WOW!!! We have an abundance of cool new portable antennas hitting the market. I credit POTA/SOTA for much of the demand and supply of these little gems. And I am again impressed with Chameleon for both their innovations and quality manufacturing. It's exciting to see an American small business thrive. I'm sure that others will ask this question: would you do a comparison video of the CHA vs G Gabil antennas? And even more importantly, do any of them come with an extra supply of time with which to enjoy them? For me, the time component seems to be the limiting factor. Thx for another great video. Your excitement about the new products is palpable and infectious. Fun!
An extra supply of time...if only we could get that! Once they finish the first production and I get a unit back in hand, I'll do a comparison between the Chameleon and others; I can tell you now, nothing I have compares to the quality of the PRV they lent me for the review.
Thanks a lot for showing this new product! For serious SOTA activations, a low weight of the carried equipment is the #1 requirement. Therefore my first question concerns the weight for the whole antenna system, including the coax, radials, winder, etc. Therefore, it would be very interesting to know the total weight of your shown solution. BTW: I have not met a serious SOTA activator that uses PL or UHF connectors. Mainly because they have no defined impedance, are big, heavy and clumsy to use in the cold, compared to a BNC connector. Why do portable antenna manufactures still use these 90 year old connectors? It can't be the 4mm diameter socket that fits a banana plug... 73 Stephan
@@HOAHamRadio The CHA PRV will be base on a LEGO system like the CHA MPAS thus, more accessories and parts will be introduced over time! We already have 4 or 5 other parts in design as we speak! That will render the CHA PRV as versatile as the CHA MPAS 2.0!
At first glance, looks very similar to the Super Antenna brand, which I’ve never used but have heard good things about. Chameleon has a reputation of building rugged products and I own a bunch of it, including some very old chameleon stuff, which still comes in handy here. I like it. Take something that already works good and make it work good-er. I’ll buy one.
I think that's what you'll find with this, its "good-er". The quality is far superior to all my other coil antennas, and the power it will handle if far higher.
@@HOAHamRadio good deal. Thanks for the review. I’ll keep an eye on the website, but they usually send me an email when new stuff comes out. I’ll tell them I saw it on your channel.
Thanks Josh. Its typical Chameleon...looks great, has the feel of quality, and built with premium materials. Beefy it is; its a miniaturized SS-17. Appreciate you stopping by for a look.
It was only a matter of time before Chameleon was going to enter the resonant antenna market. This CHA coil will appeal to those willing to make a premium investment. The Wolf River Coil will continue to win on price point. Actually, the CHA coil appears to be a more rugged version of the SuperAntenna. Same sliding mechanism, although the outer delrin construction and power rating gives the CHA the advantage. Kudos to Chameleon for stepping up their game.
This looks like a great little antenna! Love how compact it is. And of course you get Chamleon's excellent quality and interchangeability - both great selling points!
Nice and compact, just the way I like it. I'm actually quite impressed with that new whip antenna, because the collapsed size is much shorter than I'm used to. With all things considered, this would make carry this kit in a small backpack quite doable. I hope you can test everything at QRP levels, because that's how I usually operate, especially when traveling. Thanks again and I hope to see more videos on this wonderful coil. 73's KN4MXZ 🙏🏿
I had to send the unit back to them as they complete the final production and prep. As soon as I get a first production unit in hand, I'll be doing many tests, comparisons, and vids
I purchased a Chameleon MPAS 2.0 to pair with my Lab599 TX-500 a few months ago. However this new antenna system also looks mighty interesting! I'm going to keep an eye out for reviews on it after everyone puts it though its paces!
This is certainly the best execution of this idea that I’ve ever seen. Very elegant. Not totally unexpected since their loop antennas are the bomb and the quality of their CHA line is top notch.
I own multiple coil antennas and it pained me to have to send this one back while they finalize everything. I like all my coil antennas, but none of them compare to the Chameleon quality.
@@HOAHamRadioyou need to check out the REZ Antenna Systems Ranger 80. It came out a couple months ago and is built like a tank. It seems Chameleon took a page from their book with the radial puck.
Hello! This coil is interesting, now one can buy it instead of the wolf river coils or all the other variants. I have a suggestion that maybe you could take to chameleon: add some marks to the coil to show where (more or less) the antenna will be resonant. Just like the MC-750 does. We all know that depending on soil conductivity this changes, but just as initial reference. Also, not regarding this antenna kit: the ss17, make a version of it painted in green. Oh god, it’s incredible the amount of attention a metallic whip gets in the park. If I had of one these in green it would help so much. Also, sell the ss17 with stickers so we can mark the resonant points when we use it with some radials for a 6-20 meters antenna. 73
Pretty cool! Good to see chameleon work on something new. Their puck is a pretty obvious ripoff of the REZ antenna puck. But really, how many ways can you make a round piece of aluminum with banana plug holes? So it’s understandable.
Spot on. I own several coil antennas, they all send and capture HF; none compare in quality to the Chameleon. More vids to come once I get a first production unit in hand.
Great video Bob! Very cool that you got the first look at it. Chameleon has always produced top notch quality in their products and I don't doubt that this will be to that same standard. We need to catch up, it has been awhile. 73 Bob WV7W
An inductor will offset capacitance if an antenna is short. A 17’ whip can be “loaded” to work on lower bands but even if the antenna is resonant the gain can be severely affected. Your ohmic losses will be greater.
Very good video .My first thought here we go this looks like a Wolf River set up and there we go. Your antenna test proved I was right. The only issue I have if you want to change bands you need to go to the antenna and adjust using the analyser helps. I believe this Cha-Coil will last longer in use than the Wolf River version The Cha has the outer cover protectecting the coil from any mishaps during transportation... Thank you. Keith M0KLL in Sunderland England....
Congratulations on the new x6100. Have you seen the firmware that can be loaded onto a sd card, installed physically into the radio and when you turn it on it runs differently? I put it on an as card a few weeks ago to try it on my x6100 and really like it. If you’re interested search TH-cam and give it a shot. It’s pretty cool. Love your videos.
Thanks for watching the channel @CplStiggs. I don't own the X6100 but it is on my wish list when the budget allows. It certainly has some desirable features.
The antenna is meant to be used resonant, so I've never tried it. You could use the 3 to 1 internal tuner to do what you suggest, you would just lose some efficiency.
I was hoping Chameleon would improve on the original SuperAntenna with some form of band indication marks on the coil, but it seems they concentrated on slightly better materials instead.
I’m sure I will buy this at some point but the 17ft whip does 20m-6m on its own very well and a bit more efficient than coil loading. This new system will be smaller though.
Well this was somewhat expected. REZ put out an incredible product. If CHA comes out under the 525 REZ price point for an entire package, it'll definitely be a conpelling option. CHA does also have the superior (assumption) manufacturing capacity over REZ. All for small business personally but kudos to CHA for continuing innovation targeting more the amateur customer base!
It’s funny that everyone talks about REZ as we’ve been working on the product for more than TWO years already! REZ are the one who took our feeding system from tour CHA HYBRID SERIES (base section) which exist since about 10 to 12 years already. The radial puck system was already somewhere online about two years ago but I can’t recall where. It was just the obvious way of getting portable radials to the next level.
I would love to see this on an antenna shoot-out. Hams used to do that to test actual radiation performance. It would be a great indicator of antenna performance. SWR doesn't tell the entire story.
Very true statement. I do like to pole individuals with this suggestion; what do you think is the best method to do this "shoot-out", i.e., specifically, what method / process etc. Thanks for the view and comment.
Yes - with the basic kit which will include the 58” collapsible whip antenna you’ll cover everything between 2M and 60M. To obtain 80M you’ll need the SS-17 and we might introduce a loading coil for it later on.
I'm sure this will be covered in details once the specs are on the website, and the user manual is complete. Chameleon has commented elsewhere "500W SSB 250W to 300W CW"
After seeing this in the first minutes, the Gabil GRA-7350T antenna came to mind. Looks very clean. I can't wait to get my hands on one and especially a puck.
Tuning and using is quite similar and they are both going to send and receive RF. Quality and durability? Hands down, Chameleon. Doesn't mean I don't like my Gabil, but its not really a fair comparison. More on this once I get a production unit and can do more video tests / comparisons.
It is officially for sale. They have sold out their first production runs but it appears they are taking backorders. chameleonantenna.com/shop-here/ols/products/cha-mcc
A “lite” version would be welcomed for those that truly want a backpack-able system for SOTA and qrp. The spike is nice as I have one with my mpas2 lite but hasn’t seen dirt, but I suspect it is extra weight for those lugging equipment to the tops of mountains.
I wonder what the kit weight will be. It sort of looks more like a car portable antenna than a pack/sota antenna. Which isn't a bad thing -- pack portable antennas tend to have concessions on durability and ease of use.
Dude you need to smile once in a while. Can I order the kit without the spike as I already have it. It came with the Cha 2.0. Respectfully MM1(SW) David P. Gill USN Ret. N6PGG/7
White Delrin which is THE BEST material for that kind of product. Yes - it's MORE expansive than PVC, ABS or Home Depot Schedule 40 plumbing pipes BUT it's will offer an unparalleled core support for the loading core. Delrin has outstanding fatigue resistance, almost indefinitely withstanding cyclic compressive/tensile stressing 5,000 psi. Delrin does not permanently deform or retain dents, and has good impact toughness. Delrin does not use plasticizing for toughness: and so does not become brittle at low temperatures. An excellent dielectric, Delrin has remarkably low dissipation factors and dielectric constants over a wide range of frequencies and temperatures. Delrin retains good electrical properties in high humidity and even during complete immersion in water.
Nicely done video, Bob. This looks very interesting and it looks like Carl and Chameleon have another winner. While I believe I have a preference for my MPAS 2 for fixed and portable locations since I don't have to go to the antenna to QSY, I see some real benefits of this new "Bob's Your Uncle" system (how's that for a name??) A couple of key issues: hopefully, the final product will have numbering on the coil for fast adjustments when QSY. With regard to both this new Chameleon system and also the coil antenna you reviewed a few weeks ago: is there a way to attach a standard stainless steel whip-like is used on the MFJ, etc. single band cheapie antennas? The reason I ask is that I'm currently using a Wolf River Coils Silver Bullet Mini as my HF mobile antenna with a separately purchased 58-inch stainless steel whip. This works very well but it is a pain in the ass to adjust precisely when QSY - even with Sharpie marker indicators. (I partly solved this problem by using my Elecraft T-1 tuner with the WRC and my ICOM 705 in the car.) If Carl at Chameleon is reading these comments for this review, I would whisper to him to make the package work as a mobile antenna by allowing a stainless steel whip to be used as a stinger since the included adjustable whip probably will not be durable enough for mobile use at 75 miles an hour and all those low hanging branches at lower speeds. Thanks again, Bob for the great reveal! -.- ...-- .-. .-. .-. 73 de Robert K3RRR Twitter: @K3TripleR TH-cam.com/K3RRR Website: K3RRR.com -.- ...-- .-. .-. .-.
Marking the coil will be a VERY hard task because inductance will vary depending of antenna installation method: SPIKE MOUNT, UCM, Tripod, Jawmount and others. It will also depend of the RF ground quality: 1, 4 or 6 counterpoises, elevated or not, soil conductivity, etc... But that being said - we're thinking about an universal way of measuring the tuning coil position so all users would be able to understand where they need to position the coil for THERE personal needs and NOT on standardized needs. We also have stingers (thousands of them) that will be offered to either be used as radiator or as counterpoise (with a special adapter) for those who can't extend a 33' long counterpoise.
@@Chameleon_Antenna Thanks for the response… Carl sent me the MPAS 2 (along with several other antennas over the years)… For the past 12 months, I have been using the MPAS 2 as a vertical on my second-story balcony with just one counterpoise that was included in the kit. It has withstood the weather well and performed almost as well as my 67 foot 40-10 EFHW that slopes up to 50 feet. MPAS 2 is a GREAT antenna in my opinion! With regard to the new antenna, all the factors that you mentioned will come into play. However, the easy approach that other companies are using is just to print the number on the coil. Even though it is an arbitrary linear sequence of numbers, the customer will be able to know that for a particular setup, (e.g., 17m is always close to 24 on the scale.) This is something that's missing on my Wolf River Coils Silver Bullet Mini. Best of luck with your rollout of this new antenna and give my best regards to Carl! Robert -.- ...-- .-. .-. .-. 73 de Robert K3RRR Twitter: @K3TripleR TH-cam.com/K3RRR Website: K3RRR.com -.- ...-- .-. .-. .-.
The JNCRADIO MC-750 behave very much like our CHA MPAS 2.0. Chelegance is made in China while Chameleon Antenna is made in the USA. IN other words - the Chelegance is a Chinese rip off of the CHA MPAS 2.0.
@@Chameleon_Antenna Yes - I was thinking of something simple/quick/dirty, better than sharpie/masking-tape but not requiring an engineered change. Assume user already has their config set up by band. While in field they have basic minimum and need to get on the air quickly w/o to much screwing around. that idea.
Yes - it's possible! If you do so you'll need to be stationary (not moving and then you'll need to electrically ground the base of the CHA PRV to your vehicle chassis with a SHORT wire equipped with alligator clips and position the PRV in the middle of the rooftop.
I own the full Super Antenna kit and paid the Amazon price of $599. I think people will want to know how the PRV compares to multiple coil antennas, and fortunately, I own several and will be able to share some details for consideration. Thanks for stopping by the channel and taking a look.
If you really pay attention - it’s not the same thing at all! Look at the materials used, the feed point, the radial system, the thickness of the telescopic whip ( it’s larger) because we’re designing a portable cap-hat that will clip at the tip of it to increase efficiency, PTFE wire, SPIKE MOUNT system, etc… and the price will either be equal or less than the MP1 - oh and all made in the USA while the Super Antenna is made in China!
@@Chameleon_Antenna love my MPAS 2.0 it greatly exceed my expectations, especially how quiet and good it is on receive. This new screwdriver looks great and what would be absolutely amazing would be a motorised remote unit ! That would be amazing especially one fully weather resistant 😊
This is K2APA. QUESTION: Could this specific antenna , when an available , be used as a mobile on a lip mount on a vehicle. I presently have an electrically adjustable screwdriver antenna on a 3/8 - 24 mount installed on the hatch of a Chevrolet Suburban. The antenna that you are testing on this video looks and may be the same concept of a screwdriver except for being simpler , smaller and not prone to go bad on the adjusting motor , plus the fact that it can be part of a bug out pack in an emergency where the vehicle is no longer usable. If a reply is possible , it would be appreciated.
@andrewb9276 I had to send this one back as they finalized the program; once I get my hands on a first production unit I'll be doing several videos with different antennas and comparisons.
Did they have an idea of the price point for the kit? For the antenna the way that they started the whip to make it even heavier makes sense. I was on their website today and immediately a pop-up was there for military orders so they are looking to that market and it has to be extra heavy duty not just ham duty.
Yes, Chameleon uses premium materials and quality for long lasting performance and durability, and that is what they are known for. They didn't share any pricing information with me, but I suspect comparable to similar systems on their site.
WOW!!! We have an abundance of cool new portable antennas hitting the market. I credit POTA/SOTA for much of the demand and supply of these little gems. And I am again impressed with Chameleon for both their innovations and quality manufacturing. It's exciting to see an American small business thrive.
I'm sure that others will ask this question: would you do a comparison video of the CHA vs G Gabil antennas? And even more importantly, do any of them come with an extra supply of time with which to enjoy them? For me, the time component seems to be the limiting factor.
Thx for another great video. Your excitement about the new products is palpable and infectious. Fun!
An extra supply of time...if only we could get that! Once they finish the first production and I get a unit back in hand, I'll do a comparison between the Chameleon and others; I can tell you now, nothing I have compares to the quality of the PRV they lent me for the review.
Awesome video Bob…. I just ordered the antenna. Can’t wait to play radio with it.
Thanks for the view and feedback. Hope you enjoy the PRV as much as I do.
Thanks a lot for showing this new product!
For serious SOTA activations, a low weight of the carried equipment is the #1 requirement. Therefore my first question concerns the weight for the whole antenna system, including the coax, radials, winder, etc. Therefore, it would be very interesting to know the total weight of your shown solution.
BTW: I have not met a serious SOTA activator that uses PL or UHF connectors. Mainly because they have no defined impedance, are big, heavy and clumsy to use in the cold, compared to a BNC connector. Why do portable antenna manufactures still use these 90 year old connectors? It can't be the 4mm diameter socket that fits a banana plug...
73 Stephan
The buddistick pro has a BNC connector and a wider wound coil so more efficient. But for me, SOTA will be a PackTenna EFHW every time.
@@503Nick Thanks for the info! Every ham has different requirements, which is why one size fits doesn't work with our hobby.
You can put a BNC adapter and one of our RG-316 with integrated choke to cut the weight by about 3/4++
@@Chameleon_Antenna Sorry, but an additional BNC adapter doesn't lower the weight...
Phenomenal presentation!
Phenomenal product, thrilled to be part of the introduction!
@@HOAHamRadio The CHA PRV will be base on a LEGO system like the CHA MPAS thus, more accessories and parts will be introduced over time! We already have 4 or 5 other parts in design as we speak! That will render the CHA PRV as versatile as the CHA MPAS 2.0!
Thank you Bob. Nicely done vid and you have helped me make up my mind.
My pleasure, hope you found it helpful.
Can’t wait to get one! Thanks for the review!
I had a blast with it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
At first glance, looks very similar to the Super Antenna brand, which I’ve never used but have heard good things about. Chameleon has a reputation of building rugged products and I own a bunch of it, including some very old chameleon stuff, which still comes in handy here. I like it. Take something that already works good and make it work good-er. I’ll buy one.
I think that's what you'll find with this, its "good-er". The quality is far superior to all my other coil antennas, and the power it will handle if far higher.
@@HOAHamRadio good deal. Thanks for the review. I’ll keep an eye on the website, but they usually send me an email when new stuff comes out. I’ll tell them I saw it on your channel.
Great video Bob. Thanks for posting. Looking forward to this new antenna.
Thanks for the view and comment, appreciate you watching @jimhinds7392
Great job! Loving the look of the whole kit! That telescopic whip looks beefy!
Thanks Josh. Its typical Chameleon...looks great, has the feel of quality, and built with premium materials. Beefy it is; its a miniaturized SS-17. Appreciate you stopping by for a look.
It was only a matter of time before Chameleon was going to enter the resonant antenna market. This CHA coil will appeal to those willing to make a premium investment. The Wolf River Coil will continue to win on price point. Actually, the CHA coil appears to be a more rugged version of the SuperAntenna. Same sliding mechanism, although the outer delrin construction and power rating gives the CHA the advantage. Kudos to Chameleon for stepping up their game.
I think many were hoping this day would come...Chameleon quality in a coil antenna.
@@HOAHamRadio now I have to sell some stuff to afford this thing. LOL
This looks like a great little antenna! Love how compact it is. And of course you get Chamleon's excellent quality and interchangeability - both great selling points!
Should be released soon. Can't wait to get one back in my hands again.
High quality, as I've come to expect from Chameleon. Thanks for your review.
Exactly, the quality is far superior to all my other coil antennas. Thanks for watching.
Nice and compact, just the way I like it. I'm actually quite impressed with that new whip antenna, because the collapsed size is much shorter than I'm used to. With all things considered, this would make carry this kit in a small backpack quite doable. I hope you can test everything at QRP levels, because that's how I usually operate, especially when traveling. Thanks again and I hope to see more videos on this wonderful coil. 73's KN4MXZ 🙏🏿
I had to send the unit back to them as they complete the final production and prep. As soon as I get a first production unit in hand, I'll be doing many tests, comparisons, and vids
@@HOAHamRadio Thank you.
Thanks for the review, Bob. I look forward to purchasing one for myself in the near future. 73.
This review was a lot of fun; thanks for watching and commenting.
Very exciting news
Indeed. Seems there has been some pent up demand for this.
I can't wait to add this to my Chameleon antenna collection!
I think there is now a long line of us.....
I purchased a Chameleon MPAS 2.0 to pair with my Lab599 TX-500 a few months ago. However this new antenna system also looks mighty interesting! I'm going to keep an eye out for reviews on it after everyone puts it though its paces!
I am pretty sure it will get some press shortly after release; first adapters will give it a go and let you know.
Great review!! Thanks for sharing the information.
My pleasure indeed! Thanks for watching.
This is certainly the best execution of this idea that I’ve ever seen. Very elegant. Not totally unexpected since their loop antennas are the bomb and the quality of their CHA line is top notch.
I own multiple coil antennas and it pained me to have to send this one back while they finalize everything. I like all my coil antennas, but none of them compare to the Chameleon quality.
@@HOAHamRadioyou need to check out the REZ Antenna Systems Ranger 80. It came out a couple months ago and is built like a tank. It seems Chameleon took a page from their book with the radial puck.
Hello! This coil is interesting, now one can buy it instead of the wolf river coils or all the other variants. I have a suggestion that maybe you could take to chameleon: add some marks to the coil to show where (more or less) the antenna will be resonant. Just like the MC-750 does. We all know that depending on soil conductivity this changes, but just as initial reference.
Also, not regarding this antenna kit: the ss17, make a version of it painted in green. Oh god, it’s incredible the amount of attention a metallic whip gets in the park. If I had of one these in green it would help so much. Also, sell the ss17 with stickers so we can mark the resonant points when we use it with some radials for a 6-20 meters antenna.
73
Thanks for view, comment, and suggestions. I suspect all comments will be viewed and considered.
That is some good looking gear!
You should see it close up and touch it. Almost cried when I had to send it back.
@HOAHamRadio in the video I didn't here the guy say you had to bring it back...
@@temporarilyoffline That clip fell to the floor...I was in denial. It went back to them earlier this week; sad day.
@@HOAHamRadio booo!
@@temporarilyoffline Yeah - it had to be sent back as we only have 2 to 3 FULLY functional units at the moment...
Will be waiting for the notification from Chameleon and the price point. Great video Bob ! de N4WRW Vero Beach, FL
Thanks for watching and the positive feedback.
The unit is back in stock. Look for the CHA MCC
Pretty cool! Good to see chameleon work on something new.
Their puck is a pretty obvious ripoff of the REZ antenna puck. But really, how many ways can you make a round piece of aluminum with banana plug holes? So it’s understandable.
It is "pretty cool" indeed, and I hear rumor they are working other things new. Hope to have the opportunity to show more off in the future.
Looks like Chameleon quality and engineering throughout!
Spot on. I own several coil antennas, they all send and capture HF; none compare in quality to the Chameleon. More vids to come once I get a first production unit in hand.
haven't watched one of your vids in a while... I could have sworn i had the bell on but it shows off. anyway, got it fixed.
Glad to have you watching again, especially with some of the exciting stuff that has come my way recently.
Great video Bob! Very cool that you got the first look at it. Chameleon has always produced top notch quality in their products and I don't doubt that this will be to that same standard.
We need to catch up, it has been awhile.
73
Bob
WV7W
I definitely feel privileged they brought me in on this. Thanks for the view and comment Bob.
An inductor will offset capacitance if an antenna is short. A 17’ whip can be “loaded” to work on lower bands but even if the antenna is resonant the gain can be severely affected. Your ohmic losses will be greater.
Thanks for the video. I wonder if you replaced the Telescoping antenna with a Long wire if it would work on 80 or 160. ? would be nice if it did.
Yes, it absolutely would. Just swapping one radiating element for another. Would be something fun to demonstrate.
Very good video .My first thought here we go this looks like a Wolf River set up and there we go. Your antenna test proved I was right. The only issue I have if you want to change bands you need to go to the antenna and adjust using the analyser helps. I believe this Cha-Coil will last longer in use than the Wolf River version The Cha has the outer cover protectecting the coil from any mishaps during transportation... Thank you. Keith M0KLL in Sunderland England....
Thanks for jumping in from England, watching and commenting!
Wowzers ! Sign me up !
You're gonna like it!
Congratulations on the new x6100. Have you seen the firmware that can be loaded onto a sd card, installed physically into the radio and when you turn it on it runs differently? I put it on an as card a few weeks ago to try it on my x6100 and really like it. If you’re interested search TH-cam and give it a shot. It’s pretty cool. Love your videos.
Thanks for watching the channel @CplStiggs. I don't own the X6100 but it is on my wish list when the budget allows. It certainly has some desirable features.
Could you use the ATU in your 7300 to tune it if you wanted to from inside the house or are you stuck on one band?
The antenna is meant to be used resonant, so I've never tried it. You could use the 3 to 1 internal tuner to do what you suggest, you would just lose some efficiency.
is there a way to center load the coil (as opposed to base load)?
I was hoping Chameleon would improve on the original SuperAntenna with some form of band indication marks on the coil, but it seems they concentrated on slightly better materials instead.
Defiantly a focus on high quality materials.
This system will improve over time with great accessories!
What I would like to see is a side by side comparison of the new antenna against the MPAS lite. Being resonant it should do better
I'll get more vids out on this once I get a production antenna in hands; thanks for the suggestion.
I’m sure I will buy this at some point but the 17ft whip does 20m-6m on its own very well and a bit more efficient than coil loading. This new system will be smaller though.
Thanks as always for the view and comment @forgetyourlife. Everything is a trade off isn't it--lets us fit the gear to a specific need / use.
Very nice
Thanks for stopping by and watching.
Well this was somewhat expected. REZ put out an incredible product. If CHA comes out under the 525 REZ price point for an entire package, it'll definitely be a conpelling option. CHA does also have the superior (assumption) manufacturing capacity over REZ. All for small business personally but kudos to CHA for continuing innovation targeting more the amateur customer base!
It’s funny that everyone talks about REZ as we’ve been working on the product for more than TWO years already! REZ are the one who took our feeding system from tour CHA HYBRID SERIES (base section) which exist since about 10 to 12 years already. The radial puck system was already somewhere online about two years ago but I can’t recall where. It was just the obvious way of getting portable radials to the next level.
I forgot to add that REZ also stole our CHA SPIKE MOUNT system. Just saying…
I would love to see this on an antenna shoot-out. Hams used to do that to test actual radiation performance. It would be a great indicator of antenna performance. SWR doesn't tell the entire story.
Very true statement. I do like to pole individuals with this suggestion; what do you think is the best method to do this "shoot-out", i.e., specifically, what method / process etc. Thanks for the view and comment.
Antenna shoot-out doesn’t mean anything really! A McLaren will do o to 100 under few seconds on a racing track - try that off road!
Does this tune 40/60 and 80 meters well? Is it efficient on the low Bands? I only operate the low bands.
Yes - with the basic kit which will include the 58” collapsible whip antenna you’ll cover everything between 2M and 60M. To obtain 80M you’ll need the SS-17 and we might introduce a loading coil for it later on.
If you like to use the lower bands mainly for NVIS, a vertical antenna will be always way inferior compared to a horizontal one.
What is the power handling capabilities? Maximum power level for extended FT8 use?
I'm sure this will be covered in details once the specs are on the website, and the user manual is complete. Chameleon has commented elsewhere "500W SSB 250W to 300W CW"
How does this compare to the Grabil for easy of tuning etc?
After seeing this in the first minutes, the Gabil GRA-7350T antenna came to mind. Looks very clean. I can't wait to get my hands on one and especially a puck.
Tuning and using is quite similar and they are both going to send and receive RF. Quality and durability? Hands down, Chameleon. Doesn't mean I don't like my Gabil, but its not really a fair comparison. More on this once I get a production unit and can do more video tests / comparisons.
Is it available yet? I can’t find it on the website.
It is officially for sale. They have sold out their first production runs but it appears they are taking backorders. chameleonantenna.com/shop-here/ols/products/cha-mcc
YES - look CHA MCC
Any info on what the price will be?
Estimates are the following:
Basic Kit TBD = $370
Full Kit TBD = $650
The composition of each aren't final yet.
Looks good! Any details on power ratings for it on SSB/CW/digital?
Correction ot my original reply: Per Chameleon, 500W SSB 250W to 300W CW
@@HOAHamRadio 500W SSB 250W to 300W CW/DATA
A “lite” version would be welcomed for those that truly want a backpack-able system for SOTA and qrp. The spike is nice as I have one with my mpas2 lite but hasn’t seen dirt, but I suspect it is extra weight for those lugging equipment to the tops of mountains.
I wonder what the kit weight will be. It sort of looks more like a car portable antenna than a pack/sota antenna. Which isn't a bad thing -- pack portable antennas tend to have concessions on durability and ease of use.
Thanks for watching and offering your thoughts.
Dude you need to smile once in a while.
Can I order the kit without the spike as I already have it. It came with the Cha 2.0.
Respectfully
MM1(SW) David P. Gill USN Ret. N6PGG/7
I don't know the exact configurations, but Chameleon will let us know shortly : )
Yes - you can get the CHA MCC (coil only) and build your own antenna.
Is the coil wound around PVC or another composite material?
White Delrin which is THE BEST material for that kind of product. Yes - it's MORE expansive than PVC, ABS or Home Depot Schedule 40 plumbing pipes BUT it's will offer an unparalleled core support for the loading core. Delrin has outstanding fatigue resistance, almost indefinitely withstanding cyclic compressive/tensile stressing 5,000 psi. Delrin does not permanently deform or retain dents, and has good impact toughness. Delrin does not use plasticizing for toughness: and so does not become brittle at low temperatures. An excellent dielectric, Delrin has remarkably low dissipation factors and dielectric constants over a wide range of frequencies and temperatures. Delrin retains good electrical properties in high humidity and even during complete immersion in water.
Nicely done video, Bob. This looks very interesting and it looks like Carl and Chameleon have another winner. While I believe I have a preference for my MPAS 2 for fixed and portable locations since I don't have to go to the antenna to QSY, I see some real benefits of this new "Bob's Your Uncle" system (how's that for a name??)
A couple of key issues: hopefully, the final product will have numbering on the coil for fast adjustments when QSY.
With regard to both this new Chameleon system and also the coil antenna you reviewed a few weeks ago: is there a way to attach a standard stainless steel whip-like is used on the MFJ, etc. single band cheapie antennas?
The reason I ask is that I'm currently using a Wolf River Coils Silver Bullet Mini as my HF mobile antenna with a separately purchased 58-inch stainless steel whip. This works very well but it is a pain in the ass to adjust precisely when QSY - even with Sharpie marker indicators. (I partly solved this problem by using my Elecraft T-1 tuner with the WRC and my ICOM 705 in the car.)
If Carl at Chameleon is reading these comments for this review, I would whisper to him to make the package work as a mobile antenna by allowing a stainless steel whip to be used as a stinger since the included adjustable whip probably will not be durable enough for mobile use at 75 miles an hour and all those low hanging branches at lower speeds.
Thanks again, Bob for the great reveal!
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Marking the coil will be a VERY hard task because inductance will vary depending of antenna installation method: SPIKE MOUNT, UCM, Tripod, Jawmount and others. It will also depend of the RF ground quality: 1, 4 or 6 counterpoises, elevated or not, soil conductivity, etc... But that being said - we're thinking about an universal way of measuring the tuning coil position so all users would be able to understand where they need to position the coil for THERE personal needs and NOT on standardized needs.
We also have stingers (thousands of them) that will be offered to either be used as radiator or as counterpoise (with a special adapter) for those who can't extend a 33' long counterpoise.
@@Chameleon_Antenna Thanks for the response… Carl sent me the MPAS 2 (along with several other antennas over the years)… For the past 12 months, I have been using the MPAS 2 as a vertical on my second-story balcony with just one counterpoise that was included in the kit.
It has withstood the weather well and performed almost as well as my 67 foot 40-10 EFHW that slopes up to 50 feet. MPAS 2 is a GREAT antenna in my opinion!
With regard to the new antenna, all the factors that you mentioned will come into play. However, the easy approach that other companies are using is just to print the number on the coil. Even though it is an arbitrary linear sequence of numbers, the customer will be able to know that for a particular setup, (e.g., 17m is always close to 24 on the scale.) This is something that's missing on my Wolf River Coils Silver Bullet Mini.
Best of luck with your rollout of this new antenna and give my best regards to Carl!
Robert
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@@ChiefImpeMentor This is exactly what we're looking at but we aren't sure how to achieve it at a reasonable cost at the moment.
Looks very interesting. On my wish list. Would like to see a comparison between this and the JNCRADIO MC-750.
The JNCRADIO MC-750 behave very much like our CHA MPAS 2.0. Chelegance is made in China while Chameleon Antenna is made in the USA. IN other words - the Chelegance is a Chinese rip off of the CHA MPAS 2.0.
Would be nice to mark where antenna becomes resonant by band range
This is something that will vary with location and installation. Each users will have to be keep note of what is working for them.
@@Chameleon_Antenna Yes - I was thinking of something simple/quick/dirty, better than sharpie/masking-tape but not requiring an engineered change. Assume user already has their config set up by band. While in field they have basic minimum and need to get on the air quickly w/o to much screwing around. that idea.
@@bobkelland7769 We're currently putting together a VERY comprehensive user guide that will eliminate tuning frustration and precious time wasting!
@@Chameleon_Antenna ETA on when this will be available ?
Should be early to mid August @hamradiobasics
Time to sell my Wolf River and patiently wait for the 'PRV'...Thanks for the video!
We'll be more than happy to sell you one! In about 4 weeks or so - we'll have 300 units ready to go!
The unit is back in stock!
OK I'm SOLD, soooo W H E N can I get one? and How much $$$$$ thanks for well done review, 73, W7DOK
I believe early to mid August the kits will be ready.
The CHA PRV / CHA MCC is back in stock!
Stupid noob question time...what about using a car magnetic mount and a vehicle hood to do away with radials?
Yes - it's possible! If you do so you'll need to be stationary (not moving and then you'll need to electrically ground the base of the CHA PRV to your vehicle chassis with a SHORT wire equipped with alligator clips and position the PRV in the middle of the rooftop.
Pretty obvious rip-off of the MP1 Super Antenna. In true Chameleon fashion I'd expect this to be 2-3x the price of the MP1.
I own the full Super Antenna kit and paid the Amazon price of $599. I think people will want to know how the PRV compares to multiple coil antennas, and fortunately, I own several and will be able to share some details for consideration. Thanks for stopping by the channel and taking a look.
If you really pay attention - it’s not the same thing at all! Look at the materials used, the feed point, the radial system, the thickness of the telescopic whip ( it’s larger) because we’re designing a portable cap-hat that will clip at the tip of it to increase efficiency, PTFE wire, SPIKE MOUNT system, etc… and the price will either be equal or less than the MP1 - oh and all made in the USA while the Super Antenna is made in China!
@@Chameleon_Antenna love my MPAS 2.0 it greatly exceed my expectations, especially how quiet and good it is on receive.
This new screwdriver looks great and what would be absolutely amazing would be a motorised remote unit ! That would be amazing especially one fully weather resistant 😊
Add a motor and you can call it a Tarheel
@@hamateurradio82 a remote portable screwdriver would sell like hot cakes.
This is K2APA. QUESTION: Could this specific antenna , when an available , be used as a mobile on a lip mount on a vehicle. I presently have an electrically adjustable screwdriver antenna on a 3/8 - 24 mount installed on the hatch of a Chevrolet Suburban. The antenna that you are testing on this video looks and may be the same concept of a screwdriver except for being simpler , smaller and not prone to go bad on the adjusting motor , plus the fact that it can be part of a bug out pack in an emergency where the vehicle is no longer usable. If a reply is possible , it would be appreciated.
Thanks for watching K2APA. Chameleon has stated it is not designed to be used on a moving vehicle. Stationary yes, moving no.
Looks like a high quality product.
It is amazing quality; they are finishing production / kitting and should be shipping this month. Can wait to get mine.
Nice complete review! Well done. And congrats on the sweet antenna. Thanks!
Thanks for viewing and commenting, can't wait to get my hands on the first production run.
Please test it with the ss17 as well as the new short whip. Nice video 73 de KF6LU
@andrewb9276 I had to send this one back as they finalized the program; once I get my hands on a first production unit I'll be doing several videos with different antennas and comparisons.
Did they have an idea of the price point for the kit? For the antenna the way that they started the whip to make it even heavier makes sense. I was on their website today and immediately a pop-up was there for military orders so they are looking to that market and it has to be extra heavy duty not just ham duty.
Yes, Chameleon uses premium materials and quality for long lasting performance and durability, and that is what they are known for. They didn't share any pricing information with me, but I suspect comparable to similar systems on their site.
Chameleon has really done a fantastic job here Bob. Excellent review and I can't wait until they are available !
How many antennas does one need? At least one more, the CHA PRV!
@@HOAHamRadio Always one more Bob !
Getting to test out these new antennas before everyone else looks pretty cool!
Why yes it was...I feel quite lucky to have been part of the intro.