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''Extended Spell. When you cast a spell that has a duration of 1 minute or longer, you can spend 1 sorcery point to double its duration, to a maximum duration of 24 hours." this is how you deal ultimate fireball
Just take an extra two levels in Zeal Domain Cleric from Plane Shift: Amonkhet, which is the only cleric domain that lets you MAXIMIZE FIRE AND THUNDER DAMAGE with Channel Divinity.
Alternatively, specialize in lightning damage with elemental adept and your race, take a few levels in tempest cleric, transmute the spell with meta magic to lightning damage, and deal max damage with your channel divinity
@@AliceIsSleepy, The choice is between dealing double damage to one creature or nearly double damage to everyone in the AOE. Imagine if you had two clerics...
@@ashadder795 fair, though there are still less total immunity’s and nothing heals from thunder damage, which is more than can be said for lightning damage.
It would still be 69, even if you rolled a 2 for the last die. Elemental Adept lets you treat rolled 1s as 2s for the element of your type, so that means you’d have to roll a 3 on the last one to deal 70.
@@KevinVideo That would be a kamikaze action, since you place the glowing bead on turn 1 at the destination, where it remains pulsating until it's activated. Alternatively, you could place it out of sight and have somebody chuck it on round 20, but unless the creature touching it makes a Dex saving throw against a minimum of 18 (8 + 5 for proficiency, +5 for Charisma), it goes off then and there.
@@snickerdoodleplus3383 That depends on whether or not the DM allows you to treat it as an object. Worst case, he rules that the impulse from the spell triggers the bead before it flies off.
**Rules and Nat 1 and kills everyone at the party** Player: "How, he got a Nat One?!?!" DM: "yeah, and it still did 69 damage " **Everyone begrudgingly sighs** Everyone: "... NICE."
you could improve on that damage by being a tiefling dragonblooded sorcerer with the Flames of Phlegethos feat which would allow you to reroll any damage die rolls of a 1, which then with the elemental adept feat would be changed into a 2 instead :p
I think this combo is also supposed to take into account creatures that have resistance. Even if you did more damage on average with the tiefling feat, the creature would still resist half damage. You could still take the Elemental Adept feat, but you'd have to either sacrifice another +2 to Cha or wait until you're 16th level.
That's exactly what I thought. I can easily sacrifice the +5 mod for the race and the 2 feats. +4 is enough. And you can Empower the spell too if you need more rerolls.
Isn't Flames of Phlegethos a half-feat with intelligence or charisma? You should be able to pick up both feats and reach 20 charisma by level 13 without any issue.
The problem is that on average, the damage gain is not that great when stacked as opposed to each one individually. Rerolls on their own help a lot with individual d6s, changing the average from 3.5 to 3.92. Turning 1s to 2s makes the average jump to 3.67, but together, the change only goes to 3.94 (a result of diminishing returns). For reference, let's look at Fireball with each of these averages. - No die mods: average of 28 save for 1/2. - EA: Negate resists, average of 29.36 save for 1/2. - FoP: Average of 31.36 save for 1/2 - FoP & EA: Negate resists, average of 31.52 save for 1/2.
Alternatively, you could also be a level 14 Evocation Wizard, take Elemental Adept: Fire to overcome resistances, then put as many points as possible into Int and Con, and if you have room, grab the Tough feat. Then, you can use Overchannel to toss out fireballs that do maximum damage to your enemies everytime (up to 53 damage for a 3rd level slot, 65 for a 5th level slot with your Empowered Evocation bonus with maxed Int), while also never needing to worry about friendly fire thanks to Sculpt Spells. A higher Con score helps with this so that you have a bigger pool of hitpoints to soak the damage from Overchannel.
The strongest Fireball is not a Fire Ball. Take two levels on Tempest Cleric and 11 levels in Blue Draconic Sorcerer and upcast Fireball to 7th level (the same level Delayed Fireball is). Use the Transmuted Spell to turn it into Lightning damage and activate your channel divinity. Now you deal 85 damage and didn’t have to wait 2 minutes
tempest cleric channel divinity is one of my favourite abilities in the whole game. had one with a wand of lightning bolts and 2 levels of fighter -> in one turn could do 120 damage to each creature hit lmfao. of course at that point you've blown your load but can still fuck shit up
@@TheJerbol Tempest Cleric can already let you reach insane numbers, so you might as well make a Nova build. Crazy idea, but what if you instead multiclassed 3 levels into Thief Rogue and got to use the wand as a bonus action?
Or you can be a 2lvl tempest cleric and the rest a sorcerer, change the fireball damage to thunder as almost no monster has resistance, maximize the damage through Destructive Wrath and deal 132 thunder damage with fully charged delayed fireball or 72 thunder damage with normal fireball upcast to 7th level.
I was just thinking that. You could cast it when you see a patrol nearby that you want to take out. Place it in their path and then get someone to distract them as they're standing within range of the blast (while the "bait" person is outside of the blast. Keep the patrol talking until the 2 minutes is up, and BOOM... one less patrol to deal with.
You can actually use it in combat against one enemy in particular if you cage him in force cage and then wait for an hour, your guys can have a short rest, and then 2 minutes prior you start your shit and wreak havoc on the poor guy. It's even more savage if you have an eloquence bard that can impose penalty to saving throw of the caught enemy.
@@StrifeTheHorseman Better yet, if you have another caster with Force Wall (or Forcecage, like you suggested) in their spell list, just create a dome of force around a bunch of enemies while they're next to the delayed fireball. Contain the explosion as well as the bodies!
For added flavour: be a Chromatic Red Dragonborn and use your Chromatic Warding to be inmune to your own and all fire damage for 1 minute and then detonate the DBF
Or, take 2 levels in tempest cleric and 13 in order of scribes wizard. Do the delayed fireball for full duration as well but use your scribe ability to change the damage to thunder and your channel divinity to max out the damage. That's a confirmed 96 damage, or 192 if they fail the save. You basically turned your fireball into a divine claymore. Enjoy!
Also fun fact, if you take 6 levels of celestial pact warlock as well you can pump that up even higher, as a sage advice confirmed that the Draconic Bloodline's feature to add Cha to fire damage stacks with the Celestial pact warlock's to add Cha to fire damage
Addition to the concept: be a Tiefling and pick up the Flames of Pthlegos Feat as well. It does a few things, but the most relevant thing it does is allow you to reroll any 1s or 2s rolled on damage dice for fire spells, though you must use the reroll. It also combo's nicely with Elemental Adept, which on top of ignoring resistance to fire, also allows you to treat 1s on damage for the chosen element as 2s
I have an idea for a level 1 combo Be a level one cleric with the spells Bless and Sanctuary. Somehow obtain a staff of the python, and then right before combat, summon your Giant constrictor snake, cast bless on the python and two of your party members, then cast sanctuary on the python, and watch it destroy CR 1 monsters. BONUS: Have your level one wizard friend cast mage armor to give your python an ac of 15.
To add even a little more oomph to it, be a tiefling and take the Flames of Phlegethos feat. This lets you reroll any 1s you may have rolled. You've skewed the damage a little higher, and the elemental adept is still keeping any 1s from being 1s. As an added bonus, you get a nice little flame shield.
You could do that while also taking 2 levels of fighter for action surge, and release concentration at the same time as you cast your first regular fireball, and the action surge for the second.
Have a friendly cleric or divine soul sorcerer (in that one all-sorcerer party) cast hallow ahead of time to create Energy Vulnerability to Fire Damage. Then you really do the numbers
add 2 levels in fighter on the last round of concentration follow these steps action: 5th level fireball = 10d6+5 action surge: another 5th level fireball 10d6+5 bonus action: quickened spell 6th level fireball 11d6+5 drop concentration on 7th level delayed blast fireball = 32d6+5 a total of 66d6+20 an absolute minimum damage of 152 damage (if rolling all 1's) an absolute maximum damage of 416 damage (if rolling all 6's)
that's a lot of fire! (raw, you can't do the quickened spell though, since casting spells as a bonus action prevents you from casting anything but a cantrip with your action that turn)
Well what if you are chronorgy wizard with as a Hadozee (UA ape race with the use an object action as a bonus action) as your race 2 lvls of fighter. That would be 10d6 action + 11d6 action surge + bonus action arcane abeyance 4th lvl fireball (or use a scroll with a higher cast fireball ?) 9d6 + drop concentration on delayed blast fireball 32d6. This should not break the rules but certainly hurt whatever unlucky fool stumbled into the area.
With Pyromancy Sorcerer subclass you could bypass the Elemental Adept feat if you want to because the subclass has a built-in ignore resistance(you do loose out on damage a little since 1s aren't treated at 2s) but if you get up to level 18 you can turn immunity to fire to resistance to fire which means you could smack everything with fire. Was thinking about trying a Dragonborn Paladin/Sorcerer with Pyromancy the guy was going to love fire. Was hoping to be either an Amethyst or Emerald Dragonborn to have resistance to Force or Psychic since Pyromancy gives you Fire resistance, which actually doesn't help with resisting your own spells.
@@Klausbro alternatively, if you take that route, hide somewhere while the rest of the party fight for a little bit as youre basicly charging a marble sized nuke in the palm of your hands...
@@crustybomb115 If you have time beforehand you can use extend spell to increase the duration for up to 24 hours, you can nuke almost anything even with spell and legendary resistances with a min roll, so long as you can trick it into the range
While not intended game design according to Jeremy Crawford, RAW appears to allow stacking Extended Spell. (RAW states, "You can use only one Metamagic option on a spell when you cast it, unless otherwise noted." Stacking Extended Spell uses only one option, just multiple times.) If this reading of the rules is accepted at your table, you can extend Delayed Blast Fireball to up to 24 hours, easily causing thousands of damage.
I have the potential to do a 5 fireball spell combo in one round with my 10th lvl 3.5e Dwarf Wizard. So here's the rundown. I have the Feats: Quickdraw, Twinspell (Complete Arcane), and Residual Magic (Complete Mage) Items I need: Metamagic Rod of Quickenspell(Major), and a 5th lvl Wand of Fireball. First I Twinspell my Fireball making it a 7th lvl spellslot, while using my Rod of Quickenspell. I then am able to cast another Fireball which still has the Twinspell effect on it due Residual Magic feat. Finally I'm able to Quickdraw my Wand to cast another Fireball however due to the secondary effects of the Residual Magic feat, the Wand releases a Fireball of 10d6 dmg instead of the usual 5d6 dmg. So after both casted spells and a use of a wand I'm able to do 50d6 of Fireball damage. Which is pretty nuts for me. Also yeah I know there's RAW in the various books for use of Quickdraw/Quickenspell. However for the current campaign I'm playing it they're more RAI.
You can do max damage on all rolls with Channel Divinity: Consuming Fervor from 2 levels of Zheal cleric from plane shift. Or if not allowed 2 levels of Tempest cleric and transmute spell metamagic from fire to thunder/lightning.
I had a warforged evocation wizard who would run into the middle of combat while invisible and cast fireball centered on himself and sculpted as needed. His name was Flashbang
This would be such a cool combat scenario. Maybe you have an NPC doing this, but they treat concentration for it as more of channeling, so you need to protect them for the full duration as more enemies appear periodically. Maybe killing all the enemies quickly allows you to skip some turns while waiting for more to appear, making things a bit faster.
you forgot one thing!!! The new tattoo's from tasha's have a specific tattoo called absorbing tattoo's if you take the fire one the damage you deal in fire damage you heal half of it so you not only ignoring resistance but also healing yourself with at least 34 points can be used once a day
I just picture a red dragon born walking into a bank and holding it up with a dbdb grenade in their hand. 2 minutes later, it explodes, leaving the immune to fire dragon born and nothing else
It's actually possible to spend enough sorcery points on Delayed Blast Fireball to extend it to a maximum of 24hrs, at which point it does tens of thousands of damage.
Keep in mind that you can use extended spell multiple tines until the duration is 24 hours, if you can set it as a trap you can nuke even a tarrasque with min rolls.
Be a storm sorcerer , gain access to fire ball and transmuted spell. Change spell damage to Lightning, take a multiclass in tempest domain cleric Channel divinity will allow you to deal max damage to Lightning damage.
You could use minor illusion to create a fake box and use subtle spell to cast your delayed fireball in the illusory box. Now you just have to use your 20 charisma to convince the target to stand close to it. A sneak attack so deadly all the rogues in the universe get jealous.
While it doesn't quite answer your question, out of curiosity I tried to see if a character could learn all the cantrips a while back. Before the last few books that added cantrips, I managed a level 20 character that knew almost all of them. I think just 2 or 3 where missing because of class limits.
If you multiclass to blood hunter and get the ability that removes the resistance for the damage dealt as a reaction and empower it to effect immunity by reducing it to resistance, (because of elemental adept the resistance diesnt apply and full damage is dealt) you can use this againts any fire immune creature like an ancient red dragon or a fire elemental
Level 2 fighter Level 6 cleric Tempest Domain Level 12 sorcerer with transmuted spells and quickened spells Spells: Hallow Fireball I think this gives a run for its money Cast hallow to make them vulnerable to lightning. Transmute fireball into a lightning spell. Use the lightning cleric ability for max damage with lightning damage. Use action surge and repeat from the transmutation part.
I once created a 2nd edition spell... Base spell is Fireball, then magic missile those with an added chain lighting on each of those 5 fireballs and enjoy the bonfire (not a low level spell ;) )
Lightening ball combo. Blue dragon Sorcerer and storm tempest cleric. Use transmute spell on fireball to change to lightening damage, activate channel divinity to always do max damage from lightening spells. Twin cast with lightening bolt for more damage.
I think that the main reason I have never seen or used Delayed Blast Fireball is that the gem it creates can be removed and even thrown back. In this case, it's pretty much hot potato with a grenade that gets more dangerous over time.
2 minutes in a dnd battle is like 10 episodes of DBZ. "OK guys I need you to hold em off for 2 minutes while I channel this energy."*Raises hands to the sky* Meanwhile the enemy is oblivious to the slowly growing ball of light that is as bright as the sun.
Be a tiefling and get the feat: Flame of Phlegethos. Now when you roll fire damage you Reroll all 1s AND with Elemental Adept each 1 counts as a 2. Also, if you cast Delayed Fireball at 9th level and extended spell to it's max of 24 hours. Then, wherever you put that bead. If you managed to keep concentration until the last second with both those feats and maxed Charisma. That blast will deal 14414d6+5 (5,688.22 on average, half on a successful dex save) fire damage, which, if it wasn't immune, would kill the Tarasque 42 times. Unfortunately, while you could transmute the fire damage into thunder damage (to damage the Tarasque), it wouldn't benefit from your feats or your draconic sorcery, and you can't Extend a spell you've Transmuted... Metamagic rules.
I mean I think you forgot the part where you get the red dragon mask (mask of the dragon queen I believe) cast the delayed fireball in you mouth then hold your breath weapon for when it blast goes off to. Heal off the damage, and just look utterly terrifying
Here's one for you. I call it *"Ionic Annihilation"* Take 11 levels in Order of Scribes Wizard, and get the spells Chain Lightning and Disintegrate. Then take 2 levels in Tempest Cleric for the Channel Divinity: Destructive Wrath. When you cast Disintegrate, use your Awakened Spellbook to change the damage type from Force to Lightning. Then use your Channel Divinity: Destructive Wrath to maximize the damage of Disintegrate, for a flat 100 Lightning damage.
The only problem is that a lot more creatures resist or are immune to lightning damage than there are those who are immune to force damage... so while you may be doing more overall damage, you run the risk of them negating half or all the damage. Plus, because it's Disintegrate, if they succeed their DEX save, they take 0 damage (it's not a "save for half" kinda spell)
@@BYERE A few things. Firstly, while there are plenty of creatures that have resistance to Lightning damage, it's no where near as common as Fire or Poison. If you're facing a creature with Lightning resistance then just don't change the damage type or attempt this combo. Also, I'm well aware that Disintegrate is a "save or suck" spell, but that's regardless of this combo anyway. You also trigger Channel Divinity when you deal the damage, so you don't have to worry about wasting it. Hell, just being able to maximize the damage of Chain Lightning is great. If you're in a situation where you want to use Disintegrate, and you know the creature isn't immune or resistant to Lightning damage, then use this combo. If not, then don't. If you're able to cast Hold Person or Hold Monster, or you have a Monk in the party that manages to Stunning Strike the enemy, then that's even better, because paralyzed creatures automatically fail Dex Saves. Ultimately the downsides you've mentioned equate to the inherent risks associated with Disintegrate, and the possibility that a creature you're facing might be resistant. If you're smart then of course you should obviously test for that beforehand, and/or take the Elemental Adept feat.
Better idea: make an npc ready to destroy a big bad guy or a horde of little bad guys by doing this. The party members have to take on waves of enemies that get progressively larger by the round Two minutes is a super long time in combat so it’s really up to you how long these waves are stretched out, but should never be longer than a few seconds, could be used to give your Pc’s some prep time for the next wave, or to down consumable items.
wouldnt be better a 14 level evocation wizard with the elemental adept (fire) and the metamagic adept (extended spell and other one) feat? you get the same but now instead of adding your CHA mod you get maxium damage posible
@@luckytrap897 altough you could still take 2 levels into thunder domain cleric and change the damage type to thunder with transmuted spell to get maxium damage
You can get way more damage with 13 levels of Scribes Wizard, Prismatic Spray prepared, 2 levels of Tempest Cleric and 6 levels of Draconic Sorcerer (lightning dragon) and maxed out Charisma. Focus on lightning, have a Warlock/Artificer in the party with Elemental Bane on a creature, and grab Metamagic Adept for Extended Spell instead of Elemental Adept. Cast at 9th level, the target affected by Elemental Bane and Elemental Affinity (from Draconic Sorcerer) takes 221 damage, while everyone else takes 209. Enjoy!
I can just see every character frozen staring at this guy going all Goku-mode charging for 2 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂😂 EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
You know it just occurs to me what this would look like without any editing or special effects and just picturing him standing in his room pointing at the ceiling has me snorting with laughter.
Love the idea and was curious of furthering it into becoming a "fire god" but wanted to check. So, riddle me this, say you do everything you said here BUT instead cast the fully concentrated delayed fireball spell into a glyph of warding (say on a rock that you just found and have been filling your pockets with for a long time) and then set the activation to be contact with an enemy or maybe a spoken word (see where I'm going here?). Then have a stash of these rocks with the glyph on them then proceed to throw them in battle and use the activation effect to then discharge countless fully powered delayed fireballs (with all the additions you mentioned). The only catch I currently see is the note in the PHB on glyph of warding that says, "If the surface or object is moved more than 10 feet from where you cast this spell, the glyph is broken. and the spell ends without being triggered", but would that mean the 10 feet from where the spell was cast, as in you stand here and ten feet is here thus no effect outside here, or since you cast it on the rock and the rock comes with you the object that the glyph was cast on has not moved ten feet because the glyph is on the object being moved? I can see holes in this, but a friend wanted to start a new campaign and I love your tips and really wanted to try to make him just go WTF. Thanks, and keep up the good work
Another benefit is that Elemental Adept (fire) ignores fire resistance. So unless the target(s) are immune, the best they can hope for is half damage on a successful Dexterity saving throw.
If you are a Cleric of the zelo (actualy i dont Remember the inglish word, translate It from italian) you can maximize a fire damage like the storm Cleric
there is a way to make a far worse nuke, though you need quite a few wizards or sorcerers with the enlarge spell, simple cast the delayed fireball(or the regular one) and cast enlarge on it as many times as possible(using the quicken spell feat does wonders) and make sure you use the maximize spell feat and extended spell feat to maximize the damage dice, other feats and possibly a race or class to increase the fire damage is even better, and the enlarge spell will increase the size of the blast range and the damage, from how i have always played it and seen it played, just like with weapons, the bigger the spell, the bigger the damage. most i ever saw the spell reach was 40d20, X if he had crit(he had a feat to increase critical range on spells)
Better yet ... how about be Cleric 8/Sorc 5. Take transmuted spell and cast Hallow on your home. Now anyone who you don't like who comes in has to make a Cha save or be vulnerable to your favorite damage type (lightning). Cast fireball at 7th level for 72 damage if they saved from the Hallow because you're a tempest cleric. If they fail the save they take 144.
Ultimate fireball. Be Veccna dnd 3.5. Cast empowered and maximized time stop and cast empowered maximized delayed fireball 15 times accross the crowded stadium
Hear me out, 2 ways to make this great and optimal. #1 Galders Speedy Courier. With delayed blast fireball in it. (In a bag of holding if your DM doesnt like rule of cool) #2 if you take 3 levels of assassin rogue and get a surprise attack with the spell. Your fireball can technically crit. Dealing a massive amount more damage #3 combine 1 & 2
@@lordzaboem assassin doesnt state it needs an attack roll. It just says a surprise attack is a crit. Ultimately it would be at DMs discretion. Because a fireball can be considered an attack and if the fireball is a surprise attack, even though it's not an attack roll it's still a surprise attack. At least that's the way I view the interaction
Dumb spam is having a magic user with the cantrip shift wall. They can make the hard dungeon you worked days on into a single goblin guard and all the treasures from the entire dungeon
Instead of extending it (because a lot of enemies aren't going to stand around while the Sorcerer charges up a bomb), use Careful Spell and let your rogue or monk pick up the bead and throw it at the enemy 😆
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It's not about playing optimally, it's about *sending* *a* *message*
would that message happen to be "Giggidy" ?
@@Glitch_Online no thats the bards messadge…
''Extended Spell. When you cast a spell that has a duration of 1 minute or longer, you can spend 1 sorcery point to double its duration, to a maximum duration of 24 hours."
this is how you deal ultimate fireball
Just take an extra two levels in Zeal Domain Cleric from Plane Shift: Amonkhet, which is the only cleric domain that lets you MAXIMIZE FIRE AND THUNDER DAMAGE with Channel Divinity.
But why gold draconic sorcerer?
Alternatively, specialize in lightning damage with elemental adept and your race, take a few levels in tempest cleric, transmute the spell with meta magic to lightning damage, and deal max damage with your channel divinity
Or alternatively, grave cleric to deal double damage
@@AliceIsSleepy, The choice is between dealing double damage to one creature or nearly double damage to everyone in the AOE. Imagine if you had two clerics...
I’d suggest thunder, since less things are resistant or immune to it.
@@williamwontiam3166 Elemental adept allows the caster to ignore resistances. Just in case you didn’t know
@@ashadder795 fair, though there are still less total immunity’s and nothing heals from thunder damage, which is more than can be said for lightning damage.
DM: "No, no, no, I saw that last roll. It was a 2! That's 70 damage."
It would still be 69, even if you rolled a 2 for the last die. Elemental Adept lets you treat rolled 1s as 2s for the element of your type, so that means you’d have to roll a 3 on the last one to deal 70.
@@Hadaron but not the other way around.
@@hologaster what he's saying is that with all 1's being counted as 2 for elemental adept, rolling a 2 has no increase in value.
@@marunalister5597 ok then.
Imagine
So you’re telling me I have to concentrate on this for basically an entire combat session
Or, if you know combat is coming, concentrate and unleash it during the surprise round.
@@KevinVideo That would be a kamikaze action, since you place the glowing bead on turn 1 at the destination, where it remains pulsating until it's activated. Alternatively, you could place it out of sight and have somebody chuck it on round 20, but unless the creature touching it makes a Dex saving throw against a minimum of 18 (8 + 5 for proficiency, +5 for Charisma), it goes off then and there.
@@Smilley85 Perfect situation for the Catapult spell
more like 3 sessions lol, only the biggest go past 10 rounds
@@snickerdoodleplus3383 That depends on whether or not the DM allows you to treat it as an object. Worst case, he rules that the impulse from the spell triggers the bead before it flies off.
Now thats a lot of Nice Damage.
Yes, 33d6.
**Rules and Nat 1 and kills everyone at the party**
Player: "How, he got a Nat One?!?!"
DM: "yeah, and it still did 69 damage "
**Everyone begrudgingly sighs**
Everyone: "... NICE."
great now i just need a campaign to go on long enough for this to actually work.
Waiting for it too :(
you could improve on that damage by being a tiefling dragonblooded sorcerer with the Flames of Phlegethos feat which would allow you to reroll any damage die rolls of a 1, which then with the elemental adept feat would be changed into a 2 instead :p
I think this combo is also supposed to take into account creatures that have resistance. Even if you did more damage on average with the tiefling feat, the creature would still resist half damage. You could still take the Elemental Adept feat, but you'd have to either sacrifice another +2 to Cha or wait until you're 16th level.
That's exactly what I thought. I can easily sacrifice the +5 mod for the race and the 2 feats. +4 is enough.
And you can Empower the spell too if you need more rerolls.
Isn't Flames of Phlegethos a half-feat with intelligence or charisma? You should be able to pick up both feats and reach 20 charisma by level 13 without any issue.
@@hibbyjibby492 It is.
The problem is that on average, the damage gain is not that great when stacked as opposed to each one individually. Rerolls on their own help a lot with individual d6s, changing the average from 3.5 to 3.92. Turning 1s to 2s makes the average jump to 3.67, but together, the change only goes to 3.94 (a result of diminishing returns).
For reference, let's look at Fireball with each of these averages.
- No die mods: average of 28 save for 1/2.
- EA: Negate resists, average of 29.36 save for 1/2.
- FoP: Average of 31.36 save for 1/2
- FoP & EA: Negate resists, average of 31.52 save for 1/2.
Mmmmmmm 2 level in tempest cleric, change the damage type for lighting and cause of cleric all damage is maxed so yeah boom
Zeal cleric*
So, it's the spirit bomb haha
But Spicier
Alternatively, you could also be a level 14 Evocation Wizard, take Elemental Adept: Fire to overcome resistances, then put as many points as possible into Int and Con, and if you have room, grab the Tough feat. Then, you can use Overchannel to toss out fireballs that do maximum damage to your enemies everytime (up to 53 damage for a 3rd level slot, 65 for a 5th level slot with your Empowered Evocation bonus with maxed Int), while also never needing to worry about friendly fire thanks to Sculpt Spells. A higher Con score helps with this so that you have a bigger pool of hitpoints to soak the damage from Overchannel.
The strongest Fireball is not a Fire Ball. Take two levels on Tempest Cleric and 11 levels in Blue Draconic Sorcerer and upcast Fireball to 7th level (the same level Delayed Fireball is). Use the Transmuted Spell to turn it into Lightning damage and activate your channel divinity. Now you deal 85 damage and didn’t have to wait 2 minutes
tempest cleric channel divinity is one of my favourite abilities in the whole game. had one with a wand of lightning bolts and 2 levels of fighter -> in one turn could do 120 damage to each creature hit lmfao. of course at that point you've blown your load but can still fuck shit up
@@TheJerbol Tempest Cleric can already let you reach insane numbers, so you might as well make a Nova build. Crazy idea, but what if you instead multiclassed 3 levels into Thief Rogue and got to use the wand as a bonus action?
Holy Molly, now that’s a lot of damage.
Or you can be a 2lvl tempest cleric and the rest a sorcerer, change the fireball damage to thunder as almost no monster has resistance, maximize the damage through Destructive Wrath and deal 132 thunder damage with fully charged delayed fireball or 72 thunder damage with normal fireball upcast to 7th level.
My god... it's legal!
@@starslayer8390 sadly, yes. I have this player in my campaign.
69! Nice! lol Sounds good for something out of combat. Take out a whole squad - Hector
the sad thing is that you can only hold it for 2 min
I was just thinking that.
You could cast it when you see a patrol nearby that you want to take out. Place it in their path and then get someone to distract them as they're standing within range of the blast (while the "bait" person is outside of the blast. Keep the patrol talking until the 2 minutes is up, and BOOM... one less patrol to deal with.
You can actually use it in combat against one enemy in particular if you cage him in force cage and then wait for an hour, your guys can have a short rest, and then 2 minutes prior you start your shit and wreak havoc on the poor guy. It's even more savage if you have an eloquence bard that can impose penalty to saving throw of the caught enemy.
@@StrifeTheHorseman Better yet, if you have another caster with Force Wall (or Forcecage, like you suggested) in their spell list, just create a dome of force around a bunch of enemies while they're next to the delayed fireball.
Contain the explosion as well as the bodies!
@@BYERE you can't cast a spell inside force cage. It should be outside of it. And force cage is not big enough to trap multiple enemies.
For added flavour: be a Chromatic Red Dragonborn and use your Chromatic Warding to be inmune to your own and all fire damage for 1 minute and then detonate the DBF
Or, take 2 levels in tempest cleric and 13 in order of scribes wizard. Do the delayed fireball for full duration as well but use your scribe ability to change the damage to thunder and your channel divinity to max out the damage. That's a confirmed 96 damage, or 192 if they fail the save. You basically turned your fireball into a divine claymore. Enjoy!
You could probably also take metamagic adept, and use extended spell to double the duration
As a wise DM once said
“FOR FIREBALLLLLLLL!!!”
A light of enjoyment in an otherwise bleak and dreary world. I love this channel. Thanks.
Also fun fact, if you take 6 levels of celestial pact warlock as well you can pump that up even higher, as a sage advice confirmed that the Draconic Bloodline's feature to add Cha to fire damage stacks with the Celestial pact warlock's to add Cha to fire damage
Addition to the concept: be a Tiefling and pick up the Flames of Pthlegos Feat as well. It does a few things, but the most relevant thing it does is allow you to reroll any 1s or 2s rolled on damage dice for fire spells, though you must use the reroll. It also combo's nicely with Elemental Adept, which on top of ignoring resistance to fire, also allows you to treat 1s on damage for the chosen element as 2s
I have an idea for a level 1 combo
Be a level one cleric with the spells Bless and Sanctuary. Somehow obtain a staff of the python, and then right before combat, summon your Giant constrictor snake, cast bless on the python and two of your party members, then cast sanctuary on the python, and watch it destroy CR 1 monsters.
BONUS: Have your level one wizard friend cast mage armor to give your python an ac of 15.
Not bad for an uncommon magic item...
Is the monsters fail their WIS saving throws, doesn't that mean they will redirect their attacks to the caster?
True...
Then you should cast shield of faith to give the python more AC
To add even a little more oomph to it, be a tiefling and take the Flames of Phlegethos feat. This lets you reroll any 1s you may have rolled. You've skewed the damage a little higher, and the elemental adept is still keeping any 1s from being 1s. As an added bonus, you get a nice little flame shield.
You could do that while also taking 2 levels of fighter for action surge, and release concentration at the same time as you cast your first regular fireball, and the action surge for the second.
Have a friendly cleric or divine soul sorcerer (in that one all-sorcerer party) cast hallow ahead of time to create Energy Vulnerability to Fire Damage. Then you really do the numbers
add 2 levels in fighter
on the last round of concentration follow these steps
action: 5th level fireball = 10d6+5
action surge: another 5th level fireball 10d6+5
bonus action: quickened spell 6th level fireball 11d6+5
drop concentration on 7th level delayed blast fireball = 32d6+5
a total of 66d6+20
an absolute minimum damage of 152 damage (if rolling all 1's)
an absolute maximum damage of 416 damage (if rolling all 6's)
that's a lot of fire! (raw, you can't do the quickened spell though, since casting spells as a bonus action prevents you from casting anything but a cantrip with your action that turn)
@@derimperator3847 the quickened spell metamagic is the only stipulation
Well what if you are chronorgy wizard with as a Hadozee (UA ape race with the use an object action as a bonus action) as your race 2 lvls of fighter. That would be 10d6 action + 11d6 action surge + bonus action arcane abeyance 4th lvl fireball (or use a scroll with a higher cast fireball ?) 9d6 + drop concentration on delayed blast fireball 32d6. This should not break the rules but certainly hurt whatever unlucky fool stumbled into the area.
With Pyromancy Sorcerer subclass you could bypass the Elemental Adept feat if you want to because the subclass has a built-in ignore resistance(you do loose out on damage a little since 1s aren't treated at 2s) but if you get up to level 18 you can turn immunity to fire to resistance to fire which means you could smack everything with fire. Was thinking about trying a Dragonborn Paladin/Sorcerer with Pyromancy the guy was going to love fire. Was hoping to be either an Amethyst or Emerald Dragonborn to have resistance to Force or Psychic since Pyromancy gives you Fire resistance, which actually doesn't help with resisting your own spells.
"Hang on guys, i'm gonna sit here for 20 rounds of combat doing absolutely nothing to cast a fireball, please don't let anything hit me......."
You aren’t doing nothing? It’s concentration, you can cast other spells
@@Klausbro alternatively, if you take that route, hide somewhere while the rest of the party fight for a little bit as youre basicly charging a marble sized nuke in the palm of your hands...
@@crustybomb115 If you have time beforehand you can use extend spell to increase the duration for up to 24 hours, you can nuke almost anything even with spell and legendary resistances with a min roll, so long as you can trick it into the range
While not intended game design according to Jeremy Crawford, RAW appears to allow stacking Extended Spell. (RAW states, "You can use only one Metamagic option on a spell when you cast it, unless otherwise noted." Stacking Extended Spell uses only one option, just multiple times.) If this reading of the rules is accepted at your table, you can extend Delayed Blast Fireball to up to 24 hours, easily causing thousands of damage.
I have the potential to do a 5 fireball spell combo in one round with my 10th lvl 3.5e Dwarf Wizard. So here's the rundown.
I have the Feats: Quickdraw, Twinspell (Complete Arcane), and Residual Magic (Complete Mage)
Items I need: Metamagic Rod of Quickenspell(Major), and a 5th lvl Wand of Fireball.
First I Twinspell my Fireball making it a 7th lvl spellslot, while using my Rod of Quickenspell. I then am able to cast another Fireball which still has the Twinspell effect on it due Residual Magic feat. Finally I'm able to Quickdraw my Wand to cast another Fireball however due to the secondary effects of the Residual Magic feat, the Wand releases a Fireball of 10d6 dmg instead of the usual 5d6 dmg.
So after both casted spells and a use of a wand I'm able to do 50d6 of Fireball damage. Which is pretty nuts for me.
Also yeah I know there's RAW in the various books for use of Quickdraw/Quickenspell. However for the current campaign I'm playing it they're more RAI.
You can do max damage on all rolls with Channel Divinity: Consuming Fervor from 2 levels of Zheal cleric from plane shift. Or if not allowed 2 levels of Tempest cleric and transmute spell metamagic from fire to thunder/lightning.
Zheal?
@@shadexvii3975 it's in PLANE SHIFT: AMONKHET, a pseudo official book by WOTC, Zheal is one of the 5 cleric domains on page 28.
I had a warforged evocation wizard who would run into the middle of combat while invisible and cast fireball centered on himself and sculpted as needed. His name was Flashbang
Get a bunch of them, everyone is a sorcerer, and they cast the ultimate fireballs, all at once
This would be such a cool combat scenario. Maybe you have an NPC doing this, but they treat concentration for it as more of channeling, so you need to protect them for the full duration as more enemies appear periodically. Maybe killing all the enemies quickly allows you to skip some turns while waiting for more to appear, making things a bit faster.
I feel like one winged angel would be more appropriate background music for this.
you forgot one thing!!! The new tattoo's from tasha's have a specific tattoo called absorbing tattoo's if you take the fire one the damage you deal in fire damage you heal half of it so you not only ignoring resistance but also healing yourself with at least 34 points can be used once a day
This is gonna work great, my players will never see this one coming
I just picture a red dragon born walking into a bank and holding it up with a dbdb grenade in their hand. 2 minutes later, it explodes, leaving the immune to fire dragon born and nothing else
It's actually possible to spend enough sorcery points on Delayed Blast Fireball to extend it to a maximum of 24hrs, at which point it does tens of thousands of damage.
Keep in mind that you can use extended spell multiple tines until the duration is 24 hours, if you can set it as a trap you can nuke even a tarrasque with min rolls.
So it's basically Piccolo's Makankōsappō
no because that is a beam attack, not a flat out explosion... youre thinking of the genkidama
Be a storm sorcerer , gain access to fire ball and transmuted spell. Change spell damage to Lightning, take a multiclass in tempest domain cleric Channel divinity will allow you to deal max damage to Lightning damage.
You could use minor illusion to create a fake box and use subtle spell to cast your delayed fireball in the illusory box. Now you just have to use your 20 charisma to convince the target to stand close to it.
A sneak attack so deadly all the rogues in the universe get jealous.
Day 1 of asking for the maximum number of cantrips that a character can get for the least amount of levels
While it doesn't quite answer your question, out of curiosity I tried to see if a character could learn all the cantrips a while back.
Before the last few books that added cantrips, I managed a level 20 character that knew almost all of them. I think just 2 or 3 where missing because of class limits.
If you multiclass to blood hunter and get the ability that removes the resistance for the damage dealt as a reaction and empower it to effect immunity by reducing it to resistance, (because of elemental adept the resistance diesnt apply and full damage is dealt) you can use this againts any fire immune creature like an ancient red dragon or a fire elemental
Level 2 fighter
Level 6 cleric Tempest Domain
Level 12 sorcerer with transmuted spells and quickened spells
Spells:
Hallow
Fireball
I think this gives a run for its money
Cast hallow to make them vulnerable to lightning.
Transmute fireball into a lightning spell.
Use the lightning cleric ability for max damage with lightning damage.
Use action surge and repeat from the transmutation part.
I once created a 2nd edition spell... Base spell is Fireball, then magic missile those with an added chain lighting on each of those 5 fireballs and enjoy the bonfire (not a low level spell ;) )
If you play as a tiefling you can also take the feat flames of phlegethos, so you can Re roll all the ones on the damage rolled.
Takes notes rapidly*
Lightening ball combo. Blue dragon Sorcerer and storm tempest cleric.
Use transmute spell on fireball to change to lightening damage, activate channel divinity to always do max damage from lightening spells. Twin cast with lightening bolt for more damage.
I think that the main reason I have never seen or used Delayed Blast Fireball is that the gem it creates can be removed and even thrown back. In this case, it's pretty much hot potato with a grenade that gets more dangerous over time.
*A player does this*
DM: Oh look! A wild Iron Golem has appeared!
2 minutes in a dnd battle is like 10 episodes of DBZ. "OK guys I need you to hold em off for 2 minutes while I channel this energy."*Raises hands to the sky* Meanwhile the enemy is oblivious to the slowly growing ball of light that is as bright as the sun.
Imagine waiting 20 turns to do 69 damage
"How to assert dominance in dnd" should be the title
Be a tiefling and get the feat: Flame of Phlegethos. Now when you roll fire damage you Reroll all 1s AND with Elemental Adept each 1 counts as a 2.
Also, if you cast Delayed Fireball at 9th level and extended spell to it's max of 24 hours. Then, wherever you put that bead. If you managed to keep concentration until the last second with both those feats and maxed Charisma. That blast will deal 14414d6+5 (5,688.22 on average, half on a successful dex save) fire damage, which, if it wasn't immune, would kill the Tarasque 42 times.
Unfortunately, while you could transmute the fire damage into thunder damage (to damage the Tarasque), it wouldn't benefit from your feats or your draconic sorcery, and you can't Extend a spell you've Transmuted... Metamagic rules.
Now i can finnaly say with confidence... FOR FIREBALL
I mean I think you forgot the part where you get the red dragon mask (mask of the dragon queen I believe) cast the delayed fireball in you mouth then hold your breath weapon for when it blast goes off to.
Heal off the damage, and just look utterly terrifying
As a gestalt player, this with evocation wizard gets nuts when you can automatically make it do max damage lol
Overchannel stops at level 5 spells. Delayed Blast Fireball is 7th level.
@@terakhanthis My bad. We change so much I forgot it originally had a limit.
I'd suggest picking tiefling so one can also grab Flames of the Phlegelos so that you can reroll any 1s, and THEN turn them into 2s if you get 1 again
basically, a fire genkidama
Player: "I will cast fireball"
DM:"Why am I not surprised..."
Player: "ULTIMA FIREBALL"
DM: *concern*
I commend the enthusiasm
Here's one for you. I call it *"Ionic Annihilation"*
Take 11 levels in Order of Scribes Wizard, and get the spells Chain Lightning and Disintegrate.
Then take 2 levels in Tempest Cleric for the Channel Divinity: Destructive Wrath. When you cast Disintegrate, use your Awakened Spellbook to change the damage type from Force to Lightning.
Then use your Channel Divinity: Destructive Wrath to maximize the damage of Disintegrate, for a flat 100 Lightning damage.
The only problem is that a lot more creatures resist or are immune to lightning damage than there are those who are immune to force damage... so while you may be doing more overall damage, you run the risk of them negating half or all the damage.
Plus, because it's Disintegrate, if they succeed their DEX save, they take 0 damage (it's not a "save for half" kinda spell)
@@BYERE A few things. Firstly, while there are plenty of creatures that have resistance to Lightning damage, it's no where near as common as Fire or Poison.
If you're facing a creature with Lightning resistance then just don't change the damage type or attempt this combo.
Also, I'm well aware that Disintegrate is a "save or suck" spell, but that's regardless of this combo anyway. You also trigger Channel Divinity when you deal the damage, so you don't have to worry about wasting it. Hell, just being able to maximize the damage of Chain Lightning is great.
If you're in a situation where you want to use Disintegrate, and you know the creature isn't immune or resistant to Lightning damage, then use this combo. If not, then don't.
If you're able to cast Hold Person or Hold Monster, or you have a Monk in the party that manages to Stunning Strike the enemy, then that's even better, because paralyzed creatures automatically fail Dex Saves.
Ultimately the downsides you've mentioned equate to the inherent risks associated with Disintegrate, and the possibility that a creature you're facing might be resistant. If you're smart then of course you should obviously test for that beforehand, and/or take the Elemental Adept feat.
Add in 2 levels of tempest cleric and use transmute to change the fireball to lightning, then use your channel divinity to garentee max damage
Meanwhile I'm over here as a human wizard about to turn Fireball into a cantrip
Charging for 2 minutes has big spirit bomb energy.
Now I wanna find out how to give this combo to my Light Cleric... play it off as a fire-based prayer version of Goku's spirit bomb.
Better idea: make an npc ready to destroy a big bad guy or a horde of little bad guys by doing this. The party members have to take on waves of enemies that get progressively larger by the round
Two minutes is a super long time in combat so it’s really up to you how long these waves are stretched out, but should never be longer than a few seconds, could be used to give your Pc’s some prep time for the next wave, or to down consumable items.
wouldnt be better a 14 level evocation wizard with the elemental adept (fire) and the metamagic adept (extended spell and other one) feat? you get the same but now instead of adding your CHA mod you get maxium damage posible
Delayed fireball is 7th level, overchannel only goes up to 5th level
@@luckytrap897 My Bad, thanks
@@luckytrap897 altough you could still take 2 levels into thunder domain cleric and change the damage type to thunder with transmuted spell to get maxium damage
@@afasdfasafd314 Eh, it's not really a Fireball at that point though.
@@jukesdtj656 true but thunderball is alot more terrifying, thats why theres a james bond movie :P
You can get way more damage with 13 levels of Scribes Wizard, Prismatic Spray prepared, 2 levels of Tempest Cleric and 6 levels of Draconic Sorcerer (lightning dragon) and maxed out Charisma. Focus on lightning, have a Warlock/Artificer in the party with Elemental Bane on a creature, and grab Metamagic Adept for Extended Spell instead of Elemental Adept. Cast at 9th level, the target affected by Elemental Bane and Elemental Affinity (from Draconic Sorcerer) takes 221 damage, while everyone else takes 209. Enjoy!
Waga na wa Megumin!
*EXOPLOOOOSSYUN!!!*
🎶Bakuretsu, bakuretsu la, la, la...🎶
This reminds me of my tiefling gold dragon sorcerer. He took elemental adept. He's a spicy boy.
I think you can pair it with time stop to ensure you concentrate for the full duration
A wise wiggler once said:
Use fireball.
Only Fireball.
*j u s t f i r e b a l l*
Add one level of Zeal Cleric, and you can always do max damage!
I can just see every character frozen staring at this guy going all Goku-mode charging for 2 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂😂 EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
That only shows how players hand book is already powerful, and people still want power crips in every single book.
You know it just occurs to me what this would look like without any editing or special effects and just picturing him standing in his room pointing at the ceiling has me snorting with laughter.
Graduating from rolling dice to rolling nice
It manages to be nice even when it's not nice.
Love the idea and was curious of furthering it into becoming a "fire god" but wanted to check. So, riddle me this, say you do everything you said here BUT instead cast the fully concentrated delayed fireball spell into a glyph of warding (say on a rock that you just found and have been filling your pockets with for a long time) and then set the activation to be contact with an enemy or maybe a spoken word (see where I'm going here?). Then have a stash of these rocks with the glyph on them then proceed to throw them in battle and use the activation effect to then discharge countless fully powered delayed fireballs (with all the additions you mentioned). The only catch I currently see is the note in the PHB on glyph of warding that says, "If the surface or object is moved more than 10 feet from where you cast this spell, the glyph is broken. and the spell ends without being triggered", but would that mean the 10 feet from where the spell was cast, as in you stand here and ten feet is here thus no effect outside here, or since you cast it on the rock and the rock comes with you the object that the glyph was cast on has not moved ten feet because the glyph is on the object being moved? I can see holes in this, but a friend wanted to start a new campaign and I love your tips and really wanted to try to make him just go WTF. Thanks, and keep up the good work
Combine this with that Tempest Cleric build and deal maximum damage with a delayed judgement strike from the storm giant gods.
Concentrating on an attack for 2 minutes and then dealing massive amounts of damage with it?
You basically just made a D&D Kamehameha.
Another benefit is that Elemental Adept (fire) ignores fire resistance. So unless the target(s) are immune, the best they can hope for is half damage on a successful Dexterity saving throw.
You could just be a level 17 pyromance sorcerer which ignores immunity to fire damage pyromancer can be found in the plane shift booklet kaladash
Aha, let me introduce you to the Zeal Domain Cleric, who as a channel divinity feature can maximize damage from thunder or fire spells
Put the fire ball in a box with a bunch of nails or an exselerant and hold consentraion while walking away. Got a perfect Bom…b
You still could add either evocation wizard or fire spirit druid levels for extra damage
If you are a Cleric of the zelo (actualy i dont Remember the inglish word, translate It from italian) you can maximize a fire damage like the storm Cleric
Holy crap... I played a gold dragon sorcerer with Fire Elemental Adept and this combo never occurred to me.
32d6 + 5, treating any 1 on the damage dice as a 2; Max damage is 197
I know what we're gonna do today Ferb!
I find it hard to see this as practical except against sleeping enemies. Most fights barely last a minute.
there is a way to make a far worse nuke, though you need quite a few wizards or sorcerers with the enlarge spell, simple cast the delayed fireball(or the regular one) and cast enlarge on it as many times as possible(using the quicken spell feat does wonders) and make sure you use the maximize spell feat and extended spell feat to maximize the damage dice, other feats and possibly a race or class to increase the fire damage is even better, and the enlarge spell will increase the size of the blast range and the damage, from how i have always played it and seen it played, just like with weapons, the bigger the spell, the bigger the damage. most i ever saw the spell reach was 40d20, X if he had crit(he had a feat to increase critical range on spells)
Better yet ... how about be Cleric 8/Sorc 5. Take transmuted spell and cast Hallow on your home. Now anyone who you don't like who comes in has to make a Cha save or be vulnerable to your favorite damage type (lightning). Cast fireball at 7th level for 72 damage if they saved from the Hallow because you're a tempest cleric. If they fail the save they take 144.
After spend 4 whole episodes charging the blast the sorcerer delt 72 damage.
Ultimate fireball. Be Veccna dnd 3.5. Cast empowered and maximized time stop and cast empowered maximized delayed fireball 15 times accross the crowded stadium
Hear me out, 2 ways to make this great and optimal.
#1 Galders Speedy Courier. With delayed blast fireball in it. (In a bag of holding if your DM doesnt like rule of cool)
#2 if you take 3 levels of assassin rogue and get a surprise attack with the spell. Your fireball can technically crit. Dealing a massive amount more damage
#3 combine 1 & 2
I don't follow. How do you crit with a spell that doesn't gave an attack roll?
@@lordzaboem assassin doesnt state it needs an attack roll. It just says a surprise attack is a crit. Ultimately it would be at DMs discretion. Because a fireball can be considered an attack and if the fireball is a surprise attack, even though it's not an attack roll it's still a surprise attack. At least that's the way I view the interaction
Dumb spam is having a magic user with the cantrip shift wall. They can make the hard dungeon you worked days on into a single goblin guard and all the treasures from the entire dungeon
Instead of extending it (because a lot of enemies aren't going to stand around while the Sorcerer charges up a bomb), use Careful Spell and let your rogue or monk pick up the bead and throw it at the enemy 😆