Hey Rachel! Great video you answered most of my questions. Just one question I think you forgot to answer the last one! - 10. If I finish medical school and become a GMO and train as a flight surgeon for 4 years, do I need to still complete a residency or does that count as paying back the 4 year scholarship? Thank You
Hi great video! Thanks for this resource. What would you recommend to someone who needs to get waivers to be "medically fit"? Should i do that before I start applying or while I apply? thanks!
Hey! I saw in the air force website that you had to wear your uniform to class during the 45 days you have to be in active duty per year during med school, could you talk to me about it?
Hi, I actually didn’t know about that rule myself! I’ve talked to the other HPSP students at my school that are M2s and they’ve never mentioned it & i haven’t seen anyone wear uniforms at school (although we haven’t been on campus as much as normal with covid). It seems like it could be a rule that isn’t really followed stringently bc there’s no way to really make sure people are following it
hi nancy :)! no, doing your residency with the military doesn't count as payback time. i think their thinking is that they want you a full attending physician for it to count as your payback time
Hey Rachel, Just wondering if you knew anything about the Pilot Physician Program within the USAF? That’s my primary interest, but I haven’t been able to get much info out of my recruiter.
i dont know much about it, i do know it is a real thing and it is very competitive bc you need to qualify for and finish both med school and training .. i believe ppl typically do the pilot training then the med school but i could be wrong. i would ask your recruiter to get you in contact with someone else bc most hpsp recruiters arent experts/trained in that bc its such a rare thing
So if I get 3 yrs of medical school paid for I need to serve 3yrs of active duty? If I’m interested in aerospace medicine and once I go to active duty to repay the military I get a job as an aerospace physician?
Talking to a recruiter right now and he is promising 100% match rate in the military. All I want to do is ensure I get into surgery. Is this false? are my chances higher if I do HPSP instead of only civilian?
Hey, Rachel!! I am currently a firefighter/paramedic. I found my passion for medicine but I'm concerned it may be too late I am turning 26 this month. I would love to be an emergency room physician for our military. I currently have an associate's degree and my GPA was only 2.6. When I was in school I did not put my effort into studying because I had other responsibilities. Do you think it would still be possible to get into ROTC for a pre-med degree?
That’s amazing!!! No, it’s not too late. I would suggest trying to do a post bac or taking some extra classes & continuing to bolster your resume (being a firefighter/paramedic is excellent already), networking as much as possible, & getting amazing letters of rec. it’s possible and you CAN do it !!!
Military residency doesn’t count towards your service commitment, but does it count towards your 20 years of service for retirement? And what is the yearly commitment like? Are the 45 days of training physical or medical?
Yes it counts towards your retirement bc you’re active duty in a military residency (I’m pretty sure). You’re on 45 days of active duty per year but sometimes you might not do anything and you’re just at school, or you could be going to COT or on an ADT at a military hospital in your 4th year. You’ll get paid 45 days active duty pay even if the ADT isn’t 45 days
Hello! I am 32 years old, I’m a firefighter paramedic. I got an associates degree. Do you believe it’s too late for me? I did 3 years active duty NAVY and got honorable discharge.
no, i dont think so! I would talk with a recruiter to check on age limits for when you can start hpsp. I'm not sure what the AF/navy one is but i believe the army's is the highest, at 40-42. so as long as you get going on your premed classes, clinical experience, and all that soon, you should be able to start med school/hpsp in the next few years!
Also, if you use the hpsp scholarship for four years and then attend a 5 year general surgery residency with the military. How many years of payback in active duty is that?
yes, you can do a 4 year scholarship then an active duty surgery residency. you would go to school, do the 5 year residency, then owe 4 years as an attending surgeon after the military residency. your residency, even if its active duty, doesn't count for payback years if you did a civilian sponsored residency, i believe you would owe 9 years of service after because its a civilian sponsored residency, not active duty one!
@@racheldoesbalance@tashiel Hi! Many people on online forums mentioned that the residency does itself incur a service commitment, however, it is concurrent with the 4-year HPSP commitment. Since most residencies are 4 years or less, I think the military advertises the scholarship as a 4-year commitment only. However, for some of the longer residencies, like general surgery, the payback time will be 1-for-1 based on the length of the residency. General surgery will have a 5-year payback time. Plastic surgery, for example, necessitates a 6-year commitment. I might be wrong, but that was the general impression I gathered from reading a bunch of SDN/reddit posts.
@@shadmankabir9202 @tashiel its my understanding that the type of residency that you do determines your payback years: there are 3 different kinds - military, civilian sponsored, civilian deferred. in my HPSP info video th-cam.com/video/pE-quaojsiY/w-d-xo.html i go over all the differences in the info box about the video. if you do a military residency for 3 years, after you finish that residency, you only owe 4 years of active duty service as an attending. if you do a civilian sponsored residency, you incur +1 year for every year that you were in that civilian sponsored residency. if you do a civlian deferred residency, you dont incur any extra years, and will owe 4 years after residency if you had a 4 yr scholarship. im not sure if those people on SDN were talking about if they were in a cilivian sponsored plastic surgery residency, bc if that was the case, they would owe +1 yr bc it was a civilian sponsored residency. i could see the military adding on another year of service from 4 to 5 years if they train you in a 5 yr surgery residency bc in their eyes, they dont want to train you for 5 yrs, then only have you for 4 yrs - so they'd at least want as much time from you as an attending as years that they trained you for. the above is my understanding of the situation, but you could be right shadman! the reason why i wanted to make videos on this was so i could shed some light and clarity on the process bc obviously it is a confusing one :) lucky for me i dont think i want to go into general surgery or plastic surgery haha but i will try to find this out!
18, but typically the youngest a person can apply to become a doctor is after 4 years of undergrad so the youngest would be 22 then there are those special cases of people who graduated early so you’ll get rare 21-20 year olds that apply. The oldest you can be is around 40 I don’t know the exact number but each branch is different and doctors are a special case so you will most likely get an age waiver because the military wants doctors especially if you apply and get accepted to use the HPSP.
They had a great response! It’s pretty much 21/22-early forties i believe, and each branch has a slightly different cut off but i believe it is in the early 40s
It is case by case dependent and based on everyone’s opinions/preference of course but most likely because they are excited to start practicing/get trained in military medicine right out of med school, and the pay is better than civ residencies
@@racheldoesbalancehi, does the pay is also better working as a civilian surgeon than a military surgeon ( after residency)? I heard the pay is less but just want to confirm. Also , can you work as a civilian surgeon after you complete your years of commitment in the military?
Great video and super helpful! One question: is there a specific undergrad major (ie biology, or other science/premed major) that you need to have to be accepted into hpsp or can you be any undergrad major you want? Thank you!!
thank you! :) you do not have to have any specific major to be accepted to Hpsp, you just have to make sure you take all of your required premed classes so you can then get accepted to a medical school, then show hpsp your medical school acceptance, or at least that you are getting interviews from schools!
all the HPSP branches have basically the same requirements while in medical school, so not much difference there. if you're a navy hpsp grad you'll probably be on a ship or on a naval base near the ocean, which you wouldn't do in the army or air force. the navy is a great branch!
honestly that is something that ive thought about. 8 years is a long time, but its also a short time, its all relative really. i believe that i will face many challenges and trials as an active duty physician, but will also have so many privileges, amazing experiences, and be able to meet and treat incredible people, servicemembers, and veterans. i know my experience will shape me into the person I am ultimately supposed to be. i like to think that everything works out perfectly in divine timing, and that this is my path and i am meant to be on it, for whatever reason. :)
How would I go about trying to put in a formal report against a medical student in Texas that was accepted into your program? He forced me into an unwanted and unsafe abortion and left me in a pool of blood. He is scared of blood, by the way. Terrible follow-up skills, bled for months and he was just crossing his fingers I would "get over it" and stop seeking justice. You hired a murderer. A cold murder. He only cared that you were paying his medical school tuition. He declined all opportunities given to him to work with vets in the past...he is evil person...these issues tend to resurface when not taken care of. He has no desire to "fix" this. He is a coward that just lets problems bleeeeed out...out of his sight.
im extremely sorry that this happened to you, and i hope that you are doing okay, physically and mentally. I would contact law enforcement if this person forced you into a medical procedure that you did not want. im very sorry to hear that this was your experience
@@racheldoesbalance It seems the Integrity of many of those systems are broken. Such a shame for the victims. I can periodically check with his local SARC and family advocacy offices over the years. This is how you get ghosts. You hired a liability, that's all. A liability with demons that talk in his sleep. His secrets will be revealed. Yours too, a protector and therefore enabler of victim silencing. He didn't have a soul to sell you when he signed his dead life away for a country he doesn't care about. It was all for the medical school money you gave him, a murderer. He will be wearing your uniform and your name when he receives his judgement. You will inherit his shame. Your defense is set on the wrong side, but you can turn around at any time. Helpful tip for those who like to abuse the weak and soulless:: His weaknesses are cocaine and sodomy. You can help him out of his depression with these. He had that depression far before he killed. Maybe it started when he let all those boys fill him with snake venom during their little ritual games? Boys and their brotherhoods. Till then, I will wait patiently in the icy corner of this frozen lake, gnawing here at this cranial matter that is so hard to put down. We should always do what is right, even when no one is looking. Because that is how a person honorably serves. Where is your Honor? Who do you Serve?
Great video Rachel! Information that anybody looking into this will definitely need and help them👍
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Hey Rachel! Great video you answered most of my questions. Just one question I think you forgot to answer the last one! -
10. If I finish medical school and become a GMO and train as a flight surgeon for 4 years, do I need to still complete a residency or does that count as paying back the 4 year scholarship?
Thank You
That would count as payback if you did 4 years GMO!
Hi great video! Thanks for this resource. What would you recommend to someone who needs to get waivers to be "medically fit"? Should i do that before I start applying or while I apply? thanks!
Hey! I saw in the air force website that you had to wear your uniform to class during the 45 days you have to be in active duty per year during med school, could you talk to me about it?
Hi, I actually didn’t know about that rule myself! I’ve talked to the other HPSP students at my school that are M2s and they’ve never mentioned it & i haven’t seen anyone wear uniforms at school (although we haven’t been on campus as much as normal with covid). It seems like it could be a rule that isn’t really followed stringently bc there’s no way to really make sure people are following it
Hey Rachel! If you do your residency with the military instead of civilian, does that count for pay back time?
hi nancy :)! no, doing your residency with the military doesn't count as payback time. i think their thinking is that they want you a full attending physician for it to count as your payback time
@@racheldoesbalance Got it! Thank you.
Hey Rachel,
Just wondering if you knew anything about the Pilot Physician Program within the USAF? That’s my primary interest, but I haven’t been able to get much info out of my recruiter.
i dont know much about it, i do know it is a real thing and it is very competitive bc you need to qualify for and finish both med school and training .. i believe ppl typically do the pilot training then the med school but i could be wrong. i would ask your recruiter to get you in contact with someone else bc most hpsp recruiters arent experts/trained in that bc its such a rare thing
Does your 4 years of med school in the HPSP program count to your 20 years of service to a pension ?
no, it doesnt!
So if I get 3 yrs of medical school paid for I need to serve 3yrs of active duty?
If I’m interested in aerospace medicine and once I go to active duty to repay the military I get a job as an aerospace physician?
Hi Rachel,
With the HPSP, is the stipend that the military provides in addition to BAH? Or is BAH not included with the HPSP? Thank you!
It’s not included, it’s just a set stipend!
Thank you!@@racheldoesbalance
Talking to a recruiter right now and he is promising 100% match rate in the military. All I want to do is ensure I get into surgery. Is this false? are my chances higher if I do HPSP instead of only civilian?
Hey, Rachel!!
I am currently a firefighter/paramedic. I found my passion for medicine but I'm concerned it may be too late I am turning 26 this month. I would love to be an emergency room physician for our military. I currently have an associate's degree and my GPA was only 2.6. When I was in school I did not put my effort into studying because I had other responsibilities. Do you think it would still be possible to get into ROTC for a pre-med degree?
That’s amazing!!! No, it’s not too late. I would suggest trying to do a post bac or taking some extra classes & continuing to bolster your resume (being a firefighter/paramedic is excellent already), networking as much as possible, & getting amazing letters of rec. it’s possible and you CAN do it !!!
Yes you could still do ROTC if you wanted to go back to get your bachelors i belive
I am a new grad nurse in the military, and I am wondering if I could apply to HPSP in the future to pursue CRNA? Thank you in advance.
Yes I do believe they have scholarships for CRNAs! I know they use CRNAs in the military
Military residency doesn’t count towards your service commitment, but does it count towards your 20 years of service for retirement?
And what is the yearly commitment like? Are the 45 days of training physical or medical?
Yes it counts towards your retirement bc you’re active duty in a military residency (I’m pretty sure). You’re on 45 days of active duty per year but sometimes you might not do anything and you’re just at school, or you could be going to COT or on an ADT at a military hospital in your 4th year. You’ll get paid 45 days active duty pay even if the ADT isn’t 45 days
Hello! I am 32 years old, I’m a firefighter paramedic. I got an associates degree. Do you believe it’s too late for me? I did 3 years active duty NAVY and got honorable discharge.
no, i dont think so! I would talk with a recruiter to check on age limits for when you can start hpsp. I'm not sure what the AF/navy one is but i believe the army's is the highest, at 40-42. so as long as you get going on your premed classes, clinical experience, and all that soon, you should be able to start med school/hpsp in the next few years!
Also, if you use the hpsp scholarship for four years and then attend a 5 year general surgery residency with the military. How many years of payback in active duty is that?
yes, you can do a 4 year scholarship then an active duty surgery residency. you would go to school, do the 5 year residency, then owe 4 years as an attending surgeon after the military residency. your residency, even if its active duty, doesn't count for payback years
if you did a civilian sponsored residency, i believe you would owe 9 years of service after because its a civilian sponsored residency, not active duty one!
@@racheldoesbalance@tashiel Hi! Many people on online forums mentioned that the residency does itself incur a service commitment, however, it is concurrent with the 4-year HPSP commitment. Since most residencies are 4 years or less, I think the military advertises the scholarship as a 4-year commitment only. However, for some of the longer residencies, like general surgery, the payback time will be 1-for-1 based on the length of the residency. General surgery will have a 5-year payback time. Plastic surgery, for example, necessitates a 6-year commitment. I might be wrong, but that was the general impression I gathered from reading a bunch of SDN/reddit posts.
@@shadmankabir9202 @tashiel its my understanding that the type of residency that you do determines your payback years: there are 3 different kinds - military, civilian sponsored, civilian deferred. in my HPSP info video th-cam.com/video/pE-quaojsiY/w-d-xo.html i go over all the differences in the info box about the video.
if you do a military residency for 3 years, after you finish that residency, you only owe 4 years of active duty service as an attending. if you do a civilian sponsored residency, you incur +1 year for every year that you were in that civilian sponsored residency. if you do a civlian deferred residency, you dont incur any extra years, and will owe 4 years after residency if you had a 4 yr scholarship.
im not sure if those people on SDN were talking about if they were in a cilivian sponsored plastic surgery residency, bc if that was the case, they would owe +1 yr bc it was a civilian sponsored residency.
i could see the military adding on another year of service from 4 to 5 years if they train you in a 5 yr surgery residency bc in their eyes, they dont want to train you for 5 yrs, then only have you for 4 yrs - so they'd at least want as much time from you as an attending as years that they trained you for.
the above is my understanding of the situation, but you could be right shadman! the reason why i wanted to make videos on this was so i could shed some light and clarity on the process bc obviously it is a confusing one :) lucky for me i dont think i want to go into general surgery or plastic surgery haha but i will try to find this out!
what is the age limit to apply for HPSP?
18, but typically the youngest a person can apply to become a doctor is after 4 years of undergrad so the youngest would be 22 then there are those special cases of people who graduated early so you’ll get rare 21-20 year olds that apply. The oldest you can be is around 40 I don’t know the exact number but each branch is different and doctors are a special case so you will most likely get an age waiver because the military wants doctors especially if you apply and get accepted to use the HPSP.
They had a great response! It’s pretty much 21/22-early forties i believe, and each branch has a slightly different cut off but i believe it is in the early 40s
why do some people prefer military match instead of civilian match?
It is case by case dependent and based on everyone’s opinions/preference of course but most likely because they are excited to start practicing/get trained in military medicine right out of med school, and the pay is better than civ residencies
@@racheldoesbalancehi, does the pay is also better working as a civilian surgeon than a military surgeon ( after residency)? I heard the pay is less but just want to confirm.
Also , can you work as a civilian surgeon after you complete your years of commitment in the military?
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Great video and super helpful! One question: is there a specific undergrad major (ie biology, or other science/premed major) that you need to have to be accepted into hpsp or can you be any undergrad major you want? Thank you!!
thank you! :)
you do not have to have any specific major to be accepted to Hpsp, you just have to make sure you take all of your required premed classes so you can then get accepted to a medical school, then show hpsp your medical school acceptance, or at least that you are getting interviews from schools!
@@racheldoesbalance Awesome! Thank you so much!! And thank you for your service. Best wishes.
How different is the Navy hpsp?
all the HPSP branches have basically the same requirements while in medical school, so not much difference there.
if you're a navy hpsp grad you'll probably be on a ship or on a naval base near the ocean, which you wouldn't do in the army or air force. the navy is a great branch!
Are you worried about having to serve active duty for an 8 year time commitment? Because of the fact that burnout could happen,lack of stability, etc.
honestly that is something that ive thought about. 8 years is a long time, but its also a short time, its all relative really. i believe that i will face many challenges and trials as an active duty physician, but will also have so many privileges, amazing experiences, and be able to meet and treat incredible people, servicemembers, and veterans. i know my experience will shape me into the person I am ultimately supposed to be.
i like to think that everything works out perfectly in divine timing, and that this is my path and i am meant to be on it, for whatever reason. :)
@@racheldoesbalance why do you have to serve 8 years and not 4? i thought it was one year of active service per year of school paid.
@@lilyneuman3015 that’s correct! I will be doing 8 because i also did rotc and had a scholarship from that
How would I go about trying to put in a formal report against a medical student in Texas that was accepted into your program? He forced me into an unwanted and unsafe abortion and left me in a pool of blood. He is scared of blood, by the way. Terrible follow-up skills, bled for months and he was just crossing his fingers I would "get over it" and stop seeking justice.
You hired a murderer. A cold murder. He only cared that you were paying his medical school tuition. He declined all opportunities given to him to work with vets in the past...he is evil person...these issues tend to resurface when not taken care of.
He has no desire to "fix" this. He is a coward that just lets problems bleeeeed out...out of his sight.
im extremely sorry that this happened to you, and i hope that you are doing okay, physically and mentally. I would contact law enforcement if this person forced you into a medical procedure that you did not want. im very sorry to hear that this was your experience
@@racheldoesbalance Thanks, unfortunately they refuse to write anything down. They won't file the report. So weird.
@@racheldoesbalance It seems the Integrity of many of those systems are broken. Such a shame for the victims. I can periodically check with his local SARC and family advocacy offices over the years. This is how you get ghosts. You hired a liability, that's all. A liability with demons that talk in his sleep. His secrets will be revealed. Yours too, a protector and therefore enabler of victim silencing. He didn't have a soul to sell you when he signed his dead life away for a country he doesn't care about. It was all for the medical school money you gave him, a murderer. He will be wearing your uniform and your name when he receives his judgement. You will inherit his shame. Your defense is set on the wrong side, but you can turn around at any time. Helpful tip for those who like to abuse the weak and soulless:: His weaknesses are cocaine and sodomy. You can help him out of his depression with these. He had that depression far before he killed. Maybe it started when he let all those boys fill him with snake venom during their little ritual games? Boys and their brotherhoods. Till then, I will wait patiently in the icy corner of this frozen lake, gnawing here at this cranial matter that is so hard to put down. We should always do what is right, even when no one is looking. Because that is how a person honorably serves. Where is your Honor? Who do you Serve?