Was Dave's Brother About To Get Ripped Off At A Small Engine Shop? Let's Find Out!
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- Was Dave's Brother About To Get Ripped Off At A Small Engine Shop? Let's Find Out!
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Customer - "I want this to run like new again."
Shop - "That will cost you $300."
Customer - "For that money, I can buy a new chain saw."
Shop - "Problem solved."
I believe that's what he was telling him
LOL spot on what you are saying The Stihl dealership was not trying to RIP off the customer they were being very honest with him plus i dont blame the dealership for not working on that chain saw HUG labor intensive to work on its a money loser for the tech and the shop i know seen it many of times not with just a chain saw with hedgers weed wackers and even some push mowers or self propelled the best thing is if you are a good tinker in your own shop thats the type of project for the long winter month and a hug THUMBS UP for Donyboy for adresing this issue
It is definitely a borderline call. I had Don work on my dad’s old 026 and he got it running great again for me. For me, it was a nostalgia call and a sense of attachment for me since my dad passed a few years ago. I see a new 261 or 291 in my future
Thanks for all of the help, as always, Don!
I quickly realized you were going to recommend him to buy a new saw as the repairs were adding up fast. I personally think another great option for the occasional use homeowner type saw user is to rent a chain saw. (1 -2 times a year user)
renting is really not that great at about $80-$100/day. rent it about 4-5 times and it would have just been cheaper to buy especially if you are willing and able to use an electric chainsaw. you can get corded electric chainsaws and they do work pretty good as long as you don't bog them too much or too long.
I could see renting a saw if you have an event where a very large tree fell and needs removed, but not so much for regular maintenance of property. 1-2 times a year, just buy an electric saw unless the distance means you need a homeowner grade gas saw. Granted it's not just times per year but how much cutting, each time.
Another option is quit thinking about ideals and just continue to use the saw. More dangerous? Maybe, but there are lots of other dangers using a saw that harm people more often so meh, make sure to keep the chain tension right and the bar lubed. So what if it goes slower if it's not a productivity issue?
The secret to fixing any equipment is to being diligent not to let it get to a point of disrepair. Take care of your equipment and it will take care of you. I have a 025 that's over 30 years old, and still running strong after only changing spark plugs, one bar and half a dozen chains. For occasional use, it still holds it own, even when compared to my 261CM
Always well reasoned advice from you. Thanks for the video.
Such an awesome video, customers don't realize how much time and parts go into these these repairs. Time is money.
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To help salve over the cost of new saw, compliment him that he got many good years from that saw by taking care of it (mostly). So a new saw should last at least as long.
Except that the new saw will NOT last as long. The saws Stihl is making today are nothing like the quality of that 023. They are price point saws designed to satisfy a limited homeowner use.
Parts and Labor add up quick. I think it was a fair estimate. Good to see you again Dave!!
Love these Dony and Dave segments! I was starting to wonder where’s Dave?
Nice overview of the process, really helps to understand what to expect!
I wish more people understand that "an estimate is a estimate and not a contract" and it would avoid all the "but you said it would cost" blah blah blah.
Excellent video. Good overview. Dave - it's your brother. Fix the damn saw for him!
Sounds good! I will!!!
Basically that is why at Eliminator Performance we only tune up running two stroke equipment since we have found that repairing non running units cost too much for our customers and we end up telling them to get a new unit instead.
I've got a Stihl 028 AV I just pulled apart this morning .. (just general maintenance and cleaning) I've cut 30 rank of wood with it for 30 years ! ...the piston still looks brand new it still has all the horizontal milling striations on it and it looks like I even still see some crosshatch patterns on the cylinder .. I got that saw when I was 15 and I guess it's going to end up out living me.. as that thing sill looks like a newbie ! 😅
Don’t loan it out to anyone you don’t trust completely. Many a “tale of woe” began with “I lent out my equipment...”.
Holy hell. My hourly is $75USD and I hardly ever charge more than a half hour. I go through everything and it gets a bath before it goes home.
Your doing a lot free work then. Was at 75 but had raise this year. Now at 100. Not to many people complain.
Well - $75USD converts to $98.64CAD (Google: 3 minutes ago), so let's call it $100CAD. And I presume you're not a franchised dealer? (Adding 30% for the franchise fee etc. seems realistic to me!)
On the other hand - if it takes you half an hour, charge a half...
But if it takes you longer than 30 minutes, charge your actual time!
@@RottnRobbie well I work for a hardware store. I put probably closer to 1 to 1.5 hours into even a simple tune up and at that point I can’t imagine charging people that much. Now with riding mowers ya absolutely. But even then I charge an hour and half probably 2 into it easily.
If you charge half an hour @ $100 CAD for 2 hrs work then your hourly rate is $25CAD … not $100 CAD
More great advice 👍 thank you. Some times the old stuff can be a money 💰 pit
Good video Don, to the unsuspecting, it’s easy to get caught off guard with how fast pasts add up.
It's exactly why i started to learn how to fix mine. It's fun and i save money ! Thanks again for your vidéos!
You gotta take care of your saws right out of the gate. Using them with a bad bar, chain, spark plugs, air and fuel filters can really cause a lot of damage.
Great video. A working 023 is an awesome saw. Dave should fix it.
Surely any person should know how to change bar/filter. I also think that anyone that uses a Saw should be able to sharpen it themselves. At least that would save some time /money ?
Some customers can't even tighten the chain correctly. You would be surprised of the lack of knowledge many people have these days with outdoor power equipment (or many other things for that matter).
@@mikespain8655 hehehe, true 😉
Great recommendation and piece by piece estimate. The dealer is going to cost you more, but you will typically get great service as that's what they work on mostly.
A saw like that is in pretty good condition overall, a new bar, chain, air filter, carb kit, etc. if you do the work yourself its still gonna cost you to get Stihl parts, but that saw will probably run another 20+ years....however, like you mention in the video, save the money and put it towards a new saw, keep the old saw for a backup...new bar and chain, tune up fuel lines, etc, and still hang onto it.
Kind of funny watching this video. I have had bad experience from shops. I live just outside of Thunder Bay Ontario. I bought a old HUSQVARNA 266SE from a old bush worker. He said it ran just fine. I found it did not run just fine so thought I would bring it to the dealer for a tune up. Was told it needs new crank seals. Well not wanting to spend any money on a old saw I decided to just store it for parts. Watch one of your videos for carb adjustments and followed your instructions to set the carb up. The saw has run just fine for over three years now. Not all shops are created equal.
Glad you gave Dave's brothers chain saw a look over there Young Man 😎👍
Good advice Don. Dave where have you been? You should fix that saw for your brother and make a video about it.
Good day Don Boy it is cheaper to buy new saw, sell old one. 110/hr wow.
I found 170 & my dad 's old saw 028, seems to run slower than 170 !
Thanks Don & Dave.
Right on
13% tax? I thought that Connecticut was bad at 6.4%. Good video.
I would rather fix old equipment than buy new ones. New équipement are made as cheap as possible and just don’t last because of planned obsolescence. I have an old Shindaiwa weed heater of 40 years old still running great. Today equipment are made for 10 years maximum.
I wonder if the first estimate was including all what donyboy suggested fixing. Otherwise it could of bin a big ripoff. You just hope you are getting a reliable honest mechanic.
I would want to do a compression check and inspect for scoring!
Then you're a retentive nut. Whether the engine ran well before this, is evidence enough about that.
Did the transfer port over come off the cylinder on the MS391 blow out the transfer port cover? I've had couple 311/391 saws come in my dealership with the Ign side transfer port cover no longer attached.
Very cool! I enjoyed watching your honest assessment and best suggestion! Remember the comment I made about Deck Spindles and removing the inner ball bearing covers? You said, Most people don't want to pay for it. I found another video about removing them and watched it because he installed a Zerk Fitting, which mine doesn't have. When the video was over, another one was displayed in suggestions about if it was necessary in the first place. I had to watch it! This guy proves that it is not necessary in a very detailed way. *Don’t trust the “Experts” Grease your mower deck sealed spindle bearings Common sense maintenance.* by *Woodchuck Russ the Deck Dr.* It's a pretty amazing video and I thought you'd like to know about it. I was going to do it, but now I don't have to. I'll need to take them apart to install the Zerk Fittings, to be sure to get all the drill bit debris out, but that's it. After watching this one, I told the Zerk guy about it and now I'm sharing it with you.
I like it when you and Dave get together
i have this 023, its from 1998 , i overheated it twice with bad fuel but it's still running
Thank you Donnie your video contacts are always spot on
I would gladly fix that 023 rather than buy new. That 023 will STILL be running when the new saw is dead and gone.
This is not just about chain saws. Also with older cars, boats etc. often repair can be only viable provided you DIY and know what you're doing. Also, I would be concerned asking any shop to do $300 worth of parts and labor, simply because I don't know if everything would actually get done. Call me a cynic !
Great job and explanation guys.
Excellent DB73, All good words of wisdom,👌God Bless !!!!
Dony. I quit my mower repair job after 21 years.
Nervous and scared. I will start working at a home and recreation putting together pool tables and such...
Why are you afraid? Of what?
This is what I would do if I were to fix it myself. I would buy a new saw, the best quality I could find at a reasonable price. I would save the old saw and pull the exhaust to check the piston for wear. If scored, trash the saw. Of it's good, I would then fix the saw up little by little over time myself so I wouldn't feel the bite of the cost all at once. Once in good shape again, I would keep it as a back-up in case the new saw crapped out. New stuff isn't as well made so you never know when it will fail. As for the fix up of the old saw, you might get away with finding a used bar in better shape, get a new chain, replace the carb lines and wash the filters with soap and water, rinse them well and let dry
Then run the saw once in awhile to keep the crank seals wet. See what happens.
If all else fails, the old saw could make a good boat anchor!😄
Good assessment and vid, as usual.👍
@@boots7859 Yeah, do that. Could be an interesting project for you. The thing that could take a bit of time is locating a decent used chain bar from a local small engine shop, or perhaps finding one on eBay or Craigslist. Good luck.
Good advice!
...nice video Don.....oh the reality (and expense) of rebuilding an old chainsaw......and c'mon Dave, he's your brother...a BBQ sandwich and beer ought
to cover your labor....it would make a great DIY video....🙂
I know you're a stihl dealer, but what about and Oregon bar and chain, would that effect the prices?
The original estimate for a sharpen, plug and air filter was $300…which is a rip off! (especially since all these things are easy to do yourself). The second estimate of $300 for carb kit, new bar, addressing some other problems plus the original issues is a little more in line…but most “consumer saws” are a bit of a throw-away item…not worth putting much $ into (unlike a pro level saw)
is the piston and cylinder good
if you look at the gullet or tooth it has a line on it for the limit of sharpen
Thats not the limit, it's to show what angle to sharpen it.
@@alexstromberg7696 It kinda is the limit, you start busting teeth off past the mark.
@@RumfordSledhead yes, but it wasnt made as a limit.
@@alexstromberg7696 on stihl chains that mark is on the side of the tooth as well.
That's not about angles.
$5-$10 for a cheap foam filter is a rip off.
$350 USD (400+CND) will buy you an Echo CS 4910 50cc saw with pro mag case construction. It will make a 291 look like a toy from Little Tikes. Don’t spend that kind of money on a Stihl homeowner/ farm- ranch saw. Their pro saws are good but you gotta have bucks.
Interesting video! Thanks.
the seals get hard especially on the clutch side
Well, an accepted quote is a contract. Its extent though can vary a lot. A dealer should never throw in a figure on « what is it going to cost to get it running ? ». An estimate should always specify what it covers and mention that additional work and parts might be needed to fix problems that could not be readily diagnosed on initial inspection. Regards !
Excellent video!! Great information!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great advice Don
I have a question. What is the normal oil ratio - gas mixture for Husqvarna 61?... Is okay 30/1000 ( 30:1 ) ?
That would give you 33:1 which is probably a bit more oil than you need but perfectly safe , you might just make more carbon in the exhaust port area and maybe foul the plug over time .
The Husqvarna website says - "The correct mixing ratio for your Husqvarna is detailed in your product's owner's manual. But as a general guide, a fuel-to-oil ratio of 50:1 is recommended for Husqvarna products up to and including 75cc. "
So that works out to 20ml oil per litre of gas , just use a very good quality oil designed for air-cooled two strokes .
Looks like the only way we get to see Dave now days, is if he collabs on your channel Don, thanks for having him, I appreciate it! Truth is I love these video's so much, because they are really educational, full of very useful information. And the best part is, even Dave learns something new, and you know how I love watching Dave learn new things. I agree with everything that Don said, and I loved the excellent questions that Dave asked. We need more collaborations just like this one, just saying.
If the bar is at .050, you could go with an .058 chain ?
$300 easy if all is done properly, but you could find other things.
Best to purchase a new one, rather than nostalgia 😀🇦🇺
Everybodies overhead is different. Dealers have higher overhead.
$300, that is a good incentive to make sure I take good care of my chainsaws, thanks for the information 👍.
Great !
It’s always my brothers, brother-in-law or cousins 😀😀😀🇦🇺
Taking the time to learn how to care for your own equipment is the best option. This stuff is not rocket science. A chainsaw sharpener from Harbor Freight does a decent job and if you have two or three chains you will always have a sharp saw. There are videos all over that show you how to do most repairs on just about anything around your house. You could buy the parts online and do most of these things for under a hundred dollars. Then have the more technical repairs done by a shop. Looking around for a reputable shop can save you money as well. DIY is the best way to go.
Top advice don as always
Hi Riley & Mick!
@@Tommyr yo yo hi mate
@@themowerman Hey Mick and Riley boy! Cheers from the N.E. U.S.!
Soo we learned Dave's brother didn't ask Dave to look at it first? Lol
Great video
09:28 "Not all small engine shops are dishonest."
Well . . . . . I'm not sure if that is good news or bad news.
Dave-O is back😎
Hi Don
Great video!
I don't know if you still have my contact info. If you don't, let me know...but if you do, give me a quick call. It would be great to catch up! I'm hoping to be up in your area before winter. Love your channel!
WOW 300 bucks crazy repair shops dodge a loss of money there.
i have two power equitments that take 40 2 1 mix and i am getting a chainsaw that uses 50 2 1 can i just use the 40 2 1 mix
yes you can use 40:1 mix
@@donyboy73 thank you
Was wondering what happened to Dave!
he's back!
Life has been really busy with me, family stuff and getting married. I’ll be back to uploading soon!
$300.00 for a Chain sharpen, a Plug & filter? Yes Dave's Brother, was about to be taken for a ride. The Guy could buy himself a new Saw. 🤐
And with a new chain, don't use that worn spur drive; more money. How about that 20+ year-old coil? On and on and on.
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Load the videos keep them up
Hey Carl!
I am very confused. Why in the world would Dave's brother have taken the saw elsewhere instead of just shipping it (if you aren't local) to you? Even then, ship it to Dave and make it His Problem, LOL!
COMON DAVE IT`S YOUR BROTHER YOU DO IT
That’s just what it costs to get a dealer to fix your stuff. I you can’t do it yourself, your better of buying a new one. But I wouldn’t pay $70 for a 15” .325 bar. Buy a Husky, their easier to work on lol.
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I mean if he does the work him self and buys an orgeon bar and chain for about 50 bucks and than still kit (spark plug, fuel filter, air filter) 10bucks and other parts for around 30 bucks than he has a almost brand new saw for 100 bucks not even that if he buys after market parts
So perfekt
This is absurd. The use wasn't described but for that perceived occasional use, just get some homeowner grade saw for $150. If the carb has problems sooner because homeowner grade, slap another $15 carb on every decade or so, as long as you don't leave old ethanol content fuel in it to foul it up faster.
I'm always fascinated by people who spend the most amount of money possible to get a job done, if they are not pros doing the work all day, every day.
That saw is only worth maybe $150 US, so yes, that quote is BS!
i have a better idea rent one period .
Dave were you been man?
Jeeze don’t buy another one and never do routine maintenance. He had to have spent more time putting the chain back on than cutting with a chain that loose.
I guess Dave won't fix it for free labour for family
I'm guessing you have never worked in small business? Doing things for free is quickest way to bankruptcy.
My son is a mechanic and I insist on paying him for working on my car.
@@johnmckee7937 ya I work on my own stuff and don't mind helping out friends I love taking things people think is junk and fixing it
That's very nice of you.
I hope all the people you help appreciate your hard work.
Your situation is different than someone trying to make a living, pay rent on building, inventory, insurance.
Dave. Daddy Donny
learn to work on your own equipment
Good advice!
Great video