Fans of these kinds of Channels dont actually Read/Watch it either. Worse is they just go on to push these same Falsehoods on Social Media. I miss the days when Anime was Niche and the worst thing we got was laughed at for even liking it.
It amazes me how so many people miss the fact that Rudy's overall mental/emotional maturity and well-being are directly reflected in his sexual deviancy. At the start of the series, he's a severely damaged person who interprets basically all positive interpersonal emotions sexually (I could go on about this. There are SO many instances where it happens) and a lot of his growth is marked by overcoming sexual hurdles. Of course at his lowest, he's going to do the most repugnant things. After the Sylphie clothes incident, he becomes way more respectful of her boundaries and even overcorrects, making it awkward. When he takes things too far with Eris, he feels terrible that he hurt someone he grew to care for and when they make their "5 years" promise, he resolves to keep his hands to himself in regards to children (in the books he literally says "Lolita good, touching bad"). When he rescues the beastfolk children from the slavers, he interprets his protectiveness sexually, but it actually makes him uncomfortable because his morality has developed enough that he intuitively understands that it's wrong. And I would say that the point where he finally grows up in terms of sexuality (not to say that there's zero growth beyond this point) is after he overcomes his own sexual trauma. It's genuinely shocking that supposed media analysts can't catch on. If they disagreed or disliked this messaging, that would be one thing (and I would actually be interested in reading an article from that perspective). But it's about as subtle as a brick through a window. Then again, this article could very well be self-aware ragebait. That is a viable business model, unfortunately.
Not only that but I believe he likely regresses due to his length of time being a shut in. I'm not a psychologist nor pretend to be but shutting yourself in and watching the kind of media he does day in and day out has to take an effect on his intelligence as well. I think one of the things that this author and others like them are hinging on but can't articulate is them calling him a pedo because of his 'real age' even though he's had to essentially start over his life on top of what I mentioned above. I don't think it's a fair argument but it's at least an argument they need to try and make.
The problem is all the people that critique Mushoku Tensei from this angle simply aren’t that bright, in fact they’re total dullards. I can’t even listen to this video, I immediately stopped it and just read the comments, because I’ve seen this argument for years now & it annoys me beyond belief. I now totally ignore all criticism of Mushoku Tensei entirely because it’s all the same brain rot.
As soon as I hear that Lilia part, I immeditely knew the wrtier is full of crap. It is exlicitely stated that the gap between the SA and the affair is wide. Fuck, Lillia makes her hate for Paul very clear and made her intentions clear as well, even her making the moves clear. And Paul never being called out? Really? The guy who is almost always shat on cause there are way more people that hate him than there are that actually likes him?
Just shows the writer never gets past the first impressions of a character. In the first part Paul is seen through rose-tinted glasses because he is the type of man Rudeus initially wanted to be; strong, confident, and "successful" with women. With Paul's flaws initially glossed over since Rudeus doesn't see them as flaws. And yes, as the series goes on, Paul is shown as someone that is tolerated because of his strength. But no one really respects him outside of his combat prowess and is willing to belittle him for his behavior.
You notice how quiet everybody is during season 2's run? Rudy is on his best behavior and not enough drama or chaos is happening! Oh if ONLY something that could cause him to backslide into degeneracy so we can complain! Perhaps an animal that is a harbinger of some calamity might do the trick. . . .Perhaps a snake, or a rat. . . . Which would then change the entire flow of the story so far, like a turning point of some kind. . . .
@@MaverickhunterXZero you’re right, unless we kick up some drama , the ratings will go down. Oh if only a malevolent entity was threatening Rudy in a way that is relatable to the viewers! Perhaps someone close to him being in danger somehow … or multiple someone’s….. you guys know anybody like that in Rudy’s life?
I find it odd how many people want a "meta" punishment for characters in media. Like because a person does "bad" in the series, they must be punished or otherwise have something bad to them because of some sort of like karmic force? even when it doesn't make sense. The article might say that isn't what they want, but I call bullshit. Case in point with Rudeus... what consequences should he face that would make sense in the context of the setting, world and characters? What punishment do you give to a 9 year old who does something and how extreme were those things from the perspective of Eris? (because they're definitely referring to that). Eris does react in an understandable way to what Rudeus does, she beats him up and shuns him for a period of time. Same with Lilia... what do they expect Lilia to do to a toddler, the child of her employer... because he steals her underwear? What's the reasonable reaction from an adult to a 2year old? I thought the show did briefly mention why Sara dislikes Rudeus? not like a huge amount, but I thought she did talk about it to him. Also, I find it amusing how you brought up Konosuba briefly... as no one seems to complain about that when Kazuma repeatedly sexually harasses girls all the time, and it literally is played off as a joke with very limited consequences.
What I find even weirder is how they are completely throw the idea of redemption out the window and are unforgiving of sexual flaws, but will happily overlook or even excuse violent or aggressive tendencies in characters without a second thought.
What do you expect from a group of people that want people to be cancelled for tweets and words and never get a job ever again. Of course they want people in an anime to "face consequences". Losers.
Those weirdos who keep bringing this up are hoping the others slide into their DMs. I have seen them talking about it on Reddit. Their moral compasses are broken.
I feel that every show that's not standard in every way is liable to getting backlash. People thought that american psycho was misogynistic and homophobic when it was actually critiquing how the upper class treat those people.
Btw just want to mention that American Psycho is actually a pretty feminist work. Its viewed that way by the author, the director of the film adaptation, and iirc some feminist scholars.
theyre all anime tourists, theyre new to anime and probably watced aot or jjk and thougt that was anime, then when they tried something diffrent and it didnt fit to their tiny walls of comfort, they got mad and upset. Lets just start gatekeep anime to people. its better for the future.
Honestly with how they were running down the list of offenses from Rudy, and Paul. I’m surprised they didn’t also include Grandpa Greyrat indulging himself with the beast-kin help.
theyre all anime tourists, theyre new to anime and probably watced aot or jjk and thougt that was anime, then when they tried something diffrent and it didnt fit to their tiny walls of comfort, they got mad and upset. Lets just start gatekeep anime to people. its better for the future. Everything has to be raindbows to them and fit their agenda.
@@ghoultokyo2242 Honestly? Not cringe. We should absolutely gatekeep those who want to invade our hobbies and demand _we_ conform with *_their_* expectations. Too many people look at anime as a whole as if it's a genre and not a medium. Family Guy, South Park, Teen Titans, and Caillou are all cartoons, but I would never sit a three year old in front of South Park, and I wouldn't force a thirty year old to watch Caillou. The same should be the case for anime-someone can enjoy Ouran Host Club but not Oban Star Racers, or like Ranma ½ while thinking Sailor Moon is boring. I like all of those (except Oban, which I've never watched), and I also like Mushoku Tensei, Youjo Senki, and Gurren Lagann. I can't stand Gundam or Madoka Magica (Kyuubei makes me seethe with rage), but I don't go out of my way to attack the shows I don't like. I just ignore them. _They don't hurt me by merely _*_existing._* But that's what these tourists act like. They're coming into our neighborhood, destroying the peace, and then throwing tantrums and playing the victim when the landlord sends inspectors, because they'd rather see our neighborhood destroyed than let us enjoy that peace we've lived in.
I really hate how the word "P*dophile" has become a buzzword when judging any sort of isekai character. The point of the isekai genre is letting characters get a second chance at life and become better people if not, display that they already are good person. Mushoku Tensei isn't a Shonen, it's clearly listed underneath the Seinen demographic because it focuses on adult themes and one of those themes is consequence.
But the problem is Mushoku Tensei has brought in the Shonen audience, that’s the issue, there’s people watching the anime that shouldn’t be watching it. Basically a lot of simpletons, anyone that makes this argument you should immediately either ignore or make fun of, because the IQ is very very low.
It’s what most people do not understand about manga and anime. The intended target audience. Not all manga and anime are equal. And many people still stick to the old mentality that any form of animation is for kids and should be held to that standard.
Even if it's his second life he's also not an adult. Just because you have the memories from one wouldn't mean there aren't things in check to force you into the role suited to your new body. I don't think he acts like a child because he was a hikki for most of his life. I think he acts like one because he literally just is one. So it makes even less sense why he would need punishment of any kind. He also has no common sense from the world he is in. This is a world where slavery exists, where you have to learn how to fight cuz demon beasts exist, and where magic exists. His previous life experience really has no value to him here. Not to mention we really don't know the common sense between love in this world either. We don't really know if people find their partner when they are like 9 and grow into it like what used to happen in the past. Arranged Marriage definitely seems to be a thing here. Women also seem to have rights in this world which is a major difference between this fantasy one and our world. I'd imagine it's a change that comes with magic because magic gives women a path they can do and not be dead weight in a combat situation. Combat is super important in this world in general and there are adventurers in the world considering Ghislaine used to be one. Most of the adult characters used to be one and we see how the process works through Rudy as well. So there isn't really any reason to compare this anime to real life in any way. It's so far detached that you can't really say this anime can cause any real life problems in it. Even if it is a 1 to 1 to our world people are watching anime because it's not real to begin with. So no one really cares about anything twitter bickers about.
Now that you mention it, it's not clear how a child with memories of decades of adult life would handle it. There's knowledge, but also hormones and physiological problems. It would be boring and isolating going through modern school like that. MT avoids it by story events forcing an abnormal childhood, but in a regular setting this would be a potentially crucial plot point.
Cool, he's still an adult in a child's body and thus should be treated as a adult at least by the audience for determining how good or bad boys actions are. Doesn't matter how bad his original life was, it is never an excuse for his current actions
@@sam7559 While Rudy still has his past life memories, it doesn't really feel right to just immediately say that he'd doing p*do things inside a child's body just because he's interacting with other characters in a creepy way. Even with Rudy's knowledge, he still has child hormones, a new growing and developing mind and body, a new family. He even has new psychology not only growing up but also the instant he was born. For some examples, he stopped having a incest fetish after reincarnating, he got into puberty again, he starts wanting to make love rather than sex, he instantly starts being a new man after getting and curing his ED and he even matures into an outstanding adult in society. It seems weird to the average viewer, but this is proof that Rudy was not an adult outside his past life until he grows into an adult again. The way he acts to a good chunk of female characters is abhorrent but only in the way of a child or a immature teenager. This is not a defense to his actions, this is to show how Rudeus is written and why blindly treating him as a creepy adult is objectively but not subjectively wrong according to everything we know about Rudeus himself in the story. If you don't like this type of writing in a story, that's ok because this story is not for everyone just like how other mediums aren't
He acts like a child because he was written to act like a child, just he was written to be a pedo, just like it was written to excuse him for being a pedo, this show is disgusting
This sadly happens a lot with MT. You meet a lot of bad faith actors in regards to talking about the series. The series is not without flaws, that much is for sure, but the points they always bring to the front are most of the times very forcefully done so. Like Rudeus being a P in his previous life always makes it sound like he actually did cause some kind of harm, where in fact he "only" consumed a whole lot of eroge, and certainly some with the "loli" tag. We also should remind ourselves that the writer wanted us to imagine Rudeus being at the lowest acceptable point in life. He is not a monster, but also very much degenerated from the way we expect humans ought to be. Most arguments start off to make Rudeus out to be the worst kind of human being, where his past is in fact the flaw he has, which demands that literally every action taken within this new life should serve the purpose of redemption. Whenever he does something that doesn't serve this purpose, he is automatically the reincarnation of the anti-christ and the series is excusing whatever fallible behavior he has shown previously. Especially for people who see themselves as critics is this kind of argument actually disgraceful. Because there is a certain refusal to engage on a deeper level. They fall prey to prejudice, where they dislike the series from the start or even with the intention of justifying their dislike. If you watch a series in this way you are quick to connect dots, that do not exist to fill in the gaps to make a complete picture of what we want to believe. The best example is the repeated false assumption that Rudeus taunts his victims with their stolen underwear. As Natalie stated - that's Kazuma. But the situation in MT is not dire enough for the "critic" at this point and he seemingly wants Rudeus to be some kind of deviant he is not, which is where assumptions, false interpretation, simple oversight or even like in this case confusion with other mindliked series comes into play. And in this case it's not like there is only a certain nuance that hints to how we should see the situation. In most cases the series is pretty damn straight forward with it, because Rifujin wanted us to understand this. It is the core message of the series and what he intended to convey first and foremost: "We can do better". What I also often hear as an argument is how Rudeus undressed Sylphie back in the days and they often ommit the fact why he did it in the first place. This time the person in question at leasted mentioned his misconecption about the gender of Sylphie (which a lot of people do not mention at all - so props here for that), but falsely connects this to the reasoning behind Sylphiettes admiration for Rudeus. I don't have proof for this, but it is very likely that this connection was made, because the prejudice got hold of the train of thought again and understandable mistakes have to make a turn for the worse, because at the end we ought to hate the series. So this interpretation serves the purpose of fulfilling the demand of dislike. Sadly I encountered enough arguments about Mushoku Tensei, where I witnessed this exact behavior. Even if the series did something the other side can not disregard as bad, there has to be some kind of loophole to make this positive into a negative, no matter what. Because more often than not, it is not about understanding the series. It's about winning an argument, where one has to prove, that the series is bad from a moral perspective. Sometimes I wonder if some people did not experience life at all. I'm just thinking about the Sylphie undressing equals love argument again. Whenever I meet an old friend and we reminiscence about the past, we often remind ourselfes of stories, where we did stupid stuff. Like how we used to fight over the last row seats in the bus or how we stole some apples and ran away from an angered elder. Some time later he offered us apples directly and reminded us that we were stupid to do that. It's often a tale we tell ourselves and others to remind us, that we grew past our mistakes, but we are not ashamed of them. They made us who we are today. Some memories shaped us more and some less. Sylphie is fond of her memory, where Rudeus made this mistake, because she idolized him and this scenario reminds her that he is actually also pretty stupid from time to time. It kind of humbles him for her, which is important for her relationship. Something that is also mentioned quite often is how Rudeus thinks about making Sylphie his ideal wife. Yes, he thought that and it was stupid. But, did we ever see where he actually followed through with this? Of course he didn't. Because we often tend to think up stupid stuff and end up doing nothing with it. Most of the time because we know, that it is stupid. Rudeus only cared for Sylphie after that. She is precious to him. Which is why Paul seperated them, because he was afraid that both of them would grow dependend on each other and thus unable to grow individually. Paul was very rough with this, but he did something right in this regard. Everything Rudeus thinks that is bad is put on a golden scale, where everything he positivly actually does is put on the other side of it. Positive thoughts do not matter in this case, but the negative ones do. This is kind of unfair? Isn't it? Anyway, Natalie adressed almost all points in a great capacity. Only the last one is something I thought should be added in, because he didn't do anything with it. Rudeus is a deviant in the eyes of many critics without them ever considering what he actually does and if he actually is a deviant. He is a pervert, for sure, yes. But that's not his whole character. The only great display of MT was mentioned to be how the Sara and Rudeus situation was handled, and I think it was one of the worst kinds. Because in the back of my head I always thought: "I hope they have at least one final talk about it." - but they don't. This conflict remains unresolved. If this is how an ideal outcome is imagined by "The Anime Feminist", I'm glad that I did not encounter any other media takes from this person.
I always do get a chuckle at people judging earth Rudeus so badly. Dudes some depressed NEET who is actually rather sad even compared to the average NEET. He wasn't really malicious nor very competent. So like if people think he is this bad what would they think about some of the really dark protagonists out there? It's actually kind of interesting to look at what causes people to dislike him so much while not really paying any attention to much worse characters out there who are actually malicious people who aren't as pathetic. So they'd be more willing to try and do not good things and more capable of succeeding.
It gets a lot of hate because they say Earth Rudeus is a pedo cuz he jacked off to his niece video but others counter pointed this that it only happened on the Web Novel not on the anime or Light Novel. So anyone that can confirm this?
one thing to remember is he was strung up naked and on display while he was in high school. It's very much not healthy but I understand how he would become attracted to loli/young girls as that's what girls were like before he was abused. It's what was nice and good, desirable. It's a state of a very damaged person. In his new life his desires become much more healthy as he learns to live more properly
Sounds like they haven't read "A Song of Ice and Fire" (Game of Thrones), grimdark stories (worse than Mushoku Tensei) don't superimpose normal societal morals onto their settings; it's okay to have grey characters and no moral vortex that warps the plotline punishing "bad" characters and not the good guys. The best thing about Game of Thrones is the feeling that anything can happen, just like in REAL LIFE history, it's not so black and white
Yeah, like how Dany is only 13 when she marries Drogo in the book (they aged up the teenage characters who'd have sex scenes for the show because nobody wants to see that kind of scene in live action with real kids playing the parts, but obviously that isn't an issue in anime or a book, but it's pretty normal that in fantasy stories the approach to age is more in line with medieval times than now, iykwim).
I don't agree with this take as there's so much more nuance but to play devils advocate the argument is that Rudy came from our modern world so he should know better while Game of Thrones is a completely original world without people from our world
Funny how writers say a book is a favorite and completely misses the condition of the main character. Covenant was not a shut in, he was a leper. His condition affects his virility so when he gets transported and is miraculously cured his urges gets the best of him. He is totally different from Rudeous. The characters have very little similar
What is odd about the covenant comparison, especially in regards to the consequences and after effect on the victim, is that in Covenant the main character actually fully rapes the girl… so obviously she is traumatised. Rudy has never done anything even close to that, that would cause a similar amount of trauma.
@@ArCSelkie37 It's not just that he assaulted her. It's that he assaulted her after she greeted him as a savior and cured his leprosy. Then she had to keep it a secret from her father because she needed Thomas to save the world. It's just _so_ much worse on so many levels.
@@moalboris239 I totally agree. I guess the writer just read synopsis of both and took it from there. Had he actually read both books he would see there was no comparison.
Natalie you beautiful bastard ! You summed up a lot of what I thought were poignant things about what Mushoku and Rudeus is about, such as the redemption part; redemption for what ? doing nothing and being a failure ? I thought that word was reserved for events like what Thorfinn goes through in season 2 of Vinland Saga. Morever, what I would say Rudy warrants in the early parts of the show is pity not hate, how can you hate a pitiful shut in who has wasted his life ? All I can really muster up is pity and hope he'll live a more fulfulling life in his reincarnation.
I love your examples of Bojack and Baitmen. Rudeus is easily in my top list of favourite protagonists, along with Bojack, Ainz, Walter White etc, layered protagonists are easily the best kind. I now that sounds like a “well that’s obvious” kind of take, but there are so many stories that I love but usually I find the main character so boring.
Fun fact: I always thought that Mushoku Tensei was a pedo, and all that shit, anime because of what everybody was saying about it, but someday I was like "no way and anime can be so bad and still in crunchroll", I must see with my own eyes. To my surprise the anime is just awesome and now is my number one anime for life.
I love it. IIm sutting here listening to you read the article and thinking "THAT IS NOT HOW THAT SEEN WENT! WHAT REALLY HAPPENED WAS ---" just for you to present the actual scene with all its context . I truly detest people like the author of the article (who insist on having opinions on things they never consumed) since ive missed out on great shows, books, movies, and games because of them. I almost passed this show by because of its reputation.
I've read the entire Thomas Covenant series. What this male feminist didn't mention is that Thomas assaulted the 15 year old girl immediately after she greeted him as the world's savior and cured his leprosy. She then didn't rat him out to her father because she valued saving the world over her own safety. He did suffer consequences, but they were by no means immediate. Also, he in fact did have power over his victim, who thought he was the only person who could save the world. This is compared to a shut in who stole panties and humiliated bullies. Really. Really!?
I know it's not the writers intention but definitely makes me want to be hit by a truck.. but this story hits harder than most I've watched since the likes of Eva, GitS, Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Beebop.. there's been some funny and good ones but this one hits differently.. failure, regret, remorse, loss and being the subject of the 'class's' rejection and bullying.. What would you do if given another chance with the memories you have now..? Thing's probably very different.. I will support this anime till I die..to detractors be glad my desire isn't like Redo of Healer even if the world deserves it.. or Berserk for that matter... the rot is rather deep after all.. this one helps me get up in the morning to face another day of doldrum.. false hope but hope none the less..
it also gives a lefty like me some insight into what the alt-right might be calling "woke mind virus" (maybe?) the vocal minority of SJW white knights trying to virtue signal over such things... really comes across as some weird form of mental gymnastics? clout farming? ragebaiting? audience capture? btw this does not justify the alt-right one bit when they religiously support such paragons of conservative values as trump and other far right demagogues. but in the face of THOSE actual real-life sex offenders who wield actual real-life power... it feels kinda ridiculous to go ham on rudeus xD
I'd like author projection for 1000 Natalie. Thank you for this great deconstruction of an author clearly ignorant of the source material. I wonder how hurt they will be when they find out that Eris doesn't leave forever, who the mysterious blue haired girl is, and that Sara and Rudy on seeing one another again, apologize to each other. It amazes me that the worst offenders of what these people claim to hate about MT get free passes seemingly because they are women, like Lilia *groomer* and Ariel *grapest*. It is somewhat amazing that Rudy becomes as good a person as he does in the MT world. He had many opportunities to go bad, but his dedication to taking advantage of his second chance at getting serious about living is what I find inspiring.
I will never understand why specifically Mushoku Tensei became the target of so many people, is it because the MC was ugly in the past life? is it because some girls are lolis? is it because it was a famous show? like, why is it that specifically this show got to be the target? You know the story is good when those people need to make things up and/or appeal to morality in order to make any sort of "critiscism", while it's pathetic it's also sad to know how many people those hate videos/posts can influence in order to hate the show without even watching it. Thank you for once again going into the abyss and coming back with a clever response, it's always good to hear you answering to those idiots on the internet. I hope things get better with you financial situation btw, maybe you just get lucky and win the lottery, who knows, right? XD
I think it's because Rudeus clearly has some metaphysical connection to his previous adult life, as evidenced by his memories and self-perception whenever he's in Hitogami's realm. It's easy for these to make any particular viewer uncomfortable if they stop to look at the situation. Like how continuous is Rudeus' existence from Japan to the Six Face World? Even if he has the same memories and self-perception, how much of him is the same person? Some people have trouble reconciling that question (with the more extreme cases being those that constantly start shit about MT), while others have an easier time hand-waving that away or accepting it for what it is. Just as much as you feel it's unnecessary/unfair for people to make things up or appeal to morality, it's just as unfair to invalidate other people's feelings when they feel uneasy about some of the stuff that happens in MT due to Rudeus. Granted that should go both ways, and people shouldn't denounce those that have fewer hang-ups about enjoying an anime. 🤷♀
@@justanothergirl__ i see the point, i guess Rudy still having his old world voice does impact people a lot (i wish he didn't and just got the old voice when in hitogami dream, but ohh well, here is to hope that it changes at the end of the season) just to be clear, i don't mind if people dislike the show for a moral reason, what i hate is people who go everywhere to harass those who liked the show or that makes articles/videos like the one nat is answering to in order to attack the show, if they feel uneasy that's fine, but attacking the show, calling the MC the p word, attacking the staff/author, those are things i don't tolerate, the anime is good, if one doesn't like it thats fine, but don't go calling the show or it's fans names...
@@Ricardo_RickHonestly, yeah, I can handle anything but calling the author anything words (A real human mind you.) And then ofc the false pedo argument against Rudeus. Just watching the anime leaves some things unclear but a lot of things are still hella obvious. Like some people use Rudeus appearing in Hitogami’s place as who he truely is, just an old man controlling a kids body, but no. That’s just how he views himself, so that’s what he appears as. He even has different traits than his old self, he doesn’t have all the hatred and resentment for one. The sound of people having sex calms him, but his old self hated hearing these sounds. Also Rudy is calmed by familiar smells and stuff. While it is true that in Rudeus body is Earthdeus soul, in MT canon souls don’t do much if I remember right. They give memories and animate people and stuff, that’s really all, they don’t have own personalities and stuff. This is why it’s reincarnation but a little bit different than normal, it isn’t anything like Nanahoshi’s predicament. Now this sounds like it is meaningless if Rudeus really isn’t his old self technically, as it gets rid of the whole point. But it doesn’t. That’s why he still has the memories, his past memories traumatize him and cause problems early on with how he views people and the world, even his parents. It also gives the chance for the author to still have Rudeus make jokes and references from our world. It’s all supposed to build off of his previous life though, if he was still the same person we couldn’t expect much from him. And the pedo/groomer argument makes me mad cause it’s false and call him anything else. No one is gonna fight you if you call him a piece of shit and all that. Cause he does fuck up, he isn’t even close to perfect and he has times where he is at his lowest even later on, or things that could’ve happened. If you know what I am referring to. MT is much more interesting because they don’t get any karmic retribution or punishment but instead learn from their actions and stuff. Rudeus did use his memories to do some messed up stuff, especially as a kid when he didn’t understand some of the consequences or how wrong his actions were. The most he questions some of his actions early on is knowing they are technically, “wrong” but doing them anyways. Now as he grows up you slowly see him becoming more aware of things, understanding right and wrong a bit more, tryna make those better decisions. Especially how he sees killing, slavery is clearly something he isn’t positive or negative of, but he grew up in a world where there are a lot of legal slavery places. It had become natural to him and he would likely wanna forget most things about our world, especially in regards to morals and what’s right and wrong, considering him doing something right is what led to his past life being so miserable. So I don’t think any, “He has memories of our world so he should know certain things are wrong.” Argument really works, as early on he is a child, and when he grows up he is more connected to the six faced world than our world, his memories create funny moments and can clearly help though. And him thinking in full sentences and having complex thoughts at birth has happened with some other children so…Either way it is high fantasy, gotta suspend some disbelief for the story to be told in the first place. This just feels like a rant and I probably twisted things up since I am just spewing words out. Thing is you can really see all types of perspectives on this stuff. I was just tryna go with simple stuff that debunks silly arguments. With that said, Rudeus is still certainly a bunch of criminal names lol. No one should be defending some stuff he does. Sometimes he is just a mentally weak self indulgent bastard.
@@bravosix2960 Yeah, he is really selfish and degenerate sometimes, but that's it, he might have started as a "bad" person, but he is not evil, i mean, his death came from him sacrificing his own life to save the life of someone he didn't even know, but those haters simply forget that part
@@Ricardo_Rick Yeah. I am not gonna lie and say he isn’t indulged, as he kinda is, but he learns to grow from all of his mistakes and “indulgences” and he certainly is strong (I absolutely adore this series fights and OP characters, especially Rudy, though Rudy is a weaker OP characters because of his flaws and stuff.) even still the story is a powerful fantasy all and all, just a well done one without making people untouchable. But yeah, he learns to grow from what he did wrong, because he knows it is wrong. But he is still not very strong minded and needs support from people to get better. And through this he gets better, rather than being punished and turning into something *worse*. And his early on stuff normally isn’t wiped away like some haters complain, like Paul and Lilia thing in vol. 1 actually connects together. Unlike the anime just simply having it be said that Paul raped Lilia in the past and that’s that. Either way, it isn’t just ignored. At all. Some smaller things are like him peeking, even though people still scold him for it. But in the context of the world he is just a kid, for us we know he is a kid with memories. And through some people mind he is a 34 year old, either they see he is doing good, skip portions, are uncomfortable, just don’t agree, try to stuff their own narrative, or anything like that. Now by the time he is in Ranoa university, his past behavior is *not* gonna fly fr And then you got the idiots who add his past life age to his current age, that’s just not how that works at all.
I am so sick of these "Fans" who decided a piece of Fiction isnt good because they dont handle a Subject the way the deem it should. This always happens with Popular Anime, just like Shield Hero and the False Accusations, or the Trope of Slaves in Isekai. If the dont like it, then just DONT WATCH IT. There are sooooo many other types of Anime/Manga out there. Instead of them Complaining about one they dont like, they could just talk about ones they do. I always hear about them complaining about the OP Male Isekai Hero, but I never hear ANY of them talk about the ones with Female Heroes, like Heretical Last Boss Queen.
Anger sells better. No need to feed the trolls, so I just try to ignore those "fans". Granted, sometimes the trolls have a nasty bite when politicians get involved, but more often than not it is all bark and no bite.
@pietersleijpen3662 Its why I dont watch Vids from people like those Nat are talking about. My real issue is when I try and talk to people in Comments in Vids like this one. I always try and talk to them in Good Faith, and while I do find a few that will have a Civil Discussion with me about it, more often then not they just want to Force their own Views onto the Story. More often then not they get Facts Wrong, and when pushed will admit then never bothered to Watch/Read the thing they are Complaining about. My issue then is why are they even Complaining about something they dont care enough about to even engage with. They just want to ruin it for those of us that do.
Couldn’t help but notice the original didn’t even mention Rudy almost committing during the Sara portion makes me think they didn’t even watch it and just got their info from reddit or Twitter
@@DellikkilleD Why are you purposefully attributing a lack of understanding as a sole factor to someone hating a piece of media when you know damn well it's a multi factor reasoning. You are straw manning brother, get your shit together.
@@kova1729 it is not a multifactor reasoning lmfao. Im not straw manning shit, you shouldnt use words you clearly dont understand kid. The hate on MT is entirely predicated on outright falsehood, clearly a projection on the part of the actual freak pdfs virtue signaling.
See here's the thing about reincarnation and the keeping of your memories is that it could be seen as a harsh punishment and burden all in one. You can't speak of a past life without sounding like a complete nutter in a fantasy world or imagine you left behind a wife, kid, family or friends behind in your old life and now have no way of ever returning or seeing them again. Your memory of a past life would outright haunt you. We know the past haunted Rudy for a very long time even in his new life and took him serious hard work to fully get over with the help of some amazing people. Is that not enough of a punishment that his past trauma follows him everywhere. Even in S2 it's still there. He suffered bullying so humiliating that is way beyond what most ordinary people could deal with. Most people would struggle to deal with that even if given a second chance at life. The fact is Rudy didn't get a chance to grow up normally, hell because of what happened during puberty it would have liked caused to him regress in mental age. So in terms of punishment he is constantly being punished through out his life in other ways like through plot elements or character relationships. Eris "abandoned" him and causing his issue with women, a mental block to having relation with women for a long time. He got teleported to a hostile place and only managed to survive thanks to good fortune. His new family and friends he knew were scattered across the world. We also have things like whenever he tried to do something a little pervy with Eris, he got his ass beat. What more do you want as punishment? Him being executed? See him locked up for years for what back in those days as soon as boys and girls hit puberty you were adults, no such thing as a teenager back in those kind of times. Now let's be honest a lot of teenagers today get up to far worse behind closed doors. I know friends who as a teen got another teenager pregnant or got themselves pregnant and became a father/mother way too young and no I ain't speaking as an old man. I'm a young man in his 20's.
These people somehow forget Rudy was playing with Sylphy all day long, every day! If anybody spent time with their small relatives would know it is God damn BORING. Sure, i love my nephew and like spending time with her if it is less than few hours as i can't bare it longer. But somehow "adult man" Rudy was playing with Sylphy entire day for months if not years. He didn't even know Sylphy was a girl back then, again "an adult man" would notice it without any question. Simply because he wasn't feeling nor thinking like an adult man rather a child. His memories were making him a wise child at best, in fact there are so many his childish mistakes and antics in the story. So many people miss this fact and somehow consider him as "an adult man" which is just ridiculous. If somebody thinks Mushoku tensei anime is "pedo" you can bet they either didn't watch the show or are below average intelligence..
You know untill MT anime came out I never seen anyone correlate memories to age in Tensei. When I first read MT whenever Rudy refers himself as an "adult" I always go "are you though?" He's so childish in the way that he thinks he's an adult who he was in his past life.
@@Vishnup6932 You are right, even thinking "I'm an adult now" is a childish antic. Nobody becomes an adult by their declaration rather by their actions and he wasn't an adult in his past life neither. Mushoku tensei is all about a man-child/actual child finally becoming an adult man and it is a wholesome story. Too bad so many people can't see it. Anime is a little in blame too as LN Rudy is way more childish and unstable so it is obvious he is changing.
When I think of stories with morally grey protagonists, the “redemption” usually has little to do with being punished and is more about choosing to do something noble or selfless. Narratively speaking, “punishment” is generally what happens when a character fails to depart from a certain path in time to avoid the full consequences of that path. Hence, it’s a fate usually reserved for an antagonist, or the protagonist in a cautionary tale, rather than for characters with questionable morals per se. Rudeus’ redemption begins in literally the first couple of chapters with the resolution to do his best in this new life: which we see him put into from basically the moment he’s able to do anything himself. Meanwhile, any problematic interactions he has with other characters are shown to be a function of his naivety and sexual frustration rather than the calculated manipulations of a sexual predator (side note: but even the thing about training Sylphie to be his perfect woman gets dropped seconds later in the light novel, with Rudeus himself acknowledging that this would make him a “very pathetic type of villain”). It’s not something he needs to atone for so much as a lesson he failed to learn in his previous life, but once he does learn it there’s no problem anymore. That’s what his journey is about: going through all the stages of development he missed out on the first time around. And honestly, why would Sylphie or Eris bear him any sort of grudge for those early incidents? As kids, they were also naive about these things, and as adults . . . well, they aren’t third wave feminists, so it’s safe to assume they would just look back and say “My, young Ruddy was prodigious in more ways than one, wasn’t he?”
10:10 Rudy not only never hurt anyone, he actually got to where he was by trying to CORRECT an injustice. He was targeted after trying to stand up to bullies, who were bullying him and others. He became the way he is only after his sense of justice and human decency were completely trampled by the bullies behavior.
He tied up two girls gag them, had them piss themselves, starve them, sexual assault them all because they broke a figure he had no right to make in the first place. Rudy isn't a good person
@@ramirobarrera2845 EXACTLY! what utter injustice! midshoku tenshit is poorly written pabulum to justify bullying and ingratiate bullies smfh icanteven /s
14:34 there’s also the little thing of it being in the head of what 99.999% of people in that universe would assume is a child who wouldn’t even know how to do it.
Stories should invoke emotions including those you are uncomfortable with and be able to tread on topics to empathize with, to distain and to be angry about. There is a world to be craft, story to be told and for the hero's journey participate in which we get to scrutinize and see a redemption. It is too bad those that hate idea of redemptions and growth of characters or bringing any understanding of characters using dispicable resources available to them. Like the Sylphette stripping, Rudeus did try to face up to his mistake, would this writer actually take any responsibility of mistakes they would have made? What about all those who suffer through social anxiety, they suppose to magically be able to set aside their struggles and able to do what they need to perfectly in stressful situations? there is no sympathy from these people it seems.
Of course this person comes to the conclusion that they did. To someone like this every work of fiction has to not only agree with their world view, but it has to do so in the most obvious way possible. Oh, and context--like the setting--has no meaning, unless we're talking about something they themselves did and then it's the most important thing. Any story that doesn't send an obvious message that agrees with their narrative of the world is dangerous because it then must be sending the complete opposite message.
this gives me the feel of someone who read Mushoku Tensei from the rumors rather from the source material and decided to write an article about it. or they did read it and selective memory is one hell of a drug.
Most critics of Mushoku Tensei are based on the thesis “this is a redemption story, which is supposed to show us that even the worst person can become good". And then they talk about how dangerous this trope is and how poorly it's delivered. But where did it come from? Did Rifujin ever say anything like that? This interpretation of the story seems forced, and the conclusion simply means that the initial description doesn't fit. I've always thought it's actually the other way around: the story wants to show us that what is done cannot be undone, that it's not easy to change yourself, even if you start from scratch, and that you can't escape the past. And if you look at Mushoku's story from this point of view, it is almost perfect and has no major flaws. That is, the problem is incorrect presupposition, which I'm afraid in this case is “a feature, not a bug”.
the article had me shaking my head so many times in disbelief. What I first got out of the series was that it was about second chances (I can be very much wrong about that) and I saw myself in Rudy at least a few times while going through it. This was a very nice video.
Second chances and trying to live life properly. With all the ups and downs, bad and good. That’s how I see it and the title does translate to something like “trying to live life seriously this time.” Or something like it.
Why must people "suffer"? This person's proclivity to say that the moment Sarah tells off Rudy as "The most satisfying moment of the show" really tells me a lot about this person. That moment was devastating to me, and it was meant to be devastating. You're supposed to be rooting for Rudy's improvement and to see him throw a lot of it away felt horrible. You shouldn't *feel satisfied* about someone "getting what they deserve". That's just psychopathic behavior. Searching for a vessel that you believe to be worthless enough that you justify the hatred of. The reason it felt bad is because Sarah was right, Rudy was spiraling, and was hurting people around him. I don't understand why people are obsessed with this idea of "you must SUFFER for your actions..." It gives me lots of creepy original sin self whipping vibes.
I agree so much. Rudeus had been tryna change himself, you can see it. If one doesn’t like when he does something wrong or super creepy that is whatever, especially early on. Plus even still he can have weird thoughts but a lot really are just weird jokes and not at all serious. His memories are filled with so much pop culture, anime stuff, visual novel stuff, porn. It makes sense why his brain sometimes thinks about those things, all those memories and especially ones about him being bullied and a shut in is what caused his trauma for his new life. But you can support Rudy but not agree with his actions, that is likely the point. I prob wouldn’t like Rudy as a person especially if I knew him from a young age. But it’s different in the case of a story. Especially all the real challenges that Rudeus faces. And people just focus on the negative and say he has to be punished equally for the bad thing he did. Rudeus for example when almost taking advantage of Eris at his birthday said in his thoughts that he had went too far, and many other terrible things, about himself and his actions, and about how he hurt Eris. He realized that he had done something wrong, and this lines up because with the age he was at this time he would start thinking of things like this. In this scenario when his actions were leading into the worst, he hated himself for it. And when she forgave him, he desperately apologized and decided to treat her better, because she had forgiven him in spite of what he did. Yet everyone wanted her to like be traumatized or hate him in someway. Eris was mad, but also the way her parents and grandfather are and everything, it just wouldn’t make sense in the setting. So that’s why when the turning point happens, Rudeus devotes himself to getting Eris home and hanging on to their promise, it’s for a bunch of reasons but I can end this here as I am sure you understand all of this. Anyways why would I use this example? Idk if it is the anime or whatever, but this scene is a big example when people feel like he needs to be punished. Now I am also admitting there are ofc indulgent moments in the series which makes sense because of obvious reasons, and some weird stuff and blah blah. But these are used in a unique way most times, often they help Rudeus grow in some way. Which goes against a lot of people’s punish mindset, which would just make things way worse. And I think we *know* why. Damn another long comment. Whoops, just have so much thoughts. And I think I keep mixing things up because I am reading through the novels rn. But I get early events confused since I read vol. 1 and 2. And some of 6 but I ran into small spoilers so I have been reading from where the anime was. But I mostly just wanna get past vol. 18 then reread from the start I suppose.
Advocating for people to pay for their mistakes is nothing new... It has been in literature since ancient times ( especially in Ancient Greek epics, poems etc.).
Rifujin did a good job to trigger debates about his work story of redemption from a reincarnated man that was reprehensible in his previous life. Truck-kun started it all and is really the true hero. Good to see you Natalie. Thank you for the content as always.
Thanks for posting this. Sometimes it feels like a whole bunch of outsiders that aren’t exactly attuned to anime in general topics like this and or run with it without any further information….
Alright so i rewatched the episode involving Paul and Lilias affair and it did mention later that paul did SA Lilia in the past through a conversation between Rudeus and her. I then went and watched some reaction videos and it turns out that some Interpreted that conversation to be about the recent event, and also them taking what Rudeus said to Zenith at face value. Doesn't excuse this Journalist since their job is to get facts right but turns out its possible to come to that conclusion without listening to heresay.
Even just the premise that a redemption story must include some kind of recompense for actions before the start of the story is a bit misguided anyway. The key of a good redemption story is not repeating the mistakes of your previous failures and the struggle around doing that.
it honestly feels like there will always be people who have an issue with this series purely because of rudy and always try to push political or heavily misguided narratives all to keep themselves from enjoying the anime or reading the novels. i'd pretty much given up at this point trying to convince these people that they're missing the point of everything and refuse to put on their thinking caps in order to see the bigger picture.
"should she be traumatized and..." Yes. To these people absolutely yes; because they would be traumatized by a feather so long as it was a male holding it.
It's really unfortunate that the ED Arc didn't give us Rudy's inner dialogue during the first half as he became Quamire Rudeus. The ED Arc is actually my favorite Arc as we watch him confront his worst personality traits one by one. And, because his reasoning behind his actions is called out one by one, it would be harder for someone to twist what the show is really about. Without his inner dialogue, we really skim over just how much heartache and emotional suffering Rudy went through. It's part of the reason why i don't debate anyone's personal takes on Mushoku. Even when people are completely wrong about the show and its intentions, it's hard to showcase exactly why they are wrong using the anime only information. I think mushoku is a wonderfully written story about overcoming yourself, your past traumas and doubts, to take a step forward and another chance on life. And im glad that there are other people that got interested enough in its story to read or listen to the light novel to truly come to love the show as much as I do.
Its so obvious when critics of the show have only read wikis and forum posts rather than actually reading the books and having an opinion from them. Its ok to not like the show, novels or manga, but be honest why you don't enjoy it, and not just repeat stuff you read on a wiki or forum.
I'd like to introduce this person to the Redo of Healer anime, and watch as they get an aneurysm over fiction while there are so much more in the real world we should be concerned about..
U mean, I get your point but Redo of Healer is actual, genuine garbage with ne redeeming quality whatsoever. I will die on that hill. And before you call me an insufferable prude, know that I am a massive GOMG fanboy.
@@h0ll0w0ne never said it was not.. thats my whole point. You may genuenly be upset on that story instead of mushoku. However, it is still fiction.. i seriously dont get people who hang up on fiction, because unlike reality, you can pretty much look the other way, and have no consequences.. that is the whole point of fiction.. [Read all before crucifixion.. or not, its the internet after all] I know i will be stirring up controversy here, but i dont have problems with *drawn* underage stuff either (maybe thats what should be shown to this dude).. nobody was harmed, you can dislike it and dont look at it, and if someone has that kind of interest, they can vent without harming anyone.. again *drawn stuff, not irl cp* I feel like digging my own grave here, but i think if they have some interest in the matter, it is best to have a place to vent. Its a much greater risk if they have to keep thinks bottled up. For lack of better analogue, just take a look at the alcohol ban in the US history.. some stopped drinking, but most just turned to illigal stuff.. I know its not really a great example, but I dont know of any wide-scale stuff off the top of my head, and cant be fucked to research for a youtube comment.. Maybe the question about legalizing some drugs.. yet agaim from the US [Edit: Before someone comes at me with a boxcutter.. most anime characters ARE underage, around 16-17 usually. So if you ever engaged with "drawn art", then you have most likely seen cp by definition.]
@@meihara9415 Oh, I pretty much fully agree with all that. If someone likes Redo that is their preference. I just think it's story, characters and everything else is trash. If someone likes it, good for them I guess, just keep it in the cartoon.
This deserves way more views. Mushoku Tensei isn't a redeemtion story nor is it a power fantasy... it's bits and pieces of both along with real human emotion and struggle. This LN/WN getting an adaptation has been an amazing and terrible thing, I wish anime wasn't as mainstream anymore in the west.
24:20 Remember the free apartment ad in the Great Forest, in Dedoldia Village? he got it for free after saving the children and the holy beast, then he got an upgrade after saving the village from fire. Worth mentioning about Galus fight, if the holy beast hadn't joined in, he would've let him do what he wanted..Still, he played the crucial role of defeating him while others tanked/distracted him
Here is my response on this. "He is a" one of those "because his mind is 40ish" Well, that would be valid if they did not also argue "that vampire looks like a child, it doesn't matter if she is 1000 years old!" Either the body counts, or the mind counts. By making both arguments, you lose any credibility that either stance could have.
There are some exceptions of course. Beatrice from Re:Zero is clearly a child in body and mind despite being whoever many years old. But in general you're correct. Besides age in fantasy tends to be messy to begin with. Is Elinalise a predator if she goes after any young man? You could argue both ways.
@@lucasvanwijngaarden670 see this isn't that hard to understand if a person is a child their a child but a Loli isn't about age but body type. That's why there many types of Loli and all are base on appearance. Loli, oppai Loli, Loli baba, A Loli is a short flat chest body A oppai Loli has big boobs but still are short A Loli baba is a old woman with a Loli body type like that woman from yu yu hakusho
at this point I simply ignore these discussions. it all started with Tate no Yuusha back then, people talking shit about stuff they shouldn't talk about, or rather those people shouldn't be heard at all. free speech is sadly a double edged one lol, all you can do is ignore the white noise.
I don’t understand what exactly Rudas has done that people think he deserves punishment for or consequences. True he does think about doing some bad things, but he never actually acts on his thoughts usually when he tries, he’s usually prevented from acting it by outside forces
A lot of the hate for this show boils down to people's dislike of Asian culture IMO. I was just talking about this show with a friend because we watched a movie made in America called Lisa Frankenstein and they literally have a scene where a teen girl is being masturbated by a reanimated corpse. I brought up how I see stuff like this in Western media all the time but if it were an anime people would be freaking out.
Yeah, there's nothing in MT that isn't also in ASOIAF, I bring this up all the damn time lol. But in ASOIAF/GoT it's just edgy, in MT or any other anime with things like that in it it somehow means the author is a bad person... These critics have no self awareness.
@@NatalieXHunterMost annoying people are people hating on the author or calling him shit. If I remember he had talked about somewhere, how he had a certain conversation with his mom when he was at his worst. This is a big reason for a lot of the very personal family themes. Plus I believe his mother passed away before he completed the final volume of MT, but not fully sure. And yet some people I get in arguments with will call the author someone who hates women/doesn’t understand human relationships And all types of shit like that. I hate it. It’s clearly incorrect. I am sure he is a little weird and clearly very creative. But that isn’t bad, we wouldn’t have so much stories if people just wrote what they believed in and were comfortable in, and didn’t explore further. Only tryna be safe and friendly. This is the number one thing that makes me bad, I can ignore a lot of the other stuff most times but Rifujin is a real person. Good thing Rifujin doesn’t care about any dumb “criticism” or haters. But really anybody attacking an author for their ideas is just disgusting behavior.
Hearing all of this article being read just makes me think this person has never actually watched it by giving it a fair shake. It sounds like they came in with preconceived notions that Rudeus is reprehensible. This sound like this person is watching the show to be able to say that they watched it while writing the article without actually pondering about why the author had chosen the specific way that it was portrayed.
Nice video I can really only assume the person who made that article or whatever never actually watched or read Mushoku Tensei as none of their arguments made any sense especially not their conclusion
honestly i don't mind it, Mushoku Tensei being able to gate keep itself is a good thing and i wish more franchises could pull it off as effectively if they want to make articles to keep other leeches away... great
We live in a time where Social Media platforms, TH-cam and other content forms reward bad takes and good takes equally. Post a bad take and everyone is up in arms over it? Take in all the traffic and issue a small apology. It's the new version of there is no such thing as bad PR, as long as people are engaging in your content the platform is happy. I am not saying everyone does this, but the most influential people who should be responsible and not put out garbage takes, are there to grab attention and don't care who keeps repeating their bad takes. There are 2 types of people who put out L takes on the story, those who hear distorted information from second hand sources and don't bother to check and those who lost the plot and are only going through the story to back up their bad take. They post their bad takes, people argue and the platform promotes the discussion, if there is anything not getting punished its the promotion of misinformation, The kind bad info that can lead people to ingesting disinfectant to clear a virus ...
Also heres the thing, a woman directed American Psycho and I would totally recommend the Directors Cut of the film and out of all the films directed by women, American Psycho never even gets a single nod, but of course as for the topic at hand, I think women should enjoy anime even if the protagonist is questionable at the beginning as long as the story is gripping and also entertaining as well, people are just doing this just because they have no value to their life and want to feel like they are the victims in this situation, they keep saying it is all about them and make these disgusting hit pieces without doing any actual research, that's the thing that irks me, nobody does any research. I mean try to enjoy watching anime for what it is.
Remember everyone, people how complain about Dark fictional stories, always end up having it in there likes, or are scretly hiding there feeling from liking the Dark stuff in fiction...So there is a good chance they are just being hypocrites over it...
PDF file is a funny way to say it tho haha he is a man child, someone who never grew up and ended up with a twisted mind, starting from a child in a new life he has the chance to grow as an adult for the first time but with an "adult" mindset, i can admit that it is a hard thing to understand, even some fans dont fully understand it but lying about the motivations of the characters on deleted chapters and hearsay is not something they should do, but we know they wont listen to constructive critics
The thing about amnesia-free reincarnation is, we have no idea what it’s like because it doesn’t happen to us. We don’t exactly know how relevant or resilient “mental age” is to the hormones and impulses of biological age. When I was 15 years old, I was sexually attracted to 15 year old girls in my grade. As a dad in his 30s, I’m no longer attracted to 15 year old girls. Is that a result of my age or the fact that I’m no longer shackled by a puberty bombarded teenage vessel?
Those people so lack media literacy and do not comprehend the concept of character development to the point of uniorinically thinking that character at chapter one is an end product, that won't ever change.
Paused at 8:19. Ouch that was a hot take. Had he brought up Paul there as the one that failed to guide Rudy better or some such more like that; I might be able to understand the point better. I see what you mean that they seem to miss the point already.
The Anime Feminist? Ugh, doubtful anything of merit ever came out of that site. And seeing what they said about this, I'm not wrong. Mushoku is an incredible story, and it gets better as it goes. This is just a take they know people are going to be annoyed at and hope for rage clicks.
I remember this article being recommended to me by some hardcore MT-haters, who all were pretty far right in their poltical believes! MT haters will make any and every excuse to slander the story. As they have proven to me, they will even toss aside their own poltical opinions, just to endorse someone, who also hates MT like themselves. Astounding! And, yes, I read the entire article. What I took away from it is, that its author ignored everything in the story that would go against their claims (which are a lot of things!), just to sh*t on MT! This is a very classic tactic among the haters. Moreover, the article also gets many facts wrong and simply copypastes all the "scandals" (=mostly misinterpretations of dicey scenes), that the MT-hater have been peddling to that point. The authro basically admit in their own article, that they didn't care whether there will be any character developement in the future for Rudy (or other characters), because they had already made up their mind about the story. ---> THIS EXACT MINDSET is the epitome of the MT-haters way of thinking: "The story is pdf-file, because I have already decided, that this is what it is! I don't care about anything that happens on screen, unless it supports my claims and if something doesn't , I'll just ignore it!"
for some reason far right people from the US are the ones that mostly loves to call others the P word, while here in Brazil that is also the truth some leftist people also uses it, but it's more rare, i just wanted to state this funfact, i wonder why they are so obssessed with it, maybe skeletons in the closet?
As with a lot of these sorts of arguments, I feel that they aren’t really engaging with the work properly. There’s no hint that they have looked at the authors motivations or anything. Also, they are shoehorning their worldview or philosophical framework onto it without really interrogating it properly. Or at least that’s how it seems to me. The only thing I agree with particularly is the bit about Roman Polanski but that has nothing to do with Mushoku Tensei at all.
Yeah, I do agree with what he says about how those powerful men are protected, but it has nothing to do with MT or Rudeus and to liken the two things was just baffling to me. I guess the writer would rather be writing about actual real world problems but doesn't get hired for anything like that so just has to shoehorn it in to an article about anime....
Great video! Rlly enjoyed ur takes! I get u prob dont want to give more attention to dumb articles but id love to see paragraphs, clips from manga or just in general text when reading something to also make it easier to follow for my slow brain xD Still very enjoyable
The bit about his treatment of Eris. Rudy and Eris essentially lived together for at least a year or two, practically alone except for Ruijard, are we to assume there wasn't at least discussion about it for all that time? For that situation, just because it's not shown, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If you're still offering the sound clips when I start streaming, I'll make sure to think of you for a sound alert. Probably something Shield Hero or Mushoku Tensei related
So much misinformation (probably because he doesn't actually know the right information) and so many bad faith arguements that it's hard to listen to. I'm not sure if this was meant to be a serious article, but if ragebaiting was the intention then he succeeded.
Its really the same song and dance with these people. if someone gets reincarnated and apparently keep thier minds and past life brain in tact. They don't want to think of that person who is now an acutal child to be seen as one but to be only known for their past age. Ive brought this up somewhere else but how the hell is it they think well if hes this age then he should only be dating people around thier mental age. In this case Rudy should only date roxy . But here is the problem lets say they get that wish and rudy dates a woman his age and she was human, do they understand that they paired a child with an middle age to elderly person and that won't look right anywhere? No , so imo rudy waited till he was in a real relationship especially with slyphie amd they are both consenting adults. So stop with the gacha momemts of going see ! See! He is a creep and people like this eewwww!
Oh yeah he did only go after people like that when at adult range. Eris doesn’t count because while they did love each other, Rudy was tryna get her home and then tried to even deny her tryna fuck as he didn’t like the idea and thought it was a bad idea. Even still she was an adult about that time. Probably just how things went.
31:42 I can imagine a fair criticism for malecentric guidance in the general bildungsroman: the masculine mentor typical for a boy to grow under doesn't need to be male to fit their role; however, in a society where men fill the roles that boys take up, such as in the world of MT, it is appropriate for men to predominantly mold the bildungsroman.
People are OBSESSED with consequences in fiction for some reason. They're so obsessed that authors now make it a point to reach down with the hand if god and force these consequences even if it makes the actual writing of the story worse.
39:30 The stretch is mad lol I really don’t know how someone could come to these conclusions, I can only assume that this article was some kind of clickbate but even that makes no sense cuz some of these crazy things are so far in
Almost everything he said was just wrong. Its fine to come to your own conclusions about a Story, but at lest get your Facts right about what happens in it. Its clear he got all his info from someone else who ALSO got their Facts wrong.
Well Rudy had an intrusive thought that’s the crime that the author is so upset about. You know men are not even allowed to have a sexual thought when a woman walks down the street in a bikini or topples.
funnily enough, the way that rudy is spoken of reminds me of rudeus's reputation as the owner of the dead ends, everyonethinks he's a sadistic tyrant who goes around oppressing people with sheer might
I don't get how people are more sympathetic to a character like Walter White, who becomes more evil as the narrative of Breaking Bad progresses, than Rudeus, who goes in the opposite direction. Maybe people just hate anime for the sake of hating anime idk.
I like Walter white but I like rudy too. Different stories have Different theme and storytelling. But yes i've noticed that some people have a bais and double standard towards rudues. Kazuma abused the stealing panty trope far more than rudues but rudy seems to get the brunt of the criticism about it, disregarding the context behind it.
Because those people are the real bullies. I was wondering why Mushoku Tensei, and not KonoSuba, is widely criticized for its mistreatment of women. I think it's because we're constantly reminded that Rudeus is somehow connected to this broken man who isn't exactly handsome and is easy to hate. So they ignore the actual plot and impose their agenda, even if it doesn't really fit.
@@Anime-sy2tw I think that's a part of it. They can't conciously separate the old him from the new him. They in their minds are convince that rudy is the same fat guy operating his new body like an avatar rather than a real person now tied to that world.
I think they're just obsessed with seggs tbh. Like Walter White, he does all kinds of awful things, but they're not really as bad as stealing some panties, to these types.
@NatalieXHunter Honestly, people here in the US seem to think that anything involving seggs, even innocent stuff, is infinitely more serious than greed or murder. No in-between or nuance whatsoever.
it's like the anime feminist started watching show with a final conclusion in mind (that rudy is "problematic") and just views everything through those lens. thanks for going through that for us. i would have lost braincells from reading it directly.
How does someone see a cripplingly awkward child who wants to apologize for doing something bad, and instead of seeing all that go "yup, he's objectifying that woman". Brainrot this bad should get you committed.
39:00 No. Does it really want that? I didn't get that out of it. It was more like "What would you actually do if you were transported to another world" or "How to live your best life" or something like that.
The moment the writer began with stating (erroneously) that Rudeus is a "pdf file", I knew it was all hogwash. I can't take you seriously If you can't even keep your facts straight.
True, at that point might as well spoil yourself to get facts right. Curiously, Rudeus does seem to make connections to him being one later on, despite never actually going after or thinking anything really bad of anybody less than a year younger than him. It is never outright stated though and all and all, Rudeus isn’t all knowing. He knows what he knows at the time and will share facts and ideas, put himself down and underestimate himself.
i recently saw someone saying (on Reddit) Redo of a healer was better than Mushoku Tensei for writing, in their words not exactly but the sum of what i remember "it makes more sense for what the character is doing in Redo than Rudy." they did mention the character is Redo is a psycho but still was trying to make some kind of downplay of Mushoku, now i hope they were a troll and not serious but after reading some of the people thoughts on the series/ip i would not be shocked.
1:05 Fiction editing? Sounds like something I might want. Voice recording technically, too, but I guess the benefits of AI voices outweigh the benefits of recorded voices. What I technically need to would be drawings (characters and backgrounds).
Oh, found it. I didn't expect such high prices. But when thinking about it, it's okay. I usually write my stories as scenes of around 1000 words, so editing a 10 chapter story would be around 100$. Not sure if editing is even worth it. I fear that it will become a different writing style. I try to focus a lot on the important stuff without spending much time on atmosphere and such. I guess it's worth a try. I'll come back to you once I finish one of my stories. Might be in a few weeks.
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We can't even get to the moral arguments if we don't have the media critic presenting the author's writings accurately to begin with.
Fans of these kinds of Channels dont actually Read/Watch it either. Worse is they just go on to push these same Falsehoods on Social Media.
I miss the days when Anime was Niche and the worst thing we got was laughed at for even liking it.
It amazes me how so many people miss the fact that Rudy's overall mental/emotional maturity and well-being are directly reflected in his sexual deviancy. At the start of the series, he's a severely damaged person who interprets basically all positive interpersonal emotions sexually (I could go on about this. There are SO many instances where it happens) and a lot of his growth is marked by overcoming sexual hurdles. Of course at his lowest, he's going to do the most repugnant things.
After the Sylphie clothes incident, he becomes way more respectful of her boundaries and even overcorrects, making it awkward. When he takes things too far with Eris, he feels terrible that he hurt someone he grew to care for and when they make their "5 years" promise, he resolves to keep his hands to himself in regards to children (in the books he literally says "Lolita good, touching bad"). When he rescues the beastfolk children from the slavers, he interprets his protectiveness sexually, but it actually makes him uncomfortable because his morality has developed enough that he intuitively understands that it's wrong. And I would say that the point where he finally grows up in terms of sexuality (not to say that there's zero growth beyond this point) is after he overcomes his own sexual trauma.
It's genuinely shocking that supposed media analysts can't catch on. If they disagreed or disliked this messaging, that would be one thing (and I would actually be interested in reading an article from that perspective). But it's about as subtle as a brick through a window. Then again, this article could very well be self-aware ragebait. That is a viable business model, unfortunately.
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@@wl84728aahdjx you mean, your comment?
The fact that you're expecting anything from Media analysts today is kind of shocking.
Not only that but I believe he likely regresses due to his length of time being a shut in. I'm not a psychologist nor pretend to be but shutting yourself in and watching the kind of media he does day in and day out has to take an effect on his intelligence as well.
I think one of the things that this author and others like them are hinging on but can't articulate is them calling him a pedo because of his 'real age' even though he's had to essentially start over his life on top of what I mentioned above. I don't think it's a fair argument but it's at least an argument they need to try and make.
The problem is all the people that critique Mushoku Tensei from this angle simply aren’t that bright, in fact they’re total dullards. I can’t even listen to this video, I immediately stopped it and just read the comments, because I’ve seen this argument for years now & it annoys me beyond belief. I now totally ignore all criticism of Mushoku Tensei entirely because it’s all the same brain rot.
As soon as I hear that Lilia part, I immeditely knew the wrtier is full of crap.
It is exlicitely stated that the gap between the SA and the affair is wide. Fuck, Lillia makes her hate for Paul very clear and made her intentions clear as well, even her making the moves clear. And Paul never being called out? Really? The guy who is almost always shat on cause there are way more people that hate him than there are that actually likes him?
Just shows the writer never gets past the first impressions of a character. In the first part Paul is seen through rose-tinted glasses because he is the type of man Rudeus initially wanted to be; strong, confident, and "successful" with women. With Paul's flaws initially glossed over since Rudeus doesn't see them as flaws.
And yes, as the series goes on, Paul is shown as someone that is tolerated because of his strength. But no one really respects him outside of his combat prowess and is willing to belittle him for his behavior.
You notice how quiet everybody is during season 2's run?
Rudy is on his best behavior and not enough drama or chaos is happening!
Oh if ONLY something that could cause him to backslide into degeneracy so we can complain!
Perhaps an animal that is a harbinger of some calamity might do the trick. . . .Perhaps a snake, or a rat. . . .
Which would then change the entire flow of the story so far, like a turning point of some kind. . . .
i mean there is oldeus yet to come that timeline was messed up
That's what he was referring to with the 'rat' lol.
They'll say it became a boring harem show where Rudy is just a goody-goody blank slate.
@@MaverickhunterXZero you’re right, unless we kick up some drama , the ratings will go down. Oh if only a malevolent entity was threatening Rudy in a way that is relatable to the viewers! Perhaps someone close to him being in danger somehow … or multiple someone’s….. you guys know anybody like that in Rudy’s life?
@@Darth_Bateman nah I wouldn't imagine something like that happening
I find it odd how many people want a "meta" punishment for characters in media. Like because a person does "bad" in the series, they must be punished or otherwise have something bad to them because of some sort of like karmic force? even when it doesn't make sense. The article might say that isn't what they want, but I call bullshit.
Case in point with Rudeus... what consequences should he face that would make sense in the context of the setting, world and characters? What punishment do you give to a 9 year old who does something and how extreme were those things from the perspective of Eris? (because they're definitely referring to that). Eris does react in an understandable way to what Rudeus does, she beats him up and shuns him for a period of time. Same with Lilia... what do they expect Lilia to do to a toddler, the child of her employer... because he steals her underwear? What's the reasonable reaction from an adult to a 2year old?
I thought the show did briefly mention why Sara dislikes Rudeus? not like a huge amount, but I thought she did talk about it to him.
Also, I find it amusing how you brought up Konosuba briefly... as no one seems to complain about that when Kazuma repeatedly sexually harasses girls all the time, and it literally is played off as a joke with very limited consequences.
What I find even weirder is how they are completely throw the idea of redemption out the window and are unforgiving of sexual flaws, but will happily overlook or even excuse violent or aggressive tendencies in characters without a second thought.
@Phatnaru0002 That because to people like that being an Anime Pervert is the WORST thing a person can be.
What do you expect from a group of people that want people to be cancelled for tweets and words and never get a job ever again. Of course they want people in an anime to "face consequences". Losers.
That's not to mention Kazuma constantly claiming he's not into lolis but still actively trying to tap Megumin or Iris.
Just as a footnote, I hate when people criticise character for not metagaming. (RPG term)
Those weirdos who keep bringing this up are hoping the others slide into their DMs. I have seen them talking about it on Reddit. Their moral compasses are broken.
I feel that every show that's not standard in every way is liable to getting backlash. People thought that american psycho was misogynistic and homophobic when it was actually critiquing how the upper class treat those people.
It's also ironic about about that take because the director was a woman too.
Btw just want to mention that American Psycho is actually a pretty feminist work. Its viewed that way by the author, the director of the film adaptation, and iirc some feminist scholars.
theyre all anime tourists, theyre new to anime and probably watced aot or jjk and thougt that was anime, then when they tried something diffrent and it didnt fit to their tiny walls of comfort, they got mad and upset. Lets just start gatekeep anime to people. its better for the future.
Honestly with how they were running down the list of offenses from Rudy, and Paul. I’m surprised they didn’t also include Grandpa Greyrat indulging himself with the beast-kin help.
theyre all anime tourists, theyre new to anime and probably watced aot or jjk and thougt that was anime, then when they tried something diffrent and it didnt fit to their tiny walls of comfort, they got mad and upset. Lets just start gatekeep anime to people. its better for the future. Everything has to be raindbows to them and fit their agenda.
@@Saiki-lp1incringe 😭
@@ghoultokyo2242 cry more tourist
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Honestly? Not cringe. We should absolutely gatekeep those who want to invade our hobbies and demand _we_ conform with *_their_* expectations.
Too many people look at anime as a whole as if it's a genre and not a medium. Family Guy, South Park, Teen Titans, and Caillou are all cartoons, but I would never sit a three year old in front of South Park, and I wouldn't force a thirty year old to watch Caillou. The same should be the case for anime-someone can enjoy Ouran Host Club but not Oban Star Racers, or like Ranma ½ while thinking Sailor Moon is boring. I like all of those (except Oban, which I've never watched), and I also like Mushoku Tensei, Youjo Senki, and Gurren Lagann.
I can't stand Gundam or Madoka Magica (Kyuubei makes me seethe with rage), but I don't go out of my way to attack the shows I don't like. I just ignore them. _They don't hurt me by merely _*_existing._*
But that's what these tourists act like. They're coming into our neighborhood, destroying the peace, and then throwing tantrums and playing the victim when the landlord sends inspectors, because they'd rather see our neighborhood destroyed than let us enjoy that peace we've lived in.
I really hate how the word "P*dophile" has become a buzzword when judging any sort of isekai character. The point of the isekai genre is letting characters get a second chance at life and become better people if not, display that they already are good person. Mushoku Tensei isn't a Shonen, it's clearly listed underneath the Seinen demographic because it focuses on adult themes and one of those themes is consequence.
Especially when most of the people using it seem to use it as a shield, and get ousted as the very thing,
But the problem is Mushoku Tensei has brought in the Shonen audience, that’s the issue, there’s people watching the anime that shouldn’t be watching it. Basically a lot of simpletons, anyone that makes this argument you should immediately either ignore or make fun of, because the IQ is very very low.
It’s what most people do not understand about manga and anime. The intended target audience. Not all manga and anime are equal. And many people still stick to the old mentality that any form of animation is for kids and should be held to that standard.
The existence of Lolis is why that words gets thrown around and valid for it.
@@ghoultokyo2242 No it’s not valid, the vast majority of loli aren’t kids & don’t act like them.
Even if it's his second life he's also not an adult. Just because you have the memories from one wouldn't mean there aren't things in check to force you into the role suited to your new body. I don't think he acts like a child because he was a hikki for most of his life. I think he acts like one because he literally just is one.
So it makes even less sense why he would need punishment of any kind. He also has no common sense from the world he is in. This is a world where slavery exists, where you have to learn how to fight cuz demon beasts exist, and where magic exists. His previous life experience really has no value to him here. Not to mention we really don't know the common sense between love in this world either. We don't really know if people find their partner when they are like 9 and grow into it like what used to happen in the past. Arranged Marriage definitely seems to be a thing here.
Women also seem to have rights in this world which is a major difference between this fantasy one and our world. I'd imagine it's a change that comes with magic because magic gives women a path they can do and not be dead weight in a combat situation. Combat is super important in this world in general and there are adventurers in the world considering Ghislaine used to be one. Most of the adult characters used to be one and we see how the process works through Rudy as well.
So there isn't really any reason to compare this anime to real life in any way. It's so far detached that you can't really say this anime can cause any real life problems in it. Even if it is a 1 to 1 to our world people are watching anime because it's not real to begin with. So no one really cares about anything twitter bickers about.
Now that you mention it, it's not clear how a child with memories of decades of adult life would handle it. There's knowledge, but also hormones and physiological problems. It would be boring and isolating going through modern school like that. MT avoids it by story events forcing an abnormal childhood, but in a regular setting this would be a potentially crucial plot point.
Cool, he's still an adult in a child's body and thus should be treated as a adult at least by the audience for determining how good or bad boys actions are. Doesn't matter how bad his original life was, it is never an excuse for his current actions
@@sam7559 While Rudy still has his past life memories, it doesn't really feel right to just immediately say that he'd doing p*do things inside a child's body just because he's interacting with other characters in a creepy way. Even with Rudy's knowledge, he still has child hormones, a new growing and developing mind and body, a new family. He even has new psychology not only growing up but also the instant he was born.
For some examples, he stopped having a incest fetish after reincarnating, he got into puberty again, he starts wanting to make love rather than sex, he instantly starts being a new man after getting and curing his ED and he even matures into an outstanding adult in society. It seems weird to the average viewer, but this is proof that Rudy was not an adult outside his past life until he grows into an adult again. The way he acts to a good chunk of female characters is abhorrent but only in the way of a child or a immature teenager.
This is not a defense to his actions, this is to show how Rudeus is written and why blindly treating him as a creepy adult is objectively but not subjectively wrong according to everything we know about Rudeus himself in the story. If you don't like this type of writing in a story, that's ok because this story is not for everyone just like how other mediums aren't
He acts like a child because he was written to act like a child, just he was written to be a pedo, just like it was written to excuse him for being a pedo, this show is disgusting
@@sam7559 there is nothing wrong with his current actions, thanks for telling us you have no idea what you are talking about lmfao.
This sadly happens a lot with MT. You meet a lot of bad faith actors in regards to talking about the series. The series is not without flaws, that much is for sure, but the points they always bring to the front are most of the times very forcefully done so. Like Rudeus being a P in his previous life always makes it sound like he actually did cause some kind of harm, where in fact he "only" consumed a whole lot of eroge, and certainly some with the "loli" tag. We also should remind ourselves that the writer wanted us to imagine Rudeus being at the lowest acceptable point in life. He is not a monster, but also very much degenerated from the way we expect humans ought to be.
Most arguments start off to make Rudeus out to be the worst kind of human being, where his past is in fact the flaw he has, which demands that literally every action taken within this new life should serve the purpose of redemption. Whenever he does something that doesn't serve this purpose, he is automatically the reincarnation of the anti-christ and the series is excusing whatever fallible behavior he has shown previously. Especially for people who see themselves as critics is this kind of argument actually disgraceful. Because there is a certain refusal to engage on a deeper level. They fall prey to prejudice, where they dislike the series from the start or even with the intention of justifying their dislike. If you watch a series in this way you are quick to connect dots, that do not exist to fill in the gaps to make a complete picture of what we want to believe. The best example is the repeated false assumption that Rudeus taunts his victims with their stolen underwear. As Natalie stated - that's Kazuma. But the situation in MT is not dire enough for the "critic" at this point and he seemingly wants Rudeus to be some kind of deviant he is not, which is where assumptions, false interpretation, simple oversight or even like in this case confusion with other mindliked series comes into play. And in this case it's not like there is only a certain nuance that hints to how we should see the situation. In most cases the series is pretty damn straight forward with it, because Rifujin wanted us to understand this. It is the core message of the series and what he intended to convey first and foremost: "We can do better".
What I also often hear as an argument is how Rudeus undressed Sylphie back in the days and they often ommit the fact why he did it in the first place. This time the person in question at leasted mentioned his misconecption about the gender of Sylphie (which a lot of people do not mention at all - so props here for that), but falsely connects this to the reasoning behind Sylphiettes admiration for Rudeus. I don't have proof for this, but it is very likely that this connection was made, because the prejudice got hold of the train of thought again and understandable mistakes have to make a turn for the worse, because at the end we ought to hate the series. So this interpretation serves the purpose of fulfilling the demand of dislike. Sadly I encountered enough arguments about Mushoku Tensei, where I witnessed this exact behavior. Even if the series did something the other side can not disregard as bad, there has to be some kind of loophole to make this positive into a negative, no matter what. Because more often than not, it is not about understanding the series. It's about winning an argument, where one has to prove, that the series is bad from a moral perspective.
Sometimes I wonder if some people did not experience life at all. I'm just thinking about the Sylphie undressing equals love argument again. Whenever I meet an old friend and we reminiscence about the past, we often remind ourselfes of stories, where we did stupid stuff. Like how we used to fight over the last row seats in the bus or how we stole some apples and ran away from an angered elder. Some time later he offered us apples directly and reminded us that we were stupid to do that. It's often a tale we tell ourselves and others to remind us, that we grew past our mistakes, but we are not ashamed of them. They made us who we are today. Some memories shaped us more and some less. Sylphie is fond of her memory, where Rudeus made this mistake, because she idolized him and this scenario reminds her that he is actually also pretty stupid from time to time. It kind of humbles him for her, which is important for her relationship.
Something that is also mentioned quite often is how Rudeus thinks about making Sylphie his ideal wife. Yes, he thought that and it was stupid. But, did we ever see where he actually followed through with this? Of course he didn't. Because we often tend to think up stupid stuff and end up doing nothing with it. Most of the time because we know, that it is stupid. Rudeus only cared for Sylphie after that. She is precious to him. Which is why Paul seperated them, because he was afraid that both of them would grow dependend on each other and thus unable to grow individually. Paul was very rough with this, but he did something right in this regard. Everything Rudeus thinks that is bad is put on a golden scale, where everything he positivly actually does is put on the other side of it. Positive thoughts do not matter in this case, but the negative ones do. This is kind of unfair? Isn't it?
Anyway, Natalie adressed almost all points in a great capacity. Only the last one is something I thought should be added in, because he didn't do anything with it. Rudeus is a deviant in the eyes of many critics without them ever considering what he actually does and if he actually is a deviant. He is a pervert, for sure, yes. But that's not his whole character. The only great display of MT was mentioned to be how the Sara and Rudeus situation was handled, and I think it was one of the worst kinds. Because in the back of my head I always thought: "I hope they have at least one final talk about it." - but they don't. This conflict remains unresolved. If this is how an ideal outcome is imagined by "The Anime Feminist", I'm glad that I did not encounter any other media takes from this person.
I always do get a chuckle at people judging earth Rudeus so badly. Dudes some depressed NEET who is actually rather sad even compared to the average NEET. He wasn't really malicious nor very competent. So like if people think he is this bad what would they think about some of the really dark protagonists out there? It's actually kind of interesting to look at what causes people to dislike him so much while not really paying any attention to much worse characters out there who are actually malicious people who aren't as pathetic. So they'd be more willing to try and do not good things and more capable of succeeding.
It gets a lot of hate because they say Earth Rudeus is a pedo cuz he jacked off to his niece video but others counter pointed this that it only happened on the Web Novel not on the anime or Light Novel. So anyone that can confirm this?
one thing to remember is he was strung up naked and on display while he was in high school. It's very much not healthy but I understand how he would become attracted to loli/young girls as that's what girls were like before he was abused. It's what was nice and good, desirable. It's a state of a very damaged person. In his new life his desires become much more healthy as he learns to live more properly
Sounds like they haven't read "A Song of Ice and Fire" (Game of Thrones), grimdark stories (worse than Mushoku Tensei) don't superimpose normal societal morals onto their settings; it's okay to have grey characters and no moral vortex that warps the plotline punishing "bad" characters and not the good guys.
The best thing about Game of Thrones is the feeling that anything can happen, just like in REAL LIFE history, it's not so black and white
Yeah, like how Dany is only 13 when she marries Drogo in the book (they aged up the teenage characters who'd have sex scenes for the show because nobody wants to see that kind of scene in live action with real kids playing the parts, but obviously that isn't an issue in anime or a book, but it's pretty normal that in fantasy stories the approach to age is more in line with medieval times than now, iykwim).
I don't agree with this take as there's so much more nuance but to play devils advocate the argument is that Rudy came from our modern world so he should know better while Game of Thrones is a completely original world without people from our world
Funny how writers say a book is a favorite and completely misses the condition of the main character. Covenant was not a shut in, he was a leper. His condition affects his virility so when he gets transported and is miraculously cured his urges gets the best of him. He is totally different from Rudeous. The characters have very little similar
Funny enough he was also far far worse of a person than Rudeus as well. Rudeus actually kind of wins out in most direct comparisons.
What is odd about the covenant comparison, especially in regards to the consequences and after effect on the victim, is that in Covenant the main character actually fully rapes the girl… so obviously she is traumatised.
Rudy has never done anything even close to that, that would cause a similar amount of trauma.
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It's not just that he assaulted her. It's that he assaulted her after she greeted him as a savior and cured his leprosy. Then she had to keep it a secret from her father because she needed Thomas to save the world. It's just _so_ much worse on so many levels.
@@moalboris239 I totally agree. I guess the writer just read synopsis of both and took it from there. Had he actually read both books he would see there was no comparison.
This "Garrick" dude sounds like the kind of person you just want to block in real life. Holy f, imagine living your life THAT insufferable.
Natalie you beautiful bastard ! You summed up a lot of what I thought were poignant things about what Mushoku and Rudeus is about, such as the redemption part; redemption for what ? doing nothing and being a failure ? I thought that word was reserved for events like what Thorfinn goes through in season 2 of Vinland Saga.
Morever, what I would say Rudy warrants in the early parts of the show is pity not hate, how can you hate a pitiful shut in who has wasted his life ? All I can really muster up is pity and hope he'll live a more fulfulling life in his reincarnation.
I love your examples of Bojack and Baitmen. Rudeus is easily in my top list of favourite protagonists, along with Bojack, Ainz, Walter White etc, layered protagonists are easily the best kind. I now that sounds like a “well that’s obvious” kind of take, but there are so many stories that I love but usually I find the main character so boring.
Fun fact: I always thought that Mushoku Tensei was a pedo, and all that shit, anime because of what everybody was saying about it, but someday I was like "no way and anime can be so bad and still in crunchroll", I must see with my own eyes. To my surprise the anime is just awesome and now is my number one anime for life.
Not my no 1 but I feel you. Yeah it is an awesome anime
I love it. IIm sutting here listening to you read the article and thinking "THAT IS NOT HOW THAT SEEN WENT! WHAT REALLY HAPPENED WAS ---" just for you to present the actual scene with all its context .
I truly detest people like the author of the article (who insist on having opinions on things they never consumed) since ive missed out on great shows, books, movies, and games because of them. I almost passed this show by because of its reputation.
Holy crap you read Thomas Covenant! I really love the fantasy setting in that series! The Land (and the cool 6th sense you get there) blew my mind!
I've read the entire Thomas Covenant series. What this male feminist didn't mention is that Thomas assaulted the 15 year old girl immediately after she greeted him as the world's savior and cured his leprosy. She then didn't rat him out to her father because she valued saving the world over her own safety. He did suffer consequences, but they were by no means immediate. Also, he in fact did have power over his victim, who thought he was the only person who could save the world. This is compared to a shut in who stole panties and humiliated bullies. Really. Really!?
I know it's not the writers intention but definitely makes me want to be hit by a truck.. but this story hits harder than most I've watched since the likes of Eva, GitS, Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Beebop.. there's been some funny and good ones but this one hits differently.. failure, regret, remorse, loss and being the subject of the 'class's' rejection and bullying.. What would you do if given another chance with the memories you have now..? Thing's probably very different.. I will support this anime till I die..to detractors be glad my desire isn't like Redo of Healer even if the world deserves it.. or Berserk for that matter... the rot is rather deep after all.. this one helps me get up in the morning to face another day of doldrum.. false hope but hope none the less..
Nat dunking on dumbasses from twitter is my favourite genre.
it also gives a lefty like me some insight into what the alt-right might be calling "woke mind virus" (maybe?)
the vocal minority of SJW white knights trying to virtue signal over such things... really comes across as some weird form of mental gymnastics? clout farming? ragebaiting? audience capture?
btw this does not justify the alt-right one bit when they religiously support such paragons of conservative values as trump and other far right demagogues. but in the face of THOSE actual real-life sex offenders who wield actual real-life power... it feels kinda ridiculous to go ham on rudeus xD
The fact that this anime is so utterly despised by idiots on twatter was half the reason I watched the series.
Amen. I watched some video criticising it and decided I had to see it myself if it was really that bad. Ended up loving it😊.
@@carlosmourgues7884 I binged the whole first season in a day and I regret nothing! I highly recommend this awesome series!
I'd like author projection for 1000 Natalie. Thank you for this great deconstruction of an author clearly ignorant of the source material. I wonder how hurt they will be when they find out that Eris doesn't leave forever, who the mysterious blue haired girl is, and that Sara and Rudy on seeing one another again, apologize to each other. It amazes me that the worst offenders of what these people claim to hate about MT get free passes seemingly because they are women, like Lilia *groomer* and Ariel *grapest*. It is somewhat amazing that Rudy becomes as good a person as he does in the MT world. He had many opportunities to go bad, but his dedication to taking advantage of his second chance at getting serious about living is what I find inspiring.
29:42 And Rudeus is just as much an object, a character with no autonomy whatsoever, so all is fair when everyone is the same.
I will never understand why specifically Mushoku Tensei became the target of so many people, is it because the MC was ugly in the past life? is it because some girls are lolis? is it because it was a famous show? like, why is it that specifically this show got to be the target?
You know the story is good when those people need to make things up and/or appeal to morality in order to make any sort of "critiscism", while it's pathetic it's also sad to know how many people those hate videos/posts can influence in order to hate the show without even watching it.
Thank you for once again going into the abyss and coming back with a clever response, it's always good to hear you answering to those idiots on the internet.
I hope things get better with you financial situation btw, maybe you just get lucky and win the lottery, who knows, right? XD
I think it's because Rudeus clearly has some metaphysical connection to his previous adult life, as evidenced by his memories and self-perception whenever he's in Hitogami's realm. It's easy for these to make any particular viewer uncomfortable if they stop to look at the situation. Like how continuous is Rudeus' existence from Japan to the Six Face World? Even if he has the same memories and self-perception, how much of him is the same person? Some people have trouble reconciling that question (with the more extreme cases being those that constantly start shit about MT), while others have an easier time hand-waving that away or accepting it for what it is.
Just as much as you feel it's unnecessary/unfair for people to make things up or appeal to morality, it's just as unfair to invalidate other people's feelings when they feel uneasy about some of the stuff that happens in MT due to Rudeus. Granted that should go both ways, and people shouldn't denounce those that have fewer hang-ups about enjoying an anime. 🤷♀
@@justanothergirl__ i see the point, i guess Rudy still having his old world voice does impact people a lot (i wish he didn't and just got the old voice when in hitogami dream, but ohh well, here is to hope that it changes at the end of the season)
just to be clear, i don't mind if people dislike the show for a moral reason, what i hate is people who go everywhere to harass those who liked the show or that makes articles/videos like the one nat is answering to in order to attack the show, if they feel uneasy that's fine, but attacking the show, calling the MC the p word, attacking the staff/author, those are things i don't tolerate, the anime is good, if one doesn't like it thats fine, but don't go calling the show or it's fans names...
@@Ricardo_RickHonestly, yeah, I can handle anything but calling the author anything words (A real human mind you.)
And then ofc the false pedo argument against Rudeus.
Just watching the anime leaves some things unclear but a lot of things are still hella obvious.
Like some people use Rudeus appearing in Hitogami’s place as who he truely is, just an old man controlling a kids body, but no. That’s just how he views himself, so that’s what he appears as.
He even has different traits than his old self, he doesn’t have all the hatred and resentment for one. The sound of people having sex calms him, but his old self hated hearing these sounds.
Also Rudy is calmed by familiar smells and stuff.
While it is true that in Rudeus body is Earthdeus soul, in MT canon souls don’t do much if I remember right. They give memories and animate people and stuff, that’s really all, they don’t have own personalities and stuff.
This is why it’s reincarnation but a little bit different than normal, it isn’t anything like Nanahoshi’s predicament.
Now this sounds like it is meaningless if Rudeus really isn’t his old self technically, as it gets rid of the whole point. But it doesn’t.
That’s why he still has the memories, his past memories traumatize him and cause problems early on with how he views people and the world, even his parents.
It also gives the chance for the author to still have Rudeus make jokes and references from our world.
It’s all supposed to build off of his previous life though, if he was still the same person we couldn’t expect much from him.
And the pedo/groomer argument makes me mad cause it’s false and call him anything else. No one is gonna fight you if you call him a piece of shit and all that.
Cause he does fuck up, he isn’t even close to perfect and he has times where he is at his lowest even later on, or things that could’ve happened. If you know what I am referring to.
MT is much more interesting because they don’t get any karmic retribution or punishment but instead learn from their actions and stuff. Rudeus did use his memories to do some messed up stuff, especially as a kid when he didn’t understand some of the consequences or how wrong his actions were. The most he questions some of his actions early on is knowing they are technically, “wrong” but doing them anyways. Now as he grows up you slowly see him becoming more aware of things, understanding right and wrong a bit more, tryna make those better decisions. Especially how he sees killing, slavery is clearly something he isn’t positive or negative of, but he grew up in a world where there are a lot of legal slavery places. It had become natural to him and he would likely wanna forget most things about our world, especially in regards to morals and what’s right and wrong, considering him doing something right is what led to his past life being so miserable.
So I don’t think any, “He has memories of our world so he should know certain things are wrong.” Argument really works, as early on he is a child, and when he grows up he is more connected to the six faced world than our world, his memories create funny moments and can clearly help though.
And him thinking in full sentences and having complex thoughts at birth has happened with some other children so…Either way it is high fantasy, gotta suspend some disbelief for the story to be told in the first place.
This just feels like a rant and I probably twisted things up since I am just spewing words out.
Thing is you can really see all types of perspectives on this stuff. I was just tryna go with simple stuff that debunks silly arguments.
With that said, Rudeus is still certainly a bunch of criminal names lol.
No one should be defending some stuff he does. Sometimes he is just a mentally weak self indulgent bastard.
@@bravosix2960 Yeah, he is really selfish and degenerate sometimes, but that's it, he might have started as a "bad" person, but he is not evil, i mean, his death came from him sacrificing his own life to save the life of someone he didn't even know, but those haters simply forget that part
@@Ricardo_Rick Yeah.
I am not gonna lie and say he isn’t indulged, as he kinda is, but he learns to grow from all of his mistakes and “indulgences” and he certainly is strong (I absolutely adore this series fights and OP characters, especially Rudy, though Rudy is a weaker OP characters because of his flaws and stuff.) even still the story is a powerful fantasy all and all, just a well done one without making people untouchable.
But yeah, he learns to grow from what he did wrong, because he knows it is wrong. But he is still not very strong minded and needs support from people to get better.
And through this he gets better, rather than being punished and turning into something *worse*.
And his early on stuff normally isn’t wiped away like some haters complain, like Paul and Lilia thing in vol. 1 actually connects together. Unlike the anime just simply having it be said that Paul raped Lilia in the past and that’s that.
Either way, it isn’t just ignored. At all.
Some smaller things are like him peeking, even though people still scold him for it.
But in the context of the world he is just a kid, for us we know he is a kid with memories. And through some people mind he is a 34 year old, either they see he is doing good, skip portions, are uncomfortable, just don’t agree, try to stuff their own narrative, or anything like that.
Now by the time he is in Ranoa university, his past behavior is *not* gonna fly fr
And then you got the idiots who add his past life age to his current age, that’s just not how that works at all.
You're amazing Natalie, thank you for your Mushoku Tensei videos 👌🏽
Thank you so much!!
I am so sick of these "Fans" who decided a piece of Fiction isnt good because they dont handle a Subject the way the deem it should. This always happens with Popular Anime, just like Shield Hero and the False Accusations, or the Trope of Slaves in Isekai.
If the dont like it, then just DONT WATCH IT. There are sooooo many other types of Anime/Manga out there. Instead of them Complaining about one they dont like, they could just talk about ones they do. I always hear about them complaining about the OP Male Isekai Hero, but I never hear ANY of them talk about the ones with Female Heroes, like Heretical Last Boss Queen.
Anger sells better. No need to feed the trolls, so I just try to ignore those "fans".
Granted, sometimes the trolls have a nasty bite when politicians get involved, but more often than not it is all bark and no bite.
@pietersleijpen3662 Its why I dont watch Vids from people like those Nat are talking about. My real issue is when I try and talk to people in Comments in Vids like this one.
I always try and talk to them in Good Faith, and while I do find a few that will have a Civil Discussion with me about it, more often then not they just want to Force their own Views onto the Story.
More often then not they get Facts Wrong, and when pushed will admit then never bothered to Watch/Read the thing they are Complaining about. My issue then is why are they even Complaining about something they dont care enough about to even engage with. They just want to ruin it for those of us that do.
Couldn’t help but notice the original didn’t even mention Rudy almost committing during the Sara portion makes me think they didn’t even watch it and just got their info from reddit or Twitter
Why would anyone watch a show they hate
@@kova1729 why would you offer an opinion on material you dont understand lmfao
@@DellikkilleD Why are you purposefully attributing a lack of understanding as a sole factor to someone hating a piece of media when you know damn well it's a multi factor reasoning. You are straw manning brother, get your shit together.
@@kova1729 it is not a multifactor reasoning lmfao. Im not straw manning shit, you shouldnt use words you clearly dont understand kid. The hate on MT is entirely predicated on outright falsehood, clearly a projection on the part of the actual freak pdfs virtue signaling.
See here's the thing about reincarnation and the keeping of your memories is that it could be seen as a harsh punishment and burden all in one. You can't speak of a past life without sounding like a complete nutter in a fantasy world or imagine you left behind a wife, kid, family or friends behind in your old life and now have no way of ever returning or seeing them again. Your memory of a past life would outright haunt you. We know the past haunted Rudy for a very long time even in his new life and took him serious hard work to fully get over with the help of some amazing people. Is that not enough of a punishment that his past trauma follows him everywhere. Even in S2 it's still there. He suffered bullying so humiliating that is way beyond what most ordinary people could deal with. Most people would struggle to deal with that even if given a second chance at life. The fact is Rudy didn't get a chance to grow up normally, hell because of what happened during puberty it would have liked caused to him regress in mental age.
So in terms of punishment he is constantly being punished through out his life in other ways like through plot elements or character relationships. Eris "abandoned" him and causing his issue with women, a mental block to having relation with women for a long time. He got teleported to a hostile place and only managed to survive thanks to good fortune. His new family and friends he knew were scattered across the world. We also have things like whenever he tried to do something a little pervy with Eris, he got his ass beat. What more do you want as punishment? Him being executed? See him locked up for years for what back in those days as soon as boys and girls hit puberty you were adults, no such thing as a teenager back in those kind of times. Now let's be honest a lot of teenagers today get up to far worse behind closed doors. I know friends who as a teen got another teenager pregnant or got themselves pregnant and became a father/mother way too young and no I ain't speaking as an old man. I'm a young man in his 20's.
These people somehow forget Rudy was playing with Sylphy all day long, every day! If anybody spent time with their small relatives would know it is God damn BORING. Sure, i love my nephew and like spending time with her if it is less than few hours as i can't bare it longer. But somehow "adult man" Rudy was playing with Sylphy entire day for months if not years. He didn't even know Sylphy was a girl back then, again "an adult man" would notice it without any question. Simply because he wasn't feeling nor thinking like an adult man rather a child. His memories were making him a wise child at best, in fact there are so many his childish mistakes and antics in the story. So many people miss this fact and somehow consider him as "an adult man" which is just ridiculous. If somebody thinks Mushoku tensei anime is "pedo" you can bet they either didn't watch the show or are below average intelligence..
You know untill MT anime came out I never seen anyone correlate memories to age in Tensei. When I first read MT whenever Rudy refers himself as an "adult" I always go "are you though?" He's so childish in the way that he thinks he's an adult who he was in his past life.
@@Vishnup6932 You are right, even thinking "I'm an adult now" is a childish antic. Nobody becomes an adult by their declaration rather by their actions and he wasn't an adult in his past life neither. Mushoku tensei is all about a man-child/actual child finally becoming an adult man and it is a wholesome story. Too bad so many people can't see it. Anime is a little in blame too as LN Rudy is way more childish and unstable so it is obvious he is changing.
@@ggoddkkiller1342 probably also because of the stigma towards sex in anime. I've seen many people associate ecchi with trash.
When I think of stories with morally grey protagonists, the “redemption” usually has little to do with being punished and is more about choosing to do something noble or selfless.
Narratively speaking, “punishment” is generally what happens when a character fails to depart from a certain path in time to avoid the full consequences of that path. Hence, it’s a fate usually reserved for an antagonist, or the protagonist in a cautionary tale, rather than for characters with questionable morals per se.
Rudeus’ redemption begins in literally the first couple of chapters with the resolution to do his best in this new life: which we see him put into from basically the moment he’s able to do anything himself.
Meanwhile, any problematic interactions he has with other characters are shown to be a function of his naivety and sexual frustration rather than the calculated manipulations of a sexual predator (side note: but even the thing about training Sylphie to be his perfect woman gets dropped seconds later in the light novel, with Rudeus himself acknowledging that this would make him a “very pathetic type of villain”). It’s not something he needs to atone for so much as a lesson he failed to learn in his previous life, but once he does learn it there’s no problem anymore. That’s what his journey is about: going through all the stages of development he missed out on the first time around.
And honestly, why would Sylphie or Eris bear him any sort of grudge for those early incidents? As kids, they were also naive about these things, and as adults . . . well, they aren’t third wave feminists, so it’s safe to assume they would just look back and say “My, young Ruddy was prodigious in more ways than one, wasn’t he?”
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Rudy not only never hurt anyone, he actually got to where he was by trying to CORRECT an injustice.
He was targeted after trying to stand up to bullies, who were bullying him and others.
He became the way he is only after his sense of justice and human decency were completely trampled by the bullies behavior.
He tied up two girls gag them, had them piss themselves, starve them, sexual assault them all because they broke a figure he had no right to make in the first place. Rudy isn't a good person
Not to mention said bullies were never punished or had any consequences as far as we know
@@ramirobarrera2845 EXACTLY! what utter injustice! midshoku tenshit is poorly written pabulum to justify bullying and ingratiate bullies smfh icanteven /s
@alveolate damn bro lol you really hate ppl that don't think like you given your comment history. Bro might be a bigot and doesn't even know it
@@alveolateXD
Jobless reinshit (weinshit) [Weeatshit]
14:34 there’s also the little thing of it being in the head of what 99.999% of people in that universe would assume is a child who wouldn’t even know how to do it.
man the amount of projection is insane 18:05
hahahhahahaha
Stories should invoke emotions including those you are uncomfortable with and be able to tread on topics to empathize with, to distain and to be angry about.
There is a world to be craft, story to be told and for the hero's journey participate in which we get to scrutinize and see a redemption. It is too bad those that hate idea of redemptions and growth of characters or bringing any understanding of characters using dispicable resources available to them.
Like the Sylphette stripping, Rudeus did try to face up to his mistake, would this writer actually take any responsibility of mistakes they would have made? What about all those who suffer through social anxiety, they suppose to magically be able to set aside their struggles and able to do what they need to perfectly in stressful situations?
there is no sympathy from these people it seems.
Of course this person comes to the conclusion that they did. To someone like this every work of fiction has to not only agree with their world view, but it has to do so in the most obvious way possible. Oh, and context--like the setting--has no meaning, unless we're talking about something they themselves did and then it's the most important thing. Any story that doesn't send an obvious message that agrees with their narrative of the world is dangerous because it then must be sending the complete opposite message.
this gives me the feel of someone who read Mushoku Tensei from the rumors rather from the source material and decided to write an article about it.
or they did read it and selective memory is one hell of a drug.
Most critics of Mushoku Tensei are based on the thesis “this is a redemption story, which is supposed to show us that even the worst person can become good". And then they talk about how dangerous this trope is and how poorly it's delivered. But where did it come from? Did Rifujin ever say anything like that? This interpretation of the story seems forced, and the conclusion simply means that the initial description doesn't fit.
I've always thought it's actually the other way around: the story wants to show us that what is done cannot be undone, that it's not easy to change yourself, even if you start from scratch, and that you can't escape the past. And if you look at Mushoku's story from this point of view, it is almost perfect and has no major flaws.
That is, the problem is incorrect presupposition, which I'm afraid in this case is “a feature, not a bug”.
Did you just say this show is perfect and has no flaws if you looked at it from a certain angle? What kind of delulu clown baloney is that?
the article had me shaking my head so many times in disbelief. What I first got out of the series was that it was about second chances (I can be very much wrong about that) and I saw myself in Rudy at least a few times while going through it. This was a very nice video.
Second chances and trying to live life properly. With all the ups and downs, bad and good.
That’s how I see it and the title does translate to something like “trying to live life seriously this time.” Or something like it.
Always a good day when we get a Nyatalie video
Always a good day when nat makes a video
Why must people "suffer"? This person's proclivity to say that the moment Sarah tells off Rudy as "The most satisfying moment of the show" really tells me a lot about this person. That moment was devastating to me, and it was meant to be devastating. You're supposed to be rooting for Rudy's improvement and to see him throw a lot of it away felt horrible. You shouldn't *feel satisfied* about someone "getting what they deserve". That's just psychopathic behavior. Searching for a vessel that you believe to be worthless enough that you justify the hatred of. The reason it felt bad is because Sarah was right, Rudy was spiraling, and was hurting people around him.
I don't understand why people are obsessed with this idea of "you must SUFFER for your actions..." It gives me lots of creepy original sin self whipping vibes.
I agree so much.
Rudeus had been tryna change himself, you can see it.
If one doesn’t like when he does something wrong or super creepy that is whatever, especially early on.
Plus even still he can have weird thoughts but a lot really are just weird jokes and not at all serious. His memories are filled with so much pop culture, anime stuff, visual novel stuff, porn. It makes sense why his brain sometimes thinks about those things, all those memories and especially ones about him being bullied and a shut in is what caused his trauma for his new life.
But you can support Rudy but not agree with his actions, that is likely the point.
I prob wouldn’t like Rudy as a person especially if I knew him from a young age. But it’s different in the case of a story.
Especially all the real challenges that Rudeus faces.
And people just focus on the negative and say he has to be punished equally for the bad thing he did. Rudeus for example when almost taking advantage of Eris at his birthday said in his thoughts that he had went too far, and many other terrible things, about himself and his actions, and about how he hurt Eris.
He realized that he had done something wrong, and this lines up because with the age he was at this time he would start thinking of things like this.
In this scenario when his actions were leading into the worst, he hated himself for it. And when she forgave him, he desperately apologized and decided to treat her better, because she had forgiven him in spite of what he did.
Yet everyone wanted her to like be traumatized or hate him in someway. Eris was mad, but also the way her parents and grandfather are and everything, it just wouldn’t make sense in the setting.
So that’s why when the turning point happens, Rudeus devotes himself to getting Eris home and hanging on to their promise, it’s for a bunch of reasons but I can end this here as I am sure you understand all of this.
Anyways why would I use this example? Idk if it is the anime or whatever, but this scene is a big example when people feel like he needs to be punished.
Now I am also admitting there are ofc indulgent moments in the series which makes sense because of obvious reasons, and some weird stuff and blah blah. But these are used in a unique way most times, often they help Rudeus grow in some way.
Which goes against a lot of people’s punish mindset, which would just make things way worse.
And I think we *know* why.
Damn another long comment.
Whoops, just have so much thoughts. And I think I keep mixing things up because I am reading through the novels rn. But I get early events confused since I read vol. 1 and 2. And some of 6 but I ran into small spoilers so I have been reading from where the anime was.
But I mostly just wanna get past vol. 18 then reread from the start I suppose.
@@bravosix2960 I appreciate long comments in a world where people just reply "bruh" with a skull emoji
@@Sammysapphira bruh 💀☠️
Sorry I had too! lol
Advocating for people to pay for their mistakes is nothing new... It has been in literature since ancient times ( especially in Ancient Greek epics, poems etc.).
1:33 now I kinda want a voice recording of "I will fulfil you very soon" :D
Rifujin did a good job to trigger debates about his work story of redemption from a reincarnated man that was reprehensible in his previous life. Truck-kun started it all and is really the true hero. Good to see you Natalie. Thank you for the content as always.
Thanks for posting this. Sometimes it feels like a whole bunch of outsiders that aren’t exactly attuned to anime in general topics like this and or run with it without any further information….
Alright so i rewatched the episode involving Paul and Lilias affair and it did mention later that paul did SA Lilia in the past through a conversation between Rudeus and her. I then went and watched some reaction videos and it turns out that some Interpreted that conversation to be about the recent event, and also them taking what Rudeus said to Zenith at face value. Doesn't excuse this Journalist since their job is to get facts right but turns out its possible to come to that conclusion without listening to heresay.
Even just the premise that a redemption story must include some kind of recompense for actions before the start of the story is a bit misguided anyway. The key of a good redemption story is not repeating the mistakes of your previous failures and the struggle around doing that.
Its sad the number of people these days that can't separate fiction and reality.
it honestly feels like there will always be people who have an issue with this series purely because of rudy and always try to push political or heavily misguided narratives all to keep themselves from enjoying the anime or reading the novels. i'd pretty much given up at this point trying to convince these people that they're missing the point of everything and refuse to put on their thinking caps in order to see the bigger picture.
24:03 having thrown water at while naked in a jail in the middle of the jungle is not humiliation
I’m pretty sure being naked in front of anyone, let alone thousands of beast people, is humiliation.
"should she be traumatized and..." Yes. To these people absolutely yes; because they would be traumatized by a feather so long as it was a male holding it.
typical tourists
It's really unfortunate that the ED Arc didn't give us Rudy's inner dialogue during the first half as he became Quamire Rudeus. The ED Arc is actually my favorite Arc as we watch him confront his worst personality traits one by one. And, because his reasoning behind his actions is called out one by one, it would be harder for someone to twist what the show is really about.
Without his inner dialogue, we really skim over just how much heartache and emotional suffering Rudy went through. It's part of the reason why i don't debate anyone's personal takes on Mushoku. Even when people are completely wrong about the show and its intentions, it's hard to showcase exactly why they are wrong using the anime only information.
I think mushoku is a wonderfully written story about overcoming yourself, your past traumas and doubts, to take a step forward and another chance on life. And im glad that there are other people that got interested enough in its story to read or listen to the light novel to truly come to love the show as much as I do.
Its so obvious when critics of the show have only read wikis and forum posts rather than actually reading the books and having an opinion from them. Its ok to not like the show, novels or manga, but be honest why you don't enjoy it, and not just repeat stuff you read on a wiki or forum.
I'd like to introduce this person to the Redo of Healer anime, and watch as they get an aneurysm over fiction while there are so much more in the real world we should be concerned about..
U mean, I get your point but Redo of Healer is actual, genuine garbage with ne redeeming quality whatsoever. I will die on that hill. And before you call me an insufferable prude, know that I am a massive GOMG fanboy.
@@h0ll0w0neIt was written to be garbage and just attract controversy and capitalize on revenge stories at the time.
So makes sense.
@@h0ll0w0ne never said it was not.. thats my whole point. You may genuenly be upset on that story instead of mushoku. However, it is still fiction.. i seriously dont get people who hang up on fiction, because unlike reality, you can pretty much look the other way, and have no consequences.. that is the whole point of fiction..
[Read all before crucifixion.. or not, its the internet after all]
I know i will be stirring up controversy here, but i dont have problems with *drawn* underage stuff either (maybe thats what should be shown to this dude).. nobody was harmed, you can dislike it and dont look at it, and if someone has that kind of interest, they can vent without harming anyone.. again *drawn stuff, not irl cp*
I feel like digging my own grave here, but i think if they have some interest in the matter, it is best to have a place to vent. Its a much greater risk if they have to keep thinks bottled up.
For lack of better analogue, just take a look at the alcohol ban in the US history.. some stopped drinking, but most just turned to illigal stuff.. I know its not really a great example, but I dont know of any wide-scale stuff off the top of my head, and cant be fucked to research for a youtube comment.. Maybe the question about legalizing some drugs.. yet agaim from the US
[Edit: Before someone comes at me with a boxcutter.. most anime characters ARE underage, around 16-17 usually. So if you ever engaged with "drawn art", then you have most likely seen cp by definition.]
@@meihara9415 Oh, I pretty much fully agree with all that. If someone likes Redo that is their preference. I just think it's story, characters and everything else is trash.
If someone likes it, good for them I guess, just keep it in the cartoon.
This deserves way more views. Mushoku Tensei isn't a redeemtion story nor is it a power fantasy... it's bits and pieces of both along with real human emotion and struggle. This LN/WN getting an adaptation has been an amazing and terrible thing, I wish anime wasn't as mainstream anymore in the west.
24:20 Remember the free apartment ad in the Great Forest, in Dedoldia Village? he got it for free after saving the children and the holy beast, then he got an upgrade after saving the village from fire. Worth mentioning about Galus fight, if the holy beast hadn't joined in, he would've let him do what he wanted..Still, he played the crucial role of defeating him while others tanked/distracted him
Here is my response on this.
"He is a" one of those "because his mind is 40ish"
Well, that would be valid if they did not also argue "that vampire looks like a child, it doesn't matter if she is 1000 years old!"
Either the body counts, or the mind counts. By making both arguments, you lose any credibility that either stance could have.
See you don't have a point Loli is a body type not age.
There are some exceptions of course.
Beatrice from Re:Zero is clearly a child in body and mind despite being whoever many years old.
But in general you're correct. Besides age in fantasy tends to be messy to begin with. Is Elinalise a predator if she goes after any young man? You could argue both ways.
@@lucasvanwijngaarden670 see this isn't that hard to understand if a person is a child their a child but a Loli isn't about age but body type. That's why there many types of Loli and all are base on appearance.
Loli, oppai Loli, Loli baba,
A Loli is a short flat chest body
A oppai Loli has big boobs but still are short
A Loli baba is a old woman with a Loli body type like that woman from yu yu hakusho
I used to say this, but it misses the point of none of them being real, "no kid was harmed during the production of this drawing"
@@eddieboston6540 please quote where the word Loli was used in my post.
I said "child". Learn to read
Tell me you didn’t read/listen to the LN or watch the anime without telling me you didn’t read/listen to the LN or watch the anime. 🤣
Me, or the guy I'm responding to? Because I definitely did read and watch it lol!
@@NatalieXHunter The person who wrote the article, I know you did both. In retrospect I should have clarified my bad
at this point I simply ignore these discussions. it all started with Tate no Yuusha back then, people talking shit about stuff they shouldn't talk about, or rather those people shouldn't be heard at all. free speech is sadly a double edged one lol, all you can do is ignore the white noise.
I don’t understand what exactly Rudas has done that people think he deserves punishment for or consequences. True he does think about doing some bad things, but he never actually acts on his thoughts usually when he tries, he’s usually prevented from acting it by outside forces
I love these call out videos.
I would love to watch your spoiler videos to support you but I’m anime only.
A lot of the hate for this show boils down to people's dislike of Asian culture IMO. I was just talking about this show with a friend because we watched a movie made in America called Lisa Frankenstein and they literally have a scene where a teen girl is being masturbated by a reanimated corpse. I brought up how I see stuff like this in Western media all the time but if it were an anime people would be freaking out.
Yeah, there's nothing in MT that isn't also in ASOIAF, I bring this up all the damn time lol. But in ASOIAF/GoT it's just edgy, in MT or any other anime with things like that in it it somehow means the author is a bad person... These critics have no self awareness.
@@NatalieXHunterMost annoying people are people hating on the author or calling him shit.
If I remember he had talked about somewhere, how he had a certain conversation with his mom when he was at his worst.
This is a big reason for a lot of the very personal family themes. Plus I believe his mother passed away before he completed the final volume of MT, but not fully sure.
And yet some people I get in arguments with will call the author someone who hates women/doesn’t understand human relationships
And all types of shit like that. I hate it. It’s clearly incorrect.
I am sure he is a little weird and clearly very creative. But that isn’t bad, we wouldn’t have so much stories if people just wrote what they believed in and were comfortable in, and didn’t explore further. Only tryna be safe and friendly.
This is the number one thing that makes me bad, I can ignore a lot of the other stuff most times but Rifujin is a real person.
Good thing Rifujin doesn’t care about any dumb “criticism” or haters.
But really anybody attacking an author for their ideas is just disgusting behavior.
Hearing all of this article being read just makes me think this person has never actually watched it by giving it a fair shake. It sounds like they came in with preconceived notions that Rudeus is reprehensible. This sound like this person is watching the show to be able to say that they watched it while writing the article without actually pondering about why the author had chosen the specific way that it was portrayed.
I make a habit of ignoring feminists when it comes to games and anime. More so because their arguments involve obvious lies or misrepresentation.
Nice video
I can really only assume the person who made that article or whatever never actually watched or read Mushoku Tensei as none of their arguments made any sense especially not their conclusion
honestly i don't mind it, Mushoku Tensei being able to gate keep itself is a good thing and i wish more franchises could pull it off as effectively
if they want to make articles to keep other leeches away... great
We live in a time where Social Media platforms, TH-cam and other content forms reward bad takes and good takes equally. Post a bad take and everyone is up in arms over it? Take in all the traffic and issue a small apology. It's the new version of there is no such thing as bad PR, as long as people are engaging in your content the platform is happy. I am not saying everyone does this, but the most influential people who should be responsible and not put out garbage takes, are there to grab attention and don't care who keeps repeating their bad takes.
There are 2 types of people who put out L takes on the story, those who hear distorted information from second hand sources and don't bother to check and those who lost the plot and are only going through the story to back up their bad take. They post their bad takes, people argue and the platform promotes the discussion, if there is anything not getting punished its the promotion of misinformation, The kind bad info that can lead people to ingesting disinfectant to clear a virus ...
Seeing the way people like this try to critique MT really makes me understand and appreciate the phrase "cast not pearls before swine."
Also heres the thing, a woman directed American Psycho and I would totally recommend the Directors Cut of the film and out of all the films directed by women, American Psycho never even gets a single nod, but of course as for the topic at hand, I think women should enjoy anime even if the protagonist is questionable at the beginning as long as the story is gripping and also entertaining as well, people are just doing this just because they have no value to their life and want to feel like they are the victims in this situation, they keep saying it is all about them and make these disgusting hit pieces without doing any actual research, that's the thing that irks me, nobody does any research. I mean try to enjoy watching anime for what it is.
Women are not that sensitive about these things, why do you think we are the main audience for true crime type stuff lol!
@@NatalieXHunter True but there are rich white liberal women with nothing better to do in order to make themselves feel oppressed
idk, the article was written by a man AFAIK.
@@NatalieXHunter More like a low testosterone Soy Boy if you ask me
Remember everyone, people how complain about Dark fictional stories, always end up having it in there likes, or are scretly hiding there feeling from liking the Dark stuff in fiction...So there is a good chance they are just being hypocrites over it...
PDF file is a funny way to say it tho haha he is a man child, someone who never grew up and ended up with a twisted mind, starting from a child in a new life he has the chance to grow as an adult for the first time but with an "adult" mindset, i can admit that it is a hard thing to understand, even some fans dont fully understand it but lying about the motivations of the characters on deleted chapters and hearsay is not something they should do, but we know they wont listen to constructive critics
The thing about amnesia-free reincarnation is, we have no idea what it’s like because it doesn’t happen to us. We don’t exactly know how relevant or resilient “mental age” is to the hormones and impulses of biological age.
When I was 15 years old, I was sexually attracted to 15 year old girls in my grade. As a dad in his 30s, I’m no longer attracted to 15 year old girls. Is that a result of my age or the fact that I’m no longer shackled by a puberty bombarded teenage vessel?
Those people so lack media literacy and do not comprehend the concept of character development to the point of uniorinically thinking that character at chapter one is an end product, that won't ever change.
Paused at 8:19.
Ouch that was a hot take.
Had he brought up Paul there as the one that failed to guide Rudy better or some such more like that; I might be able to understand the point better.
I see what you mean that they seem to miss the point already.
The Anime Feminist? Ugh, doubtful anything of merit ever came out of that site. And seeing what they said about this, I'm not wrong. Mushoku is an incredible story, and it gets better as it goes.
This is just a take they know people are going to be annoyed at and hope for rage clicks.
I remember this article being recommended to me by some hardcore MT-haters, who all were pretty far right in their poltical believes!
MT haters will make any and every excuse to slander the story. As they have proven to me, they will even toss aside their own poltical opinions, just to endorse someone, who also hates MT like themselves. Astounding!
And, yes, I read the entire article. What I took away from it is, that its author ignored everything in the story that would go against their claims (which are a lot of things!), just to sh*t on MT! This is a very classic tactic among the haters. Moreover, the article also gets many facts wrong and simply copypastes all the "scandals" (=mostly misinterpretations of dicey scenes), that the MT-hater have been peddling to that point. The authro basically admit in their own article, that they didn't care whether there will be any character developement in the future for Rudy (or other characters), because they had already made up their mind about the story. ---> THIS EXACT MINDSET is the epitome of the MT-haters way of thinking: "The story is pdf-file, because I have already decided, that this is what it is! I don't care about anything that happens on screen, unless it supports my claims and if something doesn't , I'll just ignore it!"
for some reason far right people from the US are the ones that mostly loves to call others the P word, while here in Brazil that is also the truth some leftist people also uses it, but it's more rare, i just wanted to state this funfact, i wonder why they are so obssessed with it, maybe skeletons in the closet?
As with a lot of these sorts of arguments, I feel that they aren’t really engaging with the work properly. There’s no hint that they have looked at the authors motivations or anything. Also, they are shoehorning their worldview or philosophical framework onto it without really interrogating it properly. Or at least that’s how it seems to me.
The only thing I agree with particularly is the bit about Roman Polanski but that has nothing to do with Mushoku Tensei at all.
Yeah, I do agree with what he says about how those powerful men are protected, but it has nothing to do with MT or Rudeus and to liken the two things was just baffling to me. I guess the writer would rather be writing about actual real world problems but doesn't get hired for anything like that so just has to shoehorn it in to an article about anime....
@@NatalieXHunter I agree, totally baffling. I also hope that there would be more rigor involved when writing about real world issues.
Great video! Rlly enjoyed ur takes! I get u prob dont want to give more attention to dumb articles but id love to see paragraphs, clips from manga or just in general text when reading something to also make it easier to follow for my slow brain xD Still very enjoyable
The bit about his treatment of Eris. Rudy and Eris essentially lived together for at least a year or two, practically alone except for Ruijard, are we to assume there wasn't at least discussion about it for all that time? For that situation, just because it's not shown, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
If you're still offering the sound clips when I start streaming, I'll make sure to think of you for a sound alert. Probably something Shield Hero or Mushoku Tensei related
So much misinformation (probably because he doesn't actually know the right information) and so many bad faith arguements that it's hard to listen to.
I'm not sure if this was meant to be a serious article, but if ragebaiting was the intention then he succeeded.
Its really the same song and dance with these people. if someone gets reincarnated and apparently keep thier minds and past life brain in tact. They don't want to think of that person who is now an acutal child to be seen as one but to be only known for their past age. Ive brought this up somewhere else but how the hell is it they think well if hes this age then he should only be dating people around thier mental age. In this case Rudy should only date roxy . But here is the problem lets say they get that wish and rudy dates a woman his age and she was human, do they understand that they paired a child with an middle age to elderly person and that won't look right anywhere? No , so imo rudy waited till he was in a real relationship especially with slyphie amd they are both consenting adults. So stop with the gacha momemts of going see ! See! He is a creep and people like this eewwww!
Oh yeah he did only go after people like that when at adult range.
Eris doesn’t count because while they did love each other, Rudy was tryna get her home and then tried to even deny her tryna fuck as he didn’t like the idea and thought it was a bad idea. Even still she was an adult about that time.
Probably just how things went.
31:42 I can imagine a fair criticism for malecentric guidance in the general bildungsroman: the masculine mentor typical for a boy to grow under doesn't need to be male to fit their role; however, in a society where men fill the roles that boys take up, such as in the world of MT, it is appropriate for men to predominantly mold the bildungsroman.
People are OBSESSED with consequences in fiction for some reason. They're so obsessed that authors now make it a point to reach down with the hand if god and force these consequences even if it makes the actual writing of the story worse.
8:44 Use the Phonetic Alphabet, perfect excuse to lengthen the video and would sound hilarious to anyone that doesn’t get it.
8:15 Bro the way they are skewing the events is crazy
15:00 Did bro not even watch the episode? Like that was the excuse he made up and it was if anything the opposite way around lol
In regards to the affair*
39:30 The stretch is mad lol
I really don’t know how someone could come to these conclusions, I can only assume that this article was some kind of clickbate but even that makes no sense cuz some of these crazy things are so far in
Almost everything he said was just wrong. Its fine to come to your own conclusions about a Story, but at lest get your Facts right about what happens in it. Its clear he got all his info from someone else who ALSO got their Facts wrong.
Well Rudy had an intrusive thought that’s the crime that the author is so upset about. You know men are not even allowed to have a sexual thought when a woman walks down the street in a bikini or topples.
funnily enough, the way that rudy is spoken of reminds me of rudeus's reputation as the owner of the dead ends, everyonethinks he's a sadistic tyrant who goes around oppressing people with sheer might
I don't get how people are more sympathetic to a character like Walter White, who becomes more evil as the narrative of Breaking Bad progresses, than Rudeus, who goes in the opposite direction.
Maybe people just hate anime for the sake of hating anime idk.
I like Walter white but I like rudy too. Different stories have Different theme and storytelling. But yes i've noticed that some people have a bais and double standard towards rudues. Kazuma abused the stealing panty trope far more than rudues but rudy seems to get the brunt of the criticism about it, disregarding the context behind it.
Because those people are the real bullies. I was wondering why Mushoku Tensei, and not KonoSuba, is widely criticized for its mistreatment of women. I think it's because we're constantly reminded that Rudeus is somehow connected to this broken man who isn't exactly handsome and is easy to hate. So they ignore the actual plot and impose their agenda, even if it doesn't really fit.
@@Anime-sy2tw I think that's a part of it. They can't conciously separate the old him from the new him. They in their minds are convince that rudy is the same fat guy operating his new body like an avatar rather than a real person now tied to that world.
I think they're just obsessed with seggs tbh. Like Walter White, he does all kinds of awful things, but they're not really as bad as stealing some panties, to these types.
@NatalieXHunter Honestly, people here in the US seem to think that anything involving seggs, even innocent stuff, is infinitely more serious than greed or murder. No in-between or nuance whatsoever.
That article sounds mind numbing to read, nice video going through it.
I just realized it was the writer that was making those comment about Rudy being a pdf Im silly XD good video Nat
it's like the anime feminist started watching show with a final conclusion in mind (that rudy is "problematic") and just views everything through those lens.
thanks for going through that for us. i would have lost braincells from reading it directly.
How does someone see a cripplingly awkward child who wants to apologize for doing something bad, and instead of seeing all that go "yup, he's objectifying that woman".
Brainrot this bad should get you committed.
39:00 No. Does it really want that?
I didn't get that out of it.
It was more like "What would you actually do if you were transported to another world" or "How to live your best life" or something like that.
For a group that promotes tolerance and acceptance of other cultures. They seem to really hate them when it does not conform to their sensibilities.
The moment the writer began with stating (erroneously) that Rudeus is a "pdf file", I knew it was all hogwash. I can't take you seriously If you can't even keep your facts straight.
True, at that point might as well spoil yourself to get facts right.
Curiously, Rudeus does seem to make connections to him being one later on, despite never actually going after or thinking anything really bad of anybody less than a year younger than him.
It is never outright stated though and all and all, Rudeus isn’t all knowing. He knows what he knows at the time and will share facts and ideas, put himself down and underestimate himself.
Love you hope all is well
the fact that the website also only approves comments that agree with the article is so funny
i recently saw someone saying (on Reddit) Redo of a healer was better than Mushoku Tensei for writing, in their words not exactly but the sum of what i remember "it makes more sense for what the character is doing in Redo than Rudy." they did mention the character is Redo is a psycho but still was trying to make some kind of downplay of Mushoku, now i hope they were a troll and not serious but after reading some of the people thoughts on the series/ip i would not be shocked.
Redo is a revenge story. Rudy doesn't have anyone he wants revenge on. It's a weird comparison.
@@NatalieXHunter i agree it was strange comparison
Nah, on Reddit it is typical normal behaviour. Lemme guess... r/animecirclejerk ?
These modern “journalists” cannot be taken seriously. They must be mocked
1:05 Fiction editing? Sounds like something I might want. Voice recording technically, too, but I guess the benefits of AI voices outweigh the benefits of recorded voices.
What I technically need to would be drawings (characters and backgrounds).
Oh, found it. I didn't expect such high prices. But when thinking about it, it's okay. I usually write my stories as scenes of around 1000 words, so editing a 10 chapter story would be around 100$.
Not sure if editing is even worth it. I fear that it will become a different writing style. I try to focus a lot on the important stuff without spending much time on atmosphere and such.
I guess it's worth a try. I'll come back to you once I finish one of my stories. Might be in a few weeks.