The Bootstrap Paradox
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ธ.ค. 2017
- The bootstrap paradox is a classic time travel paradox and one which is used in many sci-fi films. Can a future event cause something to happen in the past, and what does this mean for freewill?
Sources and additional reading:
goo.gl/BiKMBz
goo.gl/EDqJ2j
goo.gl/8J9pUM
goo.gl/LxKcCT
goo.gl/vNXTGQ
goo.gl/4qn6W1
goo.gl/3R7C1A
Music:
"Dreamy Flashback", "Martian Cowboy"
Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0
creativecommons.org/licenses/b...
Website: www.smartbydesignstudio.com
Facebook: goo.gl/cBvvZj
The instant time travel is discovered, it will always have existed.
So...when Mr. Scott writes his formula
Andy Geibe just when he thinks about it after fully comprehend
Mindfucked
So realistically it’s never gonna be invented unless the things we do are very insignificant.
@@edward-ft3qm Maybe history as we know it, happened because of time travel
Charlotte: You don't talk to your mother that way.
Elizabeth: You don't talk to your mother that way.
BAHAHSHA
Charlotte : you don't talk..
Elizabeth :
Best one
You've got 333 likes and that's scary
But ... elli can't speak
I watch this video every 100 years or so. Always amazes me.
😂😂😂
And I read your comment everytime you post it
🧐🧐🧐
@@salonsarwar4557 Is your previous "like" still there? there is a paradox, you can only leave one unless you change accounts. I am sure you have no time to be opening new TH-cam accounts every 100 years.
@@streamofconsciousness5826Google closes their account after a period of inactivity. It is a new account each time.
The real trick in time travel is that you're not only traveling to a point in time but space as well. You have to materialize at a particular point on a spinning ball that is orbiting a star that is part of a rotating spiral galaxy which is drifting in an expanding universe. You better be damn good at math.
This is true, from a Newtonian perspective. But in the context of General Relativity, spacetime is a combined, four-dimensional continuum in which events take place. Maybe by travelling in time we could move to the appropriate spatial location, too.
Ala *Jumper* I just assumed that Proprioception is relative to the nearest gravity well.
I think if we could travel trough space and time instantly that kind of stuff would be trivial. Heck send a drone if you're not sure where the earth is at that time....
Isn't that handled by the VGL?
There are no fixed point in the universe. This will be a suicide mission.
For me, Bootstrap Paradox is an equivalent of this question: Where is the starting point of a circle?
Halil Mencütekin the difference being that there is no “forward” direction around a circle. Counterclockwise and clockwise rotation are just as “correct”. But with time, forward has a definite meaning: it’s the direction in which causes precede effects.
@@gregoryfenn1462 There is no forward for observers outside. But if you are stuck in one way motion on a circular path there exists a forward direction for you. Even with time, forward has a relative meaning. It is the direction physical events that we can observe and live through can occur. İf it was possible for some particles the next moment in time to be a different point in time than ours, such circular paths in time might be possible. That path would be a infinite straight path for any traveller on it, but a circular path for outside observers.
Me: *Professor X Thinking Meme*
Vay böyle yerlerde Türk görmek hep iyi oluyor.
The point the circle was first drawn from.
Building a time machine must be stressful because that scientist looks like he aged 40 years in just 10.
Well, as we've seen in Back To The Future, the time machine is powered by plutonium. That stuff is radioactive, and would definitely have some side effects that may include rapid aging
@@TraceguyRune ah yes cause science is based on a pop-fiction movie from multiple decades ago
Naah he just didn't shave
Haha
wouldn't expect any less from making the greatest invention humanity ever has and ever will create.
It's a constant now. Two perfect mirrors facing each other, perfectly aligned, their reflections of nothing going on for ever. That's what time is.
Beautifully said.
pepeg
Lulwut 🤪
You can't reflect nothing, mirrors reflect light, where the light comes from?
bro said a whole load of nothing
that's what i'm thinking, travelling into the past or future isn't possible, time isn't a real thing you can travel back and forth in, it's just a thing humans invented to imagine what has happened and what will happen
One way to account for it is to assume the original set of events were more complex, but have been refined to a simpler loop after many iterations. For example, maybe I create the Time Machine in my old age, from my own ideas. But the. Give the book to my younger self so that I’ll be able to make use of the Time Machine in my younger years. But then as the loop continues, the original source of the book is lost.
Did you smoke your socks? This "paradox" is exactly what you'd expect to happen and is a perfectly plausible solution to why Shakespeares work could exist. And then there is the other solution that Shakespeare actually existed and wrote the books. BTW: my IQ is 157 so this is super easy for me to understand but I can see why you would struggle.
@@swedishpsychopath8795 - ☝️🤓
@@swedishpsychopath8795My IQ is 158 and what you said is bullshit.
@@swedishpsychopath8795 that is so dumb of u to say sure u can be blessed but flexing it makes u look stupid also his question was about the book not shakespeare and its a valid question
@@swedishpsychopath8795R/Iamverysmart
Time travel either always has existed or never has and never will.
Never thought about it that way.
More like always has or always will imo
It doesn't exist till its invented, then only the person using it would know the changes to the time line, that's based on back to the future, you can change events if your not careful but if you just go back to observe and not do anythink else, would it change time, you would know you traveled but once you get back to the future who would believe you.
It never will exist. The fact is a time traveller changing anything significant would be obvious by historical standards. It would be a stranger that nobody knows doing something drastic and seemingly inappropriate and then disappearing. Every major historical figure lived decades of life in their era. The only candidates for time travellers would be like assassins, but even most of those we have historical background of their childhoods, education, etc.
Curtis Molina one could argue that those assassins were framed because law enforcement weren’t able to find a completely guilty assassin all the while being pressed by their higher ups to find the one responsible.
There is a simpler problem... if time travel ever exists, at any point, even millions of years in the future, then it already exists... if (theoretically) you can travel to any point in time...
Superpureeliteful this seemingly means that time travel has always existed which means any point could have been time traveled to and prevented, even if its by one second, because I am not the time traveler, i do not know what was meant to be, for all we know jfk died becuase a time traveler wanted it that way
If time travel exists and everything changed creates a new branch timeline, why would time travel be illegal. Anything you change, changes the timeline and because of that change the person is now in a second timeline and if they attempt to go back to the future it will be the future of that timeline. Not the one they left.This means traveling back in time to change the past won't change outcomes that have already happened in your own. There is no point in going back and saving JFK. If you did, you create a new branch and you will have to stay in that branch now.
That's assuming the all given points in time exist at once in any fashion.
I don't believe time travel actually exists. because if it does some stupids will let us know by coming from the future.
@@JustinBarth37 Not necessarily. That assumes that the 'branch' cannot be made the 'actual' by the machine in question, i.e. that the universe is not a 'one single path' universe where if something big changes due to time travel, the universe will take that into account and make it so that X change was always made.
This happened in Stargate SG1.
General Hammond gave Major Carter a folded note to put in her jacket before she stepped into the gate.
On the other side, they were in the past. One of the soldiers who arrested them was Lt Hammond, who recognized the note as being in his own handwriting, and helped them because of it.
He then held on to the note for 30 years until he was a General, when he gave it to Major Carter.
So who wrote the note, and when?
he loses the note at some point in the 30 years and rewrites it
@@mcfixer9503 so where did the original note come from? Even if he lost it and rewrote it, then who wrote the original? I still has to exist. If younger him always gets a rewritten one that’s going to keep getting rewritten, then is the original one the rewritten one? If so the the rewritten is always the original at the same time. If not then again where is original and who wrote it?
@@mcfixer9503 I believe the universe is not smart of enough to compute this paradox, so I’ve always believed that multiverse is the only way you could time travel without the universe breaking and malfunctioning. This would allow the original writer of the letter to always be the person who wrote it with out the universe creating a paradox and possibly just crashing like damn video game. Or you could use the Time Machine that only lets you go back as far as when it was first turned on. Thus making that paradox impossible.
at 1:15
No this is also known as creating pointless nonsensical " WHAT IF " scenarios that never will, or have happened.
This Is the BS modern day physicist spend their time with?
Bro do something real not imaginary nonsense
My thoughts is IF time travel is done, it will allow us to go back only in some sport of "spectator mode" where we can see and witness, but not affect events. Just as if we were watching it on a tv.
That’s why “aliens” never make contact with us. Just seem to observe. Bc they aren’t from another world, they are from the future. In 200-300 years time travel will be easier than interstellar travel. Technology just hasn’t been discovered yet.
why would there be any restrictions, you are Matter existing in that space and time, for you to be frozen at a spawn point as a spectator make this a simulation, which is possible and time travel is not because there is no past.
@lomaudit9674 Yes {novikov self consistency principle} : We cannot change anything in past universe will self consistently not allow us to do it or reframe it in somehow that scenario only
Dark is a series that has a dozen of them. The whole series is one.
Yaaa
Just finished
and you just spoiled the whole series
Season 3 incoming!
Cannot wait for the 27th 😍
What we know is a drop, what we don't know is an ocean.
What??
Stupid Human it's from the show "Dark"
@@rycforfun4764 what and why did you call me stupid😡
@@chitrikart2328 are you a dumbass or something? He called you stupid because your name is LITERALLY "STUPID HUMAN"
Stupid Human Omg- I love you 😂😂
There is always a primer event that crates the bootstrap paradox. It’s possible that time travel will always leave artifacts of one kind or another.
Stephen Hawking once conducted an experiment where he hosted a private party for Time Travelers only and then only sent the invite out the following day. But no one showed up to the party so he concluded either time travel is impossible or it is heavily regulated in the future to where it's not for public use
Did he invite anyone who actually had a working time machine?
1% of the comments: Actually commenting about the video.
99% of the comments: *DARK*
.1% talking about 12 Monkeys tv show.
Because autor of the video made time machine look like one from the dark...
Aka youtube recommended
algorism at its finest
I came from 12th doctor
This is how H. G. Tanhaus wrote his book: he didn't.
In the show he did wrote the book as a theory for the time machine blueprint given by Claudia. After the book is published starts time traveling
SPOILER: Im pretty sure the book doesn’t exist in the origin world.
Traveling back in time will CREATE an alternate universe. Each time you travel back, you create a new alternate universe.
One possible explanation I can think of in the Shakespeare case is that Shakespeare originally wrote the works of Shakespeare. But, by going back in time and publishing them yourself, you override that data point and become the new origin point for the works of Shakespeare. The time loop becomes part of the fabric of the universe until someone else decides to override it. This would probably require a second dimension of time to exist, though.
Just like how Marty McFly invented rock n roll.
But would YOU be able to write the works of Shakespeare with the same skill and prose?
@@nate78824 copy and paste my guy. The point of the paradox is that you're copying something that already exists
I really like the idea of time just heing overridden because it does make sense and it doesn't necessarily have to have other dimensions or universes. I think it makes sense for the universe to be more material in nature. As in, cause and effect are just concepts that humans use to understand the universe. So when you go back in time, it might just change the universe. All the universe cares about is essentially just the physical state of everything in it at any given moment. I hate to bring up simulation cause it's overhyped but it's a good analogy. In a computer simulation, it would run based on given states and numbers. Maybe you run a simulation of a city. Then you copy a person in that city and paste them at the beginning of the simulation before running it again. It's going to run based on the given inputs. It doesn't matter if one person has the experience of going through the simulation before. Similarly, the universe might operate in such a way that it continues based on the state of all particles and energy at any given time. So whether someone actually goes back in time, or just appears randomly out of nowhere and thinks they went back in time, the universe operates the same. It just continues on. Theres a theory that if you could know and understand all particle interactions that ever happened and the current state of all particles and energy, you'd be able to perfectly predict the future. The bootstrap paradox doesn't really matter in a universe like this. This also implies that a time loop doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be stable. For example, you build a time machine and write a book about it, you send the book to yourself before you built it. This you which I'll call n1 does the same and sends the book back. The next you, n2 does the same but the book is damaged in the process. N2 sends the book back anyway. N3 gets the book and builds the time machine, but it takes much longer to fill in the damaged portion, so they write a new book that n4 gets. The loop could continue in a cycle where you build a machine with great difficulty, then get the book and build the machine easily, then damage the book, then build the machine with great difficulty again. The book isn't the same every time, and n50 might have a fairly different book from n1
@@thedudeamongmengs2051 Man, do I want to read your comment, but I wish you'd have added some paragraphs to break up the thought. It'd be easier to read & follow.
Have you heard of Master Zhuang’s paradox? ‘I dreamt I was a butterfly. Now I’ve woken up and I no longer know if I’m a person who dreamed he’s a butterfly or if I’m a butterfly who’s dreaming it’s a person.
What does that have to do with this video?
what ive thought this up myself but i didnt know it had a name😳😳
Dark
This isn't paradox assuming we all real
My 2 brain cells are not good enough to understand what you have said.
"wait, i am william shakespeare?"
"Always have been"
Hahahahahahahahah
Okay, now THAT is fucking funny.
😂😂
Have you heard of the egg?
ha
The thing that has always bugged me about both time travel and Star Trek-like transporters is how do you physically insert your body into a new space which already has stuff in it?
You wouldn't want to be transported inside a house in case there was a chair or table in the space that you appeared into. That would have to hurt, wouldn't it? And you wouldn't want to be transported outside because you might get merged with a tree or a rabbit or something. Even transporting into an empty space would mean that you would have to displace some air molecules. Or end up with the bends or a massive wind problem.
If you figured all that out you would have to compensate for the movement of the Earth. You couldn't just go back 100 years and reappear where you were. You would have to compensate for the fact that the Earth will have moved relative to your starting position.
Never say never and all that, but I'm voting "nah" on this one
Sending a physical thing through time travel is definitely impossible to our current understanding of physics. Sending information however, using mediums such as light, seems much more viable, as long as there are equipment in the past/future to receive the information and a person to understand it. It's likely that past time travel will be very much limited to the dawn of digital technology, or perhaps the 20th century with electrical communication. But communicating with the future will also be difficult, since we phase out older communication technology all the time, you'd have to try sending a future message to some luddite using "old" tech.
I think.real time travel would require a vehicle or something to protect you and I think your arrival would probably be very violent and would by very definition rip apart space and time where/whenever you arrive...
@@cattysplat Actually, sending information still does not make sense.
One reason that people think that one could go back in time is due to the mathematics that physicists use. The math doesn't care. One can go forward or backwards in the equations because math is just a representation of an idea.
But it's almost definitely true that reality does not work that way. Of course, one has to be open to the idea that reality might allow time travel, but it is extremely unlikely for many reasons including breaking the Law of Conservation of Energy.
In reality, time is probably not a dimension like many people view it. Time is merely an idea to represent past events and potential future events. There is no such thing as time in reality. It's just an easy to understand abstract concept.
The most reasonable explanation of time is that there is only the now. The now constantly changes, but it is the same now everywhere in the universe. The now changes faster or slower depending on gravity and environment which we perceive as time flowing faster or slower.
The past no longer exists, so there is no past to travel to. There is no past to send information to. The future does not yet exist, so there is no future to go to (except the normal way by using the now).
If viewed this way (which is possibly reality), there are no paradoxes because objects or information cannot be sent to other "times". Those other "times" do not exist. Only one time exists. Now. The fact that it changes does not mean that other times exist.
@@zwenkwiel816 In that case, what does protect the vehicle from the same consequences?
@@eduardoroman2691 well I dno cuz the tech hasn't been invented yet but if this kind of travel is possible I think it will have to make like a hole in space and time for you to appear in. Think this will.require a lot of energy and be very violent so the human body would be able to withstand it without protection.
Basically think it would be like the vacuum of space or something so maybe just a pressurized steel hull will be enough but who.knows maybe we need some anti matter force field around the vehicle to punch a hole trough space and time...
I developed a time machine several years ago. It was fully functional but only traveled forward in time ... at the normal rate.
Really? My time machine can jump forward 6 - 8 hours. I call it "a bed".
Trump lost the election next year
Is he purposely supposed to look like Rick from Rick and Morty?
kj no,Doc from Back to the future. Even though they look alike.
@@kamogelo1128 Because Rick's look is based on BTTF
That’s what I was thinkjng
Maybe
Specifically scrolled for this comment
I couldn’t have been the only one to think, “ just go back in time, not put the book on your doorstep, but rather wait to see who drops the book off”
well then everything happens differently and you are forced to go back and leave the book so if you wait you will just witness another version of yourself leaving the book.
@@alimuhammad3686 Physics will not allow two of you to exist at the same time so that won't work. You can't be in two places at once so you wouldn't see yourself doing anything, one of them is you and the other is not you.
Then the loop is broken and there would be no paradox
@@SPFLDAngler that doesn't make any sense at all especially when talking about time travel.
@@SPFLDAngler, don't quantum mechanics actualpy allow that exact thing?
The entropy rule doesn't necessarily apply here. Let's say that as you fail to build a temporal distortion machine, you take notes. Then you take the successes in the notes and notice that the collection looks exactly like the book you received. The book would never age because it will always be a new book when it gets sent back.
I think you are applying an assumption that the time traveler had to or decided to take notes. Why would he need to do that if the book shows him how to build it?
@@franciscooctavius5957 the video said that it took ten years of failure to finally pull it off. If it were me, I would be taking notes about what went wrong in the earlier models, as well as what went right. When you send back the book, it only has the parts that were successful, and this would actually collapse the paradox as a whole.
@r.a.o.laster5984 Im not so sure it would collapse, but it may depend on the person.
In my case, i wouldn't keep my old notes on the failures once i had the correct process. I would simply write out the correct process to refer to since i now possess the knowledge of why and how it works. For the present me its more a guide if i needed to create another machine like following a recipe for a cake.
And i believe this is why the past me in this scenario struggles for ten years because they dont have the 10 years of knowledge to follow the instructions to correctly bake this time cake. leading to trial and error, leading to success, to writing the recipe book now the understand how it works, and lastly passing it on. starting the loop again.
I think the key is you only realize the book you write is the same one you recieved AFTER you finish writing it. Once you know that you have a choice to make. would you send a new version thats easier to understand to break the loop and risk something changing catastrophicly or would you send the slower but guaranteed path to past you building the time machine... you know how to build it, but do you know exactly how time works and how making a change will affect you?
Fun thought experiment but its waaaaay to late at night for me to be going down this rabbit hole haha. Good night going to bed.
Except if you're given the "successful notes" that's what you would start with so you would not be taking any additional notes as what you were given would be "successful" to start with. If you're talking about writing a new book each time, that's not what this scenario in the video is talking about.
The information would be prone to distortions as the loop progresses. It’s like a game of telephone.
If we would ever be able to travel back in time, we would already know it from meeting the travelers.
But what if the traveler only "starts having ever existed in the past" as soon as he travels? What if his actions only occur as soon as the present reaches the point he travels from?
@@KomosKoisig Well, if time is a dimension you can travel in, this doesn´t make any sense. When you travel in three dimensions nothing of that happens, why should it happen in a fourth dimension?
There is a hypothesis on time travel, involving a rather big construct in space to open the wormhole you can travel through. The problem is, the math allows you time travel, but only back to the point when the construct was finished and opened that wormhole. So if, some 1000s of years in the future something like this is built, people from some ten thousand years in the future could travel back until this point in time, but not further.
Maybe this kind of time travel will exist some day, but time travel that allows you to go whenever you want will never exist, else we would be visited by travelers all the time.
The solution is: we should think about time not as a straight line of cause-and-effect, but rather a big ball of wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey stuff.
So true
Don't you mean "The Whole Sort of General Mishmash"? (...Or is that too obscure?)
Actually if you read my other reply, you’ll see that basically I’m saying the same thing.
Alonzy!
For some reason i like to think about this stuff. First i would recomend you watch "Dark" on netflix. Their theory about time there is: Its all preset loops, you have no real free will and thats how it works. But i wouldnt call it a paradox. For me it isnt because we dont know how the time machine or time works. As we learn in life there cant be something out of nothing. Which means there had to be something thats here forever. Try to imagine something that had no beginning. We can imagine for ourself to live forever. Our brain can imagine how we just go on and on and on. But something to be there already with no begining is hard to imagine. If you manage to figure out how time or time travel works you can answer the question in this video. For me i have an idea how this paradox can be explained. But its just my personal theory.
In an alternate timeline some guy dedicated his life to find how to make a time machine, documenting it as he went. Eventually finding out how to do it, he wrote it down in a book, and went back in time, giving it to himself, allowing him to do it much faster and without trial and error. This would create another timeline, starting the endless paradox.
What I'm saying is the time machine came first.
It wouldn't let you do it much faster without trial and error... here is the funny thing people forget.
Resources and you need to verify the book is real... which means trial and error testing.
If you give yourself money or resources... you get thrown in jail. In other words you can't speed things up.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 You certainly can. Theres a reason why experiments in school is much faster than trying to invent thos things.
But figuring out time travel was only possible with the book which was mysteriously give to you
@@Daniel_Jones Thats why I said alternate Universe, because when someone time travels it makes a different alternate reality, not affecting the original timeline. In this alternate timeline there was no book, a man dedicated his life to figure out how to make it, and finding the right way to do it he wrote a book about it, going back in time and setting it on the doorstep, there creating the alternate timeline but doing that action. And ever since creating the parodox.
Thank you man, this video has been bugging me because they don’t understand that time travel is just jumping realities/universes
If every point in time in your entire life happens all at once and you only experience it linearly, then there is no paradox.
Someone other than you could have started off the loop by putting the book on your doorstep. Then you continued it. And you could put the book on someone else's doorstep.
On entropy of the book, just make a new copy every time you go back to the start of your part in the loop.
But the new paradox is that after you get to the past, you have found that the time machine has stranded you there because it didn't travel with you and past YOU's being piling up in the past.
A old man in a blue police box told me to Google it
thatonedude But who? You too mate?
Same
thatonedude But who? Same
SAME!
Yup
I’d go back to 2009 and buy cheap bitcoins
th-cam.com/video/PkKAHroBTtA/w-d-xo.html
@A K i actually found out thid paradox myself when i was a kid
If i could go back in time maybe i should have made a video about this
But again
Time cannot be changed
Unless were talking multiversal travel
I‘d go back to 1998 and prevent me from happening
What about Apple shares, Microsoft shares, Tesla?...
@@rxonmymind8362 Ah yes an additional content in the package
What people often don’t grasp is that even if time travel were possible, and there is a strong argument that it isn’t and which you omitted - even if it were possible then in a causal loop there is no “Again and again”. Whoever is in that loop can experience it only once and there is only one static unchanging version of it.
bingo! i don’t think time travel is possible, and videos like this feel more like “here’s how the world would be if 2+2=100.”
Quantum Physics is mysticism.... It originates from ancient Babylon and was a perversion that the Pharisees adopted back then.They still practice it today. Ie. Kabbalah The media is pushing this garbage and things like time travel and simulation theory ... It goes all the way back to Genesis 3 5. The idea of us being like gods.
Years ago an old girlfriend mentioned how the end of 12 Monkeys was distressing because it revealed this never-ending loop of events. I had taken your view, and thus responded probably rather condescendingly that no, everything happened precisely once. This understandably deflated her, and I occasionally remember and cringe at the smarm of my past self. I should have tried to explain myself, had a conversation, admitted I at least understood where she was coming from. But I didn't.
One of many (many) things I would fix if I could go back. But I can't. Nobody can.
Can you explain further?
@@datboi42entering the loop undoes any prior versions of the timeline. For anyone exiting the loop, there is only the final version.
If anyone somehow re-enters the loop with any memory of having done it before, that’s now a memory of something that never happened - and the survival of the memory means their body has racked up some extra miles - they continue to age while traversing the loop. So even for them, they could not continue re-iterating forever, they will eventually die.
From a global standpoint, there can only be one version of the timeline with any loops frozen in place. The timeline cannot “evolve” over time because time is already occupied being the timeline. The “block universe” in which the timeline exists is a stone sculpture, not a movie.
Fascinating and extremely well explained. Thank you.
Anyone got this as recommend after completing the "DARK" series.
Me hahahaha
Here
Same
Same. Funny how the video was posted 8 days after season 1 was aired
Hell yeah
Who has come here after watching "DARK" ?
Me
The whole series is a paradox
Sakil Parvez what dark?
@@rinreborn7364 a series on netflix next time use Google bro
We're in a boot strap paradox
Excellent video and really well explained. Thanks!
this is one of my favorite time travel paradoxes :)
"The question is not where but when?"
No but which world
How*
@simp hunter mikkel*
Is that a back to the future quote?
Fact: u are time traveling into future right now
ayy brother you have the same profile picture as me!
@@Infinity-ty1pl hi my brother from another mother
@@milchpackungszertreter6769 hey brothers..iam a stranger
@@Infinity-ty1pl Yours is bit dark.
@@saleeminamdar1772 DARK... A WHOLE SHOW BOUT THOS PARADOX
I think there’s an issue with the book wearing out, breaking down over time because you don’t re-write the book, you’re just reusing the one you got
Exactly. All you do is build the time machine then copy the book and send the copy to the past while the originals stay in the present. Bootstrap paradox defeated.
If time travel to the past is impossible, as conjectured by Hawking, then that only leaves time travel to the future as a possibility. I’ve been doing that my whole life; only very slowly. 😊
Which would imply if you travel to the future you can't go back as the current present is the future's past 🤣
The series "dark" Are filled with these so known bootstrap paradox
Best show I've ever seen
I came here because of Dark haha. I love the series I can't get over it..
@@azora_ritz same here lol
I’m here because of that too 😂👌🏼 guessing everyone else is still mind blown 🤯
Love this show!!!
Bootstrap paradox: me going to watch Dark after reading several mentions
Be prepared for the ride of your life........
Have fun 😏
@@celiwhaaat6285 now binge watching😀
Edgar Escobar haha yeah that’s how it went for me as well. :D
And thus ...the cycle begins. You go to watch dark after this video and after dark you see this video 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great video. Loved it! 👍
I feel like time travel into the past, if ever possible, will only be possible from the moment a Time Machine is built and on. If you build a device that takes you back into the past, I kinda feel like you would need a Time Machine to travel to.
That's like saying until a car is invented, nobody can travel north. There's no link.
@@GamesFromSpace your assuming the Time Machine works like a car.
In that you get in it. You go somewhere in it. Then you get out of it at your arrival destination free to get back in and go where you want.
But perhaps your Time Machine needs somewhere to send you to.
Maybe your Time Machine doesn’t actually move anywhere but opens a portal that needs another machine with a portal to come out of.. or at least the same machine at a different point in time.
Which would limit time travel from the point of the time machines creation onwards.
It’s a bit of a mind twist but it makes sense
@@noomfy-mopkebab3632 I'm assuming nothing, that wasn't the point of what I said. The car isn't remotely important, it could have been an orange juicer instead.
@@GamesFromSpace ok big fella 👍
The point is, requiring a time machine as destination solves the bootstrap paradox completely.
So there is your link.
"The end is the beginning and the beginning is the end"
Anyone here after watching Dark?
Masterpiece!
Me!
That's how the world is created
I'm pretty sure the maker of this video is too.....He got the God Particle time travel on point😂
@MasterOnion North An emotional entanglement! Love it.
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.
“Time isn’t made of lines, it’s made of circles. That’s why clocks are round.” -The greatest mind ever
Yeah, I’ve seen this bit before. You said that sentence got away from you.
Piemations
Karl Marx it got away from me yeah
Luckily people assume correctly, because non-linear timelines only exist in literature
This is how Squidward inadvertently invented jellyfishing
I was always under the assumption that dude either invents a time machine, or at least he acquired the book to build the time machine then sent the book to his past self. At this point it doesn't matter when or how our main character started with the information, it's now set at this moment. Maybe he would have learned to build the machine much later in life but now he learns it earlier. Now after his 10 year learning/building phase he sends the book back to his past self and while after looping like this a certain amount of times the book would fall to entropy, it's only a paradox at this point if you assume you have to send the same exact book back. Either the MC would notice the book falling to disrepair and copy the information into a new book causing a cycle of new books, or he won't notice and he fails to build the time machine correctly or maybe has to take much more time to figure it out; maybe the machine gets built later or it doesn't. The important part was never the book but the information.
So the info gets stuck in the paradox. But it's still stuck there.
@@AbsolAhm would there be any consequence for the info being stuck in a paradox? It seems to me that either the idea exists and is in a paradox or if the idea is prevented somehow ( like someone steals the book and destroys the information. ) Then it doesn't exist. I feel that it wouldn't be a loop where the destruction of the book prevents the destruction of the book. I think all it would do would allow whatever caused the information in the first place to happen the way it would have originally instead of a cycle of notebooks being passed around. Of course you could just say it causes a larger paradox a a string of them.
I think theres an example of this paradox in the very famous video game "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time"
During the game, the main character, Link, finds a man powering a windmill who is enraged that someone in the past played a song that caused the windmill to malfunction, and teaches link the song.
Turns out, when link returns to the past, he needs to then play the song, causing the windmill to malfunction, enraging the man, and causing him to teach link the song in the future.
Song of storms
@@Joel-hx6dn Yup!
In Phantom hourglass, I believe, link can take an urn from someone in the present, travel to the distant past, and give that urn to that someone's ancestor. The urn is infinitely old and yet has no origin.
I never thought that was actually a paradox.
Not a paradox, Link created an alternate verse where he replaced the original executor of the song.
"A man can do what he wills, but cannot will what he wills."
Wants*
@@nivedhhegde9521 nope it's wills the guy above is correct it's the original quote from the show
-A. Schopenhauer
Soooo a WOman can do it? Oh ok
LEGEND 333 as a german I would translate wollen/will as wanting/want.
Subs can be incorrect
"Time" is just a sequence of events you can't travel in it and anybody who theorizes that you can should be labelled clinically insane.
I discovered time travel very early on. I left the past behind in 1955 and now dwell in the 21st century
Stephen Hawking set up a party one night, the next morning he gave away the time and location of the party and invited anyone to come, so that only a Time traveler could attend the meeting in the past. No one ever showed up, and will.
Stephen Hawkin caused a problem when he told about the party and invite. If time travelers existed it would be to their interest not to be noticed to get history answers without corruption. So if the party got guests Hawkin could not talk about it. Seems like Schrodinger’s Cat idea.
But if a time traveller showed it would mean he showed up without stefen Hawking asking for it bcz hawking didn't knew about the party the previous day
If time travel is invented, it may be highly regulated in the future. We can not even travel to a different country without passport and visa, how can we expect some random time traveler kid will pop up in our time. I don't think time travel will be open to all as it may break so many things in the future.
It wasn't a bad idea but also if time travel existed maybe people who could travel wouldn't care about his party lmao
@@mayb3 i had the same thought
Science Fiction writer: "I don't know how to get around the plot holes in my novel."
Friend: "Just place some events in a parallel universe."
Science Fiction writer: "Of course!"
Thankfully Dark doesn't do that
Or just use the word quantum
Avengers Endgame in a nutshell.
@@adeeness there's an alternate Martha at the end of season 2
She says, " The question isn't from what time ! It's from what world ? "
@@HomerMr500 I just completed the second season, but now that almost all the elements of the current way of time travel is shown, I gotta say it's impossible to break the timeloop. Because everytime they go back to the past to fix stuff it just ends up as the reason the event occured in the first place and this loop is never ending. So to propel the story forward, a multiverse is the only way. reasonable way
The Shakespeare paradox was covered in The Twilight Zone, "The Bard."
If you keep track of time, time is gonna keep track of you.
You and I are perfect for each other never believe anything else
HOW DARE YOU
Im still hurt
im shaking and crying rn
What a wonderful world
Der Anfang ist das Ende und das Ende ist der Anfang
"Stand up,Father"
I think of time as a sort of exponential curve, where it's technically possible to speed it up or slow it down to an extent, but never stop it completely, and never go backwards.
That's not what 'exponential' means ... Did you mean 'monotonic', perhaps?
@@halfsourlizard9319 I'm pretty sure John is likening the rate at which we move through time only being forwards with the non-negativity of the exponential over the reals. Monotonic would be an alternative acceptable analogy but not what John originally intended I think.
@@wibblywobblysineline509 I think that neither you nor he understands mathematical terminology.
What you are referring to as time is just a measurement of our body's rate of decay based on a standardized measurement of the apparent motion of the sun/ literal rotation of the earth.
Time does not exist by iitself. Space-Time exists. It is a macro calculus problem.
@@halfsourlizard9319Cool. You win. Happy now? FFS shut up.
When I saw the title of this video I was relieved to see that I’m not the only one having problems with time travel; this shit never seems to work
"Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow are not consecutive, they are connected in a never ending cycle." - Dark
What he actually said was, "Gestern, heute, morgen, folgen nicht aufeinander. Sie sind eine ewigen Kreis miteinander verbunden. Alles ist miteinander verbunden."
jK. What you said is right. I just love the original German, and I'm proud that I could follow most if Dark in German, except for the morgue scenes and most of Adam's and Eva's dialogue. A bit too complicated for me at the moment, but I'm getting better.
Without spoiling it, did you like the ending? I did.
@@ZeldaWolf2000 is German hard to learn ?
@@hawkeye171 Like everything, it depends on how much work you put into learning it. I started learning in school, and kept up over the summer, so I didn't lose anything I learned the previous semester, and I also found other ways to learn other than in class or school material. I also care a lot about learning it, so my brain thinks it's important, making it easier for me to remember things.
Now does this mean everything comes easy? No. But with time and exposure to-the language, it gets easier and easier. So if you're really interested in learning German, and are willing to put in the work then yeah, it'll be easer than without those things.
It's also worth mentioning that, although I could follow most of Dark, I have a lot to learn. Just like at the beginning of Avatar. However, also just like Aang, I'm learning something every day.
If you want beginner material, I highly recommend:
Learn German With Ang and Get Germanized. They also do more advanced things, but they have nice beginner playlists to learn the basics.
I also recommend VlogDave, who teaches German using songs and video games which is fun.
Also, if you have grammar questions, google the question with "German is Easy" The author describes things in really good detail. I found them very helpful for learning issues I couldn't find answers to elsewhere.
Viel Glück! Ich hoffe, das war hilfreich für dich. ☺️
Good Luck! (Literally much luck.) I hope this was helpful to you.
Zeldawolf.
@@ZeldaWolf2000 This is more than helpful. It's very precise answer would help me a lot. Thanks a lot for resources mentioned.
@@hawkeye171 kein Problem! Du kannst es lernen! Du bist schlau. 😀
Who created Johnny B Goode? Marty Mcfly or Chuck Berry?
I think it was both, just creating an alternate timeline. (Spoilers)
So when Chuck Berry had made the song by himself, then Marty heard it. Traveled back in time and sung it, After that Chuck Berry recreated Marty's song, which basically deleted the first timeline and replaced it with the one where Marty Mcfly had made the song, meaning that for everyone else. Marty made the song. But to Doc amd Marty... It was Chuck Berry who made the song, and in my opinion also means Chuck Berry actually created he song.
@Huma17 👍. Ok how many episodes in the first season?
@@patrickr3400 He's referring to the 2009 reboot, not the series.
Yes
@Huma17 What about when Scotty gives someone the recipe for transparent aluminum in ST IV!
3:38 I don't think entropy applies here. But comment if I'm wrong. Here's my thought - the time loop only occurs once. Events proceed like this: You get the book -> build time machine -> travel back to give yourself the book ->Travel back to the future to continue your life.
This is the stuff I think about that keeps me up at night
Wow
That scientist's clothes are looking awfully *schwifty*
Oh yeah, it's time to get schwifty. It's time to get schwifty in here.
Literally ricks outfit
or doc from back to the future
@@giordano5787 lmfao
Another problem with time travel is location. Since the world is moving, when you go back or future, you need to calculate exact position of the world, means you need a orgin in whole universe.
you must be real fun at parties....or maybe I should say were...since parties have been cancelled for the foreseeable future....so maybe we should go back in time and have our parties.....
you just need to set the earth as your reference point. there is no one center of the universe
@@Vapor817 I think you missed the OP's point. And it will not be as simple as "setting Earth as the reference point". Earth will be in a completely different spot in spacetime, so if you time travel either to the past or future (assuming it keeps you in the same spot at least in space), you will very likely appear in the middle of a vacuum of space. You would need to know the exact location of Earth in spacetime in order to control for that outcome. This is, unless of course travelling through time allows you to travel in "spacetime" at once.
@@Rubick471 as far as i can tell, time travel is still a sci fi concept so i can safely assume in this imaginary world where time travel definitely exists that the time machine moves through spacetime, and that it will be moving on the exact same path as earth. maybe throw in some technobabble about it being tied to earth's gravity or whatever
When you travel in the future, yourself from the present, which becomes the past, goes to the same you as the future
You can't replicate your version of the present and goes with your version of the future
(And yes, almost all sci-fi movies that works on space travel are wrong and who cares? It's sci-fi lol)
How To Travel Back In Time
1. Make digital clock fives hours backwards.
2. Make digital clock seven hours backwards.
We are already traveling at the speed of time.
*Hits Blunt* :
"Time is a construct bro."
*illusion
@@mirzawaqas7876 human construct is what I meant which is also true
SpiltMilk fair point
@@mirzawaqas7876 it trips me out that after 12 am you have to say yesterday. If you stay up it's not the next day to me. It's the next day once the sun comes up mentally to me. Like wat.
SpiltMilk the inner machinations of my mind are an enigma
Why can’t the person just use the time machine to observe how the book was delivered?
Good question
This would most likely work, I think. If time travel does go back in your own universe, you waiting to see how the book was delivered would be an actual event in the timeline, and you would discover how it was delivered just because it could happen literally no other way. If you go to a parallel universe, then I feel like the same thing would apply, because the universe you left is an exact copy of the one you entered, with the one difference that you weren't watching yourself get the book delivered to you. You would just have to be careful to not accidentally scare off the deliverer of the book on accident.
Joseph Paulson Wouldnt the person delivering the book just be another future you?
Ryan Jesson not necessarily. It’s not compulsory that you have to go back in time and give the book to yourself. Since the past you has to get the book anyways, present you can just go back in time, hide and observe how the book got there. The infinite loop only exists when the present you puts the book on your past doorstep. Otherwise, as the book being delivered is a definite event, it’ll have to be done by a third party.
Nikhil Lal You hit the spot man.
Step 1. Go back in time
Step 2. Delete the boot strap inventor
Step 3. Claim no boot strap paradox.
#NailedIt
"This stuff always makes my head hurt." --The Flash
Writers of Netflix's Dark - "WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!"
Writers of Netflix Dark reach into pocket, pull out rumpled paper with this URL written on it. DUM DUM DUUUUM!
Isn't Dark in German? *Machen Sie eine Kopie davon!*
@@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S. yes it is in German, but I watched it with English subtitles.
It’s in dark hg tanhauss and his book
The paradox was mentioned in season 2. The object with no origin appears to be a person. The best show of all time, by the way, and the final is in just 10 days.
"Dark" webseries writer first saw this video and then wrote the mess that we are trying to understand
My only problem with a time machine Is that everything is literally moving at tens of thousands of miles per hour, so if you went back in time you'd end up in a place where earth hasnt been yet. It'd be trillions and trillions of miles away and you'd be left in the darkness of interstellar space. you would also have to transverse through space at the same time. But some how I never hear about this subject. It just makes sense to me.
If moves at that speed, there you learn stability and then sustainibilty. When inside is calmer dynamic awareness is higher. At this phase, you might as well learn cosmic leela or creative cosmic collaborotor as you drive the kalachakra wheel. Supreme self lives in all worlds yet knowing and unknowing of it. Purusha uthama knows all previous and future together as the dimensions are multi and infinite and you may see it from future to past or vice versa. Its simply a simulation and matrix so we can oversee it like a third view of observer. Its also self observation in zen mode. By the time of stability in the field, it will develop skills but depends on how karma and truthful life we live in. When you want to change codex it take true innocence to enter the field but every being would then fail. This is why scientifically there is god. Only god can enter the field and codex also play leela for objective good , not for some greedy ego head trying to control the world without equanimity and equalness.
Truth is there is no time and no sucb travelling but it means you have access conscious and altered state or zen or kingdom of god entry pass to shambala. Its the same in oneness of consciousness as you entered above mind or mushin state or no mind siddha realms inside you. You unlocking the inner self that you know by your nature and birth and lost after you got this new ego and identity. Does be born agian make sense to you? Truth is everywhere so welcome to the inner cosmos and multiverse.
@backalleyburrito1815 -
I mean, if people thought about it, they would probably realize that time travel is not possible or that what we know about time is wrong or incomplete.
So there wouldn't be such empty discussions and fruitless pondering.
Some topics have an empty set.
I suppose it depends on whether the time machine operates disconnected from the environment - a plane doesn't stop rotating along with the Earth just because it's in the air... a time machine could, in the same way, follow the Earth's trajectory backwards towards it's former location. Theoretically, at least.
@@LadyDoomsinger no it couldn't. That is two totally different things you describe. Flying a plane is in no way close to traveling through time. A plane is attached to gravity and pressure from the upper atmosphere.
@@backalleyburrito1815 Time travel is theoretical - arguably impossible. You don't know whether it's like traveling in a plane or something completely different, because it is not a real thing. We were speculating here, and I offered one possibility to how it might work. Hypothetically.
I cant believe I am watching a 6 year old video about bootstrap paradox's after the new pokemon games introducing one in the games story
*The comments section*
49%: Dr. Who comments
49%: Dark Season 2 comments
2%: *Confused people like me who does not have any idea what those two shows are.*
Edit:
What a relief! There are Steins;Gate comments as well!
This actually helped me understand kingdom hearts' time travel
2%
@@marmikemp3767 milk?
Stein's Gate was awesome......
kinda sad watching the whole unchangeable loop section near the end but man what a good show lol
Bruh as soon as i start watching Back to the Future 3 this pops up in my feed,
The Tannhaus Doppler paradox.
Tannhaus is charlotte’s original name, Doppler is here married name
Snowflake I mean... just like Michael is still Nielsen, Charlotte’s original name would be Niewald. Why? Because she is Noah’s daughter. Noah is Bartosz’ son, and Bartosz is Boris’ son, and Boris’ name is Niewald.
Almost everyone is Aleksander’s descendant.
@@dari9345 not only Alexander but Hannah too as silja was born after Hannah travel back in past with Egon
@@abishek1910 Bernd/Hannah/Aleksander/Egon are the true ancestors of the family tree.
Kid: Can I have Rick
Mom: We have Rick at home
I can travel into the future. I go to bed and when I wake up, I am one day in the future.
Are you sure it is you that wake up?
Are you telling me I have to shut down my time travel business?
Hey, go to the future, get a box of super durable material, put a phone in it, go back in time ten thousand years, then set it so the box opens in 2020.
Some people need this technology.
Sir what about my salary then??
@@crazzyflynn2433 , Burger King is hiring.
@@williamfitzpatrick6369 what about McDonalds???
The way I consider it, it’s impossible to ever travel back in time. Obviously, you have some reason for doing so, but once you’ve done it, you no longer have the reason to need to do it, so you never do, yada yada, e.g. you were late for school, so you travel back in time and wake yourself up on time. You now weren’t late, so you never travel back in time to wake yourself up.
That's what I've always thought!
If time travel ever exists, wouldn't it be impossible to travel back in time to change something the past? The past has already happened so whatever you do once you go back in time will not change how the events play out since they've already happened. If you go back in time to wake yourself up early, you know you've already failed because you did not wake up early (hence the need to time travel in the first place). Even when you travel back in time, you have already woken up late so whatever you do while time traveling, the past you is still going to sleep in because you already did. I hope that makes sense.
It most likely would be impossible for any time travel as matter cannot be created or destroyed if you went back in time their would be duplicates of all your atoms
soulslicer 42 that’s a very good point
@@soulslicer4288 Not necesserily. When people think of time travel, they don't usually think of creating a copy of yourself in another point of time. Usually, people think of travelling to that point yourself.
“People assume that time is a strict progression from cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.”
Time paradoxes make my head hurt.
But the real question here is, "Who wrote Beethoven's 5th?"
Nice
“Google it”
dun dun dun duuuuuuun
*plugs in guitar* duhn duhn duhnnnnn
The Question is not Who? The question is When?
D A R K viewers.... You got my reference
"Where did the book come from?"
Anyone ever think to check the copyright page?
ok boomer
shakespeare gets a DMCA claim
That was also my thought. It should have an ISBN number at least
Only if it was officially published and registered.. It could been written before copyrights and ISBNs.
If I ever write a book, I am going to publish it under the name "future" + [my name]. That way, anyone who steals my work will sound crazy trying say that my already published work hasn't been written yet.
I believe time with end up being a force of sorts. You can alter aspects of "Old Time", but anything that you do will need to end up allowing you to be there. I don't think you can really change the past as people tend to think you could, because the force that is time sent you from Current Time to Old Time to make sure the things that happen in Current Time or New Time do happen. Think of it similarly to Back to the Future. The Grandfather Paradox wouldn't be possible because somehow someway Time will not allow you to initiate it. The Bootstrap Paradox would be what occurs, and as it's a force unknown in this theory the standard laws we have created like the Second Law of Thermodynamics could just not apply, since Time is forcing the book to be readable to ensure that the person makes the machine to give himself the book
What's past is gone and no longer exists. It will never be possible to travel back to something that does not exist.
Everyone here comparing the scientist to rick Sanchez. No respect for my man Lewis from meet the Robinsons.
Here I was thinking Doc from Back to the Future. Perhaps the creators of the animation wanted to allude to all of them in some way.
Or HOUOUIN KYOUMA!!! THE DEMIURGE OF CHAOS, THE TRUE MAD SCIENTIST!!
@@poleyville3865 now I'm convinced they threw in aspects of several time travel icons to make discussing which it's supposed to be in the comments as confusing as the bootstrap paradox concept itself
Not only was that guy able to build a time machine, but he also turned himself into a pickle.
Funniest shit I've ever seen.
Aww geez rick
Only if he's avoiding family therapy.
“What am I gonna touch and its gonna be an alien dick or something?”
the beginning story is so similar to loki season 2 where tva handbook is given to He who remains
Person A creates a Time Machine, goes back in time to give instructions to person B. Person B then creates another Time Machine years later, goes back in time and gives himself instructions, creating a stable loop. As the loop progresses, the instructions are updated and repaired to create more efficient and effective instructions, reinforcing the loop.
I'm not here because of Dark, never saw 1 episode. My TH-cam feed is just this cool.
Same here
I would recommend it
Stfu
@@haseebhassan6955 ok I will. Great comment.
@@snowflake1135 hey thanks man I binge-watched it this last week
Well the problem with this whole thing is that the person assumed that when he goes back in time there was no book on the doorstep already.
nor that every time he jumps back he comes to a clean timeline, instead of one of his past were in there already is a him. might sound weird, but thats the problem with time travel.
The altering of the past would affect the future.
@@johnrogan9420 Yes, that's called normal life.
Arihant is bad but hc verma is great
@@johnrogan9420 Also the altering of the future affects the past
Time travel is only possible going forward. You can not reverse entropy, but you can put it on hold. If you travel forward in time, you can not go back.
On Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Rufus NEVER told them his name. Ted calls out to him when they accidentally meet.
So who said his name first?
Another bootstrap paradox.