Yeah its crazy how expensive PlaylistPush is for what you get. With SubmitHub at least its so cheap where it can be nice to blend into a plan that includes FB ads. The ads get me way better results both in volume and quality of data.
Major props for throwing your money down the drain for us, dude! I am surprised though that you were able to get as many submithub playlists as you did given that the song wasn't new, I've had folks decline on there if one is 4 months old. Anyway, great video as usual!
Andrew, truly appreciate you brother! I've been in the trenches since 2022 focusing on music full time after leaving my corporate job. After building a pipeline of new releases [dropping now and through Summer 23,] I've been digging into promotion, growth mechanisms, and trying to do it right. It's clear there's a lot of noise out here. You make it easy to understand, put up your own money and music, battle test all of the best platforms, and run through everything from gut checking to regressing data to inform us of what's going on and what to do. Priceless to me. I can't tell you how much it's helped me stay aligned with the right path. More like Andrew Northstar. Peace and love - STAY KEEN
a short answer doesn't imply simplicity. growing anything takes time and requires resources - you can grow a Playlist, it's followers, likes, etc. or you can grow your own streams directly by engaging playlisters like demonstrated here. Either way, the data is there - super helpful.
@@fredybony2336 "What’s your best way to promote your playlist" I can't say that I know, but you can try promoting it with tweets and reddit threads. If you build like tens of thousands of mutual twitter followers who follow playlists like RapCaviar, and then you tweet out your playlist semi-regularly, then that could be pretty effective. I wouldn't recommend promoting your tweets, as twitter promotion has been a pretty garbage value in my experience.
Ok, so most of your content talks about using ads to promote your music. Ideally, the goal is to simply build a following and ignore the actual stream count. So my question is, at what point do you realistically expect to just be able to release a song and then have it organically perform and you having to never have to use ads? Or is this something that you feel you will always have to do...?
Something else I noticed you didn't point out was it was even more expensive than you say in the video per stream, because one of the playlists which was the top playlist for submithub and one of the best for playlist push was on both platforms, so essentially it was accepted twice to be added once. Nevertheless it is a great playlist, I've been on it too
A lot of curators want the money, but don't work on their playlist engagement. Pure money grab! They prey on vanity shoppers looking to boost their Spotify streams, but it's not worth much if you don't use the numbers to get gigs.
Do you offer Facebook services to run ads for other artist than yourself? I did buy your course already, it’s just a bit overwhelming and I do better with step by step videos. Curious to know what we can do? Lmk!? Thanks 🙏🏼
Hey, i'm using ur spotify growth machine and i posted asking a question, im just tryna drop my ads before Sunday because the song drops Monday, anyway u can help out?
i think you will miss a lot of good curators when you set up the level on 10% approval rate. 😁 as a curator there, you know even 5% is a good value. or you can ask yourself. what is your personal approval rate (without shout-outs)? 😅 but anyway - SH won! wondering why that didn't suprise me 😅🙏🏼 great test
Hey our artist jay exodus ran a few of these had the hardest time figuring out if these listeners are authentic? Did you vet them personally or are you unsure too?
If Submithub is only 1cent per stream, isnt that way cheaper than using facebook ads? I know you get more high quality listeners and streams with Facebook ads, actual followers, but does that even matter much for algorithmic playlists like DW or RR? If you spent 200$ on Submithub and get like 10-20k streams that seems enough to trigger these algorithmic playlists, whereas 200$ on facebook ads for 30cents gets you way less? Idk..?
The problem with playlists is after you’re off the playlist you’re mostly back to square one. With ads you’ll get repeat listeners for potentially years since they actually save and follow. This leads to compounding growth. I’m sure you could trigger some stuff with playlists but I’ve only gotten algorithmic traction from ads. I think the other issue is the unreliability in timing and amount of streams from playlists. These SubmitHub playlists got me 4,000 streams, but it took 3 months. I’ve had some songs that just do awful in playlist pitching but great in ads and vice versa.
Most of those playlist curators are just taking advantage of young up and coming artist. Some of their prices are honestly obscene and the average person just cannot afford to get that type of exposure like that. It definitely feels more like pay to play, but people don't engage with you as an artist as much if they were to find you through Facebook ads.
Not sure if the claim that you get more streams with a FB campaign checks out - at least not across the board. I did a successful FB campaign using your advice and got 8200 streams for $420 - so $0,051 per stream. I payed on average $0,20 per conversion, so we're talking about a (very) successful campaign. Now the song is at 16k because of DW, so add another 8k 'free' streams to that. So quite similar to your playlist campaigns... BUT, and it's a big but, a playlist campaign is demoralising and excruciating, and in my experience nowhere near as successful as your campaigns were in this video - more like $100 spent resulting in 0 streams :-D You may think it's about the quality of the music, but in my case, we're talking about music that's gotten playlisted on 'SH playlists' without me even submitting it - in addition to receiving a dozen great reviews on the same kind of blogs and zines. I'm sure I could have done better research and I'm sure it may have to do with genre (I do prog/art-rock), but, I think name recognition may be doing you favours in these playlist campaigns.
Organic music marketing also .... I’ve tried ... can’t say I trust that it’s actually organic but .... it’s better than playlist push as far as cost and stream
I've never tried that service, my opinion has always been that if a company goes out of their way to say how 'organic' their service is its probably not organic haha.
Im not completely defending playlist push because I 100% agree its too pricey for what you get. With that being said, Ive ran about 3 push campaigns for roughly $500-700 each and got much better results than this each time. Unfortunately, even with a high quality song , your still gambling which is a huge turn off. In what world will someone be inclined to spend X amount of money with NO guanrteed results. Thats madness.
Making music sucks, if you don't want to waste ur young age chasing shadows, you better build a career you can actually get paid and not working for thief
Making music is not the same thing as making a career in music. You can 100% make music your whole life and love doing it while working a career that pays well and you also love.
its all about attitude if you think it's impossible to make money of Spotify etc. then you're absolutely 100% RIGHT! Now if you think its doable with some work AGAIN you're absolutely 100% right! It's simple but its NOT easy. Its consistency and persistency, and never giving up! I recommend a book by a guy named Shad Helmstetter. Its titled " What to say when you talk to yourself" and NO i am not him or affiliated with him either the book was written a long time ago anyways hope this helps PEACE!
I got way better results using your facebook ads method, than i ever got when i tried playlist push, myself.
Yeah its crazy how expensive PlaylistPush is for what you get. With SubmitHub at least its so cheap where it can be nice to blend into a plan that includes FB ads. The ads get me way better results both in volume and quality of data.
Finally dropped this gem, thanks for the insight man!!
Yeah man! 3 months in the making haha.
Major props for throwing your money down the drain for us, dude! I am surprised though that you were able to get as many submithub playlists as you did given that the song wasn't new, I've had folks decline on there if one is 4 months old. Anyway, great video as usual!
Andrew, truly appreciate you brother! I've been in the trenches since 2022 focusing on music full time after leaving my corporate job. After building a pipeline of new releases [dropping now and through Summer 23,] I've been digging into promotion, growth mechanisms, and trying to do it right. It's clear there's a lot of noise out here. You make it easy to understand, put up your own money and music, battle test all of the best platforms, and run through everything from gut checking to regressing data to inform us of what's going on and what to do. Priceless to me. I can't tell you how much it's helped me stay aligned with the right path. More like Andrew Northstar. Peace and love - STAY KEEN
I think the way to go is growing your own big playlist and exchange for track placements with other curators. Cheaper and more beneficial long term.
thats what i do.
What’s your best way to promote your playlist
a short answer doesn't imply simplicity. growing anything takes time and requires resources - you can grow a Playlist, it's followers, likes, etc. or you can grow your own streams directly by engaging playlisters like demonstrated here. Either way, the data is there - super helpful.
@@fredybony2336 "What’s your best way to promote your playlist"
I can't say that I know, but you can try promoting it with tweets and reddit threads. If you build like tens of thousands of mutual twitter followers who follow playlists like RapCaviar, and then you tweet out your playlist semi-regularly, then that could be pretty effective. I wouldn't recommend promoting your tweets, as twitter promotion has been a pretty garbage value in my experience.
This is why I love your channel. Nothing beats numbers. More content like this please
I really appreciate Andrew's work. You're awesome dude.
Thanks for sharing man means the world!
Thanks for your honesty!
appreciate you putting your hard earned money into videos like these Andrew! Lots to learn
Great video. You saved me money.
Thanks dude!
Great stuff Andrew! 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Great, thanks for the clarification!☺
Your videos are always very helpful. Thanks d00d!
Thanks Matt!
You should do a video on
Sound Campaign
They’re everywhere ! And nobody seems to have a good video on the results using them brings!
This is a BIG 👍help !! Thanks for the review 🙏
Great video. Big thanx :)
You earned yourself a subscriber. Appreciate the integrity of your channel!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed.
Acabo de descubrir tu canal y me parece de mucha ayuda, man
Solid info... thank you
Thanks, Andrew!
You’re a real one for these
Thank you!!!
Great stuff!!!! this is why i love this channel! Homie hookups!
Thanks ☺️
Ok, so most of your content talks about using ads to promote your music. Ideally, the goal is to simply build a following and ignore the actual stream count. So my question is, at what point do you realistically expect to just be able to release a song and then have it organically perform and you having to never have to use ads? Or is this something that you feel you will always have to do...?
Something else I noticed you didn't point out was it was even more expensive than you say in the video per stream, because one of the playlists which was the top playlist for submithub and one of the best for playlist push was on both platforms, so essentially it was accepted twice to be added once. Nevertheless it is a great playlist, I've been on it too
Ahh good catch!
Love the song!
Thanks Alec!
A lot of curators want the money, but don't work on their playlist engagement. Pure money grab! They prey on vanity shoppers looking to boost their Spotify streams, but it's not worth much if you don't use the numbers to get gigs.
Do you run ads for artists?? If so how can I get one set up
Do you offer Facebook services to run ads for other artist than yourself? I did buy your course already, it’s just a bit overwhelming and I do better with step by step videos. Curious to know what we can do? Lmk!? Thanks 🙏🏼
Hey, i'm using ur spotify growth machine and i posted asking a question, im just tryna drop my ads before Sunday because the song drops Monday, anyway u can help out?
This was really interesting and useful! I'm thinking of trying out submithub now. Thank you!
i think you will miss a lot of good curators when you set up the level on 10% approval rate. 😁 as a curator there, you know even 5% is a good value. or you can ask yourself. what is your personal approval rate (without shout-outs)? 😅 but anyway - SH won! wondering why that didn't suprise me 😅🙏🏼 great test
Hey our artist jay exodus ran a few of these had the hardest time figuring out if these listeners are authentic? Did you vet them personally or are you unsure too?
thanks for doing those test
wait , 500 $ for 9 playlist?
I feel bad
Do more of these maybe something like DailyPlaylists or how to find legit playlists
How are you able to see the saves graph per song (Dreaming)? Is that something spotify is rolling out? I'm not seeing that option
If you go into releases and click the album level (artwork) instead of the song level you get these different save and playlist add charts.
@@AndrewSouthworth You sir, are a genius. Thank you 🙏🏻
If Submithub is only 1cent per stream, isnt that way cheaper than using facebook ads? I know you get more high quality listeners and streams with Facebook ads, actual followers, but does that even matter much for algorithmic playlists like DW or RR? If you spent 200$ on Submithub and get like 10-20k streams that seems enough to trigger these algorithmic playlists, whereas 200$ on facebook ads for 30cents gets you way less? Idk..?
The problem with playlists is after you’re off the playlist you’re mostly back to square one. With ads you’ll get repeat listeners for potentially years since they actually save and follow. This leads to compounding growth. I’m sure you could trigger some stuff with playlists but I’ve only gotten algorithmic traction from ads.
I think the other issue is the unreliability in timing and amount of streams from playlists. These SubmitHub playlists got me 4,000 streams, but it took 3 months. I’ve had some songs that just do awful in playlist pitching but great in ads and vice versa.
This is insane. Way too many dead playlists on playlistpush
Andrew do you think investing heavily in one legit pitching service is more valuable than spreading smaller amounts across multiple services??
Most of those playlist curators are just taking advantage of young up and coming artist. Some of their prices are honestly obscene and the average person just cannot afford to get that type of exposure like that. It definitely feels more like pay to play, but people don't engage with you as an artist as much if they were to find you through Facebook ads.
This is fucking great science.
don't say fuck! lol
Playlist push didnt work with me, after spending $280
Can you make a vid about playlist bots?
best content
thanks so much!
Not sure if the claim that you get more streams with a FB campaign checks out - at least not across the board. I did a successful FB campaign using your advice and got 8200 streams for $420 - so $0,051 per stream. I payed on average $0,20 per conversion, so we're talking about a (very) successful campaign. Now the song is at 16k because of DW, so add another 8k 'free' streams to that. So quite similar to your playlist campaigns...
BUT, and it's a big but, a playlist campaign is demoralising and excruciating, and in my experience nowhere near as successful as your campaigns were in this video - more like $100 spent resulting in 0 streams :-D
You may think it's about the quality of the music, but in my case, we're talking about music that's gotten playlisted on 'SH playlists' without me even submitting it - in addition to receiving a dozen great reviews on the same kind of blogs and zines. I'm sure I could have done better research and I'm sure it may have to do with genre (I do prog/art-rock), but, I think name recognition may be doing you favours in these playlist campaigns.
maybe the song was..... mid
What’s DW
@@viciousv9671 discover weekly!
Would you run facebook ads for my hip hop group?
Organic music marketing also .... I’ve tried ... can’t say I trust that it’s actually organic but .... it’s better than playlist push as far as cost and stream
I've never tried that service, my opinion has always been that if a company goes out of their way to say how 'organic' their service is its probably not organic haha.
Short playlist push stock
Im not completely defending playlist push because I 100% agree its too pricey for what you get. With that being said, Ive ran about 3 push campaigns for roughly $500-700 each and got much better results than this each time. Unfortunately, even with a high quality song , your still gambling which is a huge turn off. In what world will someone be inclined to spend X amount of money with NO guanrteed results. Thats madness.
Interesting experiment. Your math is a bit flawed because you counted “Best EDM Playlist of 2022’ twice, though.
That playlist is in there twice because I pitched to it on both PlaylistPush and SubmitHub, and it got approved on both.
They both suck. Apparently curaters get money for submissions alone so it's pretty much a scam
On top of that some curators put their own music on the play list .
Playlist push is a scam
Making music sucks, if you don't want to waste ur young age chasing shadows, you better build a career you can actually get paid and not working for thief
Making music is not the same thing as making a career in music. You can 100% make music your whole life and love doing it while working a career that pays well and you also love.
its all about attitude if you think it's impossible to make money of Spotify etc. then you're absolutely 100% RIGHT! Now if you think its doable with some work AGAIN you're absolutely 100% right! It's simple but its NOT easy. Its consistency and persistency, and never giving up! I recommend a book by a guy named Shad Helmstetter. Its titled " What to say when you talk to yourself" and NO i am not him or affiliated with him either the book was written a long time ago anyways hope this helps PEACE!
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