramarines are still mostly inhuman stone cold demigods obsessed with their codex.
So we went from 50-66% of sucessors being Ultramarines to 75%? Dafuq? Edit: And the Dark Angels have 150+ chapters meaning the other 7 legions make up about 10% of existing Astartes
It always was like that. But dont forget - in recent times a lot of other chapters (like Blood Angels by Tyranids, Space Wolfs by Magnus, Dark Angels by demons ) were dwindled in numbers significantly. As replacement we get Primaris marines many of which are from ultramarine bloodline
It would make some sense if it is in regards to after the Primaris, as many new astartes were awakened and a ton of new foundlings, primarily Ultramarines under Roboute Guilliman. If not then like wth.
I assume that at lot of the new Primaris chapters were made from Guilliman's line. Which makes sense considering he was the one that commissioned the project from Cawl.
"If you like space marines, you like Ultramarine successors." - Aaron Demski-Bowden, Black Library Author Also most ultramarine successors past the 2nd or 3rd founding don't behave at all like the ultramarines do. So basically the vast majority of their successors only share their geneseed alone, and none of the traditions.
I love Brutus here. Many call him Iron Hand or a jerk... But have you REALLY saw or read about Iron Hands or other jeck chapters? I have. And i can say Brutus is just a usual marine. A usual Astartes. And it's suits him as a apothecary. His world perspective is TOTALLY different, because his most important task - save the legacy of your brothers. So of course he will call "sympathy" weak and usual humans disposable, because duty of being the apothecary pushes him to CARE about his future brothers, AND NOT some civilians. He HAS THE IMPORTANT JOB. And as a reader of all Salamanders stories, i can pretty say that majority of apothecarys are rude and harsh, because of their duty. The fear of not saving their legacy. Also do you remember that Salamanders is so kind because of the possibility to SEE they actual parents even after becoming the Space Marine? Salamanders literally let themselves to remember previous life and see people who they are protecting. All OTHER chapters DOESNT do this and they pretty much delete all memory from the past live. Even Ultrasmurfs doesn't let themselves see their parents. So OF COURSE only SALAMANDERS can understand the TRUE sacrifice of their homeworld and how they SACRIFICE part of their humanity to protect ALL humanity. Why they know this? Well, because Salamanders are the most human. The majority of space marines doesn't even understand this concept.
Perfect depiction of ultramarines. Some are honorable and/or nice guys... But most of them are cold-hearted "by-the-book" types obsessed with staying as logical as possible. Heartless, almost like a machine, they see normal humans the same way we see NPC in a video game and completely disreguard their very presence most of the time. They're focused on their duty as Astartes and babysitting "normals" isn't part of their creed. And it's a way of thinking shared by almost every Astarte's chapter out there. Chapters like the Crimson fists, the Salamanders and Lamenters are an EXCEPTION amongst their kind for this very reason : they care about normal humans while the rest of their brethren don't.
"But most of them are cold-hearted "by-the-book" types obsessed with staying as logical as possible. Heartless, almost like a machine, they see normal humans the same way we see NPC in a video game and completely disreguard their very presence most of the time. They're focused on their duty as Astartes and babysitting "normals" isn't part of their creed." This isn't even remotely true. Some of them are, but they are not the majority. "focused on their duty as Astartes and babysitting "normals" isn't part of their creed." Yeah, that's why the Ultramar sector is arguably the most stable one with the best quality of life among the Imperium....
He is just a Skorphek destroyer. A Overlord would laugh at the bolter, and while a destroyer is resistant to bolt rounds, they can damage him. Plus this one seems to be damaged already, which is odd when as a necron, he can regenerate.
Ultramarines that aren't shitheels are the *exception* This guy seems pretty damn reasonable for a smurf. Feel bad for the Salamander having to work with him though.
If you think about it salamanders and ultramarines are the best combo. You got Bobby G battling a demon primarch then comes tu’Shan with a steel chair on fire
You know a little communication between the two in combat would make more sense than whatever this was lol. Surely they have closed comms for combat situations to let each other know their movements and plans
Ultra marines or they way to explain why honor is more important than anything even human life Salamender human life is more important than honor Meanwhile marines malevolent: honor, human life’s what’s that ?
It gets played up in the lore how Ultramarines are meritocratic, excellent administrators, strategists, and logisticians. That’s a cool theme when contrasted against the more barbarous chapters, as with the Salamanders, but their whole cultural schtick is still based on Ancient Rome. While maybe not quite on the same level as Ancient Sparta, Roman martial culture wasn’t exactly gentle…
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Just a reminder: While the protagonist of Space Marine, Titus, was an Ultramarine, so was the one who turned him over to the Inquisition. Every chapter has their best and their worst.
Say the traitors name: Leandros, weakest of the get of Guilliman, faithless bastard son of a dog who would turn over his own brothers to the ministrations of the inquisition. Let his name be forever cursed, and may he know no glory in the light of the Emperors Grace.
I CURSE HIM!
This
Eh, I don’t even think this is a portrayal of a bad Ultramarine. Roman martial culture wasn’t exactly gentle. People forget that about them, and it doesn’t get emphasized in the lore. But like, decimation was a real thing…
Fucking Leandros
@@ltdowney Very true, but if RG were there, he'd slap that apothecary in the face and tell him that compassion is not a weakness.
Sa'kan be like "Cousin, I was gone for like a minute, WTF?!"
But a lot happened in that minute.
If that Destroyer had been fully operational, the apothecary would've died in that minute.
@@terminallove3531 Yes, but it's also the apothecary's fault for breaking squad cohesion without a word to the salamander, which goes against the tenants of the Codex Astartes the Ultramarines hold so dear.
*This is why We Black Templars Don't Listen to Ultramarines.*
Brother, it's one xeno, get a hold of yourself.
Also, Sa'kan is missing a hand here, he's at a distinct disadvantage, even if he joined, he really wouldn't be as much help as he would be a hindrance in this situation.
Edit: I also feel I should mention Sa'Khan also faced a Deathmark, and another Destroyer before this, he's probably as winded as one can be from missing body parts and a heart, like he me mentioned to the civilians he led.
@@InVinoVeratas Whoa, dude. Missing arm or not, he's still a goddamn Space Marine.
Ultramarines are always the good guys until a Salamander shows up. Then they’re just assholes.
Honestly that's every chapter when the Salamanders show up.
@@YTIsRanByFeds White scars are also very chill I'd say, Lamenter boys are also "kind", Blood Angels too... Until they smell chaos that is 😂
@@YTIsRanByFeds well, lamenters would be up there with salamanders
"The men you'll never be" really hit hard when you know their just tools of the Emperor,
And the T’au are the good guys until they encounter Star Trek Federation.
Everyone who is saying that the apothecary is no ultramarine because he is too heartless, consider this: the Ultramarines are logical. Brutus there is TOO logical, basically stating "We must not regret nor learn the enemy's culture, for it is of no use to a warrior". Only after a talk with Sa'kaan does he understand that being logical and being honorable are not the same
Absolutely, almost all space marines of any chapter have that cold superiority complex going on. They're indoctrinated that way.
I feel like people forget that space marines are the enforcers to the most brutal empire in history but gw is bad at portraying that.
@@ShadyWizardude We do tend to see them facing external threats more than enforcing Imperial law/control I suppose.
Female Tau warrior: what kind of honorable warrior would kill a surrending enemy?
Catio: Me, lmao
@@ShadyWizardude Not helped any by the fact There are no criminal kill-teams nor are there Rules for playing renegade guard or renegade space marines (Aside from Red Corsairs and well.. they're just Demi-horii)
Also just doesn't help that because adeptus arbites aren't a playable faction, and generally you only see talk of local not-interstellar level threats in 40k's roleplaying books by varied dms and such, you tend to never see the community issues of Imperial Rule.
Namely, that the quality of living is subsistence and if you object you die, unless you are in the privileged 1% Who actually get to see the atmosphere of the hive cities.
That's kinda cool that, despite his clear hatred for the Necrons, Sa'kan can almost pity just how much they lost. Their empire, their bodies, even their very mind and souls. Gone.
I think because he sees a parallel between themselves and space marines. Salamanders and their descendants cling on to their humanity while most other chapters discard it. The necrons represent just how far they could fall in pursuit of victory
@@mullerpotgieter In the twice dead king, a necron make the compation between humanity and necrontyr upon seeing servitors (which even the necron recognize as a bit too much). he is relieved that human burocracy is that much of a mess, else they'll end up in the same way of the necron
@@mullerpotgieter A good observation. It is probably unnerving to see the end result of what "Humanity/Morality is a weakness" end in. How many necessary sacrifices can you make before you've sacrificed all you fought for?
@randomcenturion7264 The Necrons retconned counterparts anyway. Their 3rd edition selves wouldn't give a shit.
"Remember Apothecary, You too were one a human. A human child crying the dark."
"My origins are dead."
"No. They live on. You think it is a weakness. But consider your origins: you were not made to live as brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge. We defend the Imperium, But without wisdom we are a hollow as the dead."
"But consider your origins: you were not made to live as brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge." Thats from Dantes Inferno. The book. Not the game.
@@marvinhamilton6637
😐 ................. Whatever.
“Regret is a sin in the litany of hate” goes hard
“I regret nothing I merely acknowledge what we lost”
"Three in four chapters descend from our gene-seed."
And how many post-heresy chaos marines are from that same stock...?
Something the many different authors and creators forget to mention.
@@cadet1ice its likely not that many from their stock fall to chaos.
Crimson Corsair (legion size chaos Astartes) is son's of guilliman I think
Cawl's mention it to Guilliman in Dark Imperium, arguing for the use of traitor geneseed in Primaris Marines and against "damnation by association".
Mortifactors and Malevolent chapters also descend from Ultramarines.
Let that sink in...
I like the conflict in their personalities. Obviously, not all Space Marines, even within the same chapter, are the same. There are Salamanders that many people would think are a**holes. However, I do think this Apothecary does fit the stereotypes of Ultramarines. Ultramarines are very proud and have high opinion of themselves. They are also very devout to the Codex Astartes and to the Imperial Truth. Ultramarines and their Primarch, Roboute Guilliuman, have no doubts about their purpose. They are the Emperor's warriors, made for war.
However, the Salamanders were taught by their Primarch, Vulkan, that to in order to protect the Imperium, they must protect the people.
i'll also add that the role of the apothecary is likely one of the worse out of them all (maybe beaten by the master of the forge, personality wise). I mean, you are trained tomainly tear apart your fallen comrade for their geneseed, while in the middle of battle, as well as likely mercy kill quite a few of them, internating them into dreadnough and similar task
also because he's a gravis armor apothecary and perfectly fits into the role of a arrogant support main
1:50
And that's the medic
in 40K even the support can beat the shit out of you
The only difference between the medic and a normal soldier is that he has a tool to surgically carve you open
no, the apotechary is not the medic, despite what some can think. yes, an apotechary can fix you up a bit in battle so that you can keep on fighting. but their main job is to get their prothers' corpse, open them up with a drill and get the gene-seed, WHILE IN THE MIDDLE OF BATTLE.
they know how to kill as well as any other astartes
Not sure why you emphasize on the "medic" part but a Astartes Apothecarius is a battle-proven veteran.
I mean the requirements for becoming an apothecary required you to be an experienced soldier already so you have already proven yourself capable
I love the opening of this. It’s like a debate between two people who deeply respect eachother but fundamentally disagree on certain things. It’s fascinating to watch
I like when Astartes are reflective and philisophical. The stoic or even ragefilled warrior stereotype gets dull quickly.
That’s why I love the Horus Heresy books. Space Marines in the old days seemed a lot less closed minded. They were thinkers who understood their duty was to guard humanity, not look down on it. Ironically the paradigm seems to have shifted in the 41st millennium. Space Marines act a lot more like heresy era traitor astartes than their loyalist predecessors. And the modern traitor astartes act cartoonishly evil.
@KarlPHorse
Most of the modern chaos legions or? Because none if them are cartoonishly evil unless it's from an imperium perspective.
"where were you?" Said the HQ unit to the Infantry unit.
He was getting shot at, infantry is supposed to screen.
Fraking POGs.
I felt that in my soul (11B)
That Apothecary has no chill, damn lol
his job is tearing his brothers' corpse apart to get their geneseed, i think the only "chill" apothecaries are the night lord ones.
support mains tend to act more arrogant towards everyone
Skorpekh Destroyer: Appear
Apothecary: Oh geez it has 1 wound left ! PURGE IT !!!
"We march for Macragge; and will will know no fear"
I'd say the Ultrasmurfs feel their homeworld more than most...
they have respect and veneration for macragge, sure. but for the salamander, their homeworld is their family and the people around them. Salamanders are the only chapter that allow the astartes to see their family after joining (i'm pretty sure sanguinala is mandatory "go home" period for them).
@@Zankyo137 No, Space Wolves, and believe it or not, Iron Hands, also allow their Brothers to go home and socialize with their families, but the latter is more of a house call than mingle.
@@marcearlsantos9027 the iron hands?! the ones the want to basically turn themselves in not lobotomized servitors?
@@Zankyo137 Yes, unlike other chapters.
Iron Hands, are so Divided, that rather than being united with a single Chapter master, they have Ten Iron fathers, all arguing and doing things they believe is right.
So an Iron Hand from one clan, is culturally and ideology different from another Iron Hand from a different clan.
And they prefer companionship with their own clanmates.
So not all Iron Hands are the same in the truest sense.
Interesting to see that this skorpehk doesn’t seem to have the energy left to fully power his weapon. Compared to to the pariah nexus show where that one could almost absorb the blasts with its blade this one seems to struggle a lot more.
It is clearly damaged before the fight begins.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen oh yeah but so was the one in pariah nexus. That one had a piece of rebar impaled through its chest. It was just something that caught my eye as a cron enjoyer
I think bolter did no damage in this fight too, he killed him with chainsword
It also fell over from a light tap to it's leg. Bro clearly wasn't at his best.
Still hit hard and fast tho, marine's dodge game was good!
It hits him a few times too with the weapon, and the armor takes it.
I love that in all the fights weve seen with the space marines, they never take a step back. Its always forward, always firing when they can
Brutus here showing us the power of TWO HANDS.
0:58 "You are too human" to ignore similarities in your enemy is to deny yourself a critical tool in warfare, if you cannot understand your enemy, then you cannot know him, and if you cannot know him, then how do you expect to defeat him?
Logical and practical.
logic is the structure and the foundation upon which all other thought is built, the further and more removed from the strength of its roots, the more unstable it becomes, recognizing and acknowledging that which you share in common with your enemy, ensures you fight them without any reservations, any unknowns in the who, what, where, and why of war. The better you know your enemy, the less likely it is they will do something you cannot anticipate, predict, or counter.
if your enemies arent humans you being more human will not help you anyway because you are only trying to uderstand mind totaly alien... and thats my friend is an heresy.... How do you expect to defeat them? You wipe them all out one after another without tainting your mind with heretical thoughts... well at least thats usual imperial policy on these things.
You dont need to understand why someone got screwed to screw them lol. It helps maybe but its not necessary
@@crystallxix1493 Considering how big getting screwed over is to the Crons, it is pretty important if you want to beat their strategists.
"If you know the enemy and yourself, you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles." "If you know yourself, but not the enemy, then for every victory you will also suffer defeat." "If you know neither the enemy or yourself, you will fail in every battle."
1:51 "Press Q to execute"
A lot of these comments show that a lot of people don’t seem to understand that Space Marines in general aren’t kind. They are trained and raised to see themselves as the lords of humanity. Yes there are some chapters or even individual marines who keep their humility and humanity but the majority don’t.
This is why Crimson Fists are best chapter, they have a mix of both and it creates good characters
a lots of people dont understand lore in general and then crying when some story accurately depict certain things because it doesnt fit with their headcanon....
Too many people only see cool super soldiers, but forgot the imperium is "the cruelest and bloodiest regime imaginable" and the space marines are its enforcers
don't even get me started on the marines malevolent chapter who kill normal humans as sport
@@TimothyMark7 not as sport, The MM are just space Marines without the redeeming features.
They're transhuman killing machines who will do anything to achieve victory. They actually have an incredible track record of victories even though no one likes them because they fight dirty.
The salamanders hate the MM so much because during the Armageddon war the MM baited an ork army into a human refugee camp and then shelled it with artillery while the orks were distracted murdering innocents for fun.
The Marines Malevolent will always take the most direct and easiest route to winning a fight, regardless of who gets hurt. They fight like Loyalist Iron Warriors.
That's where the ultrasmurf apothecary is wrong. The salamanders are one of the strongest BECAUSE they are the most human. Also seeing the destroyer teleport is dope.
They aren’t though. During the events of Helsreach, we see clear examples where the Salamanders take pointless losses instead of making a swift strike to an enemy commander. An action which not only led to some of their own deaths, but also the deaths of some of the city’s dwindling Black Templars. I do not doubt that the Salamanders are courageous, and they are certainly one of the most human chapters around, but it is also that same humanity which weakens them, because they will never fully accept the fact that the Astartes are living weapons. A blood Angel may descend from the sky and tear into the enemy with the wrath of angels, a Dark Angel may brave even the most eldritch of horrors, a space wolf will show legendary valour, a White Scar will be the wind incarnate, and no, not all of them will be particularly human, some may be the exact opposite, but in their hearts they fundamentally understand and accept that they are tools, expensive weapons used to protect the species, the Salamanders will risk life and limb to save a single soul and that is noble, but that is also a weakness as glaring as the black rage or the need to hunt the fallen. It is an aspect of themselves that will slow them down in areas where other chapters would be more decisive.
@@OutspokenSeeker Indeed, that is why the Emperor created so many sons that took aspects of his own. To be versatile for all fronts of war. It is only the case that in the 40th millennium, cold and harsh calculation is needed in such a time. In a finer time perhaps more would be like the Salamanders.
It's why they're so varied, every type of disposition has it's use. Take the Black Templars reaction to the Primaris. A Crusade Marshall was executed by a Chaplain with support of the other ranking members, murdered a Custodian; the Emperor's own companions and bodyguard, and refused the word and will of a Primarch. High Marshall Helbrecht, Chapter Master of the Black Templars, lord and leader of one of the most zealous Chapters of Dorns' lineage, simply accepted them. The Black Templars aided Eldar in undoing the damage of an archaoe device in the hands of a rogue Magus of the Mechanicus. The Black Templar if Helsreach who was so abrasive in serving of the defense of mortals, offering a small comfort to the dying.
@@OutspokenSeeker Read the book again, the whole point is by the end Grimaldus understands why their way is incorrect. He begins to value the humans he was fighting with and not see them as just rubble to walk over. It was even stated multiple times that if Salamanders pushed in with Black Templars they would have all perished under the tide of green.
@@99Plastics they may be living weapons, but the purpose of the program of space marines is to be a second bastion for humanity apart from the guard.
Plus you state quote "begins" to value the humans, however they whole purpose of the space marine IS to value human life by any means. The Templars despite having this mindset, are over zealous and try to think of a more practical solution but also at the same time treat the civilians no different from xenos.
Ohh snap, our boy is back
Good god gw is killing it with the animation series
The ultramarines is kind of in the middle and a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to having Humanity some of them have plenty of humanity and take pride in their lifelong duty of protecting the Imperium and its people While others are much more cold and calculative
The problem comes in with the reality and fact that every ultramarine knows and that is the bigger picture of the survival of the entire Imperium and in war lives become a statistic some take this with a heavy heart While others are content
I think of it like this: A Salamander would die to shield a family from harm.
That's factually the incorrect answer from a logistical point of view. The recruitment, training and armoring of a marine is large investment of resources on the part of the Imperium. From that point of view, a space marine is more valuable than a family of civilians.
For a Salamander to then choose to sacrifice themselves to protect the innocent is therefore a deliberate decision to place their own desire to go 'good' above the needs of the Imperium as a whole.
Disregarding the big picture for the little picture.
I could see that annoying more duty bound chapters.
@@ooverlord I understand that what I was trying to get at is a ultramarine would do the same thing however if the limitations brought on by their Mission allows them to do so
And in some cases because the way war is Saving a few because you can and you should can easily lead to many more dying because you couldn't complete your mission
Don't get me wrong I could respect the salamanders for what they do that's why they're up there when it comes to the chapters I like them it's just I often like to point out how kindness from Space Marines isn't exclusive to only them which the community loves to think sometimes
@@grindersongear759so would also go to the blood angels
Damn that Black Templar is doing a great job cosplaying as an Ultramarine rofl
he's a gravis armor apothecary, he's the embodiment of the average support main.
See the red trim on his shoulders? He is from 3ed company. 3ed company Ultramarines tend to be way more xenophobic than the rest of the chapter.
On the opposite side you have 4th company, who tend to be the nicest Ultramarines, mainly due to Ventris' influence since becoming 4th Captain
Guess it's ok to paint Apocs in the Chapter Armour colours instead of the White.
You can paint your minis however you want
Yea he should be all white. Good catch.
Depending from which codex editions you read, in some, it actually says that "Apothecaries always bear the Prime Helix, in red, over the white of the Apothecarion on their armour", and that will be the sole mandatory rule according to those! It is a choice in-universe whether anything more will be painted white or chapter colours.
The same rule applies to the Techmarine red! Some sources will say "it has to be incorporated", with the minimum one pauldron left in the chapter colours to not upset the machine spirit. We will see sometimes only the red pauldron, and the rest in native colour scheme.
Some sources do counter what I wrote above and they do so explicitly (in particular, the Index Astartes from 2013). Codex Space Marines 6th and 7th however are with me on this one.
Edit to clear the text.
You'd think if any chapter were to paint theirs accurately to codex guidlines, it would be the Ultramarines.
The old Company Command squad Space Marine kit has the Apothecary painted in blue, similar to Brutus in this clip. The long and short of it is that we can paint our minis however we want to.
Lucky YOU Brutus, that destroyer is damaged, unlike the one we witness it's massacre on that one scene.
Man i love this writing. Clear to the point dialogue but back unquestionable team effort at a snap
Who is this Apothecary, because he’s giving the vibe of an Iron Hand and not an Ultrasmurf.
He is from the 3rd Company. The captain Mikael Fabian is like... extra xenophobic lol
It might be the primaris icebox programming , Ultramarine eventually take after Calgar and of course Guilliman later ….. a bit rough around the edges the edges.
Tbf, about all space marines are uppity. Iron Hands are exceptionally cold and unfeeling, but all marines are somewhat to a degree. It's what makes Salamanders so endearing and unique, in that they don't conduct themselves like that.
@MrJara1018 actually most of the unnumbered sons are more humane that the first born as the imperium wasn't as bad 10 to 6k years ago and it's fairly common for the sins of guilimon to act like this in a Uriel book his sgt speaks on how weak the mortals are
@@QuanNguyen-me8tc that explains it. When your own individual racism can equal that of a chapter’s, you are some serious super racist.
Love seeing the huge gap in different ideals between Astartes chapters.
They're on the same side, but thats usually all they have in common.
Is that apothecary wearing fucking gravis armor? That’s kinda fuckin metal.
Apothecary biologis. Model is in the leviathan box.
Yep the Apothecary Biologis. Typically fielded alongside Aggressors, Heavy Intercessors, or Eradicators, and on the table top give the unit lethal hits instead of healing. They can also jump from objective control 3 to 9 if the unit they are a part of destroys an enemy unit in melee. Mainly in lore they are supposed to retrieve geneseed or Xeno samples (Though I might be incorrect on this bit of lore). Still really love the model on tabletop and it was my favorite model to paint (Used Dark Angels color scheme) when I was painting my Leviathan Box.
It’s nice seeing the personality of different chapters and how their cultures clash.
I'm glad they took the route of having a less favourable ultramarine. He is the more logical and overly proud tyes the ultramrines can breed. Unlike Titus, as an example, who was written to be far more empathetic to the player and to humans. We forget alot that the space marines are made to do one thing and they psycho indoctrinated to do that one thing. Many chapters hold stronger beliefs of superiority. To the point that some care little of humans. it's their job to protect humanity, not to protect individuals. As just one thing I've seen.
I remember a primaris who was transfferred to the novamarines(I forget his name) he is a total black sheep as he wanted to go to the ultramarines. The moment he realized he will never adapt to this chapter and it's ideals was when their leader killed a bunch of people in a church because they were making too much noice and kight endanger their mission. Novamarines are hardcore compared to most ultramarines.
Hell I even remember in Dawn of war 2, Avitus particularly had no respect for the guard and only gained some when they folloed them directly into the tyranid hive(only to recind that respect in the expansion when traitor guard started attacking them)
We forget they are killers and warriors. They are far from the 'angels of the emperor' they are propped up to be. So it's nice to see Saa'kan trying to have a philisophical talk about a xeno race, still hating them, but epathizing with the loss the necrons have gone through and recognizes that they could also become nothing more than machines devoid of any real thought. Something the ultramrine hardly cares about.
Also..... 'where were you?' dude clearly went to the left and had to climb up debreis with missing arm, give the guy a break. He's been through alot. Call him a coward but the guy is missing an arm and has a large scratch on his visors eye. He's clearly been fighting.
To be fair for the apothecary, Sakan did leave his battle buddy behind when he broke off. That's usually a death sentence for any soldier in war, as it was nearly his here.
Sa'kan has returned, what a boss.
I’m a proud son of Guilliman but this Smurf didn’t impress me with his words!
I'm with the salamander.
When the apothecary said the salamders suffer from a weakness of being too human...
Thats literally their strength, they care about all life.
It's a massive weakness when you consider the vast amount of resources needed to produce one Astartes that can potentially live for hundreds of years and save countless more Imperial lives in the greater schemes of things, compared to the ease of popping out another generation of humans in a hive that they might sacrifice themselves over... whilst the Salamanders' motives might seem noble, they render them foolishly inefficient as a tool in the Imperial arsenal when compared to other chapters that wouldn't needlessly waste assets in that manner.
nah, caring about individual humans in warhammer is a weakness.... this is not star trek, only reason why imperium works is total disregard of human lifes, and frankly thats how it was in many of the real wars through out the history as well.... individual doesnt matter just the whole
LOL Salamendrs live in fantasy dude trying to be heroes in a world where millions die every day , the individual human does not matter only humanity as whole , this is true also in our real world , Ceos , Presidents , and real life wars , you simply cannot care about so much people as it is , it is impossible to care so much dude , because you will never met nor know all those people in your life , and you if you are willing to sacrifice so much you will end up with nothing in the end , Space marines lives are more valuable than humans because it takes alot of time , training , and gene enhancing to create one , not only that if you sacrifice too much of your marines you jepardize your manpower , and your figthin ability on wars , Salamanders are just dumb and it is not a chapter you send to win a war .
I mean no disrespect to the both of you when I say this... without humans the imperium would fail miserably.
Astartes were created as the emperors Angel's and the emperor wanted a safe and prosperous future for all mankind...
This includes the average human which is why I will always belive the salamanders strength is their ability to care about regular people as they inspire them.
They are the emperors angels as they see them and they belive they are safe.
If all humankind found out that the astartes don't even consider you worth saving?
Yeah.
Total loss of respect, belief in the emperor and all round rejection of astartes.
They'd see them as no better than the xenos and I wouldn't blame them.
Hence why I love the salamanders, they are the emperors Angel's in its truest definition and its their strength.
A human is more likely to stand beside a brother angel against chaos.
@@Twist-The-Friendly-Huntervery well said
Also, it's cool to see an Apothecary from the 3rd Company, Ultramarines, in action.
Sakan's the one missing an arm, but he's more concerned if the Ultramarine is hurt.
Salamanders are too good for grimdark and yet, necessary for humanity's survival.
My blue boi... put some respect on the salamanders, their humanity is one of the biggest strengths 💪
OH SHIT WE GOT A SEQUEL!?!? THAT MY BOY SA'KAN!?
This is the schism of the Salamanders with the rest of the Imperium.
An example would be having 2 companies of Astartes tasked in guarding an Imperial titan.
The other Astartes (as long its not Dark Angels) will for sure guard the Titan.
Salamanders on the other hand, will guard it until civilians needs rescuing.
In the game Space Marine, you can be sure if Titus was a Salamander, he would have prioritize evacuation of citizens and rescuing guardsmen, making detours, leaving the Titans security being gambled with time.
Tell me brother, what is more human, to not forget the man you once were, your homeworld, family, brothers and sisters or to become a traitor and forsake the Emperor,
40k writers: we can’t have the salamanders and ultramarines to get along or we would have collected all 40,000 warhammers
This Ultramarine really was written as a complete asshole for no reason.
accusing someone of being too human? Bro, Robotue would be ashamed of hearing such a thing from one of his sons.
@@CedricBassman Because God forbid characters have flaws, especially the gene-crafted nigh-inhuman super soldier designed to kill anything that doesn't surrender to an empire described as "The Cruelest and Bloodiest Regime Imaginable". As nice as Sa'Kan is, he is the exception for Astartes not the rule. Most Space Marines are even worse than Brutus.
@@CedricBassman that's boring and against the idea of warhammer.
Damn, that final roast. Even a Salamander would've felt that. 😭
funny thing is that the ultramarines have the most succesor chapters because the only time they lost a lot of marines during the heresy was when the word bearers attacked them, the second biggest legion after them the Dark Angels were split almost in half between the loyalists and the fallen
I'm seeing a lot of people disliking Brutus' words, saying he's more of an ass than most Ultramarines, but like - he's not? Sure, you've got Titus and Calgar who are pretty decent guys, but for every Titus there is also a Leandros. I imagine most of the Chapter - or at least a not-inconsiderable portion of it - would say the exact same thing Brutus here said. If a little more politely. There's a lot of Chapters I know that wouldn't even do _that._
And honestly, Brutus' words about the Salamanders kindness being a weakness - as rude as they are - he's _right._ Don't get me wrong, the compassion the Salamanders hold for the common man is a truly admirable thing and a strength in its own right.
After all, many Salamanders fight with a vigor and determination born of their love for their mortal companions, pushing them to fight harder than most Astartes to save them. But at the same time this is a weakness, because this leads to Salamanders risking their incredibly valuable lives and Geneseed for people that I can pragmatically say aren't worth it. The Salamanders are soldiers yes, but more than that they are _heroes._ And this gets them killed or fucked over time and time again. But they keep doing it regardless because they care. So in conclusion, Brutus is both right and wrong about Sa'Kan.
People, can anyone answer where Sa'kan got another helmet? If you remember the ending of Pariah Nexus, his helmet was damaged in the battle with the Necron Destroyer.
Plenty of dead brothers in the city, I imagine he took it off of one of them.
The episode begins with them in contact with a larger force they deployed from. It’s not hard to guess he just got another. May as well ask where the Ultramarine came from.
Ask himself that if without the Salamanders, the Emperor would've lead an Imperium of corpses.
Without them, the Angels would've been feared instead.
Even the Emperor himself lacks what the Salamanders have. To be more but still... Human.
Ofc they drop this when i cancel my subscription
Brutus (and by extension, what would be many of the veteran Astartes) are a good example of how Astartes grow to become rather cold and detached from their humanity. I'd say Ultramarines are still pretty 'moderate' by those terms, but by and large these men are not only enhanced and made to be something so much more than human, but also often experience several centuries worth of horrors no mere human could hope to survive unscathed - so of course, through these trials do they become desensitized to all of these things (or put in less delicate terms, they forget their humanity) so as to become of single purpose: His angels of death.
So it's curious how consistently grounded Salamanders tend to be across many stories, which I imagine has a lot to do with their gene seed and Vulkan's particular mindset and willpower, but maybe also the fact that humility and humanity are as much a part of their doctrine as their grueling training. The fact they're still allowed to maintain a connection with their families might serve as a stark reminder as to what they fight for as well.
Damn that Apothecary can throw hands
“COUSIN, LET’S GO BOWLING.”
Weakness? He is using a Bolter with just one arm...
Ultramarines are like the nicest chapter besides the salamanders they are very logical, don’t throw guardsmen/civilians away and have some of the nicest living conditions in the imperium (ultramar)
Is interesting how the Skorphek destroyers, you know the CC maniac with a fuckhuge reap-blade that cuts trough most thing, and has been optimized for murder, keeps losing vs a SM with a chainsword.
it is the same that whopped the sala ass and in Pariah Nexus then got destroyed by a team effort. See the reebar in its chest and the fact that it is visibly damaged still
Good to see sakan alive still and how did he get a new helmet because his last one was badly damaged?
That's a good question. That helmet got atomized last I saw
>heavily armored medic acts arrogant towards everyone
>most support mains in games tend to think they're superior
>I think the writers were aware of this
For an ultramarine, he sure does complain a lot. Clutching onto honor and zeal in a place where it doesn't matter because there's no one around FOR it to matter because those who clutched those same pearls are dead. While the Salamander maintains his humanity, the brighter side of it at that. That's why the Salamanders have more numbers than sacrifices.
So I guess we now know what happened to Leandros after Space Marine, he went from being a whining bitch of a Battle Brother to a whining bitch of an Apothecary
they literally don't, the salamanders literally sacrifice themselves all the time and out of all the founding legions are always at the lowest strength
if you are true believer you do not just act because of sake of others who may hear you.... you will defend your ideology even in empty room because you truly believe in it. SM are like that, even ultramarines are still mostly inhuman stone cold demigods obsessed with their codex.
he is friends with leandros
The lamenters want to know your location.
it took them this long to make WH+ worth noticing
brave I guess
So we went from 50-66% of sucessors being Ultramarines to 75%? Dafuq?
Edit: And the Dark Angels have 150+ chapters meaning the other 7 legions make up about 10% of existing Astartes
It always was like that. But dont forget - in recent times a lot of other chapters (like Blood Angels by Tyranids, Space Wolfs by Magnus, Dark Angels by demons ) were dwindled in numbers significantly. As replacement we get Primaris marines many of which are from ultramarine bloodline
It would make some sense if it is in regards to after the Primaris, as many new astartes were awakened and a ton of new foundlings, primarily Ultramarines under Roboute Guilliman. If not then like wth.
I assume that at lot of the new Primaris chapters were made from Guilliman's line. Which makes sense considering he was the one that commissioned the project from Cawl.
@@pll3827they made the primaris from every gene seed available, probably even from traitor primarchs
"If you like space marines, you like Ultramarine successors." - Aaron Demski-Bowden, Black Library Author
Also most ultramarine successors past the 2nd or 3rd founding don't behave at all like the ultramarines do. So basically the vast majority of their successors only share their geneseed alone, and none of the traditions.
Shouldn’t the Salamander be a size bigger than the Ultramarine?
Good I like this, this is how most marines behave. The salamanders are VERY much, the exception.
Seeing Sa'kan "disarmed" makes me wonder: Do Salamanders forge their own prosthetic limbs as they do their weapons?
I love Brutus here. Many call him Iron Hand or a jerk...
But have you REALLY saw or read about Iron Hands or other jeck chapters? I have. And i can say Brutus is just a usual marine. A usual Astartes. And it's suits him as a apothecary. His world perspective is TOTALLY different, because his most important task - save the legacy of your brothers. So of course he will call "sympathy" weak and usual humans disposable, because duty of being the apothecary pushes him to CARE about his future brothers, AND NOT some civilians. He HAS THE IMPORTANT JOB.
And as a reader of all Salamanders stories, i can pretty say that majority of apothecarys are rude and harsh, because of their duty. The fear of not saving their legacy.
Also do you remember that Salamanders is so kind because of the possibility to SEE they actual parents even after becoming the Space Marine? Salamanders literally let themselves to remember previous life and see people who they are protecting. All OTHER chapters DOESNT do this and they pretty much delete all memory from the past live. Even Ultrasmurfs doesn't let themselves see their parents. So OF COURSE only SALAMANDERS can understand the TRUE sacrifice of their homeworld and how they SACRIFICE part of their humanity to protect ALL humanity. Why they know this? Well, because Salamanders are the most human.
The majority of space marines doesn't even understand this concept.
Is it on Warhammer TV?
yes!
Yup
@@Jan_Iedema haven't been able to find it , it doesn't show under pariah nexus , does it have a different name?
@@SkillTheBard2312 The Tithes.
Where did Sa'kan get another Helmet? I remember it was damaged in the left eye a few episodes ago?
Probably grabbed one off a fallen Battle Brother. There was like, five of them in the ship he arrived in.
Ultramarine fired 19 shots without reloading
Perfect depiction of ultramarines.
Some are honorable and/or nice guys... But most of them are cold-hearted "by-the-book" types obsessed with staying as logical as possible.
Heartless, almost like a machine, they see normal humans the same way we see NPC in a video game and completely disreguard their very presence most of the time. They're focused on their duty as Astartes and babysitting "normals" isn't part of their creed.
And it's a way of thinking shared by almost every Astarte's chapter out there.
Chapters like the Crimson fists, the Salamanders and Lamenters are an EXCEPTION amongst their kind for this very reason : they care about normal humans while the rest of their brethren don't.
fucking book nerds they are,
"But most of them are cold-hearted "by-the-book" types obsessed with staying as logical as possible.
Heartless, almost like a machine, they see normal humans the same way we see NPC in a video game and completely disreguard their very presence most of the time. They're focused on their duty as Astartes and babysitting "normals" isn't part of their creed."
This isn't even remotely true. Some of them are, but they are not the majority.
"focused on their duty as Astartes and babysitting "normals" isn't part of their creed."
Yeah, that's why the Ultramar sector is arguably the most stable one with the best quality of life among the Imperium....
Has Gravis plating always been this flexible?
Dynamic duo
Is it only weird to me that the ultramarine apothecary is the same height as a salamander?
An ultramarine and a salamander walk into a bar
You know I expected the bolter rounds to deflect off of necrodermis shell.
You expect too much from necrons, they are op but not so much
He is just a Skorphek destroyer. A Overlord would laugh at the bolter, and while a destroyer is resistant to bolt rounds, they can damage him. Plus this one seems to be damaged already, which is odd when as a necron, he can regenerate.
Ultramarines that aren't shitheels are the *exception*
This guy seems pretty damn reasonable for a smurf.
Feel bad for the Salamander having to work with him though.
"Ultramarines that aren't shitheels are the exception"
Wrong.
Where can you find this because I remember sa’ kan with the sister a battle and how the civilians did not make it
How the hell is that apothecary sliding around in GRAVIS plate
If you think about it salamanders and ultramarines are the best combo. You got Bobby G battling a demon primarch then comes tu’Shan with a steel chair on fire
You know a little communication between the two in combat would make more sense than whatever this was lol. Surely they have closed comms for combat situations to let each other know their movements and plans
Unless I’m mistaken, aren’t salamanders supposed to be bigger than regular space marines similar to the wolves?
Sa'Kan is still chasing necrons on that planet? =O
Typical Ultramarine arrogance (sighs in Imperial Fist)
Look who's talking
“3 in four authors descend from Matt Ward. Our writing matters”
How did Sa'kan get a new helmet? Did the Apothecary repair it or what?
Ultra marines or they way to explain why honor is more important than anything even human life
Salamender human life is more important than honor
Meanwhile marines malevolent: honor, human life’s what’s that ?
Marines malevolent don't make enough sense to be a functioning chapter. They are more pirate than anything resembling astartes.
@@tarektechmarine8209 they're renegades.
Gotta love ultramarines an their ultra egos
Wish the apothecary could do that on the table too
Are there more episodes now? The last thing I remember was Szeras and Sa'kan having a convo. Is this before or after that?
Space marine 2 operations mode be like:
The irony of a medic telling someone that are to compassionate is not lost on me.
I like this
Anyone got the series name? Or is just a continuation of pariah nexus?
"The Tithes." It's the sequel to Pariah Nexus.
The guy was all the way on the other side. Give him a break. It's not as if he was standing right next to you and froze up or something.
It gets played up in the lore how Ultramarines are meritocratic, excellent administrators, strategists, and logisticians. That’s a cool theme when contrasted against the more barbarous chapters, as with the Salamanders, but their whole cultural schtick is still based on Ancient Rome. While maybe not quite on the same level as Ancient Sparta, Roman martial culture wasn’t exactly gentle…
Clearly that Ultramarine hits a bit harder than a Sister of Battle…
Wonder if thats the same one from the last series. It might have a grudge.
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Havent watch this yet but is this from the space marine 2 or a newest serie?