Can you BUY your First Win? (Racing a $2,000 Bike vs $10,000 Bike)
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Man! Mitchell is a great character to add to NorCal Cycling! He has huge personality but was really genuine. I hope he comes back on
Yes! Quite the flamboyant character. More Mitch please! 😉👍🏻
MITCH PLZ!
Well the problem is that cheap bikes are every bit as good as more expensive ones on flat ground. The weight makes some difference but that is only important in the start which generally doesn't make any difference at the finish. The difference between my 2018 Trek Emonda and my Trek Alpha 1.5 is 1 1/2 lb. There is more chance of someone slowing you in the pack than that 1 1/2 lb making enough difference to notice. You can claim that racing is all a matter of minor improvements but that sure as hell isn't the case at Alviso or the Oakland Crits where the winner normally wins by a large margin and not a hair's breath in a sprint. What does make a difference? Training and treamwork. You can convince yourself that buying the best bike money can buy proves your commitment but then what do you say when someone on a steel Tommasini drops you? Plus you can be a clearly superior rider and have a bad day. Need we mention Evenepoal? Race crits to have fun and not to empty your bank account. If you're really good you can get a sponsor to pay for the best bike money can buy.
Thanks Jeff and EJ for helping my boy out you have no idea how excited he was for this much love. Velo Kings vs Norcal video sometime soon. It would be huge
Raced against this guy a few months ago at Pine Flat RR. He was wearing AirPod pros. He went for a 30-mile solo break, blew up before reaching the bottom of the second to last climb, and fishtailed around in the road dramatically gasping for air when the bunch caught him, letting everyone know that he was the most heroic cat 4. Not even the Beast Mode workout playlist on Spotify could propel Mitchell to victory that day.
Airpod pros in a race? :-/
mitch is a legend
How tf can you even tell they are air pod pros when you’re in a race lol
@@neoneherefrom5836 Eyes
"He was wearing Airpod pros" wtf does that have to do w anything?😂 Weirdo
How was the bike
Mitchell: swoosh 😂😂
Mitchell makes road cycling fun!
Gatorskins are sooooo sloooow and the performance is so noticeable especially under hard braking in the mountains. Huge difference between hardshells and up to date GP5000s
And are death traps in the wet.
Mitchell is wayyy too funny hahahha
love that guy
Such a good comparison very good content.
Mitch is a beast love the attitude and you can tell he truly enjoys cycling.
The most informative video you’ve ever made Jeff. I’ve learned a ton today you have answered a lot of my questions
Thank you!! glad to help
I still have my BMC Teammachine SLR02 from 8 years ago and still ride it today, albeit as a 'winter' bike. You can really pick up an incredible older setup to get into cycling, which is great as modern bike costs can make the sport seem less accessible. I recently repainted and refreshed my BMC & put together a short film on my channel covering the process and a bit of it and mine's history. Shiny things are nice to have, but more importantly ride whatever you want and enjoy it!
Loving that Blue Steel from Mitch sitting on the Trek 😆
I’d love to see what would happen with an actual entry level bike with the Tiagra group set.
Nothing. No difference. I had exactly the same BMC teammaschine with Tiagra groupset (And FSA Gosammer crankset - swiss edition had these) and ultegra di2. The job of the drivetrain is to change gears when you need it. And Tiagra did just that with butter smooth precision.
I have tiagra and its great
i have a road bike from a long time ago running tiagra 4600. still functions really well today. is it as fast as the newer groupsets? or tolerant to shifting under load? no. but is it as precise as today? yes - if you index it well, it'll perform great.
@@chickenpoodle yes it is functionally fine for riding, can you race with it at a high level against those who have higher end drive trains is the question.
@@michadebicki6534 you’re nuts if you think the only thing separating ultegra di2 and tiagra is weight.
I would like to see what the difference would be if you just upgraded the tires on the BMC.
wheels and tires
Mitchell Neal is my guy! Rock on brother.
Hi gang. I raced for Team Colavita on the pro circuit. I’ll tell you this. Bikes do make a difference. Some bikes I raced on I struggled hated them. My favorite bikes Cervelo SLC-SL and the Cannondale Evo himod. Fuji Sl1 was also great, Tyler Hamilton’s favorite.
Definitely love the comparison!
I'd love to see a cheap second hand budget Endurance bike (around the $2000, Ultegra/Force Disc Groupset) like a 2018/2019 Canyon Endurace VS a modern all-out Aero Road Bike (Dura-ace/Red Groupset) like a 2022/2023 Canyon Aeroad on a mixed elevation course.
That Felt was the coolest bike you've had by far, bring back the rim brakes!
I'd love to see that Trek Madone vs the Winspace aero bike w/ Lun hyper wheels. 10k bike vs 4k or whatever the difference that would be once it is group set upped.
you pay for that fat sticker that says trek.
The exact bike you describe won that day. Ultimately the specific bike makes a very small contribution after you pick the low-hanging fruit like tires, race fit jersey, fit, etc.)
Yeah, surprised there are like 100 comments and only one that calls out the Winspace bike love shown on the video.
A comparison of two races iro of kJ and when it was performed can be a nice strategic analysis of the race. Maybe in total it is near but you need to know when to push harder. 🤓
Mitchell is hilarious, what a character, you guys have an epic community.
Mainly here as wanted to see price change in performance, I build my own bikes for 4k but similar spec and weight bike produced is often like 7-8k, also going by Trek Emonda SLR 9 AXS I can build a spec just as good for 3k less than already built using same groupset and frame
TPC is the CarMax of cycling. You pay a little more, but you know exactly what you are getting and that's pretty awesome IMO.
That's my boy Mitchie
I couldn't be prouder of him
Great video....I am a big fan of The Pro's Closet. I picked-up my 2022 Pinarello Prince this past year from there and got a really great deal and it was in basically new condition. I have made many purchases through them and have been 100% satisfied every time.
You can definitely buy speed. I motopace my fast friends on my ebike all the time!
Man do I remember staring at that 2010 Dogma in the bike shop window, those curves were mind blowing at the time. Might not be the latest and greatest anymore but she's still a beauty.
I'm with ya. I still ride Campy, but on 12 speed mechanical. I just can't get away from the lure of it or an Italian frameset. Nothing else will do, ha.
I saw the green Madone on TPC, that paint job is pretty recognizable.
Wait, Jeff got 2nd riding Gatorskins?! Mind blown 🤯 considering they're one of the slowest tires out there
Schwalbe Marathon Plus has entered the chat
Marginalized gains only provide marginal gains broski
Spoiler alert...
@@n8torious309 These tires are not “marginal gains”, bro they cost upwards of 40-60 watts at 50kph!
@@konigsegg_1to1 at 80psi a 25mm Gatorskin is 8.8w higher than GP4K, so max 16w in optimal test conditions. oh but let me know how often you're riding at 50km/h
When I started as a Cat 5 I was tempted to buy a new caadX. The brakes sucked the bike was sluggish and heavy. Luckily I came across a Mares CX with tubular HED wheels and SRAM force 1x from the pros closet for the same price. It was so much faster and I'm convinced it played a big role in me reaching Cat 2 within a single season.
Now, TPC's prices are insane.
“the Pinarello is working” 😂
"$10k? Actually you know what my bike is actually still good."
Oh god do I know that feeling. I learned to never ride anything not in my tax bracket. 😝
What I love about this sport is that you totally can get 90% of the performance with 20% of the cost. Amazing! Try doing that with expensive sports cars!
Who was the rider on the Winspace?
I have a $2k Trek Domane AL5, and I love it! I'm not fast or anything, but I cycle a lot and it's been amazing for me! That being said, I'd like to go on one of my common routes and see how I would do on a really amazing, expensive bike. So if you're in Austin, and have a fancy 54 to lend me, hit me up! LUL
No difference. I did the jump from 2k bike to 6k bike and besides the bling factor almost all of the perfomrance values stayed the same. Sure i pedaled so hard after I made a pucharse to justify the money spent in my eyes... But when the things settled I noticed that I was riding at the exactly same speed doing exactly the same wattage output. Maybe the expensive bike is slightly, but slightly more lively during hard accelerations but the difference is so small that it doesn't matter.
There is me looking at going Trek Emonda ALR AXS for £6k (estimate) yes I know SLR (red axs) be £9k but ALR allow me to make bike weigh 7.8kg when include axs dropper post
There was at least one Domane in this video!
@@kidsafe where was that? Issue I got when he got a Trek, I am like what version?
I Ride a, 98 5200 series, with Matrix V shaped wheels and I average 27 MPH on Flat Roads Riding with my Brother on his 06 TCR LIMITED.
You need to try a set of our Pitbull bike pedals we would recommend the lightweight Kom for sure:-)
Going from old skinny 10-15 year old rims to a wide internal width wheel makes cornering feel totally different. May need a new front fork like I did. 😉
Great video, thank you all.
If you raced that BMC on those Gatorskins, you got bigger stones than me. Those things slide out if they even see a drop of water.
Mitchell is the best
Liquid ketones are like the Malört of the cycling world. I think EJ gives them to everyone just to get their reaction to the taste 🤮😂
Could it be that not being in the draft had a bigger impact within those 100 watts. I wonder if you could estimate that. Is it not plausible you felt less snappy because of how much more the professional rider in front of you was? Is there any way to compare "in wind time"? How much of the gap in watts do you think would be covered by deep section wheels and tires?
100% the biggest factor in that sprint was his ability to jump and get a gap. if i had the ability to quickly get into his draft that was my shot at beating him. part of that has to do with aerodynamic and light equipment, but most of it has to do with fitness and race awareness.
I've gotten two bikes from Pros Closet and both were fantastic.
Do you think Emonda SL6 pro 2022 is a race winning bike? Just bought one!
IMO unless you are going semi or full pro the higher costing bikes wont give you that much ROI. Building a good foundation with training will always be better. I feel like after thr $5000 cost you wont see much return.
Hey Jeff, would you be reviewing the redland classic that your team came in 2nd?
yes, probably, so much cool content in the pipeline rn 🤘
@@NorCalCycling cool looking forward to it
WE NEED TO POINT OUT YOU GOT SECOND ON A 2K BIKE WITH STREET TIRES !! ALSO AINT NOTHING WROND WITH AN OLD DOGMA certainly looks better than the TREK !!
love it. 10 years ago I was very successful as a Master/Cat 4 riding an $800 bike. I *loved* beating guys riding $10k bikes.
Sweet vid!
Anyone know which glasses Jeff is wearing at the start ~32sec mark
rapha
an aero set of wheels and new tires on the BMC would transform it.
definitely
Race tyres are hughe upgrades I upgraded mine latley and it transformed my bike
Link to the civilian version of that blue and white aerosuit?
I’ve bought two bikes from Pros Closet and been nothing but happy with the transactions!
I've looked at their website. The prices seem to be a bit high, especially since they are mostly selling used bikes.
@@geraldtone5914 I would agree I paid a touch more than surfing Craigslist but for both I needed them quick and a few clicks online and it showed up at my house. No dealing with people lying and no hidden faults. And no dealing with driving to get it or some shady shop doing a bad job packaging.
Randomly bought myself a 2015 Felt F1 just for fun for $800 and actually loving it. I will probably die as it is rim brake 😂😂😂
you won't die, rim brakes can stop on a dime.
Those tires are for commuting, not even training. They didn’t hold you back in the sprint any more than the shallow wheels did, but they def wore you down over the course of the race. Anyone who says they were a minor matter is pretty far off target. They were costing a pretty hefty percentage of effort, and doing it all the time, unlike aero drag stuff, which waxes and wanes based on your exposure.
and I’ll add, friends don’t let friends ride Gatorskins. Except for the apocalypse, when every last Gatorskin ever made and cockroaches will be all that are left.
Wow that BMC is a great deal
Hey I just want to order that norcal cycling kit!
yaaaaasssss we're working out the details of the final designs/colors. this is one of the early samples, stay tuned!!
@@NorCalCycling skinsuits, too...right? ;)
Wheels cassete crankset this is the most important if you want to race trust me if you put 53 teeth crankset and 11-23 teeth cassete in 2000 budget bike it will be significantly faster than the 10.000 bike
If you want to know how much difference the equipment makes, just ask professional wedding photographers
What’s the Strava plug in called?
sauce
That's a lot of tabs you got open there
that's about normal for me, my life is chaos lol
Weird seeing my bike as the “cheap entry level” bike.. good to know I don’t NEED a new super bike, but it doesn’t stop me from wanting one.
How is steel not good for the flats?
heavy and flexy. If carbon is too expensive check out aluminum options.
Hello Jefe 🤠 do you mind sharing the link to the spicy ketones
I dropped the link in the description, thanks for the reminder!
We need those links, where can we get a "pair" of race tires for $100? lol. I know you just misspoke...funny though!
Some good deals out there. I just scored some GP5000 S TR for $52/ea and no sales tax. I’d share the link but don’t want to give up my source 🤐
Bike Closet has GP5K S TRs for $55. They have Schwalbe Pro One TTs for like $40.
The placebo effect is real. 😅
absolutely!! and cool equipment motivates more riding, which turns into more fitness
Does the Pro’s Closet make sure the bike isn’t going to crack because the top tube, or any other tube, had an issue? I’m not trying to be funny, I know the question is a bit rudely asked, but could be an opportunity to highlight your sponsor
But you can buy coaching and then buy equipment to motivate you to put the effort into getting faster 😆
Gotta normalize those audio levels!
Surprising high price for second hand bike.
I'm betting the main difference is in the wheels.
The real question should be - does camera bra might slow you down, Jeff? 😂
I sold my bikes to the pros closet
Come one Pro's Closet! You didn't give him the bike after all that?
You must be fit, you can win on a 2 thousand dollar bike if your in great shape
appreciate the compliment, but maybe equipment just doesnt' matter as much as ppl think it does
i reckon if Mitch had 2x keto shots he would have won for sure.
its really half equipment, half keto shots.
its actually has nothing to do with training or fitness
If Watts/Kg rules the race, then Dude's/Sec dominates the video...
what glasses does he have, they look so nice !
Pit Vipers
They do, but my girl just refunded her pair of self darkening pit vipers because her eyes and parts of the frame reflect on the inside of the glasses. Was quite annoying
category 3 but looks category pro
The sad part is that 10K is not even enough anymore to buy a new super bike 😂
Depends how you go about it, for example Trek Emonda SLR 9 AXS, I can build it for 3k less than RRP and probably with custom paint design too
Jeff , whats your height?
new bikes really are just terrible value (kind of like cars) and I can really imagine why light climbing bikes aren't selling as well nowadays as aero bikes, because you can just buy a 10 yrs old climbing bike with mechanical ultegra for around 1200-1500$
What's that Strava plugin?
it's called sauce
Thanks
Putting new better tires and maybe carbon wheels would improve your experience
my budget is only 500 :( . but I rule on the town and women veryn is slower me. :D
Spouler: you can't.
I DNFd my first race and if I had the best bike and skinsuit, it wouldn't make up for my lack of skill and power.
It just feels good to ride on a good bike
now do a lap on the old bike and a lap on the new bike, now put the same wheels on and see what we get..
ya i'm tempted to do some A vs B testing on equipment, appreciate the suggestion, get subbed - more content like this on the way!!
@@NorCalCycling Thanks, A vs B is where it is at!
PLS UPLOAD AT 60FPS
Equipment means everything, don't be fooled.
correlation does not imply causation
Well...the 2000 USD couldnt win the crit...but beat the 10000 USD bike
Why shouldn't you race Titanium?
The trek madone is a very good crit bike but the price man, its simply not worth 10000$ they are only charging that much cause they’ve done consumer research and know that people will still buy it.
Jeff, Why would you prefer disk brakes?
they brake better especially in extreme conditions. other than the crash avoidance stuff, it also makes you faster bc the longer you can delay braking into a corner the faster you'll be.
So basically I can spend $11,009.99 and still lose. Got it 😊
Can tell you from experience you cannot buy wins :|
If you can win on a 10k bike you will also win on a 2k bike. But when you getting into a class where all guys having a 400w ftp, the bike will carry you due to marginal gains. So money will matter
@@laurenz323 "But when you getting into a class where all guys having a 400w ftp" - you won't
Best tires and wheels you can afford, then a good helmet/glasses/skinsuit/socks and shoes. Last whatever frame and components that fits you and are cheap to replace. Di2 if possible. And take off that damned framebag ffs lmao.
If only Jeff had faster tires. 😢
single best bang for the buck performance upgrade if you're coming from something like gatorskins
5:40 I would've had to do the same
Nice video, but I hope you don't go down the GCN pathway where everything is sponsored and you can't trust what they say anymore.
brothers, you flip off security cameras,, not people holding cameras filming.