Weldtec Vs Action Van Suspension wheel travel flex test | 2wd Ford Econoline lift kit comparison

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  • @Jake_Builds
    @Jake_Builds 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Glad I could help!!!

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate the gesture man. Lifted Van meet November 1-3. I just want to see my friends happy and enjoying their van build. Action Van doesnt have the online presence like WTD and I have a few friends on the fence on Action Van Vs WTD. I have a ton of video up of my friends vans with both kits and a few of my friends made the move to AV because they can budget the price.
      Your video is going to get more people sitting on the fence to get off it and get lifted finally.

  • @TheOffroadCamper
    @TheOffroadCamper 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is interesting. I grew up in a 69 Econoline 200 poptop camper built by TEC, pics on profile. Our van was at stock height, but on a rockhounding in eastern Oregon, we pushed that 2 Wheel Dr. van and my grandfathers 2 Wheel Dr. for pick up truck to their absolute limits of articulation and suspension travel. Both vehicles had Posi rear differentials, we never got stuck. We were stranded with a blown tire from the sidewall puncture for about four hours. But we had so much articulation in that stock van that we could stuff the tires all the way up till he hit the bops and compress them. The down travel was pretty incredible, given as far as I know this was all stock OEM. The four twin Ibeam, was world renowned in its day for massive wheel travel and good ride quality.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most of my crew is running a 2wd Lifted Van. A couple of 4x4s will be there. I have a OX locker selectable locker and my goal is to find the limits of where you can enjoyably get these vans too.
      This upcoming meet will be a good challenge for the 2wd Lifted guys and easy work for the 4x4 guys.

  • @pf465
    @pf465 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don't have a van but am forever interested in cool stuff like this. Subscribed. Keep up the good work and I'll be watching

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate the support. November 1,2 and 3 Lifted Van meet. There might be up to 40 of this style van showing up. If you are into camping everyone is invited you don't need a Van to join us.

  • @thomasbrun8695
    @thomasbrun8695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    One thing I noticed is how much That_van_guyy had to cut his front fenders and even doors to get the tire to fit and flex. I know the Weld tech 6 inch kit pushes the front wheels FWD to compensate a bit. Love that both companies exist for us lifted econoline people 🤘

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He crammed 35s in his. Weldtec is suppose to accept 35s I believe you have to notch the I-beams and do a little trimming.
      Biggest tires I seen on a AV no cutting is 285-75-17 that's a 34.
      That's the tire size I will go with eventually. I'm at a 4:10 gear and with a 4:10 and 33s I'm at a 3:82 gear. So 34s I'll be at the stock 3:73.
      Av and WTD had allowed people to have the cool 4x4 look for the fraction of the price.
      Most of my friends are running AV or WTD and everyone I know loves their vans that's why we do meets. We're fanatics lol

    • @thomasbrun8695
      @thomasbrun8695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I have the WTD 6 on 35’s and had to do a little trimming to keep from rubbing up front . Even with 2 inch wheel spacers. Running 4:56 gears. Perfect combo Love my van 🙌

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@thomasbrun8695 Were you just going for more low end power that's why you went 4:56?
      I wanted to keep decent fuel economy thats why I didn't go 35s and 4:30 or 4:56 gears. I still get 16 MPG on road trips Grandma driving with the V10 engine.
      I still tow my Tracker like it's not there.

    • @brettfrederickson8060
      @brettfrederickson8060 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I owned 2 ford vans. 1 was built by east county alignment worked good . Next van my 2006 v10 ext 15 passenger. Jeremy at weld tech accessed what was needed and went to work. 2 weeks later the van was ready. Custom front coils and rear springs SDG did all the shock work limit straps changed suspension bushings and probably the best mod he had done for me was lsd and regear differential.one stop shopping was a time saver and made the transaction very simple

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brettfrederickson8060 Airing these vans down to 20 psi when you offroad Transforms these vans even with a open diff. Nice to see more van guys re-gearing and getting traction devices.

  • @JohnDrivesAnything
    @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Shoutout to Jake for responding to my last video. Check out his IG and YT channel. th-cam.com/channels/p65B--wD_9QTIRXIUtkD5A.html
    instagram.com/that_van_guyy/

  • @Datzneat
    @Datzneat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I posted my old action vans 2" leveling kit on Craigslist here in Portland. Converting to 4x4 on mine.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Congrats on the 4x4 Conversion. I looked it up and found your post. I think I remember you left me a comment a while back telling me Action Van did a 2 inch lift. Action Vans Website is straight out of 1999 and they don't advertise a lot of things they do.

  • @BigKahunaVan
    @BigKahunaVan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fork lift certified 👍🏽

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Weldtec fanboys with no lift kit giving lift kit advice to buy weldtec wont like this video lol

  • @katrinaassoumou1531
    @katrinaassoumou1531 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you so much and have an amazing day. Amen

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Getting my friends the info they want on lift kits!

  • @camposvazquez
    @camposvazquez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was told Action Van can't do jumps........

  • @bigfoote4x4
    @bigfoote4x4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m limited with my stock length break lines, mainly the rears. I also run 37s so my tire size is probably maxed out where I’m sure I would rub…. But I do have some flex photos on my IG. I think it does ok.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You got 4wd though! Looking forward to meeting you and seeing your van! A little more variety at this meet.

    • @bigfoote4x4
      @bigfoote4x4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@JohnDrivesAnything I tagged you on a few IG post showing the van climbing up some rocks.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@bigfoote4x4 Van Doing Jeep things!

  • @clarkleakins879
    @clarkleakins879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Reading some comments. Sway bar delete is a bad idea.
    Detachable end links better if you really need superior flex, butvi expect that would only be useful with a 4x4.
    I would like a front and rear sway bar. Prefer better road handling, 3 inch lift, rear lock differential for occasional loose gravel/mud/light snow.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Aprreciate the input and I hope people on the fence of Action Van or Weldtec sees your comment.
      I did not like how Weldtec deleted the sway bar. Action Van Suspension Retains it.
      When I had a Action Van lift on my last van the stability was rock solid. On this van with no sway bar on a windy day my van is wandering a lot.
      The big one people don't consider is if you get into a accident a good lawyer can say you lost control due to the lack of sway bar.
      I always recommended Action Van Suspension and one of the biggest reason is it retains the sway bar.
      Weldtec removes it for the sake of bragging about articulation. Here's the thing. When they lift RVs they keep the sway bar. WTD know sway bars are an important feature and removing it from their van lift kits for articulation bragging rights is not worth it to remove such an important component in my opinion.
      People who do go with Action Van are free to remove the sway bar and they will Flex as much as a Weldtec but I say keep it for safety and insurance liability.

  • @camposvazquez
    @camposvazquez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    More vans getting flex tested please

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ryans going to do it. Action Van Ultimate Kit running a sway bar. Curious to see how much the Sway bar limits the flex. I noticed Weldtec is starting to retain the sway bar now.......remember my video on insurance claims. You gave me that idea.

    • @sebastianslife91
      @sebastianslife91 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ha! 😂

  • @PozerAdultRacingTeam
    @PozerAdultRacingTeam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good morning van people. Worked last night, back again this morning. Got to make that money.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Get paid man! Worked Sat my day off!

    • @PozerAdultRacingTeam
      @PozerAdultRacingTeam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JohnDrivesAnything Yeah,but that's your thing. You are highly motivated.😉

  • @WeldtecDesigns
    @WeldtecDesigns 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    dope vid!

  • @BigTsPerspective
    @BigTsPerspective 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Depends on the rear . How far does the rear springs droop. Shock length a spring rates . The suspension only does what it’s limited to. Split beams get crazy flex with the right setup. Just peak under any truck with whoop scissors

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I this case Weldtec is not getting crazy flex because they are limited by Fox 2.0 Shocks. Decent lift kit mostly marketing hype.

  • @dirtydogvideo
    @dirtydogvideo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    i knew it was coming!

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I like to back up everything I say! I've always said AV is as good as WTD. I hope this video helps people on the fence.

  • @CHICOandtheVAN
    @CHICOandtheVAN 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Only question I have now is about drive train vibrating at speeds

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Out of all the people I hacve ever talked to only one person got a vibrating drive shaft. If you do end up going with AV I don't think Larry will send you out with a vibrating drive shaft. As far as I know he's treated all my friends great.

    • @sebastianslife91
      @sebastianslife91 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      None of that from mine

    • @sebastianslife91
      @sebastianslife91 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I didn't have any issues

  • @Ryanhall-s1o
    @Ryanhall-s1o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'll get ya another action van flex test video

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hopefully me and you can do a test with both of our vans. Both Extended running basic rear lift bocks. I know Weldtec did their test with the expensive leaf pack.

    • @Ryanhall-s1o
      @Ryanhall-s1o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JohnDrivesAnything I'm down!!!!!!!

  • @dlansburg2673
    @dlansburg2673 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hope you stick around. My goal is to be the best most informative lifted van channel on youtube.

  • @veterantraveller-dq4re
    @veterantraveller-dq4re 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My only concern about AV lift kit is the 6in drop pitman arm leveraging the "shaft" that it attaches to on the steering box.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I had a AV lift for 7 years total in my last van and didn't have a problem. I would talk to people in this group who have Action Vans. When I do the meet again I'lll show all the vans and lift kits so you can ask Action Van lifted van guys questions.
      I know Action Vans send 2 different drop Pitman arms for their kits if you install it yourself.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is the guy who owns Action Vans personal van. He actually drives a Econoline with his companys lift kit and goes off roading. The guy who runs Weldtec has a fancy 4x4 GM van
      th-cam.com/video/-fk2yG5TrZ0/w-d-xo.html

    • @sebastianslife91
      @sebastianslife91 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not even a concern. Action van geometry is perfect

    • @hedlcm
      @hedlcm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The pitman arm is thicker and seats much better than stock

  • @sebastianslife91
    @sebastianslife91 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Weldtech Cons
    1. No sway bar
    2. Narrow tire with
    3. 3in rear blocks
    4. Bronco Skyjacker coils
    5. Bent I- beams
    6. Stock I-beam brackets
    7. Overpriced
    8. Double doughnut radius bushing
    9. No steering stabilizer
    10. Jeremy Johnson.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      NGL #10 made me lol for real.
      #1 Don't like how the sway bar is deleted. If you get into an accident a good lawyer can say you lost control because of no sway bar. Now Weldtec gives you the option to keep it. $500 extra
      #2. Narrower means less stable on top of of no sway bar.
      #3 I need an add a leaf
      #4 My lift kit has been in 3+ years and I noticed its sitting lower then JaviWasabis van. He also has a Weldtec. My springs are losing height. Springs made for a 4500 pound SUV in a 6500 pound van
      #5 A good lawyer can say youu have Bent I beams that caused you to lose control. It says do not bend
      #6 I think OEM brackets are fine.
      #7 Its actually $7000 installed now. Ask Larry what does it cost to get thier base kit installed.
      #8 Action Van Base Kit has double donut but they go Heim on the Ultimate Arm. For Weldtec price it should be Heim not Double Donuts.
      #9 Its Extra, just like a Sway bar.
      #10 yeah that made me lol for real

  • @veterantraveller-dq4re
    @veterantraveller-dq4re 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I want to lift my van So Bad!

  • @JillMorgan
    @JillMorgan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    See ya Nov Meet up … I’m gonna be lookin close 🤣🤣

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This meet is getting bigger and bigger. Hopefully Mister Action Van Suspension shows up at this one.

    • @JillMorgan
      @JillMorgan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JohnDrivesAnything I got a lot of questions for Larry 🤣🤣

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JillMorgan I have a couple of stock height friends showing up. I'll tell Larry he has to come to this meet lol

    • @JillMorgan
      @JillMorgan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JohnDrivesAnything 🤣🤣

  • @sebastianslife91
    @sebastianslife91 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can lift 2 vans for the price on wtd vs Action Van

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Weldtec is decent but it's mostly marketing hype. WTD claims they have the best Econoline lift kit. I make these videos to report facts not hype. I just want people to get the most out of their money. Action Van is the better deal hands down by far. But if people love Weldtecs channel by all means spend the extra $3000 as a Thank you to Weldtec.

  • @tr-lj2vx
    @tr-lj2vx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you want a lift for looks or a little more ground clearance, just about any lift would be fine. If you NEED more than just a basic lift you are best off going to an off-road shop where they can customize your front end to be anything from a good quality lift all the way up to king of the hammer level trucks.
    Weldtech is all hype, even their 4wd conversions are laughable.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes sir. I said it straight up on another video. A Action Van Lift kit or Weldtec lift kit is the equivalent on a Rough Country basic lift kit. It's nothing high end. Weldtec Advertises their stuff like you are getting a Trophy Truck. This isn't long Travel.
      If you look up a Rough Country Ford Ranger lift it's $1000. A long Travel Ranger lift is $8000.
      That's why I always recommended Action Van to anyone just wanting a lift and more ground clearance. Even at $3500 installed that's a lot of money. Weldtec at $7000 + installed now is ridiculous for what you are actually getting.
      When I got mine in 2021 it was 4400 and Action Van was 2900 installed and even at 4400 I felt like it was over hyped.
      Weldtec is all marketing all hype and hats off to them for getting away with $7000 installs for a basic non long travel lift kit.
      I hope people see your comment and really do their research. If you look at the comment section I already got a Weldtec fanboy mad at me for this video.

    • @tr-lj2vx
      @tr-lj2vx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JohnDrivesAnything I'm on your side, I'm not a fan of weldtech !
      I don't have any experience with Action van so I don't even have an opinion about them.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@tr-lj2vx I'm just trying to steer people in the right direction. Your comment is spot on and I hope people see it. When you review things honestly you will always upset fans.
      So when more people their analysis in the comment section people doing research will get more feed back.
      Most of my friends have AV or WTD and my friends no I'm just trying to help people spend their money wisely. I'm mindful of peoples feelings and In all honesty I think AV is better then Weldtec because it retains the sway bar and doesn't suck in the front with 2 inches like Weldtecs lift does so it's a better street driven lift kit. If you want to flex as much as a Weldtec take the sway bar off.
      I'm not even getting into potential insurance liabilities. Weldtec bends I-Beams, Ibeams have DO NOT BEND stamped on them. Get into an accident and a good lawyer can blame bent I-Beams or lack of sway bar for your accident.
      This video was made because I have friends who can afford a $3500 install and not a $7000 install.
      They want an AV but don't want to feel like they got the inferior lift.
      I'm putting the data out there that AV flexes as much and in this case more then the Weldtec.
      I just want to see my buddies with cool lifted vans.
      Like you said man custom off road shop can build something way better then these 2 off the shelf kits.
      A real Trophy truck had Custom I-Beams. Bending beams and slapping on Fox 2.0 shocks doesn't create a trophy truck.

  • @samuelfox8126
    @samuelfox8126 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You said it, you wanted to look cool.
    Because of the marketing, Weldtec is much more well known. That would make it the cooler lift kit to have on your van. And now you regret spending the extra $2k.
    Weldtec is a for profit business. They did their job. And delivered on a better than stock ride promise.
    That's like hating on Nike when you can't dunk like Jordan.
    Someone not caught up in looking cool would've just gotten another Action Van lift kit because you already had one and liked it. That's on you bro.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No regrets at all. Since I have had both lift kits I can give my honest unbiased recommendation to people wanting a lifted van. The $2000 price gap install vs install is up to $3000 now. A lot of my friends could not budget a Weldtec lift and went with Action Van and are really impressed.
      Made lots of friends making lifted van content and reviews and it was cool of Jake to send me a Action Van Flex video to show that Weldtec is a lot of marketing hype and people on the fence might make the jump to AV now because now they know Weldtec doesn't blow AV away.
      I said it before and I'll say it again I have never tried to talk anyone out of buying a Weldtec. Most of my friends have AV or WTD.
      I just want to see my friends happy and enjoying this as much as I do. I hope you are too. God Bless you.

  • @flexxi8000
    @flexxi8000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why are you so obsessed with weldtec designs?

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm not allowed to make comparison videos? I noticed Weldtec fans like to say Weldtec is the best without any data. They just take WTDs word for it.
      I'm doing my best to give people actual facts. I made friends with both WTDs and AVs. Someone said hey I'll get my AV on a fork lift for you so you can expand on this topic.
      So I showed both WTD and AV flexing and I'm letting people know if you want a lift and cant Afford WTDs $7000 install price AV is $3500 and flexes as much
      What's the problem? Looking at the comments it looks like people appreciate the data because they want to spend their money wisely.
      Did you miss the part where I say if you are a Weldtec fan and you appreciate their content spending the extra money on their lift is a great way to say thank you to them.

  • @AmusedDaffodils-mz5rw
    @AmusedDaffodils-mz5rw หลายเดือนก่อน

    Action vans

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lots of Action Vans here ! th-cam.com/video/WTLDDjtUdnM/w-d-xo.html

  • @williamsantiago7303
    @williamsantiago7303 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    62 hundred is way to much for a 2wd lift kit.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Weldtec is up to $7000 installed now. Crazy for a basic lift kit. Nothing high end about WTD icing on the cake is Bronco lift coils up front. Springs for a 4500 pound vehicle on vehicles as big as 12000 pound RVs.

  • @slamboy66
    @slamboy66 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Quit crying. These lifts are not for flex. It is for clearance and ride. You want flex buy a JEEP.

    • @JohnDrivesAnything
      @JohnDrivesAnything  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Weldtec brags about their product having the most flex and putting down their competition. Someone with the competitions Lift Kit put their van on a fork lift to show it has as much flex as Weldtec. Just putting out videos to entertain and inform people who enjoy this topic. Just having some fun man.