In a previous scene you can hear Windows drop the keys and run when he find Bennings being assimilated. In the ensuing chaos, a thing must have found the lost keys and used them to destroy the blood supply. The only two who could have gotten to the blood were Palmer and Norris. That's what I love about this movie. The subtle clues.
It's not really a shapeshifter, though, not how you mean it. It absorbs and replicates DNA from different species. So when we see it changing, it's cycling through its genetic memory to find the form best suited to help it either escape from danger or absorb another lifeform. It can't just rearrange itself at will, not that we see. For example, the assimilated Palmer shows no ability of copying another one of the men's appearances. That Thing can only look like Palmer, just as the assimilated Norris looks like Norris, Blair like Blair, etc. So it can't just turn its finger into a key, unless it absorbs a species which has that ability.
It was Palmer. Norris was present to see Bennings get torched, and Blair was still locked up in the shed under sedative. Count the number of people in that long shot of the group standing around Bennings' imitation while it burns. There's only 9 of them, out of 12 crew members in total. Even if Blair were assimilated at this point, there would've been too many people around the base for him to slip out unnoticed. th-cam.com/video/w0Z44BIDPPc/w-d-xo.html
What's really beautiful about this scene is it's shot continuously without any cuts. They were going to film it in segments and edit it together but the cast convinced Carpenter they could do it like a stage play in one shot. They set up a tracking camera and a couple stationary ones and let fly. A testimony to the professionalism of everyone in that small room.
I don't think that is the case. Note that at NO TIME did Windows ever say that he had asked Gerry for the keys, and at NO TIME did Garry ever say that he had given the keys to Windows. Indeed, Garry is as perplexed as anyone how that blood bank could be unlocked (both Garry and Copper agree that the keys are only shared between the two of them.) I know that Bennings TOLD Windows to go ask Garry for the keys. We see that. I know that Widows did, indeed, have the keys on him when he returned to the store room. We see that. But we NEVER see Windows going up to Garry and ask for the keys. We NEVER hear Windows say that Garry gave him the keys. We NEVER hear Garry saying that, yeah, Windows was the last person he gave the keys to. This scene is better explained if we assume that Windows just took them from Garry's office without asking, and then dropped them in shock when he came across Bennings in mid-assimilation. It explains why Garry doesn't remember giving the keys to Windows (i.e. he never did) Note also that while Childs accuses Garry of always having the keys on his belt that is exactly that - an accusation - it is not a proven fact and, indeed, Garry loudly and angrily objects to Childs' accusation. I think that Windows is panicking in this scene 1) not because he was the last person to have the keys, and 2) not because he had dropped the keys, but rather 3) he was panicking because the conversation was turning to the idea that someone must have swiped the keys. And, yeah, someone did swipe the keys: he did. Not for the purpose of sabotaging the blood, sure, but he knew he was in a room full of angry, frightened men.
My son turns 15 years old this August and has entered that phase of being a serious movie buff. He's into Tarantino and Guy Ritchie films right now, and in a few days, we're going to pop some popcorn, dim the living room lights, and watch The Thing together, it will be his first time watching it. I'm BEYOND excited for him.
I don't think Windows "got the keys from Garry" at all. I know Bennings TOLD Windows to ask Garry for the keys. And I know that Windows does have the keys on him when he returned to the store room. But Garry makes no mention of Windows asking him for the keys, and no recollection of giving the keys to Windows. I don't think he did. I suspect that Windows simply went to Garry's (empty) office, found the keys in there, and swiped them. It fits all the facts, it explains why Garry doesn't remember giving them to Windows (because he didn't give them to Windows) and it explains why Windows becomes increasingly agitated as the conversation goes on, and then bolts in panic from the room when Garry suggests that, yeah, I suppose someone could have stolen the keys. Yeah, someone did: Windows.
I've been watching this movie for 40 years and I never noticed that damn nose ring EVER and also those keys do not matter at all cause it could just spit on the blood bank and destroy from the inside. Remember how it spit on the dogs.
I like how when everybody else is arguing, Norris is staying in the backround, not drawing attention to himself. Many people think Palmer was the first thing but it doesn't match with the thing wanting to hide, Palmer's explosive personality only makes him a bigger target (His personality shifts a lot after maccready comes back in with the dynamite, when he's pretty much guarenteed to be assimilated) So i think Norris is the only thing at this time, and he's the one who got to the blood.
I agree. The radio room scene was the only known opportunity that the Thing had to sabotage the blood. Norris was accounted for; he helped by grabbing a table the group used to rush Blair. Palmer wasn't.
@@rhenvao2844 Considering assimilations happen offscreen, it could be that the blood was sabotaged during a period of time between scenes we did not see. Norris could have come in to help them subdue Blair after having already sabotaged the blood
Likely Palmer. Norris looks like he was infected (possibly through deliberate food contamination early on) and once it started to spread it quickly changed him from the inside out. There's no reason why the thing would fake having a heart attack just to kill the doctor in a room full of flame throwers.
@@Murchad99 Better explanation: Norris was present to watch Bennings burn. Palmer wasn't. As for why Norris-Thing passed out... Likely yet another casualty to the special effects lead's disregard for continuity. You got a plot hole or question pertaining to a really expensive-looking Thing scene with puppets and animatronics and stuff? Likely that's due to John Carpenter allowing his special effects guy to run wild at the expense of continuity. It's the primary reason I don't like the film: the Thing creature doesn't behave consistently between when it's hiding and when it's exposed.
@@1krani The lack of consistancy is one of the main reasons the film is terrifying. It's meant to breed paranoia from the fact that you don't know. The greatest fear of mankind is that which we can't analyse and pick apart, and when the film is so loosely consistant and when the creature, by it's very nature and design, is inconsistent, in behavior, appearance, intellect, ect, it makes it horrifying to behold. As for why Norris passed out, it's simple: the Thing mimicks absolutely everything about someone, including the downsides. When it mimicks something, it mimicks everything perfectly unless someone pedantic and paranoid enough tests them. So it stands to reason that Norris had a heart problem that the Thing had to replicate because it's in it's nature. It's an animal, a virus, and viruses spread.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Inconsistency and illogic aren't the same thing. If a creature behaves illogically, then it needs to do so all the time. If a Catachan barking toad DIDN'T irrationally blow itself up at the slightest provocation, 40K fans would call it bad writing. Yes, the toad blowing up in self-defense makes no logical sense, but it's consistent with how the barking toad is established in canon. Plus, The Thing's inconsistency only ever plays to the heroes' favor, what with Palmer-Thing NOT killing Windows and going for MacReady while his flamethrower is still malfunctioning, or Blair-Thing abandoning stealth when it finally comes time to kill MacReady. I don't see how I'm supposed to find that scarier than consistent, intelligent menace.
I'll put my two cents into the hat about who I think sabotaged the blood. I believe it was Palmer, and here are my reasons: 1.) The keys. We know Windows last had them and he dropped them upon seeing the Thing in the middle of assimilating Bennings. That would explain how the Thing acquired them to access the blood storage. Palmer is notably absent during the scene where Blair trashes the radio room. Norris helps by grabbing a table that they use to rush Blair, so he clearly doesn't have the time or opportunity to get to the blood. 2.) After the confrontation over the blood, Palmer acts unusually hostile and distrusting of Windows. He questions where Windows was and outright refuses to go with him anywhere alone. Palmer picked up on the fact that Windows was responsible for dropping the keys and was taking advantage of that to make him look more suspicious. 3.) It's an easy-to-miss detail but one that sells the idea that Palmer did the deed: he has his earpieces in for the whole scene. Understand that this scene could have had multiple takes, maybe even took a day or two to complete, so between takes, he would have been instructed to keep them in for continuity or the actor was just committed to this and no one on the crew said anything. Given how deliberate many of the smaller clues are, however, I don't think this was an accident. Look at it like this: Bennings just died, they've found someone sabotaged the blood so there's an imitation among them... and Palmer is listening to music like he doesn't care to know what's going on. The way this can be read is that Palmer is remaining under the radar and letting everyone else turn on each other out of paranoia. 4.) The sabotaged blood is brought up right before Palmer is exposed as an imitation during the blood test scene. Mac opts to do Garry last and tests Palmer; he fails. This might as well have been the film's way of saying who the real culprit was. So, there are my reasons. Palmer's absence during Blair's freak out, his hostility towards Windows while suspicion on him was hot, his complete lack of involvement in the blood storage argument, and his exposure right as it was referenced allows me to say with confidence that he was the one who sabotaged the blood.
Palmer was there. He was the black figure on Garry's right side at the bottom of the screen. Only Blair and Clark were absent from Bennings's burning. Re-watch the scene, look at the bottom of the screen toward the left. Palmer is next to Garry!!!
@@tedflanc1024 Indeed. Notice, too, that when Garry asks "Where's Blair?", everyone, including Palmer, looks to one another in confusion. The ONLY person who doesn't take his eyes off the burning Bennings Thing is Norris. He keeps his eyes fixed to it in anger.
It's unclear when Palmer and Norris assimilated, but it's possible that one of them picked up the keys after Windows dropped them, destroyed the blood supply, and returned the keys somehow. With this in mind, most fans have pointed their fingers at Palmer, accusing him of the sabota
childs: garry sus _shouting_ clark: you're accusing everybody! garry: dr. connor's the only one that's got any business with the key! d. connor: now wait a minute, harry, you've been in med bay the whole game!
What if Blair did it before being stopped by everyone in the Radio Room? I mean, even if he was checking his computer for informations about the Thing, it could mean that he already was infected and searched for answers about what the human being already knows about the "assimilation". Then when Windows dropped the keys, possibly Blair took the keys and went to the blood samples. After Bennings-Thing being burned Blair destroyed the helicopter.
Note also that Childs' angry outburst elicits an equally-strong response from Garry i.e. it derails the entire conversation. Had Childs not been, well, Childish then that conversation would have proceeded along the lines of - someone must have lifted the keys without Garry knowing about it. Who could that be? Who could that be? Who could that be? Windows [raising a hand]: Umm, it was me. Bennings asked for the keys, and I took them without asking Garry. But, noooooo, Childs has to be Childs, and so the room erupts in anger and Windows' bolts out of the room in a panic.
The thing that puzzles me is.......why test the whole blood in storage? Surely this would all be clean and uncontaminated? The only contaminated blood would be in the living units. (people).
Wait, how would testing that blood help them find the "Thing" when that blood was extracted before the alien even got transported to their base? It would just be human blood, I never understand that. It'd make more sense if they originally thought of testing their current blood, can someone explain?
The Thing assimulates so its blood would react when exposed to healthy non assimulated cells. The infected blood that began to assimulate the regular blood belongs to The Thing.
The blood in the bags were "untainted" by Thing cells, so if you take (say) MacReady's stored blood and mixed it with a fresh blood sample then.... nothing would happen. It's just MacReady-blood being mixed with some more MacReady-blood. But if you took a blood sample from the Palmer-Thing and mixed it with the stored blood from Palmer's blood bag then they won't be the same, and so the mixed-blood would coagulate.
And then returned the keys to Garry, because Garry has the keys on him when Blair went coo-coo-crazy. Yet Garry doesn't recall lending the key to Windows nor does he recollect that someone else returned the keys to him. To my mind the only explanation for that is that Windows DIDN'T ask Garry for the keys (despite Bennings telling him to ask Garry for them), he simply wandered into Garry's office and took them off the desk. Then he dropped them in the store room, a Thing picked them up and sabotaged the blood, then simply dropped them back on Garry's desk. As far as Garry is concerned he would have no knowledge that Windows ever took the keys, or that anyone else returned them: all he would know is that they were on his desk when he left his office, and was still there when he returned. That explains why Garry was perplexed about how the blood bank was opened, and it also explains why Windows became increasingly alarmed during the conversation and finally fled in panic when it was suggested that someone must have "lifted the keys" from Garry without his knowledge. Someone did: Windows.
Idk if we're going from the prequel I don't think the Thing can replicate inorganic objects such as a key. Besides that, the thing's strategy was twofold in this case, it wanted to destroy ways of being found out in the short term and plant the seed of distrust in the long, which wouldn't be as fun if it just morphed the hand into the key. And unless the thing just picked up the keys for no reason then it would be discovered by the others since they would find the keys when searching for any remaining parts of Bennings.
it was Blair; Blair was sneaking back into the camp and stealing parts to build the spaceship at the end of the movie. the thing was burrowing beneath the camp, that's how Blair went undetected.
Except he would've had to somehow know about the keys being dropped in the first place AND come up above ground without being detected. More likely it was Palmer. If you look at the shot where everyone's standing around Bennings' imitation while it burns, there's only 9 of them. With Blair locked up and Norris being accounted for in a previous close-up shot, the only unexplained absence is Palmer.
Blair wasn't incarcerated until after Bennings died, he and Clark were the only two not at there when MacReady killed Bennings-thing. He could have lifted the keys when Windows dropped them.
@@TheLowBrassDude Actually, wait: where was Palmer in that scene where Blair went coocoo for Cocoa Puffs in the radio room? Norris was there, so he couldn't have done it, and Blair was surrounded by everyone else. This happened right after Fuchs and Copper mentioned the blood test, with Palmer around (my bad; didn't notice him), yet we don't see Palmer again until after the blood packs were sabotaged.
My belief is that the key and the whole scene is a red herring. A bit of The Thing was still alive from Splitface. It crawled into the room and used a tentacle to open the door om the blood supply. The keys were simply lost in the confusion.
The bigger the biomass of the Thing the more intelligent it is. That's why the blood in the blood-test scene could only react instinctively to the hot needle. The vast bulk of the Splitface was still frozen (they burn it along with the remains of the Bennings-Thing) so the amount of Thing-mass that attacked Bennings was not smart enough to do anything other than attack the nearest warm body. It certainly wasn't smart enough to deduce the threat of the stored blood in a blood bank (how would it even know that the blood bank existed?), much less work out a strategy for attacking the blood bank. It has to be a fully assimilated human (either the Norris-Thing or the Palmer-Thing), because either one of them would have knowledge of the existence of that blood bank, and have enough smarts to realize that it needs to be destroyed.
Love the Dr. Copper head turn and accusatory glance at 0.57.
I freaking love that part. I always crack up laughing when I watch it.
0:56
@@AAC1990 😂😂😂
Back to you, Garry!
In a previous scene you can hear Windows drop the keys and run when he find Bennings being assimilated. In the ensuing chaos, a thing must have found the lost keys and used them to destroy the blood supply. The only two who could have gotten to the blood were Palmer and Norris.
That's what I love about this movie. The subtle clues.
Wedge Antilles The Thing is a shape-shifter. Couldn't it shape a finger into the crevices of the lock and make a key?
It's not really a shapeshifter, though, not how you mean it. It absorbs and replicates DNA from different species. So when we see it changing, it's cycling through its genetic memory to find the form best suited to help it either escape from danger or absorb another lifeform. It can't just rearrange itself at will, not that we see. For example, the assimilated Palmer shows no ability of copying another one of the men's appearances. That Thing can only look like Palmer, just as the assimilated Norris looks like Norris, Blair like Blair, etc. So it can't just turn its finger into a key, unless it absorbs a species which has that ability.
Sleeper99999 Interesting point.
It was Palmer. Norris was present to see Bennings get torched, and Blair was still locked up in the shed under sedative. Count the number of people in that long shot of the group standing around Bennings' imitation while it burns. There's only 9 of them, out of 12 crew members in total. Even if Blair were assimilated at this point, there would've been too many people around the base for him to slip out unnoticed.
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D Cavalli It can’t form inorganic material. The Thing doesn’t work that way.
The fact that Garry was fully complient and aknowledged that he had the keys was most likely a good sign that he wasn't a Thing.
He also tested negative in the blood test later
@@idealized_ “TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH” 😂
@@Cyrax4d 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I read that in his voice immediately I read the comment above
If it was Among us he would have been voted out first.
Richard Dysart was awesome in this movie!
The way he looks at Garry is so perfect.
What's really beautiful about this scene is it's shot continuously without any cuts. They were going to film it in segments and edit it together but the cast convinced Carpenter they could do it like a stage play in one shot. They set up a tracking camera and a couple stationary ones and let fly. A testimony to the professionalism of everyone in that small room.
Palmer never takes off his headphones: he knows what happened. It was him.
I really like how windows ran off in fear. It was because he dropped the keys himself, he was the last person in his POV, that had the keys.
I don't think that is the case. Note that at NO TIME did Windows ever say that he had asked Gerry for the keys, and at NO TIME did Garry ever say that he had given the keys to Windows.
Indeed, Garry is as perplexed as anyone how that blood bank could be unlocked (both Garry and Copper agree that the keys are only shared between the two of them.)
I know that Bennings TOLD Windows to go ask Garry for the keys. We see that.
I know that Widows did, indeed, have the keys on him when he returned to the store room. We see that.
But we NEVER see Windows going up to Garry and ask for the keys.
We NEVER hear Windows say that Garry gave him the keys.
We NEVER hear Garry saying that, yeah, Windows was the last person he gave the keys to.
This scene is better explained if we assume that Windows just took them from Garry's office without asking, and then dropped them in shock when he came across Bennings in mid-assimilation.
It explains why Garry doesn't remember giving the keys to Windows (i.e. he never did)
Note also that while Childs accuses Garry of always having the keys on his belt that is exactly that - an accusation - it is not a proven fact and, indeed, Garry loudly and angrily objects to Childs' accusation.
I think that Windows is panicking in this scene
1) not because he was the last person to have the keys, and
2) not because he had dropped the keys, but rather
3) he was panicking because the conversation was turning to the idea that someone must have swiped the keys.
And, yeah, someone did swipe the keys: he did.
Not for the purpose of sabotaging the blood, sure, but he knew he was in a room full of angry, frightened men.
@johnreynolds7996 That's quite an interesting way of looking at things and recontextualizing the scene. It's definitely not a viewpoint I considered!
May Richard Dysart(Copper) R.I.P. Passed away 4/5/2015 at age 86. Quite the career he had.
YOU VE BEEN IN HERE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
I love how over-acted that line is, its perfect lol
Somebody got to the BLUUUUD!!!
"The Doc thought of the Test"
@@ahmarav1019 so what is that supposed to clear him
@@satireisnotdead5804the BLUUUD 😆 🤣 😂 😹
My son turns 15 years old this August and has entered that phase of being a serious movie buff. He's into Tarantino and Guy Ritchie films right now, and in a few days, we're going to pop some popcorn, dim the living room lights, and watch The Thing together, it will be his first time watching it. I'm BEYOND excited for him.
How did he like it?
@@samkirschenheiter6244 LOVED IT. He was glued to the screen the entire film.
0:12 copper sounds like Dracula.
When my step dad saw that part he said "damnit Dracula"
Soon as I'm finished I return it right away
Windows had the keys and got it from Gary. He dropped it when Bennings was being assimilated and the thing took the keys and opened the fridge.
I don't think Windows "got the keys from Garry" at all.
I know Bennings TOLD Windows to ask Garry for the keys. And I know that Windows does have the keys on him when he returned to the store room.
But Garry makes no mention of Windows asking him for the keys, and no recollection of giving the keys to Windows.
I don't think he did. I suspect that Windows simply went to Garry's (empty) office, found the keys in there, and swiped them.
It fits all the facts, it explains why Garry doesn't remember giving them to Windows (because he didn't give them to Windows) and it explains why Windows becomes increasingly agitated as the conversation goes on, and then bolts in panic from the room when Garry suggests that, yeah, I suppose someone could have stolen the keys.
Yeah, someone did: Windows.
Lol. Copper's face at 1:26
Looking back at this movie Palmer always acted sus as fuck. Of course the test scene is a great surprise when you watch it for the first time
it's obvious it was Palmer
I've been watching this movie for 40 years and I never noticed that damn nose ring EVER and also those keys do not matter at all cause it could just spit on the blood bank and destroy from the inside. Remember how it spit on the dogs.
I like how when everybody else is arguing, Norris is staying in the backround, not drawing attention to himself. Many people think Palmer was the first thing but it doesn't match with the thing wanting to hide, Palmer's explosive personality only makes him a bigger target (His personality shifts a lot after maccready comes back in with the dynamite, when he's pretty much guarenteed to be assimilated) So i think Norris is the only thing at this time, and he's the one who got to the blood.
I think it was Palmer, actually. He wasn’t present when Blair was destroying the radio room.
I agree. The radio room scene was the only known opportunity that the Thing had to sabotage the blood. Norris was accounted for; he helped by grabbing a table the group used to rush Blair. Palmer wasn't.
@@rhenvao2844 Considering assimilations happen offscreen, it could be that the blood was sabotaged during a period of time between scenes we did not see. Norris could have come in to help them subdue Blair after having already sabotaged the blood
Palmer did it.
Palmer was the imposter
Palmer: I'M NOT IMPOSTER OR THE THING AND NO I DIDN'T TOUCH THE BLOOD >:(
it was probably norris or palmer
Likely Palmer. Norris looks like he was infected (possibly through deliberate food contamination early on) and once it started to spread it quickly changed him from the inside out. There's no reason why the thing would fake having a heart attack just to kill the doctor in a room full of flame throwers.
Murchad99 I always assumed he silently infected Norris not too long after the dog thing infected him in his room
@@Murchad99 Better explanation: Norris was present to watch Bennings burn. Palmer wasn't.
As for why Norris-Thing passed out... Likely yet another casualty to the special effects lead's disregard for continuity. You got a plot hole or question pertaining to a really expensive-looking Thing scene with puppets and animatronics and stuff? Likely that's due to John Carpenter allowing his special effects guy to run wild at the expense of continuity. It's the primary reason I don't like the film: the Thing creature doesn't behave consistently between when it's hiding and when it's exposed.
@@1krani The lack of consistancy is one of the main reasons the film is terrifying. It's meant to breed paranoia from the fact that you don't know. The greatest fear of mankind is that which we can't analyse and pick apart, and when the film is so loosely consistant and when the creature, by it's very nature and design, is inconsistent, in behavior, appearance, intellect, ect, it makes it horrifying to behold.
As for why Norris passed out, it's simple: the Thing mimicks absolutely everything about someone, including the downsides. When it mimicks something, it mimicks everything perfectly unless someone pedantic and paranoid enough tests them. So it stands to reason that Norris had a heart problem that the Thing had to replicate because it's in it's nature. It's an animal, a virus, and viruses spread.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355
Inconsistency and illogic aren't the same thing. If a creature behaves illogically, then it needs to do so all the time.
If a Catachan barking toad DIDN'T irrationally blow itself up at the slightest provocation, 40K fans would call it bad writing. Yes, the toad blowing up in self-defense makes no logical sense, but it's consistent with how the barking toad is established in canon.
Plus, The Thing's inconsistency only ever plays to the heroes' favor, what with Palmer-Thing NOT killing Windows and going for MacReady while his flamethrower is still malfunctioning, or Blair-Thing abandoning stealth when it finally comes time to kill MacReady. I don't see how I'm supposed to find that scarier than consistent, intelligent menace.
I'll put my two cents into the hat about who I think sabotaged the blood. I believe it was Palmer, and here are my reasons:
1.) The keys. We know Windows last had them and he dropped them upon seeing the Thing in the middle of assimilating Bennings. That would explain how the Thing acquired them to access the blood storage. Palmer is notably absent during the scene where Blair trashes the radio room. Norris helps by grabbing a table that they use to rush Blair, so he clearly doesn't have the time or opportunity to get to the blood.
2.) After the confrontation over the blood, Palmer acts unusually hostile and distrusting of Windows. He questions where Windows was and outright refuses to go with him anywhere alone. Palmer picked up on the fact that Windows was responsible for dropping the keys and was taking advantage of that to make him look more suspicious.
3.) It's an easy-to-miss detail but one that sells the idea that Palmer did the deed: he has his earpieces in for the whole scene. Understand that this scene could have had multiple takes, maybe even took a day or two to complete, so between takes, he would have been instructed to keep them in for continuity or the actor was just committed to this and no one on the crew said anything. Given how deliberate many of the smaller clues are, however, I don't think this was an accident. Look at it like this: Bennings just died, they've found someone sabotaged the blood so there's an imitation among them... and Palmer is listening to music like he doesn't care to know what's going on. The way this can be read is that Palmer is remaining under the radar and letting everyone else turn on each other out of paranoia.
4.) The sabotaged blood is brought up right before Palmer is exposed as an imitation during the blood test scene. Mac opts to do Garry last and tests Palmer; he fails. This might as well have been the film's way of saying who the real culprit was.
So, there are my reasons. Palmer's absence during Blair's freak out, his hostility towards Windows while suspicion on him was hot, his complete lack of involvement in the blood storage argument, and his exposure right as it was referenced allows me to say with confidence that he was the one who sabotaged the blood.
Notice how Palmer isn't present when Bennings-Thing is burned.
Palmer was there. He was the black figure on Garry's right side at the bottom of the screen. Only Blair and Clark were absent from Bennings's burning. Re-watch the scene, look at the bottom of the screen toward the left. Palmer is next to Garry!!!
@@tedflanc1024 Indeed. Notice, too, that when Garry asks "Where's Blair?", everyone, including Palmer, looks to one another in confusion. The ONLY person who doesn't take his eyes off the burning Bennings Thing is Norris. He keeps his eyes fixed to it in anger.
Windows Dropped the Keys when he saw Bennings being Assimilated. Whoever picked them up afterward is a mystery.
well somebody else sure as hell thought so
😂
Where's Clark?? Lol 😆
Right here
Windows is there like "I made a Boo boo"
It's unclear when Palmer and Norris assimilated, but it's possible that one of them picked up the keys after Windows dropped them, destroyed the blood supply, and returned the keys somehow. With this in mind, most fans have pointed their fingers at Palmer, accusing him of the sabota
Is the doc wearing a nose ring?
Yeah
Pretty rad if you ask me.
😂
movie should have been a box office hit but all u sell outs went and saw ET when this came out
+kevan garner And it's all because of the positive and negative look of extraterrestrial life. ET was positive, The Thing was negative.
E.T. was overrated.
childs: garry sus
_shouting_
clark: you're accusing everybody!
garry: dr. connor's the only one that's got any business with the key!
d. connor: now wait a minute, harry, you've been in med bay the whole game!
Palmer and Norris sus
Norris: Palmer safe. He scanned
@@travoedoi Palmer: thank you Norris
*Windows runs away*
Someone: Windows!
and Norris just wasn't feeling it till after
0:43
Norris
What if Blair did it before being stopped by everyone in the Radio Room?
I mean, even if he was checking his computer for informations about the Thing, it could mean that he already was infected and searched for answers about what the human being already knows about the "assimilation". Then when Windows dropped the keys, possibly Blair took the keys and went to the blood samples.
After Bennings-Thing being burned Blair destroyed the helicopter.
1:11 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 Child's called BULLSHIT 😆
Note also that Childs' angry outburst elicits an equally-strong response from Garry i.e. it derails the entire conversation.
Had Childs not been, well, Childish then that conversation would have proceeded along the lines of - someone must have lifted the keys without Garry knowing about it.
Who could that be?
Who could that be?
Who could that be?
Windows [raising a hand]: Umm, it was me. Bennings asked for the keys, and I took them without asking Garry.
But, noooooo, Childs has to be Childs, and so the room erupts in anger and Windows' bolts out of the room in a panic.
Palmer did it
Yep 💯
The thing that puzzles me is.......why test the whole blood in storage? Surely this would all be clean and uncontaminated? The only contaminated blood would be in the living units. (people).
That's the point.
Mix suspect blood with uncontaminated blood, and if the source was a Thing, there would be a reaction.
1:12
Wait, how would testing that blood help them find the "Thing" when that blood was extracted before the alien even got transported to their base? It would just be human blood, I never understand that. It'd make more sense if they originally thought of testing their current blood, can someone explain?
Gas Mask Metabasis they were going to compare the stored samples with fresh samples and see whos blood is different
I thought they were going to mix-up the serum and wait for reaction
The Thing assimulates so its blood would react when exposed to healthy non assimulated cells. The infected blood that began to assimulate the regular blood belongs to The Thing.
The blood in the bags were "untainted" by Thing cells, so if you take (say) MacReady's stored blood and mixed it with a fresh blood sample then.... nothing would happen. It's just MacReady-blood being mixed with some more MacReady-blood.
But if you took a blood sample from the Palmer-Thing and mixed it with the stored blood from Palmer's blood bag then they won't be the same, and so the mixed-blood would coagulate.
I’ve seen this movie a million times and I only just now noticed that ridiculous nose ring Copper is wearing lol
I think it looks kinda cool on him
Looks like someone opened it, closed it, then re locked it. Who's in there?
And then returned the keys to Garry, because Garry has the keys on him when Blair went coo-coo-crazy.
Yet Garry doesn't recall lending the key to Windows nor does he recollect that someone else returned the keys to him.
To my mind the only explanation for that is that Windows DIDN'T ask Garry for the keys (despite Bennings telling him to ask Garry for them), he simply wandered into Garry's office and took them off the desk.
Then he dropped them in the store room, a Thing picked them up and sabotaged the blood, then simply dropped them back on Garry's desk.
As far as Garry is concerned he would have no knowledge that Windows ever took the keys, or that anyone else returned them: all he would know is that they were on his desk when he left his office, and was still there when he returned.
That explains why Garry was perplexed about how the blood bank was opened, and it also explains why Windows became increasingly alarmed during the conversation and finally fled in panic when it was suggested that someone must have "lifted the keys" from Garry without his knowledge.
Someone did: Windows.
Wendell had the right idea but it was too late
Besides swiping the keys, couldn't the thing just morph its hand into the lock to open it?
Idk if we're going from the prequel I don't think the Thing can replicate inorganic objects such as a key. Besides that, the thing's strategy was twofold in this case, it wanted to destroy ways of being found out in the short term and plant the seed of distrust in the long, which wouldn't be as fun if it just morphed the hand into the key. And unless the thing just picked up the keys for no reason then it would be discovered by the others since they would find the keys when searching for any remaining parts of Bennings.
it was Blair; Blair was sneaking back into the camp and stealing parts to build the spaceship at the end of the movie. the thing was burrowing beneath the camp, that's how Blair went undetected.
Except he would've had to somehow know about the keys being dropped in the first place AND come up above ground without being detected.
More likely it was Palmer. If you look at the shot where everyone's standing around Bennings' imitation while it burns, there's only 9 of them. With Blair locked up and Norris being accounted for in a previous close-up shot, the only unexplained absence is Palmer.
Blair wasn't incarcerated until after Bennings died, he and Clark were the only two not at there when MacReady killed Bennings-thing. He could have lifted the keys when Windows dropped them.
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Actually, wait: where was Palmer in that scene where Blair went coocoo for Cocoa Puffs in the radio room? Norris was there, so he couldn't have done it, and Blair was surrounded by everyone else. This happened right after Fuchs and Copper mentioned the blood test, with Palmer around (my bad; didn't notice him), yet we don't see Palmer again until after the blood packs were sabotaged.
The Thing didn't need any key.
It could have just used a tentacle to sabotage it.
It would have taken a lot more time and been more messy though.
My belief is that the key and the whole scene is a red herring. A bit of The Thing was still alive from Splitface. It crawled into the room and used a tentacle to open the door om the blood supply. The keys were simply lost in the confusion.
The bigger the biomass of the Thing the more intelligent it is. That's why the blood in the blood-test scene could only react instinctively to the hot needle.
The vast bulk of the Splitface was still frozen (they burn it along with the remains of the Bennings-Thing) so the amount of Thing-mass that attacked Bennings was not smart enough to do anything other than attack the nearest warm body.
It certainly wasn't smart enough to deduce the threat of the stored blood in a blood bank (how would it even know that the blood bank existed?), much less work out a strategy for attacking the blood bank.
It has to be a fully assimilated human (either the Norris-Thing or the Palmer-Thing), because either one of them would have knowledge of the existence of that blood bank, and have enough smarts to realize that it needs to be destroyed.
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or it coul have just been the thing before it got to someone
Among us, the thing.
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