this. the idea of this video is great, but Cat 1 vs Cat 5 is too big a difference, especially when the Cat 1 knows racing and 5 doesn't. Great video as always though!
@@nicschne Absolutely. Dude could attack once and then just ride threshold for the rest of the race to win by a large margin. I want to see EJ and two of these guys versus Jeff!
@@timtaylor9590 you are in theory right, I think. I'd bet EJ has better numbers than Jeff at this point, but Jeff is crafty and EJ loves to attack. I doubt EJ would be willing to just sit on Jeff's wheel for the whole race!
Maybe, but the risk is if I really commit 100% to solo and then they execute a well organized chase I might get outsprinted after a late catch by their fresh sprinter. Lot of ifs in there but I still feel like my best chances were to just punish their sloppy technique and keep it together for a field sprint
Definitely agree with the strategy. Never commit more than you need and the safest bet for a sprinter is to hold back and take advantage if possible. If opponents do manage to keep attacking in an organized fashion, then maybe think about GSCY.
@@NorCalCycling but cat 5s have no racing experience and know nothing about drafting , wind, attacking, or any other tactics that only come with years of racing, so they had zero chance. if any them attacked and got clear you could easily have bridged up and won the sprint very easily
@@52daytripper I don't know about that. Videos like Jeff's as well as seeing bike races and hearing commentary mean beginners are increasingly informed on tactics and training. Executing is a different matter, and takes practice, but they do know a lot about them (although that move where the rider pulled through and gave Jeff a turn was definitely wild.) What does make a difference is that Jeff can spike his power very high very quickly to close a gap. A couple of these attacks were strong, but few cat 5s will have the explosive power to match Jeff pushing to close that gap regardless of draft. No teamwork will help hold a draft when you're a cat 5 pushing a threshold effort and the person in front busts out 900w.
I think the big issue here wasn't organization of Team Cat 5, but instead fitness. They tried to attack, but they just didn't have to power to do damage to Jeff. Then they didn't have the power to be able to get back on when the other teammate attacked. I mean a 300w attack for Cat 5 could be 150% of FTP but that's probably around or even below FTP of a Cat 1 rider.
Totally agree! The Cat 5’s don’t have the sustained power to put in a long hard attack and to recover quickly enough to handle a counter attack. Great video! EJ would benefit from these type of challenges.
I would love to see a video about what is the least amount of wattage you can output and win a Cat 5 race. So Jeff if somehow you were allowed to race Cat 5 what's the least amount of effort you could expend, and then compare that to what a beginner rider might be expending. It would also be very interesting to know what's a ballpark minimum ftp you need to be able to hang with Cat 5s.
Serious question. If you're tall (over 6'3") you can't really draft because everyone is smaller than you. So what do taller riders do? What is their strat?
Very interesting. No one has ever set up bike races the way NorCal does. It is a unique perspective and very helpful to any level of racer. You clearly pointed out how important race strategy is…assuming that it was an effective strategy and carried out as designed. This was an easy win because you had just about a full book of matches left while they has used half of theirs.
Really entertaining video. The disparity of experience highlights the strategy points more effectively than a normal race analysis vid. And 100x better than the GCN “3 road cyclists vs 1 TT rider” videos
There is a video of three pros riding against van der Poel on a 6 km „race“. They wanted to do 2-1 attacks, but MvdP just hammered it from the start at 60 kph and they had no chance haha
Love the format. I really enjoy your 1/2/Pro commentaries, but I think they are going to be lost on people new-ish to the sport. So it's really nice to see a video like this one that is much more approachable to people still trying to wrap their heads around all of the conflicting pieces that go into being a successful bike races, vs just being a bike rider.
More of these, please! I’m just getting in to the sport, and you are doing a fantastic job of explaining complex concepts at a level that a beginner can understand. Learned so much from this!
I bike casually for exercise, and stumbled across your channel I guess because I was looking up repair videos - I've enjoyed all of your content, but this one in particular was really great for giving me an understanding of the value of racing teams and the race tactics team racing can introduce. Thanks!!
Interesting video to see how the 5s race. I think we all know that if you wanted to you could easily break away at the start and solo ride the whole thing to win.
Awesome content! I would love to see some progression with the same group of riders to see if they can pull out the W over the course of a couple races. Maybe throw EJ into the mix to help get these riders working together.
For those that want to see this in the Pro Peleton look up the 2001 Paris Roubaix where it was 4v1. Team Domo kept rolling attacks on Hincapie and swept the podium plus 5th place.
I think that the only chance for a win was to pretty much wait for about 1km to go and for 2 riders to drop back 50m or so and then both of them do a co-ordinated attack in a paceline format. They needed to pass with the best part of a 10kmh or high speed difference and use the full width of the road to make it harder to latch on. A couple of turns while at as close to full speed as possible and then the second rider to make their bike as wide as possible to make it hard for Jeff to pass. The attack has to be as hard as possible so that Jeffs sprint has to be extended beyond a few hundred metres.
I suspect on those attacks they'd tell you they _were_ really going for it. You forget us normal folks can't turn a thousand watts on and off like a light switch.
@@DanTuber Yes and no, IIRC Jeff mentioned in the past, that winners might not necessarily have the highest average power in the race. They just race efficiently.
Damn dude. Jeff’s race strategy of saving energy and asking “what am I doing and why am I doing it?” is a total stock trader mentality. Just realized why I’m into this channel even though I don’t race.
that sprinter guy had good idea in his head, he saw Jeff looking away over his left shoulder, and tried to catch him by surprise. Honestly, if it was just 200m and Jeff wasn't well-trained sprinter, he would've had a chance right then and there. fun video, kudos !!
These guys did good. For there 1st “race” they did pretty good to hold it together. At least they didn’t get dropped. Learning how to ride efficiently and effectively takes time. Love these type of vids! I want to start some practice crits here in upstate Ny, trying to find an industrial place like this..did you have to talk to the business owners to clear your bigger group to ride here?
Depends on the circumstances of the race but the short version is no you never have to pull. This might conflict with your chances of getting an individual result though
Having very modest natural ability (despite good training and LOTS of enthusiasm) and spending YEARS as a Cat 4, (and well remembering my days as a Cat 5) I think I am pretty qualified to say that there is NO Cat 1 that would EVER have any problem responding to relentless, constant attacks by Cat 5’s!
This was interesting from a tactics point of view, but realistically you could have ridden away. I spent my first couple years of road cycling, riding with Cat 3+ riders, before getting my license and going to my first Cat 5 crit (I really didn't want to race, but I succumbed to peer pressure). I literally lapped the pack because of the difference between someone who rides 4-6 days a week with 'serious' riders and your average Cat 5 is insurmountable. That was a pack of 30+ riders.
Nice one. Do it again! Now they have learned, let them try again. It has the potential to be great viewing and a great race. Come on, Geoff, get it on!
lol the cat 5 riders headshake is awesome. this was fun to watch. man when i raced crits in 4/5 i wish some cat 1 tought me all this stuff, would of been fun, i just tried to attack and would get destroyed by lap 3 lol
I truly hope they stick to the sport, see from this experience and the analysis you shared with them on the day or now with this vid what and how they can improve upon, and maybe rendez-vous for a rematch when let's say 2 of them, if not all, will have made the jump to cat 4. That would be great !
right from the beginning when I read the title, I knew who was going to win. It was interesting to watch but also very easy to predict how the race will develop. Instead of racing against 3, cat5s you should have doubled the cat5s team. Maybe an Idea for a future Video would be to have 2 cat5s teams of 3-4 Rider against Jeff solo. or 1 cat5 team of 4, a cat3 team of 2-3 rider and Jeff solo again. I think that would be interesting to watch, maybe you like the Idea and have the people to organize something like that.
Great video to show that sometimes it's of great benefit to chase down your team mates. The two guys one-two-ing would have had even less chance of winning in a 1 vs 1 situation.
Experience is also the key here. They should have sit together.. Try to hit... let you close the gap.. and hit back on you. But like you said. They didn't use the sling shot fx. I don't know which cat I am. I do finish rides between 27 and 30 ave km and races between 28 and 31 ave km. I'm 50 years. lol. But I've been racing since my younger years. Good video. Maybe If they have trained or ride together more often, maybe they could have done more damage. Maybe you get the win but with some suffering lol. 🤣 Thanks for sharing man..
Should have done it with a half-lap difference to let them have their own little group/chain-gang as there's no way they were ever going to outrun you even if they attacked repeatedly IMO. I'd love to be proved wrong though.
I liked this video, great content for new racers. This group appears to have a good strategy, but it was poorly implemented. Another strategy I think they could have tried is to get all 3 lined up in front of Jeff, then front guy launches while the other two soft pedal. I'm not sure Jeff would even fall for that even on their first try, certainly not when it becomes their pattern, but I would have at least tried it, especially if there's no monster sprinter with the snap to jump from behind Jeff. The counter for Jeff might be to never let himself be 4th in line.
15:08 It's not about power, but the position and technique could be better, the yellow's sprint was not the most aero, so too much energy was wasted. At a certain point in the race I thought they were attacking his teammates, because he wouldn’t let them recover. 😂 thanks Jeff it was a masterclass, how to get out of a disadvantageous situation. In a no mates Crit.
Besides the fitness, the biggest difference I see in the lower categories vs the P12's is the lower categories are too nice. Cat 5's pull because it's their turn. If you ask someone to bridge a gap, they usually will. In the P12's nobody does anything to help you. They try to hurt you as much as possible. They jump across gaps instead of dragging anyone behind. They get to the front, swing off and basically stop pedaling. I've seen breakaway riders let a cat 5 roll in solo for a win because he did the most pulling in the breakaway. That would NEVER happen in a P12.
It did turn out to be more of an every man for himself race since the cat 5s didn't work together to disclude the cat 1 from the benifit of their draft, nor did they help each other in a sustained and meaningful way.
Without even watching I’d bet the Cat 1 takes it easily. Even if they are fit, beginners are not going to have that snappiness and power, and not enough base to compete with an elite racer. I have raced against people who are now pros, but when they were just starting out they were just okay. It took a couple of seasons to start to build, and then they excelled rapidly.
"What's your strategy?" ... "I'm going to try and cross the finish line first." BRILLIANT! :D So fun to watch. Good stuff. And you're right, lower category racing starts off being about fitness and power, while higher category racing is more about finesse and tactics.
In a way, this is a stunt for youtube, it's designed to boil down bike racing strategy to it's most basics. The race was real, and the vibes are always 100% on shoot/race days 🤘
I think this was just help help the old man’s self esteem because EJ is stealing the thunder. Any cat 1 could solo the whole thing from the beginning. Good teaching for these guys tho to show the difference in cats.
Go solo but then get caught at the end and one of them has a fresh sprint is the danger there. Also I’m hoping Ej keeps winning and steals all the thunder that’s literally the point of couch to crit and the masterclass
Maybe it should have been cat 4 or 3s because these cat 5 just didn't have the speed lol. It was almost like they were going in slow motion when they attacked.
Ain't no way. I "helped" chase Mark Tucker at Pumpkin Valley a few weeks ago with a mix of categories, a masters state champ, and the Vegan Cyclist. I'm pretty sure he took the W. I'm not sure, I wasn't close enough to see the finish.
Its quite simple; the Cat5s cant sustain the same power as you. Peak and sustained power - especially in this small setting - will always win. You could probably have TT'ed off the front from the gun and theyd still not catch you. Do a Cat1 vs 3x Cat3's.
Can you repeat this challenge but add another Cat 5 rider every time you win? That would be hilarious. Jeff vs 19 Cat 5s!!
Or three Cat 4 and then three Cat 3? :)
the dream manhunt approach 😂
I would love to see EJ vs these 3 to see if he can capitalize on what he's learned so far this year.
this. the idea of this video is great, but Cat 1 vs Cat 5 is too big a difference, especially when the Cat 1 knows racing and 5 doesn't. Great video as always though!
EJ will attack drop everyone and then stay away. His ftp is high enough to just solo away
@@nicschne Absolutely. Dude could attack once and then just ride threshold for the rest of the race to win by a large margin.
I want to see EJ and two of these guys versus Jeff!
@@jamese4729 1v1 ej vs jeff, ej would just hold jeff's wheel and out sprint him, if he was smart.
@@timtaylor9590 you are in theory right, I think. I'd bet EJ has better numbers than Jeff at this point, but Jeff is crafty and EJ loves to attack. I doubt EJ would be willing to just sit on Jeff's wheel for the whole race!
It would be really neat to have these 3 racers watch this video and then do a rematch to see how well they're able to implement Jeff's tips.
They’re still not going to be able to come up with enough wattage in beginner legs.
I think the fitness differential was just too big for them to have had a chance. You should do it next with cat 4s
ya maybe we will good call
Love it. Just keep upping the ante.
Great content as always! This type of one vs. many video is fun, especially when well matched. Maybe EJ + another cat 3 vs. Jeff next??
I concur!
Ohh that would be fun good idea, we have more of these in the works 👌
make it happen!😊
I second that
@@NorCalCycling Absolutely need to get EJ and crew vs Cycling Dad aka Jeff
Great video, but the cat 5 team had zero chance. You definitely could have done a solo breakaway from lap one.
fr he barely go into Z3 HR lol
Maybe, but the risk is if I really commit 100% to solo and then they execute a well organized chase I might get outsprinted after a late catch by their fresh sprinter. Lot of ifs in there but I still feel like my best chances were to just punish their sloppy technique and keep it together for a field sprint
Definitely agree with the strategy. Never commit more than you need and the safest bet for a sprinter is to hold back and take advantage if possible. If opponents do manage to keep attacking in an organized fashion, then maybe think about GSCY.
@@NorCalCycling but cat 5s have no racing experience and know nothing about drafting , wind, attacking, or any other tactics that only come with years of racing, so they had zero chance. if any them attacked and got clear you could easily have bridged up and won the sprint very easily
@@52daytripper I don't know about that. Videos like Jeff's as well as seeing bike races and hearing commentary mean beginners are increasingly informed on tactics and training. Executing is a different matter, and takes practice, but they do know a lot about them (although that move where the rider pulled through and gave Jeff a turn was definitely wild.)
What does make a difference is that Jeff can spike his power very high very quickly to close a gap. A couple of these attacks were strong, but few cat 5s will have the explosive power to match Jeff pushing to close that gap regardless of draft. No teamwork will help hold a draft when you're a cat 5 pushing a threshold effort and the person in front busts out 900w.
When you flicked the elbow and he didnt immediately sit up! Love it
I think the big issue here wasn't organization of Team Cat 5, but instead fitness. They tried to attack, but they just didn't have to power to do damage to Jeff. Then they didn't have the power to be able to get back on when the other teammate attacked. I mean a 300w attack for Cat 5 could be 150% of FTP but that's probably around or even below FTP of a Cat 1 rider.
Totally agree! The Cat 5’s don’t have the sustained power to put in a long hard attack and to recover quickly enough to handle a counter attack.
Great video! EJ would benefit from these type of challenges.
I would love to see a video about what is the least amount of wattage you can output and win a Cat 5 race. So Jeff if somehow you were allowed to race Cat 5 what's the least amount of effort you could expend, and then compare that to what a beginner rider might be expending. It would also be very interesting to know what's a ballpark minimum ftp you need to be able to hang with Cat 5s.
first RBC race cat 5's avg 27mph. the last race they avg 24. goes to show the sand bagging
You should repeat this with EJ in place of you, and with you coaching the three amigos.
Good idea
They are not strong enough to "attack" you. They just give a draft. Their attack is just one of your cat 1 teammate going in the front.
Serious question. If you're tall (over 6'3") you can't really draft because everyone is smaller than you. So what do taller riders do? What is their strat?
Very interesting. No one has ever set up bike races the way NorCal does. It is a unique perspective and very helpful to any level of racer. You clearly pointed out how important race strategy is…assuming that it was an effective strategy and carried out as designed. This was an easy win because you had just about a full book of matches left while they has used half of theirs.
Really entertaining video. The disparity of experience highlights the strategy points more effectively than a normal race analysis vid. And 100x better than the GCN “3 road cyclists vs 1 TT rider” videos
There is a video of three pros riding against van der Poel on a 6 km „race“. They wanted to do 2-1 attacks, but MvdP just hammered it from the start at 60 kph and they had no chance haha
this was really good, make more videos like this!
Love the format. I really enjoy your 1/2/Pro commentaries, but I think they are going to be lost on people new-ish to the sport. So it's really nice to see a video like this one that is much more approachable to people still trying to wrap their heads around all of the conflicting pieces that go into being a successful bike races, vs just being a bike rider.
More of these, please! I’m just getting in to the sport, and you are doing a fantastic job of explaining complex concepts at a level that a beginner can understand. Learned so much from this!
Great coaching and tips in this video.
I bike casually for exercise, and stumbled across your channel I guess because I was looking up repair videos - I've enjoyed all of your content, but this one in particular was really great for giving me an understanding of the value of racing teams and the race tactics team racing can introduce. Thanks!!
this was awesome. I love including/ being welcoming to beginners. you should try to do 3 Cat. 1’s vs 1 World Tour rider!
I feel any world tour rider could get a gap and tt to the finish, without breaking a sweat
@@Hill_Walker you'd be surprised, Cat. 1's that focus on Crit riding can really hold their own
Interesting video to see how the 5s race. I think we all know that if you wanted to you could easily break away at the start and solo ride the whole thing to win.
Awesome content! I would love to see some progression with the same group of riders to see if they can pull out the W over the course of a couple races. Maybe throw EJ into the mix to help get these riders working together.
This type of content becomes great training for beginners. Thanks.
Fun concept! Would be cool to see this become Jeff vs. 3xcat 4’s, 3xcat 3’s, 3xcat 2’s.
For those that want to see this in the Pro Peleton look up the 2001 Paris Roubaix where it was 4v1. Team Domo kept rolling attacks on Hincapie and swept the podium plus 5th place.
The fitness difference is too great for even team tactics to work I think
You should do a 3 junior vs 1 cat 1 video
Repeatedly using the tumbleweed barrier maneuver was the game changer… 😁🍻
I think that the only chance for a win was to pretty much wait for about 1km to go and for 2 riders to drop back 50m or so and then both of them do a co-ordinated attack in a paceline format. They needed to pass with the best part of a 10kmh or high speed difference and use the full width of the road to make it harder to latch on. A couple of turns while at as close to full speed as possible and then the second rider to make their bike as wide as possible to make it hard for Jeff to pass. The attack has to be as hard as possible so that Jeffs sprint has to be extended beyond a few hundred metres.
I suspect on those attacks they'd tell you they _were_ really going for it. You forget us normal folks can't turn a thousand watts on and off like a light switch.
I dont think even a whole pack of cat 5s would have been enough.
If they don’t work as a team then I think you’re right
@@NorCalCycling fitness beats tactics, no?
@@DanTuber Yes and no, IIRC Jeff mentioned in the past, that winners might not necessarily have the highest average power in the race. They just race efficiently.
Power output difference is huge from cat1 to cat5, just 5-10min supra threshold effort and there is no way cat5s could catch you even in a ttt mode.
Excellent video. I think you should try this again with slightly more experienced riders, nothing too ridiculous - just see where the limit is 😁
Super cool! I really hope there will be more of these in the future
Damn dude. Jeff’s race strategy of saving energy and asking “what am I doing and why am I doing it?” is a total stock trader mentality. Just realized why I’m into this channel even though I don’t race.
that sprinter guy had good idea in his head, he saw Jeff looking away over his left shoulder, and tried to catch him by surprise. Honestly, if it was just 200m and Jeff wasn't well-trained sprinter, he would've had a chance right then and there. fun video, kudos !!
Nice one Jeff and a fun vlog, hopefully the newbies learned a few valuable lessons out of the experience.
These guys did good. For there 1st “race” they did pretty good to hold it together. At least they didn’t get dropped. Learning how to ride efficiently and effectively takes time. Love these type of vids! I want to start some practice crits here in upstate Ny, trying to find an industrial place like this..did you have to talk to the business owners to clear your bigger group to ride here?
What’s etiquette on the elbow flick from the person pulling, are you obligated to get in front?
Depends on the circumstances of the race but the short version is no you never have to pull. This might conflict with your chances of getting an individual result though
Having very modest natural ability (despite good training and LOTS of enthusiasm) and spending YEARS as a Cat 4, (and well remembering my days as a Cat 5) I think I am pretty qualified to say that there is NO Cat 1 that would EVER have any problem responding to relentless, constant attacks by Cat 5’s!
This was interesting from a tactics point of view, but realistically you could have ridden away. I spent my first couple years of road cycling, riding with Cat 3+ riders, before getting my license and going to my first Cat 5 crit (I really didn't want to race, but I succumbed to peer pressure). I literally lapped the pack because of the difference between someone who rides 4-6 days a week with 'serious' riders and your average Cat 5 is insurmountable. That was a pack of 30+ riders.
Glad to see they didn't wreck off the start line
Nice one. Do it again! Now they have learned, let them try again. It has the potential to be great viewing and a great race. Come on, Geoff, get it on!
lol the cat 5 riders headshake is awesome. this was fun to watch.
man when i raced crits in 4/5 i wish some cat 1 tought me all this stuff, would of been fun, i just tried to attack and would get destroyed by lap 3 lol
Yeah, this effectively hammers the point that strategy is the focal point of racing.
Interesting seeing the difference in training level. You were in Z2 sitting in their draft. I assume these guys will be doing their first race soon?
I truly hope they stick to the sport, see from this experience and the analysis you shared with them on the day or now with this vid what and how they can improve upon, and maybe rendez-vous for a rematch when let's say 2 of them, if not all, will have made the jump to cat 4. That would be great !
More videos like this ! Very entertaining!
yellow needs more of a run, down in the drops and hold it 5-10sec longer. -U10
I love it! Very informative thanks
right from the beginning when I read the title, I knew who was going to win. It was interesting to watch but also very easy to predict how the race will develop. Instead of racing against 3, cat5s you should have doubled the cat5s team.
Maybe an Idea for a future Video would be to have 2 cat5s teams of 3-4 Rider against Jeff solo.
or 1 cat5 team of 4, a cat3 team of 2-3 rider and Jeff solo again.
I think that would be interesting to watch, maybe you like the Idea and have the people to organize something like that.
Very cool. Great training for them
Great video to show that sometimes it's of great benefit to chase down your team mates. The two guys one-two-ing would have had even less chance of winning in a 1 vs 1 situation.
A better test would be to have three Cat 3's who are usually mid-pack finishers.
Experience is also the key here. They should have sit together.. Try to hit... let you close the gap.. and hit back on you. But like you said. They didn't use the sling shot fx. I don't know which cat I am. I do finish rides between 27 and 30 ave km and races between 28 and 31 ave km. I'm 50 years. lol. But I've been racing since my younger years.
Good video. Maybe If they have trained or ride together more often, maybe they could have done more damage. Maybe you get the win but with some suffering lol. 🤣
Thanks for sharing man..
So fun to watch and a lot to learn !
Love this video. Need EJ and the 3 cat 5s for next challenge.
Should have done it with a half-lap difference to let them have their own little group/chain-gang as there's no way they were ever going to outrun you even if they attacked repeatedly IMO. I'd love to be proved wrong though.
We have a similar idea in the works, stay tuned 🤘
Not a fair fight.
I loved this video. Very educational.
I liked this video, great content for new racers. This group appears to have a good strategy, but it was poorly implemented. Another strategy I think they could have tried is to get all 3 lined up in front of Jeff, then front guy launches while the other two soft pedal. I'm not sure Jeff would even fall for that even on their first try, certainly not when it becomes their pattern, but I would have at least tried it, especially if there's no monster sprinter with the snap to jump from behind Jeff. The counter for Jeff might be to never let himself be 4th in line.
15:08 It's not about power, but the position and technique could be better, the yellow's sprint was not the most aero, so too much energy was wasted. At a certain point in the race I thought they were attacking his teammates, because he wouldn’t let them recover. 😂
thanks Jeff it was a masterclass, how to get out of a disadvantageous situation. In a no mates Crit.
Good strategy, not the best execution. But maybe they just aren't strong enough to hurt him anyway. Just shows the strength of a CAT 1 rider.
Tremendous commentary!
really cool video!! Keep'em coming!
whats with the out of the saddle on the hoods about? indoor number geeks?
Besides the fitness, the biggest difference I see in the lower categories vs the P12's is the lower categories are too nice. Cat 5's pull because it's their turn. If you ask someone to bridge a gap, they usually will. In the P12's nobody does anything to help you. They try to hurt you as much as possible. They jump across gaps instead of dragging anyone behind. They get to the front, swing off and basically stop pedaling. I've seen breakaway riders let a cat 5 roll in solo for a win because he did the most pulling in the breakaway. That would NEVER happen in a P12.
to be fair. Do not use their dreafts. To call this 1vs 3 you have to ride alone and they can ride as a group.
It did turn out to be more of an every man for himself race since the cat 5s didn't work together to disclude the cat 1 from the benifit of their draft, nor did they help each other in a sustained and meaningful way.
Good video 👍. Thanks
Without even watching I’d bet the Cat 1 takes it easily. Even if they are fit, beginners are not going to have that snappiness and power, and not enough base to compete with an elite racer. I have raced against people who are now pros, but when they were just starting out they were just okay. It took a couple of seasons to start to build, and then they excelled rapidly.
Would love a video with positive examples. Massive sling shot attacks destroying the group, clean cornering, etc.
"What's your strategy?" ... "I'm going to try and cross the finish line first." BRILLIANT! :D So fun to watch. Good stuff. And you're right, lower category racing starts off being about fitness and power, while higher category racing is more about finesse and tactics.
Well said!
Awesome video as allways
I think a rematch is in order. Now that this video is out for them to see what they did wrong, let's see if they learned anything.
This is a good video. It's got that "stunt we did for youtube" appeal, but without all that GCN fluff.
In a way, this is a stunt for youtube, it's designed to boil down bike racing strategy to it's most basics. The race was real, and the vibes are always 100% on shoot/race days 🤘
Do you think you can solo TT the whole race ?
I'm sure that he could, against Cat 5's.
Such a great video. Tactics would have really helped them. But the race experience you have, you’d need a mountain bike for them to stand a chance 😆
Haven't seen it yet but I would "zwift" it: full gas for 45 seconds than TT solo to the finish line. But what fun would that be?
After watching: they did a really good job for CAT 5, your level of tactics is going to overcome a lot of different scenarios like this. Good video.
don't even to have to watch the whole video to know who wins
Was Youtubing the different types of hurricanes and ended here. Now I wanna be a crit racer.
I think this was just help help the old man’s self esteem because EJ is stealing the thunder. Any cat 1 could solo the whole thing from the beginning. Good teaching for these guys tho to show the difference in cats.
Go solo but then get caught at the end and one of them has a fresh sprint is the danger there. Also I’m hoping Ej keeps winning and steals all the thunder that’s literally the point of couch to crit and the masterclass
@@NorCalCycling I think even in that situation you could easily outsprint their protected rider
ya maybe, but chances are better if i just try to keep it together instead of going solo
My man is smurfin'
what are those bars at 2:08, they look sick!
I'm so stressed at the screen with all off them being on the tops.... even on the front x.x
Couple clips missing luts
This is better than GCNs five road bikes vs one TT rider
SAG truck couldn't get rid of that tumbleweed?
Maybe it should have been cat 4 or 3s because these cat 5 just didn't have the speed lol. It was almost like they were going in slow motion when they attacked.
Tactically this reminds me of Jumbo Visma vs Pogacar in tour de france last year when Tadej was getting one to punched to no end.
Quickstep vs Stannard in omloop a couple of years back (i think thats the right race)
That’s the one, I’ll never forget 👌
I think these 3 will be twice the rider that they currently are just by the lessons learned in this one race
wow. textbook lesson!
Ain't no way. I "helped" chase Mark Tucker at Pumpkin Valley a few weeks ago with a mix of categories, a masters state champ, and the Vegan Cyclist. I'm pretty sure he took the W. I'm not sure, I wasn't close enough to see the finish.
Where’s the soloist? On the tcr?
Its quite simple; the Cat5s cant sustain the same power as you. Peak and sustained power - especially in this small setting - will always win. You could probably have TT'ed off the front from the gun and theyd still not catch you.
Do a Cat1 vs 3x Cat3's.
Dude it’s all about the fitness difference. You could ride all 3 of them off your wheel
I was hoping the Cat 5s' unspoken Plan B was for the two attackers to box Jeff in at 300-500m and let their designated sprinter get a head start....
That trailer on the side looks dangerous you guys gotta put a net or smth
I can't believe he fell for the elbow trick!
How did you find three Cat 5s that have never watched your videos to race against? Bring on the Cat 4s!