I was raised in this cult, left physically at age 21, and found out the lies and b.s. around age 32. I have cried over the loss of childhood, and being mind f'd. These interviews are giving me LIFE right now to realize it doesn't have to be lonely at the top. Blessings to you all. Be aware of how our pain of rejection and loss once we awaken can manifest itself in the form of addiction and other wayward activities (overeating, hypersexuality etc) I've been sober five years, with the exception of two months. I'm going to the gym and making myself do positive things to fill up my time outside of work. Groups of like minded people help. Thank you!
Amazing story. I was once a Bethelite in 2000. Coming from Texas. I decided to live in NYC after my disfellowshipping and I survived when my fam and congregations here and home doubted me. I proved everyone wrong and I now live a happy successful life.
hell yea. that's when they show their true colors, too. they are disappointed by your success. we're only supposed to be mindless drug-addicted, std-infested, alcoholic deadbeats once we leave. that they would celebrate
Awesome interview!! Pedro nailed it when he said.."I don't negotiate with kidnappers!!".. Because we know that WT will kidnap our friends and family!!..So we are just here as a safety net for the ones that are coming out...We are not trying to bring anyone out we just want to be of assistance and help encourage them...We want to let them know that they're not alone!! We have been down this road and we're willing to assist in any way we can! Fifth, I cannot get enough of these Interviews, they're addicting... so please keep 'em coming! 💯👍
I wasn’t really in the organization but I was studying for years only to make my sister happy and really wanted to get baptized until I realized I had to give everything up. All my friends, video games, movies, birthdays, holidays and the fear that if I ever messed up that I could lose the love of my sister. It made me ask a lot of questions and I turned my back and hearing these stories make me glad I made that decision and I’m glad I did before I got baptized because I still have a relationship with my sister and it’s still strong. I thank you for these interviews.
Amazing interview. It really resonated with me. Fifth, your videos are great because you allow your guest to speak without feeling the need to constantly interrupt.
Yes, allowing the interviewee to talk at length without interruption makes the interviews all the more enjoyable. From the outset not interrupting has been part of Fifth's style.
This is a great interview in many ways and levels. The description of incredible sacrifices of two lives, a boy and his mom striving to achieve a single, difficult purpose - and then just being thrown away by an organization that demands complete ownership of individuals. It's enjoyable too for the way Fifth keeps a calm atmosphere going, to where the person can gather their thoughts and really get a flow of info going without being interrupted. Many thanks for this!
Another great interview Fifth! Two points Pedro brought out that really stood out to me: 1) how JW org continually counsels against higher education, yet those who ignore the counsel and go anyway and apply to Bethel have a much greater chance of being accepted, as they now have the education and skills (so hypocritical); and 2) how much you lose as you become a JW. Pedro said that with each chapter of the Bible Teach book, you are made to give up more and more of yourself until there is nothing left. It's such a sobering thought, yet so true. Thanks to both of you!
What did Jesus say? Go pile up for yourselves as much as you can before you die? Also, does it make sense to think God doesn't see the sacrifice and is not pleased you did something for him? Just saying
@@alev4287 II agree He probably appreciate the sacrifice, BUT JW's teachings is twisting scripture. Which means they are spreading a false gospel, a false salvation and a false Christ. You might as well be a satanist then, rather than dragging God's name through the mud with false teachings.
DAMMMMNNNNNNNN FIFTH!!!!! my man!!!!!!!!!!! you are quickly becoming the EXJW activist PERIOD! for interviews for sure with these people who are like blockbuster advocates (at one time) FOR WATCHTOWER! THIS VIDEO ALONE IS LITERALLY GETTING RID OF SO MUCH DOUBT!!!!! DAMN! i LOVE THIS! I DONT KNOW HOW YOU DO IT, BUT YOU MAKE ME FEEL LIKE ONE DAY YOU WILL LITERALLY HAVE A CIRCUIT OVERSEER ON YOUR SHOW! DAMN MAN TOP NOTCH, NETFLIX BLOCKBUSTER INTERVIEWS!
I read Leah Remini's book about Scientology and I just couldn't put it down as it was brimming with similarities. Everything she went through made the tears roll. It helped we with deprogramming even though I've been away a long time. James 1:5 "If any of you is lacking in wisdom, ask GOD who gives to all generously and ungrudgingly and it will be given you." Ask who? Not Watchtower. So you can do your research along with prayer. You are a brave person and I love the book of Proverbs by the way. I agree that we were all spiritually hijacked or kidnapped. I had a dream about just that and got a healing from it, showing all my journey with Watchtower, ending up with an encounter with Lord Jesus when I called on him at the end. It was so powerful.
“All we’re trying to do is give people access to information.” You make good on that motto with every video. Please keep your videos coming... this is my favorite channel by far.
This is the guy that did my Bethel museum tour back in 2012! , I knew I recognized him! I remember my belief in the religion being super reinforced after his lectures tied real actual world history to what we were learning at the hall. Glad he escaped and I've been out for about a year now. So crazy that he got out though I felt like he was one of those super theocratic types that would always be in haha!
You can tell that this guy is extremely smart. Its tougher to stay in because you have to learn to STOP THINKING. This cult is for those who either cant, or dont want to think...
@@hybridous Absolutely! I pioneered in my late teens and early 20's when it was 90 hours/month. Wasnt born-in, but came in gung-ho. Like Pedro, had a single mom whom I wanted to make proud. Passed up on going to good schools. But when I awoke...I realized how much I despised meetings. I couldn't stomach what I was hearing. When you start to think, you SEE EVERYTHING clearly.
@@CS-np2oo Yes. And then you have to face some unavoidable conclusions that are going to really disrupt your life. It's not called a cult for nothing...its a well earned pejorative.
I love each of your videos ex-jw fifth. You and Pedro are both so very articulate. It is a pleasure to tune in. So glad that now talents of all the bright young people in your videos won't be wasted on WT! Here's to saving many more from that misguided cult!
Loved this interview with Pedro. So happy he is free to pursue his authentic intellectual self! The world benefits from talented young people like him and yourself fifth who can now contribute to society at large and are no longer pigeonholed in wts 👏🏼
I was raised as a jw. Left it 17 yrs, I went to pioneer school and was devoted bc of my parents. I struggled for so many years trying to find my way, understand my place in this world with out Jehovah and my family bc I was shunned. I have slowly built a new foundation with support. This religion destroys people and families. It is truly tragic. Thank you guys for all your sharing and interviews. For so long, I felt so alone.
If you're afraid that your child will lose interest in baptism if you make them wait until they're older, that's exactly the reason why they should wait. Fantastic interview! Thank you guys.
I am so happy that I have heard your story. I am close to tears right now. I know if the elders knew the research that I've been doing I would be disfellowshipped. I'm starting to see so many cracks and less of Jehovah and it scares me. It also angers me. You were a phenomenal brother and a very unique human being. I would love to learn more about the scripture and history with you. Discuss so many questions that I could never talk about to my loved ones. Once my mom was disfellowshipped and I am pressured to cut her off. If I get disfellowshipped again I cannot talk to my sister. I pray everyday for God to show me the truth. The more I dig, the more lies I find.
Kept "mhm-ing" the whole time. The levels, the phases many of us went through, the dedication and loss we've felt. The guilt, the relief and finaly freedom. Well done both of you. Great interview.
Listening to Pedro's story is bringing back so many memories. His mother sounds just like mine. My mom prayed to Jehovah to give her a son, but only if he was going to faithfully serve him for the rest of his life. I was constantly reminded of this growing up.
Fifth, the guests you have on are a direct reflection of you: articulate, charming, vivid storytellers. That organization lost some amazing souls. Thanks for sharing this with us! ♥️
I agree. I've been listening to these videos for a few weeks now and one thing that stands out, is how articulate, intelligent and beautiful these people are. I faded from the organization as well and now that I am a grandmother, I wanted to reconsider going back to the meetings. Thank God, I had the need to investigate the truth before making a critical decision in my life. Apostacy always was a red light for me, little did I know that I too am considered an apostate. I haven't attended a meeting in 20 yrs. I did pray to Jehovah earnestly...and it actually led me to this.
Right? I am an avid Scientology watcher that found my way here through the aftermath show. These ex JW people are intelligent and articulate, and just plain sweet.
Thank you Fifth on a great in view and Pedro on sharing your experiences with us. Pedro, the brothers were right. You didn't belong in Bethel. You were a bad influence, but not for anything you did, not for wrong practices. You were a bad influence for who you are. Like Fifth you were teachable, submissive, loyal. You were both obedient. You even respectfully layed down when the brothers told you to. You both layed down but you refused to let the brothers stand on your necks. You see these brothers could never be satisfied with your submission. They wouldn't stop until you permitted them to bully, to degrade you. Congratulations. You are both men.
Thank you for articulating your experience - so strengthening for us who consciously wake up and take the brave step of leaving the only way of life we've ever known. Takes such courage and conviction and can be a lonely and scary experience but all these experiences help pave the way for others looking to leave and start their new life. Thank you a million.
Wow! Another great interview. You’re very good at letting people tell their story without interruption fifth. I think that’s important. Pedro, you are highly intelligent, thanks for sharing.
Interesting what he says about his peers not accepting him inside the 'truth' as I had the reverse experience, in fact this was actually one of the most 'normal' parts of me growing up in the cult. We used to have parties, we went to concerts and ice skating, we even went on holidays. How isolating must it have been for him not only to be required to avoid 'bad associations' in the world - but to also not have the opportunity to relate to his peers INSIDE the cult. Just WOW! Sounds like absolute hell!
3 thumbs up! Another great video and interview Fifth. Thank you too Pedro for sharing your story...wish you the best and much success in life. Makes one wonder how many other Bethelites are just wanting to bust out!
Thanks for sharing your story Pedro. I have seen your interview first in Spanish and now I have watched it in English. Needless to say, I really liked it. I hope you're well. All the best
thinking members lol! Would love to see a vid from Fifth on this (hint, hint)...Do bethelites, pioneers, and elders wake up the fastest or the most? I feel most CO's and DO's are awake but want to keep job security.
Jehovah has promised everyone 1000 years to grow to perfection. HOWEVER Watchtower, especially in Bethel, requires you to be perfect NOW, except they don't call it that. They disguise it with words and phrases like "exemplary", "spiritually strong", "young Timothy (for brothers), and "fine example in the congregation". So if you're not any of those, you're automatically just weak spiritually. All it takes is ONE TIME, to have your name negatively read across that platform, regardless of your "spiritual past", and you are forever marked.
I cheered out loud for Pedro. So many similarities to my own life raised as a JW. Been watching you for a while, Fifth, & your experience along with other born-ins you interview just propels me forward in my current journey out of this destructive group.
Great video as usual, I have learned a lot from watching them, I was never in the cult but my best friend joined it 20 years ago, I have been trying to figure it out ever since.... thank you so much for what you do, it is extremely informative there is nothing better than a testimony!
heather adams Pedro is a sinner, Sweet Sister, but now he is a sinner SAVED BY GRACE; which is how we ALL came to know JESUS CHRIST- HIS mercy, HIS grace. We are NOT clever, smart or articulate enough to DO anything when it comes to the things of GOD. The HOLY SPIRIT draws us. JESUS' SPIRIT is in the world today drawing out a ppl, preparing them for that special place where HE HIMSELF has prepared for them( St. john 14:1, 2 ). No man/woman can come not unless the SPIRIT draw us and all we can say is THANK YOU, FATHER for calling me (by name and drawing me to YOU).
@@jadaparks8047 I think it's natural to always point the blame or finger at someone else, even though like he said he felt forgiven, he had to go through the hoops of the organization, which is humbling and seems to defeat the purpose of intelligence. But something we all need to remember, we are not without sin.
This was fascinating. You spoke With confidence and intelligence. And although I'm a female I was in the organization for 61 years. Very active. Pioneer for 20 years. But I'm out for 3 and a 1/2 years. I can breathe.
It’s actually infuriating hearing how he was treated...I went thru some horrible horrible things over and over... and abuse growing up as a JW... I remember thinking that my mistreatment was rare and my mother always saying the governing body will come straighten these elders out, or wait for Jehovah to bring the justice. It was so hurtful to realize the elders act just like the entire governing body and after they receive direction from Bethel! They hid things and lied and tried to make me feel I was less of a person. They are so manipulative, deceptive and narcissistic! I admire him for being brave enough to publicly tell his story and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for you sharing your story and creating your channel. You are a really a good man!
Love you videos!!!!! I like the discussions! My father was an elder for many many years. I’ve been an Ex for years. Even as a very young person, I saw things that I thought ‘this is not right’. I really felt liberated when I read Fred Franz two books. Stellar books !!!!!!!
Phenomenal Interview Fifth!! Pedro, you're awesome your story is very intriguing and interesting. Welcome to True Freedom, I wish all the Best for both of you courageous men😉
There have been many who , when they learned the truth about the WT ORG, and have left the WT ORG, become agnostic but after some amount of time, they regained their faith. Thanks for this interview Fifth, Pedro, your interview was very interesting thanks for sharing your experience while in the WT ORG.
Very important point about the belief that you will only be loved inside the org! The world is full of kind and loving people ❤ commit to love the ones who love you unconditionally
Fifth, you're an awesome and talented host. God only knows how many beautiful human beings have had their strength, skill, talents and contributions squashed and neutered on behalf of the "Truth.". Thankyou for this.
LOVED this experience, I identified with so much of it especially being a loner amongst JW youth on top of at school because of being so indoctrinated, straight and green with strict, fully indoctrinated convert parents. Its so satisfying how he woke up and got out successfully, despite being one of the strong ones. Its often the WT corruption that wakes the strong ones up, it certainly started the process with me - the way my family were treated by every BOE in all different halls we moved to trying to escape the bullying, made me realise it was an old boys club, that goes all the way up to the headquarters who also when we were begging them for help, treated us less than coldly, literally did nothing, just siding with corrupt elders just because they hold the title of elder.
Oh, the story of this sweet young man touched my heart. As the mother of a young man probably not that much older than Pedro, I was waiting and watching and holding my breath, wanting to know... does he still have contact with his mother? He obviously loves her dearly, and I know that there is nothing on this earth that would make me turn my back on my son. I’m a garden variety live-and-let-live Christian, but if Jesus Himself told me to shun my son? Well, I’d rather face hell with him than heaven without. I really hope his mother left with him. Do you know? Another riveting video, Fifth! Thank you, as always. I’m not sure how I found your channel, as I’m not an ex-JW, but I find the material fascinating and your style so loving and warm. Hugs from Michigan!
Wow!! This story of Pedro is now one of my favorite stories. A true crazy but good story. Much respect and mad props to you Pedro. You are truly a good person and a good dude and strong mentally and smart. You know what's up and I'm sorry that you got the cards you got from the watchtower and bethel. Sure there are many good people there but there are some bad people there as well and you are one of the best I've seen so far as the top dogs like Cliff as well. I don't know you guys but I love you guys and I would totally buy you guys lunch and a beer if I ever met you in person. These stories from all of you and from the channels keep my head up and keep me inspired to just move forward and keep working hard in life for myself and my family even though I'm not a jw anymore. Funny how the ex jw's make me want to be stronger in life and honest and better then when I was a jw. Ugh...I hated being a witness....I really hated it and was embarrassed to be one sad to say. Much love and respect to this channel and to you Pedro. A+++++
Good interview. Pedro should be happy he was blessed able to find a job and place to live right away. Most who leave bethel are not so fortunate. The side job and making normal connections scares WT because it means if you leave you'll likely be able to stand on your own, like a man, Also, don't give up on college. There's still time.
Wow, they were REALLY trying to break this man’s spirit - they knew how smart he was and he became a threat to their wolf pack. His keystrokes probably only revealed that he was more intelligent than them😏. After that...he had to go✌🏽 Excellent interview!
Yes, so true, "company men" (i.e., obedient JW males in positions of power) detest younger JW males exhibiting any kind of intelligence and/or doctrinal curioisty. There is almost a, "How dare you!" mentality.
I took a tour with him several years ago when I was just waking up. He made a subtle comment/joke about the My Book of Bible Stories being full of bizarrely violent images for children and just as I was getting ready to cringe when a “worldly” woman and her grandchild joined the tour he changed the tone much to my relief. I fully woke up several months later and remember his remark about MBOBS and wondered if he was awake at that time. I’m delighted to see that he was! Congrats on your freedom Pedro!
My friend, this is your best video and interview I've seen. You have really great skill in interviewing people, and directing the conversation. Great experience Pedrito. The first thing that open my eyes and let me in road to wake up was exactly the same as him... Asking to be reinstated, and elders telling me not enough time had passed
A thoughtful interview, showing so clearly that thinkers have a tough time in JW organization. Thank you Fifth for letting your interviewees tell their stories. Another compelling story of a young intelligent Witness who realizes his religion of origin is a cult thst cannot withstand scrutiny.
Had to completely rewrite my comment because as I got later and later into the interview there were more and more interesting things. Two points that stick out; the bethel overseers were savage with Pedro. Reminds me of the old saying 'no good deed goes unpunished'; while others were pushing the JW-defined moral boundaries, Pedro was doing everything right, but because he appeared to not show 'absolute' loyalty he was blacklisted. While the others got away with their double lives. The other point was about him seeing how well 'worldly' people treated him. This was one of the most upsetting realizations for me; when I realized people who had never heard of Jehovah, or were religious and didn't care for Watchtower, or had no particular belief in god, treated me way better than several Jdubs I had known. AND, a lot of them were more humane than I was as a person. That was devastating, because I really thought of myself as 'good', and wordly people as 'bad'. The lie got revealed and I was as mad as hell. Even to this day, dealing with the people I live around, sometimes it hurts to see how good people can be, my old deep-rooted beliefs get uprooted again and again. I thought I would have been over it now 10 years post-exit; but it still has an impact.
When I was a freshmen in high school we had a ‘mock’ election and (telling my age), one of the choices to vote for was Prohibition, I pulled that handle. 😁 The terror I felt for having participated it the mock election was terrible because I was afraid somehow my parents would find out. They didn’t, but I felt the anxiety for a long time.
Welcome to your freedom. I am happy that you both were able to break from the Watchtower. By the way it is still not too late to go to school and do something that you love. :)
Your memories of accidentally doing "forbidden" things in elementary school reminded me of something funny: When I was in elementary school, students would always bring their own sandwiches for recess. I could see that some of my classmates would have jam sandwiches, but my mother never allowed jam on my school sandwiches. And I always figured the reason was that it was somehow un-Christian to have jam sandwiches at school! Because all the other things I could not do that everyone else did were always forbidden because they were "un-Christian". (Much later, I realized it was probably just because my mom thought jam sandwiches were sticky and messy...)
Genuinely compelling interview, well done.😇 People who are honorable, Biblically sound, walking away from the Organization makes Watchtower look bad. When one makes Watchtower look bad ( or there is professional jealously), one Will be crushed. They even try to paint ex-members as immoral, to justify their leaving. You may both appreciate the work of Adrian McQueen, Even at the Doors. His academic, historically based review of prophecy is accurately researched and beautifully produced.
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I was raised in this cult, left physically at age 21, and found out the lies and b.s. around age 32. I have cried over the loss of childhood, and being mind f'd. These interviews are giving me LIFE right now to realize it doesn't have to be lonely at the top. Blessings to you all. Be aware of how our pain of rejection and loss once we awaken can manifest itself in the form of addiction and other wayward activities (overeating, hypersexuality etc) I've been sober five years, with the exception of two months. I'm going to the gym and making myself do positive things to fill up my time outside of work. Groups of like minded people help. Thank you!
I hope you’re doing well sis. Sending love from California ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🤗
You probably were saved from more bad than you realize.
Have you left faith in Jesus Christ as Lord Almighty? Why?
Thank you❤. I hope you are well 🎉.
Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's?????
What a bunch of hypocrites. “Don’t go to college, but if you do go we can use the skills that you attained”.
Amazing story. I was once a Bethelite in 2000. Coming from Texas. I decided to live in NYC after my disfellowshipping and I survived when my fam and congregations here and home doubted me. I proved everyone wrong and I now live a happy successful life.
hell yea. that's when they show their true colors, too. they are disappointed by your success. we're only supposed to be mindless drug-addicted, std-infested, alcoholic deadbeats once we leave. that they would celebrate
Awesome interview!! Pedro nailed it when he said.."I don't negotiate with kidnappers!!".. Because we know that WT will kidnap our friends and family!!..So we are just here as a safety net for the ones that are coming out...We are not trying to bring anyone out we just want to be of assistance and help encourage them...We want to let them know that they're not alone!!
We have been down this road and we're willing to assist in any way we can!
Fifth, I cannot get enough of these Interviews, they're addicting... so please keep 'em coming! 💯👍
I wasn’t really in the organization but I was studying for years only to make my sister happy and really wanted to get baptized until I realized I had to give everything up. All my friends, video games, movies, birthdays, holidays and the fear that if I ever messed up that I could lose the love of my sister. It made me ask a lot of questions and I turned my back and hearing these stories make me glad I made that decision and I’m glad I did before I got baptized because I still have a relationship with my sister and it’s still strong. I thank you for these interviews.
You were wise.
Amazing interview. It really resonated with me. Fifth, your videos are great because you allow your guest to speak without feeling the need to constantly interrupt.
Doctor Zaeus I agree. You allow them to tell their story. Pedro is also a great storyteller that you can't help but sit back and let him talk.
Yes, allowing the interviewee to talk at length without interruption makes the interviews all the more enjoyable. From the outset not interrupting has been part of Fifth's style.
I love your interviews. Please keep them coming. You interview well and really allow your cohost to tell their story without interruptions.
This is a great interview in many ways and levels. The description of incredible sacrifices of two lives, a boy and his mom striving to achieve a single, difficult purpose - and then just being thrown away by an organization that demands complete ownership of individuals. It's enjoyable too for the way Fifth keeps a calm atmosphere going, to where the person can gather their thoughts and really get a flow of info going without being interrupted. Many thanks for this!
Another great interview Fifth! Two points Pedro brought out that really stood out to me: 1) how JW org continually counsels against higher education, yet those who ignore the counsel and go anyway and apply to Bethel have a much greater chance of being accepted, as they now have the education and skills (so hypocritical); and 2) how much you lose as you become a JW. Pedro said that with each chapter of the Bible Teach book, you are made to give up more and more of yourself until there is nothing left. It's such a sobering thought, yet so true. Thanks to both of you!
Susan Gaskin this was very insightful @ point (b). I certainly didn't realise it until he pointed it out! Great interview
Yes, don't go for higher education but they're shamelessly using every high-tech gadget that is a product of higher education !
What did Jesus say? Go pile up for yourselves as much as you can before you die? Also, does it make sense to think God doesn't see the sacrifice and is not pleased you did something for him? Just saying
@@alev4287 II agree He probably appreciate the sacrifice, BUT JW's teachings is twisting scripture. Which means they are spreading a false gospel, a false salvation and a false Christ. You might as well be a satanist then, rather than dragging God's name through the mud with false teachings.
DAMMMMNNNNNNNN FIFTH!!!!! my man!!!!!!!!!!! you are quickly becoming the EXJW activist PERIOD! for interviews for sure with these people who are like blockbuster advocates (at one time) FOR WATCHTOWER! THIS VIDEO ALONE IS LITERALLY GETTING RID OF SO MUCH DOUBT!!!!! DAMN! i LOVE THIS! I DONT KNOW HOW YOU DO IT, BUT YOU MAKE ME FEEL LIKE ONE DAY YOU WILL LITERALLY HAVE A CIRCUIT OVERSEER ON YOUR SHOW! DAMN MAN TOP NOTCH, NETFLIX BLOCKBUSTER INTERVIEWS!
I read Leah Remini's book about Scientology and I just couldn't put it down as it was brimming with similarities. Everything she went through made the tears roll. It helped we with deprogramming even though I've been away a long time.
James 1:5 "If any of you is lacking in wisdom, ask GOD who gives to all generously and ungrudgingly and it will be given you." Ask who? Not Watchtower. So you can do your research along with prayer.
You are a brave person and I love the book of Proverbs by the way.
I agree that we were all spiritually hijacked or kidnapped. I had a dream about just that and got a healing from it, showing all my journey with Watchtower, ending up with an encounter with Lord Jesus when I called on him at the end. It was so powerful.
“All we’re trying to do is give people access to information.” You make good on that motto with every video. Please keep your videos coming... this is my favorite channel by far.
This is the guy that did my Bethel museum tour back in 2012! , I knew I recognized him! I remember my belief in the religion being super reinforced after his lectures tied real actual world history to what we were learning at the hall. Glad he escaped and I've been out for about a year now. So crazy that he got out though I felt like he was one of those super theocratic types that would always be in haha!
You can tell that this guy is extremely smart. Its tougher to stay in because you have to learn to STOP THINKING. This cult is for those who either cant, or dont want to think...
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Absolutely! I pioneered in my late teens and early 20's when it was 90 hours/month. Wasnt born-in, but came in gung-ho. Like Pedro, had a single mom whom I wanted to make proud. Passed up on going to good schools. But when I awoke...I realized how much I despised meetings. I couldn't stomach what I was hearing. When you start to think, you SEE EVERYTHING clearly.
@@CS-np2oo Yes. And then you have to face some unavoidable conclusions that are going to really disrupt your life. It's not called a cult for nothing...its a well earned pejorative.
@@hybridous I've been thinking a lot about this, and i'm thinking I might still be missing something, Prov.3:5
@@alev4287 ha...we are all missing something, or another
I love each of your videos ex-jw fifth. You and Pedro are both so very articulate. It is a pleasure to tune in. So glad that now talents of all the bright young people in your videos won't be wasted on WT! Here's to saving many more from that misguided cult!
You’re KILLING it with these interviews bro!
I love his interviews!
Loved this interview with Pedro. So happy he is free to pursue his authentic intellectual self! The world benefits from talented young people like him and yourself fifth who can now contribute to society at large and are no longer pigeonholed in wts 👏🏼
thank you! just started undergrad, too!
I was raised as a jw. Left it 17 yrs, I went to pioneer school and was devoted bc of my parents. I struggled for so many years trying to find my way, understand my place in this world with out Jehovah and my family bc I was shunned. I have slowly built a new foundation with support. This religion destroys people and families. It is truly tragic. Thank you guys for all your sharing and interviews. For so long, I felt so alone.
Great interview! it was a real pleasure to listen to your story. Thanks for sharing and for your activism!
If you're afraid that your child will lose interest in baptism if you make them wait until they're older, that's exactly the reason why they should wait. Fantastic interview! Thank you guys.
Man I love that silver and gold illustration! Another great interview, thx!
It’s great to see the many articulate voices in this series. I’m really enjoying them. It is both thought provoking and freedom enhancing. Thanks!
You do excellent work Fifth. Really enjoyed this interview and his humility and objectivism.
What a fascinating story and well explained. I'm a huge supporter of sharing what we all went through. There are thousands eager to know about it.
I am so happy that I have heard your story. I am close to tears right now. I know if the elders knew the research that I've been doing I would be disfellowshipped. I'm starting to see so many cracks and less of Jehovah and it scares me. It also angers me. You were a phenomenal brother and a very unique human being. I would love to learn more about the scripture and history with you. Discuss so many questions that I could never talk about to my loved ones. Once my mom was disfellowshipped and I am pressured to cut her off. If I get disfellowshipped again I cannot talk to my sister. I pray everyday for God to show me the truth. The more I dig, the more lies I find.
The best ex.JW video I have seen. My heart goes out to this young man.
thank you. gød is good and has seen to it that i be repaid for everything, and much more than i deserve
Kept "mhm-ing" the whole time. The levels, the phases many of us went through, the dedication and loss we've felt. The guilt, the relief and finaly freedom. Well done both of you. Great interview.
Listening to Pedro's story is bringing back so many memories. His mother sounds just like mine. My mom prayed to Jehovah to give her a son, but only if he was going to faithfully serve him for the rest of his life. I was constantly reminded of this growing up.
Fifth, the guests you have on are a direct reflection of you: articulate, charming, vivid storytellers. That organization lost some amazing souls. Thanks for sharing this with us! ♥️
I agree. I've been listening to these videos for a few weeks now and one thing that stands out, is how articulate, intelligent and beautiful these people are. I faded from the organization as well and now that I am a grandmother, I wanted to reconsider going back to the meetings. Thank God, I had the need to investigate the truth before making a critical decision in my life. Apostacy always was a red light for me, little did I know that I too am considered an apostate. I haven't attended a meeting in 20 yrs. I did pray to Jehovah earnestly...and it actually led me to this.
This is how the Org cuts it's own throat...it forces out it's best members. Theres no place for the best, brightest, and most honest.
Right? I am an avid Scientology watcher that found my way here through the aftermath show. These ex JW people are intelligent and articulate, and just plain sweet.
Great interview! Glad you have found happiness Pedro, I love the illustration about gold and silver.
THIS interview was so touching! Makes it nice to see/hear a fellow ex-JW share their experience. Very good job both of you...
"I dont negotiate with kidnappers" Brilliant interview!!!
Thank you Fifth on a great in view and Pedro on sharing your experiences with us. Pedro, the brothers were right. You didn't belong in Bethel. You were a bad influence, but not for anything you did, not for wrong practices. You were a bad influence for who you are. Like Fifth you were teachable, submissive, loyal. You were both obedient. You even respectfully layed down when the brothers told you to. You both layed down but you refused to let the brothers stand on your necks. You see these brothers could never be satisfied with your submission. They wouldn't stop until you permitted them to bully, to degrade you. Congratulations. You are both men.
Thank you for articulating your experience - so strengthening for us who consciously wake up and take the brave step of leaving the only way of life we've ever known. Takes such courage and conviction and can be a lonely and scary experience but all these experiences help pave the way for others looking to leave and start their new life. Thank you a million.
Another fantastic interview and so helpful for people thinking about leaving or have left already. Thank you so much.
Another good interview. I never miss them.
Great interview‼️ Thanks Fifth and Pedro 🙌🏼 hope you’re doing great as a free man and enjoying life… it’s the only one we’ll ever have‼️
So happy for you Pedro! Thanks for introducing us Fifth. Wishing you both the best!
What an amazing interview!! Thankyou fifth! Love from down under!
What a wonderful interview!!! Thanks to you and Pedro for it!
Wow! Another great interview. You’re very good at letting people tell their story without interruption fifth. I think that’s important. Pedro, you are highly intelligent, thanks for sharing.
This was a most informative video in all aspects. I so enjoyed this young man's candid sharing...
Thank God you exam your privilege that you had been Bamboozled. We are really Bless Pedro & Fifth that our light gotten Brighter.
Interesting what he says about his peers not accepting him inside the 'truth' as I had the reverse experience, in fact this was actually one of the most 'normal' parts of me growing up in the cult. We used to have parties, we went to concerts and ice skating, we even went on holidays. How isolating must it have been for him not only to be required to avoid 'bad associations' in the world - but to also not have the opportunity to relate to his peers INSIDE the cult. Just WOW! Sounds like absolute hell!
Great Story. And well done. Strong brother you are. Keep the good work up.
Brilliant interview !!
Keep it coming Fifth. You motivated me to fade and start living my life on my terms
Young Drew we shere the same vie you and I
The world is a wondrous place, and people are great! Real freedom!
@@lindalawton9545 The world is passing away
What an articulate and positive young man! Thanks for this interview
this is a fantastic interview. This ex-JW puts everything into perspective and summarises this religion perfectly.
3 thumbs up! Another great video and interview Fifth. Thank you too Pedro for sharing your story...wish you the best and much success in life. Makes one wonder how many other Bethelites are just wanting to bust out!
Excellent interview!!
👍This video interview discussion was terrific and what he says is absolutely true. So glad people are speaking out. 🤗💞🤗
Thanks for sharing your story Pedro. I have seen your interview first in Spanish and now I have watched it in English. Needless to say, I really liked it. I hope you're well. All the best
Wonderful interview. So many former bethelites on youtube. Bethel must be the fast track to waking up.
Blu Haiku - Oooh. Good one. I think so (for thinking members).
thinking members lol! Would love to see a vid from Fifth on this (hint, hint)...Do bethelites, pioneers, and elders wake up the fastest or the most? I feel most CO's and DO's are awake but want to keep job security.
Great interview! I'm glad it's back up. I can relate to a lot of it. I guess you're not on social media, but hopefully we can connect one day.
Jehovah has promised everyone 1000 years to grow to perfection. HOWEVER Watchtower, especially in Bethel, requires you to be perfect NOW, except they don't call it that. They disguise it with words and phrases like "exemplary", "spiritually strong", "young Timothy (for brothers), and "fine example in the congregation". So if you're not any of those, you're automatically just weak spiritually. All it takes is ONE TIME, to have your name negatively read across that platform, regardless of your "spiritual past", and you are forever marked.
I cheered out loud for Pedro. So many similarities to my own life raised as a JW. Been watching you for a while, Fifth, & your experience along with other born-ins you interview just propels me forward in my current journey out of this destructive group.
Another great interview with a former member of watchtower that woke up and found the courage to do an honest examination of his beliefs
Great video as usual, I have learned a lot from watching them, I was never in the cult but my best friend joined it 20 years ago, I have been trying to figure it out ever since.... thank you so much for what you do, it is extremely informative there is nothing better than a testimony!
This is the best interview i have seen Pedro was too clever for watchtower. .
heather adams Pedro is a sinner, Sweet Sister, but now he is a sinner SAVED BY GRACE; which is how we ALL came to know JESUS CHRIST- HIS mercy, HIS grace. We are NOT clever, smart or articulate enough to DO anything when it comes to the things of GOD. The HOLY SPIRIT draws us. JESUS' SPIRIT is in the world today drawing out a ppl, preparing them for that special place where HE HIMSELF has prepared for them( St. john 14:1, 2 ). No man/woman can come not unless the SPIRIT draw us and all we can say is THANK YOU, FATHER for calling me (by name and drawing me to YOU).
@@jadaparks8047 I think it's natural to always point the blame or finger at someone else, even though like he said he felt forgiven, he had to go through the hoops of the organization, which is humbling and seems to defeat the purpose of intelligence. But something we all need to remember, we are not without sin.
This was fascinating. You spoke With confidence and intelligence. And although I'm a female I was in the organization for 61 years. Very active. Pioneer for 20 years. But I'm out for 3 and a 1/2 years. I can breathe.
thank you. glad you're free. kick your feet up and enjoy life for yourself
It’s actually infuriating hearing how he was treated...I went thru some horrible horrible things over and over... and abuse growing up as a JW... I remember thinking that my mistreatment was rare and my mother always saying the governing body will come straighten these elders out, or wait for Jehovah to bring the justice. It was so hurtful to realize the elders act just like the entire governing body and after they receive direction from Bethel! They hid things and lied and tried to make me feel I was less of a person. They are so manipulative, deceptive and narcissistic! I admire him for being brave enough to publicly tell his story and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for you sharing your story and creating your channel. You are a really a good man!
Love you videos!!!!! I like the discussions! My father was an elder for many many years. I’ve been an Ex for years. Even as a very young person, I saw things that I thought ‘this is not right’. I really felt liberated when I read Fred Franz two books. Stellar books !!!!!!!
Phenomenal Interview Fifth!! Pedro, you're awesome your story is very intriguing and interesting. Welcome to True Freedom, I wish all the Best for both of you courageous men😉
There have been many who , when they learned the truth about the WT ORG, and have left the WT ORG, become agnostic but after some amount of time, they regained their faith. Thanks for this interview Fifth, Pedro, your interview was very interesting thanks for sharing your experience while in the WT ORG.
Very important point about the belief that you will only be loved inside the org! The world is full of kind and loving people ❤ commit to love the ones who love you unconditionally
Fifth, you're an awesome and talented host. God only knows how many beautiful human beings have had their strength, skill, talents and contributions squashed and neutered on behalf of the "Truth.". Thankyou for this.
LOVED this experience, I identified with so much of it especially being a loner amongst JW youth on top of at school because of being so indoctrinated, straight and green with strict, fully indoctrinated convert parents. Its so satisfying how he woke up and got out successfully, despite being one of the strong ones.
Its often the WT corruption that wakes the strong ones up, it certainly started the process with me - the way my family were treated by every BOE in all different halls we moved to trying to escape the bullying, made me realise it was an old boys club, that goes all the way up to the headquarters who also when we were begging them for help, treated us less than coldly, literally did nothing, just siding with corrupt elders just because they hold the title of elder.
I see SO many similarities in my own experience. Thanks for all the great work
Oh, the story of this sweet young man touched my heart. As the mother of a young man probably not that much older than Pedro, I was waiting and watching and holding my breath, wanting to know... does he still have contact with his mother? He obviously loves her dearly, and I know that there is nothing on this earth that would make me turn my back on my son. I’m a garden variety live-and-let-live Christian, but if Jesus Himself told me to shun my son? Well, I’d rather face hell with him than heaven without.
I really hope his mother left with him. Do you know?
Another riveting video, Fifth! Thank you, as always. I’m not sure how I found your channel, as I’m not an ex-JW, but I find the material fascinating and your style so loving and warm. Hugs from Michigan!
Thank you fifth for all the work you have done for the ex jw community. Your work is quality and a gift.
Wow!! This story of Pedro is now one of my favorite stories. A true crazy but good story. Much respect and mad props to you Pedro. You are truly a good person and a good dude and strong mentally and smart. You know what's up and I'm sorry that you got the cards you got from the watchtower and bethel. Sure there are many good people there but there are some bad people there as well and you are one of the best I've seen so far as the top dogs like Cliff as well. I don't know you guys but I love you guys and I would totally buy you guys lunch and a beer if I ever met you in person. These stories from all of you and from the channels keep my head up and keep me inspired to just move forward and keep working hard in life for myself and my family even though I'm not a jw anymore. Funny how the ex jw's make me want to be stronger in life and honest and better then when I was a jw. Ugh...I hated being a witness....I really hated it and was embarrassed to be one sad to say. Much love and respect to this channel and to you Pedro. A+++++
love you, too, homie. first round's on me whenever you're in nyc
Some birds ain’t meant to be caged!
FANTASTIC video, many thanks to you both!
Brilliant!
love your channel, bro. Been watching a while- Just wanted to let u know.
The guilt!!!!! The guilt!!!!! Oh, the memories!
It was always a never-ending treadmill of FOG.
Fear
Obligation
Guilt
Very good information… great interview and so much hope given for others .
great interview fifth
Good interview. Pedro should be happy he was blessed able to find a job and place to live right away. Most who leave bethel are not so fortunate. The side job and making normal connections scares WT because it means if you leave you'll likely be able to stand on your own, like a man,
Also, don't give up on college. There's still time.
“I don’t negotiate with kidnappers” BRILLIANT 🙌🏼
An excellent interview! Thank you very much both of you!
Gracias Fifth! These are becoming my favorite. Gracias Pedro your story is fascinating welcome to your freedom
Wow, they were REALLY trying to break this man’s spirit - they knew how smart he was and he became a threat to their wolf pack. His keystrokes probably only revealed that he was more intelligent than them😏. After that...he had to go✌🏽 Excellent interview!
Yes, so true, "company men" (i.e., obedient JW males in positions of power) detest younger JW males exhibiting any kind of intelligence and/or doctrinal curioisty. There is almost a, "How dare you!" mentality.
@@cpepservices1 what do they do in the military? they really like it when you do things on your own?
I took a tour with him several years ago when I was just waking up. He made a subtle comment/joke about the My Book of Bible Stories being full of bizarrely violent images for children and just as I was getting ready to cringe when a “worldly” woman and her grandchild joined the tour he changed the tone much to my relief. I fully woke up several months later and remember his remark about MBOBS and wondered if he was awake at that time. I’m delighted to see that he was! Congrats on your freedom Pedro!
My friend, this is your best video and interview I've seen. You have really great skill in interviewing people, and directing the conversation. Great experience Pedrito. The first thing that open my eyes and let me in road to wake up was exactly the same as him... Asking to be reinstated, and elders telling me not enough time had passed
Excellent interview!! Thanks.
One of the best interview i have ever seen....ohh where is he now ...wish i could talk to him
Great interview! All of your past videos are showing in my feed. 😅
A thoughtful interview, showing so clearly that thinkers have a tough time in JW organization. Thank you Fifth for letting your interviewees tell their stories. Another compelling story of a young intelligent Witness who realizes his religion of origin is a cult thst cannot withstand scrutiny.
Had to completely rewrite my comment because as I got later and later into the interview there were more and more interesting things. Two points that stick out; the bethel overseers were savage with Pedro. Reminds me of the old saying 'no good deed goes unpunished'; while others were pushing the JW-defined moral boundaries, Pedro was doing everything right, but because he appeared to not show 'absolute' loyalty he was blacklisted. While the others got away with their double lives.
The other point was about him seeing how well 'worldly' people treated him. This was one of the most upsetting realizations for me; when I realized people who had never heard of Jehovah, or were religious and didn't care for Watchtower, or had no particular belief in god, treated me way better than several Jdubs I had known. AND, a lot of them were more humane than I was as a person. That was devastating, because I really thought of myself as 'good', and wordly people as 'bad'. The lie got revealed and I was as mad as hell. Even to this day, dealing with the people I live around, sometimes it hurts to see how good people can be, my old deep-rooted beliefs get uprooted again and again. I thought I would have been over it now 10 years post-exit; but it still has an impact.
Thank you for another amazing video Fifth. You’re helping so many like myself to wake up from the lies we were raised to believe.
Wow simply an amazing story, thank you for sharing!
When I was a freshmen in high school we had a ‘mock’ election and (telling my age), one of the choices to vote for was Prohibition, I pulled that handle. 😁 The terror I felt for having participated it the mock election was terrible because I was afraid somehow my parents would find out. They didn’t, but I felt the anxiety for a long time.
Welcome to your freedom. I am happy that you both were able to break from the Watchtower. By the way it is still not too late to go to school and do something that you love. :)
I love these interviews with you guys who've seen the truth about how it all works at the 'top', very powerful! Thank you!
What a charming, kind, and intelligent young man.
Hey, I grew up and still live in Oregon! I also had an Oasis tour at the MET. I really enjoyed the tour.
the best guides were damn good. and always off-script
Great interview!! 👍
Great interview, freedom is such a great feeling
Your memories of accidentally doing "forbidden" things in elementary school reminded me of something funny: When I was in elementary school, students would always bring their own sandwiches for recess. I could see that some of my classmates would have jam sandwiches, but my mother never allowed jam on my school sandwiches. And I always figured the reason was that it was somehow un-Christian to have jam sandwiches at school! Because all the other things I could not do that everyone else did were always forbidden because they were "un-Christian". (Much later, I realized it was probably just because my mom thought jam sandwiches were sticky and messy...)
too much sugar! lol
Loved this interview. I tried to find Pedros website but it is no longer available. Is there another way to connect to him?
Genuinely compelling interview, well done.😇 People who are honorable, Biblically sound, walking away from the Organization makes Watchtower look bad. When one makes Watchtower look bad ( or there is professional jealously), one Will be crushed. They even try to paint ex-members as immoral, to justify their leaving.
You may both appreciate the work of Adrian McQueen, Even at the Doors. His academic, historically based review of prophecy is accurately researched and beautifully produced.