Kocsis aveva tutto: eccezionale temperamento musicale, tecnica colossale (una delle migliori al mondo), infallibilità esecutiva, senso altissimo della forma musicale dei brani che eseguiva, la dote - quanto mai scarsa in molti pianisti contemporanei - della immediatezza comunicativa in ciò che suonava e, dote altrettanto importante - una grande umanità, senza la quale è impossibile essere veri musicisti. Sotto le sue dita il concerto 2 di Rachmaninov diventa un autentico capolavoro, privo di quelle lagne e sdolcinature sentimentaleggianti cui indulgono molti pianisti - ieri e oggi - e Kocsis ha reso giustizia a questo celebre lavoro di Rachmaninov. La perdita di Kocsis per il mondo musicale non sarà mai rimpianta abbastanza ed è stata un colpo durissimo per la musica e l'arte pianistica
And his performance of the 3rd concerto, About 10 minutes shorter than the overblown versions one hears so often. Again, he plays it at the composer's tempo. The only pianist of the last half century in the same stratosphere as Richter and Michelangeli. I am only sorry he did not travel much. if he did play in London in the last 30 years of his life I was not aware.
NOT TRUE! Rachmaninov himself and Zoltan Kocsis not The greatest Best Rach concerto no 2 players! The Best greatest Rachmaninov piano concerto no 2 players Are really= 1: Sviatoslav Richter ( The most monumental! Richter The Best structure of music! ) 2:, Grigory Sokolov ( The most vital rhythmic Beat! Sokolov unbeatable vitalness! ) 3:Earl Wild!!! 4: Rosa Tamarkina ( The most fierce! Rosa The most passion!) 5: Stanislav Igolinsky ( Igolinsky The most beautiful version Ever!! Igolinsky better than Lipatti!! My money My list says Igolinsky better than Lipatti! Lipatti played of course Chopin 1 Bach 1 Schumann Mozart 21 concertos) 6:Van Cliburn! Why Van Cliburn because Van Cliburn better than The Mechanical Boring dull stiff machine player Ever Krystian Zimerman!!).7: Andrei Gavrilov ( The Only one who follows the correct tempo score notes both Rach 2 and Tchaikovsky piano concerto no 1)
@@RaineriHakkarainen Thank you for naming other pianists some of whose performances of the Rach 2 I know and enjoy. I am unfamiliar with Tamarkina and Igolinsky but will try to track down their recordings (if they made such, of course). Painting, sculpture, and literature have the advantage over music that their works are not performed, the only exception that comes readily to mind is poetry, which is sometimes, though not often, recited. I am occasionally disappointed, even bitterly, when hearing a work of music performed. Usually, however, I can find something worthwhile even in an other than less worthwhile essay of a work like the Rach 2. In the performances by the artists you name & with whom I'm familiar, I find something enjoyable in each; they are all worthwhile. Which is better? Which, the best? I'd rather say which I prefer to listen to more or most often; for I find none of them the best. I listen to them according to my mood and am grateful that there are as many satisfying performances as there are.
Guess what?? You’re wrong! *There IS no such thing as a “best pianist,” or “Best ANYTHING” in the Arts,* because there is no objective measure for such a proclamation! At best, a person can only rank his/her _favorites,_ so I laugh when someone suddenly-and ignorantly-decides his favorite pianist is therefore the very best in the world! It’s just laughable! It also betrays a decidedly negative mindset, to listen to great artists only to be negative, instead of glorying in their awe inspiring gifts!
@@RaineriHakkarainen Who are we to judge that certain great pianist is better than Rachmaninov in playing Rachmaninov? 😁 As a (amateur) pianist myself, I can tell that Rachmaninov's pianism is hard to equal even in playing other composers music, and that the way he plays is exactly the way he wants to play, he was above any technical difficulty, his technique was over human. And, well, he played his own concertos as he meant they should be played, cause of course, he wrote them. Oh, and do you have info of any recording of Lipatti playing Rachmaninov? Cause Igorlinski playing Rach 2 is hard to compare with Lipatti playing Chopin 1 🤭 Check Lipatti playing Schumann concerto (the last one recorded, with Ansermet and Suisse Romande) and tell if you can find any better 😏
It's mindblowing how good this sounds. Despite having heard this concerto dozens of times, this particular rendition touches me as if I were listening to it for the first time.
Wow, I can hear the flutes so clearly at @17:16. And the horns/winds @18:09 (it makes the passage glow, almost luminous). Damn even in the first movement I've never heard the wind parts so clearly before @4:50. I think R's usage of winds in this concerto is truly marvelous, perhaps beyond words --- oboe @3:18, horn @7:10, clarinets and flutes throughout Mvt. 2, bassoon @21:50 and the orchestra solo passage before the piano (this last passage especially I find particularly moving for some reason, especially when the line rises @21:56; the bassoon accompaniment is so simple in the orchestra solo and piano "solo" part, but yet when I hear it (particularly in R's own recording) I am filled with such longing. Maybe it's the low, warbling vibrato/timbre of the bassoon, almost like a human voice). EDIT 6/22/23: also never noticed clarinets @24:14 before, bassoon melody at end of horn passage mentioned above @7:25. EDIT 7/25/24: and the tremendous flute vibrato @10:44! In the context of all these winds, the climactic falling (almost) chromatic scale @11:03 played by the winds is all the sweeter. The (differing: flute vs. oboe!) timbre of the interjections @13:57, @14:11, especially contrasted with the interlaced string line in the background.
Very muscular rendition. Lots of fiery aspect ruminating. It’s certainly good and refreshing that from time to time we come upon an artist that grasps the scope of a genius’ work to make it a novelty unexpected. Sometimes we are in danger of emotional and intellectual stagnation. This pianist is brand new to me. Happy to listen with open ears and heart. PWG
Egyszerűen fantasztkus, ahogyan megmutatja ennek a grand-seigneurnek (Rachmaninovnak) minden értékét, hihetetlen virtuozitással és lényeglátással, formakultúrával bizonyítva, hogy mégsem szimfonikus könnyűzene ez. Már akkor is egyszerűen páratlan volt a jelenléte. Rettenetes űr maradt utána.
háááát, nem t'om. mindamellett, hogy nyilván 100-szor jobban zongorázott, mint bármelyikünk együttvéve, de ebben a darabban időnként (főleg az elején, talán idegességből) elég erőszakosan rángatta maga után a zenekart mindenféle túlkarikírozott tempó- és dinamika váltásokkal. életében is ilyen volt: öntörvényű, tiszteletlen, dinamikus. nekem Yuja Wang a kedvencem Rachmaninov terén, mert nagyon érzékeny és harmonikus: th-cam.com/video/gnAQIRqvVYQ/w-d-xo.html
@@ohforchristssake1 , harmadikos gimnazistaként ott voltam ezen a koncerten, és persze korántsem tudtam megfogalmazni ekkor még, hogy mivel varázsol ez a fickó, de igen, a zenét mindig az öntörvényű, tiszteletlen és dinamikus emberek mozgatták tovább - lásd Bartók felháborító Chopin-játékát, Brendel Liszt-felfogását és sorolhatnám. Mindent hallok az ő játékában, ami fontos, illetve: az ő számára sokkal több minden fontos, mint annyi más tisztes zongorista számára - annyival többször lepődöm meg Kocsis gondolatain, hogy ez maga vonzó, még akkor is, ha én sem feltétlenül értek vele egyet. Azonban rendkívüli, hogy egy embernek ennyi gondolata legyen egy ilyen, sokszor másodvonalba sorolt szerzőről, mint Rachmaninov. Gyakorlatilag ő honosította meg nálunk.
Kocsist én is nagyra tartottam (bár egyik oka volt annak, hogy nem a zenei pályát válaszottam), és általában nagyon élvezem az előadásait, de ez nekem, Csongor Hajnához hasonlóan, elsietettnek, kapkodónak tűnik. A "hihetetlen virtuozitással" nincs baj, ahogyan pl. Cziffra György esetében sem, de őt se mindenki szerette. Itt annak ellenére hiányoznak hangsúlyok, főleg az utolsó tételben, hogy a zenekar megadja. Messze nem a kedvenc Rachmaninov-felvételem. Nálam Askenazi viszi a prímet, meg persze Argerich, hogy csak egy párat említsek.
@@ohforchristssake1 Yuja Wangot bármilyen téren is preferálni, mint alternatíva a zongorázás 250 éves tradíciójának szembeköpése. Pláne olyan banális közhelyekkel megtámogatva, mint "érzékeny" és "harmonikus", amik igazándiból előadóművészeti szempontból nem jelentenek semmit. Persze, létezik olyan ember aki inkább egy kannásbort inna meg szívesen mondjuk egy Romanée-Conti helyett, de attól még nem lesz igaza.
Esse pianista húngaro mostrou à que veio, um Rachmaninoff autêntico, sem copiar o convencional. Foi indiscutivelmente a melhor execução que ouvi, imbatível. Marcos Leite, pianista/ professor.
Welche Virtuosität. Aufrichtigkeit. Männlich. Sensibel. Melodisch. Pulsende Rhythmus. Wenn es Zeit fordert, gibt der hervorragende Pianist eben das für sich und uns. Einfach Meisterstück. Doch Rachmaninoffs wunderbares Werk da. Seltsam jedenfalls mit dieserlei Schöpfentum interpretiert...
Um dos concertos preferidos, obrigado por postar, o pianista esta celebrando com Deus é merecedor pois batalhor para alcançar o céu, com sua música maravilhosa.
Bravo bravo ,Maestro Kocsis...!!!! Que dolor que ya no esté!! Pero no sé puede dejar de disfrutar esas extraordinarias y únicas interpretaciones. Con velocidad ! Con expresión !!...la Sonata a dos pianos de Mozat,por ejemplo ...es impresionante como la ejecutaba. Junto a un pianista coterraneo!!
Somehow I really like this speed, it makes it less schmaltzy, its still so emotional, but its like the person in love doesn't need to show off that they're in love..what do you all think?
Yes, Rachmaninov's own duration is 30 min exactly, and the hardest 3. PC is 35 min. High speed doesn’t ruin the essence of music because virtuosity is included. It is precisely the slowdown that can kill the essence of this music. Rachmaninov's melodies can still be very sweet. Definitely, sharply draw the melodies, otherwise they will be boring. Kocsis was able to do that brilliantly.
I was introduced to this concerto with the Brailovski recording and that was rather fast. I have always preferred faster tempi for this concerto even though it works for me when played more slowly as in the Kissin youtube video. I have to agree with flying pen and paper though that I also find this Kocsis performance, while wonderful, "just a touch too fast".
There's something jaugar-like about Kocsis' performances of Rachmaninoff concertos. You feel like he's a predator stalking you with his unrelenting cat-like leaps into God-like technical prowess. At other times he purrs like a kitten.
Z's technique was probably too good for his own good. I sometimes find his interpretations rushed, but holy hell, if I had that technique, I would be at the race track as well. But no matter the tempo, he always brought heart to whatever piece..
@@patrickwhiting4831 I had the same impression. Closest to the pure piano version I saw a recording about Zoltán Kocsis mentoring a younger pianist and playing the orchestral parts for him in a duet. Dunno if there are scores written specifically for that purpose.
A finále gyors szakaszai számomra is elsietettek, helyenként szinte kapkodók. Rá ez gyakran volt jellemző. De remek előadó volt, sokáig fogunk rá emlékezni.
Ez volt Rachmaninov tempója.... A II. zgv. 30 perc, a III. 35, se több, se kevesebb. Egy ideig csak a szerző tudta lejátszani... De Kocsisnál nemcsak a technika félelmetes, hanem a rajzolatok, hogy mindent hallok, ami fontos, és hogy miből rakja össze. Ezt a zongoristák jó része nem képes megmutatni, sajnos. "Teknika" van, muzsika, ami egy gyönyörű rend, már sokkal kevesebb, mára sokaknál eltűnt. Ezért is pótolhatatlan Kocsis. Hallga meg a nagy Bartók-szonátát, vagy a Rachmaninov-szonátát vele.... nagyon-nagyon kevesen érik be őt....
Ha csak 29:42-től a kódát végighallgatom... ennél precízebb viharzást nagyon keveset hallottam. A zenekar meg nagyon jó napot fogott ki, és nekem pont Kocsis miatt tetszik, hogy a keverés során a zongorának egy mákszemnyivel több kakaót adtak, mint szokásos...
@@sziklaszilard8413 Used Google translate cause I don't speak Hungarian but I feel I have to make a clarification here: only one single Yuja Wang recording was made in a studio, and that is the "Fantasia" CD. The well-known Abbado/Mahler Chamber Orchestra CD with this concerto was taken from a concert, in Venice if I well remember. She actually doesn't like to do studio recordings, "Fantasia" was an exception cause she liked the theme.
Not a fan of this brutally insensitive performance, and Kocsis is one of my six all-time favorite pianists, a man who gave us gorgeously musical and colorful performances of Debussy, Mozart, Bartok, and other composers.
Zoltan plays this concerto too fast...Not even Rachmaninoff himself played this concerto this fast for fastness sack.....The concerto loses its romanticism when one plays in this frantic fashion.....
Bart, this is the original speed. I can feel so mich emotion and nuance within this performance, I tend to come back and have a listen every once in a while.
Rachmaninoff himself played it in this tempo! don't know why people are mad. In my opinion it's better with this speed, it gives this concerto more flow. Unlike some other people playing this concerto like it's a funeral song lol.
JUST PERFECT
Kocsis aveva tutto: eccezionale temperamento musicale, tecnica colossale (una delle migliori al mondo), infallibilità esecutiva, senso altissimo della forma musicale dei brani che eseguiva, la dote - quanto mai scarsa in molti pianisti contemporanei - della immediatezza comunicativa in ciò che suonava e, dote altrettanto importante - una grande umanità, senza la quale è impossibile essere veri musicisti. Sotto le sue dita il concerto 2 di Rachmaninov diventa un autentico capolavoro, privo di quelle lagne e sdolcinature sentimentaleggianti cui indulgono molti pianisti - ieri e oggi - e Kocsis ha reso giustizia a questo celebre lavoro di Rachmaninov. La perdita di Kocsis per il mondo musicale non sarà mai rimpianta abbastanza ed è stata un colpo durissimo per la musica e l'arte pianistica
Beautifully put, Vincenzo. I agree totally.
The Only Pianist To Play At Rachmaninoff’s Intended Tempo .......besides Rachmaninoff Himself ! ………Two Giants in This Miraculous Recording !!!!
And his performance of the 3rd concerto, About 10 minutes shorter than the overblown versions one hears so often. Again, he plays it at the composer's tempo. The only pianist of the last half century in the same stratosphere as Richter and Michelangeli. I am only sorry he did not travel much. if he did play in London in the last 30 years of his life I was not aware.
NOT TRUE! Rachmaninov himself and Zoltan Kocsis not The greatest Best Rach concerto no 2 players! The Best greatest Rachmaninov piano concerto no 2 players Are really= 1: Sviatoslav Richter ( The most monumental! Richter The Best structure of music! ) 2:, Grigory Sokolov ( The most vital rhythmic Beat! Sokolov unbeatable vitalness! ) 3:Earl Wild!!! 4: Rosa Tamarkina ( The most fierce! Rosa The most passion!) 5: Stanislav Igolinsky ( Igolinsky The most beautiful version Ever!! Igolinsky better than Lipatti!! My money My list says Igolinsky better than Lipatti! Lipatti played of course Chopin 1 Bach 1 Schumann Mozart 21 concertos) 6:Van Cliburn! Why Van Cliburn because Van Cliburn better than The Mechanical Boring dull stiff machine player Ever Krystian Zimerman!!).7: Andrei Gavrilov ( The Only one who follows the correct tempo score notes both Rach 2 and Tchaikovsky piano concerto no 1)
@@RaineriHakkarainen Thank you for naming other pianists some of whose performances of the Rach 2 I know and enjoy. I am unfamiliar with Tamarkina and Igolinsky but will try to track down their recordings (if they made such, of course).
Painting, sculpture, and literature have the advantage over music that their works are not performed, the only exception that comes readily to mind is poetry, which is sometimes, though not often, recited.
I am occasionally disappointed, even bitterly, when hearing a work of music performed. Usually, however, I can find something worthwhile even in an other than less worthwhile essay of a work like the Rach 2.
In the performances by the artists you name & with whom I'm familiar, I find something enjoyable in each; they are all worthwhile. Which is better? Which, the best? I'd rather say which I prefer to listen to more or most often; for I find none of them the best. I listen to them according to my mood and am grateful that there are as many satisfying performances as there are.
Guess what?? You’re wrong! *There IS no such thing as a “best pianist,” or “Best ANYTHING” in the Arts,* because there is no objective measure for such a proclamation! At best, a person can only rank his/her _favorites,_ so I laugh when someone suddenly-and ignorantly-decides his favorite pianist is therefore the very best in the world! It’s just laughable! It also betrays a decidedly negative mindset, to listen to great artists only to be negative, instead of glorying in their awe inspiring gifts!
@@RaineriHakkarainen Who are we to judge that certain great pianist is better than Rachmaninov in playing Rachmaninov? 😁 As a (amateur) pianist myself, I can tell that Rachmaninov's pianism is hard to equal even in playing other composers music, and that the way he plays is exactly the way he wants to play, he was above any technical difficulty, his technique was over human. And, well, he played his own concertos as he meant they should be played, cause of course, he wrote them. Oh, and do you have info of any recording of Lipatti playing Rachmaninov? Cause Igorlinski playing Rach 2 is hard to compare with Lipatti playing Chopin 1 🤭 Check Lipatti playing Schumann concerto (the last one recorded, with Ansermet and Suisse Romande) and tell if you can find any better 😏
Das ist live wohl eine der besten Aufnahmen, die es von diesem Konzert gibt..... Wenn nicht die beste.......
It's mindblowing how good this sounds. Despite having heard this concerto dozens of times, this particular rendition touches me as if I were listening to it for the first time.
Wow, I can hear the flutes so clearly at @17:16. And the horns/winds @18:09 (it makes the passage glow, almost luminous). Damn even in the first movement I've never heard the wind parts so clearly before @4:50. I think R's usage of winds in this concerto is truly marvelous, perhaps beyond words --- oboe @3:18, horn @7:10, clarinets and flutes throughout Mvt. 2, bassoon @21:50 and the orchestra solo passage before the piano (this last passage especially I find particularly moving for some reason, especially when the line rises @21:56; the bassoon accompaniment is so simple in the orchestra solo and piano "solo" part, but yet when I hear it (particularly in R's own recording) I am filled with such longing. Maybe it's the low, warbling vibrato/timbre of the bassoon, almost like a human voice).
EDIT 6/22/23: also never noticed clarinets @24:14 before, bassoon melody at end of horn passage mentioned above @7:25.
EDIT 7/25/24: and the tremendous flute vibrato @10:44! In the context of all these winds, the climactic falling (almost) chromatic scale @11:03 played by the winds is all the sweeter. The (differing: flute vs. oboe!) timbre of the interjections @13:57, @14:11, especially contrasted with the interlaced string line in the background.
Sok tehetséges zongoristánk van, Kocsis azonban egészen különleges, egyedülálló....de jó, hogy megvannak ezek a felvételek!
Köszönjük a közzétételt!
Nincs mit!
Volt:-( persze a szelleme nem múlik el soha. És jó pár éve megvannak az utódai.
Például a fia, Kocsis Krisztián 🇭🇺
Such a brilliant artist.
Very muscular rendition. Lots of fiery aspect ruminating. It’s certainly good and refreshing that from time to time we come upon an artist that grasps the scope of a genius’ work to make it a novelty unexpected. Sometimes we are in danger of emotional and intellectual stagnation. This pianist is brand new to me. Happy to listen with open ears and heart. PWG
Possibly the greatest pianist of the last 50 years. A real genius, a composer, arranger, conductor, but above all what a pianist.
Oh boy, you're in for a treat, then :) I rate Kocsis up there with the best of the best.
I still miss him!!!
Meghatóan fiatal ezen a fotón.....és ráadásul ez a zene.....sírok....
I've been listening to this every day for a week or so. Can't get enough of it.
Henrik Rónai It was the same with me.
Magyarul!
@@sziklaszilard8413 A zenének nincs preferált nyelve, de az angolt értik a legtöbben.
Hülye!
@@sziklaszilard8413 tetszenek a jól megfontolt, sziklaszilárd lábakon álló intellektuális érveid.
Egyszerűen fantasztkus, ahogyan megmutatja ennek a grand-seigneurnek (Rachmaninovnak) minden értékét, hihetetlen virtuozitással és lényeglátással, formakultúrával bizonyítva, hogy mégsem szimfonikus könnyűzene ez. Már akkor is egyszerűen páratlan volt a jelenléte. Rettenetes űr maradt utána.
háááát, nem t'om. mindamellett, hogy nyilván 100-szor jobban zongorázott, mint bármelyikünk együttvéve, de ebben a darabban időnként (főleg az elején, talán idegességből) elég erőszakosan rángatta maga után a zenekart mindenféle túlkarikírozott tempó- és dinamika váltásokkal. életében is ilyen volt: öntörvényű, tiszteletlen, dinamikus. nekem Yuja Wang a kedvencem Rachmaninov terén, mert nagyon érzékeny és harmonikus: th-cam.com/video/gnAQIRqvVYQ/w-d-xo.html
@@ohforchristssake1 , harmadikos gimnazistaként ott voltam ezen a koncerten, és persze korántsem tudtam megfogalmazni ekkor még, hogy mivel varázsol ez a fickó, de igen, a zenét mindig az öntörvényű, tiszteletlen és dinamikus emberek mozgatták tovább - lásd Bartók felháborító Chopin-játékát, Brendel Liszt-felfogását és sorolhatnám. Mindent hallok az ő játékában, ami fontos, illetve: az ő számára sokkal több minden fontos, mint annyi más tisztes zongorista számára - annyival többször lepődöm meg Kocsis gondolatain, hogy ez maga vonzó, még akkor is, ha én sem feltétlenül értek vele egyet. Azonban rendkívüli, hogy egy embernek ennyi gondolata legyen egy ilyen, sokszor másodvonalba sorolt szerzőről, mint Rachmaninov. Gyakorlatilag ő honosította meg nálunk.
@@sziklaszilard8413 annyiban igen, hogy szeretnék tudni úgy zongorázni, mint ő tudott ...
Kocsist én is nagyra tartottam (bár egyik oka volt annak, hogy nem a zenei pályát válaszottam), és általában nagyon élvezem az előadásait, de ez nekem, Csongor Hajnához hasonlóan, elsietettnek, kapkodónak tűnik. A "hihetetlen virtuozitással" nincs baj, ahogyan pl. Cziffra György esetében sem, de őt se mindenki szerette. Itt annak ellenére hiányoznak hangsúlyok, főleg az utolsó tételben, hogy a zenekar megadja. Messze nem a kedvenc Rachmaninov-felvételem. Nálam Askenazi viszi a prímet, meg persze Argerich, hogy csak egy párat említsek.
@@ohforchristssake1 Yuja Wangot bármilyen téren is preferálni, mint alternatíva a zongorázás 250 éves tradíciójának szembeköpése. Pláne olyan banális közhelyekkel megtámogatva, mint "érzékeny" és "harmonikus", amik igazándiból előadóművészeti szempontból nem jelentenek semmit. Persze, létezik olyan ember aki inkább egy kannásbort inna meg szívesen mondjuk egy Romanée-Conti helyett, de attól még nem lesz igaza.
Even if I listen to it again
Kocsis is KOCSIS.
Movement I - 00:00
Movement II - 09:22
Movement III - 19:27
Esse pianista húngaro mostrou à que veio, um Rachmaninoff autêntico, sem copiar o convencional.
Foi indiscutivelmente a melhor execução que ouvi, imbatível.
Marcos Leite, pianista/ professor.
Az összes létező előadást végig hallgattam.Ilyen csodával nem találkoztam.
Ha Rachmaninov, akkor Kocsis, vita nincs!..
Não me canso de ouvir , sensibilidade e técnica , grande interpretação
Welche Virtuosität. Aufrichtigkeit. Männlich. Sensibel. Melodisch. Pulsende Rhythmus. Wenn es Zeit fordert, gibt der hervorragende Pianist eben das für sich und uns. Einfach Meisterstück. Doch Rachmaninoffs wunderbares Werk da. Seltsam jedenfalls mit dieserlei Schöpfentum interpretiert...
Goose bumps...
Ilyenkor nagyon büszke vagyok a magyarságomra!
Én is
Dettó
Ilyenkor is.
A zenéje által még sokáig emlékezünk rá.
Um dos concertos preferidos, obrigado por postar, o pianista esta celebrando com Deus é merecedor pois batalhor para alcançar o céu, com sua música maravilhosa.
A leggyönyörűségesebb zene.
Bravo bravo ,Maestro Kocsis...!!!! Que dolor que ya no esté!! Pero no sé puede dejar de disfrutar esas extraordinarias y únicas interpretaciones. Con velocidad ! Con expresión !!...la Sonata a dos pianos de Mozat,por ejemplo ...es impresionante como la ejecutaba. Junto a un pianista coterraneo!!
What a loss. RIP
what a gift
@@zaratoustravail I think OP meant Kocsis' death. It was like 2 years ago. If I had to guess, just before this comment was written.
Indeed. He was taken from us much too soon. His interpretations of Debussy are not to be missed as well. Alas.
29:21 Feels like there's a choir.
Heavnly... Luminous... How did they pulled off this kind of sonority??
Играет настоящий солист который ведет оркестр и слушателей за собой❤
Somehow I really like this speed, it makes it less schmaltzy, its still so emotional, but its like the person in love doesn't need to show off that they're in love..what do you all think?
I agree in general, but I think this is just a touch too fast.
That’s how Rachmaninov himself plays it!
Yes, Rachmaninov's own duration is 30 min exactly, and the hardest 3. PC is 35 min. High speed doesn’t ruin the essence of music because virtuosity is included. It is precisely the slowdown that can kill the essence of this music. Rachmaninov's melodies can still be very sweet. Definitely, sharply draw the melodies, otherwise they will be boring. Kocsis was able to do that brilliantly.
I was introduced to this concerto with the Brailovski recording and that was rather fast. I have always preferred faster tempi for this concerto even though it works for me when played more slowly as in the Kissin youtube video. I have to agree with flying pen and paper though that I also find this Kocsis performance, while wonderful, "just a touch too fast".
There's something jaugar-like about Kocsis' performances of Rachmaninoff
concertos. You feel like he's a predator stalking you with his
unrelenting cat-like leaps into God-like technical prowess. At other
times he purrs like a kitten.
feeling that he would like to eat the orchestra : -)
Egyszerűen erre nincsenek szavak❤️!
A zene univerzális nyelv, mint a matematika. K.Z. ezt a nyelvet jól értette és felső fokon beszélte, tolmácsolta...
Kocsis Zoltán karmesternek is csodálatos volt, de ez a felvétel is bebizonyítja, hogy az utóbbi évek egyik legnagyobb zongoristája élt közöttünk.
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Ez maga a csoda
0:00 - I. Moderato;
9:23 - II. Adagio sostenuto;
19:29 - III. Allegro scherzando.
Isteni zene! Nincs hozzá fogható! DIVINE music!
Essentielles Musizieren ohne Schnörkel und Mätzchen. Ganz große Kunst.
Tökéletes.
JEEZ, he played faster than Rachmaninoff himself! 🤯🤯
Kár, hogy videó felvétel nincs, ahogy ezt játsza...
Hol hagytad Márton ludat?
Wow so fast, great
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Z's technique was probably too good for his own good. I sometimes find his interpretations rushed, but holy hell, if I had that technique, I would be at the race track as well. But no matter the tempo, he always brought heart to whatever piece..
I don't know, I tend to find other interpretations lackluster. This has more energy in my opinion without it being at the expense of musicality
@@RonaiHenrik ㅖㅖㅖㅖㅔㅖㅔㅖ
Listening to an other more "standard" recording just felt too slow for me :D I listened to this one so much this is Rach 2 for me can't help it
Cool!
Why is this music not transcribed for piano only?
LeGrognard try Valentina Liisitsa here on TH-cam.
Sorry, it's not the complete score, merely the piano part. Sounds complete in itself though.
It is not intended for piano. It is an orchestra piece in design and would not truly shine on the piano.
@@patrickwhiting4831 I had the same impression. Closest to the pure piano version I saw a recording about Zoltán Kocsis mentoring a younger pianist and playing the orchestral parts for him in a duet. Dunno if there are scores written specifically for that purpose.
Nekem kicsi gyorsan játssza, de nagyon figyelemre méltó előadás.
A finále gyors szakaszai számomra is elsietettek, helyenként szinte kapkodók. Rá ez gyakran volt jellemző. De remek előadó volt, sokáig fogunk rá emlékezni.
Ez volt Rachmaninov tempója.... A II. zgv. 30 perc, a III. 35, se több, se kevesebb. Egy ideig csak a szerző tudta lejátszani... De Kocsisnál nemcsak a technika félelmetes, hanem a rajzolatok, hogy mindent hallok, ami fontos, és hogy miből rakja össze. Ezt a zongoristák jó része nem képes megmutatni, sajnos. "Teknika" van, muzsika, ami egy gyönyörű rend, már sokkal kevesebb, mára sokaknál eltűnt. Ezért is pótolhatatlan Kocsis. Hallga meg a nagy Bartók-szonátát, vagy a Rachmaninov-szonátát vele.... nagyon-nagyon kevesen érik be őt....
@@chillida09 nekem kifejezetten tetszenek a gyors tempói, ez így a szuper előadás
Ha csak 29:42-től a kódát végighallgatom... ennél precízebb viharzást nagyon keveset hallottam. A zenekar meg nagyon jó napot fogott ki, és nekem pont Kocsis miatt tetszik, hogy a keverés során a zongorának egy mákszemnyivel több kakaót adtak, mint szokásos...
Ha jól tudom, ez az eredeti tempó. Valaki javítson, ha tévedek.
Nekem Yuja Wang felvétele is nagyon tetszett ebből a műből. Talán az még jobban.
Vigyázzál mert engem egyszer már szétszedtek itt a Wangorázás miatt 😀😀😀 nekem is ő az egyik kedvencem.
Nem rossz a kínai gádzsi, csak épp aprópénzre váltotta tehetségét.
Feláldozta magát a show-business oltárán.
Egyébként ez egy rossz minőségű koncertfelvétel.
Nem hasonlítható össze Yuja stúdió lemezével.
@@sziklaszilard8413 Used Google translate cause I don't speak Hungarian but I feel I have to make a clarification here: only one single Yuja Wang recording was made in a studio, and that is the "Fantasia" CD. The well-known Abbado/Mahler Chamber Orchestra CD with this concerto was taken from a concert, in Venice if I well remember. She actually doesn't like to do studio recordings, "Fantasia" was an exception cause she liked the theme.
@@sziklaszilard8413 nem a hangminőség, a zenei minőség a lényeg....
Not a fan of this brutally insensitive performance, and Kocsis is one of my six all-time favorite pianists, a man who gave us gorgeously musical and colorful performances of Debussy, Mozart, Bartok, and other composers.
I find it marvellously sensitive.
Zoltan plays this concerto too fast...Not even Rachmaninoff himself played this concerto this fast for fastness sack.....The concerto loses its romanticism when one plays in this frantic fashion.....
I can see this perspective too
Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.
Очень эмоционально, прекрасно! ❤
One of the worst versions of this concerto I’ve ever heard. He sacrifices the musical line for speed: absurd, music destroying speed.
You don't know what you're talking about
You don't understand rachmaninoff
Bart, this is the original speed. I can feel so mich emotion and nuance within this performance, I tend to come back and have a listen every once in a while.
No, he preserves the musical line in addition to keeping a fast tempo-very few musicians are capable of both :-)
Rachmaninoff himself played it in this tempo! don't know why people are mad. In my opinion it's better with this speed, it gives this concerto more flow. Unlike some other people playing this concerto like it's a funeral song lol.