one of those announcers didn't know who Katelyn Tuohy was at all. he kept messing up her name and asked if she was from Saratoga Springs. should really have prepped a little more.
In brief comments immediately after the race KT said something like she didn't feel 100% and she had a bad day. That's crazy. She only ran the ninth fastest collegiate indoor 5K of all time and the second fastest collegiate 5k of 2022 indoor or outdoor. And you know who ran the fastest (15:14 at the Virginia Challenge in May). In other words, this was a stellar performance any way you look at it. Why would she be disappointed? This was spectacular. Because she didn't break Sisson's record (15:12.22)? Wait.
The whole narrative was kinda weird, talk about going under 15' FOR THIS RACE, she broke her indoor PB by 15" she wanted to break it by 30"? yikes. I have played sports and played well on days I felt like crap beforehand and the opposite has happened too, maybe she was just missing that adreniline rush. So, dumb question: was this set up for the collegians? that is, having Emma Coburn pace them out deliberately for that NCAA record attempt? Redenfels had to take the race of course b/c it was her home track. (so she just took advantage of the pacers + Tuohy lead?)
I saw this on another podcast this morning: A very useful summary. I wish I could cite the poster. KATELYN'S PHENOMENAL 2022 - finished 1st or 2nd in all track races, undefeated whole cross country season, 2 national runner-up title, 2 national individual champion title, 1 team champion title i5000m acc champion i3000m national runner-up i5000m national runner-up 1500m raleigh relays champ 5000m virginia challenge champ 4x1500m penn relays runner-up 5000m acc runner-up 1500m acc champion 5000m national champion 5k joe piane champ 6k nuttycombe invite champ 6k acc cross country champion 6k southeast regiona champion 6k national cross country champion i5000m boston opener runner-up top 7 all-time 1500m 4:06 top 8 all-time 5000m 15:14 top 9 all-time i5000m 15:15 joe piane course record 15:50 panorama farms course record 19:08 osu course record 19:27
@@Robertjames525 good point. I bought a month just for nuttycombe. I imagine they'd do pretty well with youtube revenue if they would release it all. Especially the tuohy stuff of course like nike nxn.
What a great race. You could tell that Tuohy was a bit off, like she never found her stride. She said that she had an off day and wasn't feeling well. Tremendous effort and drive regardless. I love her tenacity to never settle for anything less than her best. I can't wait to see what she does going forward.
After what she did at the Cross-Country Championships (although 2 weeks ago) I don't blame her for any race she doesn't think she did her best. Natalie Cook did great also...... What is the age of the winner?
Elite athletes are a whole different level from collegians. There are a good number of elite women (including at least one American) who can run this distance in the 14:30 range. Tuohy is a gifted collegiate athlete, but she’s not at the elite level. She has a good chance getting there in a few years, but there are also other excellent collegiate athletes and upcoming high school girls who are right on her heels. As a former distance runner (who never came close to making the elite level) I’m just happy to see such a large field of upcoming talented women distance runners. Now if we could just have the same thing happen with the men it would be really great.
she kind of hit a wall there at the frontrunner speed, but kind of crazy she was able to rally and put in another kick, Against a pro too for 2nd, although - with the exception of Redenfels on her home track - they didn't seem to concerned about letting the collegians shine maybe just getting some work in for themselves.
@@TheJhtlag absolutely, if you notice before tuohy kicked she kept looking down and was out of form, i knew she was tired and still kicked enough to take second, she’s so tough and gives it her all no matter how’s she’s feeling that day and that’s one of the main reasons why i and many people respect her, stay tuned!!🤘💪
As we all saw during the Olympics, they pick the worst commentators and the worst producers (the guy who says, "Now show camera #6 to the viewers.") and assign them to track and field.
Great outing by KT against the pros! It good drama to see her struggle and actually look like she had to work. She's got a taste of the next level and she's right in the mix! It will be exciting to watch her own bar even higher, good stuff!
Those upset that the focus wasn't on the winner obviously didn't watch the race, the camera was on Rodenfels the last 7 or 8 laps. This video was about Katelyn being the top collegian and going for a college record while racing against pros, and she beat all but one.
The college runners like Cook and Tuohy have barely had time to cycle down/recover from a long cross country season. So they are at the bottom of the hill making their way up again in the cycle of form.
2 pacers & a pro in Rodenfels was a great set up 2 bring down some of the Collegians PB's, especially w/Annie matching her 15:08. I just watched the Ethiopian pros, Letesenbet Gidey run a 14:06 & a half, breaking the record of 14:11 that I believe stood since 2008. Gidey had 2 pacers, Pace 1 & Pace 2, taking their correct turns at leading, unlike here when Jones dropped out from 2nd. Not only that, the pros now have a lighted inside track that flashes green for the runners to follow for record time pace in a 10m space, & then have 10m of blue lights flashing in front of the green to pace even better. Not at all fair to the runners of yesteryear (even though I know those today ran the time they did w/all the aids). Tuohy, Olemomoi have another minute plus yet to go.
Funny thing about that. And it's interesting to compare with Coach Henes. who has so many detractors. (She's not really a great coach, just lucky.) How many NCAA D1 coaches would sell their children just to share in Coach Laurie's deficiencies?
I take my hat off to Rodenfals. Smoking fast time by someone who makes it look like "work". Nothing pretty about her form, all strength and determination. Congrats!
@@sharonb537 I'm not quite sure what you mean. There are other countries in the world you know. There are more than 100 women in the world who are faster than her right now. She's going to have to improve by a minute and win a lot of world medals before you could really call her a legend. She has to improve by 40 seconds to be competitive at the top level in the US.
KATELYN'S PHENOMENAL 2022 - finished 1st or 2nd in all track races, undefeated whole cross country season, 2 national runner-up title, 2 national individual champion title, 1 team champion title, all-academic on all seasons, acc athlete of the year, southeast athlete of the year, national athlete of the year i5000m acc champion i3000m national runner-up i5000m national runner-up 1500m raleigh relays champ 5000m virginia challenge champ 4x1500m penn relays runner-up 5000m acc runner-up 1500m acc champion 5000m national champion 5k joe piane champ 6k nuttycombe invite champ 6k acc cross country champion 6k southeast regiona champion 6k national cross country champion i5000m boston opener runner-up top 7 all-time 1500m 4:06 top 8 all-time 5000m 15:14 top 9 all-time i5000m 15:15 joe piane course record 15:50 panorama farms course record 19:08 osu course record 19:27 1500m school record i5000m school record 5000m school record 5k school record 6k school record what a year! congrats champ!
Look at how much more controlled, rhythmic, and relaxed the arm movement of Coburn and Jones are compared to Katelyn and the rest of the collegiates. Next level.
Give Katelyn 10 years ;) Also, steeplechase being a more technically challenging discipline compared to a flat race, I would expect Coburn to be more technically sound in all her movements, even compared to the average pro runner.
Meanwhile for a little perspective, in Valencia, Spain today, Kelvin Kipsum, running his first marathon, ran eight sub-fifteen minute 5Ks in a row, and his time from 25K to 30K was fourteen-flat. He finished the marathon in 2:01:53.
@@jjuyreyyn5749 oh for sure. It was just an observation, not a judgement. You dont get to see these kind of side by side comparisons often. NCAA athletes are amazing!
Not too familiar with the pros except for Coburn. So, why didn't Rodenfels pace the race considering she's a pro as well? How many pros were running? I thought this was for collegiate runners like Touhy, Chelangat, Olemomoi and Cook to break the 15:00. Is this somehow a mixed level race?
Next time Katelyn runs please have pros call the race and pros running the cameras! These guys were gabbing about nonsense while Katelyn was getting passed, and the camera guy missed the shot. And one commentator, the guy who rambled about nothing relevant, didn't even know how to pronounce her name. That was just pathetic.
Yah that guy Bill was rambling on and on and the other guy, who was at least keeping to stats was talking over him, especially at the end, which made everything garbled and distracting. Not well matched commentators.
I just watched this again a month later. I love Bill Rogers' commentary. He combines the hippie origins of this kind of running with the super-macho culture of Pre and the rest of the guys. He grew up with that. His perspective is unique, unless you could get Marty Liquori or somebody of the that ilk on board. Fantastic and, contrary to most of the comments, I love Bill's insights, from the point of view of a pure runner and competitor. I once (a long time ago) heard an interview with Bill where he was asked why he was so absorbed by long distance running, at a young age. He noted that his old VW was liable to crap out at any time. But, he said, he always had running shoes in the car so he could run home, even from 15 or 20 miles, if must needs be. And that gave him a sense of security, control, and well-being. Bill is still the same person and I love his perspective.
KT knows now she ran a brilliant race clearly with an arduous x country race still in her legs. IMO She would have needed greater recovery after the x country performance. Human beings need to rest.
Но ничего страшного, еще чуть чуть и из 15 мин скоро выйдет!!!!!! а там и до настоящей борьбы недалеко с кенийками и эфиопками на мировой арене!!!) Дай Бог настойчивости и терпения, ясной здоровой мотивации!
As a tuohy fan i have nothing but respect for lauren, it’s early i’m sure she’ll be one of the usual “suspects” as the season goes on, looking forward to the battles!👍
Very good ,day by day.okay set goals each races woo, like tuff and wish best Luck each race, hay stay hungry wist best each races. Merry Christmas , seasons
She crushed her older friend and teammate. She is someone to reckon with and she is humble and sweet like Tuohy. Too bad she is not on Tuohy's team : )
Was lucky enough to be there standing at the rail just behind the start line....came down from Maine to see Katelyn Toughy in particular as I have been following her since her high school days. I was familiar with Emma Coburn as well but not all the other women . I ran track and cross country in high school and these ladies would all leave me in the dust 🙂 You go girls !!! and awesome to see you are all real and not part of fake news 👍💕
Katelyn is pushing hard to reach global times while not training at elevation and perhaps 2 years before American runners hit their prime years. The question if pace will allow her to reach her max potential in 2 years 2024 or will put too much strain on her body.
Don't think she will advance that fast...she 13th at US Nationals to compete she probably needs to bring her time down 30 to45 seconds which is ALOT. I think her goal for this outdoor season is probably to break 15:00 and that would be an awesome accomplishment...after that those last 20 to 30 seconds are tough to come by...especially since she does have a shorter stride than most...but I to hope she can pull it off and compete for the USA next Olympics it's just a big ask at this point. Her peak is probably 3 to 4 years away still.
@@TheDjcarter1966 Elly Henes is her template and competition for an Olympic spot in 2024. While 3.5 years younger KT times and NCAA championships are 1 year behind. She has to get a under 15 min time in '23 and then have the kick to match or beat Elly in the Olympic trials. To win a medal she needs to turn pro and train at altitude, improve her 1500 to sub 4:00 and hope for a slow race.
Why is the video title about the 2nd place finisher instead of the winner Annie Rodenfels? I'm not familiar with either one of them, but I think it is a bit dismissive of the effort, talent and skill of the winner to not be mentioned. I can only assume that Katelyn is the more well known athlete, and therefore whomever put up this video thought it would received more views with her name displayed, but you could have said 'Annie Rodenfels pulls off an upset over Katelyn Tuohy;' if you thought her name was so important that it just had to be in the title.
It's not that Tuohy was the better and she was upset by Rodenfels. Actually Rodenfels has a better PB than Tuohy. Tuohy is the more popular for sure and also people were expecting her to break the NCAA Record. Rodenfels being a Pro the best she could do at her level is win and a get a PB, she won.
Huh? Rodenfels is a pro runner who ran 15:08 on this course last year. That is like asking why the focus was on Natalie Cook at the Stanford Invite. Because this was a collegiate record attempt.
Nobody is minimizing Rodenfels’ win. Rodenfels is a well-known talented professional. The focus was on Tuohy since she was hoping to break the collegiate indoor record at this mixed collegiate/pro meet.
This was all a setup for the Collegians to run their personal bests & possibly break 15:00. That is Tuohy's goal. Tuohy, Cook, Chelangat & Olemomoi are the top collegiates along w/Valby. Tuohy says she wasn't 100% & neither were the pros w/the rabbits (Jones & Coburn) running 3:01, 3:02, & 3:03's to start. It all failed. Cook ran w/rabbits in HS. Tuohy, I believe never has. Anticipation probably cost her some. But wanting the best for Tuohy & Cook this race, I now see Olemomoi as the upcoming force.
This not an NCAA event, it's an open event, anyone can participate if they have a decent record. Depending on the record they get in a different Heat. There were six heats in this race, obviously the first Heat being the fastest.
Terrible terrible production. The race was with Tuohy et al, and whether she'd break the NCAA record. The color guy didn't really seem to know who she was - Twoo wey he said at one point - and the play by play guy had to keep feeding him runners names. Then at the end the announcers are telling us about the terrific battle going on with Tuohy and they showed NONE of it, the producers choosing to follow the pro's easy victory. My understanding is that FloTrack actually charges for live coverage of their stuff. If I paid for this I'd be pissed and I think that a decent high school student's AV department would have better coverage and production values.
@@icarus8471 My mistake. Let's see, to be the most specific for you, clueless about commentating this race. It's like the highest performing salesman who gets promoted to sales manager but sucks. He can understand the language but speak it? He had trouble saying anything of substance, was corrected several times, repeated himself, even mispronounced some of the athlete's names. Congratulations on his running career but commentating needs work.
Actually, it was uncharacteristic of me to criticize. Frustration at KT not meeting her goal? Boston Billy has every right to chime in at 75. Bob Costas he's not but he's still kicking' 35 years after his collegiate career. Keep going Bill.
She did in I think 2 separate interviews. She did not say she would do it but that she wanted to try. It is ok. She is just coming off XC. I think she will break 15:00 pretty soon. Personally, I think she looked a little off form in that race (except in that final kick). Even if she had been more genki the pacers were going to make that goal tough since their pace dropped.
@@sanfordschmidt2035 I guess you're right. she was I am not sure if I can or not commitment level in the post NCAA XC interview but she was keen to break the record and I really thought she said it in the zoom interview but I could only find one thing about it and she didn't mention time at all. Unless I spaced out another interview.
The obvious answer is they know a lot more people are interested in how Tuohy did than anything else about this race and putting her name in the title gets a lot more views. That's how TH-cam titles usually work.
Bill Rodgers was a great runner and should be venerated but not by making him an announcer. Perhaps let him comment on the conclusion of the race for a half a minute.
A couple of reasons. Coburn isn't a 5k runner. She runs the 3k steeplechase as her event. She can use this event as training, getting to run with some talented runners in a race environment. And finally, she was part of the 2 woman Addidas pacing contingent giving newest Addidas signee collegiate Katelyn Tuohy a chance at breaking some college records.
I am not familiar with these types of races or the competitors in the video so I would like to know why Emma Coburn and Danny Jones stepped off the track
Horrible camera work to only show the 1st runner finish. Compare this to how Newbury Park High School shows races, in both XC and track they have done a great job at showing the whole field.
The camera was on her the final four laps. This was a college record attempt. The attraction in this race was what the top collegiate runners could run in a race with pros and whether Tuohy could break an NCAA record, not whether an established pro runner won the race.
one of those announcers didn't know who Katelyn Tuohy was at all. he kept messing up her name and asked if she was from Saratoga Springs. should really have prepped a little more.
I'll bet Katelyn Tuohy knows who Bill Rodgers is....
In brief comments immediately after the race KT said something like she didn't feel 100% and she had a bad day. That's crazy. She only ran the ninth fastest collegiate indoor 5K of all time and the second fastest collegiate 5k of 2022 indoor or outdoor. And you know who ran the fastest (15:14 at the Virginia Challenge in May). In other words, this was a stellar performance any way you look at it. Why would she be disappointed? This was spectacular. Because she didn't break Sisson's record (15:12.22)? Wait.
I would say a slight off day due to being worn down but still an excellent time.
The whole narrative was kinda weird, talk about going under 15' FOR THIS RACE, she broke her indoor PB by 15" she wanted to break it by 30"? yikes. I have played sports and played well on days I felt like crap beforehand and the opposite has happened too, maybe she was just missing that adreniline rush. So, dumb question: was this set up for the collegians? that is, having Emma Coburn pace them out deliberately for that NCAA record attempt? Redenfels had to take the race of course b/c it was her home track. (so she just took advantage of the pacers + Tuohy lead?)
@@TheJhtlag Coburn and Jones were pacing for Lear and other pros in the race. They are teammates.
@@ljn5232 pace was at 9:07 at 3k so the sub 15 was not possible to start with
Very well said.
The collegians had a lot of amazing times. Ncaa season should be epic. Nice job to the winner of course. Looks like a great atmosphere.
Natalie is scary.
I saw this on another podcast this morning: A very useful summary. I wish I could cite the poster.
KATELYN'S PHENOMENAL 2022
- finished 1st or 2nd in all track races, undefeated
whole cross country season, 2 national runner-up title,
2 national individual champion title, 1 team champion title
i5000m acc champion
i3000m national runner-up
i5000m national runner-up
1500m raleigh relays champ
5000m virginia challenge champ
4x1500m penn relays runner-up
5000m acc runner-up
1500m acc champion
5000m national champion
5k joe piane champ
6k nuttycombe invite champ
6k acc cross country champion
6k southeast regiona champion
6k national cross country champion
i5000m boston opener runner-up
top 7 all-time 1500m 4:06
top 8 all-time 5000m 15:14
top 9 all-time i5000m 15:15
joe piane course record 15:50
panorama farms course record 19:08
osu course record 19:27
How come I cannot find the full or most of the full Nuttycombe race.
if I would’ve known TH-cam was going to post the full race I wouldn’t have bought a 29.99 ONE MONTH pass for flotrack 😭
Rough. You can watch nuttycombe as well I guess
@@onetwothreefour-s1n nuttycomb is on runnerspace so you need a subscription for that too lol, cheaper than flotrack though!
@@Robertjames525 oh woops, lol.
@@onetwothreefour-s1n lol, but i got to give flotrack credit, they atleast post their archive races on TH-cam as runnerspace doesn’t!
@@Robertjames525 good point. I bought a month just for nuttycombe. I imagine they'd do pretty well with youtube revenue if they would release it all. Especially the tuohy stuff of course like nike nxn.
What a great race. You could tell that Tuohy was a bit off, like she never found her stride. She said that she had an off day and wasn't feeling well. Tremendous effort and drive regardless. I love her tenacity to never settle for anything less than her best. I can't wait to see what she does going forward.
After what she did at the Cross-Country Championships (although 2 weeks ago) I don't blame her for any race she doesn't think she did her best. Natalie Cook did great also...... What is the age of the winner?
I like the way you put the finger on her tenacity and refusal to accept less than the best.
Nice to see a veteran pro like Coburn pacing a race like this and compare her cadence against a collegiate standout like Tuohy.
Elite athletes are a whole different level from collegians. There are a good number of elite women (including at least one American) who can run this distance in the 14:30 range. Tuohy is a gifted collegiate athlete, but she’s not at the elite level. She has a good chance getting there in a few years, but there are also other excellent collegiate athletes and upcoming high school girls who are right on her heels. As a former distance runner (who never came close to making the elite level) I’m just happy to see such a large field of upcoming talented women distance runners. Now if we could just have the same thing happen with the men it would be really great.
Katelyn was tired at the end but she was able to kick for 2nd. That is a very good college time. Not that anyone saw it.
Yea crappy coverage!
she kind of hit a wall there at the frontrunner speed, but kind of crazy she was able to rally and put in another kick, Against a pro too for 2nd, although - with the exception of Redenfels on her home track - they didn't seem to concerned about letting the collegians shine maybe just getting some work in for themselves.
@@TheJhtlag absolutely, if you notice before tuohy kicked she kept looking down and was out of form, i knew she was tired and still kicked enough to take second, she’s so tough and gives it her all no matter how’s she’s feeling that day and that’s one of the main reasons why i and many people respect her, stay tuned!!🤘💪
Very poor coverage of KT. Should have kept the camera on her for at least the straight away after 14:30
As we all saw during the Olympics, they pick the worst commentators and the worst producers (the guy who says, "Now show camera #6 to the viewers.") and assign them to track and field.
Great outing by KT against the pros! It good drama to see her struggle and actually look like she had to work. She's got a taste of the next level and she's right in the mix! It will be exciting to watch her own bar even higher, good stuff!
good take. she DID get a taste of what she's up against in the future.
If that's her on a off day it's Scary to think what she's gonna do for the rest of the season KT is gonna smash it..💪👏
Those upset that the focus wasn't on the winner obviously didn't watch the race, the camera was on Rodenfels the last 7 or 8 laps. This video was about Katelyn being the top collegian and going for a college record while racing against pros, and she beat all but one.
I wish they had spent more time on the chase group. They had three camera positions.
The college runners like Cook and Tuohy have barely had time to cycle down/recover from a long cross country season. So they are at the bottom of the hill making their way up again in the cycle of form.
Thank You, Well said!!!
would have been great if the cameras were more than the winner!!
katelyn is so good at pushing despite not having it.
i think thats what they call new york grit
2 pacers & a pro in Rodenfels was a great set up 2 bring down some of the Collegians PB's, especially w/Annie matching her 15:08. I just watched the Ethiopian pros, Letesenbet Gidey run a 14:06 & a half, breaking the record of 14:11 that I believe stood since 2008. Gidey had 2 pacers, Pace 1 & Pace 2, taking their correct turns at leading, unlike here when Jones dropped out from 2nd. Not only that, the pros now have a lighted inside track that flashes green for the runners to follow for record time pace in a 10m space, & then have 10m of blue lights flashing in front of the green to pace even better. Not at all fair to the runners of yesteryear (even though I know those today ran the time they did w/all the aids). Tuohy, Olemomoi have another minute plus yet to go.
Love an early season deep race
Great performance by KT.
Her off days are better than most peoples best.
Funny thing about that. And it's interesting to compare with Coach Henes. who has so many detractors. (She's not really a great coach, just lucky.) How many NCAA D1 coaches would sell their children just to share in Coach Laurie's deficiencies?
Thnx for sharing...racing is fun, somebody always wins! Katelyn had a good go at it and workout.
I take my hat off to Rodenfals. Smoking fast time by someone who makes it look like "work". Nothing pretty about her form, all strength and determination. Congrats!
She’s a beautiful young woman. Maybe not as smooth as some, but beautiful and a phenomenal athlete!
Katelyn is eventually going to be a LEGENDARY track star. She already is in college.
I guess you mean by American standards. Don't get carried away she will have to improve by a minute to trouble the best in the world.
@@simmorg290 Are there any other kind of standards?
@@sharonb537 I'm not quite sure what you mean. There are other countries in the world you know. There are more than 100 women in the world who are faster than her right now. She's going to have to improve by a minute and win a lot of world medals before you could really call her a legend. She has to improve by 40 seconds to be competitive at the top level in the US.
Nice greetings to Mercy and Hilda from Alabama you stayed behind and run smart. I can not wait to see you running with Everlyn KEmboi and break 15.
Great running, love watching the collegiate indoor distance running, fantastic athletes.
The future is bright for KT.
KATELYN'S PHENOMENAL 2022
- finished 1st or 2nd in all track races, undefeated
whole cross country season, 2 national runner-up title, 2 national individual champion title, 1 team champion title, all-academic on all seasons, acc athlete of the year, southeast athlete of the year, national athlete of the year
i5000m acc champion
i3000m national runner-up
i5000m national runner-up
1500m raleigh relays champ
5000m virginia challenge champ
4x1500m penn relays runner-up
5000m acc runner-up
1500m acc champion
5000m national champion
5k joe piane champ
6k nuttycombe invite champ
6k acc cross country champion
6k southeast regiona champion
6k national cross country champion
i5000m boston opener runner-up
top 7 all-time 1500m 4:06
top 8 all-time 5000m 15:14
top 9 all-time i5000m 15:15
joe piane course record 15:50
panorama farms course record 19:08
osu course record 19:27
1500m school record
i5000m school record
5000m school record
5k school record
6k school record
what a year! congrats champ!
Yeah she’s her
I wish the video would have occasionally cut to Katelyn Tuohy during the final four laps. I would have liked to see Katelyn’s kick.
Would of been nice to see how the next 2 or 3 at least finished.
You know you're something else, when a 15:15 is a bad race.
Tuohy is the future.
I was searching for this. Thanks
Great race Katelyn!!!!
Look at how much more controlled, rhythmic, and relaxed the arm movement of Coburn and Jones are compared to Katelyn and the rest of the collegiates. Next level.
give the ncaa athletes credit, they had a long season, also, coburn has been running 10+ years more than them and is an olympian
Give Katelyn 10 years ;)
Also, steeplechase being a more technically challenging discipline compared to a flat race, I would expect Coburn to be more technically sound in all her movements, even compared to the average pro runner.
Meanwhile for a little perspective, in Valencia, Spain today, Kelvin Kipsum, running his first marathon, ran eight sub-fifteen minute 5Ks in a row, and his time from 25K to 30K was fourteen-flat. He finished the marathon in 2:01:53.
@@jjuyreyyn5749 oh for sure. It was just an observation, not a judgement. You dont get to see these kind of side by side comparisons often. NCAA athletes are amazing!
Not too familiar with the pros except for Coburn. So, why didn't Rodenfels pace the race considering she's a pro as well? How many pros were running? I thought this was for collegiate runners like Touhy, Chelangat, Olemomoi and Cook to break the 15:00. Is this somehow a mixed level race?
AR looked good in that win. Nice race.
Next time Katelyn runs please have pros call the race and pros running the cameras! These guys were gabbing about nonsense while Katelyn was getting passed, and the camera guy missed the shot. And one commentator, the guy who rambled about nothing relevant, didn't even know how to pronounce her name. That was just pathetic.
You are correct on all points.
Yah that guy Bill was rambling on and on and the other guy, who was at least keeping to stats was talking over him, especially at the end, which made everything garbled and distracting. Not well matched commentators.
I agreed 100% that 1 announcer was terrible
I turned the volume down so I wouldn't have to listen after the first few minutes of hearing them.
Amen
Rodenfels can Motor! Back to Back Champ! She’s so great.
Amen. A lot of Tuohy fans here but the truth of the matter is Rodenfels was by far superior and two years running now. Congrats champ.
Rodenfal smoked everyone yet Katelyn is the one they hype. I`m a Katelyn fan but how about giving someone else that earned it credit?
dispite having a bad day,katelyn ran an awsome race
Tuohy was in third for a moment but was able to find another gear to kick past a pro runner for 2Nd!!!!
The 3rd and 4th finishers were both from U of Alabama
Were only here to watch Touhy and their was no footage.Etf
The camera work the last part of the race was pretty bad.....glad I don't pay
Annie Rodenfels runs 15:08.22 5k to win BU Season Opener.
I just watched this again a month later. I love Bill Rogers' commentary. He combines the hippie origins of this kind of running with the super-macho culture of Pre and the rest of the guys. He grew up with that. His perspective is unique, unless you could get Marty Liquori or somebody of the that ilk on board. Fantastic and, contrary to most of the comments, I love Bill's insights, from the point of view of a pure runner and competitor.
I once (a long time ago) heard an interview with Bill where he was asked why he was so absorbed by long distance running, at a young age. He noted that his old VW was liable to crap out at any time. But, he said, he always had running shoes in the car so he could run home, even from 15 or 20 miles, if must needs be. And that gave him a sense of security, control, and well-being. Bill is still the same person and I love his perspective.
She doesn’t run. She glides!! So beautifully!!
If we could get a camera on the field for a closer shot - that would be great .....
Video is much better with sound turned off
I see a couple of trash cans on the infield; why is there so much trash/paper on the ground?
That was nice of Coburn to pace the race.
Pacers/ rabbits are compensated….but nice that Emma traveled with teammtes
😀omg thanks!!!!!!
Solida como siempre para un muy buen desempeño
People didnt even realize theres like 10 pro runners in this race 😅
Who is the commentator and what is he on? I want some.
The camera work at the end of this race was bad - why wasn't Touhy's finish shown?
KT knows now she ran a brilliant race clearly with an arduous x country race still in her legs. IMO She would have needed greater recovery after the x country performance.
Human beings need to rest.
Women's track and field, tennis, skating, swimming, golf is the best.
..очень важен опыт поражений. Надеюсь он поможет Кетлин в будущем. Жду её выступления на международных соревнованиях высшего уровня. Привет из России.
Но ничего страшного, еще чуть чуть и из 15 мин скоро выйдет!!!!!! а там и до настоящей борьбы недалеко с кенийками и эфиопками на мировой арене!!!) Дай Бог настойчивости и терпения, ясной здоровой мотивации!
That's a solid race from Katelyn.
I hope to see Lauren Gregory dig deep this year and join the top tier.
As a tuohy fan i have nothing but respect for lauren, it’s early i’m sure she’ll be one of the usual “suspects” as the season goes on, looking forward to the battles!👍
@Namfonos she has indoor eligibility left
K.T., great effort! You know what you're capable of, so you're really racing against history. History will still be there at your next meets, right?
Tuhy for the win 😍
Very good ,day by day.okay set goals each races woo, like tuff and wish best Luck each race, hay stay hungry wist best each races. Merry Christmas , seasons
Bill is announcing from the trenches during the Second World War.
Great race by Nat King Cook.
She crushed her older friend and teammate. She is someone to reckon with and she is humble and sweet like Tuohy. Too bad she is not on Tuohy's team : )
Was lucky enough to be there standing at the rail just behind the start line....came down from Maine to see Katelyn Toughy in particular as I have been following her since her high school days. I was familiar with Emma Coburn as well but not all the other women . I ran track and cross country in high school and these ladies would all leave me in the dust 🙂
You go girls !!! and awesome to see you are all real and not part of fake news 👍💕
That’s awesome you were there, great experience i’m sure!👍
Great race. Meanwhile, in the UK, Sam Harrison runs a Parkrun in 15:37 (world record) as part of a hard training session.
World record for what age group? That is no where near the world record for 5,000 meters.
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Katelyn is pushing hard to reach global times while not training at elevation and perhaps 2 years before American runners hit their prime years. The question if pace will allow her to reach her max potential in 2 years 2024 or will put too much strain on her body.
Don't think she will advance that fast...she 13th at US Nationals to compete she probably needs to bring her time down 30 to45 seconds which is ALOT. I think her goal for this outdoor season is probably to break 15:00 and that would be an awesome accomplishment...after that those last 20 to 30 seconds are tough to come by...especially since she does have a shorter stride than most...but I to hope she can pull it off and compete for the USA next Olympics it's just a big ask at this point. Her peak is probably 3 to 4 years away still.
@@TheDjcarter1966 Elly Henes is her template and competition for an Olympic spot in 2024. While 3.5 years younger KT times and NCAA championships are 1 year behind. She has to get a under 15 min time in '23 and then have the kick to match or beat Elly in the Olympic trials. To win a medal she needs to turn pro and train at altitude, improve her 1500 to sub 4:00 and hope for a slow race.
Why is the video title about the 2nd place finisher instead of the winner Annie Rodenfels? I'm not familiar with either one of them, but I think it is a bit dismissive of the effort, talent and skill of the winner to not be mentioned. I can only assume that Katelyn is the more well known athlete, and therefore whomever put up this video thought it would received more views with her name displayed, but you could have said 'Annie Rodenfels pulls off an upset over Katelyn Tuohy;' if you thought her name was so important that it just had to be in the title.
It was Because Annie is a pro and Katelyn is not, and how it was the top time for women's collage
It's not that Tuohy was the better and she was upset by Rodenfels. Actually Rodenfels has a better PB than Tuohy. Tuohy is the more popular for sure and also people were expecting her to break the NCAA Record.
Rodenfels being a Pro the best she could do at her level is win and a get a PB, she won.
Huh? Rodenfels is a pro runner who ran 15:08 on this course last year. That is like asking why the focus was on Natalie Cook at the Stanford Invite. Because this was a collegiate record attempt.
Nobody is minimizing Rodenfels’ win. Rodenfels is a well-known talented professional.
The focus was on Tuohy since she was hoping to break the collegiate indoor record at this mixed collegiate/pro meet.
This was all a setup for the Collegians to run their personal bests & possibly break 15:00. That is Tuohy's goal. Tuohy, Cook, Chelangat & Olemomoi are the top collegiates along w/Valby. Tuohy says she wasn't 100% & neither were the pros w/the rabbits (Jones & Coburn) running 3:01, 3:02, & 3:03's to start. It all failed. Cook ran w/rabbits in HS. Tuohy, I believe never has. Anticipation probably cost her some. But wanting the best for Tuohy & Cook this race, I now see Olemomoi as the upcoming force.
Great race kt
KT, Way to go, rooms to improve on catching the PRO. The winner is the one who did the best !
The best runner won! Well done Annie 💪💥
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Good results.
Tough race after a long xc season.
How can any announcer of track not know who KT is? Are you living under a rock?
Horrible coverage of the race. Especially the camera work and color commentator
I had to mute Bill Rodgers…. Uhhg
Can anyone help an old timer understand why Pros are at a NCAA event?
It’s not an NCAA event lmao
Green money
Why not, iron sharpens iron!🤷🏼♂️
This not an NCAA event, it's an open event, anyone can participate if they have a decent record. Depending on the record they get in a different Heat. There were six heats in this race, obviously the first Heat being the fastest.
I'm guessing that color commentator "Bill" was distance running legend Bill Rogers.
Terrible terrible production. The race was with Tuohy et al, and whether she'd break the NCAA record. The color guy didn't really seem to know who she was - Twoo wey he said at one point - and the play by play guy had to keep feeding him runners names. Then at the end the announcers are telling us about the terrific battle going on with Tuohy and they showed NONE of it, the producers choosing to follow the pro's easy victory. My understanding is that FloTrack actually charges for live coverage of their stuff. If I paid for this I'd be pissed and I think that a decent high school student's AV department would have better coverage and production values.
there was NO BATTLE! ridiculous announcers, they ever run indoor track?!
@@GeoAce777 Look up Bill Rodgers (ridiculous announcer) on Wiki....he was the world's best marathoner from 1975 to 1982 or so...
Who the heck is the commentator that is clueless about track?
Bill Rodgers. Let that sink in.
@@icarus8471 My mistake. Let's see, to be the most specific for you, clueless about commentating this race. It's like the highest performing salesman who gets promoted to sales manager but sucks. He can understand the language but speak it? He had trouble saying anything of substance, was corrected several times, repeated himself, even mispronounced some of the athlete's names. Congratulations on his running career but commentating needs work.
Actually, it was uncharacteristic of me to criticize. Frustration at KT not meeting her goal? Boston Billy has every right to chime in at 75. Bob Costas he's not but he's still kicking' 35 years after his collegiate career. Keep going Bill.
@@icarus8471 That it was coming from Bill Rodgers actually made the poor commentary more surprising to me.
Who said she was trying for 15:00 in the first place?
She did in I think 2 separate interviews. She did not say she would do it but that she wanted to try. It is ok. She is just coming off XC. I think she will break 15:00 pretty soon. Personally, I think she looked a little off form in that race (except in that final kick). Even if she had been more genki the pacers were going to make that goal tough since their pace dropped.
the pace wasnt even for 15:00, they crossed 3k at 9:07 which is 15:10s pace
@@goatbloat8233 She said she would like to; didn't say when.
@@sanfordschmidt2035 I guess you're right. she was I am not sure if I can or not commitment level in the post NCAA XC interview but she was keen to break the record and I really thought she said it in the zoom interview but I could only find one thing about it and she didn't mention time at all. Unless I spaced out another interview.
Katelyn is great. But a ways to go before becoming world class. Go KT!
Yup a few more healthy seasons under her belt and she will be world class.
Hi future viewers 👋🏻
I was there. Katelyn is built different
The question is if she should look to go down to 1500 where her frame may not be as much of a disadvantage.
How about you put Annie in the video title since she left Kaetlyn in the dust.
nah thats boring
Because she is a 26 year old pro running against a 20 year old at the end of a long season.
@@coco_bold that was a last minute surprise that coburn and dani jones were gonna pace, that was great of them!
The obvious answer is they know a lot more people are interested in how Tuohy did than anything else about this race and putting her name in the title gets a lot more views. That's how TH-cam titles usually work.
Bill Rodgers was a great runner and should be venerated but not by making him an announcer. Perhaps let him comment on the conclusion of the race for a half a minute.
Wait till KT actually recovers from a CC season of speed, tempo and mileage. Rodenfels will have company very, very soon.
Great time for KT!
Why would Coburn do that?
Pacing.
A couple of reasons. Coburn isn't a 5k runner. She runs the 3k steeplechase as her event. She can use this event as training, getting to run with some talented runners in a race environment. And finally, she was part of the 2 woman Addidas pacing contingent giving newest Addidas signee collegiate Katelyn Tuohy a chance at breaking some college records.
@@tak-el-uc That clears it up, thanks.
Coburn get ca$h money?
Coburn and Jones train with TeamBoss and there were other pros from her group in the race
Thanks for spoiler in title, knowing the finish time before the starting gun goes off 🙄
You have a bad habit of giving away the race in the video title. I just go on by to something else often enough.
I am not familiar with these types of races or the competitors in the video so I would like to know why Emma Coburn and Danny Jones stepped off the track
because they were just there as pacemakers
@@tradewins thank you
Rodenfels killed it.
Would love to see the second heat...
Are the announcers here obligated to mention the athletic equipment sponsors?
The commentating on this was atrocious.
Horrible camera work to only show the 1st runner finish. Compare this to how Newbury Park High School shows races, in both XC and track they have done a great job at showing the whole field.
why are you guys not talking about the girl who actually won?
The camera was on her the final four laps. This was a college record attempt. The attraction in this race was what the top collegiate runners could run in a race with pros and whether Tuohy could break an NCAA record, not whether an established pro runner won the race.
@@icarus8471 makes sense didnt realize she was also pro since she didn't stop running like the other pacers.
@@harshitasehgal8283 theres 10 pro runners
A mixture of professionals and college kids. Both KT and Annie had a good opening indoor meet. And BU, how bout some trash cans - trash everywhere.
Katelyn looks like she is just loping along, well within herself
this commentator is not too informed
Yeah you should look up a guy named Bill Rogers or Boston Bill...
Who else gets the feeling that she could still go out to the front and then lap runners for the rest of the race...?