Don't Play These "Powerful Cards" | Overrated in Commander | EDH | Commander | MTG
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- The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! Today Eddie joins Mitch to talk about "Powerful Cards" that aren't actually good or ones you don't need in Casual Commander!
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Dark ritual can be pried out of my cold dead black playing hands
It likely will not be, as you should be able to use the tempo advantage to defeat your crass, Ritual-hating opponents.
Dark Ritual is the bomb, idk what they're talking about.
And even then good luck because you would have glued them to your cold dead black playing hands!
I laughed too hard at this comment
Speak it brother! I will not give up my turn 2 Stickfingers kill. I play Black because I crave power!
One nice thing about brainstorm is that if you draw over 7 and have a really nice hand full of cards you don't wanna get rid of, you can essentially save a couple cards in your hand for later, and discard a couple of garbo cards from the top of your library.
I can't think of a bigger EDH power move than countering a turn one sol ring with Mental misstep
I have exactly one Fetch-Land (wooded Foothills) that I got as a Box Topper of rmy Zendikar Rising Draft Booster Box. I put it in my Ur-Dragon Deck since for a five Color Deck it seemed good.
I put thieving otter in all my blue decks because my friend bought me 400 for my birthday.
reminds me of playing extraplanar lens palinchron combo back in the day
It’s okay if someone board wipes my mana dorks they’ll have to sit there and watch me mourn the loss of each individual creature as I slowly reminisce the time I spent with each one
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What is mana dork
@@bennycostello2472 Another term for mana rocks. Mana artifacts.
@@Goldschmitt no aman dorks refrence a creature that taps for mana atleast thats what my play groups refrences them
@@valornetwork508 Exactly. Mana dorks are creatures, rocks are artifacts, instants and sorceries are rituals, enchantments that make mana are... I think also rocks because there's no enchantments that make mana and have a snappy name.
“Name a card”
Obelisk the tormentor
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
BFM
Crossout Designator in response naming Crossout Designator
@@abnormallynormal8823little D
Let me guess, wayfarers bauble is number 1 but you should still use it
You...I like you.
🤫 watch it, Mitch might give us more homework.
Lol it's literally better than every card in the thumbnail, except maaaaybe lotus petal
23:23 mentions @Wayfarers Bauble
Am I crazy or am I missing the point of the Bauble in mono color decks?
34:43 I was at a table once around '17-'18 (before Oracle was printed) and I witnessed someone mill their entire deck looking for their wincon before their turn, which happened to be at the very bottom. It remains by far my favorite player death.
Mystic remora still does work in casual decks
This
Yeah. Putting players off of their ramp for the first 2 or 3 rounds can completely change how the game plays out.
I was coming to say this, exactly. Completely agree.
Budget and casual don't mean "all creatures". Even Mitch has his Jhoira deck (or the Jori En variant he used in Quest for the Janklord) that would trigger the hell out of a Mystic Remora.
Soooo much work. I often see it essentially ancestral recall or better. Totally worth a slot.
Also funny that the budget channel touted the $30 card over the $10 card.
To be fair, fetch lands are now the cheapest they’ve been in a long time. If you’ve been waiting for a good time to get fetch lands, it’s probably now.
@@XCodes unless you're playing 5C commander in CEDH, you'll always want all 10 🤣
Yes please buy them so mine will recover value
@@Dark-Pikachu1 Only if you are trying to bump your power level down a little bit.
@@Dark-Pikachu1 I only run rakdos, sorry can't help you.
Lands are the one thing my playgroup doesn’t care if you buy proxies of it doesn’t make ANY SENSE to buy the lands mtg is producing hop on wish and buy some proxies as long as they look decent and people can read them who cares
I definitely think, synergy over precieved "power". This is because even something janky can be powerful so long as it synergizes.
nothing proves this more than Brass' Bounty in Korvold
@@verumnosgrohiik926 you got it king!
Instert my historic “Thiccforceone” deck on arena
Like Orvar
Like Mitch’s Lord Tribal?
I mean... Brainstorm is not only good when you can shuffle. It is also great if you are self-milling and you want something in your GY - be that because you want to use it later, or out of the way.
It also triggers things that care about drawing so for one mana draw three can be big value lol
Or if you want to manipulate the top of your library like when using Cascade, Galea, Kindler of hope, or miracle cards
Or if you have "Search your library, put into play" cards and the card you want is currently in hand.
Like in a Dragon's Approach deck and you draw Utvara Hellkite or something similarly expensive.
There’s tons of synergies with brainstorm copying the spell with Kalamax or recasting it with Kess that’s why it’s widely used. It’s just not as strong as when cedh had it but rock solid card.
Casual decks also run a ton of effects like Rampant Growth, which shuffle your library. Sword of the Animist. Any tutor, even cheap ones like Diabolic. Frankly there’s a ton of ways to shuffle your library that don’t involve fetches so there’s no reason why you strictly need them.
Plus, often enough you just needed to dig three cards deep to find a land drop or a mana rock but the rest of the cards are still useful so you don’t mind putting them away only to draw them next turn.
Also, don’t forget that a lot of alternatives like Ponder are Sorcery speed, which is a HUGE reason why Brainstorm is better.
I feel like if I was playing with Mitch, and I Mental Misstepped his Bauble, he would be my enemy for life
I was gonna say follow it up with a Flusterstorm, but I like Dustin’s answer better
Oh look, the sound of being wrong.
With enough time and tuning, many Commanders will go from "casual/bad" to "optimised". Optimised deck tend to go fast. Unless they want to be a spectator for half an hour, players will improve on their deck, its just a natural process for MTG players...
Casual means bad. Idk how else you could describe it. An optimized deck isn't cedh. You can tune your Myojin deck all you want you'll never be cedh. Cedh decks are the best commanders with well established strategies and every high lvl card you could reasonably play in that strategy. You could stumble into a cedh lvl deck over time but, not from any starting point. If I'm playing some no name commander and stomp a table with tier 1 commanders that doesn't mean I'm playing cedh their decks are just bad
@@Paul-tr8bk Casual doesn't mean bad at all.
Casual decks are better for what they're designed for (having a splashy fun casual game) than a cEDH deck is for that same purpose.
Not every deck is designed to win as fast as possible. A good deck is a deck that does what you want it to do.
@@Vex-MTG I'm not hearing a difference. You play fun/splashy cards so your deck is slow and doesn't win as often. If your deck doesn't win very often most people would say the deck is bad. Sure when you get the nuts draw with your goat tribal deck they'll say that was cool and you'll have fun but, that doesn't mean you're playing a good deck. If the deck does what you want and you enjoy it keep playing it but, I'm not magically playing a different format just because I'm winning every game your deck is just bad
@@Paul-tr8bk I don't completely disagree with some of what you're saying but cedh isnt completely restrained by playing the "best" commanders only. There are people that brew cedh decks and you can still play cedh with commanders that aren't consider the top of the best cedh commanders at all and you can still get away with playing commanders that were ONCE at the top of CEDH but are no longer considered the tier 1 cedh cards (like the ancient cedh commanders from 2013 vs today). There are "tiers" within cedh and janky / home brewed cedh decks too and they still put up an interactive fight with a top end cedh deck and will still get in wins. It is NOT completely commander reliant (but the higher tiers are proven to be goodand efficient so people play them since they advance your win more / give you card advantage or fuel your win con). As long as your deck has an efficient way of winning consistently and it's optimized to execute that win while also interacting with others and protecting your win while keeping up with the speed of the other players then it's cedh.
A few of the cedh TH-cam channels have games with $100 budget decks and other janky not top tier commanders and they still last 10+ turns and get some wins againt the non budget decks and can shut them down or deny their win.
@@Paul-tr8bk, this mentality is really an issue in the MTG community. It tends to force new players out and a major reason why the prices of nonsense cards have skyrocketed. Winning a lot in casual doesn't mean you will win a lot competitively. Conversely, playing a competitive deck in casual is boring as hell. The purpose of casual is not to win, it's to play the cards and decks you paid for and have fun doing it. Competitive is meant to win as many games as possible as fast as possible. It's the difference between long distance running and sprint running. The fact that I have to spell this out says enough.
To those who downvoted:
The alt title is: cards you should run in cEDH, so either way this is useful.
Underworld Breach decks when they see lotus petal: 😍
Dargo the shipwrecker approves of both lotus petal counting for 1 red and 2 generic mana and underworld breach also can help Dargo only cost 1 red mana to cast.
Hey mitch you should do some more 10$ decks as the ones you made have gone up since you made them. They are a good way to get new players as they are better than the precons
That's kind of the exact reason why his base price for his decks has gone up though: the other deck prices have gone up. As people realize that budget cards are actually good, their prices inevitably rise as people buy up the cheaper options, leaving the more expensive ones to set the price. So it's inevitable that the decks will get more expensive and that former budget staples will get too expensive unless they're printed into oblivion. Wayfarer's Bauble suffered from this fate.
The whole game has gone up in price. Most of those $10 decks he made, where a couple of years ago, before the EDH craze.
I believe it's impossible nowadays, even for Mitch, to make a $10 deck (even discounting the commander and the basic lands).
Mitch's decks have gone up in price but also in power and infinite combos which I find much less fun. I wouldn't build many of Mitch's new decks as they focus on power more than fun now imo.
Everyone is complaining about prices going up but I still go to the local store where I can get 20 wayfarer's baubles for a buck in the 5 cent/common bin. Stop feeding into this crazy cost machine and support local stores.
You're definitely my favorite EDH channel on TH-cam. Some of the other channels make these huge sweeping declarations about what is and isn't good, despite EDH being a pretty fluid play group to play group format and Mitch I think is very good about that fluidity. If I wanted to play a more quantified format instead of how huge and varied edh is, id play standard.
Excuse me sir, Llanowar Elves is one of the best cards in my mana dork tribal commander deck that gets a bunch of mana dorks out and does nothing else
That's kinda just Elfball - play dorks, use them to make mana, use the mana to draw more dorks, then you untap, cast Torment of Hailfire for 86 and win.
Druid tribal is nasty with Chulane and the tap 7 druids to steal all of a players lands druid. Great "be a jerk" deck.
Can't help my self elfs one drops are apart on my decks I got so many of them even just have deck thats all mana tap dorks there too good and classic card
I mean my commander is also an elf that makes mana, albeit not conventionally (Grand Warlord Radha) and I like having her out and swinging turn 2 or 3.
I agree. They help me ramp to my commander. Sure they may not stick around forever but usually at least a few turns. If I draw them late there's always skullclamp to draw into something more impactful.
Elves are absolutely amazing with 4 cost commanders. T1 land, elf. T2, land, commander. Awesome fun.
In my opinion the best part of magic is that it’s a living game. Decks don’t have to be finished one day and then never adjusted again. Save you deck lists and try experimenting with new cards and play styles, it can be really educational and fun to see magic from all aspects:)
That's.. uh... Man this video is just full of wonky takes. These are all cards you can still kill other players with. I love this channel. Don't try this again. Please go back to deck techs.
I used to not run mana dorks in my “casual” decks back in the day for the reasons you described. However I’ve recently added them back because of all the new green card draw that depends on creatures etb. But I do try to pick the ones with the most synergy with the deck.
I had the opposite effect on my casual decks over time.
My first deck was an angry omnath deck that has roughly 30 mana sources and none of them except tangled florahedron are mana dorks. I usta have all the one cost dorks but with elemental bond and the garuks enchantment draw if the creature has power 4 or more. The dorks dont draw cards but ramp spells do with omnath out and they are safer. Now i have about 30 decks most have green and some of em dont run sol ring cus rampant growth is jus so good, and few run dorks they jus aren't good enough in most decks.
In my marath and animar decks i only run birds and goose and avacnys pilgram for marath jus so i could get them out on turn 2, but i would rather have utopia sprawl in most decks. Marath needs alot o mana for his ability so i run wilderness reclamation and just regular ramp cus that deck doesnt have too many creatures jus stuff to take advantage of his tokens and counters. My animorph deck could draw from dorks with lifecrafters bestiary or gaurdian project but id rather just have more morph creatures and dorks dont really matter cus all my stuff is free and there is that enchantment that lets you put a basic into play whenever you play a morph. Gotta korvold lands decks thats pretty much just omnath and gitrog monster with no mana dorks either. My muldrotha primal surge deck with all permanents doesnt run any mana dorks cept tangled florahedron only guys that sac them to search for a land like steve. My nethroi graveyard deck only has the hexproof wall that taps for any color cus of its keyword. My tuvasa the sunlit doesnt use mana dorks or ramp spells jus enchantment ramp. I got a roon flicker deck that uses the blue pirates that make treasure as my ramp cus they go infinite with deadeye and panharmonicon and flickering dorks just to draw from gaurdian project isn't what i wanna do. I gotta marael naya beasts deck with no dorks but lots of fattys and a tasiger sea creature deck that just uses the green for ramp spells to get to cast my big blue levithans and krakens. And finally i have a jund wither deck where green is actually tertiary so i have very little ramp at all cus its a aggro deck with cheap rakdos cards and just a few green wither cards like hipatra and morselhorder.
Like most green decks i have dont have mana dorks only my mono g omnath runs all the one drop dorks and my tuned 5c horde of notions runs a few but only ones that also fix otherwise its maybe a birds and goose for my green decks. I replaced most my dorks with search for tomorrow or utopia sprawl. Exploration and burgening are also way better than dorks but also a lil expensive. Dorks work great with the great henge but thats a 40 dollar card i only got 1 of em.
Technically beholders have been in the game since the first changeling 🤔🤔
Technically, that's not true either! The comprehensive rules have a list of all existing subtypes and Beholder was just added: magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/comprehensive-rules-changes-2021-07-15 > Subtypes
Not trying to be snarky for the record. I think it's funny that WotC keeps track of all the subtypes.
@@eddie_cq8276 No problem i just thought it was a funny thing 👌👌
@@pajoulrod yup according to ruling for arcane adaption creature type must be existing in magic so all creature types must also.
“To choose a creature type, you must choose an existing creature type, such as Vampire or Knight.”
I love Jeweled Lotus later in games. Since all the commanders I run are pretty much “kill on sight”, any way to save mana on the tax is welcome. I certainly wouldn’t pay 100 for it, but I got lucky and pulled one.
Right? Like, I run Jeweled Lotus for commanders I want out ASAP. And ya know what I want them out ASAP? Because they're extremely powerful and my deck runs better when they're doing their thing, which MEANS, there's a good chance it's gonna eat removal a couple times!
Any deck that SHOULD be playing Jeweled Lotus will want it early, as well as later on.
I put mine in my Hans deck. Silly commanders coming down three turns early is fine, right?
I run it in my Gishath deck, pooping out Gish on turn 3-5 when there are small blockers out, really makes my deck pop off. I've even gotten her out as early as turn 2. Plus with 8 being the mana value, if it gets removed then I can use lotus later in game to skirt the commander tax.
I will say some cedh decks are also quite creature heavy. Blood pod is a personal favorite cedh deck of mine and it’s a fun creature beat down strategy and slows down the board to stop the fast combos.
I respect Blood Pod players. I see you homie.
Totally. I have a proxy Blood Pod deck I love. I also saw a Tymna|Kamahl hatebears list a few weeks ago that piqued my interest.
Poor blood pod fell off hard tho lately
These cards are all extremely playable, 1 mana dorks are great, and mystic remora is a great early source of card draw.
This seems to be a casual and budget episode where they point out cards budget or casual players don't use LOL
@@michaelgierusz5754 Maybe, but mana dorks are still great in casual as many, many decks have multiple creature synergies that they play well with
@@rodgerlang884 yeah thinking a mana dork is overrated is weird haha
@@michaelgierusz5754 yeah they really help get you going. And they’re dirt cheap
Mana dorks are good if they synergize, and I love Mystic Remora. However, if you're running dorks just for ramp, then run dorks that tap for colors different from what you paid (Elves of Deep Shadow cost green but don't tap for green), and remora is bad if your opponents don't cast many non-creature spells (which can definitely happen).
I think a big part of Brainstorm in casual decks is there are still a TON of "when you draw a card x happens" cards and for 1 mana a person can trigger this effect THREE times. 👍
"Overrated in Casual" not overall in commander
Since more people play casual than cEDH, they're overrated in more games than they aren't. So overall, yes, they are overrated. In a tiny, niche sub-format they aren't, but overall they are.
If I play ad nauseum in casual. I am winning a majority of the time.
@@andrewsparkes6115 The problem is that Mitch’s eye for power level is pretty poor LOL.
@@MekanikKommandoh88 I am merely talking about OP's comment, the use of "overall", and the internal logic of that sentence: You cannot say "something is true in casual commander, but not overall in commander", because cEDH is such a tiny subset of all commander games, if something is true in casual commander, it is by the law of averages also what is overall true about the format. It'd be like saying "private jets are unaffordable for people with normal 9-5s, but not overall for employed people" - if you are talking about everyone overall, then yes, it is unaffordable. Same here - everyone, overall, IS playing casual, so what applies to it is also what can be said as the "overall" blanket statement which does apply go most people playing commander.
Honestly, I’ve played a ton of Green through a lot of years, in a lot of formats, so I’m pretty confident when I say the following:
If you’re trying to rely on mana-dorks in the same way you might rely on land-putting spells, you’ve kinda missed the point.
The one-cost elves are there to help you slap out a couple of four-drops, or even a three and a four, to get you out in front. *Anything* you get out of them post turn three, four at the latest?
That’s just gravy, *NOT* something that should be a big part of your overarching game-plan.
Now, obviously the two, and *definitely* the 1G 2C guys that can individually match your entire land-based mana pool are a different matter. I would hope you have plans to protect such significant investments, but yeah, whole different thing.
Dorks are flatly better than one-offs under all but the most rarified circumstances, but only situationally and very temporarily, superior to just digging out and cheating in more lands. (That’s why Fastbond is banned, hint hint.)
Edit: Re: Timetwister: You’re not really accounting for the old timers who just got them like any other card, and have simply cared for and held onto them.
I started playing in late ‘94, and bought my first for 55$. I won my second at a 4 of Anything, Run What You Brung tourney in 1999, and even then, an Unlimited Twister could be snagged for 440-475$. Expensive, but hardly the insanity of today.
As a reminder: In late ‘94 you could pick up a NM Beta Lotus for 700$ in an AO-Hell Trade-channel, or as low as 550$ if you *really* beat the bushes. My Mom and Grandma joined forces to buy me mine as a high school graduation present in ‘96, to give me in ‘97.
There really was a time when 150,000$ relics were just cardboard you got in a pack. The guy who sold me the playset of Taigas I still have (For 20$, total), had an entire binder page front-and-back full of them. That took him traveling all over the country for a couple months, and a few thousand dollars, but more like 8k than 8 million.
Those guys are still out there. They just get rarer all the time. Theft (Like my case, where I lost a 1/3 of a collection and the 9.) Death, even just cashing out when it came time to close on the picket fence.
Okay, in what world is Mystic Remora not just an auto-include in literally every single Blue deck besides maybe Codie? Yeah, in casual, if you slap it on the table turn 1, you might not get great value out of it and have to pay the upkeep to try and draw a card or two. BUT, if you're not just mindlessly slapping it onto the field, as a turn 2 play, it's absolutely insane! Turn 2 is when nearly every single commander player is trying to play ramp spells and mana rocks. You're either massively hindering your opponent's development for a turn, for 1 mana, or more likely, they're just gonna feed the fish anyway, and let you draw 2-3 cards. At the very worst, Mystic Remora is a cantrip that stalls your opponents for 1 turn, because someone ALWAYS feeds the fish, and in many cases, it was draw 3 or more cards. Don't forget that later in the game, it's STILL good, sometimes even better: no one is gonna pay 4 on turn 6 to not let you draw, but a 1 card 1 mana investment is so much easier at that point that you can easily keep it around for the next turn, too, draw upwards of 4-5 cards, sometimes even more if a counterspell battle happens.
You always include Mystic Remora. It's like $4. Don't be stupid.
Oooh a podcast episode! Much excite ^-^ and hi Eddie!
Hello there!
I have been told to "Blame Eddie" multiple times
I get if you wanna have a budget deck but saying “don’t play these cards” is kinda lame imo. They exist so why not play them? One upgrade a paycheck isn’t that hard. It’s taken me forever to finish one deck and it still isn’t 100% but it took a while for it to actually start winning and when it did it felt incredible because of the struggle. Yea still have your budget decks to play with other people but it seems rather limiting to not play a card because it’s too strong
I'm using Brainstorm in my Kalamax. It's a cheap spell to get Storm count up and as an extra bonus if I also have Niv-Mizzet, Parun in play and copy it enough times it's a lot of damage.
Overrated ? Most of these cards are super playable even in casual. I see most of these in my casual groups (in different shops before COVID 19)
I have a casual deck with an average CMC under 2 (1.88 to be exact, yes it is still casual) which is in black, so I play Ad Nauseam.. It is not a bad card in casual if your deck can fit it.. It is amazing in the higher powered deck which are still casual..
Fetchland are not needed I do agree and I rarely see it
Lotus Petal is amazing in every artefact matters deck. It is not card disadvantage at all .. What the hell are you spouting there. Think About Emry which can recur it. Think about Lurrus who can also recur it . Think about every deck that transform it in a mana rock.. Think about Osgir which let it accelerate to do even more big Timmy thing faster
It is the same about Fast Rituals. Dark Ritual in hand with let say Signet and Sol Ring still means a turn 2, 5 mana commander.. Like. I dont put it in a lot of my casual decks, but it still let you put your impactful commander faster or play "busted cards" like Necropotence (yeah I see Necropotence in my casual metas)
Mystic Remora.. Oh yeah, one of the best tax effect and draw engine is "bad" "overrated". Sure it is super meta dependant, but even if no one cast anything let say turn 3.. You still slowed them one turn while you did things on your side.
Brainstorm in casual is bad in casual I do agree..
Are you really saying mana dorks are bad ? They are acceleration so you can play your commander faster, so You can play your rampant growth, cultivate, kodama's reach faster, so You can play your rock faster. Most of my casual groups does run wrath and no one even think they are bad.
Dont run Abrupt decay ? 1 to 3 still hits quite a lot of things in casual deck (rocks, Study, a lot of commanders, etc)
Essentially your points are : Dont up the consistency of your deck, dont play fast mana , dont speed up your game.
As a casual player (and sometimes cEDH) , it is so disheartening to hear this nonstop. I respect the damn out of your budget deck tech video, but tbh , most of your opinions related video are just not fun to listen to
This channel is mostly something around budget. A lot of people try to break budget by grabbing certain cards they can sometimes through buying are just trades. When it comes down to "budget casual", it's plenty different than "casual" that's loosely thrown around. Someone's casual based on $10-50 is different than someone's casual of $100-250 or something. In my playgroup, I aspire to prove my budget decks can win against $250-1200 (only 2 of those higher end) decks that are also in the group. Now, some cards can definitely help the deck. Yes. Are they in budget? No. Some people in budget or casual groups at home amongst friends aren't exactly the best at deck building either. Their decks can have some good plays and bad plays depending on who they are when they do. Some of these cards just being thrown in some decks bc they're "good cards" for starters or budgets might not synergize with other cards/deck to do what they want. Ex.) They can ramp to high hell with mana dorks, but they'll run out of cards in hand due to lack of any card draw. I've ranted long enough, so my ADHD ran somewhere else and idk what I'm doing anymore despite actually coming here with some points. *Please note that I'm not talking about all cards that are in the video though*
Completely agree with you E G
Birds of Paradise was the first card I pulled in my adventure into MTG. It tends to find a spot in every deck.
After seeing Dark Ritual in there I though of using it as a way to hide your usable mana. The problem is I don't know if I can use it in the scenario in my mind.
So we are on the beginning of an opponent's combat phase, I have one land untaped with Dark Ritual and Hellish Rebuke(3 drop instant) in my hand. Can I do two separate responses to be able to cast Dark Ritual then Hellish Rebuke during another part of the combat phase?
You cannot do that - mana empties from your mana pool at the end of each step and phase. However, you can absolutely cast Dark Ritual during the declare blockers step (after they've attacked and can't take it back), then cast Hellish Rebuke off the ritual mana, then move to combat damage (when all the creatures will die). Or cast it during the beginning of their combat phase to tell them they should swing at someone else. You can also use Ritual in response to a spell on the stack - cast Ritual, let it resolve (first in, last out), then cast your response, then allow the initial spell to resolve.
I see Dark ritual. I agree. Play Bubbling Muck instead
Or..
Both!
Protip: Don't pay for the overpriced secondary market price, just print your own cards.
Mana dorks are still good in casual. Enacting your game plan at a better time is worth the loss in mana that comes from a board wipe. The difference is that in casual your game plan should provide value that lasts throughout a long game, whereas in cEDH you are looking for a compact and resilient way to just win.
Perhaps the worst take I’ve even seen
T1 Urza 😂😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣 you can fetch command tower with the map 🤓
You will have to pry my Llanowar Elves from my cold dead hands.
I run mental misstep solely for sol ring.
Edit: and bauble
I use dark ritual, but it's as a finisher card. Twleve copies of it going into exsanguinate twelve times is a fun overkill win condition for late game. Completely unnecessary to deal that much damage, but feels good to win the game dealing hundreds of damage to everyone at once.
i use tainted pact as an instant speed demonic tutor, which still has the randomness of having each card only once. (i only bought it because i loved the art)
23:16 Hey!!! 😡 then 55:21. My new Commander: Adventures in the Forgotten Realms printing is on pre-sale for $1.64 right now; otherwise, my lowest TCGPlayer market price is currently $3.07 for my The List printing.
Hi Eddie!
Hi friend! Glad you saw your callout there :)
@@eddie_cq8276 Hey back! Tell Mitch I've moved up in the world 😉
I watched this video to see all the cards I should add to my commander decks
Something that definitely adds to the numbers is that the majority of cEDH play groups (mine included) are fine with proxies. They wanna play against your brain, not your wallet.
I took a grain of salt with every word you said and now I have high blood pressure
I don't run Ad Naus anymore in my K'rrik cEDH deck. I hit Vilis and Peer Into The Abyss too many times.
Actual episode starts around 7:21. What is this the Command Zone?! 😂
Playing these cards will really depend on your deck's strategy. Many decks might not need any of them but there is always something you can build that might use one of em.
Instead of free the otter how about ban companions. I mean that as far as the mechanic not as far as like having them as a commander. The rules committee bent over backwards to allow that mechanic. Why do companions get the pass to break the format rules they created when we can't use lessons or wishes or anything else that uses a sideboard.
Companions are fun and add an interesting element to deck creation and they aren’t I. The sideboard. So screw you and bring back Lutri.
@@regaleagle6533 I want to start by saying this would you be ok with lessons and wish spells in the format?
@@Niedomysm those are things that use a sideboard. Companions are not. Cedh would certainly ruin wish.
@@regaleagle6533 if you are not ok with allowing wish spells or lessons then why are you ok with companions? All three utalize cards "outside of the game" and also require certain cards in your deck to make them work, you have to deck build for them.
There are two problems with this.
1) cards "outside of the game" are sideboard cards that's how the rules work. The exception to this is commanders and that is because of the command zone. There are special rules that come with the command zone and that area is limited to only your commanders.
2) the second problem with lessons, companions, wishes or anything else outside of the game is they give you an inherent advantage in commander. You are basically starting the game with that many extra cards in your hand. Those cards outside of the game cannot be interacted with at all until you bring them in the game.
My statement is simply it needs to be all or nothing because companions already break the rules of commander and allow more than 100 cards.
Part of the reason they were allowed was to make commander as close as possible to regular magic, but there are other rules (hybrid Mana) that commander has that are not like regular magic.
I feel like it is unfair for all players if we have companions but not wish spells.
@@regaleagle6533 I will agree to disagree with you on this one. I firmly believe that the rules committee bent over backwards to make companion work for edh.
As for cedh breaking wish spells so what? How many cedh decks do you play against? Let them have their fun, let the regular population use wishes or anything else that references cards outside of the gameas well. We obviously don't ban cards based on cedh so let those cards function the way they were intended instead of "well companions don't need to use the sideboard to work" -Sheldon Mennary
The rules committee allowing companion to work is easily the worst thing they have done for the format. Again I am all or nothing. Let us play with these cards the way they were ment to be.
Cedh is just "Shuffling, The Gathering"
Last time I was this early to a video arcane signet was $15!
Name a card:
"1996 World Champion" 😜
Proxy them fetch lands and get some for the whole table
Seems like a lot of people commenting here are not aware of the purpose of this channel, lol. We get it, y’all have cash to throw at Magic. Some of us don’t.
I'm here to make sure I'm not missing any powerful cards in my casual decks....
I got extremely lucky and pulled a Dark ritual from a Strixhaven booster pack. Also got Ad Nauseum a while ago but didn’t know it was as expensive of a card as it was.
Loved the video guys, really enjoy your perspectives. My thoughts on fetchlands for EDH: if you own them, use them. If you don’t, spend your money elsewhere.
wish i had more casual players cedh ruined it
I'm personally a fan of Eddie.I think it's more because I prefer this kind of episode over deck techs and spoilers
*sees title*
But I don't want to
I’ve always found remora good, paying for it for two turns becomes a 4 cost draw spell that I often find draws 3+ and disrupts others peoples ramp plays.
play anything not on the banned list. yawn
This comment is for Eddie's question at the end. My play group plays 90% of the cards you discussed but we are by no means competitive edh. We don't allow extra turns or infinite combos And every player usually gets close to 10 turns and the games last over an hour. We just enjoy the efficiency and have the money to spend lol. Loved the video guys.
A lotus petal is a treasure. Fight me.
wait a video that does not deal with the next upcoming set? is that allowed?
"lotus petal, i am sure i you see it on the screen"
*me minimizing minecraft to look at the card as you describe it*
hahaha
I have never put a deck online.
Thing is I feel like the word competitive can be swap-able with the word expensive, the tutor, lotus, and good land cards are just expensive so the only thing making them “competitive” is that most people don’t wanna drop that much money just so they win faster, I feel like commander is more about having fun with friends and spending that much to just win faster isn’t making it more enjoyable for the whole table
Casual for some people isn’t about buying 10-20 dollar cards on eBay. It’s using 100 dollar cards they pulled in packs playing commander legends with friends.
Hahaha that's why I run tutors so my deck is more consistent. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people that say they want a different experience every time they play also love a three hour game. Which is cool I just really hate games that go nowhere fast.
Mental Misstep appears in casual edh decks for 1 reason
its name is Sol Ring
And swords to plowshares and mystical tutor and worldly tutor and nature claim and all the other 1 drops that you see in both casual and cedh.
I run fetch lands in my landfall deck, but won't go out of my way to run them in others. Double landfall is worth more than the fixing.
Cant forget the shuffle effect though works well with cards like sensei’s top and scroll rack
I have a friend who used to play in a competitive environment, but at my LGS we play very casual. I never wanted to play with him because he would always do some turn 2, one mana instant win BS, while I'm sitting with three goblins on the board. So one day he said "I didn't bring a deck, let me use one of yours." So I handed him my janky Pirate tribal theft deck. He loved it. He had never seen a game where people built up a large amount of stuff on the board, interacting with other players and actually doing things. I started picking out random legendary creatures and describing how I would build a deck around them. I've "deprogrammed" him, he's working on an Abzan deck based off one of the Ikoria precons.
Cedh decks run way more interaction on average than non.. your friend sounds like a pubstomper
It will be done, my lord
I don't agree about Mental Misstep, because even in casual games 1 mana removal such as Swords to Plowshares/Pongify/Witness Protection etc. are decently common. Being able to defend your important creature (likely your commander) from these removals while tapped out is quite huge compared to holding up 2 mana for a negate, even in casual. Of course, Fierce Guardianship is almost always better for this use case but Mental Misstep is far from bad enough in casual to deserve a
Is Demonic Tutor more than twice as good as Diabolic Tutor? Yes. And Many magnitudes more. So yes, if the point is "we want more variance", then sure, don't play either. If the point is "Demonic Tutor costs 30-40 times more money", sure, run Diabolic over Demonic. But if the actual question is "is Demonic Tutor twice as good as Diabolic Tutor (using the mana cost as a comparison)", then absolutely, and far, far more so.
I wonder if people be interested in an opposite 'meta' to cEDH, Casual EDH (vs 'casual' EDH, which is apparently everything that isn't quite cEDH, which is silly), which would be decks designed with certain parameters in mind, and within a certain power level. It wouldn't rely on a ban list especially, more on the the stated goal of the 'format', which would be mutual enjoyment. Playing to win would not be the goal, though games would (and should) have a winner, players should actually vote on who they feel contributed the most fun to the night, and they are declared the victor. Because the power level would be much lower, and people playing high power decks would rarely be voted winner, so there is less incentive to push your meta, and even Vorthos stuff could thrive.
Yes, let me remove my Golgari Abrupt Decay, for an Orzhov spell I can't even cast because I'm playing Golgari......smh, let's use some common sense on this one, a better choice would've been putrify, but oh wait they probably already have that in there already...
When you are showing percentages, say a specific blue card that is played in 60% of CEDH decks, is that 60% of all entered CEDH decks or decks that can legally run this blue card: only 60% of blue mages choose to run this specific card?
I have to disagree with Mystic Remora. In CEDH the card is played turn one not to draw cards, but to slow your opponents down and limit their choices. It's a blue tax card. In casual it is used on say turn 2-4 when players want to ramp and seeing as you are likely to have 1-2 players not running green, that means they need to ramp with artifacts. This turns there turn 2-3 plays in to +1's for you or they choose to do nothing. In most cases they will just let you draw a card so, 1 blue to draw 1-3 cards on the regular is good. If you pay upkeep coast of 1 next turn. Then 1 and a blue for 2-6 cards is great. I find it works quite well. Are there games where you may run into 3 players all playing creature decks, yes, but that is not common.
I strongly disagree with your mana dork opinion. Sure a board wipe kills your mana but by the time one is cast you already took advantage of your early ramp amd probably have enough lands on the field to not care for your elves dying.
Do I need fetch lands for all my decks? Nope. I own 1 copy of most of them. They live in my binder and I use proxies in my deck. Not spending $500-$1000 to own multiple sets for all my decks. That's insane.
Agree 99% with you guys. I play optimized casual decks and I use none of these cards with the exception of Demonic tutor. Even if you're not looking for a combo piece tutors help offsetting the high variance of edh decks. Not every effect has enough printed cards to ensure redundancy and that's where tutors shine for me.
I play casual but don’t get me wrong it’s not by choice. I wish I knew how to build a 9 or a 10 deck. The best I’ve been able to conjure up is a 6 or 7 and it was kinda easy since mono green hydras kinda just works for itself. I have built a white black Knight deck that on I consistent occasions all of my Knights would get huge and lock down the field but it was so slow it barley got that far and wasn’t clear on how I could do it again. I’d like to build a deck that can make the game harder for my opponents while my battlefield is falling into place with cards like Linvala or Arch Demon of depravity, but I only even seem to get the battlefield build part down and not much synergistic game control which is why I just need up on the quick ramp creature hungry mono green. I’m sure for some people like me if I could straight up build my own competitive deck I would but I only know the basics of how most people make a deck and that doesn’t really push the boundaries of why the deck can really do.
You guys have the LONGEST intros ever. 6-10 minutes exist before content. I love the content, but I might actually not skip your intros if they were a bit shorter!!!!
I made a Glyssa edh deck just to cycle over and over wayfarer's bauble
In regards to fetch and duel lands our group allows proxy for lands. It isn't fun to have all decks have to worry about mana fixing just because we don't want to drop $$$.
This feels like it allows use to focus on our deck builds.
Honestly the only one I really disagree with is Mystic Remora. I feel like even in lower powered decks most players are ramping turns 1-4. Turn 1-2 are mana rocks, and 2-4 are mana rocks/land searching, such as Cultivate, Rampant Growth, Gift of Estates, etc…
No one is going to NOT ramp turn 2 or 3 just so you can’t draw one card, unless they are bad at the game lol. I play decks that range from about 5-8, and they all have some sort of mana ramp that I’m looking to play early, and 95% of that is non-creature.
The only exception would be elfball decks
So Mystic Remora is insane in casual games. A turn one fish in cEDH is very strong, but in casual EDH, it's not great outside of getting the odd turn one sol ring. In casual, a remora on turn 2 is actually much stronger due to the idea of ramping on turns 2 and 3. Either they feed your fish and draw you more cards or stifle your own development and put themselves behind a bit. In my experience, turn 2 remora in a slow hand is amazing because you either get free draws into your ramp that you're missing, or your opponents don't ramp themselves nearly as much and you catch up much faster.
There are to many myths as to what CEDH is, I see to many casual discard decks, strong commander decks, decks running Armageddon, mill strat type decks, mislabeled as CEDH, when they are no were near fast or efficient enough to compete in a CEDH setting.
Free the otter, I love the otter. Please I need to play the otter as my not companion. Very technically now there are 3 izzet color cards in commander that you can play multiple of but yes he's still way to good as a companion. I just love otters and I got a date stamp and can't play it because everybody in my area is like "grrrrr rules are rules" and I'm crying...
Edit: I accidentally said "not my commander" when I ment companion.
only one I disagree with is mystic remora... Mana dorks are debatable, depending on if youre trying to abuse them or not through like a jeskai ascendancy. Like if you have a lot of un-tap creature stuff. But in general I do avoid mana dorks unless it bloom tender and faeburrow elder cause those net you mana.
Idk about anyone else, but I only need 1 polluted delta. It's not like I play with more than 1 deck at a time. Here's how I keep track of cards I swap into other decks. I double sleeve everything. On the smaller inside sleeves, I take a red marker and mark the corner I see when I am flipping through cards in the deck so I can take them out. Things like fetch lands, dual lands, mana crypt, etc are super easy to identify for me without any kind of hassle. Lets me play to the maximum without paying a car price for every deck 😎