In The Studio - Akai MPC2000 vs. MPC2500

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  • @AyoMillz
    @AyoMillz ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm listening through my Apollo Twin, Kali Audio IN-8 monitors for perspective on my opinion. I found the 2500 to be very transparent. It was the exact the same as the original source. The 2000 had some subtle color/character that you can hear in the low end.

  • @spookypen
    @spookypen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    2k sounds a bit fuller, but for someone who is using the mpc primarily as a midi sequencer, the four outs and JJOS sends the 2500 way ahead for me.

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree!!!!!

    • @jaisonwoodard7267
      @jaisonwoodard7267 ปีที่แล้ว

      And then at any rate they both sound the same some people say that the drums hit harder on the 2000 bro to me they sell both the same listening to that maybe in certain situations the 2000 depending maybe my hit hard on certain samples but other than that you’re right the 2500 is way more advanced than the 2000 I thought about getting the 2000 but that is a big big gap bridge when it comes to learning and it is a real real learning process that you have to have the patience for and I only just patience but the time

  • @WaxDat8800
    @WaxDat8800 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Very slight frequency curve difference somewhere in the mids. A lot closer than I thought it would be. I suspect the magic is in how the converters react when driven hard.

    • @MrDragonkarp
      @MrDragonkarp 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Couldnt you use a guitar pedal eq just to push certain frequencies...

  • @GoodfaYou
    @GoodfaYou 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Cool comparison, in my experience with 2500, tweaking of send fx plus proper master EQ n Compression can make a huge difference in final output of punchy sound .. it can sound thick as thieves

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's up man!!! Thanks for sharing!!! That's a great tip!!!!

  • @DjALX396
    @DjALX396 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Did you sample the original source into both machines or was it transfered as a wav file? Are we testing playback digital to analog conversion or sampling into the engine (analog to digital). Would be interesting if you sample into both, then transfer the sampled wav file to a DAW and listen from same D/A convertor. That way wed only compare the A/D of the samplers... I own both MPC2000 and MPC5000 and yes they sound a bit different just like the MPC2500 to MPC2000. MPC2000 sounds more raw and hard hitting than my MPC5000. But again that may be because there is no EQ inside the MPC2000 and everything sounds flat way up to when you track it. When I make something on the MPC5000 i start filtering and EQing in early stages of the song and I lose that raw feeling way before I track. Just my two pennies TDS.. Keep up the good work!

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What’s up man!!! Thanks for reaching out! Here’s what was done.
      Q: Did you sample the original source into both machines or was it transferred as a wav file?
      A: The original source was sampled into both samplers via their respective analog inputs.
      Q: Are we testing playback digital to analog conversion or sampling into the engine (analog to digital)?
      A: We’re listening to what the same source sample sounds like played back on the MPC2000 and the MPC 2500 with an added pitched down version. Both the A/D & D/A are included. They both play an important role in the sound of any given sampler.
      The analog outputs of both samplers were recorded to the same digital audio recorder at the same resolution as the final destination. All filters were open on both samplers and the EQ and FX on the MPC2500 were bypassed.

  • @LousyFacelift
    @LousyFacelift 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't think much of the criticism (or even hate) on the MPC 2500 has to do with sound quality. I experienced some nasty random clicks and pops with mine and still can't figure out what causes them. A friend of mine has issues with some kind of background noise on his. I still have it but use it as a sequencer which is cool with its four MIDI outs. For everything else I have the Live now which I really like.

    • @LousyFacelift
      @LousyFacelift 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Kuzz Great info, I have to try that, thanks for letting me know!

    • @LousyFacelift
      @LousyFacelift 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Kuzz That would be really helpful, thanks!

  • @benedictlehmann2809
    @benedictlehmann2809 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Both sound great! I have never heard of the MPC2500 hate! Love my 2500! \O/

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What's up Benedict!!! I agree. There's definitely some MPC2500 hate out there for sure!!!!

  • @MGoolas
    @MGoolas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both 1000 and 2500 tend to thin the lower frequencies when they pitch down. Probably because of the algorithm.. That;s why is a good idea to add some low end from the mixer before you sample. I tend to add almost 6 7db at 60hz shelving and then filter the excess bass once i sample it

  • @jboogie51O700
    @jboogie51O700 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Mpc 2500 has a grainy sound. The 2000 series is more warm. I think the 2000 series has a LPF on its stereo outputs by default for drum harmonics.
    Sample a brass loop like a Earth Wind and Fire song with both machines and you’ll be able to hear the difference.

  • @geppetto1218v
    @geppetto1218v ปีที่แล้ว +1

    During your first comparison I looked away and thought you triggered the mpc2500 multiple times, when you actually switched between the models. So for me the difference doesn't exist when I don't know which machine is played before.

  • @gwEmbassy
    @gwEmbassy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another good comparison video. The results are interesting because to be honest I found the difference a lot more subtle that the S612/S950.
    The 2000 might be a little more direct sounding, I think I would need to hear both machines outside of TH-cam to express a definitive preference.

  • @IanHolden
    @IanHolden 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Must be honest, not seen much hate for the 2500. I own a 5000, now that gets some hate which is a shame because it really is a great machine. thanks for the video!

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep for sure!!! The MPC 5000 gets a whole other level of hate!

    • @musicman4197
      @musicman4197 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      the 5000 is an alesis fusion repackaged.

  • @Metamophisis
    @Metamophisis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always loved ❤️ the sound of the classic Mpc 2000.

  • @Evil12Killer
    @Evil12Killer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey, have you ever considered making a video about post sampler-sequencer export ? I mean how to preserve and even enhance a beat's sound quality, instead of tracking it into a pc's audio interface and ruining it with another analog to digital conversion... Like putting it on tape for exemple, I like to record my beats to my cassette deck then resample to my mpc (and then transfering the wav file to my daw). I'm new to this idea but I know that DJ Shadow for exemple tracked all his tracks out to a Alesis ADAT back when he was making his first album. It'd be great to have your input on the matter. Cheers! love your videos

    • @lagunagfx
      @lagunagfx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The ADAT is a digital tape recorder. Basically a multitrack DAT tape. You're not getting any "tape warmth" with it. DJ Shadow probably used it because it was what was available at the time. They were big in the nineties

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What LagunaGFX said.

    • @lagunagfx
      @lagunagfx 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Michał Mackiewicz much appreciated, man! Thanks a lot for checking ir out.
      Really nice ambient music on your stuff. Dziękuję !!!

    • @RoomAtTheTopStudio
      @RoomAtTheTopStudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lagunagfx You're on point with that. Back when that Alesis ADAT 8 track came out the industry standard in studios was 2 inch tape for 24 track recordings. ADAT was looked down on as inferior because it was too clean. We used it at our studio quite successfully then those same critics bought into buying ADAT machines too. It's hard to believe that was nearly 28 years ago.

  • @256k_
    @256k_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    who cares which is slightly better? getting bogged down like that in minuscule details is futile. the important thing is to make music. you could probably make a banger just with a casio toy keyboard and come up with nothing even if you had every single piece of gear you ever dreamed of.

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The irony...

    • @slim5481
      @slim5481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheDaydreamSound Oh the irony...

  • @jaetea1225
    @jaetea1225 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    from my experience, there is so much love for the 2500 but the 5000 seems to get a lot of flack due to perceived production (manufacturing) quality because of the faulty dimmer switch pcb that shipped with the 5000 stock. Upgrades are available but I just unplugged the PCB and use a book light to illuminate the screen myself.

    • @musicman4197
      @musicman4197 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the 5000 is actually an aless fusion repackaged.

    • @jaetea1225
      @jaetea1225 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@musicman4197 Yeah, except the fusion has a keyboard right? I know they have the same parts like the knobs and some printed circuit boards and probably the screen. I actually found out that all AKAI products are rebranded (I've seen a vintage rebranded TEAC reel to reel AKAI tape recorder) They're supposed to adhere to certain standards when they license the AKAI name. Numark is also the same company as Alesis. I've ordered Alesis parts for the 5000 through the Numark headquarters in California.

  • @givemore658
    @givemore658 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had the 2000 in the year 2000 . but never used it, my friend mad a crazy beat on it longtime ago... I was making beats on the Korg triton

  • @Guyforkz
    @Guyforkz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think the 2500 was a tiny bit clearer on the top end, which I prefer as you can always make it dirty..it's the more powerful unit with JJOS, theres no competition here 2500 FTW here.

  • @CainaanDC
    @CainaanDC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You have a good collection on gear I would love to hear some of your beats

    • @2pe772
      @2pe772 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Matthew 6: 24

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What's up Thelonius Cain!!! Thanks for watching!!! In the description box of every video there are links to my music. And while this channel is primarily a sampler/synthesis education channel there's actually playlists of my music here as well.

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @2P/E 2 Timothy 3:16

  • @Chukito
    @Chukito 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My personal sampler is the mpc2500. The difference I hear beatween the 2000 and the 2500 is that the 2000 sounds a little bit punchy. Which makes the drums sound better

  • @loma-uu5mg
    @loma-uu5mg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    why do people hate the 2500? It's fundamentally the same as the 1000 but larger and sturdier.

    • @jaetea1225
      @jaetea1225 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree I loved the portability of my first generation 1000 but dreamed about owning a 2500 just for the extra features and the CD drive on the 2500 which was actually a thing back then.

    • @deafbyhiphop
      @deafbyhiphop 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Just hip hop purists. They hate the crystal clear sound of the 2500 and prefer the warm grit of the older machines. Both have their uses in my opinion for hip hop

    • @loma-uu5mg
      @loma-uu5mg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've used both and actually prefer the 2500.

    • @therealliveguy
      @therealliveguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      because they don’t know what the hell they doing. It doesn’t matter what you use. It’s all in the mix. Yes you have VERY slight sound advantage with a 3000 over a 2500...but you have a huge workflow advantage with the 2500. It all evens out. But again...the mix is where it’s at.

  • @geevee7823
    @geevee7823 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The 2000 was also the first MPC that Roger Linn stopped being involved in.

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What's up man!!!! Yep!! I've heard so many different versions of this. Some say he was involved but his involvement was cut short while other accounts say that he had no involvement at all. I haven't looked further into it but I can reach out to people who are able to contact him and get his thoughts on it.

    • @MrDragonkarp
      @MrDragonkarp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheDaydreamSound I think the story goes that they took linn's designs before he left for a new mpc+added things they wanted to make the MPC2000XL

  • @weepwow
    @weepwow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    OK. I have Octatrack MK-II (and Roland sp404sx is coming this week). What would be a better machine between 2500 or 2000XL? I am leaning toward 2000XL, dont care about Mastering in the MPC, mostly care about the sound and workflow of sampling. And need to be able to send MIDI to either MPC from my Octatrack or Analog Four as Master.

  • @adambromley6972
    @adambromley6972 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I use that drum sample? Do you have links to where I can find it

  • @gushardware1647
    @gushardware1647 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Id wish you would give a tutorial on properly saving a beat to a floppy lol

  • @704queencitygoon6
    @704queencitygoon6 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The MPC 2000 is the best sounding MPC apart from the MPC 60. Especially if you’re into Boom Bap

  • @izaguirre5059
    @izaguirre5059 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If this was your first time with MPC and your choices were MPC 1000 & MPC ONE strictly for Hip Hop which one would you recommend?

    • @Yungcertified
      @Yungcertified 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      MPC Live 1 or 2

    • @slim5481
      @slim5481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you can get a newer machine like the MPC One over the 1000 it's no debate. Older models may be cool but when we talking that much of a generation gap just get the one

  • @embodie_breaks7089
    @embodie_breaks7089 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I took back my comment, but this comparisson has been done many many time before. Feel like we going back in time.
    Ive owned the 1000, 2500, 5000, and now the X. Ive used the 500, 2000xl and the 3000 before tho. Never got my hands on the 4000 for too much time tho.
    MPC 2500 JJOS for workflow, but 2000/2000xl for the (close to)S950 filter sound it has. The 2500 sound alittle empty unless you do specific things to your drums. I personally have always loved the 2500 as far as JJOS and it being a personal preference, but as far as actual hiphop sound and patterns... the 2000/2000xl takes the cake. You can do it in the 2500 but it forces you a bit more with the 2000/2000xl
    If akai makes a new standalone unit they should replicate the 2000xl look or the 2500 look with the sliders. I love the X but i do miss the faders... i just map em out to my mixer tho if needed these days

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a much more civil tone your using. As for going back in time; remember you chose to watch this video just as much as those who’ve done the same and enjoyed it. Again if you have nothing constructive to contribute to anything in life it’s best to spend your time in a more fulfilling manner.

  • @Ung97
    @Ung97 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey mayn, I've been watching a lot of your videos, and you seem like the right guy to ask about this. I have nowhere to get my hands on a sampler, so to buy one sampler to use for the unforeseeable future, should I be looking at Akai MPC 2500, 4000 or X? The X is new and crazy expensive, but might it be worth it? Or do the newer models not have the grit and feel as the old? I really like dirtier sounds, sounds with personality, rather than cleaner sounds. Thanks for everything, you're crazy skilled. :))

    • @anthonytoussaint1565
      @anthonytoussaint1565 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What kind of music are you trying to make?

    • @Ung97
      @Ung97 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anthonytoussaint1565 Hip hop duuuuude.

    • @anthonytoussaint1565
      @anthonytoussaint1565 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ung97 if you want a sampler get a mpc 2500 and get to work duuuude they’re cheaper than xl’s

    • @Ung97
      @Ung97 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anthonytoussaint1565 aaaah alright, bangin duuuuude

  • @JEFFMAN90
    @JEFFMAN90 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question have you ever used the 2000XL before and if so do they both sound the same?

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What's up man!!! I've always found the XL to sound a bit different but they have the same sampling engine.

  • @kltz78
    @kltz78 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You want phat with a MPC 2500? Use its filters and get an OG 404 just for the Vinyl Sim and bada bing!

  • @ladonnecowans1966
    @ladonnecowans1966 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We would like to hear your opinion on how they sound in comparison. What a lot people don't understand is that over TH-cam you can tell the difference in how things sound especially if there are similarities in the sound. You Tube compresses your audio when you upload your videos and this changes the color of the sound. What we want to know are both of these machine using the same sound engine. Your subscibribers and followers want hear your opinion, we are following you because we value your opinion.

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's up LaDonne!!! Thanks for reaching out! The compression of TH-cam really didn't have much of an affect on the tonal quality of these videos. What you're hearing is good enough to make a subjective decision. I've given my opinion on these two a good bit.

  • @kenzoblytheproducertv4934
    @kenzoblytheproducertv4934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2000 sounds fuller and more together

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What's up man!!!!! Thanks for sharing!!! I'm always interested to hear feedback on these two.

  • @Dodgyasdf
    @Dodgyasdf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2500 sounded a little more thin. Like, still had some punch but not as much boom.

  • @krewcialofficial
    @krewcialofficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    it's hilarious to see people loving the 2000, knowing that when it came out people thought it sounded horrible compared to every Akai sampler before that, from MPC 60 & 3000 to all series samplers. The 2000 marked a move towards a more neutral sound for Akai and cheaper components (after the S1100 which had fabulous AD converters). The sound differences between the 2000 and 2500 are extremely subtle and not something you'll notice on TH-cam with it's sound compression. I've owned an MPC60, 2000XL, 2000, 2500 and 1000. I do most of my work on the 1000, despite owning a 2500 as well. And currently considering moving to an MPC Live II. The sound of your music will be determined more by the preamps you use and your source material, and only very little by the converters in the MPC you use.

    • @littrandemakerjovy3770
      @littrandemakerjovy3770 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Old maschines are cool i also had all but now im on mpc live 2 and workflow is super fast

    • @favouritethings11
      @favouritethings11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Depends what you care about, the small details are what enspire someone to make a beat etc, just like a painter and their canvas, to us it's small but to the artist it creates texture etc

  • @brandonbrandino
    @brandonbrandino 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey big fan! What is your opinion on the mpc renaissance?

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's up Brandon!!! Thanks for reaching out! I haven't used one before. It's one of those instruments that I know very little about.

  • @jaetea1225
    @jaetea1225 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One difference you may want to compare is when you overlay the same sample on the 2000, people say there is no flange (?distorted effect sound) but when you play the same sample when over-layed twice like on the same pad on the 1000, 2500, and 5000, you sometimes get a flangey sound sometimes like the samples are not synced as tight as they are on the 2000. This happens when the same sample is twice on one pad and also when the same sample is played or triggered two times at the exact same MIDI time during playback. This can be kind of annoying sometimes when you are just trying to make the sound louder by overlaying but you end up with flangey effects louder instead.

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What's up Jae!!! I definitely haven't tried it but it's worth looking into for sure!

    • @MGoolas
      @MGoolas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      100% True, after the second or third hit you get phasing. The only way to avoid that is to resample and mix the samples in trim (jjos)

  • @HowardBaileyMusic
    @HowardBaileyMusic 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think the lower end of those samplers is all that different. You're mostly just hearing the difference between 4 and 7.xx kHz. I found your vid browsing demos as I've found an s900 for sale and I'm thinking about picking it up. Looks like a blast! Endless potential 😎👍

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's up Howard!!! The S900 is definitely an all around gem!!!

  • @samsevan
    @samsevan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It Should of been the 2000 XL VS 2500

  • @Beatsfool
    @Beatsfool 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2500 for me. It has a usb connect. The 2000 does not. Simple tech necessity. Also the 2500 was my first so I am biased.

  • @Swellthekid
    @Swellthekid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mpc 2000 is way better!! 2500 seems thinner with less body.

  • @quickstrike209
    @quickstrike209 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Mpc2500 is the best of all mpcs in my opinion. Do mpc2500 vs mpc live plz🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

    • @OutspokenRap
      @OutspokenRap 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Quickstrike209 how so?

  • @sampletemplehu
    @sampletemplehu ปีที่แล้ว

    Dope!

  • @danielwhynter
    @danielwhynter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the 2500 is more crisp on the hi hAT AND SNARE...THE 2000 GAVE THE entire SAMPLE A hallowed WORM atmospheric BODY TO IT. LOFI .

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's up Daniel!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

  • @isaacgodbolt9244
    @isaacgodbolt9244 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You got a lot of gear

  • @NicholasT-f9n
    @NicholasT-f9n 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Too bright with excessive cymbalance on the MPC's versus the 24bit sample. The MPC's don't usually color the sound in this manner, something's not right in your setup.

  • @anthonyellis5517
    @anthonyellis5517 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sorry but it’s a octave up not down,

  • @monkeymart
    @monkeymart 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a 2000XL man and it's not even really close. I'd pick up a 3000, 60 or MAYBE 2500 but not to replace my 2000xl.

    • @RoomAtTheTopStudio
      @RoomAtTheTopStudio 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michael_mack my friends had and still have their MPC60's from the 90's and it was the first MPC that I ever used. The swing and groove of the 60 is the best out of all the MPC's. I never really gave my 2000 time so I didn't learn it, my son and another friend used it in my studio in the late 90's but from what I remember of the 2000 and when I listen to the tracks we did on the 60 I still love the 60 over all of them.

  • @DJROCKCEEENTERTAINMENT
    @DJROCKCEEENTERTAINMENT 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the Mpc 3000 and Mpc 60 is the best mpcs ever made !!hands down !! the rest is just a copy of the real thing.

  • @raidernationfullmoonrecord9516
    @raidernationfullmoonrecord9516 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2 g sounds better to my ear

  • @suckerformimi
    @suckerformimi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't see the point of comparing a single sample

    • @TheDaydreamSound
      @TheDaydreamSound  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You sure wouldn't! 🤣 th-cam.com/video/QwsJBovMgJs/w-d-xo.html Don't worry about it!

  • @inkajoo
    @inkajoo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    so close as to be meaningless