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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- Since the service was announced F-Zero was the title I NEEDED to check and see if it was done properly. And Uh...it kinda...is. There is a lot I need to let you know, missed opportunities and of course comparing it to the Nintendo Disk Drive version in lossless quality! Lot to get through!!
Thanks to my friend Cody for both the Expansion Pack, and helping me with online play.
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(Correction: Luigiblood mentioned on twitter to quote "I did not make the Cartridge Ports at all, that's entirely on Zoinkity, who also made an english version of F-Zero X Expansion Kit in cartridge port form. I ported his english translation back to disk form and did some changes." Thank you both for your amazing efforts!)
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I feel a need to correct this: I did not make the F-Zero X + Expansion Kit in one ROM port; Zoinkity did. He also made the english version of Expansion Kit on the cart version, which I took the time to port back to a disk format and then made a few changes on the english translation of my own, but the main credit is to Zoinkity. I never did anything on the process of porting to a cartridge format.
Fun Fact: the Nintendo 64 emulation is based on the Wii U Virtual Console one, which has unfinished 64DD emulation code that was actually kept on Switch as is (so still unfinished) until a few months ago, where it was completely removed.
My mistake on the credits, but I made sure to pin thr comment here so people know, as well as quote your Twitter post so people can see.
And damn I had no idea about the unfinished DD code that was left over. Still a damn shame nintendo hasn't ported the DD features over. Really boils my blood.
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment, I really really appreciate it man!
I love F-Zero X and I think it holds up really well today. Would've loved to play the Disk Drive version as well, too bad.
Once you play the DD you can't go back. The improvements and features are second to none on this
Too bad. You lost your machine.
I'm surprised you didn't go for it. Lol
These emulated ports are the perfect opportunity to always give the definitive experience. They did this with the GBA SMB3 on Wii U where they included the eReader stages so I would expect expansions to always be included in these re-released
Wait are you kidding me nintendo included the eReader levels that's incredible!!!! I actually had no idea!!!
Nintendo usually tries its absolute best only when they have no other option -- like when the Wii U was giving them a loss. You could also add on that Iwata's direction gave them benefit of an artist in the director's seat. With the Switch as successful as it is, they don't even need to try anymore, even if the devs themselves desperately want to.
When the richest company in Japan is too lazy to include features from a game released 22 years ago.
Damn reading this statement hits hard but...you right though.
I played the expansion kit for F-Zero X on my N64 using the Everdrive 64 flashcart. You're right that this is a miss opportunity for Nintendo to release a complete version of the game.
Right?! I would love for everyone to experience the Expansion kit in some way, but man nintendo is making it difficult.
When those ever drives go up I for sure need to get one asap. Def need it for reviews
F-Zero X is one of the few N64 game that aged very well, thank's to the Low Poly aspect, the 60 FPS, the comic book art direction and the soudtracks... WHAT A SOUDTRACKS IT IS !
You compare the N64 and Switch version, but I want to say than the Virtual Console version of F-Zero X is a good way to enjoy this game, at 480p it's a great alternative way to play it !
Nice video BTW, I really enjoy it and thank's for the links for the 64DD version, I going to try it on my Everdrive 64 !
My pleasure Ace! Luigiblood did such an amazing job with the cartridge port I had to let people know, there needs to be a way to experience it for everyone and I hope this is the best. I always hated how exclusive it was
@@Kelphelp Yeah this name is familiar, he help a french YTbers name PuNkY to have 64DD footage for his video about the Game Boy Camera, because you can use picture take by the GB Camera and import them to be integrate on one of the Mario Artist game if I'm right.
WE NEED A NEW F ZERO BRO WTF NINTENDO 😤
Honestly, I agree with this whole review. F-Zero X deserves better.
But I was correct on Online. It’s actually a very competitive method compared to doing it on Project64 or other open source emulators. Though it does make me wish online N64 multiplayer would improve across the board.
If online was much better man I would feel this is worth getting but with thr lag on the emulation and online, it's a hard sell
We rarely play our Switch...had they included the DD expansion in this package I would be subscribing to their service immediately. I have always wanted to play the F-Zero DD Expansion but so far it has been a bust. They could still do it but I'm not holding my breath. I want to play the F-Zero Sega helped build for Japanese arcades and GameCube.
It sucks the DD content never made it out of Japan and would be lovely to play. It's pretty much everything I asked for and it's qorth it but price if entry is absurd. I will say though the arcades are nuts. I only tried it once at a con called Fanime and was one of the best experiences I had.
You have the fashion sense of someone who just stepped out of an early-2010s e-store commercial, the kind that has a ukelele and glockenspiel playing in the background.
Beahshaha to add to that, 90% of my videos are either on pajamas or...pajamas because I'm too lazy to dress up nice for camera.
When I do go out in general I do dress up for sure.
Wait... the is no "countdown" boost (rocket start) in F-zero X. The difference shown at 4:16 is different acceleration/max speed settings.
When you see the countdown and press the A button it does give you boost. It's always been like that
@@Kelphelp Not in F-zero X, no. Rocket start is a thing only in the 2D F-zero games, look it up.
Man you can't just hit me with reverb fart like that. I almost fell from my gaming chair
Poot
Definitely trying out luigi blood’s rom hack. Great vid!
Big recommendation. He did an amazing job and Zoinkitty. Thanks for watching man
I play F-zero X on my Wii (from their official e-shop), it keeps 60fps without any problems - it's sad that the emulation deteriorated since then
Agreed. It seems the people who optimized the emulation for the Wii left Nintendo so makes sense why the quality suffered. I think Modern Vintage Gamer covered that aspect in a video
I played it on Wii VC and it drops frames when there's a lot of cars on-screen. It also stutters a bit when the camera flies in on the intro to each course.
first time checking out your channel and loved this review, thanks to luigiblood for the RT. I will check to see if you have more vids, thank you for this one!
Naw thank you for watching and really grateful Luigiblood commented, had to pin his post for clarification. Thanks so much man!
Where's F Zero AX and GX for that nintendo?Also what are you talking about? There doesn't seem to be a romhack that gives you the DD content there. And the only thing i found was a file that is not compatible with Project 64.
I literally put it in the post and the translator just commented about
@@Kelphelp oh i'm not a sub so if you're talking about community post,i'm not gonna know about that. So that means i need some kind of 64DD bios to play it on project 64 because it's not all in a rom?
The link to getting the rom is in the post. Like it's the first link there.
And it's translator commented talking about it(it's pinned on the comment section.)
It is a shame.
And to think it's actually possible someone at Nintendo suggested doing the whole game + expansion but was turned off by Shitgeru by pure spite makes me angry.
I wanna cry everytime Miyamoto hates F-Zero man. It needs some loveeeeeee
They could do a rework, a graphic rework, with working multiplayer servers, and with the expansion...
I only bought the DD because i love f zero
We are both idiots who love F-Zero to death. Reels bad we have to resort to buying expensive consoles to remedy that 😫
@@Kelphelp worth it 😏
F-Zero X is UN-PLAYABLE on switch online. the lag is straight awful.
Agreed. I tried and I cried
If Nintendo never bothered about Mario Kart 64 on Wii and Wii U's Virtual Console and Switch don't having the Memory Pak support to save the ghosts, add 64DD support over a N64 emulator or doing their own ROMHack is asking too much.
In a perfect world, F-Zero X could be perfectly ported to the Switch to keep 60fps, increasing draw distance, offer widescreen, offer local multiplayer with splitscreen and online with one single screen per system/player, and add the Expansion Kit content. But as Nintendo don't do it, let's wait for some hero to reverse engineering the game, like as they did with SM64 and Ocarina of Time.
If anything it's very possible that might happen with SN64 and Ocarina, I think Majors is next on the list considering the amazing work that Ship of Harkinian did!
Not putting the N64DD content for F-Zero X on the Switch is a huge missed opportunity! Still to this date no sign of it. The lower framerate doesn't bother me but playing F-Zero X with joycons does. It's not completly unplayable but very hard to do. The joycons aren't made for F-Zero X. Good thing i got a N64 Switch Controller!
The N64 controller does feel so much better and alot more natural for this kinda game.
8:16 : I have my guess on the matter: The DD had only like... 5 games compatible. It's like buying a console for just one game. It doesn't make any sense. Sure it's a missed opportunity, but I think Nintendo didn't want to put more money into making the emulator compatible with the DD. It's not like in the FDS.
Oh they ABSOLUTELY didn't wanna put more money for sure so makes sense why we got what we did. However it really sucks since it could have been something to bring a game overseas and yet nothing.
How bad is your timing?! The start boost is very easy to do on NSO. I really don’t think it has a latency problem, certainly nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be.
There definitely is a latency problem and the footage showcases that as well. Lots of frame dips more than the original. Try on the 64 then on the NSO and you will see what you mean. Don't take my word on it if you think that's how it is
@@Kelphelp I’ve played it on N64, Wii, and Switch. They all play fine. Maybe not “speedrunning for world records” fine, but good for 99% of players. I beat the game and never missed a start boost.
Different people feel different levels of lag. What works for you and what you feel might not be what others have. That's why I said it wasn't indicative because I didn't have an objective other than my experience and footage.
@@Kelphelp mmkay bro
Its the first time I see footage of a NSO game running online with lag... *WHY IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU WERE RUNNING DEMUL WITH SLOWDOWN, IT LITERALLY EVEN DOES THE DISTORTED AUDIO THING WTF*
I was laughing during the editing process cuz it was so goddamn bad. Holy hell it was laughable
it's easy to see from this footage that the fine range of movement from actual physical thumb input to on screen movement of the ship is very jittery as if you were simply jerking the stick in tap tap fashion? are you aware that you're using an analogue or is this just another case of Nintendo stuffing up the subtle control movement as they did witth the VC versions on Wii and WiiU? It's the reason I gave up trying to be any good on these versions because I simply could not replicate my skill level from an actual N64. Playing Master mode on F-zero Wii and WiiU was a joke and I'm guessing it is here also
Actually noticing your playing of the real N64 I can see you play the same jittery way so I don't suppose you'd notice too much
That's just....how I play tbh. I always drift left and right in a jittery fashion dude.
@@Kelphelp fair enough, it's a shame they didn't allow for D-pad control then as you'd be right in your element
FZero X with a goddamn Dpad? Yo that is just pure masochism right there. My thumb gonna be reduced to bones
@@Kelphelp yeah not my preferred method of control these days either
How does the DD work ? Does it somehow add content to your games ? Or were the games for DD fully new games on the floppy discs you had to buy ? Like did F zero get re released on the disc as the DD version with new stuff ?
Both actually. Like thr name says the Expansion Kit adds additional content exclusively on this version. It's the only way to play this. Almost all DD content and games are exclusive to the console so its Def rare in that regard
9:24 You Monste r how dare you killed F Zero like That?!
He deserves to pay for his sins.
The game feels okay for NSO and huge range on the controllers, but it never will be as good as N64 local 4 player (perfect control with the n64 controller and no lag at all).
I play this game on a professional level and its straight up impossible to even get close to my N64 times when playing on NSO sadly.
By the way, there is no boost start or lets call it rocket start like in mario kart in F-Zero X.
Really for rocket start? It always happens right before the race starts for me and I was always easily propelled. First time I heard someone says it's not there.
But man thr lag and controller make this such a difficult experience to play.
@@Kelphelp yeah its not faster lol. Maybe the thought of it working made it look like it.
Yeah the lag is horrible, even without playing online the game looks to shaky and laggy for me.
The missing Expansion Kit is such a bust. I would've played F-Zero X on Switch much more, if it had the Kit. But i guess i have to stick with PJ64 for now.
It's funny to me how they can release the canceled Starfox 2 for their Snes Mini, but not translate the Expansion kit for their 40€ Online service.
Agreed, I truly truly wish it was available for play, it's one of those things that nintendo can easily preserve and post publically and yet they don't
I also noticed the lower FPS on Switch. I feel ripped of by Nintendo for tricking me to buy the service expecting that a N64 game would run smoothly on the Switch.
Trust me so do I, it really sucks to know how different of an experience we received compared to what we got
I haven’t actually noticed any dips
Def are dips during my playthrough.
I have paddles on my controller so it doesn't really effect me 😅
Damn ya lucky. Thr lag is unbearable though
@@Kelphelp true that
I think F Zero X Expansion Kit on Nintendo 64 - Nintendo Switch Online is Missing.
Agreed, its necessary to have it complete in here. Really wish they did so.
My mind impersonating Nintendo about their decision:
"We at Nintendo are lazy as f**k and will NOT put in ANY N64 DD feature in the Nintendo Switch Online version of F-Zero X."
The other part of my mind that's pissed off:
"Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....... Get a freaking life... All of you at Nintendo!"
Same, exactly how I feel tbh
A CRT would smooth out the N64's image as wel, it was never sharp.
No but a the CRT does hide alot of imperfections in the title, and it seems with that we get image clarity, and that's where the problem lies.
Glad you changed your tune- if you're going to blame the online play for your own inadequate Wifi setup, you'll have the same problem on any other platform using wireless.
Then again I don't really use online services for playing (rocking hard lines on PC) so never eas much priority to begin with. But big agree
@@Kelphelp rocking wireless mesh here. I typically have a solid connection on PC, Mac, Switch, Xbox or PlayStation because I’ve tuned QOS to reduce jitter (which can even happen wired).
Managing your LAN’s efficiency is key to getting better matches, particularly if they are P2P.💯
Ah interesting, I haven't really tuned things ti online since I don't play other than PC but man it's still extremely helpful in that regard.
My place is entirely wired so I'm grateful for that. It's just putting and getting proper extenders for wifi which I'm still figuring out
@@Kelphelp wired is a good workaround, but as games get more demanding online, QOS will rear its head in the future regardless of how you connect, so just be mindful going forward as we reach games requiring less than 30ms sustained lag.👍🏾
One year later and still no improvements to NSO - also what bothers me even more is the fact that the control stick sensitivity is so high it's almost impossible to steer correctly using the pro controller. They could have implemented an option to increase or decrease the dead zone of your control stick but guess it's easier for them to sell you an overpriced "N64 switch online controller" to "fix" this issue...
Honestly I'm just done wit this service. Even the Wii, yes the old Wii from 2006 does a better job in emulating those games without adding tons of lag or weird control schemes and that was 17 years ago - remember that.
Exactly. Nothing has changed and usually nintendo is unwilling to change. It sucks because the service can be great with minor tweaks but they choose not ti
I'm so frustrated!
What the hell we need to do to get Nintendo awake!
Heck, they have 30 amazing characters, in a racing game! Yes in a racing game!
-Are they blind???
They could make F-Zero beat-em-up game!
Fans would Love it!
The very least they could do is to release complete F-Zero X (DD) engine for modders.
-Not the DD -version of the track builder, but the actual engine they used!
That would allow new textures and characters.
Then, may be they should allow players to transfer/download own tracks into Switch "expansion pack" service, for instance.
I would certainly create amazing stuff with that and so would others.
Or just release F-Zero Maker -game!
I've loved Nintendo what they used to be, but it seems that now i need to tell them what to do. It's really annoying.
I truly wish we could have gotten more. But what could we do at this point.
@@Kelphelp -Demand release of 64DD-version for other new Nintendo system. I've said it before and i say it again: -I will NOT purchase any new Nintendo -console until we get F-Zero game. I suggess others to do the same. Is Nintendo really so lazy? Damn, just port it! Cartoon-Style visuals never get old. Just imagine upgaded English trsnslated 64DD-version with a new ability to add your own Textures on your own courses.
- How long it has been??? Twenty or so years so far!
Why don't you just roll your finger while using the pro controller
Because it physically hurts to do that
@@Kelphelp I see. I have a callus on my thumb from playing f-zero climax to much, which is now making me realize that's probably not the best idea. At least my thumb doesn't hurt anymore, which can be a bright side to rolling your finger while ruining it in the process. I could probably imagine why you wouldn't want to roll your finger with getting calluses and all, so ignore my first comment.
Sorry for my long winded stupidity.
*Carelessness.*
Feels bad man
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I don''t know, this video seems to try to find negatives, which are non-issues to begin with or take just very short time to adapt (button layout, no layout change necessary at all here). Also I have no real issue with input lag with my Pro Controller. Total control of the car. In my experience the 8BitDo controller (I have one) has shown definitely more input-lag than my Pro -pontroller when playing Mario Maker, maybe that is part of your issue?.
Also, the "Smoothing filter" in this case has nothing to do with the smoother rendering of D Graphics/Polygons with gouraud shading and anti-aliasing. Just increasing the resolution would create better aka smoother visuals.
The framerate might be slightly more unstable in this version, but really, that will never be a reason why you failed in this game. ... also but how can you identify framerate "dips" (aka fewer frames/second ) in the footage you showed, where you bump into other cars.?
The biggest factor by far for difficulties in this game is insufficient training in how to use your left thumb precisely enough to steer your car smoothly.
But yeah DD stuff would have been nice. But it"s an amazing game as it was ... and still is on NSO, because the gameplay and track design are the best of any high speed racer. Don't let this video convince you otherwise if you had doubts. It"s a fun and challenging racer
This video is to address the quality of the port not the game itself. Reason I'm so critical is because I want the best for F-Zero X as it's one of my favorite frsnchises and bought both a DD and the Expansion kit years ago.
I stated the 8BitDo is specifically used on my 64, NOT my Switch. I'm using a Pro Controller depicted on the video and have cramps regardless. I still stand by what stated. It's a terrible port. Fantastic game.
Just want to say at the beginning: Your video was a quality video in general and the effort to make it was noticeable. (So I give it a thumbs up, now ... also you obviously care about this game and I need more F-Zero X fans to create content)
Alright ... True, it's a barebone port, which might be not enough for many or even most people. So maybe I just have too little expectations. And I also think F-Zero is quite a niche game series by now, that having a proper remake and added features would do this great game (best track design in any racing game ever, incl. GX) more justice and get people more interested about it.
But in terms of controls, which is really important, I just had a different experience. In my case all adjustments regarding controls were really non-issues by the second play-session. I actually waited to buy the online expension pack, because only a well controllable F-Zero X would be worth the price for me. So I was speaking to people like me. :D. After positive impressions from other TH-camrs, I went in and was very relieved playing it.
But yeah, I admit that being comfortable controlling a game is very subjective and if you don't like it, that's just how it is. I have quite small hands, and I often choose to play a game on the switch instead of the PS4 if possible, because I get cramps when using PS4 controller for too long everytime.
very missed opportunity
Agreed. We just needed...the expansion kit 😫
Nintendo still wonders why people emulate their games.
Agreed, they don't do their shit right
These are not ports. Just simple emulation.
They can't even get that right tbh
@@Kelphelp they need to stop running the emulator on top of an application that is bulky. Just give all system resources to the emulator.
Thought I was the only one to notice inconsistent frame rates in this version. The controls feel absolutely slippery.
The lag was absolutely present and making traversing the game a huge difficulty
F zero doesn't need fixed Nintendo does
Both do but true.
Totally just gonna stick to the original n64
My sentiments exactly
@@Kelphelp i found a brand new n64 a couple year ago, new controller. Used maybe a dozen times. I'll keep using that I think!
Yoooooo now that's a Hella good deal on that find. Keep her close and love her for eternity
@@Kelphelp it will do it in your honor my good man!
It really sucks because it's inferior to the N64 original and the last F-Zero console game was released a whopping 19 years ago... this is all we get >.< will there ever be a new F-Zero game?
Qhen it comes to F-Zero releasing, I've come to acknowledge the stages of acceptance. I'm still at the grieving stage
I agree with everything you said. I'm pretty sure Sony and Microsoft would have made those improvements. This is why I have no plans to purchase the expansion pack.
You ain't wrong in doing so. Man the NSO has such a wide range in terms of quality and this just falls so flat.
The game is barely unplayable unless you use a real 64 stick.
Still unplayable with the real stick because of rhe lag. Feels bad man
Wipeout got the amazing Omega Collection.
And F-Zero.. a shitty port. Nintendo really cares about there old games.
To the point where limbo is just where they will be 😭
The Switch version is absolute trash. The controls are too sensitive on any controller. It makes it too hard to turn without losing grip. Playing with slider settings is almost impossible. There are tremendous framerate issues especially on the X Cup, it is almost unplayable! The worst part is people on social media saying Nintendo did a great job, when they have no idea how the actual game is supposed to feel/play on a real N64.
My sentiments exactly. This is why I wanted to compare the two. You really feel how different both are after you go after another. I can't play the Switch version for the life of me
Yea the sliding is so bad.after u reach a certain speed u try to turn and u lose grip instantly, the game is actually broken and unplayable. It's a shame..
Minimum effort as usual
Feels bad tbh
Man you can't just hit me with reverb fart like that. I almost fell from my gaming chair
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