If Rudeus had never been born, that poor poor girl would have suffered an eternity of the most horrific fates, over and over and over and over and over and over..…… 😢
Can I ask something, is she put Rudy and Nanahoshi intentionally on that Time? And is she also sent Nanahoshi directly to Orsted so Nanahoshi can stop Rudy from dying by Orsted?
@@InstanRamen She intentionally pulled in Nanahoshi, Rudy slipped in as she forcibly altered causality as reality cracked under the effort. It would not have happened without both that proximity and him being just a soul either.
The author did in one of his blogpost say what happens to Aisha in a loop without Rudeus and supposedly Aisha attends school in Roa and shows her talents there (she is a natural genius). Is discovered by the Asuran magic division, becomes a member and makes great progress in magical knowledge for Asura even though she has no motivation for it, marries a subordinate who is 10 years younger and has one child.
Yeah, AFAIK Rifujin confirmed Aisha is the magic Knight in the miko's timeline, but I've never found proof of that (obviously it's hard to find Japanese Q&A answers if you can't search in Japanese) so I have only really talked about it in Aisha's video because I don't want to spread stuff I'm not even sure is right lol
I think Sylphy and Roxy are a couple in the world without rudy, it makes sense since they’re more comfortable with polyamory than eris plus they’re both still living for decades after rudeus dies maybe they’ll get together in the sequel. I also theorise that that eris marriage to Luke is just political, probably unconsummated. Do you think we’ll see the Hero that Lara replaced in the sequel? The hero from the original loops I mean.
To me, what's most interesting , is whether or not Orsted can defeat Hitogami at all without Rudeus's impact on the world (especially since him and his descendents don't get effected by neither Orsted's curse or Hitogami's charm)
@@DarkMagicGoji Well the problem is that allying with that child is nearly impossible if it isn't Rudy and Roxy's child. Rudy's bloodline just like him is immune to Orsteds Curse that causes all beings of this world to fear him.
I think eventually he would, but Rudeus changes things in his favor a lot, even though at first he actually hurts his chances by forcing him to use up a lot of mana. I don't think Lara is as significant as people think. I think she'll be more a prophet than a warrior.
So this is the story MT haters want. Didn’t know they wanted to have Orsted suffer so much, lol. Jokes aside, personally I'm curious if Rudeus and Nanahoshi are now apart of the loop. I'd assume they would be trapped in it as well, like pouring a cup of water into an lake, while it was a foreign entity at one point its now apart of it. I guess that would depend on what Rijujin wants.
Both Rudeus and Orsted assume Rudeus would cease to exist if Orsted dies before defeating HItogami. My best guess is that's correct. The teleportation incident was perpetrated by the blessed child in the future, but she isn't in a recurring loop and I doubt Orsted's time loop extends to our world either, the teleportation incident starts outside of Orsted's loop, therefore it can only happen once.
yeah your both correct on that. I'm fairly sure this loop is the last it was just an idea swimming in my head as a what if. Like it, they did persist after a loop. Would they also have their memories, or would that restart as well? They don't abide by the rules of the world in some areas, so where would the resistance end? Questions that will never be answered but are fun to think about.
@@theboneman7379 nope the person that summoned them lost her powers so even if orsted reset and everything happens the same the person that summoned them wouldn't be able to do it also rudeus is technically an accident and they don't always occur twice you also have to factor in the orsted and hitogami are constantly changing the timeline weather that be directly or indirectly you could argue all this occur because of orsted and hitogami
Rudeus is important for this world he is part of. Silphy would have gone down a dark road. Roxy wouldn't have had any purpose in her long drawn out life. Eris would have been minecrafted in Demon World after the Displacement event. Man with Green Hair would have faced discrimination without anyone helping him.
Spoiler below.... The Displacement incident never happens when Rudeus is not reincarnated into the world. The Displacement incident is a result of Rudeus being in that world. Why is that the case? Read all of mushoku tensei to find out! In a world without Rudeus: Eris lives a normal life and is happy. Roxy never finds her soul mate and probably dies in a labyrinth. Sylphy becomes an apprentice to Roxy and joins her on her labyrinth explorations and probably dies with Roxy.
Reading the "side" manga of "Roxy gets serious" (yes, i know, i need to read the text, but if i start i'll read until it's done. And i want to sleep.) - it's nice to see how he influences Roxy to reflect on her own behavior towards her teacher and try to improve herself. And it's also nice to see that, despite all - a single persons life can influence oh so much more than we can see at first glance.
Well... we don't know how devoted Roxy would've been, so it's hard to say whether Eris is the most devoted or not. Because with Roxy around Rudy probably couldn't ever get that bad, which is understandable. Roxy best girl. I think it's interesting to look at a world without Rudy, but with Nanahoshi and everything else. Really puts into perspective how important he is to that specific time loop. I wonder if Orsted would've just given up on that loop after a few years, as Nanahoshi really didn't impact the world too much, and the teleportation itself killed a lot of people and would've killed more without Rudy, including Ariel by extension.
I thought without rudeus nanahoshi wouldn't be summoned? Because it was thanks to him changing the world that allowed the summoning to succeed because one person isn't strong enough to change the fate of the world
@@NatalieXHunter I heard people theorize if he never left Buena village the teleportation incident wouldn't have occurred also I was referring to the person that summoned nanahoshi when referring to one person can't change the world
@@jokeing7 Spoiler about the epilogue if you haven't seen it yet. The post epilogue clarifies that it wasn't Rudeus' reincarnation, but the rewind Miko who was trying to save Nanahoshi's friend that fate was fighting against. When she was attempting to send him back she brought over Nanahoshi and Rudy's soul accidentally passed through the rift from Miko's battle with fate.
@@NatalieXHunter Cliff I can imagine settling down with other people; But Lise I really cannot. Cliff is the only one I can think of that could treat her as he does and actually convince her to work out her trauma with him. OK to be fair I think Tal might be able to also but he does not seem like the type to step up and admit feelings... and well Lise is dense in the right ways to never consider Tal in the first place in a serious way. I see him as completely uninterested in relationships or into Lise and being silent about it. I just cannot see Tal as gay or Bi.
I'm curious what would happen if there's future loops. Now that Rudy's soul is in that world would he continue to be born even without the mass teleportation incident? Would looping back to before he exists shunt him into another universe and have him reborn with 2 lifetimes of memories?
If orsted reset another loop rudeus would go back to being a corpse in that traffic accident he wouldn't be reborn because the person that summoned nanahoshi lost all her powers and rudeus situation is technically an accident they only way rudeus could beat a rest of the loop is to learn reincarnation magic and time magic
I'm still curious.. how is Luicillia immune to Orsted's curse to make her a "very close friend" of Orsted? By all intents and purposes, there should be nothing about her that makes her immune. I have questions xD
Probably the same way Eris stopped being scared of Ruijerd and Sylphie & Roxy losing their fear of Orsted when Rudy died Interacting with the cursed person enough will weaken the curse's effect and eventually make it go away completely
We don't really know, she's still a baby in Redundancy and in Orsted's past meetings with her it isn't explained. With the Superd having a similar curse to Orsted it could be something like that, where it doesn't affect people who both have it.
6:06 "Orsted remembers Aisha" I feel like this is a slip up by the author. If Rudeus wasn't necessary to save Lilia and Aisha then it severely diminishes the importance of that moment in the story, it would have been way cooler if Orsted only remembered Paul having one daughter.
I disagree. An actions value is not dimished by the fact that it might have been ultimately unnessecary. It would, however, have greatly dimished the character of Zenith, if she had condemmed Aisha (and Lillia) the almost certain death for Pauls mistake. We don't know how Zenith was convinced to accept them in the other loops. It is perfectly possible, that it took more time (or seeing Aisha as a baby while still beeing affected by her own pregnancy with Norn) to change her mind and let them stay.
I don't think it does. It changes how Lilia views things, which is relevant in the story, but the fact people *think* Rudy persuaded Zenith is the reason for that. Zenith doesn't seem like someone who'd send her friend to her death either pregnant or with a baby, so it's easy to believe she'd have made that decision without Rudy, but WITH Rudy, Lilia thinks she and Aisha owe their lives to him.
I said she was the only *person* to stand by him (even though in that loop he constantly rejects her help), not the only one of his wives. Obviously Roxy didn't have a chance and Sylphy might have forgiven him if she'd survived, so we can't say whether they would have ultimately shown the same devotion, but it's clear from how the writer shows Eris following him around (even though in this timeline she's not his wife and he ends up doing horrible things) that it's meant to show how devoted she becomes in loops where she meets him.
I'm a simple man. I see a Nat vid. I hit like. I watch through. I rewatch.
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If Rudeus had never been born, that poor poor girl would have suffered an eternity of the most horrific fates, over and over and over and over and over and over..…… 😢
It's a shame she never could thank him in person due to well... time gap between his death and her birth.
Can I ask something, is she put Rudy and Nanahoshi intentionally on that Time?
And is she also sent Nanahoshi directly to Orsted so Nanahoshi can stop Rudy from dying by Orsted?
@@InstanRamen She intentionally pulled in Nanahoshi, Rudy slipped in as she forcibly altered causality as reality cracked under the effort. It would not have happened without both that proximity and him being just a soul either.
The author did in one of his blogpost say what happens to Aisha in a loop without Rudeus and supposedly Aisha attends school in Roa and shows her talents there (she is a natural genius). Is discovered by the Asuran magic division, becomes a member and makes great progress in magical knowledge for Asura even though she has no motivation for it, marries a subordinate who is 10 years younger and has one child.
Yeah, AFAIK Rifujin confirmed Aisha is the magic Knight in the miko's timeline, but I've never found proof of that (obviously it's hard to find Japanese Q&A answers if you can't search in Japanese) so I have only really talked about it in Aisha's video because I don't want to spread stuff I'm not even sure is right lol
This got my brain thinking about what if that was re zero and subaru was never transported
almost everyone dies early and probably no candidate would be left for the plot to progress any further and the world decays faster unto it's end
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I think Sylphy and Roxy are a couple in the world without rudy, it makes sense since they’re more comfortable with polyamory than eris plus they’re both still living for decades after rudeus dies maybe they’ll get together in the sequel.
I also theorise that that eris marriage to Luke is just political, probably unconsummated.
Do you think we’ll see the Hero that Lara replaced in the sequel? The hero from the original loops I mean.
Roxy and Sylphie, the loops tell us that they were 'very good friends'
THEY WERE ROOMMATES!
@@GabeSweetMan ohmigosh they were roomates
Friends indeed, considering it's never even remotely implied that there's anything romantic in there
@@cybersoul2809 I will advocate for RoxySilphy harder than Fujos advocate for BakuDeku and SasuNaru
@@Dialga9187 good for you, I guess
Babe wake up, new video from Nat just dropped
its always interesting the topic ya do thank you for this
To me, what's most interesting , is whether or not Orsted can defeat Hitogami at all without Rudeus's impact on the world (especially since him and his descendents don't get effected by neither Orsted's curse or Hitogami's charm)
if orsted can find a way that roxy gives birth to a certain child and ally with said child, only then can he defeat hitogami
@@DarkMagicGoji Well the problem is that allying with that child is nearly impossible if it isn't Rudy and Roxy's child. Rudy's bloodline just like him is immune to Orsteds Curse that causes all beings of this world to fear him.
@@jukesdtj656 yeah that's why we sympathize with orsted, dude has it rough
I think eventually he would, but Rudeus changes things in his favor a lot, even though at first he actually hurts his chances by forcing him to use up a lot of mana. I don't think Lara is as significant as people think. I think she'll be more a prophet than a warrior.
@@DarkMagicGoji Tbh I wanna see a funny gag with said individual sporting dual pistols fighting "god".
I loved the video before it even started
So this is the story MT haters want. Didn’t know they wanted to have Orsted suffer so much, lol.
Jokes aside, personally I'm curious if Rudeus and Nanahoshi are now apart of the loop. I'd assume they would be trapped in it as well, like pouring a cup of water into an lake, while it was a foreign entity at one point its now apart of it. I guess that would depend on what Rijujin wants.
the current timeline is probably the last loop for orsted and the one where hitogami is finally defeated
Both Rudeus and Orsted assume Rudeus would cease to exist if Orsted dies before defeating HItogami.
My best guess is that's correct.
The teleportation incident was perpetrated by the blessed child in the future, but she isn't in a recurring loop and I doubt Orsted's time loop extends to our world either, the teleportation incident starts outside of Orsted's loop, therefore it can only happen once.
yeah your both correct on that. I'm fairly sure this loop is the last it was just an idea swimming in my head as a what if. Like it, they did persist after a loop. Would they also have their memories, or would that restart as well? They don't abide by the rules of the world in some areas, so where would the resistance end? Questions that will never be answered but are fun to think about.
@@theboneman7379 nope the person that summoned them lost her powers so even if orsted reset and everything happens the same the person that summoned them wouldn't be able to do it also rudeus is technically an accident and they don't always occur twice you also have to factor in the orsted and hitogami are constantly changing the timeline weather that be directly or indirectly you could argue all this occur because of orsted and hitogami
@@DarkMagicGoji he has to kill hitogami to break the curse but we know they're going to seal him away so I don't know how there going to explain that
Rudeus is important for this world he is part of.
Silphy would have gone down a dark road.
Roxy wouldn't have had any purpose in her long drawn out life.
Eris would have been minecrafted in Demon World after the Displacement event.
Man with Green Hair would have faced discrimination without anyone helping him.
Spoiler below....
The Displacement incident never happens when Rudeus is not reincarnated into the world.
The Displacement incident is a result of Rudeus being in that world.
Why is that the case? Read all of mushoku tensei to find out!
In a world without Rudeus:
Eris lives a normal life and is happy.
Roxy never finds her soul mate and probably dies in a labyrinth.
Sylphy becomes an apprentice to Roxy and joins her on her labyrinth explorations and probably dies with Roxy.
Reading the "side" manga of "Roxy gets serious" (yes, i know, i need to read the text, but if i start i'll read until it's done. And i want to sleep.) - it's nice to see how he influences Roxy to reflect on her own behavior towards her teacher and try to improve herself.
And it's also nice to see that, despite all - a single persons life can influence oh so much more than we can see at first glance.
All I think now is that I don't want to imagine a world without your voice narrating this story!
1:36 😺
Well... we don't know how devoted Roxy would've been, so it's hard to say whether Eris is the most devoted or not. Because with Roxy around Rudy probably couldn't ever get that bad, which is understandable. Roxy best girl.
I think it's interesting to look at a world without Rudy, but with Nanahoshi and everything else. Really puts into perspective how important he is to that specific time loop. I wonder if Orsted would've just given up on that loop after a few years, as Nanahoshi really didn't impact the world too much, and the teleportation itself killed a lot of people and would've killed more without Rudy, including Ariel by extension.
I thought without rudeus nanahoshi wouldn't be summoned? Because it was thanks to him changing the world that allowed the summoning to succeed because one person isn't strong enough to change the fate of the world
@@jokeing7yeah I don't really understand this idea.
@@NatalieXHunter I heard people theorize if he never left Buena village the teleportation incident wouldn't have occurred also I was referring to the person that summoned nanahoshi when referring to one person can't change the world
@@jokeing7 Spoiler about the epilogue if you haven't seen it yet.
The post epilogue clarifies that it wasn't Rudeus' reincarnation, but the rewind Miko who was trying to save Nanahoshi's friend that fate was fighting against. When she was attempting to send him back she brought over Nanahoshi and Rudy's soul accidentally passed through the rift from Miko's battle with fate.
4 more volumes... just 4 more volumes and I can watch all the way through
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No, no, no. Roxy is best girl. 😏
No she isn't.
😂
I wonder if Norn raised Lucelia alone or with the family and Aisha also stays with Rudy even after he breaks bad
Using your version of no Rudy... I think Cliff might always get Lise.
Maybe not always but if he does marry anyone its her.
It's not stated either way but I like that idea.
@@NatalieXHunter Cliff I can imagine settling down with other people; But Lise I really cannot.
Cliff is the only one I can think of that could treat her as he does and actually convince her to work out her trauma with him.
OK to be fair I think Tal might be able to also but he does not seem like the type to step up and admit feelings... and well Lise is dense in the right ways to never consider Tal in the first place in a serious way.
I see him as completely uninterested in relationships or into Lise and being silent about it. I just cannot see Tal as gay or Bi.
Eris truly is Rudy's best husband.
I'm a little surprised to hear that Roxy and Sylphie don't get together. For some reason I'd find it deeply funny if it were so.
Well, maybe they did, Orsted doesn't know everything tha0t goes on!
@@NatalieXHunter What about horse man? Vaush needs to know
@@jimothyworldbuilding3664 But why would they? There's no romance there
@@cybersoul2809 horse man is literally the best character in the show, so whether or not there's romance there is kinda irrelevant.
Who is horseman
Never been this early..
It's probably because I read ahead is why I think Eris is best girl tbh.... knowing all that.
Oh hi dear well interesting information dealing man oh lol like very interesting
I'm curious what would happen if there's future loops. Now that Rudy's soul is in that world would he continue to be born even without the mass teleportation incident? Would looping back to before he exists shunt him into another universe and have him reborn with 2 lifetimes of memories?
If orsted reset another loop rudeus would go back to being a corpse in that traffic accident he wouldn't be reborn because the person that summoned nanahoshi lost all her powers and rudeus situation is technically an accident they only way rudeus could beat a rest of the loop is to learn reincarnation magic and time magic
Have you ever considered covering Konosuba by any chance?
@08:28 LOL WHAT
natalie why not try discussing war hammer lore , it has good audience feedback and might get you a ton of subscribers 🤔
I know nothing about it, I'm afraid.
I’m tired
I'm still curious.. how is Luicillia immune to Orsted's curse to make her a "very close friend" of Orsted? By all intents and purposes, there should be nothing about her that makes her immune. I have questions xD
Probably the same way Eris stopped being scared of Ruijerd and Sylphie & Roxy losing their fear of Orsted when Rudy died
Interacting with the cursed person enough will weaken the curse's effect and eventually make it go away completely
We don't really know, she's still a baby in Redundancy and in Orsted's past meetings with her it isn't explained. With the Superd having a similar curse to Orsted it could be something like that, where it doesn't affect people who both have it.
@@NatalieXHunter Ruijerd was affected by the curse
6:06 "Orsted remembers Aisha"
I feel like this is a slip up by the author. If Rudeus wasn't necessary to save Lilia and Aisha then it severely diminishes the importance of that moment in the story, it would have been way cooler if Orsted only remembered Paul having one daughter.
I disagree. An actions value is not dimished by the fact that it might have been ultimately unnessecary.
It would, however, have greatly dimished the character of Zenith, if she had condemmed Aisha (and Lillia) the almost certain death for Pauls mistake.
We don't know how Zenith was convinced to accept them in the other loops.
It is perfectly possible, that it took more time (or seeing Aisha as a baby while still beeing affected by her own pregnancy with Norn) to change her mind and let them stay.
I don't think it does. It changes how Lilia views things, which is relevant in the story, but the fact people *think* Rudy persuaded Zenith is the reason for that. Zenith doesn't seem like someone who'd send her friend to her death either pregnant or with a baby, so it's easy to believe she'd have made that decision without Rudy, but WITH Rudy, Lilia thinks she and Aisha owe their lives to him.
Seems like rudeus makes their lives better. But what about elinalese?
We don't know, but she is older than Orsted's loop starting point so she definitely always exists.
The old Rudeus timeline doesn't prove that Eris is more devoted than his other wives, it's just that they are both dead.
I said she was the only *person* to stand by him (even though in that loop he constantly rejects her help), not the only one of his wives. Obviously Roxy didn't have a chance and Sylphy might have forgiven him if she'd survived, so we can't say whether they would have ultimately shown the same devotion, but it's clear from how the writer shows Eris following him around (even though in this timeline she's not his wife and he ends up doing horrible things) that it's meant to show how devoted she becomes in loops where she meets him.