I was a jw for 25 yrs I was a pioneer I was a ministerial servant I was unjustifiably disfellowshiped but in reality I'm so glad they did, because I am no longer a wt slave I've been out for 15 years great interview
Never think anyone is too old to leave watchtower and start a new life. I left a year ago at the age of 61. Now I am a University student studying history and ancient religions and I'm aiming to get a degree. I've met some great, interesting, and lovely people. I've been taught by world renowned academics and I have a new life and have never been happier.
Congratulations Tina. I also went to university as a mature student. The intellectual stultification whilst in the organisation was crippling me and was made worse by the misogynism. I have a career now and a fulfilling life. My children are being supported to achieve their potential at university. May you continue to grow and learn as there is so much to explore.
I was also raised as a JW since 1958. Became a MS, father is still an elder. My son is an elder and gives talks in big assembly. I had left over 30 years ago and never looked back. I could relate to everything this video says.
Please give an update is there going to be a series like Breaking Amish!? That would be absolutely fabulous 💙💜❤️ great interview one of the best I’ve listened to. Recently woke up 30+ years in…..
I like people like Isaac because they are very therapeutic due their intelligence and integrity and well thought out manner. Would love to meet and befriend Isaac and others like him in person someday.
This was a very good interview. I almost passed it by because I have a hard time sitting through anything lengthy including movies. This was worth the time to listen. I have been out for over a decade and am somewhat active on JWR. I enjoy hearing others' stories. I faded and nobody cared to come find me and it was just as well.
Hi Isaac I asked you a question about 1 year ago but hadn't received an answer yet, as I'm sure you're pretty busy. You said something in your interview that grabbed my curiosity that seems like you wanted to say but got lost in the conversation. I was wondering what it was that you saw on the desk at bethel... did it have anything to do with your "awakening"? If it's not too much trouble or a security risk of some kind, it sounds like it would be enlightening to hear about. : )
This interview is powerful and is my favorite. I've listened/watched it more than once. I've been awakened to TTATT for a couple months and am in the process of planning my exit strategy...hope to be out of the organization by the end of the year. When the weight of my decision to leave the organization overwhelms me, I watch/listen to this interview and feel strengthened. Thank you for this great interview.
God bless this man! More power to anyone who is exposing these groups, who pray on victims of spiritual, sexual, and religious abuse. +JWstruggle thank you for this interview.
You both did a good job. This was an excellent uplifting and fascinating video. Incredible to hear some of those inside stories. And what a lovely intelligent man Isaac is. Thank you for another great vid Eric. X
Absolutely Excellent video👏 love you're story. I was in for over 40 plus years...I can truly appreciate you're experiences. I definitely thank both of you for the video.
Isaac I've never seen this before. I'm enjoying it for the first time tonight. Very cool of you to do. I was interviewed by Ruben years ago on camera. Good job kiddo.
One of your best interviews! I think it is great that Isaac has managed to stay so positive after leaving Watchtower. He definitely has a strong mind to be able to transfer the skills used while being a Jehovah’s Witness to the real world.
I'm a teacher. I left at age 32, took a couple of years to rebuild my psyche, but after that I went back to school. Now, I'm able to explain JW thinking to my colleagues, and they in turn can better understand the JW children and why they behave the way they do.
I love that Mr. Carmignani looks like the 'classic' elder! Mustache and all! There is one that looks like that in every congregation lol! Great video though!
My Dad didn't know my Mom was making us go to meetings until one of his construction friends saw us door knocking & asked him if his wife was a street walker. He was so angry. But she used or held his life over my head to keep me quiet & to keep me from telling him how I felt about the religion. She'd tell me at 7 that if I even accepted a Birthday gift or Christmas gift he'd loose his chance for life. I loved my Dad and didn't want him to loose his life so I had to tell him "I don't want it" that was 1st time I saw my father as a broken man & saw his tears well up. It nearly killed me as he was my protector when around-while my mother beat the living crap outta me breaking hairbrushes across my legs daily, using switches off bushes to beat my bare thighs and using a strap to beat me or as a way to force me to eat. Then in Jr High she tried to strangle me before school because she didn't approve of the coat I had on. I broke her grip & ran. I ran away from home 3 times once at 16 making it to Las Vegas. But my Dad never knew what was happening behind the scenes & she had many tactics to insure I never told him the things she did to me.
Bonnie Wilson Oh Bonnie! I am so sad at hearing of that! I hope you know, that not all JWs are that abusive. However, many of them are, as I think they are demonically possessed. The organization is very close-minded, something they hypocritically blame other religions of... therefore, they leave the "sheep" vulnerable to demonic attacks like your mother did, and manifested onto you. I hope you were able to reconcile with your dad and that he is still alive. Pray for your mother's healing... she probably sincerely meant well.
crop triangle I actually took care of my Mom when she became extremely ill with an adult onset cystic fibrosis like disease until I got breast cancer in the spring of '07. She passed away a week after my treatments ended so I wasn't able to see her or be with her in her final hours. I fogave her a long time ago. One day we were sitting in the living room together, my Dad had gone to the beach metal detecting-(a much needed break) when she began to apologize to me. I stopped her & said something I'd heard Mary J Blige tell Oprah that she'd told her own mother when they were going over her horrific childhood. I looked at my mother and said, "I fogive you for everything & blame you for nothing." She began to tear up & said to me, "Bonnie I think thats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me." We cried together and hugged. I truly loved caring for her & though it was hard at times I wouldn;t trade the time we got to spend together for anything except to have her back. I never got to say goodbye to her or to let her know just how much I loved her. Her biggest fear was of being forgotten. I often sit outside my country home on clear nights and have a special star that is my Mom to me-up there twinkling. I tell her how much I miss her and how much I love her & that noone will ever forget her ever. She had a horrible childhood, was locked in the attic with her sister & cousins so her mother & aunt could go out drinking. They'd give the kids paragoric to sedate them. She was molested and her father left her & her mother when she was young. She had very low self esteem and turned to the JW's when they came to the door one day after many other religion tryouts. No one can live up to the standards they put forth for they're followers & she carried a lot of guilt for not living up to those standards and was terrified of loosing her friends in the religion, so she kept everything a secret which I believe is what made her so sick in the end. Secrets & lies are the root of much illness physical and mental. I miss her still & always will. The past is the past & hopefully each generation does a bit better than the previous one and she did do that much. Her own mother would drive her & her sister & two cousins out into the jungle in Florida and make them get out of the car telling them they were bad and the gypsy's were going to take them & then drive away and leave them there in the jungle. My mom would cry and the older kids would try to comfort her & they'd eventually make their way back home hours later. She abused me yes but not the way she was abused. She tried to do better but didn't know what better was to an extent. My Dad is still alive he never became a Jehovah's witness but we were not allowed to tell him anything negative about the religiion or I was told he'd lose his life. At 7 I didn;t want that to happen-he was all I had, so I went along with her wishes. He now has Alzheimers early stage but recently didn't know who my son was when he went to visit him. So it's gotten worse. I try to call him as often as possible & my younger sister who has PTSD as well from the religion stays with him with her daughter who's 20. So he has his girls looking out for him. My brother who was an elder won't speak to us & hasn't spoken to me since 1988 when my fiance commited suicide when he came to the hospital with my Dad & gave me a bible with his phone number in it & told me he could no longer consider me his sister until I came back to the religion. He told me not to call or contact him until I was ready to return. He stands firm to that today, though he has a drinking problem. But many of the witnesses do that I grew up with. Thank you for your kind words!
Such a sad story. It sounds like you pushed fwd with a positive attitude and turned out pretty good by breaking the legacy of foolishness. Hugs Bonnie!
Bonnie Wilson What a crack pot story. It's all over the place. Some people just aren't equipped with proper reasoning skills. You say you forgave your mother yet it seems at every chance you still try and throw her under the bus for all future problems thereafter. While she may not have handled things properly it still seems like she dragged you for a reason. You are bashing a religion on the sole basis of your bad childhood experience. What truth does any of this have toward finding God? You are so caught up in your issues that you have forgotten the real meaning. Your focus is on people instead of what is most important is truth. Have you ever conceived the thought that maybe she went was because she knew she needed a change?
Chris Norred I think anytime we mention the bad things others have done to us - it could be distinguished as bashing. However, if Bonnie is speaking the truth, who is the one guilty... Bonnie the victim, or her mother the initiator of wickedness? Forgiving the evil doer, or not dwelling on their evil deeds doesn't take away the fact that they sinned... and WHY we took a particular course of action. When we go door to door telling strangers that our former religion is evil, is that NOT also bashing our former religion? Moreover, if we are telling strangers that THEIR religion is evil, is that NOT also bashing THEIR RELIGION? THUS is the insensitivity and hypocrisy of JWs.
Gentlemen I am so touched by the point about good people and true personality. I did not get in completely because my personality kept on getting frustrated and restless :" I can not be myself because I will have to be that other person." It actually downs on me that I understand it as being programmed, deprogrammed, like a computer, not a person. I do see synthetized personalities emerge while I talk to another person. They don't think about what you say, they are looking for the programmed answer and start "reading" it to me. sometimes even emotionless...
im 32, was dunked' or baptised at like 13. yes to young. was in it because of my mother. who was DEEP and well respected reg.pioneer for years. my story is long but will just say this.. i got out after my mom passed of cancer. i always say since then, stoped believing when my mom stoped breathing. anyway it lead me on the path of waking up. at first it was like a bad shroom trip lol but after a trip what happens? your refreshed, right? well i was! seriously... point is.. im 32 with a six figure solid corp job that im so thankful for. i have a NEW wonderful open minded wife. and my lifes work that is my daughter who just turned 2. this video was awesome. thank you ''Brothers'' LOL Cheers! and Aloha! Namaste!
What a Great interview!! It's so sad Isaac, they were so harsh with you as a kid, but it turned out for the best later on in life, imagine if you'd gone to Bethel, no skills, your life would have fallen apart when you left!! I didn't know there was litigation over the Stanley Theatre!! I was in Ridgefield NJ at the time,,we Never Heard A Word About That!! My, oh My how the org hides these things! How great to hear you turned your life around!!
I LOVED this interview. Thank you so much for sharing it. I really appreciate the fact that his life is moving on and he is doing so much in the political world! Hurrah what a success story.
Hi there. I love your Struggle videos, keep on! Me myself I left seventh day adventist church nine years ago. I don't even think about that strange, non healthy organisations. Quite recently I ceased to believe in Christianity in total (thank you, professor Bart Ehrman!).
I wasn't allowed to go to college either & was forced to marry at 17 after being told if I didn't get baptized I couldn't get married at the Kingdom Hall so I did it don't remember it but I did it. Then they refused to allow me to get married at the Kingdom Hall-I didn't even sleep w/the man for 2wks after our marriage, I didn't love him.
This was such a great interview, even 9 years later. I've been out for over 20 years but I'm just finding this particular video. I was just telling my husband yesterday how so much info is kept from the congergation, and I talked about the donation issue in particular. I remember when it changed but of course I didnt know why. Now in my life I believed it had something to do with taxes and sure enough, in this video, you confirmed it had to do with taxes. My husband believed this religion JWs are actually worse than the Jim Jones group because they are so manipulative .
I've been Dfed for about 3 years now. Feeling a little sad today. Thanks for reminding me of why I have not returned. It's a hard fight, because my mother is sad, and I have very little friends that are not JW, (and I was a very popular JW, mind you, so I am used to being surrounded by friends all the time) I'll just keep praying for encouragement from my kind, merciful, understanding, non-JW God.
+Delitza Ramirez I'm sorry that you are sad. I will pray to God that He will surround you with loving brothers and sisters in the body of Christ. We just moved to a new city and we're in a new church so I feel a little lonely too. I know our God loves us and will hear our prayers in the name of Jesus. Amen :)
+Delitza Ramirez You're never going to be okay. You walked away from the truth and deep down you it...You can try and deny it, and listen to the other delusional fools who are giving you horrible advice about YOUR LIFE and your chance at everlasting life... Tsk tsk tsk....
nancy O They also celebrated Christmas up until the 1950s too....BIG WOOP...LOL What's your point?? When you learn the truth you're supposed to make adjustments in your teachings... DUHHHHH???? LOLLLL AND QUESTION...Who is Almighty God? What's his name?? I'll Wait....(whistling)
nancy O Once again...Who do you worship as your God? Jesus the Son or Jehovah the Father?? Still Waiting....LOL... Just answer the question, I don't need your extra irrelevant comments... (whistling)
I was disfelowshipped about 8 years ago. I hated the way I was treated. They treater me as insignificant. They never called me, invited me anywhere, or treated me like an equal. I felt like a piece of furniture. To top it all off, I don't smile a whole lot, so one day an elder who was doing a part on the Ministry School called me out without mentioning my name. They were talking about having a smiling, pleasant attitude in field service. This elder said: WE KNOW HOW HARD IT IS FOR SOME OF US T O SMILE. I was like: "kiss my ass mother fucker, you don't know me or my life or what I'm going thru. How dare you humliate me like that". I said to myself. They can all kiss my ass in that congregation.
isaac...i applaud you for being an elder mole and helping expose TTATT. very enlightening and now I finally have opened my eyes as to why I've consistently had bad experiences with so many witnesses. I tried so hard to be a HE but waa never really accepted and felt as though I was being carefully scrutinised in my every move. Jas appear scared they will do something wrong...saddest people I've ever seen. you've truly been a hero to yourself and so many people. thank you.
This is a Hugh story, it's like you're service buddies together with so many years of shared history together. It's speaks so well for your present association and possible future history together for the benefit of all concerned. This really is a Hugh story and speaks so well for the future.
Even though disfellowshiped in '82, When 9-11-01 happened I was terrifyed that this was the end-my little sister who left young even called me hysterically crying asking me if this was it if this was the end, I now know that I had PTSD from a young child due to this afilliation w/JW's.
I was never a JW but I was Married to a JW. I still am in love with her to this day. But the constant stress and strain on our Marriage was due to the JW's. I will admit that we had other problems but the biggest factor in our divorce was the fact that she was a JW. I hate that we are no longer together I miss her and will always love her but I know I am in a lot of ways better off with out her because no longer do I have to deal with the JW's. It is a Cult and has destroyed lots of Marriages. I hope and pray for any and all that are in a Marriage that involves the JW's I pray the couple can stay together and get away from the JW's.
***** did you read my whole comment? If you did, you'd see where I said: "The only hope out of death and the grave is Christ's Blood and Christ's Kingdom."
I enjoyed watching this video. Isaac`s story is pretty similar to my story, I was a Jehovah´s witness for more than 20 years. I was a servant ministerial. my wife left me when I decided to leave them, my mother keeps being there etc. By the way, I´m from Mexico. I left them more than 10 years ago.
The best interview to date,Both Eric and Isaac deserve all the kudos for the candour and and enthusiasm in detailing the "Life-after-the-Cult", as a positive and worth while move as opposed to rather a bleak and depressing scenario that is often portrayed by the WTBTS. Enjoyed every moment of this fascinating expose of the "Powers that be" @ their "Spiritual Best". Kind Regards to both Contributors.Arnold.(UK).
This was great. Issac was fortunate to go to a good school that taught him critical thinking and has obviously inherently got a brain in his head. It's such a shame so many cult members don't aren't equipped in this manner.
I love that idea of running groups to help people coming out. I was thinking something similar, a buddy system type thing peer support, knowing what each other knows and being able to help each other out. I think one of the reasons people don't want to leave heavily indoctrinated cults is because, that's all they know. The people in there are family to each other. But once you leave you are shunned and hurt by members you would call family. And of course, that's a way to try and bring back members who have fell away. So a group helping each other is a brilliant idea. xx
I was raised a J.W my father was out of the picture at 3 yrs old. my mother was so strict she was horribly abusive, to the point that she took me out of school at 13 because Armageddon would be here any minute. I could barely read and had no help in preparing for my future years in my very long life. I was taught NOTHING except for what they taught me in the organization. I had 6 children and did not have the slightest bit of training on how to be a good mother. There was a lot of physical and sexual abuse in my life and all around me. My advise is stay away from that religion ! IT IS A CULT, and yes they do use mind control, and yes you can't think for yourself
I think the only person that wasn't letting you think for yourself is your hag of a mother. Real mothers don't abuse their children. I think you were just raised badly and it seems you didn't really seek any support from the congregation as to how to move from this relationship between you and your mother. You never even explained how they mind controlled. You were just explaining how bad your mother is.
Didn't you seek any help at all from the congregation? Any loving sisters, brothers, elders.. Or even Jehovah? It would be nice to just sit down and pour your heart out to him.
Well said. And if a person takes a short amount of time away from the constant indoctrination then many begin to wake up and see freedom all around them.
@@JWStruggleWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
hey Isaac this is Brian Bond I like your story I'm from Oklahoma and I too was raised a Jehovah's Witness from the age of 5 until I was 27 I was married to a district or no presiding overseers daughter had two children with her both are grown a 24 + 21 I have two granddaughters I know how you feel about things I never was a ministerial servant because I chose not to accept being one. growing up a Jehovah's Witness I saw a lot of things I didn't agree with it but I was young so many friends of mine who were disfellowshipped over nonsense I learn that once you're in a Judicial committee there's only one outcome disfellowshipping I too was disfellowshipped in 1996 because my wife that I was married to presiding overseers daughter was cheating on me so I started drinking actually she divorced me and that's what started the drinking I'm now 47 almost 48 and haven't drank in years my mother who is still going strong as a devout Jehovah's Witness hasn't spoken to me really in 20 years my sisters too and I live 5 miles from them but I was married 15 years ago and have 4 more children with this one that I'm with now and my mother had something to do with him of course he's trying to bring them into this religion or cult I pray for my family everyday that God opens their eyes to the 40-plus years that they've been brainwashed and I'll tell you now I have a better relationship with God than I did as a Jehovah's Witness I'm glad to hear your story and would like to be your friend me and you are about the same age it seems like I know where you was training at in Oklahoma it's in Norman Oklahoma I'm not a postal carrier or anything just an old truck driver slash do-it-yourself kind of person anyways thanks for your story and I'd like to hear back from you thank you
From a former JW, thanks. This video has brought memories and also painful feelings. I was born a JW, a nightmare life since I don't even believe in God. Left the cult a few years ago, best decision ever! I would never go back, even though my family doesn't even talk to me. I am free and can't be more thankful that I have chosen my path!
I feel exactly the same. I was raised in it but always had doubts on all the "new light" .. Noah's ark story and others, a literal 6000 yo earth etc..but I bought into the part about the world having nothing to offer so I stayed till age 42. im totally free now and freedom rocks. the novelty may never wear off. ty for sharing your story.
I really enjoyed this interview. I think one of the most important parts was when Mr. Carmignani made the point that most Witnesses haven't even read the The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures from beginning to end and they are still teaching in the Ministry School.
Very nice interview(s)! This show from the producers of Breaking Amish is really going to happen! That's cool. I once made a prediction that Watchtower would changer their name also, but they are really tied into many business accounts and transactions between Penn and New York..
Nice interview. You both seem like decent dudes. I have uploaded a few vids about my story. My marriage is ending to the same woman for the 2nd time. I left that religion 8 years ago. It resulted in a divorce. I went back into that lunacy 4 years ago and remarried her 1 year later. 1 and 1/2 years later I came out as an atheist. Our 15 year old son sees things my way and is an atheist as well. I am an amateur comic as well. I am a bit more abrasive about the whole affair than Isaac. My sons mother is still a very devote JW and is very depressed about " what I did to our son". I feel that I had a right and duty to share my feelings about JWS and religion in general to him. My kid is now enjoying friendships with all kinds of kids. He is getting formal training in Parkour. He just got on the honor roll. He loves science, especially Astrophysics. He is thinking of college and even military service. He is a much more upstanding kid than he was when he was in that religion. I am happy that I helped pull him away from that shit. Now he is living a normal life. I did not want him growing up in that chaos like I did. Now he can pursue HIS dreams and not the sadistic nightmares of 12 control freaks in N.Y. At some point I will pursue MY dreams as well after he grows up. I always wanted to go to acting school. I don't mind religious people. But, religions like that are dangerous. I even smoke a tobacco pipe. A very enjoyable hobby. Peace!!!
Atheist Clown Great experience so glad you shared it. Once again it highlights the fact that so many of us that escape the WT mindset flourish and grow after we are set free.
Do you know how dangerous tobacco pipe smoking is? It is more dangerous to your health than cigarettes. Google It and see! I am sorry about your marriage. I have Yahuaweh God in my heart and His son Immanuel but I wonder how people can find God and peace in any religious organisation and yet I believe we need his love and guidance. There is so much evil and so many dangers in this world today because the whole world really is in the power of the wicked ones control at present. I know the Firstborn of God written in Hebrews 1:6 called Immanuel meaning when translated 'With Us Is God', Matthew 1:23 did come into this world and was taken up to heaven Revelation 12:4 to be taught by His heavenly Father. He is coming, he must come soon. What I have written about my faith I don't expect you will understand or accept so it is probably madness to write it but as far as smoking pipe tobacco goes if you are unaware of the dangers research and make an informed decision assuming you haven't already considered this. My grandfather died young owing to this habit. YHWH bless you and your son.
June Maunder Hey, if God works for you that's great. Not for me. Pipe tobacco smoking has great psychological properties. It is a hobby. I am alone now and coming home to my pipes and taking care of them as well as having a smoke is awesome. My pipes are like my girl friends and I even have names for them. I am a comedian so you know where I can go with that. I have another channel just to hang with fellow pipers all over the world. . I only smoke about 3 or 4 bowls a day. I also love going through the piper magazines and seeing all the great pipes and blends. All that is involved with the hobby, including watching other dudes and gals puffing away and cordially hanging out with them either in a pipe shop or on You Tube is awesome. I am very sorry about your grand father. However, many pipers live longer than non smokers. Stress can increase physical ailments. Piping calms me down. Peace!!!
Kaleb Brenenstuhl I have broken chains with all religion. I was never permitted to be a full grown JW because of circumstances and rejection by those in the org. My reference is personal and true it is written and was experienced. I understand you needing to be free from religion and regret I have caused any discomfort. However there is a lot of dangers in the world the lies, wars and killings and behaviour of people in government positions should alert you to that if you google Kevin Annett you might have some Idea of what I am referring to. Or google Leonard Ulrich an unbiased Historian. Have you watched Benjamin Freedman video? I understand the JW would put anyone off religion. Most are infiltrated or as with JW Russell funded and begun with Freemason funding and undoubtedly influenced by them to a great degree.
June....You're a sad case of how JWs ruin any grain of faith that once resided in them. You simply had misplaced faith for h/ever long, and prayerfully you'll come to the truth...the truth that is found only in Jesus Christ.
Thank you it is an interesting, intelligent and kind interview that shows truth and sincerity with analysis and knowledge. I do feel that there is a lot of pressure, pushing and even "godly" competition that ends up squeezing life...when the schedule is just so full and the person doesn't get to be himself/ herself (no harm or wrong intended).
I take it that I went to school with Isaac, as I am a Brooklyn Tech Class of 1984 Electrical Engineering major also. I never was a JW, but in the 1990's I had a LTR with a JW. That in itself is a long story, but in short we "sold" our secret marriage story to the elders and she got a silent reproof but was left ultimately back in good standing. I've been to Circuit, District, and Special Assemblies at Nassau Coliseum, at the Stanley, and at Albermarle; I've been to Walkill Farms also. You know how critical a thinker you become at Tech, and not ever having become a baptized brother you know I grilled elders and overseers on doctrine, criticizing them on their strange interpretation of the Bible but also on CT Russell, on wavering and contradictory doctrine changes I studied from previous Watchtowers and Watchtower publications throughout the years and a great deal of information I gleaned from Raymond Franz. I hope we can get in contact and talk sometimes.
Adeeb Shabazz Thanks for sharing that Adeeb- It's great to hear viewpoints from folks that never were Witnesses but were around it. Can you email me at jwstruggle@gmail.com? I'd like to chat with you more about some of your stories!
This was one of the best interviews you've done-thank you so much for sharing this, and to Isaac for sharing his story! After leaving the witnesses, I converted to (modern) Orthodox Judaism. What actually drew me to the XJW community was actually organizations for ex-ultra-Orthodox Jews like Footsteps and the It Gets Besser video project. When I saw how similar some ultra-orthodox communities are with how I was brought up as a Witness I was stunned. While I am still (semi) active in the modern orthodox community (which does not have nearly as many of the problems as the ultra-orthodox/Haredi/Hasidic community) I have a number of friends who are active in the ex-"frum" community. I think it's wonderful how Isaac saw the similarities too, and is working to help all cult survivors.
Great Interview. A MUST see for anyone who is thinking about leaving that Organization in a NON-confrontational way ! As well planned out as Mr.Carmignani's escape was from the JW WTBTS, they still stung him anyway.. The retaliatory abilities of the JW (WTBTS) is much greater than a "normal" Company, because they have direct access to your FAMILY. A person of "considerable rank" in that organization must carefully examine Mr.Carmignani's experiences here in order to limit any retaliatory measures taken by the JW of WTBTS...
David Thompson In many ways that's true David. That was one of the things that helped me out. It showed me that I was not alone in my experiences. I wasn't crazy!
I really appreciated this video as a born into the congregation (their truth) woman. I've never been baptized because of what I have identified as bias in many forms since the age of 10 or 11(I'm turning 40 this year). I married a man that is a baptized JW. We have 2 kids and I have started having many concerns in regards to their mental and emotional well-being in this organization. You can't be honest about what you feel on issues with people who say they are your friends,otherwise they run to elders behind your back. Never-mind, the fact I'm an honest person and have already boldly told them how I feel to their face (this doesn't detour others from back-biting). I've been tied to Satan for standing up for Yahweh's character as being impartial and saying that he is and in-turn I should be impartial as well. I've started meetings with elders upon my notice of such back-biting instead of waiting on them to never reach out (hired men that they are). Now my husband, who has been to jail and I worked on recovering our marriage for many years and still talked to him when he was DF'd, threatens to divorce me if I don't stop talking to him about my concerns of the WTS. What stood out in the video was how Brother (sorry but I feel everyone is my brother,male and female) Carmingnani said he appreciates how his new wife has a true sense of self. Wow, just wow. The love you have for her when you say that! How I wish my husband could only understand how much I love him and our children when using my own free will, sense of self,intelligence, and loyalty to them when trying to protect them from what I'm seeing as a threat to their well-being. Much love to all who see without eye's and listen to an open heart. Thank you.
An inspiring story. What an example you set for others in this position - and there are many. I am saddened by some of the negative comments I have read and respond thus: Please don't judge or make assumptions. No one can truly understand the depths of damage done by anyone, be it an individual or a cult, who uses 'Stockholm syndrome' tactics to trap, ensnare and enslave. It can take a lifetime in recovery. I was born and raised in England during the 60's, with very similar experiences. The influence of this religion is far and wide, and it is solidarity amongst the 'Ex Ex's' that will speed up freedom and justice for the victims. I believe that if we criticise loudly and aggressively, most will dig their heels in, close their ears, eyes and hearts, and wait patiently for Armageddon, thinking it to be imminent because of our 'persecution'. If we respond with dignity, love and reasonable questioning, some will hear. I know we have a right to our anger and pain, but, it as a marathon not a sprint. I salute you Isaac for standing up for Truth (the real truth) in what must have been extremely difficult circumstances and wish you and your family all the very best for the future - you now have one! Once again, thank you JWStruggle, as I read and learn more, you are fast becoming one of my heros, for bringing light into the world of darkness within which we are thrust by WT.
(continued 2) The statement, “in 539 B.C.E.-just as Judah’s 70-year exile was about to end- the seemingly invincible city of Babylon was overthrown” is so phrased to deceptively give the impression that the punishment of Babylon and their supposed end date for the exile are closely linked and both are the fulfillment of the 70 year prophecy, when in fact only the former is. If we were to accept their proposed year of return from exile in 537 BCE there would still be a 2 year gap with 539 BCE. This would invalidate the 537 BCE date when you realize from the context that the prophecy is uniquely pointing to 539 BCE only as the year of fulfillment. Saying, “just as Judah’s 70-year exile was about to end” is a complete distortion of what is said in the context of Jeremiah 25:11 since verse 12 clearly states that the 70 years were completed when the Babylonians were called to account. Anyone who has the honesty to read on in verse 12 can verify this: New International Version "But when the seventy years are FULFILLED, I will punish the king of Babylon andhis nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the LORD, "and will make it desolate forever. New Living Translation "Then, after the seventy years of captivity are OVER, I will punish the king of Babylon and his people for their sins," says the LORD. "I will make the country of the Babylonians a wasteland forever. English Standard Version Then after seventy years are COMPLETED, I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity, declares the LORD, making the land an everlasting waste. New American Standard Bible 'Then it will be when seventy years are COMPLETED I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation,' declares the LORD, 'for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it an everlasting desolation. King James Bible And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations. Holman Christian Standard Bible When the 70 years are COMPLETED, I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation--this is the LORD's declaration-- 'the land of the Chaldeans, for their guilt, and I will make it a ruin forever. International Standard Version Then when the seventy years have PASSED, I'll judge the king of Babylon and that nation, declares the LORD, I'll judge the land of the Chaldeans for their iniquity and I'll make it a desolation forever. NET Bible "'But when the seventy years are OVER, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation for their sins. I will make the land of Babylon an everlasting ruin. I, the LORD, affirm it! New Heart English Bible It shall happen, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, says the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate forever. GOD'S WORD® Translation "When the 70 years are OVER, I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation for their crimes, declares the LORD. I will turn Babylon into a permanent wasteland. JPS Tanakh 1917 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it perpetual desolations. New American Standard 1977 ‘Then it will be when seventy years are COMPLETED I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation,’ declares the LORD, ‘for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it an everlasting desolation. Jubilee Bible 2000 And it shall come to pass when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will visit upon the king of Babylon and upon that people their own evil, said the LORD and upon the land of the Chaldeans and will make it perpetual desolations. King James 2000 Bible And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, says the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations. American King James Version And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, said the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations. American Standard Version And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith Jehovah, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate for ever. Douay-Rheims Bible And when the seventy years shall be EXPIRED, I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the Lord, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans: and I will make it perpetual desolations. Darby Bible Translation And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, [that] I will visit on the king of Babylon and on that nation, saith Jehovah, their iniquity, and on the land of the Chaldeans, and I will make it perpetual desolations. English Revised Version And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate for ever. Webster's Bible Translation And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations. World English Bible It shall happen, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, says Yahweh, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate forever. Young's Literal Translation 'And it hath come to pass, at the FULNESS of seventy years, I charge against the king of Babylon, and against that nation -- an affirmation of Jehovah -- their iniquity, and against the land of the Chaldeans, and have appointed it for desolations age-during. -->
Well I baptized almost 2 years ago now and growing up in there was always sketchy to me... Since 7..but like the teaching goes...never question the slave and discrete and never even have thoughts of doubting Jehovah's organization.all my teen years I was like a robot and follow what they told me to do. I stopped studying but went back when I was 18 just because I was scared and traumatized with the whole "Armageddon is almost here" (talking about 4 years ago) so I retook my study, felt I was doing good..my teacher sensed I had gay tendencies so I told her but she never let me explain in depth how I felt.she just heard from the surface me being gay. She wanted me to baptize before she went back to her main hometown we discussed a topic that got me doubting since.even if it was a peak of it ,it was enough to set a spark of doubts. I remember her saying how the watchtower can't really tell it's integrants from the congregation about a mentally ill person. She didn't explained why so since then it was sketchy. I'm not sure if there's anyone who knows about this But to me...with my common sense, people have to be aware of other persons mental illness no matter where u are. You can possibly save their or your own life. .what if you're left alone for a couple minutes with that person and they are schizophrenic. And they didn't took their meds. And because of someone failing to warn u, they have a scene?.. And because of that you die ..can your family even sew the WT for that?anyway,.. so I felt pressured into taking this step. So summer of 2013 came and I baptized. Til this day I regret not being able to think on my own...I wasn't feeling so good. I still felt pressure from inside the congregation even after my teacher left. They still are.saying why don't I make some more steps...if r been wanting to say "why you guys want me to sacrifice all of my youth and energies when even the bible says God doesn't want sacrifices?" but I don't. And tbh,when I cut my hair short this summer,.. believe me....I haven't gotten a part lol. Its supposed to be every 3 months. also I got in trouble.for drawing a mustache on my face and the elders asked for my sexual orientation. Ok..??so I can't even play around when I'm bored? So.. Yeah,,,I'm.really thinking of leaving but just don't know how to break it down to them. Watching these vids actually helps a little. I don't think this makes me a bad person, just someone who wants to have more backup evidence of what's going on.I have begun thinking that people who . with enough time in their hands...can actually sit down and think of ways to really interpret a book and try to defend a teaching by viewing every angle possible so it's not easily pointed out and have whatever they are.saying being backed up with bible verses...I am just not really feeling them same. Although I'll lose friends...it's not the end. And I'm learning to not let words and guilt trip comments bring me down or make me feel worthless when my time comes...
Mitch Pol One thing you should know that is not often revealed by the JWs... You don't have to be baptized in order to be saved in the end times! Baptism is a PERSONAL validation of devotion to Jehovah (YHWH)... and the ORGANIZATION [according to their 2 questions prior to baptism]. Unfortunately for you, now that you did, THEY will hold you responsible for it... there is no way to de-baptize yourself. However, your relationship with God is between you and God ALONE. Milton Henschel, former WBTS president personally confirmed this with me. The "society" has many times stated that there may be some who have not heard the good news nor had time to dedicate themselves, yet will likely be saved by God if their hearts are right and WORK [in body, mind, spirit] toward him. Don't let fear be the reason for your ambitions... let it be from your earnest desire to live according to God's requirements because you see God's way as the HEALTHIEST way to live. Realize that our experiences, though painful as well as wholesome, are often what leads us down the paths we CHOOSE. Realize WHO it was that led you down your path, and that not all who look like them, ACT like them. If you study in earnest, you will find that God's name is YHWH [Yahweh]. Pray in the name of Almighty's Savior, or YHWHShua [Yahwehshua]. For many years I prayed to Jehovah through Jesus name, but always received more trouble instead. Not until I prayed as I recommend, did all of the answers I needed [and wished for] become manifest! There are good reasons why "Jehovah" may not be the right name to call God, so do your research! I pray for you my sister!
Thank you and yes i have been going throigh some stuff. Its not easy but i try to just live my life. Even if i have certain things, i chose to be free. Im going through some decicions.getting shunned and also trying to write my assassination. Letter. I hope i can make it strong. I didnt attached much to everyone since ive always had my doubts.lol. thank u itll help me a lot.
I found your story fascinating,I was raised in it,but was between two worlds,meaning my parents were divorced over the whole issue.i have become a mainstream Christian,and it pains me to think that people are being denied the real Jesus because of the lies of there organization.they changed the Bible to suit there doctrine.i hope you guys haven't given up on god,but still seek out spirituality,that is on Christ.christ has made himself real to me,when I left I wanted nothing to do with religion.but later on in life I got saved,go to church and found loving caring people who actually love me.i just hope you guys are still seeking!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏I will remember to pray for you!!
I didn't think I would be able to sit still during this interview. I am good for maybe 30 minutes or so, but often loose interest in some of these videos. I like it when there is more fact presented rather than an emotional point of view. This interview was very informative. I learned a great deal about what goes on in a place such as Bethel. At one time my husband was an elder years ago, and I remember the elders talking about the congregation in a way that was not very constructive. I never said a thing to any other person until today about this. I guess in a very small way I could identify with Isaac. People should know that this organization has a hierarchy among the so called brothers. These congregations are told that this hierarchy does not exist. I faded years ago and never looked back. No one ever approached me about it, except to say they missed me at the meetings. They would ask if I missed the brothers in the same breath. I would say no, and thank you for asking. Maybe they don't know I am out. I didn't have to leave my house and my husband still attends the meetings even though he is no longer an Elder. I just don't go to meetings and they don't bother me about it. While I never had issues with getting out and away from this organization, I am glad that you and your interviews can be of great assistance and comfort to those that need it. I honestly never knew the impact of leaving this organization had on people.
First of all, it was your parents who stop you from watching TV and watching Star Track. I am a JW and I watch TV and if I wanted to I could watch Star Track. I never like the show or movie. It was not for me. The Organization does not stop you from watching TV. I have three TV in my house. Back in the 70 most only had one TV. Like anything if you don't have the Love for what you believe in than you are just wasting your time. Jehovah know your heart and the reason why you are doing what you are doing. As for me I never wanted to go to Bethel. I never wanted to be a Elder or MS. I do it because I believe in Jehovah and what will happen in the future. No one know when it will happen but the sign are here. I never wanted to look cool in School. I just wanted to be me. I had friend in School and not to many friends at the Kingdom Hall. As far as going to college there is nothing wrong in it. Yes the Elder will encourage you not too, but this is my life and not there. I have my own brain and I don't share their brain. I went to the Philippines and married he love of my life. She is 23 years younger than I am. I lived in the Philippines for 5 years. Yes, I had problems with Elders there but I do things Jehovah way not there way. In the end they lost what they tried to do to us. I never talk to Elders unless I have a Camera so they can't say something that is not true. Elders can do wrong thing to Publisher but that is the reason why you fight to make sure they do things right. If they feel you are scared than they will do wrong things to you. Jehovah will work things out and soon he will clean out the organization in his time like he said he will do first. Yes, you do have a idea what will happen to you if you have a camera in the room. If they know they will say it is not allowed, but that is when you don't tell them till after the meeting is done. They will get upset but who care. As long as you do what is right in Jehovah eyes that is all that matters.
Weird, I just had visitors asking me to A WORLD GOVERNMENT convention in Tucson. Upon opening the door there were at least 12 folks on the sidewalk along with the 4 on my porch. Nobody but nobody wears anything but shorts and t-shirts or golf shirts in Arizona during the summer. It will be 114 today. The girl who spoke quickly handed me the invitation and they left, no chance to invite them in for a bottle of cold water and a discussion.
I was brought up as a JW but never believed a word of it. However, my parents never push to get me baptised or even do a bible reading. And that was the same with a lot of friends in the congregation. I was allowed to go to rock concerts, AC/DC, Black Sabbath etc. No one ever said anything. I went onto higher education, missing most midweek meetings, again nothing said. I left the organisation some 20 years ago as I was totally board with it all. And only now that I realise how totalitarian the organisation is. Or has it only recent that the organisation has taken a ultra conservative line?
I had bible studies when I was growing up,,I never wanted to commit to be a full time JW nor be baptized,,not until this day I want to be part of them,I did notice,my close did start to treat me way differently,If I were to visit them,I had to make an appointment,,,Never to bring any criticism of their practices,and so,,,So I have kept my distance,,until they found me in Facebook,and start critizing my lifestyle,I wasn't responding to them,and unfriended all of them,,,You can't say anything about them,but they can with you,,I did one thing,for all to read,When you leave THE CULT then we can be family again
Hey Erick, I have a story that might interest you and your viewers. I left you a message on your channel page. I hope to hear back from you. Great interview as always. TC
So glad you're free I'm not a JW nor ever was but U find these videos a blessing and a learning venue. You cannot argue or disprove anyone s experience since their single experience proves that such actions happened I would caution anyone to be baptized before the age of 18. Make a commitment to God and Him alone and dont be so quick to become involved or a member of an organization or denomination Gods work involves helping people ie feeding the hungry, orphans, widows and preaching the good news of salvation THROUGH CHRIST If you want to know God you pray to Him directly and you read His Word Alone. Gaining knowledge is power.. Read a variety of subjects NEVER let anyone control or manipulate you . Your creator gave you free will. Always keep a copy and recording of any letter you write and record all meetings bringing with you an impartial witness. If they dont allow your witness dont attend their meengs.. if you must,,, RECORD IT I love you you all IN CHRIST :YOU SHALL KOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE"
I tell the same exact thing to people who have left. At 28 I decided to go to college and make new friends. My first couple years of being out I just kind of kept to myself and threw myself into work. People at work encouraged me to go to college and ended up packing my bags and I never turned back. I am also glad you mentioned being a EX-EX-JW lol...I think my first 4 years I had nothing to do with anything EX-JW or JW..I guess I wanted to purge myself of anything to do with it. Great interview.
One of the by products of such devout service and study as a JW is many young people (especially those raised as jw), are quite intelligent. The crazy thing is that they are often stifled, if not totally prevented from reaching their fullest potential. The result is many adult JWs with no marketable mid to high level paying skills. I have, however, met many ex JWs that broke the spell and are returning to school well Into their adult yrs. That is encouraging.
I was a jw for 25 yrs I was a pioneer I was a ministerial servant I was unjustifiably disfellowshiped but in reality I'm so glad they did, because I am no longer a wt slave I've been out for 15 years great interview
Never think anyone is too old to leave watchtower and start a new life. I left a year ago at the age of 61. Now I am a University student studying history and ancient religions and I'm aiming to get a degree. I've met some great, interesting, and lovely people. I've been taught by world renowned academics and I have a new life and have never been happier.
Congratulations Tina. I also went to university as a mature student. The intellectual stultification whilst in the organisation was crippling me and was made worse by the misogynism. I have a career now and a fulfilling life. My children are being supported to achieve their potential at university. May you continue to grow and learn as there is so much to explore.
I’m 57. Faded last year. I’m encouraged by your example. We have to press on.
This was helpful. No bitterness or anger just honest communication. Thanks!
I was also raised as a JW since 1958. Became a MS, father is still an elder. My son is an elder and gives talks in big assembly. I had left over 30 years ago and never looked back. I could relate to everything this video says.
Why can’t you look back
Please give an update is there going to be a series like Breaking Amish!? That would be absolutely fabulous 💙💜❤️ great interview one of the best I’ve listened to. Recently woke up 30+ years in…..
I like people like Isaac because they are very therapeutic due their intelligence and integrity and well thought out manner. Would love to meet and befriend Isaac and others like him in person someday.
I'm happy you got out, Isaac! Thanks for sharing your story. And thanks JWS!
You're quite welcome Christian it was a pleasure.
So cool hearing about the Brooklyn Assembly Hall. For a while when I lived in NYC, my Kingdom Hall was downstairs on Albemarle Ave.
Thank you Isaac for your service while you were PIMO. I appreciate all those currently leaking letters. Thank you for doing your part.
This was a very good interview. I almost passed it by because I have a hard time sitting through anything lengthy including movies. This was worth the time to listen. I have been out for over a decade and am somewhat active on JWR. I enjoy hearing others' stories. I faded and nobody cared to come find me and it was just as well.
Bubba Gump Thanks Bubba!
Isaac Carmignani I was wondering what it was that you saw on the desk at bethel... did it have anything to do with your awakening?
Hi Isaac
I asked you a question about 1 year ago but hadn't received an answer yet, as I'm sure you're pretty busy.
You said something in your interview that grabbed my curiosity that seems like you wanted to say but got lost in the conversation.
I was wondering what it was that you saw on the desk at bethel... did it have anything to do with your "awakening"?
If it's not too much trouble or a security risk of some kind, it sounds like it would be enlightening to hear about.
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OMG! I'm so sorry. I'm still learning how to keep track of my correspondence. What I saw was the agenda for the WT board meeting.
This interview is powerful and is my favorite. I've listened/watched it more than once. I've been awakened to TTATT for a couple months and am in the process of planning my exit strategy...hope to be out of the organization by the end of the year. When the weight of my decision to leave the organization overwhelms me, I watch/listen to this interview and feel strengthened. Thank you for this great interview.
God bless this man! More power to anyone who is exposing these groups, who pray on victims of spiritual, sexual, and religious abuse. +JWstruggle thank you for this interview.
You both did a good job. This was an excellent uplifting and fascinating video. Incredible to hear some of those inside stories. And what a lovely intelligent man Isaac is. Thank you for another great vid Eric. X
Absolutely Excellent video👏 love you're story. I was in for over 40 plus years...I can truly appreciate you're experiences. I definitely thank both of you for the video.
I was just absolutely blown away by this interview! Just AMAZING! Thank you both so very much for doing this!!
Isaac I've never seen this before. I'm enjoying it for the first time tonight. Very cool of you to do. I was interviewed by Ruben years ago on camera. Good job kiddo.
One of your best interviews! I think it is great that Isaac has managed to stay so positive after leaving Watchtower. He definitely has a strong mind to be able to transfer the skills used while being a Jehovah’s Witness to the real world.
We are a good family, now every one of us is out!
yaaaaaayyyyyyy!!!! so happy to hear that! !!
I'm a teacher. I left at age 32, took a couple of years to rebuild my psyche, but after that I went back to school. Now, I'm able to explain JW thinking to my colleagues, and they in turn can better understand the JW children and why they behave the way they do.
I love that Mr. Carmignani looks like the 'classic' elder! Mustache and all! There is one that looks like that in every congregation lol! Great video though!
What a wonderful success story! Thanks for sharing it.
My Dad didn't know my Mom was making us go to meetings until one of his construction friends saw us door knocking & asked him if his wife was a street walker. He was so angry. But she used or held his life over my head to keep me quiet & to keep me from telling him how I felt about the religion. She'd tell me at 7 that if I even accepted a Birthday gift or Christmas gift he'd loose his chance for life. I loved my Dad and didn't want him to loose his life so I had to tell him "I don't want it" that was 1st time I saw my father as a broken man & saw his tears well up. It nearly killed me as he was my protector when around-while my mother beat the living crap outta me breaking hairbrushes across my legs daily, using switches off bushes to beat my bare thighs and using a strap to beat me or as a way to force me to eat. Then in Jr High she tried to strangle me before school because she didn't approve of the coat I had on. I broke her grip & ran. I ran away from home 3 times once at 16 making it to Las Vegas. But my Dad never knew what was happening behind the scenes & she had many tactics to insure I never told him the things she did to me.
Bonnie Wilson Oh Bonnie! I am so sad at hearing of that!
I hope you know, that not all JWs are that abusive.
However, many of them are, as I think they are demonically possessed.
The organization is very close-minded, something they hypocritically blame other religions of... therefore, they leave the "sheep" vulnerable to demonic attacks like your mother did, and manifested onto you.
I hope you were able to reconcile with your dad and that he is still alive.
Pray for your mother's healing... she probably sincerely meant well.
crop triangle I actually took care of my Mom when she became extremely ill with an adult onset cystic fibrosis like disease until I got breast cancer in the spring of '07. She passed away a week after my treatments ended so I wasn't able to see her or be with her in her final hours. I fogave her a long time ago. One day we were sitting in the living room together, my Dad had gone to the beach metal detecting-(a much needed break) when she began to apologize to me. I stopped her & said something I'd heard Mary J Blige tell Oprah that she'd told her own mother when they were going over her horrific childhood. I looked at my mother and said, "I fogive you for everything & blame you for nothing." She began to tear up & said to me, "Bonnie I think thats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me." We cried together and hugged. I truly loved caring for her & though it was hard at times I wouldn;t trade the time we got to spend together for anything except to have her back. I never got to say goodbye to her or to let her know just how much I loved her. Her biggest fear was of being forgotten. I often sit outside my country home on clear nights and have a special star that is my Mom to me-up there twinkling. I tell her how much I miss her and how much I love her & that noone will ever forget her ever. She had a horrible childhood, was locked in the attic with her sister & cousins so her mother & aunt could go out drinking. They'd give the kids paragoric to sedate them. She was molested and her father left her & her mother when she was young. She had very low self esteem and turned to the JW's when they came to the door one day after many other religion tryouts. No one can live up to the standards they put forth for they're followers & she carried a lot of guilt for not living up to those standards and was terrified of loosing her friends in the religion, so she kept everything a secret which I believe is what made her so sick in the end. Secrets & lies are the root of much illness physical and mental. I miss her still & always will. The past is the past & hopefully each generation does a bit better than the previous one and she did do that much. Her own mother would drive her & her sister & two cousins out into the jungle in Florida and make them get out of the car telling them they were bad and the gypsy's were going to take them & then drive away and leave them there in the jungle. My mom would cry and the older kids would try to comfort her & they'd eventually make their way back home hours later. She abused me yes but not the way she was abused. She tried to do better but didn't know what better was to an extent. My Dad is still alive he never became a Jehovah's witness but we were not allowed to tell him anything negative about the religiion or I was told he'd lose his life. At 7 I didn;t want that to happen-he was all I had, so I went along with her wishes. He now has Alzheimers early stage but recently didn't know who my son was when he went to visit him. So it's gotten worse. I try to call him as often as possible & my younger sister who has PTSD as well from the religion stays with him with her daughter who's 20. So he has his girls looking out for him. My brother who was an elder won't speak to us & hasn't spoken to me since 1988 when my fiance commited suicide when he came to the hospital with my Dad & gave me a bible with his phone number in it & told me he could no longer consider me his sister until I came back to the religion. He told me not to call or contact him until I was ready to return. He stands firm to that today, though he has a drinking problem. But many of the witnesses do that I grew up with. Thank you for your kind words!
Such a sad story.
It sounds like you pushed fwd with a positive attitude and turned out pretty good by breaking the legacy of foolishness.
Hugs Bonnie!
Bonnie Wilson What a crack pot story. It's all over the place. Some people just aren't equipped with proper reasoning skills. You say you forgave your mother yet it seems at every chance you still try and throw her under the bus for all future problems thereafter. While she may not have handled things properly it still seems like she dragged you for a reason. You are bashing a religion on the sole basis of your bad childhood experience. What truth does any of this have toward finding God? You are so caught up in your issues that you have forgotten the real meaning. Your focus is on people instead of what is most important is truth. Have you ever conceived the thought that maybe she went was because she knew she needed a change?
Chris Norred
I think anytime we mention the bad things others have done to us - it could be distinguished as bashing.
However, if Bonnie is speaking the truth, who is the one guilty... Bonnie the victim, or her mother the initiator of wickedness?
Forgiving the evil doer, or not dwelling on their evil deeds doesn't take away the fact that they sinned... and WHY we took a particular course of action.
When we go door to door telling strangers that our former religion is evil, is that NOT also bashing our former religion?
Moreover, if we are telling strangers that THEIR religion is evil, is that NOT also bashing THEIR RELIGION?
THUS is the insensitivity and hypocrisy of JWs.
thank you thank you thank you. i have never heard such a positive message from an ex JW.
Thanks for sharing your story.
Gentlemen I am so touched by the point about good people and true personality. I did not get in completely because my personality kept on getting frustrated and restless :" I can not be myself because I will have to be that other person." It actually downs on me that I understand it as being programmed, deprogrammed, like a computer, not a person. I do see synthetized personalities emerge while I talk to another person. They don't think about what you say, they are looking for the programmed answer and start "reading" it to me. sometimes even emotionless...
The transparency of all these things is truly lifting the veil. Thank you.
im 32, was dunked' or baptised at like 13. yes to young. was in it because of my mother. who was DEEP and well respected reg.pioneer for years. my story is long but will just say this.. i got out after my mom passed of cancer. i always say since then, stoped believing when my mom stoped breathing. anyway it lead me on the path of waking up. at first it was like a bad shroom trip lol but after a trip what happens? your refreshed, right? well i was! seriously... point is.. im 32 with a six figure solid corp job that im so thankful for. i have a NEW wonderful open minded wife. and my lifes work that is my daughter who just turned 2. this video was awesome. thank you ''Brothers'' LOL Cheers! and Aloha! Namaste!
What a Great interview!! It's so sad Isaac, they were so harsh with you as a kid, but it turned out for the best later on in life, imagine if you'd gone to Bethel, no skills, your life would have fallen apart when you left!! I didn't know there was litigation over the Stanley Theatre!! I was in Ridgefield NJ at the time,,we Never Heard A Word About That!! My, oh My how the org hides these things! How great to hear you turned your life around!!
I LOVED this interview. Thank you so much for sharing it. I really appreciate the fact that his life is moving on and he is doing so much in the political world! Hurrah what a success story.
Hi there. I love your Struggle videos, keep on! Me myself I left seventh day adventist church nine years ago. I don't even think about that strange, non healthy organisations. Quite recently I ceased to believe in Christianity in total (thank you, professor Bart Ehrman!).
I wasn't allowed to go to college either & was forced to marry at 17 after being told if I didn't get baptized I couldn't get married at the Kingdom Hall so I did it don't remember it but I did it. Then they refused to allow me to get married at the Kingdom Hall-I didn't even sleep w/the man for 2wks after our marriage, I didn't love him.
This was such a great interview, even 9 years later. I've been out for over 20 years but I'm just finding this particular video. I was just telling my husband yesterday how so much info is kept from the congergation, and I talked about the donation issue in particular. I remember when it changed but of course I didnt know why. Now in my life I believed it had something to do with taxes and sure enough, in this video, you confirmed it had to do with taxes. My husband believed this religion JWs are actually worse than the Jim Jones group because they are so manipulative .
I've been Dfed for about 3 years now. Feeling a little sad today. Thanks for reminding me of why I have not returned. It's a hard fight, because my mother is sad, and I have very little friends that are not JW, (and I was a very popular JW, mind you, so I am used to being surrounded by friends all the time) I'll just keep praying for encouragement from my kind, merciful, understanding, non-JW God.
+Delitza Ramirez I'm sorry that you are sad. I will pray to God that He will surround you with loving brothers and sisters in the body of Christ. We just moved to a new city and we're in a new church so I feel a little lonely too. I know our God loves us and will hear our prayers in the name of Jesus. Amen :)
+Delitza Ramirez You're never going to be okay. You walked away from the truth and deep down you it...You can try and deny it, and listen to the other delusional fools who are giving you horrible advice about YOUR LIFE and your chance at everlasting life...
Tsk tsk tsk....
nancy O They also celebrated Christmas up until the 1950s too....BIG WOOP...LOL
What's your point?? When you learn the truth you're supposed to make adjustments in your teachings...
DUHHHHH???? LOLLLL
AND QUESTION...Who is Almighty God?
What's his name??
I'll Wait....(whistling)
nancy O Which one do you worship as your God..
Jesus the son or Jehovah the Father??
I'll Wait...(whistling) LOL
nancy O Once again...Who do you worship as your God?
Jesus the Son or Jehovah the Father??
Still Waiting....LOL...
Just answer the question, I don't need your extra irrelevant comments...
(whistling)
I was disfelowshipped about 8 years ago. I hated the way I was treated. They treater me as insignificant. They never called me, invited me anywhere, or treated me like an equal. I felt like a piece of furniture. To top it all off, I don't smile a whole lot, so one day an elder who was doing a part on the Ministry School called me out without mentioning my name. They were talking about having a smiling, pleasant attitude in field service. This elder said: WE KNOW HOW HARD IT IS FOR SOME OF US T O SMILE. I was like: "kiss my ass mother fucker, you don't know me or my life or what I'm going thru. How dare you humliate me like that". I said to myself. They can all kiss my ass in that congregation.
isaac...i applaud you for being an elder mole and helping expose TTATT. very enlightening and now I finally have opened my eyes as to why I've consistently had bad experiences with so many witnesses. I tried so hard to be a HE but waa never really accepted and felt as though I was being carefully scrutinised in my every move. Jas appear scared they will do something wrong...saddest people I've ever seen.
you've truly been a hero to yourself and so many people. thank you.
This is a Hugh story, it's like you're service buddies together with so many years of shared history together. It's speaks so well for your present association and possible future history together for the benefit of all concerned. This really is a Hugh story and speaks so well for the future.
Wow this guy’s experience is so important to the collective consciousness
Even though disfellowshiped in '82, When 9-11-01 happened I was terrifyed that this was the end-my little sister who left young even called me hysterically crying asking me if this was it if this was the end, I now know that I had PTSD from a young child due to this afilliation w/JW's.
I was never a JW but I was Married to a JW. I still am in love with her to this day. But the constant stress and strain on our Marriage was due to the JW's. I will admit that we had other problems but the biggest factor in our divorce was the fact that she was a JW. I hate that we are no longer together I miss her and will always love her but I know I am in a lot of ways better off with out her because no longer do I have to deal with the JW's. It is a Cult and has destroyed lots of Marriages. I hope and pray for any and all that are in a Marriage that involves the JW's I pray the couple can stay together and get away from the JW's.
You sound like a good guy...and distinctly unlike the JWs. I hope you haven't been deprived of acceptance by Jesus/God.
I ended my friendship with a woman in this crazy religion... it hurt me to see her depressing life due to her bizarre religion
Ion
sweetmikser I agree with you..
sweetmikser .. Salvation is through Jesus Christ, not through the "JW" organization!
*****
did you read my whole comment? If you did, you'd see where I said: "The only hope out of death and the grave is Christ's Blood and Christ's Kingdom."
I am a former JW who also graduated from Brooklyn Tech and could relate to everything related here.
I enjoyed watching this video. Isaac`s story is pretty similar to my story, I was a Jehovah´s witness for more than 20 years. I was a servant ministerial. my wife left me when I decided to leave them, my mother keeps being there etc. By the way, I´m from Mexico. I left them more than 10 years ago.
The best interview to date,Both Eric and Isaac deserve all the kudos for the candour and and enthusiasm in detailing the "Life-after-the-Cult", as a positive and worth while move as opposed to rather a bleak and depressing scenario that is often portrayed by the WTBTS. Enjoyed every moment of this fascinating expose of the "Powers that be" @ their "Spiritual Best". Kind Regards to both Contributors.Arnold.(UK).
This was great. Issac was fortunate to go to a good school that taught him critical thinking and has obviously inherently got a brain in his head. It's such a shame so many cult members don't aren't equipped in this manner.
Please tell me how I can change my signature...
I love that idea of running groups to help people coming out. I was thinking something similar, a buddy system type thing peer support, knowing what each other knows and being able to help each other out. I think one of the reasons people don't want to leave heavily indoctrinated cults is because, that's all they know. The people in there are family to each other. But once you leave you are shunned and hurt by members you would call family. And of course, that's a way to try and bring back members who have fell away. So a group helping each other is a brilliant idea. xx
I was raised a J.W my father was out of the picture at 3 yrs old. my mother was so strict she was horribly abusive, to the point that she took me out of school at 13 because Armageddon would be here any minute. I could barely read and had no help in preparing for my future years in my very long life. I was taught NOTHING except for what they taught me in the organization. I had 6 children and did not have the slightest bit of training on how to be a good mother. There was a lot of physical and sexual abuse in my life and all around me. My advise is stay away from that religion ! IT IS A CULT, and yes they do use mind control, and yes you can't think for yourself
I think the only person that wasn't letting you think for yourself is your hag of a mother. Real mothers don't abuse their children. I think you were just raised badly and it seems you didn't really seek any support from the congregation as to how to move from this relationship between you and your mother. You never even explained how they mind controlled. You were just explaining how bad your mother is.
Didn't you seek any help at all from the congregation? Any loving sisters, brothers, elders.. Or even Jehovah? It would be nice to just sit down and pour your heart out to him.
I like your story and advice to people wanting to leave. If they build a life outside of the witnesses they will not be so vulnerable
What an awesome interview!!! I think a movie or TV show should be done about our lives. How can we make that happen. I'd love to be part of the cast.
Good interview. Nobody goes as deep and thorough as you do Eric.
These interviews are great listening while working in the garage.
While programming in the office.
While playing tennis on wii. :)
Isaac Witherspone :)
lets start a list lol
Thank you for your interesting story, Isaac.
Great interview... It is great to take the good and use it and continue to do good.
Once you start thinking for yourself you are at least mentally, if not spiritually and physically on the way out of the Watchtower.
Well said. And if a person takes a short amount of time away from the constant indoctrination then many begin to wake up and see freedom all around them.
@@JWStruggleWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
hey Isaac this is Brian Bond I like your story I'm from Oklahoma and I too was raised a Jehovah's Witness from the age of 5 until I was 27 I was married to a district or no presiding overseers daughter had two children with her both are grown a 24 + 21 I have two granddaughters I know how you feel about things I never was a ministerial servant because I chose not to accept being one. growing up a Jehovah's Witness I saw a lot of things I didn't agree with it but I was young so many friends of mine who were disfellowshipped over nonsense I learn that once you're in a Judicial committee there's only one outcome disfellowshipping I too was disfellowshipped in 1996 because my wife that I was married to presiding overseers daughter was cheating on me so I started drinking actually she divorced me and that's what started the drinking I'm now 47 almost 48 and haven't drank in years my mother who is still going strong as a devout Jehovah's Witness hasn't spoken to me really in 20 years my sisters too and I live 5 miles from them but I was married 15 years ago and have 4 more children with this one that I'm with now and my mother had something to do with him of course he's trying to bring them into this religion or cult I pray for my family everyday that God opens their eyes to the 40-plus years that they've been brainwashed and I'll tell you now I have a better relationship with God than I did as a Jehovah's Witness I'm glad to hear your story and would like to be your friend me and you are about the same age it seems like I know where you was training at in Oklahoma it's in Norman Oklahoma I'm not a postal carrier or anything just an old truck driver slash do-it-yourself kind of person anyways thanks for your story and I'd like to hear back from you thank you
From a former JW, thanks. This video has brought memories and also painful feelings. I was born a JW, a nightmare life since I don't even believe in God. Left the cult a few years ago, best decision ever! I would never go back, even though my family doesn't even talk to me. I am free and can't be more thankful that I have chosen my path!
I feel exactly the same. I was raised in it but always had doubts on all the "new light" .. Noah's ark story and others, a literal 6000 yo earth etc..but I bought into the part about the world having nothing to offer so I stayed till age 42. im totally free now and freedom rocks. the novelty may never wear off. ty for sharing your story.
I really enjoyed this interview. I think one of the most important parts was when Mr. Carmignani made the point that most Witnesses haven't even read the The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures from beginning to end and they are still teaching in the Ministry School.
Very nice interview(s)! This show from the producers of Breaking Amish is really going to happen! That's cool. I once made a prediction that Watchtower would changer their name also, but they are really tied into many business accounts and transactions between Penn and New York..
Thanks Isaac you are a true gem in the middle of a mud puddle! Love to you~
God bless you, brother. for sharing the info.
Nice interview. You both seem like decent dudes. I have uploaded a few vids about my story. My marriage is ending to the same woman for the 2nd time. I left that religion 8 years ago. It resulted in a divorce. I went back into that lunacy 4 years ago and remarried her 1 year later. 1 and 1/2 years later I came out as an atheist. Our 15 year old son sees things my way and is an atheist as well. I am an amateur comic as well. I am a bit more abrasive about the whole affair than Isaac. My sons mother is still a very devote JW and is very depressed about " what I did to our son". I feel that I had a right and duty to share my feelings about JWS and religion in general to him. My kid is now enjoying friendships with all kinds of kids. He is getting formal training in Parkour. He just got on the honor roll. He loves science, especially Astrophysics. He is thinking of college and even military service. He is a much more upstanding kid than he was when he was in that religion. I am happy that I helped pull him away from that shit. Now he is living a normal life. I did not want him growing up in that chaos like I did. Now he can pursue HIS dreams and not the sadistic nightmares of 12 control freaks in N.Y. At some point I will pursue MY dreams as well after he grows up. I always wanted to go to acting school. I don't mind religious people. But, religions like that are dangerous. I even smoke a tobacco pipe. A very enjoyable hobby. Peace!!!
Atheist Clown Great experience so glad you shared it. Once again it highlights the fact that so many of us that escape the WT mindset flourish and grow after we are set free.
Do you know how dangerous tobacco pipe smoking is? It is more dangerous to your health than cigarettes. Google It and see! I am sorry about your marriage. I have Yahuaweh God in my heart and His son Immanuel but I wonder how people can find God and peace in any religious organisation and yet I believe we need his love and guidance. There is so much evil and so many dangers in this world today because the whole world really is in the power of the wicked ones control at present. I know the Firstborn of God written in Hebrews 1:6 called Immanuel meaning when translated 'With Us Is God', Matthew 1:23 did come into this world and was taken up to heaven Revelation 12:4 to be taught by His heavenly Father. He is coming, he must come soon. What I have written about my faith I don't expect you will understand or accept so it is probably madness to write it but as far as smoking pipe tobacco goes if you are unaware of the dangers research and make an informed decision assuming you haven't already considered this. My grandfather died young owing to this habit.
YHWH bless you and your son.
June Maunder Hey, if God works for you that's great. Not for me. Pipe tobacco smoking has great psychological properties. It is a hobby. I am alone now and coming home to my pipes and taking care of them as well as having a smoke is awesome. My pipes are like my girl friends and I even have names for them. I am a comedian so you know where I can go with that. I have another channel just to hang with fellow pipers all over the world. . I only smoke about 3 or 4 bowls a day. I also love going through the piper magazines and seeing all the great pipes and blends. All that is involved with the hobby, including watching other dudes and gals puffing away and cordially hanging out with them either in a pipe shop or on You Tube is awesome. I am very sorry about your grand father. However, many pipers live longer than non smokers. Stress can increase physical ailments. Piping calms me down. Peace!!!
Kaleb Brenenstuhl I have broken chains with all religion. I was never permitted to be a full grown JW because of circumstances and rejection by those in the org. My reference is personal and true it is written and was experienced. I understand you needing to be free from religion and regret I have caused any discomfort. However there is a lot of dangers in the world the lies, wars and killings and behaviour of people in government positions should alert you to that if you google Kevin Annett you might have some Idea of what I am referring to. Or google Leonard Ulrich an unbiased Historian. Have you watched Benjamin Freedman video? I understand the JW would put anyone off religion. Most are infiltrated or as with JW Russell funded and begun with Freemason funding and undoubtedly influenced by them to a great degree.
June....You're a sad case of how JWs ruin any grain of faith that once resided in them. You simply had misplaced faith for h/ever long, and prayerfully you'll come to the truth...the truth that is found only in Jesus Christ.
Thank you it is an interesting, intelligent and kind interview that shows truth and sincerity with analysis and knowledge. I do feel that there is a lot of pressure, pushing and even "godly" competition that ends up squeezing life...when the schedule is just so full and the person doesn't get to be himself/ herself (no harm or wrong intended).
Thanks for this video.
great interview erick.thank you both,derek
I take it that I went to school with Isaac, as I am a Brooklyn Tech Class of 1984 Electrical Engineering major also. I never was a JW, but in the 1990's I had a LTR with a JW. That in itself is a long story, but in short we "sold" our secret marriage story to the elders and she got a silent reproof but was left ultimately back in good standing. I've been to Circuit, District, and Special Assemblies at Nassau Coliseum, at the Stanley, and at Albermarle; I've been to Walkill Farms also. You know how critical a thinker you become at Tech, and not ever having become a baptized brother you know I grilled elders and overseers on doctrine, criticizing them on their strange interpretation of the Bible but also on CT Russell, on wavering and contradictory doctrine changes I studied from previous Watchtowers and Watchtower publications throughout the years and a great deal of information I gleaned from Raymond Franz. I hope we can get in contact and talk sometimes.
Adeeb Shabazz Thanks for sharing that Adeeb- It's great to hear viewpoints from folks that never were Witnesses but were around it. Can you email me at jwstruggle@gmail.com? I'd like to chat with you more about some of your stories!
You're welcome. I absolutely will email you. Looking forward to chatting more.
This was one of the best interviews you've done-thank you so much for sharing this, and to Isaac for sharing his story! After leaving the witnesses, I converted to (modern) Orthodox Judaism. What actually drew me to the XJW community was actually organizations for ex-ultra-Orthodox Jews like Footsteps and the It Gets Besser video project. When I saw how similar some ultra-orthodox communities are with how I was brought up as a Witness I was stunned. While I am still (semi) active in the modern orthodox community (which does not have nearly as many of the problems as the ultra-orthodox/Haredi/Hasidic community) I have a number of friends who are active in the ex-"frum" community. I think it's wonderful how Isaac saw the similarities too, and is working to help all cult survivors.
So then you believe that the New Testament is false and that Jesus is a Liar.
jwpublisher1 .
TBH, concerning theology, I'm an atheist and a fan of biblical criticism for both Hebrew and Greek scriptures. :)
jwpublisher1 .
I believe the guys who wrote the new testament are liars. (It wasn't Jesus who wrote it.)
Really great interview!!! I always wonder what the fly on the wall hears :)
Great Interview.....
Than you Isaac and Eric this was a great interview.
Great advice using what we learned in watchtower world to our benefit.
Great Interview. A MUST see for anyone who is thinking about leaving that Organization in a NON-confrontational way !
As well planned out as Mr.Carmignani's escape was from the JW WTBTS, they still stung him anyway..
The retaliatory abilities of the JW (WTBTS) is much greater than a "normal" Company, because they have direct access to your FAMILY. A person of "considerable rank" in that organization must carefully examine Mr.Carmignani's experiences here in order to limit any retaliatory measures taken by the JW of WTBTS...
fantastic engrossing story, thank you for telling it.
I want to get out but I don't see how to get out
It is interesting how
every ex-JW story is the same.
David Thompson In many ways that's true David. That was one of the things that helped me out. It showed me that I was not alone in my experiences. I wasn't crazy!
lol I like all the name dropping...Expose those clowns
I really appreciated this video as a born into the congregation (their truth) woman. I've never been baptized because of what I have identified as bias in many forms since the age of 10 or 11(I'm turning 40 this year). I married a man that is a baptized JW. We have 2 kids and I have started having many concerns in regards to their mental and emotional well-being in this organization. You can't be honest about what you feel on issues with people who say they are your friends,otherwise they run to elders behind your back. Never-mind, the fact I'm an honest person and have already boldly told them how I feel to their face (this doesn't detour others from back-biting). I've been tied to Satan for standing up for Yahweh's character as being impartial and saying that he is and in-turn I should be impartial as well. I've started meetings with elders upon my notice of such back-biting instead of waiting on them to never reach out (hired men that they are). Now my husband, who has been to jail and I worked on recovering our marriage for many years and still talked to him when he was DF'd, threatens to divorce me if I don't stop talking to him about my concerns of the WTS. What stood out in the video was how Brother (sorry but I feel everyone is my brother,male and female) Carmingnani said he appreciates how his new wife has a true sense of self. Wow, just wow. The love you have for her when you say that! How I wish my husband could only understand how much I love him and our children when using my own free will, sense of self,intelligence, and loyalty to them when trying to protect them from what I'm seeing as a threat to their well-being. Much love to all who see without eye's and listen to an open heart. Thank you.
An inspiring story. What an example you set for others in this position - and there are many. I am saddened by some of the negative comments I have read and respond thus: Please don't judge or make assumptions. No one can truly understand the depths of damage done by anyone, be it an individual or a cult, who uses 'Stockholm syndrome' tactics to trap, ensnare and enslave. It can take a lifetime in recovery. I was born and raised in England during the 60's, with very similar experiences. The influence of this religion is far and wide, and it is solidarity amongst the 'Ex Ex's' that will speed up freedom and justice for the victims.
I believe that if we criticise loudly and aggressively, most will dig their heels in, close their ears, eyes and hearts, and wait patiently for Armageddon, thinking it to be imminent because of our 'persecution'. If we respond with dignity, love and reasonable questioning, some will hear. I know we have a right to our anger and pain, but, it as a marathon not a sprint.
I salute you Isaac for standing up for Truth (the real truth) in what must have been extremely difficult circumstances and wish you and your family all the very best for the future - you now have one!
Once again, thank you JWStruggle, as I read and learn more, you are fast becoming one of my heros, for bringing light into the world of darkness within which we are thrust by WT.
HJ Brown Thanks, I certainly hope that I can help some. As many people as possible.
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The statement, “in 539 B.C.E.-just as Judah’s 70-year exile was about to end-
the seemingly invincible city of Babylon was overthrown” is so phrased to
deceptively give the impression that the punishment of Babylon and their
supposed end date for the exile are closely linked and both are the fulfillment
of the 70 year prophecy, when in fact only the former is.
If we were to accept their proposed year of return from exile in 537 BCE
there would still be a 2 year gap with 539 BCE. This would invalidate
the 537 BCE date when you realize from the context that the prophecy
is uniquely pointing to 539 BCE only as the year of fulfillment. Saying,
“just as Judah’s 70-year exile was about to end” is a complete distortion
of what is said in the context of Jeremiah 25:11 since verse 12 clearly
states that the 70 years were completed when the Babylonians were
called to account. Anyone who has the honesty to read on in verse 12
can verify this:
New International Version
"But when the seventy years are FULFILLED, I will punish the king of Babylon
andhis nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the LORD,
"and will make it desolate forever.
New Living Translation
"Then, after the seventy years of captivity are OVER, I will punish the king of
Babylon and his people for their sins," says the LORD. "I will make the country
of the Babylonians a wasteland forever.
English Standard Version
Then after seventy years are COMPLETED, I will punish the king of Babylon
and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity, declares the
LORD, making the land an everlasting waste.
New American Standard Bible
'Then it will be when seventy years are COMPLETED I will punish the king
of Babylon and that nation,' declares the LORD, 'for their iniquity, and the
land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it an everlasting desolation.
King James Bible
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED,
that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD,
for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual
desolations.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
When the 70 years are COMPLETED, I will punish the king of Babylon
and that nation--this is the LORD's declaration-- 'the land of the Chaldeans,
for their guilt, and I will make it a ruin forever.
International Standard Version
Then when the seventy years have PASSED, I'll judge the king of Babylon
and that nation, declares the LORD, I'll judge the land of the Chaldeans for
their iniquity and I'll make it a desolation forever.
NET Bible
"'But when the seventy years are OVER, I will punish the king of Babylon
and his nation for their sins. I will make the land of Babylon an everlasting
ruin. I, the LORD, affirm it!
New Heart English Bible
It shall happen, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish
the king of Babylon, and that nation, says the LORD, for their iniquity, and the
land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate forever.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"When the 70 years are OVER, I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation
for their crimes, declares the LORD. I will turn Babylon into a permanent
wasteland.
JPS Tanakh 1917
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will
punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity,
and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it perpetual desolations.
New American Standard 1977
‘Then it will be when seventy years are COMPLETED I will punish the king
of Babylon and that nation,’ declares the LORD, ‘for their iniquity, and the
land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it an everlasting desolation.
Jubilee Bible 2000
And it shall come to pass when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that
I will visit upon the king of Babylon and upon that people their own evil,
said the LORD and upon the land of the Chaldeans and will make it perpetual
desolations.
King James 2000 Bible
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that
I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, says the LORD, for their iniquity,
and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.
American King James Version
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that
I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, said the LORD, for their iniquity,
and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual
desolations.
American Standard Version
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will
punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith Jehovah, for their iniquity,
and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate for ever.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And when the seventy years shall be EXPIRED, I will punish the king of Babylon,
and that nation, saith the Lord, for their iniquity, and the land of the
Chaldeans: and I will make it perpetual desolations.
Darby Bible Translation
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, [that] I will
visit on the king of Babylon and on that nation, saith Jehovah, their iniquity,
and on the land of the Chaldeans, and I will make it perpetual
desolations.
English Revised Version
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will
punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity,
and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate for ever.
Webster's Bible Translation
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will
punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity,
and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual
desolations.
World English Bible
It shall happen, when seventy years are ACCOMPLISHED, that I will punish the
king of Babylon, and that nation, says Yahweh, for their iniquity, and the
land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate forever.
Young's Literal Translation
'And it hath come to pass, at the FULNESS of seventy years, I charge against the
king of Babylon, and against that nation -- an affirmation of Jehovah -- their iniquity,
and against the land of the Chaldeans, and have appointed it for desolations age-during.
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Well I baptized almost 2 years ago now and growing up in there was always sketchy to me... Since 7..but like the teaching goes...never question the slave and discrete and never even have thoughts of doubting Jehovah's organization.all my teen years I was like a robot and follow what they told me to do. I stopped studying but went back when I was 18 just because I was scared and traumatized with the whole "Armageddon is almost here" (talking about 4 years ago) so I retook my study, felt I was doing good..my teacher sensed I had gay tendencies so I told her but she never let me explain in depth how I felt.she just heard from the surface me being gay. She wanted me to baptize before she went back to her main hometown we discussed a topic that got me doubting since.even if it was a peak of it ,it was enough to set a spark of doubts.
I remember her saying how the watchtower can't really tell it's integrants from the congregation about a mentally ill person. She didn't explained why so since then it was sketchy. I'm not sure if there's anyone who knows about this But to me...with my common sense, people have to be aware of other persons mental illness no matter where u are. You can possibly save their or your own life. .what if you're left alone for a couple minutes with that person and they are schizophrenic. And they didn't took their meds. And because of someone failing to warn u, they have a scene?.. And because of that you die ..can your family even sew the WT for that?anyway,..
so I felt pressured into taking this step. So summer of 2013 came and I baptized. Til this day I regret not being able to think on my own...I wasn't feeling so good. I still felt pressure from inside the congregation even after my teacher left. They still are.saying why don't I make some more steps...if r been wanting to say "why you guys want me to sacrifice all of my youth and energies when even the bible says God doesn't want sacrifices?" but I don't. And tbh,when I cut my hair short this summer,.. believe me....I haven't gotten a part lol. Its supposed to be every 3 months. also I got in trouble.for drawing a mustache on my face and the elders asked for my sexual orientation. Ok..??so I can't even play around when I'm bored? So.. Yeah,,,I'm.really thinking of leaving but just don't know how to break it down to them. Watching these vids actually helps a little. I don't think this makes me a bad person, just someone who wants to have more backup evidence of what's going on.I have begun thinking that people who . with enough time in their hands...can actually sit down and think of ways to really interpret a book and try to defend a teaching by viewing every angle possible so it's not easily pointed out and have whatever they are.saying being backed up with bible verses...I am just not really feeling them same. Although I'll lose friends...it's not the end. And I'm learning to not let words and guilt trip comments bring me down or make me feel worthless when my time comes...
Mitch Pol
One thing you should know that is not often revealed by the JWs...
You don't have to be baptized in order to be saved in the end times!
Baptism is a PERSONAL validation of devotion to Jehovah (YHWH)... and the ORGANIZATION [according to their 2 questions prior to baptism].
Unfortunately for you, now that you did, THEY will hold you responsible for it... there is no way to de-baptize yourself.
However, your relationship with God is between you and God ALONE.
Milton Henschel, former WBTS president personally confirmed this with me.
The "society" has many times stated that there may be some who have not heard the good news nor had time to dedicate themselves, yet will likely be saved by God if their hearts are right and WORK [in body, mind, spirit] toward him.
Don't let fear be the reason for your ambitions... let it be from your earnest desire to live according to God's requirements because you see God's way as the HEALTHIEST way to live.
Realize that our experiences, though painful as well as wholesome, are often what leads us down the paths we CHOOSE.
Realize WHO it was that led you down your path, and that not all who look like them, ACT like them.
If you study in earnest, you will find that God's name is YHWH [Yahweh].
Pray in the name of Almighty's Savior, or YHWHShua [Yahwehshua].
For many years I prayed to Jehovah through Jesus name, but always received more trouble instead.
Not until I prayed as I recommend, did all of the answers I needed [and wished for] become manifest!
There are good reasons why "Jehovah" may not be the right name to call God, so do your research!
I pray for you my sister!
Thank you and yes i have been going throigh some stuff. Its not easy but i try to just live my life. Even if i have certain things, i chose to be free. Im going through some decicions.getting shunned and also trying to write my assassination. Letter. I hope i can make it strong. I didnt attached much to everyone since ive always had my doubts.lol. thank u itll help me a lot.
HUGS!
crop triangle hugs!!
Excellent Interview.
I found your story fascinating,I was raised in it,but was between two worlds,meaning my parents were divorced over the whole issue.i have become a mainstream Christian,and it pains me to think that people are being denied the real Jesus because of the lies of there organization.they changed the Bible to suit there doctrine.i hope you guys haven't given up on god,but still seek out spirituality,that is on Christ.christ has made himself real to me,when I left I wanted nothing to do with religion.but later on in life I got saved,go to church and found loving caring people who actually love me.i just hope you guys are still seeking!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏I will remember to pray for you!!
Kevin Skogmo God bless you. You are on the right track.
I didn't think I would be able to sit still during this interview. I am good for maybe 30 minutes or so, but often loose interest in some of these videos. I like it when there is more fact presented rather than an emotional point of view. This interview was very informative. I learned a great deal about what goes on in a place such as Bethel. At one time my husband was an elder years ago, and I remember the elders talking about the congregation in a way that was not very constructive. I never said a thing to any other person until today about this. I guess in a very small way I could identify with Isaac. People should know that this organization has a hierarchy among the so called brothers. These congregations are told that this hierarchy does not exist.
I faded years ago and never looked back. No one ever approached me about it, except to say they missed me at the meetings. They would ask if I missed the brothers in the same breath. I would say no, and thank you for asking. Maybe they don't know I am out. I didn't have to leave my house and my husband still attends the meetings even though he is no longer an Elder. I just don't go to meetings and they don't bother me about it. While I never had issues with getting out and away from this organization, I am glad that you and your interviews can be of great assistance and comfort to those that need it. I honestly never knew the impact of leaving this organization had on people.
First of all, it was your parents who stop you from watching TV and watching Star Track. I am a JW and I watch TV and if I wanted to I could watch Star Track. I never like the show or movie. It was not for me. The Organization does not stop you from watching TV. I have three TV in my house. Back in the 70 most only had one TV. Like anything if you don't have the Love for what you believe in than you are just wasting your time. Jehovah know your heart and the reason why you are doing what you are doing. As for me I never wanted to go to Bethel. I never wanted to be a Elder or MS. I do it because I believe in Jehovah and what will happen in the future. No one know when it will happen but the sign are here. I never wanted to look cool in School. I just wanted to be me. I had friend in School and not to many friends at the Kingdom Hall. As far as going to college there is nothing wrong in it. Yes the Elder will encourage you not too, but this is my life and not there. I have my own brain and I don't share their brain. I went to the Philippines and married he love of my life. She is 23 years younger than I am. I lived in the Philippines for 5 years. Yes, I had problems with Elders there but I do things Jehovah way not there way. In the end they lost what they tried to do to us. I never talk to Elders unless I have a Camera so they can't say something that is not true. Elders can do wrong thing to Publisher but that is the reason why you fight to make sure they do things right. If they feel you are scared than they will do wrong things to you. Jehovah will work things out and soon he will clean out the organization in his time like he said he will do first. Yes, you do have a idea what will happen to you if you have a camera in the room. If they know they will say it is not allowed, but that is when you don't tell them till after the meeting is done. They will get upset but who care. As long as you do what is right in Jehovah eyes that is all that matters.
So encouraging!
Weird, I just had visitors asking me to A WORLD GOVERNMENT convention in Tucson. Upon opening the door there were at least 12 folks on the sidewalk along with the 4 on my porch. Nobody but nobody wears anything but shorts and t-shirts or golf shirts in Arizona during the summer. It will be 114 today. The girl who spoke quickly handed me the invitation and they left, no chance to invite them in for a bottle of cold water and a discussion.
thanks for your story Isaac
You're quite welcome! Anything I can do to be encouraging is my pleasure.
I was brought up as a JW but never believed a word of it. However, my parents never push to get me baptised or even do a bible reading. And that was the same with a lot of friends in the congregation. I was allowed to go to rock concerts, AC/DC, Black Sabbath etc. No one ever said anything. I went onto higher education, missing most midweek meetings, again nothing said. I left the organisation some 20 years ago as I was totally board with it all. And only now that I realise how totalitarian the organisation is. Or has it only recent that the organisation has taken a ultra conservative line?
Seven years later, ie 2021 and still no paradise. Keep safe everyone during this virus crisis bye from Australia.
Is The Watchtower Farm Still There? My mother used to take me there.
Very inspiring. Encouraging. Good stuff. Thanks guys.
I had bible studies when I was growing up,,I never wanted to commit to be a full time JW nor be baptized,,not until this day I want to be part of them,I did notice,my close did start to treat me way differently,If I were to visit them,I had to make an appointment,,,Never to bring any criticism of their practices,and so,,,So I have kept my distance,,until they found me in Facebook,and start critizing my lifestyle,I wasn't responding to them,and unfriended all of them,,,You can't say anything about them,but they can with you,,I did one thing,for all to read,When you leave THE CULT then we can be family again
what are all those creepy sounds in the background, anyone know?
Shannon Wright
Probably demons chucking his JW literature around, lol.
Sounds like a macaw to me. (I had one.)
What was that you find out about the blood issue?
im intrigued by the andy warhohl art
great interview and isaac great story
Mr. Calmignani, who else left that congregation? have any left recently. I started attending that congregation right after your exit.
Hey Erick,
I have a story that might interest you and your viewers. I left you a message on your channel page. I hope to hear back from you. Great interview as always. TC
@1:09 whats that noise?
So glad you're free
I'm not a JW nor ever was but U find these videos a blessing and a learning venue.
You cannot argue or disprove anyone s experience since their single experience proves that such actions happened
I would caution anyone to be baptized before the age of 18. Make a commitment to God and Him alone and dont be so quick to become involved or a member of an organization or denomination
Gods work involves helping people ie feeding the hungry, orphans, widows and preaching the good news of salvation THROUGH CHRIST
If you want to know God you pray to Him directly and you read His Word Alone. Gaining knowledge is power.. Read a variety of subjects
NEVER let anyone control or manipulate you . Your creator gave you free will.
Always keep a copy and recording of any letter you write and record all meetings bringing with you an impartial witness. If they dont allow your witness dont attend their meengs.. if you must,,, RECORD IT
I love you you all IN CHRIST
:YOU SHALL KOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE"
I tell the same exact thing to people who have left. At 28 I decided to go to college and make new friends. My first couple years of being out I just kind of kept to myself and threw myself into work. People at work encouraged me to go to college and ended up packing my bags and I never turned back.
I am also glad you mentioned being a EX-EX-JW lol...I think my first 4 years I had nothing to do with anything EX-JW or JW..I guess I wanted to purge myself of anything to do with it. Great interview.
Awesome Interview!
One of the by products of such devout service and study as a JW is many young people (especially those raised as jw), are quite intelligent. The crazy thing is that they are often stifled, if not totally prevented from reaching their fullest potential. The result is many adult JWs with no marketable mid to high level paying skills. I have, however, met many ex JWs that broke the spell and are returning to school well Into their adult yrs. That is encouraging.
I'm an Anointed Brother. I was wandering if someone can get in contact with me?
+Mike Howard Hello Mike, you might findore like minded folks over at: www.AnointedJW.org
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+Mike Howard you're among friends.. in a non judgment zone-- Would u like to talk?