It's not my all-time favorite... but I totally understand why it's yours. It is my favorite Brahms symphony, though. My first live CSO Solti performance was Brahms 4. It was mesmerizing.
This was the first piece I ever conducted. Despite the length and scale, its by far his easiest symphony to conduct and one of the greatest minor key symphonies ever, especially that heart wrenching finale. Always leaves this incredible somber mood when it is over, and usually the audience even takes a moment or two before clapping.
In the Brahms vs. Tchaikovsky argument, it always seems that musician really love Brahms wereas for the listeners Tchaikovsky is so approachable in comparison. By this point in my life I have come around to Brahms (the symphonies, the concertos Iv'e been listenning to for years), and these videos have bridged them a great deal. They also make you understand why musicians love him so much.
@@nynms203 that's awesome haha. Yeah I don't think this mistake is worth re editing and reuploading the video for though. I think people will realise it was just a slip of the mind
Brahm's 4th is a true masterpiece. Sibelius is my favorite symphonist of all time, but there is relatively little commentary on his work. Perhaps Inside the Score could analyze one of his 7 symphonies?
I love the channel, and I'd love to have more of those symphonic deep dives like you posted on Spotify in years past! Thanks for breaking things down for everyone
I love especially the celli in the second subject of the first movement. It is just so sublime! I can only recommend the recording of Karajan. Just otherworldly and sublime! Hopefully our generation understands the beauty of classical music and preserves it well enough, your channel definitely helps in falling in love with it!
I have happy memories of listening to my father's CFP records of all the Brahms symphonies (Hallé conducted by James Loughran) in the 70's. No.4 is probably my favourite and the Kleiber recording is great.
I think it's probably the finest of his set. It's very serious, passionate and personal. I wish conductors would play the second movement slower (but that's my personal preference)
After seeing your previous analysis on Brahms Symphonies, I waited with such a longing this that I cannot give you to much thanks for this brilliant analysis on his Fourth. Nevertheless, I just can say Thanks a lot for your effort on clearificate whats happen on this marvelous and astonishing masterpiece.
Great job! This is awesome! It's not very easy to find online real explanations on what's going on inside the piece (themes, modulations, etc.). One thing I would like to ask is the differences between the themes and subjects - honestly I got a little lost when you were talking about the main theme and then the second subject. If you are taking suggestions, please do the New World Symphony :)
Could you do some Christmas classics someday? You’re so good at breaking down music and making it easy to understand. I wish I’d had these guides in my life when I took intro to listening in college.
Love your analysis. Thank you. Take a listen to a new release I absolutely love: Manfred Honeck (conductor), Brahms #4, Reference Recordings, FR-744SACD. Release date: 10/22/2021.
Wait! My form teacher said the 4th movement is a chaconne?!?! I even brought up it being a passacaglia but she said it isn't. The first 8 bars are a straight up chaconne, or are they both? Someone plz respond cuz I love this movement and I see both pass and chac in the score 😭
Chaconne and passacaglia are often treated as more or less interchangeable terms. But when they are differentiated, an important characteristic of the chaconne is its starting on beat 2, which Brahms doesn't. Your form teacher is incorrect. I wouldn't say it's wrong to call the movement a chaconne, but it's definitely wrong to deny that it's a passacaglia. The thing you often hear about a chaconne being based on a chord progression while a passacaglia is based on a melody line is untrue and unhelpful.
@@Cherodar ok, follow up question because I've read so many books on this piece and I'm still a bit confused. Source: "the victor book of symphonies" (Charles O'Connell), says it's Passacaglia EDIT: Pages 131 - 133 Source: "Norton anthology of western music 7th edition" (J. Peter Burkholder & Claude V. Palisca), says it's chaconne EDIT: Pages 943 - 976 WTF 🥴😀😀🥴😀🥴😀🥴😀 but thank you for responding!!! I was hoping someone could explain, but as of the moment, I still can't decide cuz my professor and other form professors have said this is a chaconne 🥴🥴🥴
@@Enrobdoolb Well, it seems you've discovered that there is no clear answer! The textbooks don't agree, the professors don't agree. Some things are like that!
For me the finale is just a set of variations, like Beethoven's Eroica. I don't see how it's a passacaglia or a chaconne. Did Brahms himself call it either? (If he did, I concede the point. Who am I to argue with Brahms?)
I like passacaglias. Especially Händel th-cam.com/video/MQ8svM3S9t0/w-d-xo.html (even the modern interpretation by Halvorsen) and H.I.F. Biber th-cam.com/video/sgcR183f8gA/w-d-xo.html I hope to see some more about baroque music on this channel in the future. It's so underrated these days.
Why do you think that it is read from a book? Oscar is a very engaging speaker, maybe that's what you are referring to with "extra effort". But let me assure you, he always talks like this in his videos.
My favorite symphony of all time. It's so intense, passionate, and beautiful. I can never get enough of it!
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This symphony accompanied me through very hard times in my life it occupies a very special in my heart too
thanks bro
It's not my all-time favorite... but I totally understand why it's yours. It is my favorite Brahms symphony, though. My first live CSO Solti performance was Brahms 4. It was mesmerizing.
This was the first piece I ever conducted. Despite the length and scale, its by far his easiest symphony to conduct and one of the greatest minor key symphonies ever, especially that heart wrenching finale. Always leaves this incredible somber mood when it is over, and usually the audience even takes a moment or two before clapping.
I really put a lot of effort into this!!
In the Brahms vs. Tchaikovsky argument, it always seems that musician really love Brahms wereas for the listeners Tchaikovsky is so approachable in comparison. By this point in my life I have come around to Brahms (the symphonies, the concertos Iv'e been listenning to for years), and these videos have bridged them a great deal. They also make you understand why musicians love him so much.
No need for an argument, both are fantastic, and chances are we have time to listen to most of both
The best Brahms symphony to top it off. One of the best symphonies of all too.
Wow just finished watching all these videos, amazing music and history! Hope you consider doing Mahler’s symphonies in the future!
I love your passion, I used to listen to 4th Brahms after coming back from work 2-3 years ago.
Nice to be reminded how much I love this symphony.
(the intro page with the parts says Beethoven 4th Symphony instead...thought I might point it out)
Noooo! Well noticed - sorry! But the info is definitely for Brahms haha
No problem, keep up the amazing work! Love your content; we use it for A Level Music analysis sometimes 😂
@@nynms203 that's awesome haha. Yeah I don't think this mistake is worth re editing and reuploading the video for though. I think people will realise it was just a slip of the mind
@@InsidetheScore it's good enough. You're doing well. 🤜🏻🤛🏻🙌🏻✌🏻
I love your channel. I am delighted that we can have continuing education in music appreciation without sitting in a stuffy classroom. Keep it up!
Brahm's 4th is a true masterpiece. Sibelius is my favorite symphonist of all time, but there is relatively little commentary on his work. Perhaps Inside the Score could analyze one of his 7 symphonies?
Wish you made these longer! Excellent work
Would love to hear you about Tschaikowsky 1st, 4th-6th
Great idea. Especially 5th
Bro i think you should do the Mozart's requiem
Oh that would be THE thing
I love the channel, and I'd love to have more of those symphonic deep dives like you posted on Spotify in years past! Thanks for breaking things down for everyone
It would be excellent with some Bruckner next, in order to experience the greatest Codi (Codas?) ever written!
I am doing this symphony right now in music theory!!
We are eager to see a Schubert video!
That is one killer 4th movement!
I love especially the celli in the second subject of the first movement. It is just so sublime! I can only recommend the recording of Karajan. Just otherworldly and sublime! Hopefully our generation understands the beauty of classical music and preserves it well enough, your channel definitely helps in falling in love with it!
Great video, If you're feeling up it I'd love to see these Quick Guides on Schubert's Symphonies.
Yeah I second that! Schubert is such an interesting composer
Lovely horn calls in the exposition of 1
Best piece of all times...
I have happy memories of listening to my father's CFP records of all the Brahms symphonies (Hallé conducted by James Loughran) in the 70's. No.4 is probably my favourite and the Kleiber recording is great.
A really nice series! I´d like to see Sibelius´ and Bruckner´s symphonies next!
Oh definitely Bruckner. Pretty pleaseee?
Thank you for a wonderful, informative and ... entertaining explanation of my Favorite symphony by my Favorite composer!
For next cycle of symphonies, may i suggest Rachmaninoff? Another i would love is Shosty's 5,7,8,10,11, and 15.
Sibelius and Mahler would be great also.
I can't remember who said this, but in commenting on this symphony he said "In the presence of such genius, we must bow our heads in awe." Amen.
I think it's probably the finest of his set. It's very serious, passionate and personal. I wish conductors would play the second movement slower (but that's my personal preference)
Mahler symphonies next please!
I second that!
Maybe throw in Bruckner too
Can you also make a quick guides for Mahler symphonies? That would be much appreciated.
After seeing your previous analysis on Brahms Symphonies, I waited with such a longing this that I cannot give you to much thanks for this brilliant analysis on his Fourth. Nevertheless, I just can say Thanks a lot for your effort on clearificate whats happen on this marvelous and astonishing masterpiece.
Nice, I have been waiting for this. :)
If you plan on doing more of these, you should do the Schubert symphonies.
Great job! This is awesome! It's not very easy to find online real explanations on what's going on inside the piece (themes, modulations, etc.). One thing I would like to ask is the differences between the themes and subjects - honestly I got a little lost when you were talking about the main theme and then the second subject. If you are taking suggestions, please do the New World Symphony :)
Great video! I just listened to this symphony today, now I can't wait to listen to it again. What's next? Tchaikovsky maybe?
We will see 😊
Could you do some Christmas classics someday? You’re so good at breaking down music and making it easy to understand. I wish I’d had these guides in my life when I took intro to listening in college.
Oh, l feel like l've waited an age for this.
By any chance you can make an analyse on the famous violin chaconne by Bach? These great video is great 💖💖💖
Minor IV-I sounds so devastating,as in the ending of the first movement.absolutely devoid of hope 😢
I've long thought the three greatest symphonies are Beethoven 3, Schubert 9 and Brahms 4.
@@modernclassicalmusic8942 Yes I love Schumann 2 and 3
It would be interesting if you took Nielsen's fabulous six symphonies at some point.
Maybe as a “break” Berlioz S. Fantastique?
Shubert next?
3:35 "Dramatic Fire" Gen z of classical music
Can we talk about that the second subject of the first movement sounds like a tango?!?
Bernstein called that section a “mad german tango”
The first two chords of shympony 4 is eaxcatly the same start as Mendelssohn s op 103.
Love your analysis. Thank you. Take a listen to a new release I absolutely love: Manfred Honeck (conductor), Brahms #4, Reference Recordings, FR-744SACD. Release date: 10/22/2021.
Is this the Kleiber recording? If it is It sounded way more dimensional than the same recording on Apple Music
Do Schubert all the way to Philip Glass !
I'm searching for some material, but until couldn´t find, what is a "grim Cadence"?
Wait!
My form teacher said the 4th movement is a chaconne?!?! I even brought up it being a passacaglia but she said it isn't. The first 8 bars are a straight up chaconne, or are they both?
Someone plz respond cuz I love this movement and I see both pass and chac in the score 😭
Chaconne and passacaglia are often treated as more or less interchangeable terms.
But when they are differentiated, an important characteristic of the chaconne is its starting on beat 2, which Brahms doesn't. Your form teacher is incorrect. I wouldn't say it's wrong to call the movement a chaconne, but it's definitely wrong to deny that it's a passacaglia.
The thing you often hear about a chaconne being based on a chord progression while a passacaglia is based on a melody line is untrue and unhelpful.
@@Cherodar ok, follow up question because I've read so many books on this piece and I'm still a bit confused.
Source: "the victor book of symphonies" (Charles O'Connell), says it's Passacaglia
EDIT: Pages 131 - 133
Source: "Norton anthology of western music 7th edition" (J. Peter Burkholder & Claude V. Palisca), says it's chaconne
EDIT: Pages 943 - 976
WTF 🥴😀😀🥴😀🥴😀🥴😀 but thank you for responding!!! I was hoping someone could explain, but as of the moment, I still can't decide cuz my professor and other form professors have said this is a chaconne 🥴🥴🥴
@@Enrobdoolb Well, it seems you've discovered that there is no clear answer! The textbooks don't agree, the professors don't agree. Some things are like that!
@@Enrobdoolb You're welcome! Remember: if something seems like it doesn't quite add up, good chance it genuinely doesn't.
The terms for all intents and purposes are interchangeable, but Brahms preferred Chaconne.
For me the finale is just a set of variations, like Beethoven's Eroica. I don't see how it's a passacaglia or a chaconne. Did Brahms himself call it either? (If he did, I concede the point. Who am I to argue with Brahms?)
It's certainly a passacaglia/chaconne and not a theme and variations. Moreover, there is a macrostructure of something "sonata-ish"
Primephonic are the only ads I get on these videos.
Why don’t you analyze Schubert’s symphonies?
I might have missed it. Why is Beethoven's Fourth pointed out at the beginning?
He said it in somebody else's comment, it was a mistake, the info after is still for brahms tho
@@willsober7161 Thanks.
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So, why Beethoven?😊 (0:09)
0:08 BEETHOVEN??????😅
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Anyone notice the mistake in the intro that says Beethoven instead of brahms
* Sonata = Per sonare *
* Cantata = Per cantare *
E F# G A A#! B D# E
Most intense note (A#) is on Golden ratio (5/8)
I can hear on this how much brahms was inspired by J.H.Schein (1586-1630)
Interesting. Do you have a specific work(s) in mind?
@@Anonymus-z3z yes.Banchetto Musicale
@@Anonymus-z3z the start of the mvt.2 is the one that most remenbers me it.
@@yeah8598 thanks for the quick answer. :)
I didn't get why the symphony ended tragically.
I like passacaglias. Especially Händel th-cam.com/video/MQ8svM3S9t0/w-d-xo.html (even the modern interpretation by Halvorsen) and H.I.F. Biber th-cam.com/video/sgcR183f8gA/w-d-xo.html
I hope to see some more about baroque music on this channel in the future. It's so underrated these days.
Ah, yes, the Contrabassoon concerto
It's not how passacaglia is pronounced. "Passagalia"?
gli in Italian is not pronounced separately
@@ric5963 That part he got right. "lia". But it's "passacalia, not "passagalia".
Who else came here because of Yes?
A weird pronunciation of “passacaglia”! (By weird I mean WRONG.)
Hahahaha so mean
The narrator does'nt seem to connect with the narrative. That extra effort brings out the fact that he is merely reading it from a book.
Why do you think that it is read from a book? Oscar is a very engaging speaker, maybe that's what you are referring to with "extra effort". But let me assure you, he always talks like this in his videos.