When somebody dance salsa , only dance cuban rhythms. No bomba or plena are in salsa dance. In new york they change the name of (son and guaracha) to salsa. But they kept the name of bomba and plena whith the original name.
Thanks for the comment! That may be true when it comes to the dancing. I'm talking about the music, however. Small elements of Bomba and Plena are definitely in many Salsa songs, especially elements of Bomba. Based on what I've heard, they are sometimes used from time to time as brief transitions or bridges before the rhythm goes back to the standard Cuban Conga Tumbao pattern. There are way too many examples of this for me to list here, but one good example is "Yo Soy de Ley" from 1980 by Roberto Roena (which is apparently a remake of a 1976 Cuban song called 'Mañana me Caso Contigo' by Conjunto Universal de Cuba): th-cam.com/video/AY3fKldv0og/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q9liE_MZNdEDmzHf Notice when the Bomba rhythm comes in at :38, then again at 1:13. Then, please listen to other Salsa songs and see if you can recognize when this rhythm happens. Of course, many other songs don't use the Bomba rhythm quite as much (or for as long) as this song does. This song is an exception. But it's a good example of Bomba being used in Salsa music. It still is used a lot but in much smaller doses. Also, Bomba doesn't replace the standard Cuban "Son Montuno" rhythm. It just seems to be like an embellishment to add some variety to the music.
Real Puerto Rican artists have always said that it’s just Cuban Music, yet the media keeps calling it by a different name on purpose. Cuba was looted by communists first and then by record labels
@@jorgemdiezmero This video never said it was a motive to label the music "Salsa". That is a different issue altogether and "Bomba" is only one of the slight enhancements that musicians made to the music during the early days of "Salsa" music. The influence of Jazz, an African American genre, was much more widespread and noticeable than those small elements of "Bomba" or "Plena" that are sometimes used. Please don't confuse what I'm saying for things you may have heard from others because this video is not saying the same thing. The occasional use of Puerto Rican elements such as "Bomba" still do not change the music from being fundamentally Cuban at its core. Even still, elements such as "Bomba", while minor and only briefly used, occur in way more songs than what you mentioned. (There are many examples that I can easily send to you.) It is definitely much more than 0% like you stated and that is very easy to prove. In fact, I already sent you one example. But in order to know the overall percentage of "Bomba" used in "Salsa", you would have to actually listen to a lot of "Salsa" music. Unfortunately, some don't actually listen to enough actual "Salsa" music since they don't seem to like it very much. Especially if they think that "Salsa" is just Cuban music that was given a new name like you seem to be saying. I understand that viewpoint and have heard it many times before. However, the issue of the motive behind the name "Salsa" is an entirely different subject than what this video is discussing. Part 3 talks more about that. On the other side, there are those who think that "Salsa" is much more than just Cuban music. It's a controversial subject. However, this video is not about taking sides. I personally believe that "Salsa" is basically a re-interpretation of Cuban Son-Montuno (among other mostly Cuban rhythms). Slight embellishments were made to enhance the music somewhat, just like seasoning can enhance the flavor of a meal. However, those enhancements were minor and don't change the fact that the foundation of the music is Cuban. Also, they weren't enhancements that Cuban musicians couldn't have made themselves. Modern Cuban styles like Songo and Timba are proof of that. So when you keep trying to argue that "Salsa" is Cuban music, you're "preaching to the choir" so to speak. You're telling me something I already know and something this video series already explains . This is why, when you sent me that video of the Conjunto Kubavana song, I immediately sent you 2 more Cuban Guarachas in reply. Thank you for that song. I am always looking for more Cuban Son-Montunos which clearly show that Cuban musicians were already approaching the "Salsa" sound decades before the "Fania Records" era even began. This is also why these videos clearly state from the beginning that the foundation of "Salsa" is Cuban music. I understand the argument you are trying to make, I think you are just making it on the wrong channel.
That's a great video, and there are a lot more where that came from. I also like the song "Rumba en el Patio" from Conjunto Kubavana. th-cam.com/video/lN8U0uLw_Ak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ig4stLhpgrQK-5M8 This song was remade by Salsa artists like Sonora Ponceña. But that just goes to show how unmistakably Cuban the foundation of Salsa is. I think the original Cuban version was from 1948, and at around 2:30 into the song, it sounds just like Eddie Palmieri's "Vamonos Pal Monte", except it was recorded 23 years earlier! There are other examples, but I recently discovered this treasure from Roberto Faz. I believe it was from 1959, though I can't find a reliable date: th-cam.com/video/264dTy-aBuY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=biYj2YOjPMOxuXtt With the slight upgrades and adjustments that "Salsa" musicians made to the Cuban rhythms, this song from Roberto Faz shows that Cuban "Son Montuno" was already at a high level and the "Salsa" sound wasn't too dramatically different from what Cuban musicians had already done.
The video is good, but the salsa music is lauder than the narrator. Also, the narrator needs more intonation as his voice is low and boring, it looks like he is recording in a space where he can not raise his voice to give more dynamics to the speech.
I agree 100% and that's what Part 3 of this video series shows. Even though the word "Salsa" has been associated with this music since the 1930s, it began to be used as a commercial label for the entire family of mostly Cuban rhythms in the 1960s, and Fania records made it an official label in the 1970s. Nevertheless, as part 1 of this video discussed, the foundation of the music is undeniably from Cuba, likely the Cuban Son-Montuno (Guaracha-style).
Africa+Cuba = Salsa ❤❤❤
really cool video, learned a lot! Thanks!
Thank you for your comment, and I'm glad you found the information helpful!
When somebody dance salsa , only dance cuban rhythms. No bomba or plena are in salsa dance. In new york they change the name of (son and guaracha) to salsa. But they kept the name of bomba and plena whith the original name.
Thanks for the comment! That may be true when it comes to the dancing. I'm talking about the music, however. Small elements of Bomba and Plena are definitely in many Salsa songs, especially elements of Bomba.
Based on what I've heard, they are sometimes used from time to time as brief transitions or bridges before the rhythm goes back to the standard Cuban Conga Tumbao pattern.
There are way too many examples of this for me to list here, but one good example is "Yo Soy de Ley" from 1980 by Roberto Roena (which is apparently a remake of a 1976 Cuban song called 'Mañana me Caso Contigo' by Conjunto Universal de Cuba):
th-cam.com/video/AY3fKldv0og/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q9liE_MZNdEDmzHf
Notice when the Bomba rhythm comes in at :38, then again at 1:13. Then, please listen to other Salsa songs and see if you can recognize when this rhythm happens. Of course, many other songs don't use the Bomba rhythm quite as much (or for as long) as this song does. This song is an exception. But it's a good example of Bomba being used in Salsa music. It still is used a lot but in much smaller doses. Also, Bomba doesn't replace the standard Cuban "Son Montuno" rhythm. It just seems to be like an embellishment to add some variety to the music.
Real Puerto Rican artists have always said that it’s just Cuban Music, yet the media keeps calling it by a different name on purpose. Cuba was looted by communists first and then by record labels
@@salsagoals That's not a motive to change the name. And That's hapen only in the 0000000000000000, 1 of the time.
@@jorgemdiezmero This video never said it was a motive to label the music "Salsa". That is a different issue altogether and "Bomba" is only one of the slight enhancements that musicians made to the music during the early days of "Salsa" music. The influence of Jazz, an African American genre, was much more widespread and noticeable than those small elements of "Bomba" or "Plena" that are sometimes used. Please don't confuse what I'm saying for things you may have heard from others because this video is not saying the same thing.
The occasional use of Puerto Rican elements such as "Bomba" still do not change the music from being fundamentally Cuban at its core. Even still, elements such as "Bomba", while minor and only briefly used, occur in way more songs than what you mentioned. (There are many examples that I can easily send to you.) It is definitely much more than 0% like you stated and that is very easy to prove. In fact, I already sent you one example. But in order to know the overall percentage of "Bomba" used in "Salsa", you would have to actually listen to a lot of "Salsa" music. Unfortunately, some don't actually listen to enough actual "Salsa" music since they don't seem to like it very much. Especially if they think that "Salsa" is just Cuban music that was given a new name like you seem to be saying.
I understand that viewpoint and have heard it many times before. However, the issue of the motive behind the name "Salsa" is an entirely different subject than what this video is discussing. Part 3 talks more about that.
On the other side, there are those who think that "Salsa" is much more than just Cuban music. It's a controversial subject. However, this video is not about taking sides.
I personally believe that "Salsa" is basically a re-interpretation of Cuban Son-Montuno (among other mostly Cuban rhythms). Slight embellishments were made to enhance the music somewhat, just like seasoning can enhance the flavor of a meal. However, those enhancements were minor and don't change the fact that the foundation of the music is Cuban. Also, they weren't enhancements that Cuban musicians couldn't have made themselves. Modern Cuban styles like Songo and Timba are proof of that.
So when you keep trying to argue that "Salsa" is Cuban music, you're "preaching to the choir" so to speak. You're telling me something I already know and something this video series already explains . This is why, when you sent me that video of the Conjunto Kubavana song, I immediately sent you 2 more Cuban Guarachas in reply. Thank you for that song. I am always looking for more Cuban Son-Montunos which clearly show that Cuban musicians were already approaching the "Salsa" sound decades before the "Fania Records" era even began.
This is also why these videos clearly state from the beginning that the foundation of "Salsa" is Cuban music. I understand the argument you are trying to make, I think you are just making it on the wrong channel.
th-cam.com/video/lN8U0uLw_Ak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TdwCAXJKILXRdZWP recordé in 1948 cuba
That's a great video, and there are a lot more where that came from. I also like the song "Rumba en el Patio" from Conjunto Kubavana.
th-cam.com/video/lN8U0uLw_Ak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ig4stLhpgrQK-5M8
This song was remade by Salsa artists like Sonora Ponceña. But that just goes to show how unmistakably Cuban the foundation of Salsa is. I think the original Cuban version was from 1948, and at around 2:30 into the song, it sounds just like Eddie Palmieri's "Vamonos Pal Monte", except it was recorded 23 years earlier!
There are other examples, but I recently discovered this treasure from Roberto Faz. I believe it was from 1959, though I can't find a reliable date:
th-cam.com/video/264dTy-aBuY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=biYj2YOjPMOxuXtt
With the slight upgrades and adjustments that "Salsa" musicians made to the Cuban rhythms, this song from Roberto Faz shows that Cuban "Son Montuno" was already at a high level and the "Salsa" sound wasn't too dramatically different from what Cuban musicians had already done.
The video is good, but the salsa music is lauder than the narrator. Also, the narrator needs more intonation as his voice is low and boring, it looks like he is recording in a space where he can not raise his voice to give more dynamics to the speech.
Thanks, and very accurate points!
th-cam.com/video/QYHB3pIZ2oU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=O87qceAHC1zI3dnr recorded in cuba.1948. Nobody created salsa. Salsa is just an comercial name.
I agree 100% and that's what Part 3 of this video series shows. Even though the word "Salsa" has been associated with this music since the 1930s, it began to be used as a commercial label for the entire family of mostly Cuban rhythms in the 1960s, and Fania records made it an official label in the 1970s. Nevertheless, as part 1 of this video discussed, the foundation of the music is undeniably from Cuba, likely the Cuban Son-Montuno (Guaracha-style).