Compare: Gaggia Magenta vs. Gaggia Cadorna Automatic Espresso Machines
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- The Gaggia Magenta and Gaggia Cadorna are the newest automatic espresso machines from Gaggia. In this video, AJ and Marc take you though the similarities and differences between the Gaggia Magenta Prestige, Gaggia Magenta Plus, Gaggia Cadorna Barista Plus, Gaggia Cadorna Milk, and Gaggia Cadorna Prestige. We'll brew a drink on each machine and even pour a little latte art!
0:00 Intro
1:11 Magenta Prestige
5:03 Magenta Plus
7:46 Cadorna Milk
11:23 Cadorna Prestige
14:55 Cadorna Barista Plus
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Just ordered a Magenta Prestige scheduled to be delivered in two days! Can't wait!
Guys, I love how detailed that comparison was! it definitely helped me decide which is the best suited model for me (Cardona Prestige looks amazing for me). The content is great, I love how you cover all differences, main functionalities, also the extra comments about the way they do double shots and Americano - this kind of thing is priceless because it is not something you would get out of the usual product details. It is a very nice pro touch on this kind of reviews, which honestly makes giagantic difference when you are shopping from a range of machines which are seemingly the same kind of features.
If you have time, I had a question. I noticed that you haven't reviewed anything from Saeco lately and was wondering why? From what I see models like Saeco Xelsis Deluxe could be competitive to Cardona/Magenta Prestige. I read some articles but they are not as good and detailed as your comparisons. What is your opinion on the Saeco models that are in the price range of Magenta/Cardona Prestige? Who would be your personal favourite?
We just got our Gaggia Magenta yesterday and love it. We're a couple, one drinks espresso and one milky drinks so didn't need multiple profiles. So quick and easy and makes great drinks. After watching your review the other day I didn't need to read the instructions but was able to get straight into brewing, thanks for the well timed video 👍
Hi Helen, I’m glad you’re happy with your new machine and that it makes tasty drinks 😊. All the best wishes. - Sandy
Hi Helen, Thanks for sharing your experience - timing really did work out. It's a very easy machine to use but do take a look at the manual (with a nice drink!) for maintenance info. Give the machine a little love and it will give it back for many years!
Marc
Still satisfied?
So very helpful ☺thank you
You're so welcome!
Marc
Got a Cadorna Barista Plus from Whole Latte Love almost 2 years ago and it’s been great. Our favorite espresso beans to use with it so far (also from WLL) has been the Fuego. Mild but tasty, every time.
Thanks for sharing your experience. We love both that machine and those beans!
Great video fun and informative, sweet latte art, very nice machines
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
AJ
First time watcher. Great video. With working from home I'm tired of Keurig coffee 😩
Hey DLove, Thanks for the kind comment. I feel you on the K "coffee"!
Marc
This was just the video i was hoping for. Been dragging my feet on cordona barista, then this magenta comes out also with barista wand.
Hey obh, Your hopes have been answered. Here's hoping the video makes your decision easier!
Marc
Mark, really enjoy all your vids, thank you. Money aside, if you could only have one super auto, which make / model would it be?
Hi AM, Thanks for the kind comment and question. My daily driver in the studio last 7 months has been the Cadorna Prestige. I like the machine a lot. I do at least two Americanos daily and the occasional flat white which is my favorite milk drink. We have a few other people using the machine so each of us having our own profile on the machine is handy. Money aside the best available IMO is the Jura GIGA 6. It's about 3x the price of the Cadorna Prestige has insane features like 2 bean hoppers which can mix into a single drink if desired. It does 2 milk drink simultaneously and has very adjustable froth density and mixing plus adjustable milk temps: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-giga-6
Marc
Hi Marc. Thanks a lot for this comparison, I really needed it as I am trying to decide between the Magenta Prestige and the Cadorna Prestige. Which of the 2 Gaggia would you choose? Is there a difference in taste/quality (assuming I.m using the same beans on both)?
For the cortado, since I'm really looking for that creamy feel of the milk, not foamy like in cappuccinos, is one Gaggia doing it better than the other?
Also, is there a grinder setting that can be used for espresso and all the other drinks so I don't have to change it, but also not sacrifice quality in one or the other? Or should I use a certain setting for espresso and then change if I want milk based or americano?
And lastly, do you know if cortado & flat white are available worldwide for these 2 machines or only for the US market? I.m form Europe (Romania).
Thanks a lot in advance!
Fabulous video. Great information. I don't know if it has been asked, I scrolled through and couldn't see. Is there any difference in quality of froth between the milk carafe one and the one where the milk is in the glass jar with the tube? (wand is too much work for me🙂) Does that make a difference? Thanks so much for these videos. I have been looking for a while at different machines and I love the changeable temperature offered here. My current machine make the coffee luke warm so I have to put hot water in the tank before use every time - hence looking for a new machine.
nice job on this video
Hey Bruce, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
I'm a little over 800 shots into my cadorna prestige! Roll on 15k! Thanks for the video!
Hey Richard, You are welcome for the video. Thanks for your comment!
Marc
HI, thank you very much for an excellent review. I have been following you for few years, great selection and video covering product features with demonstration. I am building courage to go for a super automatic ($$$). But I am always torn between the Barista type touch vs convenience of automatic like Prestige. If one is a regular coffee drinker, how easy is it to use a Barista model? Also will the Milk model double as a Barista?
Hi JM, Thanks for the question. Making milk drinks with the Prestige or Milk models is very convenient. On models with a commercial style manual steam wand there is a bit of skill/technique involved. But get that down and you'll have more precise control of froth density and milk temperature. It's not hard to do, just takes a little practice and effort. Here's a fantastic video AJ made on Milk frothing for beginners that takes you through the technique right through to pouring latte art. Watch the video and if you feel it's something you can do then the machines with manual steam wand might be a better choice: th-cam.com/video/4PSCsv7kcKA/w-d-xo.html
The milk model works like the Prestige - just a different way of getting milk into the cup.
Marc
Great video as always AJ and Marc. Any chance we can the inside of the Cadorna Prestige?
Hey T, Thanks for the comment. If you go here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-prestige There's a still photo of the internals showing brew group etc. May also have opened up in this video: th-cam.com/video/cXpgP705LB4/w-d-xo.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Marc, thanks for your response, however neither of the above links show the internals of the Cadorna Prestige. What I am really after is for you to remove the outer casing and show everyone the full internals of this machine. I, perhaps others as well, are interested to see and hear your comments on the quality of the parts used by Gaggia.
Can you please tell me which machine would you prefer Cadorna or Delonghi prima donna soul?
Gaggia has a very serious flaw with milk carafe spout (Cadorna Prestige), if you put it along with the container in the fridge, the milk blocks the passage whether you flush it, wash or wathever. And this leads to milk carafe not dispensing any milk. To avoid this issue, take out the milk dispensing spout when you put the milk in the fridge, just do a quick rinse under the water and let it dry to be ready for next use. Another solution is to use the cleaning tablets every couple of weeks.
Hi i, Thanks for the tips! Also, use the Quick Rinse function on the machine prior to removing the carafe to clean the spout.
Marc
Hi guys GREAT video right here . I can’t decide between the Cadorna Barista plus or the prestige. Price is not the issue but drink size ( travel cup ) and most importantly milk quality is. I like a a large latte twice a day is the auto milk frother as good or at least close to the manual wand of the plus. I like a micro foam . Hope you can help I appreciate it’s a year late. What one would you choose?
Hi Rhys, if you're very particular about froth you'll likely be happier with manual frothing on the Barista Plus. With that you can texture milk however you like and get to true micro-foam capable of pouring latte art. Froth from the Prestige carafe tends to be a little airier falling between micro-foam and airier traditional cappuccino froth.
Marc
When you made the latte macchiato on the Córdoba prestige , I’m not sure if that’s the way it is make the drink but the milk kind of exploded and splashed onto the pitcher. It sounds like a little high maintenance machine although the functionality and capability is superb.
Very good overview on the Gaggia machines but are the ceramic burr grinder components standalone replacement if and when they become worn out? Thanks.
Hi WN, Thanks for the comment and sharing your observation. Espresso and milk drinks can at times be a messy business. Every once in awhile random chaotic variables lineup to cause some spurts of milk. The proper sized and placed cup/glass helps control. Ceramic burrs hold their edge/sharpness longer than similar steel burrs. Unless damaged, burrs should be good for the life of the machine. With proper maintenance machine life is >15,000 brew cycles. And, we get regular reports of >20,000 brew cycles. In the unlikely event burrs need replacement one would replace the entire grinder assembly.
Marc
The Cadorna version that i can find online doesn't come with the thin steam wand like the one on the video but has a thinker tube. It is described as Gaggia Cadorna Plus (not Barista Plus). is that a different model?
Hi KA, The Barista Plus with the manual steam wand is a model available only in North America. Gaggia made it special for that market on our request. I believe the Gaggia Magenta Plus is available in most areas with the manual wand.
Marc
Thanks for the great video however I still feel uncertain about either getting the magenta prestige or the cadorna prestige. Space would not be a problem but would like your advice on what are the specific differences
Hi cl, Thanks for the question - I understand these decisions can be difficult! If you have not watched already you may learn more from our individual in-depth videos on each machine available at these links: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-magenta-prestige-super-automatic-espresso-machine
www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-prestige
Just scroll down to the video section and the Product Review tab
Some key differences: The Cadorna has a more premium feel to materials used in construction. a Good example is the metallic trim on the milk carafe. The Cadorna user interface is nicer with a larger color display surroned by soft touch buttons. The Cadorna's water reservoir is accessible from the front of the machine while the Magenta's is up top. The Cadorna has a metallic passively heated cup warming surface. The Cadorna has a few more drink options like XL versions of cappuccino and the latte macchiato. A key difference is the Cadorna can store 4 versions of each beverage in the user profiles. On the Magenta you can change programming of the drinks but can store only a single version of each drink.
Hope that helps!
Marc
They both have everything I need, we are just two at home and some visitors sometimes and yes te Magenta Prestige would do it for me but he Cadorna is simply more beautiful. Thanks for all the explanation.
Hi there,
Thanks for the review.
I was wondering. The Cardona Prestige vs the Magenta Prestige vs delonghi eletta explore.
Which machine is the best?
Hopefully you can answer my question!
Thank you!
Hi K, I prefer the Cadorna Prestige.
Marc
Hi Marc, great videos, my question is - does the magenta prestige have the same four heart settings to save drinks to like the cadorna? If not can family member’s save their individual drinks on the magenta prestige somewhere?
Hi Senna, Thanks for the comment and question. The Magenta does not have the the 4 heart settings. You can save just 1 version of each drink on the Magenta.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage cheers Marc.
Yes finally. :D
We had a lot of requests for this comparison!
Marc
Hi Marc! Do you recommend the Cadorna Prestige or the Philips LatteGo 5400 series or.... anything else under 1k? Best wishes from Norway!
Hi ARR, I like the Gaggia Cadorna. It was my daily driver in the studio for a bout a year until I got the new Gaggia Accademia.
Marc
hello!!if one wants only espresso (not milk drink) what is the difference between magenta - cadorna -naviglio regarding the quality of espresso? and because it is close to the price which one do you suggest between magenta prestige -cadorna prestige?also if I want to make cappuccino (in prestige model) and I want to make milk not with the carafe prestige but in another way, will there be a problem? thanks!!
Hi, The Cadorna has more control of espresso quality with more grid sizes to choose from. Also tends to make a slightly hotter drink than tyhe others. Yes you can make the milk using another method.
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for your answer!!
Great video. I'm looking to upgrade from the simplicity of a Nespresso machine to something like this for lower day to day cost as well as better coffee. Here's the only thing holding my wife and I back, she only likes one specific Nespresso pod, the Lungo Capriccio. She goes through 6 of them per day. She said she's in for a new machine to replace ours but I have to find this coffee in a bean form first. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Kinda late, but I'm going to point out that Nespresso IS NOT espresso, it's something else entirely, it's literally just coffee with a foaming agent to make fake (crema) to look like espresso. And as far as lungo capricio goes, lungo is a type of drink, and capricio is just a fancy name, it's not a real coffee. You would simply just try a darker roast made into a lungo to get something that could be called that. But it wouldn't taste the same.
Thanks for the explanation
I got Kadourna two weeks ago, but the counter registers very high numbers. I did not find a way to adjust it. Factory settings did not work. Is there a way?
Hi mj, You are welcome. Assuming you bought the Cadorna used. Unfortunately, no way I'm aware of to reset the beverage counters.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for replaying
Aj is cute. Love your reviews ❤️
I'm team blue 💙 too! Love my beast as I've called my Cadorna milk
Hi Elena, You just made AJ's Day!
Marc
On the Gaggia Cordona Milk, is there an attachment so you can froth your own milk if you want too? And does it come with a glass container for the milk?
Hi Beth, Yes, The Latte Art Wand accessory is available to froth your own milk: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-latte-art-pannarello-wand-147430150
The machine does not come with container for milk.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage So you are saying the Cordona MILK doesn't come with a container for milk. I thought it did and I thought you said there was a new glass container coming. When I called in the sales lady said the Cordona MILK was set up so you could froth your own milk OR use the milk container that comes with it.
Flat white is my drink of choice and I like to make it with a commercial wand (vs auto froth). I also like to make 2 at a time. Is there any advantage of the Magenta Barista vs the Cadorna Barista (4 programable profiles not an issue). Thanks!!
Hi Colleen, Thanks for the question. If the user profiles are not important then the Magenta Barista is a good choice. Both machines use the same process for making espresso/coffee so no difference in quality there. Only exception is the Cadorna has 10 grind settings and it's 5 on the Magenta. So more precision in grind size setting on the Cadorna. Majority of users will not notice a difference with fewer grind settings. The Cadorna has front slide out access to the water reservoir and used coffee drawer. Water access for Magenta is up top so be aware of that if placing the machine under overhanging cabinetry. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage If I wanted to program 2 drinks with 2 double shots, would they both program to do it?
I’m thinking about the cadorna prestige would I need to adjust the grind setting for every drink or is there a happy medium to keep it on?
It depends what different drinks you mean. If they are espresso based you don’t need to change (espresso, cappuccino, latte macchiato, flat white) for the others I don’t know but could be that you need to adjust for americanos or lungos but usually i think you can find a setting that works for all your drinks! of course if you change the beans you probably want to adjust... Hope that was helpful - cheers
@@sandyd4271 thank you so much!
@@pamprin454 like Marc suggests, I leave mine on the finest grind, back off if a new coffee needs it!
Hey A :, @ Sandy gives excellent advice as does @Richard Walsh - Thanks guys!
Marc
Just bought the. Cadorna Prestige. Love the machine but the milk container leaked out all over the fridge. Only done it once but anyone know why? There is no crack in the container etc
Hi William, Happy to hear you love the Cadorna Prestige! I use the Cadorna carafe a lot and have never had that happen. A few possibilities... residual milk in the frothing head leaked out, some weird pressure or temperature change that pushed milk out while in fridge. Did you do a Quick Milk Clean before returning carafe to fridge? That should clear residual milk in the carafe's frothing components and is best practice after using the carafe. It's available anytime by pressing Clean/Settings then Clean and Quick Milk Clean.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Thanks for this review. Will this machine hold up to making say 50-60 drinks a day? I work in commercials and tv and want to make sure it can handle the abuse. Any help/ guidance would be much appreciated!!
Hi Yule, You're welcome! It could do that volume but not really designed for that level of service. The water reservoir and used coffee capacities will mean the machine requires lots of attention. For that number of drinks I'd look at a Jura professional machine with much higher capacities like this one: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/super-automatic-espresso-machines/products/jura-giga-w3-professional
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks so much for reply. But a 5k machine is out of my budget at this moment. Do you feel it's just the water reservoir or do you think running that many drinks through it is going be problematic?
Hello, what is the milk frothing like? is it a different textures for the different drinks?
Hi Stephen, Thanks for the question. The machines which do the frothing for you it's the same texture used for all drinks. It's a very fine froth. What makes a difference is flipping of the milk prep order by drink type. For example for a cappuccino milk is frothed first. For a flat white it's espresso first then milk. The Magenta Plus and the Cadorna Barista have a manual frothing wand so you can do the milk however you like.
Marc
Is it possible to add a shim to the grinder to make it grind finer? Even at the finest setting and highest dose, espresso still flows too fast.
Hi OB, Sounds like you are maybe trying to compare shot timing on a super-automatic to that of a semi-automatic machine? If so, know that super-autos have a different design to their brewing chamber so you will not get similar timing.
Hi, I could really use some help deciding between the Magenta Prestige and the Magenta Plus. My fiance just bought a Classic Pro, but I absolutely hate the inconsistency of shots (especially when he makes them) and I want something fancier. He is really into latte art and wants a hands on machine, while I prefer something more automatic. I worked at Starbucks for 5 years and had my fill of being a barista! I enjoy plain ristretto shots and an occasional flat white, but I'm not sure if I will regret not having the steam wand for a once in a while cappuccino. I also have a feeling the latte art is just a phase of my fiance's and he will eventually appreciate a one-touch machine. Thanks for the video and please help ASAP!
Forgot to mention that we only use non-dairy milk! I heard that may make a difference in froth quality.
Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for the question. Going through a latte art phase or just trying to impress his fiance? The Prestige like most machines with automatic frothing does a middle ground froth quality. A bit airier than what you want for latte art and not quite as airy as a traditional dry cappuccino. With the milk order prep flip based on drink the Magenta Prestige does a nice job on flat white (milk last), and cappuccino (milk first). Of course if you want ultimate control of froth quality you have to go with a manual wand like on the Classic or Magenta Plus. You will have more consistent and convenient espresso with an automatic but they do not have the same potential quality as a semi-auto like the Classic. Non-dairy milks do make a difference in froth quality and brand choice plays a roll in that. Here's a video in which we tested a number of non-dairy milk types in manual and automatic frothing machines: th-cam.com/video/jO9l7oENq1Q/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi is there a seal on the bean storage or is it open?
The bean hopper is covered by a plastic door, but it's not an air-tight seal.
AJ
American is my wife's preferred drink. I too drink more Americans then milk but do enjoy one fairly often. With that said, Gaggia Magenta prestige or Anima prestige? Your help team were great, we went with the Magenta Prestige.
Hey Mark, I'd go with the Magenta Prestige. Americanos are one step process on the Magenta.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, it has been ordered and shipped, with the beans your team suggested. Your videos are so helpful.
I have a more than 10 year old, much loved Gaggia Acedemia that only speaks to me now in error messages. After calling sales and looking through WLL videos for what to get next, I’m more confused than ever. Which machine? How does one decide and who would you talk to?
Hey Trip, I understand the Accademia love. Was my daily driver in the studio for more than a year. 10 years speaks to the durability of the design. I’m curious what your drink counter says for number of beverages made. We get regular reports of >15,000. If you loved the old Accademia your going to love the new version a whole latte more. Makes the best espresso I’ve ever had from a bean to cup machine, it’s beautiful with an incredible user interface. Check it out here including my in-depth video on the new model: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-accademia-espresso-machine
Marc
I was also told that the Magenta line was assembled in Italy and the Cadorna in China.
Hi Craig, Well, whoever told you that was wrong as of May 2018 all Gaggia Machines super-automatic and semi-automatics are made in Gaggio Montano (Bologna), Italy. More info on that here: www.gaggia.com/proudly-made-in-italy-en/
Marc
What’s the difference in coffee flavor with these super automatic machines vs a manual one? Are you losing anything there for the convenience?
Hi Jon, the biggest difference is that there's much higher ability to tweak and dial in different variables on manual/semi-automatic machines. Depending on the machine and grinder, you can be extremely specific with grind size, dose, brew temperature, pressure, and flow. Super automatics have some level of customizability but as you mentioned they're designed for convenience. You can certainly get great coffee out of super autos, and I know people that prefer the taste from these machines, but there's a greater opportunity to customize the manual machines to find the perfect taste to suit your preferences, with a bit more practice and patience.
AJ
Can I get a true double shot flat white espresso on the Cordova Plus? (Like you showed you could on the Magenta?
Yes, all Gaggia super-auto machines will run 2 grind cycles when 2 espresso/coffee is selected.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your help. I think I will get the Plus then. I'm a school teacher so dropping 800 bucks is a big deal for me so thanks for telling me the features. I plan to order it from your website next week. Any public school teacher discounts?
Love this video. Trying to choose between the 2 magentas. I know you have said the prestige makes the drinks in traditional Italian order. Can I ask does the milk texture/foam/density alter automatically to suit each recipie or is it a case of "one foam fits all"?
Hi Annette, The models which froth automatically do one density type. What does make a difference is flipping the milk prep order based on the drink being made. So it's milk first for a cappuccino or latte macchiato and espresso first for drinks like the flat white. If you want complete control of froth style/density then choose the Magenta Plus or Cadorna Barista Plus. Those machines have the commercial style manual steam wand. It takes a little skill to use but once you've got the technique you can make whatever density or milk temp you like. Be aware the commercial wand on the Cadorna is only available in North America.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks so much. I have never frothed milk before. I'm thinking it could become competitive in our house if we both start learning! I have read complaints about the milk in the carafe on the cadorna lacking in temp I know you said you use that in the studio every day, I'm guessing you haven't had such issues?
A
I 've read 1 or 2 articles that gaggia machines are making less strong coffee compared to other super automatic machines, even with the same settings? (same grams of coffee, same coffee beans, same amount of water) Do you believe that this is true? Also is it possible to make a video comparing automatic coffee machines which one makes stronger coffee keeping the same settings? and a video comparing gaggia vs jura?
Hi, Thanks for the question/request. Actually I think it's quite the opposite. The Gaggia Magenta and Cadorna machines in this video use a dose of 6.5 - 11.5 grams per grind cycle. If you like it strong program a shorter espresso/coffee and have the machine make a double and can use up to a 23g dose of ground coffee. Gaggia machines will run 2 grind and brew cycles when requesting 2 cups. But you can make those 2 cups into a single cup for a very strong drink. It depends on the Jura model but max ground coffee dose on most is ~14g. When requesting 2 cups on a Jura more brew water is passed through that ground coffee and Jura machines only do a single grind cycle.
Marc
I really want to see the prestige with a steam wand like the barista plus, weekdays I will let the machine do the work with the milk pitcher before I go to work, then on weekends use the steam wand for a personal textured foam, really think they are missing a trick here, I was looking at the babila but it’s has an ageing screen and doesn’t look as easy to use as these new machines
Hey James, Thanks for the comment. Yes, you have to go to either the Gaggia Accademia or Babila for the pitcher frothing plus a manual wand. I agree the screens and UI are not as up to date on those machines as the newer Gaggia Models. But they are reliable, well built machines.
Marc
Could you use vegan milk for these or is it going to damage the machines?
Hi Zlatka, from the manufacturers manual for the machine, "You can use either whole milk or semi-skimmed milk. Also, you can use skimmed, soy or lactose-free milk."
That said, I recently ran oat, almond, soy, and coconut through this exact machine with no issues other than some curdling from the oat. I'll have a video coming out about this in the coming weeks.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you so much! I wouldn't have a problem with less foam or something just worried if it'll clog in time.
Hello Guys, I now have a jura ena 9 and thinking about getting me a Gaggia. I want one with the milk (magenta milk or cadorna milk) can somebody help me?
Hi O, For sure we can help! Contact us here for sales assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Marc
Espresso looks fairly underextracted. Time to draw a shot was far too quick. What was your grind set to? If it was set to fine, these would not be my machines of choice.
When will you carry the Magenta Milk?
Hi Doug, Thanks for the question. No plans to carry the Magenta Milk at this point. The Cadorna Milk is very similar: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-milk
Marc
Why don't you mention that Cardrona Milk can also be used as a manual wand frother? This gives the best of both worlds, much like Babila for less money and nice UI........ Or is the wand too short to be of use?
Hi Peter, Thanks for the question. One can do that but as you mention the wand length can present some challenges.
Marc
Can you do latte art with the Cardona milk machine when you feel like doing it ?
Hi Jatin, You may be able to but it might require pouring the automatically frothed milk between frothing pitchers to get the milk consistency right. Another option is to use this in place of the Capp in Cup frothing system: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-latte-art-pannarello-wand-147430150
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for your prompt response, really appreciate. 👍
Is the heating element aluminum or stainless?
Hey t, Thanks for the question. Water is heated within a stainless steel pipe which spirals through a block of aluminum. Water does not come into contact with the aluminum.
Marc
Hi, thank you for your great review. As I compare dimensions, Cadorna is bigger than Magenta. However Magenta has bigger capacity of water tank and dreg drawer. Is it just aesthetic design and material which makes Cadorna bigger and heavier than Magenta?
I was planning to buy Cadorna Prestige but seems like Magenta Prestige does the same job for me ( I am aware extra features of Cadorna, thanks to you ) and there is no quality difference other than appearance. I want a decent flat white and long lasting machine. Do you think would Cadorna lasts longer than Magenta?
Hi OI, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and question. The materials used on the Cadorna are a bit more substantial making for a higher quality product. Longevity is in large part determined by using good quality water and performing routine maintenance. With more robust materials used in the case construction the Cadorna can take a bit more abuse. Flat white is essentially the same quality from either machine.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Smoke coming out of the side of the machine @ 4:00 😱 LOL. The Magenta would be a better fit under my kitchen cupboards but the front loading water container of the Cadorna would be less hassle.
It looks more like steam 😅
@@sandyd4271 Yeah I know, but "smoke" sounds much more dramatic. 😀
Hi Mark, Yep that's steam. Machine is purging excess heat. Front loading Cadorna is less hassle with overhead cabinets.
Marc
Can they used as a commercial machines? Can the handle to make 100 coffees per day?
No
@@milcicm thanks
True, not for commercial use.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage anything to suggest fpr commercial use. On superautomatic?
Here's a link to our currently available commercial machines: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/commercial-espresso-machines
What’s the difference between Gaggia Cadorna Barista plus and Gaggia Magenta plus? Also why the first one is not available worldwide? This is so unfair
Could you please answer my question?
How much does it grind for double espresso ?
That depends on the intensity level you want your coffee. The 5 beans as Mark said is 11 grams while the 1 bean I imagine is 6.5 grams. So a double espresso could have as low as 13g of coffee to 22g of coffee.
@@gonzoducks8 awesome thx. Do you know if this is the same brewing mechanisms you find on Phillips (seaco)
Thanks for the question. Range for double espresso is 11-23g.
The brew unit is similar to the Phillips/Saeco machines. Slight differences among their different models.
Marc
Three years ago I had a seaco very similar to the Gaggia Besana . That was a very bad experience. Even on the highest setting Coffee came out very weak and dull. Has anything changed over the years in the design of the brew unit ? I’m worried that if I buy a new superautomatic I will get the same bad experience
@@gonzoducks8 so you can't do it like on a semi-automatic with cca 18g in one shot? In comparison if you must do it 2 times to get a double espresso, is there ultimately more water in a drink on automatics?
Can you make a large mug of coffee with all these machines
Hi Lyn, Thanks for the question. Yes you can. If yoou like larger cups I'd suggest using the Americano rather than the coffee. Purer better flavor IMO.
Marc
The gaggia Cadorna milk does not dispense the proper quantity of milk... always underdelivers despite cleaning several times.. Event the crew at WLL could not help with this... so basically works as an automatic espresso machine but not as a milk coffee drink maker at my home....disappointed somewhat
Hi RV, Sorry to hear you are having less milk delivered than expected. Are you able to increase the programmed amount to compensate? Milk delivery amount is an estimation. There is some variability based on milk type and other factors. I do prefer the system on the Cadorna which uses liquid volumes to that of other machines which use time.
Marc
Fist for the second time today 🤩
And Sandy goes 2 for 2!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Sandy must wait for you Marc, good on him, think by the time it gets to the highlands of Scotland, it’s done in. Lol.
Kind regards to the two of you from me in Scotland 🏴 🏴🏴.
Johnny
@@Swimmingforlife. Hi Johnny. I have the push notifications on and the bell activated 🤩. But i’m not so far away from you in the end. Sitting in Zurich, so we have the same time zone. My best wishes to you in Scotland and you Marc in the US. Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Thanks for the wishes! By the way I'm about 50% Swiss from my Dad's side the rest mostly English from Mom's. Excellent skier and beer drinker. :)
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Cool 😎 Marc! I had no idea! Do you still have relatives here? and do you visit? I am Swiss but also Italian 🇨🇭🇮🇹 cheese chocolate coffee and wine 🥰
Quick question; are those both made in italy 🇮🇹 or EU?
Hi Sandy, All Gaggia machines are made in Italy.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc. I wasn’t sure because at some point the classic was made outside of italy and the new classic is now again made in italy. but I wasn’t sure about the fully automatic models!
For a true review or VS make the exact same coffee on all of them🤷🏻♂️