I am in a drum/percusion class and never knew what exactly 2/3 and 3/2 meant. I was told to listen and repeat it. which has not been effective. Now, after your video, it is so simple! Music teachers do not have to make simple things difficult. Many music videos are more of showing off their talents, as opposed to teaching. You actually like to teach! thank you!
THIS is the video I was searching for so that I can improving my dancing! So I can _feel_ it! To know and feel the syncopated rhythm I would think would give you the ability to play with it on the dance floor. Knowledge it power in this case.
You are confuse because of the 2&3 or 6&7, you count to 2 or 6 and wait and wait and hit or clap on &[and] exactly. HiT On AND[&]--> this is the whole point!
Thanks for the excellent tutorial. While I did know how the clave worked, I have never been able to easily clap a decent clave beat. Following along and counting the 2 made the difference. Awesome!
I appreciate the video , when learning to dance Mambo , many dance teachers can not relate the movement to the music (clave) I thank you for the incite
Really great video - finally understand where the clave fits in with the beat structure!! And glad you're saying it's good knowledge - takes away the pressure ;))
Listen to Tito Rodriquez :Claves for Mambo" : The Clave is so strong you can't miss it Salsa dancers a great help in your dancing, I am on Classic Mambo (On 2)
It’s only pronounce “Klah-veh” in the Latin Culture. The original “instrument” as well as it’s rhythm pattern is from Africa is not pronounced as such in Africa. This is an ancient African musical instrument, rhythm and pattern still used in African music today in Africa as well as by descendants of Africa today in music. The sound is the sound of Africa with the exact same pattern. It does not have Latin origin and is rather one of many “African Rhythm” introduced to Latin culture by Afro-Latinos. We have Africans in many cultures across the globe sharing the sound of Africa. You will hear this music and rhythm sound in several cultures outside of Latin for that reason. Everybody give a shout out TO AFRICA. Listen to Afro Beat Music, Afro Dance Music, Nigerian Music, Angola Music, Uganda Music, Ghana Music, and more (all in Africa) and you will find this instrument rhythm and same rhythm pattern and sound. Latin culture has Afro-Latino to thank for introducing the sound to the culture (Afro-Dominican, Afro-Puerto Rican, Afro-Brazilian, Afro-Cuban) but that doesn’t make it Latin. It’s still an African instrument and music by very ancient origin. The instrument and rhythm sound is new to Latin culture, but not to Africa and it’s people by African descent. It’s passed down generation to generation and remains The Sound of Africa. Trinidad and Tobago’s Soca Music, Jamaican Music (reggae and Dancehall), St Lúcia Afro, all has this same pattern in their Music. African-Americans use the same in their music as well.
Funny, being so important to the music then why didn't salsa, son, mambo or any of the other Latin musics come out of Africa? Why did they come first & mostly out of Latin America. Why don't we take out all the Latino influence from all Latin musics and leave only the African to see what really matters. Latinos had their music waaay before Africa came, and it was good then too. Just because Africa shared its music doesn't mean Latin America needs to thank anyone anymore than Africans would to Latinos for sharing their music also. Symbiosis is everywhere.
Suggestion many are wanting to dance Mambo/Salsa but were not in the culture to "feel" the beat; possible to demonstrate movement with music - start with a slow beat so the one's who are thinking to hard can follow than a sped up version.
thank you for this vid..You make a good point about listenting to the general structure, which in some cases is very clear but in other cases i have no idea where the beat is and I dont have a particular instrument that I can listen to .. in bachata, for instance, If I get lost I hear the bass, which never changes TUM///TUMTUM//TUM (every four beats) ... I guess salsa is much more complex and I cannot rely on a particular instrument?
Question: I understood that 2-3 clave means 2 in the first beat and 3 in the second beat. And 3-2 clave is 3 in the first beat and 2 in the second beat. But if Im listening to a Salsa song and missed the beginning I cant figure out if it is a 2-3 or a 3-2 clave song. How to hear if its a 2-3 or 3-2 clave?
Hey there....replace "beat" with bars. This will take some time....only practice will achieve. I do struggled for a while when starting. :) Stay with it!
You are right to be confused as on its own it is impossible to distinguish a 2-3 clave from 3-2 clave. The easiest way I can think of is to listen to the piano or the bass, as the phrases of both of the instruments are at least 2 bars long and have a characteristic "beginning and ending" feeling. The beat where you feel the phrases of the said instruments are starting is the "beat 1". There are many more nuances to it, and it is most definitely not the only way of figuring it out, though this is the way I do it, and I believe it is enough to get one started.
HI, thank you so much for this video however I still have a question. I understand the difference between the 3-2 and 2-3 clave but how does this impact your timing in dancing. Are you dancing on1 ( or Tiempo) with 3-2 clave and on2( contratempo) with 2-3 clave or am I completely wrong now? I hope to hear from you soon. Thanking in advance.
Good question. I think clave does not impact the timing in dancing at all. I found it hard at the beginning to connect the clave and the way I moved legs because the accents are totally different. Clave can help understand the phases of the music (its beginning and end) but I feel like it has nothing to do with moving the legs. Please, correct me, if I am wrong
@@Scarlett1351 you don't only dance with legs. Salsa is a dance where you can dance to different rhythms with different body parts. So your legs are stepping to the usual 6/8 salsa rhythm but, let's say your torso move to clave.
Hey! I watched the whole thing twice and finally understood the differences between the 2 claves. I think that it might be confusing when you emphasize 4/5 bits and talking about three, its not very clear that you relate to only few and the syncopation beats (the "and" count) Also what does it means that the clave is the core of the music, how doe's it keeps the rythem and how do they choose which one of the two to use?! I'm so confuse. would love to get further information. Also, doe's Clave has anything to do with dancing on1 or on 2?!! Thank you so much for your time.
You say that you are asked many questions about clave. This is of course because the dancers are confused, as I am. And dancers are confused because the so called INSTRUCTORS perhaps know how to dance, but when it comes to teaching it is a different story. To teach one needs some logic and brains. Your heading is Salsa/ Mambo, so one would expect that you would explain which clave is for Salsa and which is for Mambo. As far as I know the two clave sounds in the first 4 beats followed by three clave sounds in the second 4 beats prove that the music is Salsa. I would assume, if the clave sounds are reversed to 3/2 pattern, that the music is Mambo. Would you please confirm or explain. Thank you. (I agree that one can dance without the clave. After all the clave sound is lost amongst ten or fifteen pieces of instruments that are used to play Salsa or Mambo music).
Not sure I understand the purpose of this video for a dancer. Lots of discussion for 16 minutes and then saying that the clave doesn't matter anyway for dancing? Couldn't that have been stated at the beginning and then the video could be shorter?
Big10 Hello Big10: You said "Not sure I understand the purpose of this video for a dancer". My answer to you is this... As my message in the comment section says, and as I say in the video, it's a BIG question I receive everywhere I travel, so as a teacher to my students, I thought necessary to explain to those interested. Also, this is just good information to have...some additional knowledge. Simultaneously, not everyone is simply satisfied with the steps & turns of the dance; I wasn't. Many people want a better, deeper sense of what they are involved in as well, and this is also the reason I created this video. Lots of discussions happening for 16 mins as it takes a while to explain anything in detail this delicate and important to my students & those interested. Lastly, I never said the clave doesn't matter for dancing...I said it wasn't NECESSARY in order to dance Salsa.... FOR ME....big differences all around! :) The reason I said what I said on the end (about the clave and ME) versus in the beginning is because the truth of the information doesn't change based on my own opinion. Hope you are great. I see you are more of a cuban style dancer? Awesome!! Thanks for taking some time to stop by. :)
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17 years as a African Dancer. Performed bars, parades, and so much more. Sitting in with bands clave fits with jazz, and so much more. Thanks
You nail it, I met so many talent people, but only you can explain it clearly, thank you!
I am in a drum/percusion class and never knew what exactly 2/3 and 3/2 meant. I was told to listen and repeat it. which has not been effective. Now, after your video, it is so simple! Music teachers do not have to make simple things difficult. Many music videos are more of showing off their talents, as opposed to teaching. You actually like to teach! thank you!
Hello Barbara... thanks for this comment. :) I do!
Men you are the best....
THIS is the video I was searching for so that I can improving my dancing! So I can _feel_ it! To know and feel the syncopated rhythm I would think would give you the ability to play with it on the dance floor. Knowledge it power in this case.
You are brilliant and so great at explaining this in a simple way. Thank you!
Certainly welcome Susan!!! :)
Holy smokes! What an explanation! I could hear this but I couldn't understand what I was hearing. I thought i was confused. Thank you!
Do you dance or listen to salsa regularly.
You are confuse because of the 2&3 or 6&7, you count to 2 or 6 and wait and wait and hit or clap on &[and] exactly. HiT On AND[&]--> this is the whole point!
Thanks for the excellent tutorial. While I did know how the clave worked, I have never been able to easily clap a decent clave beat. Following along and counting the 2 made the difference. Awesome!
Thank for explaining in light of a two-bar phrase. So helpful!!! Thanks!!!!!!
very very good explanation! Muchas gracias!
Nice video, the challenge about the CLAVE is, it has to be feels!
Excellent video. He is very clear. As he says, understanding clave is not necessary for dancing. However, it underlies the entire melody and rhythm.
I love your mission :) to keep the art of salsa pure and true and alive as much as we can. Gracias por el video!
you feel it huh?
This is so amazing! It brings clarity! Thank you!!!
Knowledge is power! Thank you !
thank you SO much for this!! Clear, concise and friendly-- really helps the clave not be intimidating :) Thank you from London!!
You're welcome...glad it helped :)
I appreciate the video , when learning to dance Mambo , many dance teachers can not relate the movement to the music (clave) I thank you for the incite
JOHN IN VIRGINIA glad it helped. working on more stuff
8 MONTHS AGO i DID NOT UNDERSTAND A THING IN THIS VIDEO; BUT TODAY i UNDERSTAND - thx
Bob Wright sooooo awesome! glad you've made such progress!
Really great video - finally understand where the clave fits in with the beat structure!! And glad you're saying it's good knowledge - takes away the pressure ;))
:) happiness!!!!!
Very well explained. Thanks a million for this video.
Hey there...you're welcome!
You are a great teacher, thank you so much!
my pleasure!
THIS IS SOOOO GOOD. I didn't know any of this and I could totally follow it. Thank you.
you're welcome!
As a dancer and conga player, this is fabulous. Well done.
THANK YOU...SO MUCH! :)
God bless you, man. THANK YOU!
:) You're WELCOME!! #hugs
Listen to Tito Rodriquez :Claves for Mambo" : The Clave is so strong you can't miss it Salsa dancers a great help in your dancing, I am on Classic Mambo (On 2)
Ohhh really like this video! This one is super duper usefull! Btw, your gorgeous
lol..thanks
Best explanation ever!! thank u very much!! greetings from México
You're welcome! :)
Thank you for this great explanation!! I finally understand it now. Well done!!
You're welcome!
Terrific video, great explanations...GRACIAS!
YOU'RE WELCOME!
Thanks a lot for the video ! It is so helpful and I love the way you explain it !!
welcome! :)
super helpful video! your voice is soooo good
You have a good smile
Hi, From Morroco I like your vedeos and your ways To explain
it's easy To understand
thank you so much Fatima!! :)
Excellent teacher !
Muy bien explicado
Its the the foundation of improvising in dancing salsa.
You can improvise with rhythm control but never as if you have control of the clave.
wow very nice detailed explanation!
i think it takes a non-musician artist to teach this rhythm perfectly. thanks. i'm trying to play the drums.
This was fun 😄
very cool.
Thanks for watching!!
Thank you sir
You are incredible ....thanks
Hey there...you're welcome! :)
Thank you! :)
Awesome. Thank you
Great teacher, Thx
:) You're welcome Ellen
Really good explanation,
thanks your explanations were excelents
You're welcome :)
It’s only pronounce “Klah-veh” in the Latin Culture. The original “instrument” as well as it’s rhythm pattern is from Africa is not pronounced as such in Africa. This is an ancient African musical instrument, rhythm and pattern still used in African music today in Africa as well as by descendants of Africa today in music. The sound is the sound of Africa with the exact same pattern. It does not have Latin origin and is rather one of many “African Rhythm” introduced to Latin culture by Afro-Latinos. We have Africans in many cultures across the globe sharing the sound of Africa. You will hear this music and rhythm sound in several cultures outside of Latin for that reason. Everybody give a shout out TO AFRICA. Listen to Afro Beat Music, Afro Dance Music, Nigerian Music, Angola Music, Uganda Music, Ghana Music, and more (all in Africa) and you will find this instrument rhythm and same rhythm pattern and sound. Latin culture has Afro-Latino to thank for introducing the sound to the culture (Afro-Dominican, Afro-Puerto Rican, Afro-Brazilian, Afro-Cuban) but that doesn’t make it Latin. It’s still an African instrument and music by very ancient origin. The instrument and rhythm sound is new to Latin culture, but not to Africa and it’s people by African descent. It’s passed down generation to generation and remains The Sound of Africa. Trinidad and Tobago’s Soca Music, Jamaican Music (reggae and Dancehall), St Lúcia Afro, all has this same pattern in their Music. African-Americans use the same in their music as well.
Funny, being so important to the music then why didn't salsa, son, mambo or any of the other Latin musics come out of Africa?
Why did they come first & mostly out of Latin America.
Why don't we take out all the Latino influence from all Latin musics and leave only the African to see what really matters.
Latinos had their music waaay before Africa came, and it was good then too.
Just because Africa shared its music doesn't mean Latin America needs to thank anyone anymore than Africans would to Latinos for sharing their music also.
Symbiosis is everywhere.
@@MR-nl8xr You sad ignorant mestizo
@@MrSivram28 lol, hurt much.
How do you know which songs is 2/3 clave or a 3/2 clave? Sometimes i go wrong. I can't differentiate
Thank you
That was awesome!
GREAT TEACHER
you're kind :)
Suggestion many are wanting to dance Mambo/Salsa but were not in the culture to "feel" the beat; possible to demonstrate movement with music - start with a slow beat so the one's who are thinking to hard can follow than a sped up version.
Bob Wright OK.
thank you for this vid..You make a good point about listenting to the general structure, which in some cases is very clear but in other cases i have no idea where the beat is and I dont have a particular instrument that I can listen to .. in bachata, for instance, If I get lost I hear the bass, which never changes TUM///TUMTUM//TUM (every four beats) ... I guess salsa is much more complex and I cannot rely on a particular instrument?
very true! It takes practice and time to get your ear to cooperate. Stay motivated!!
Great video!
Question:
I understood that 2-3 clave means 2 in the first beat and 3 in the second beat. And 3-2 clave is 3 in the first beat and 2 in the second beat. But if Im listening to a Salsa song and missed the beginning I cant figure out if it is a 2-3 or a 3-2 clave song. How to hear if its a 2-3 or 3-2 clave?
Hey there....replace "beat" with bars. This will take some time....only practice will achieve. I do struggled for a while when starting. :) Stay with it!
You are right to be confused as on its own it is impossible to distinguish a 2-3 clave from 3-2 clave. The easiest way I can think of is to listen to the piano or the bass, as the phrases of both of the instruments are at least 2 bars long and have a characteristic "beginning and ending" feeling. The beat where you feel the phrases of the said instruments are starting is the "beat 1".
There are many more nuances to it, and it is most definitely not the only way of figuring it out, though this is the way I do it, and I believe it is enough to get one started.
really helps a lot,thanks u
You're welcome!! :)
pretty dope video. thank you
You're welcome!! :)
Thank You!
please more about the salsa music
Vjjdw2 Teetin working on it!!
what is the runba clave counts ?
Thanks guys!
the best
so helpful. And on top of that ur cute.. gosh :) Thank you!
...and single
That beautiful smile is distracting lol.
HI, thank you so much for this video however I still have a question. I understand the difference between the 3-2 and 2-3 clave but how does this impact your timing in dancing. Are you dancing on1 ( or Tiempo) with 3-2 clave and on2( contratempo) with 2-3 clave or am I completely wrong now? I hope to hear from you soon. Thanking in advance.
Good question. I think clave does not impact the timing in dancing at all. I found it hard at the beginning to connect the clave and the way I moved legs because the accents are totally different. Clave can help understand the phases of the music (its beginning and end) but I feel like it has nothing to do with moving the legs. Please, correct me, if I am wrong
@@Scarlett1351 you don't only dance with legs. Salsa is a dance where you can dance to different rhythms with different body parts. So your legs are stepping to the usual 6/8 salsa rhythm but, let's say your torso move to clave.
Hey! I watched the whole thing twice and finally understood the differences between the 2 claves. I think that it might be confusing when you emphasize 4/5 bits and talking about three, its not very clear that you relate to only few and the syncopation beats (the "and" count) Also what does it means that the clave is the core of the music, how doe's it keeps the rythem and how do they choose which one of the two to use?! I'm so confuse. would love to get further information. Also, doe's Clave has anything to do with dancing on1 or on 2?!! Thank you so much for your time.
thanks!!
a good Song to explain Clave is Clave Mambo by Joe Cuba Sextent
You say that you are asked many questions about clave. This is of course because the dancers are confused, as I am. And dancers are confused because the so called INSTRUCTORS perhaps know how to dance, but when it comes to teaching it is a different story. To teach one needs some logic and brains.
Your heading is Salsa/ Mambo, so one would expect that you would explain which clave is for Salsa and which is for Mambo.
As far as I know the two clave sounds in the first 4 beats followed by three clave sounds in the second 4 beats prove that the music is Salsa. I would assume, if the clave sounds are reversed to 3/2 pattern, that the music is Mambo. Would you please confirm or explain. Thank you. (I agree that one can dance without the clave. After all the clave sound is lost amongst ten or fifteen pieces of instruments that are used to play Salsa or Mambo music).
DOn't know about Mambo, but in Salsa you can have it either way. 3/2 in some songs, 2/3 in others.
Lol i do have some claves
..that's what's up! lol
4/4 timing 3/2 son clave:
First Measure
Crotchet (1)
Quaver Rest
Quaver (2a)
Crotchet Rest
Crochet (4)
Second Measure
Crotchet Rest
Crochet (6)
Crochet(7)
Crotchet Rest
Bob Wright
Not sure I understand the purpose of this video for a dancer. Lots of discussion for 16 minutes and then saying that the clave doesn't matter anyway for dancing? Couldn't that have been stated at the beginning and then the video could be shorter?
Big10 Hello Big10: You said "Not sure I understand the purpose of this video for a dancer". My answer to you is this...
As my message in the comment section says, and as I say in the video, it's a BIG question I receive everywhere I travel, so as a teacher to my students, I thought necessary to explain to those interested. Also, this is just good information to have...some additional knowledge. Simultaneously, not everyone is simply satisfied with the steps & turns of the dance; I wasn't. Many people want a better, deeper sense of what they are involved in as well, and this is also the reason I created this video. Lots of discussions happening for 16 mins as it takes a while to explain anything in detail this delicate and important to my students & those interested.
Lastly, I never said the clave doesn't matter for dancing...I said it wasn't NECESSARY in order to dance Salsa.... FOR ME....big differences all around! :) The reason I said what I said on the end (about the clave and ME) versus in the beginning is because the truth of the information doesn't change based on my own opinion. Hope you are great. I see you are more of a cuban style dancer? Awesome!! Thanks for taking some time to stop by. :)
I thought its important to know if its a 2-3 clave or a 3-2 clave to know if you have step 2 or step 6. Not right?
2-3 is rumba , 3-2 is son music by extension salsa.....that's it. with salsa who cares about it , just follow the bass...end of the story
LOL...if that works for you, great, but some of us like to actually KNOW what we're doing!
Great explanation... Please loose the hat
..thank you, loose the hat?? never! :) #hugs