Why do we always need to name things after dead politicians? instead of place names that would fix in an actual place. Taking it from Route One is just as bad as it was 30 years ago, only now the transit is even worse; or stagnant in its development, failing to keep pace with roadway expansion, thus exacerbating suburban sprawl.
Love the series - but the elephant in the room, which continues to be ignored by our leaders to this very day, is the completion of Rt95 into the city - that missing element means that the full potential of those billions and billons of dollars will never be fully realized - the city is in nearly constant choke off and that's regardless of the fantastic achievement of the tunnel & the Zakim - the misunderstanding that only Boston proper suffers from the effects of an uncompleted Rt95 is extremely short sighted. And, let's not forget that the 3 lane improvement of the southern end of Rt128 took over a decade to complete, ultimately to little or no improvement, again, all thanks to our spineless governor of that time who stopped 95 - he should have been impeached - terrible blunder - the state and it's drivers are still paying the price for that decision regardless of the tunnel, the Zakim and the upgrade to Rt128 and the countless billions of dollars spent.
@@skip1835 "The state and its drivers" are thankfully not roaring through Jamaica Plain, Roxbury, and the South End, all respect and thanks to the citizens who stood up and prevented that terrible fate. Instead we get to enjoy our parks, and we ride the subway instead of sitting in gross car traffic. Perhaps you should join us by riding a bus or train to work instead of polluting the air with your car (the noise from your car is really awful, too).
@@skip1835skip your political comment is absolutely NONSENSE and funny. Thank GOD 95 didn't rip through more family neighborhoods. And the central arteries and it's fill built the new mind blowing 🤯 seaport district. Big dig was the best thing for Boston future. LEAVE MASSACHUSETTS SKIP, FLORIDA 😂HAS 95 , HAVE FUN AT THAT HUMID HELL HOLE
Been listening on Spotify but thought I'd add a comment here. As an aspiring transportation planning student from the West Coast, I've been inspired and enthralled by both the story and the storyline of this series. It is a truly touching piece on the importance - and difficulty - of local activism. Thanks for your work, guys!
As someone who was born in the 90s, I only knew of the Big Dig as an ice cream flavor - this provided me with so much history and context - can't wait for the next episode
I appreciate the visual of the original bridge setup. I was born in '88, and have very early memories of the Central Artery. In particular, I remember the double-decker section, and I remember the crummy area under the highway near Quincy Market and the Aquarium. What I'd forgotten, was that the double-decker section of highway didn't continue all the way through the city (I thought that part was ONLY in the city as a way of reducing the footprint of the highway, but I was obviously mistaken). I've gotta say, despite the framing of this story from the perspective of Salvucci, and his trials and frustrations in the efforts to get his project accomplished, I have to appreciate and agree with the CLF, that rather than merely relocating highways, replacing highways with effective public transportation needs to be a key effort in urban infrastructure planning.
Wonderful series. Thanks for all the incredible color behind a story that spanned most of my lifetime. Around 2000 I got a tour of the then under construction tunnel and got to walk out on the Zakim bridge before any traffic would cross it. I was blown away by how lovely the bridge framed the Boston skyline. Thanks to all who fought for the best possible answer to this challenge. Too bad the MBTA which was supposed to benefit from the scheme Z compromise ended up in its current state of underfunding by being raided for funds to finish the Big Dig. I suppose we will eventually hear about that part!
As an outsider looking into the American political landscape of the day I find this series on this protracted moment in time extremely interesting and relevant, very well documented and broken down with a measure of objectivity and clarity too often lacking in such analysis. Well done, thank you, very enjoyable.
The beauty of the Zakim Bridge is a brilliant piece of civil engineering visual magic in its ability to distract attention away from the nearby tangle of unsightly roadways.
This is such an awesome podcast series. Great job and thanks for the effort! I can’t think of the last time I stayed so invested in something four hours in! I’m gonna be sad when I finish it all!
I love this podcast. In true Well There's Your Problem fashion, we don't get to the construction stage until over 3 hours in (and I'd have it no other way). I also appreciate that this series at least recognizes that the People Before Highways protests were often naturally related in the Housing/Rent protests in Boston of the 1960s.
At the end of the day Boston shine brighter and more beautiful after that massive project. It was well worth it Massachusetts is an economic leader we should have the opportunity to have more projects to beautify the state the way the big dig did for Boston.
There story telling was as good as a award winning movie script. For a documentary chanced being boring , and yet came out quite entertaining. Backtracking events , enhanced the narrative. And the real life participants on their voice overs was just the icing on the cake. The footage seemed a bit worn, but again, back then there was no 4K cameras and enhanced editing software unless you paid through the nose to get AVID stuff. Please keep on churning stuff out of your library, nowithstabding the low click counts. It matters a lot, specially with such compromised quality editorial.
Same here. My uncle was in an accident and was in Spaulding Rehab Hospital overlooking the Zakim construction while the towers were being built. He was there for a long time so I got to watch the whole thing be built and it inspired me to be the engineer I am today. Now I work as a consultant for MassDOT Highway implementing the latest design tools and advocate for tech that will make projects like the Big Dig go much smoother.
I enjoyed the video, but I think it would have benefited from more specificity as to why Fred Salvucci was so insistent on Scheme Z over the alternatives.
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What I’d be curious about, is whether he was insistent on project Z because it checked all the boxes and resulted in the least destruction of property? The fact the actual solution wasn’t far from project Z, makes me wonder about what it was about project Z over the alternatives that made him so insistent about it.
the way you describe scheme Z as a clover intersection all packed into one corner makes a lot more sense now. Boy i tell ya. You miss your exit and you are screwed in this monster. Also, having made it to episode 4 here, I never realised how *new* this, zakim, and frankly even the tunnels. I just thought they had been all built in the 1960s. I was born the year the ted williams tunnel was opened so not much frame of reference here. super interesting learning about this. How to build highways in colonial cities built for cattle carts is not ever so cut and dry
Really enjoying this video enhanced presentation of the podcast! Having pictures of the proposed bridge & ramp layout was incredibly helpful to show just how complex it was. The political cartoons were a nice bonus! I lived in Boston (well, Brighton) from the summer of '85 through '88 and frankly I was pretty oblivious about all of this. Living in Los Angeles, I've been hearing a great deal about the ongoing construction of the high speed rail and experiencing the building of the city's light rail Metro lines. Hearing the behind the scenes perspectives on the efforts just to set up such large projects is so informative!
I've never been to Boston but that Central Arerty looks SOOOO much like the one that is still in San Francisco. The elevated 101/80 freeway structure. It's turquoise, has those same curbs, narrow lanes and was built in 1957. Wonder when THAT's going to go?
The one odd thing about the bridge is the fact that the two towers mimic the design of the Bunker Hill monument, which sort of takes away from the specialness of the monument.
Boston born I thought the big dig would eliminate some traffic, eventually, I drove a rig through the whole process, huge employment project and it has worked out from my point of view, the only thing is the cost, I think it ended up costing 12 times more than the original projected cost, that's like someone quoting you a 100 bucks to mow your lawn, then telling you it's 1200 bucks, that's insane, if you or I did that, we'd be in Big dig trouble.
48:24 18 million dollars inflation per MONTH? that don't make sense to me. Did you maybe mean year instead of month? Edit: 18 million inflation in one year don't make sense either. Did you mean interest? Apparently, I'm missing something. Can someone help me understand?
Those route 1 ramps that were causing such a stir, they loop over train tracks and a concrete company. Nowhere near any houses or even offices at the time. I"m not sure why they were making such a sink about it.
It sounds like you've never been to the East Cambridge waterfront as it is today. Or maybe you've only flown through on your car with the windows up...
52:20 I don't love it. I hate it. It is unoriginal, is a design copied from other cities, not at all in keeping with Boston's character. was an unnecessary expense and does not hide the bowl of spaghetti that was unfortunately necessary unless you redesigned and rerouted route 1 and Sturrow Drive which in hindsight should have also been done, but noone even considered bringing up publicly. It makes the bowl of spaghetti next to it more obvious and more ugly like a band-aid on a broken nose
Moronic ideas by self interest bureaucrats who would rather have a measuring contest over commonsensical thought processes to accomplish a goal bigger then their egos. The competitors game is the ruining of the fabric of meaningful conversation. Until the minset gets corrected then the redundancy of these failures will unfortunately continue ✌🏽♥️
It's a monolithic post modern crappy decision taken by small committee & foisted on the many. Boston is a historic city so it's entrances should introduce visitors w/as old a style architecture as practical. Anyone will tell you the Government service building is butt ugly when informed of it's price tag (or at 1st glimpse for that matter.) A child can make brutal style w/beach sand. It takes real artisans to master stone, copper & wrought iron. Which is what the Zakim should've reflected. "Sails" indeed. Support wires that look like support wires
It’s all superfluous, since it was planned to be a regular highway bridge, the suspension parts aren’t doing anything. Look at the spacing of the supports and you’ll see it.
It is interesting to contrast scheme Z with the 3rd tunnel. The tunnel threatened a neighborhood so had actual grassroot opposition. Scheme Z is on top of an industrial zone, train yard and gravel pit that was never anything but ugly with no housing nearby. You can clearly see that is the case even if you look at the area today. That opposition was politically manufactured in comparison.
It sounds like you've never been to the East Cambridge waterfront as it is today. Or maybe you've only flown through on your car with the windows up...
What do you think about the story of the Zakim Bridge, and how it serves the city today?
Why do we always need to name things after dead politicians? instead of place names that would fix in an actual place. Taking it from Route One is just as bad as it was 30 years ago, only now the transit is even worse; or stagnant in its development, failing to keep pace with roadway expansion, thus exacerbating suburban sprawl.
You mean like the Ted Williams tunnel?
Love the series - but the elephant in the room, which continues to be ignored by our leaders to this very day, is the completion of Rt95 into the city - that missing element means that the full potential of those billions and billons of dollars will never be fully realized - the city is in nearly constant choke off and that's regardless of the fantastic achievement of the tunnel & the Zakim - the misunderstanding that only Boston proper suffers from the effects of an uncompleted Rt95 is extremely short sighted. And, let's not forget that the 3 lane improvement of the southern end of Rt128 took over a decade to complete, ultimately to little or no improvement, again, all thanks to our spineless governor of that time who stopped 95 - he should have been impeached - terrible blunder - the state and it's drivers are still paying the price for that decision regardless of the tunnel, the Zakim and the upgrade to Rt128 and the countless billions of dollars spent.
@@skip1835 "The state and its drivers" are thankfully not roaring through Jamaica Plain, Roxbury, and the South End, all respect and thanks to the citizens who stood up and prevented that terrible fate. Instead we get to enjoy our parks, and we ride the subway instead of sitting in gross car traffic. Perhaps you should join us by riding a bus or train to work instead of polluting the air with your car (the noise from your car is really awful, too).
@@skip1835skip your political comment is absolutely NONSENSE and funny. Thank GOD 95 didn't rip through more family neighborhoods. And the central arteries and it's fill built the new mind blowing 🤯 seaport district. Big dig was the best thing for Boston future. LEAVE MASSACHUSETTS SKIP, FLORIDA 😂HAS 95 , HAVE FUN AT THAT HUMID HELL HOLE
This documentary is one of the best things I've seen in TH-cam for a long time! Thanks!
We love to hear that!! Thanks for listening.
Been listening on Spotify but thought I'd add a comment here. As an aspiring transportation planning student from the West Coast, I've been inspired and enthralled by both the story and the storyline of this series. It is a truly touching piece on the importance - and difficulty - of local activism. Thanks for your work, guys!
As someone who was born in the 90s, I only knew of the Big Dig as an ice cream flavor - this provided me with so much history and context - can't wait for the next episode
late 90s? I was born in 94 and still remember the big dig as my earliest consistent local news story
I appreciate the visual of the original bridge setup. I was born in '88, and have very early memories of the Central Artery. In particular, I remember the double-decker section, and I remember the crummy area under the highway near Quincy Market and the Aquarium. What I'd forgotten, was that the double-decker section of highway didn't continue all the way through the city (I thought that part was ONLY in the city as a way of reducing the footprint of the highway, but I was obviously mistaken).
I've gotta say, despite the framing of this story from the perspective of Salvucci, and his trials and frustrations in the efforts to get his project accomplished, I have to appreciate and agree with the CLF, that rather than merely relocating highways, replacing highways with effective public transportation needs to be a key effort in urban infrastructure planning.
Wonderful series. Thanks for all the incredible color behind a story that spanned most of my lifetime. Around 2000 I got a tour of the then under construction tunnel and got to walk out on the Zakim bridge before any traffic would cross it. I was blown away by how lovely the bridge framed the Boston skyline. Thanks to all who fought for the best possible answer to this challenge. Too bad the MBTA which was supposed to benefit from the scheme Z compromise ended up in its current state of underfunding by being raided for funds to finish the Big Dig. I suppose we will eventually hear about that part!
Thanks for listening and sharing these memories! Very cool you got a tour 😎
As an outsider looking into the American political landscape of the day I find this series on this protracted moment in time extremely interesting and relevant, very well documented and broken down with a measure of objectivity and clarity too often lacking in such analysis. Well done, thank you, very enjoyable.
The beauty of the Zakim Bridge is a brilliant piece of civil engineering visual magic in its ability to distract attention away from the nearby tangle of unsightly roadways.
This is such an awesome podcast series. Great job and thanks for the effort! I can’t think of the last time I stayed so invested in something four hours in! I’m gonna be sad when I finish it all!
I love this podcast. In true Well There's Your Problem fashion, we don't get to the construction stage until over 3 hours in (and I'd have it no other way).
I also appreciate that this series at least recognizes that the People Before Highways protests were often naturally related in the Housing/Rent protests in Boston of the 1960s.
This is really cool history of a project i heard my parents endlessly complaining about when I was growing up. Great stuff!
Such an excellent series so far! It has pulled so many pieces into place, insightful, well researched, and most of all, interesting.
At the end of the day Boston shine brighter and more beautiful after that massive project. It was well worth it Massachusetts is an economic leader we should have the opportunity to have more projects to beautify the state the way the big dig did for Boston.
There story telling was as good as a award winning movie script. For a documentary chanced being boring , and yet came out quite entertaining.
Backtracking events , enhanced the narrative. And the real life participants on their voice overs was just the icing on the cake.
The footage seemed a bit worn, but again, back then there was no 4K cameras and enhanced editing software unless you paid through the nose to get AVID stuff.
Please keep on churning stuff out of your library, nowithstabding the low click counts. It matters a lot, specially with such compromised quality editorial.
This was a podcast that they added old archival footage to, not a documentary
I remember when the Big Dig finally opened. I thought it was the coolest thing ever and made me want to be an engineer.
Same here. My uncle was in an accident and was in Spaulding Rehab Hospital overlooking the Zakim construction while the towers were being built. He was there for a long time so I got to watch the whole thing be built and it inspired me to be the engineer I am today. Now I work as a consultant for MassDOT Highway implementing the latest design tools and advocate for tech that will make projects like the Big Dig go much smoother.
If only they had actually stuck to their green line plans on the E Branch, blue line extensions, and red-blue connector
I enjoyed the video, but I think it would have benefited from more specificity as to why Fred Salvucci was so insistent on Scheme Z over the alternatives.
What I’d be curious about, is whether he was insistent on project Z because it checked all the boxes and resulted in the least destruction of property?
The fact the actual solution wasn’t far from project Z, makes me wonder about what it was about project Z over the alternatives that made him so insistent about it.
the way you describe scheme Z as a clover intersection all packed into one corner makes a lot more sense now. Boy i tell ya. You miss your exit and you are screwed in this monster.
Also, having made it to episode 4 here, I never realised how *new* this, zakim, and frankly even the tunnels. I just thought they had been all built in the 1960s. I was born the year the ted williams tunnel was opened so not much frame of reference here. super interesting learning about this. How to build highways in colonial cities built for cattle carts is not ever so cut and dry
Really enjoying this video enhanced presentation of the podcast! Having pictures of the proposed bridge & ramp layout was incredibly helpful to show just how complex it was. The political cartoons were a nice bonus!
I lived in Boston (well, Brighton) from the summer of '85 through '88 and frankly I was pretty oblivious about all of this. Living in Los Angeles, I've been hearing a great deal about the ongoing construction of the high speed rail and experiencing the building of the city's light rail Metro lines. Hearing the behind the scenes perspectives on the efforts just to set up such large projects is so informative!
This has been interesting !
Looking forward to Episodes 5 thru 9 of your Big Dig Podcasts !
That Zakim Bridge is Beautiful ! ❤
Absolutely loving this series
Yay loving the inclusion of more images and visual media!!!!
Great series, been following it with interest
Outstanding documentary here. Bravo GBH !!!!!!
This is the best thing on the internet now and it's not even close.
This is a great series
Excellent stuff. Thank you!
the 1812 overture comes before the fireworks. the Artillery fires their 105 pack howitzers during the song.
I'm so glad we got the Zakim Bridge instead of "Scheme Z"
Too bad they never built that bloody North Station-South Station connection. That would have been a game changer.
I've never been to Boston but that Central Arerty looks SOOOO much like the one that is still in San Francisco. The elevated 101/80 freeway structure. It's turquoise, has those same curbs, narrow lanes and was built in 1957. Wonder when THAT's going to go?
At least it's been cut back to like half its original length.
I thought it would after the last quake
Can't believe they got Tony V. Love that dude
The one odd thing about the bridge is the fact that the two towers mimic the design of the Bunker Hill monument, which sort of takes away from the specialness of the monument.
wow! i love bridges!!
Boston born I thought the big dig would eliminate some traffic, eventually, I drove a rig through the whole process, huge employment project and it has worked out from my point of view, the only thing is the cost, I think it ended up costing 12 times more than the original projected cost, that's like someone quoting you a 100 bucks to mow your lawn, then telling you it's 1200 bucks, that's insane, if you or I did that, we'd be in Big dig trouble.
fantastic podcast
The most controversial thing about the bridge is that it was named after the wrong person. It should have been named the Bill Russell Bridge.
In Boston …. 😂
48:24 18 million dollars inflation per MONTH? that don't make sense to me. Did you maybe mean year instead of month? Edit: 18 million inflation in one year don't make sense either. Did you mean interest? Apparently, I'm missing something. Can someone help me understand?
When you stated... if anybody's ever watched a Red Sox or a Celtics game......why wouldn't you say a Bruins game too?
The only way to improve this series would have been to have less screen time of endless Boston traffic.
Size of Boston Common is 45 acres. A lot of area for the city but not really a huge area.
Those route 1 ramps that were causing such a stir, they loop over train tracks and a concrete company. Nowhere near any houses or even offices at the time. I"m not sure why they were making such a sink about it.
It sounds like you've never been to the East Cambridge waterfront as it is today. Or maybe you've only flown through on your car with the windows up...
@@NewBunny-vc2pm I'm not sure where exactly you are referring to or what your point is here.
@@JohnsTrainVideosdon't mind him he is a troll.
I wonder if his models of scheme z is on display somewhere ?
It was supposed to be named the Bunker Hill Bridge,
🤔 Well, from what I recall, Batman DID tell the Riddler that Batman would give the answer, but Batman went back on his word, sooo... 😏
The first one is the best option to be able to make sure you are doing a great job in the world 🌏 to be able
52:20 I don't love it. I hate it. It is unoriginal, is a design copied from other cities, not at all in keeping with Boston's character. was an unnecessary expense and does not hide the bowl of spaghetti that was unfortunately necessary unless you redesigned and rerouted route 1 and Sturrow Drive which in hindsight should have also been done, but noone even considered bringing up publicly. It makes the bowl of spaghetti next to it more obvious and more ugly like a band-aid on a broken nose
I’m driving through the tunnel now. Surreal🙃
The cost overruns of California's slow train to nowhere will make the Big Dig's costs seem like pocket change.
My gut is telling me Goldberg's airport parking lot was making a LOT more money than he was probably reporting to the IRS.
The Zakim Bridge is a sham IT IS THE BUNKER HILL BRIDGE!!!!!!
most people i know call it the bunker hill bridge
Omg so good
"I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers."
How ironic, that you see, the Zakim, as iconic. This exact design is built all over the world.. Cookie Cutter..!
It's called the Bunker Hill bridge.
It was said you would destroy the Sith, not join them!
ETA by Damon and Naomi
Get in touch with me. I worked on 7 Water Tunnels in Taxachusetts,I was on my first Job On the Central Artery Tunnel.
All sounds like a disaster.
Moronic ideas by self interest bureaucrats who would rather have a measuring contest over commonsensical thought processes to accomplish a goal bigger then their egos. The competitors game is the ruining of the fabric of meaningful conversation. Until the minset gets corrected then the redundancy of these failures will unfortunately continue ✌🏽♥️
"Beloved"?!
It's a monolithic post modern crappy decision taken by small committee & foisted on the many. Boston is a historic city so it's entrances should introduce visitors w/as old a style architecture as practical. Anyone will tell you the Government service building is butt ugly when informed of it's price tag (or at 1st glimpse for that matter.) A child can make brutal style w/beach sand. It takes real artisans to master stone, copper & wrought iron. Which is what the Zakim should've reflected. "Sails" indeed. Support wires that look like support wires
It’s all superfluous, since it was planned to be a regular highway bridge, the suspension parts aren’t doing anything. Look at the spacing of the supports and you’ll see it.
There are other bridges that do that well enough -- Longfellow Bridge, for instance
It is interesting to contrast scheme Z with the 3rd tunnel. The tunnel threatened a neighborhood so had actual grassroot opposition. Scheme Z is on top of an industrial zone, train yard and gravel pit that was never anything but ugly with no housing nearby. You can clearly see that is the case even if you look at the area today. That opposition was politically manufactured in comparison.
It sounds like you've never been to the East Cambridge waterfront as it is today. Or maybe you've only flown through on your car with the windows up...
Maybe this right wing Supreme Court has a few redeeming qualities
This bridge is terrible because it is a HIGHWAY
BoutTime2TearDownOldNetworkBuildNewOneGottaMakeNewArtificialGasTaxPayingJobsMakeGovernmentRichAgain?
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Citizens voice is a JOKE
I may not be conservative BUT the republicans are right about NEPA
This old crap keeps coming up, so "Don't recommend channel" is my choice!
Loving this series.