As a jeongyeon bias Jeongyeon is the most stable and the second best vocalist in the group And she got no lines and no screen time She slayed every encores and live stages but JYP still doesn’t give her lines Even in more mature concept, which she is built to do
Yea, that's confusing as. Like Twice has definitely switched to a concept that I think Jeongyeon would definitely suit more and yet still nothing. It's weird as.
Since the weight gain it seems like neither she nor the company wants to have her up front. She should go solo and don't bother with choreography, just stand in front of a mic and sing.
The thing is with Jeongyeon, she‘s proven time and time again that she can sing and like she‘s the 2nd best vocalist out of the nine (Her and Nayeon are kinda interchangeable but yea). The thing is, when Jeongyeon gets a good amount of lines and perhaps less easy lines she can handle them without any problems and it‘s just stupid that JYPE isn‘t using her full potential
Yea, it's weird because they're literally in the era where all these songs are potential for Jeongyeon to actually pop off, but they're still stuck with using the same people. I mean hopefully they're using her on B-sides maybe? But also, I don't really listen to them so not sure whether people would also listen to it besides maybe onces.
@@cloudchungxiao the thing is, she shows her vocals on b-sides like Up No More or Get Loud and it‘s like clear that she can sing and JYPe is just wasting her potential
RIght right, so she's known to Onces who listen to b-sides. But to the general public, she kinda just not there because her distribution within title tracks which are the promoted singles tend to be not the best
Yea, I do wonder a lot about groups formed from survival shows and how they don't take everything that they learnt from it and translated it into their debut groups. Like all of a sudden they underutilised members when you were able to fit them in somehow within the show. Plus the things that certain idols were known for, now doesn't help with the whole cohessive sound, concept or whatever reason. Like it's just real weird.
We all know, they came from an incompetent company who rushed a groups debut, members were literally brought in after only a couple days of training and audition and were pushed into debuting. So I would say 1/2 of loonas members are fillers
idk how the conversation is going to be afterwards but let me tell the other people who will reply... CHOERRY IS NOT A FILLER MEMBER DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT
For CLC, the members' positions overlap a bit but some are more utilized than others. I agree that the members in the Main positions are the most valuable as they are the ones who can showcase their respective skill the best amongst the group. I feel as though Cube did not necessarily give certain members a chance to showcase their skills during certain eras, especially after their concept switch with the exception of the main position members. I also agree with how although Yujin was the center, she was not really utilized. She fit the center position during their more cute eras such as pre-Hobgoblin, WAY?, as well as Devil, but everything else she did not stand out as much, I feel as though Cube should've replaced her with Yeeun for the center position after the switch as she fits their mature concepts the best. I also think the same should've happened for the Face of the Group, Eunbin was chosen to be it after she joined the group in 2016 soon after her participation in PD101 ended which helped her gain hype and popularity, but I feel as though Sorn would've been a better fit for that position as she is one of the most well known members of the group do to her being multilingual as well as having a large following across various social media platforms. For those of you who don't know and are curious, these are CLC's positions: Vocal: -Seunghee (Main) -Elkie (Lead) -Sorn (Lead) -Seungyeon (Lead) -Yeeun (Sub) -Yujin (Sub) -Eunbin (Sub) Dance: -Seungyeon (Main) -Yujin (Lead) -Elkie (Lead) Rap: -Yeeun (Main) -Eunbin (Lead) -Seungyeon (Sub) -Yujin (Sub) Visual: -Elkie -Yujin Leader: -Seungyeon (Currently) -Seunghee (Formerly) Maknae: -Eunbin (Currently) -Yeeun (Formerly) Center: -Yujin Face of the Group: -Eunbin
Honestly what you said about center and face of the group is so true. Perfect substitutes or switch between them if they were gonna pull a two concept type of concept. But yea, idk how much that would change the way Cube treated CLC because they really didn’t even try with them. As for the positions, that’s kinda interesting. The rapping lowkey doesn’t make sense just because idk if I need to dig more into their music but never really heard Yujin or Eunbin rap. I thought Eunbin was a lead dancer though. Then I’m also suprised Seungyeon is a lead vocalist too. Lowkey thought they used her for that stark contrast of her vocal tone and didn’t actually use her as a proper lead vocalist but also lowkey kinda makes sense.
@@cloudchungxiaottps://th-cam.com/video/9-NBZMmCw5o/w-d-xo.html This first video showcases Eunbin’s rapping/lines throughout CLC’s career. When it comes to dancing, Eunbin never really showcased her skills with the exception of poll dancing in Black Dress as well as a cover that she did for Selena Gomez’s ‘Hands To Myself’ as somewhat of a tease for Black Dress and maybe the Bang Bang cover one of the dance teams did on PD101. th-cam.com/video/vwDHvPuHAD0/w-d-xo.html This second video somewhat showcases Yujin’s rapping/lines throughout CLC’s career. I can’t confirm if this is true or not but I believe that she may have been the lead rapper before Eunbin joined the group. Although they do use Seungyeon’s voice for a stark contrast, she also often sings during the intros as well as the chorus of many of their title tracks and sometimes during the bridge & outro. th-cam.com/video/QUjgpOi1fO8/w-d-xo.html This video showcases her vocals more in their title tracks.
Hahaha okay makes sense for Eunbin. That cover of Hands to Myself is lowkey the main reason I thought she was some kind of lead dancer. As for that rap compilation, she defs has potential as an idol rapper but yea, it really wasn't utilised as much for her to be known that well. Ad for Yujin and her rapping, yea I feel like she was kinda thrown-ish to that position based on the rapping compilation. It's not terrible but I could see how Eunbin took the lead rapping. Then for Seungyeon, that kinda makes sense. It's like a way to lure the listeners in. Kinda like how Soyeon uses Minnie as the standard intro of their title track since her voice stands out so much.
The filler member in Twice is Dahyun honestly, she doesn’t add anything new to the table. I’ve always said this, but debuting her instead of Minyoung was a wasted opportunity. Minyoung was one of the best vocalists in the show, she composed songs, she could rap and she was fluent in ENGLISH something that would have been sooo necessary to Twice these days
I mean Minyoung was a part of the original 6Mix line up which eventually fell apart and saw JYP creating the show sixteen. I wonder how successful they would have been though and what would have happened to the remaining sixteen trainees
except she was the most popular member at that time so no it wasn't a wasted opportunity lmfao and yes she does bring something to the table which is her unique vocal palette and her different style of rap from chaeyoung
For WJSN I’m gonna say Soobin is filler… to an extent. It’s weird because they obviously know she is a good vocalist I mean she was literally THE main vocalist of WJSN with Dawon before Yeonjung was added. And they also give her main vocal lines in tracks like Butterfly and Unnatural and in some b sides both her and Dawon are the main vocalists of the song so it’s weird to see how in some eras she shines and in some she gets a little overshadowed
Yea, I know there are a few eras that she shines a bit more. But it's kinda not been enough compared with the amount of eras that they've had. Plus with the amount of main vocalist that they had maybe that's why you don't get to see her shine as much??? Kinda like what I was talking about in my 4th gen edition about how having to much main "skills" doesn't help because then how will you distribute that stuff fairly.
Dahyun is my TWICE bias, but it's so sad how she is both a filler and a member people hate. For rapping people always praise Chaeyoung and Momo, but always hate on Dahyun and always want Dahyun to me downgraded to just a vocalist. Dahyun has to leave TWICE in order to get rid off these hateful people. As for Kyla (Pristin), I was expecting her to be a filler. Pledis never cared about her and even the press looked down on her by ignoring her (remember that one fansign where the cameras focussed on the other members when Kyla had her moment to impress?) I liked Kyla because of how people were shitting on her.
if dahyun leave twice it’s the end of her career, most of the twice’s members are no capable of being solo artists, they need the others to rely on them
@@jahir4897 idol career could be over if that's the case. But I can see Dahyun in a career on TV though. As far as solo artists go, Nayeon and Jihyo are definitely standouts from Twice members as soloists. Perhaps Chaeyoung and Mina have potential to be soloists. But I can't see the other members being soloists.
Damm, really? I always found Dahyun to be kinda the comedic/variety member who always kinda stood out for getting the iconic lines. But yea, the Kyla thing felt a little obvious when she went on that hiatus. Like the way they went radio silent and for what?
@@AB-yk2pq yes, but comparing her talent on performances (such as singing, dancing, rapping, stage presence) it’s lacking, she’s a decent dancer, but not even top 5 in Twice themselves
Big groups definitely have higher filler members. As an Orbit, I won't deny LOONA does have filler members. But this is also a management issue. Companies do not allow members to even sing a decent amount of lines or dance at the center during the chorus. That's why I hate when companies add new member(s) because it's unnecesary such as ALICE & SECRET NUMBER. E.g: LOONA - Gowon, Yeojin, Vivi, Hyunjin WJSN - Luda, Yeoreum, Xuanyi
Yea, totally understand that. Companies want the songs to do well and so they're gonna try get the best members to sing or dance in certain parts. The by-product of this is potentially unequal distribution which can vary depending on the amountof members you have. As for Loona though, I've kinda been vibing with their post-Loona groups tbh. Now that there doing their own things, I've been able to notice a few of them more than the main few of Loona.
You not giving vocals to soobin vocals is CRIMINAL!!! She’s the second best vocalist in wjsn technique wise. Listen to her vocals in pantomime because she’s stunning and I’m shocked she doesn’t get many lines in most songs.
she really deserves lines, but I do think she is third technique-wise on wjsn , Yeonjung and Dawon are excellent as well and a bit better at control etc.. but Soobin is definitely right there and she is fantastic she would never be a filler lol that's why she is also a main vocalist, if we are honest I don't thin wjsn has any filler members lol
@@robertacanales it definitely depends on the person but since all three are mains they truly all deserve to not be called filler. Soobin is my favorite vocalist in wjsn so I may be biased but from what I’ve heard of her she’s just a beautiful vocalist and truly deserves more attention.
@@MBJK_baby i agree 100% at the end of the day its all a matter of personal taste but as you say all of them deserve lines cause they are soooo talented.
least skilled/utilized member ≠ filler member imo. for example: a company could have a set line up in mind but they didnt have a strong vocalist so they thrown in a vocal trainee as a filler for their main vocalist also i personally think voter based survival show groups are impossible to have a filler. we chose them 😭
Ohh for sure, the whole least utilised situation is more of a way to describe how if they don't even get utilised in a skill basis than it's almost like their not even there. This obviously doesn't include the other factors within Kpop which might be the stronger factors as to why they're in the group. As for survival shows, I mean same thing kinda. Like based on my criteria, then yea filler members. But if we're looking at the factors of kpop, I mean they got voted in for some reason and so they aren't filler in that sense.
Literally so unfortunate. The way they were hyped up to be one of the next biggest thing; only for them to just be thrown in a dungeon with no more chances really.
Jeongyeon really is a filler. It doesn't matter if you have talent if the company simply don't use it 🤡🤡🤡 This is more about Receive Spotlight By The Company rather than Having Talent, you can't stand out if you don't have a chance
Yea for sure. It's definitely a lot of the company not using it. Plus it's not like she's just a forever filler member. I mean throw her in another group or even a twice subunit and bamm, she might stand out way more. Kinda like Yuha from Pristin to Hinapia
i can see what youre saying with dahyun but she also wrote a LOT OF songs so i guess she kinda has a good part in a group and shes always so funny during variety shows but i can kinda see where youre going
Ohh for sure. If I consider variety, she's definitely in the line up because she's up there as a variety member. As for writing, I don't think I do too much exploring with Twice's music. i for the most part listen to only the title track and so I don't know how great her pen game is
2 things First, Dawon of wjsn should be in the good vocal like. If not for the Starship grab for i.o.i fans she wouls have gotten all the lines Yeonjung does. Second, if you continue these at the end could you add like photos because I like kpop and gg but there are so many and sometimes faces and names arent quite connected in my brain yet.😅
Yea, idk if it’s because she didn’t participate in Queendom season 2 but she seems kinda hidden. Her vocals still stand out and that’s why I notice her but yea, that’s also my opinion so imagine the amount of people who think of Dawson as a filler. At what point did you want pics? Like when I introduce them initially or the whole time while I talk about the certain idol?
Nice picks. I was trying to figure out who you didn't include and holy moly; just thinking about how Yehana is still? with Pledis? Like lowkey major feels bad though.
Listing Tzuyu as filler means you don't really understand the role of the visual in Kpop. Visuals are a huge selling part of any girl group and you can argue Tzuyu has been the top visual in Kpop for a number of years. Yes, she may not be the most talented member - but then Yoona (who was THE visual in Kpop for so many years) and Kai and Siwon weren't that skilled when they began either - but they were a HUGE reason for the popularity of their groups. In a group of nine visuals, Tzuyu is THE visual. There's a reason it's a position (just like dancer, vocal and rapper).
Yea, I mean if you watched my intro or my final thoughts, you would see how I prioritized member selections. It follows what I did in my 4th gen video equivalent.
calling a member of ioi filler doesn’t make sense to me because all of them were voted by fans to be there. as for the others, in my opinion: twice: jeongyeon, mina, dahyun, tzuyu clc: no fillers wekimeki: sei, rina, lucy pristin: yehana, kayla wjsn: no fillers
Using my criteria, it makes sense. But obviously from a fan choice type of situation, then there's abit more things that they consider to not make any of them filler. But yea, defs can kinda see where you're coming from for your filler members. For WJSN though, is this based on OT13?
Tzuyu, to me, should be the wild card over Sana as the stan attractor. She is already the #1 most popular and it gives Twice another foreigner with Momo and Mina which opens up another market instead of just Japan.
Ohh interesting pick for sure. Defs can't deny Tzuyu's popularity for sure. But like also did you hear about the whole apparently speculation of Tzuyu's mother speaking out about favoritism in managements, which kinda do be true considering we really aren't hearing much about Tzuyu or her having solo activities.
My picks: 1. Twice: Mina (she doesn't really stand out to me in any category so she is not needed in twice) 2. IOI: I watched produce101 and LOVED IOI but Mina doesn't really play much of a role in the group other than being cute 3. CLC: Eunbin also doesn't play much of a role, she sometimes sings and sometimes raps but is not particularly strong in either and does not have much stage presence to me 4. Weki Meki: Lucy (other than being pretty she does not stand out much to me and is not needed in any skill line) 5. Pristin: as much as I love Pristin, it would have to be Yuha (same reason as Lucy) 6. WJSN (idk much to have an opinion) The members mentioned all are part of groups I have followed and supported, please don't hate me
Hahaha the double mina-cide. But yea I see what you mean. Literally Mina won best dancer in produce 101 and I still didn't put her in the dance line jsut because she doesn't really stand out like that. She did a bit during gugudan but IOI, not really. For Yuha though, did you watch when she redebuted in Hinapia? And did it change much for you?
@@cloudchungxiao I did follow hinapia for the period they were active and I agree that yuha is talented but during pristin days she wasn't really needed imo
Yea, defs the same thought about Yuha tbh. That's why it's so interesting to see how things can jsut change if certain factors change for the idols circumstance
My ranking of Twice's best 3 vocalists are 1. Jihyo, 2. Nayeon and 3. Jeongyeon. Jihyo picks herself literally for her powerful vocals. Jeongyeon has a really good voice but Nayeon's voice stood out a bit more than Jeongyeon for me.
Agree on the rest for twice? But yea, Jeongyeon is really up their in vocals skill wise but Idk if she's kinda had her it moment for me just quiet. Like there hasn't been that iconic moment where I just get it with her. Probably has more to do with JYP's line distributing but obviously opinions can change too so hopefully some future comeback can change it for me.
@@cloudchungxiao yeah I agree on the other opinions you had in the video. I get why you had her as a filler member but as you said that’s probably because of Jyps unfair line distribution.
I agree with twice , because twice will still be good with only Nayeon, Jihyo, Sana, Momo and Chaeyeoung. And I think you should add yeri red velvet. I don't know why SM put her in the group at the end when her role is nothing special. Wendy, Seulgi, Joy are the top vocals. Seulgi, Irene, Wendy are top dance then visual and popularity is obvious Irene and Joy. And for rappers, they really aren't group rappers so irene, joy and wendy are enough in my opinion to do rappers. I'm confused why they added Yeri just to be the maknae. From his skills she was never in the top 3 and also her popularity was even the last. I think Red Velvet would be fine with four members
Ohh interesting choice. I'm very indifferent about her. The way you explain it, like it kinda makes sense. But at the same time, I usually focus on Seulgi and Joy that I lowkey am not thinking about the other members as much. Plus if we were to bring in the other factors of kpop, I mean she brings the variety aspect, which is very optional for people to consider too.
SM did her dirtyyyyy they should of debuted her to begin with when she was old enogub instead of pushing red velvet soo soon bc of the fx controversy at the time smh
Yeri debuted as part of the dance line but she got so much hate that it really tanked her confidence. She had so much potential and I will never forgive SM for it
I'm a huge once and i agree on the Twice fillers. Dahyun is not a good rapper and her cutesy style hasn't evolved with Twice's maturing concept. She is a good lyricist and plays piano very well. She and Jeongyeon should both go solo. Tzuyu has always been kind of nothing special to me, adding nothing that couldn't be done by any one of the others. Sana or Mina could take all her lines and nobody would notice.
Interesting. I mean after Jihyo, do you think the next to go soloist would be either Dahyun or Jeongyeon; or is your comment more in relation to being a filler so instead of being a filler, kinda just go solo instead?
half of the groups here are disbanded, i mean ur video is amazing, (can't say i agree, but the research is good) but whenever disbanded or inactive groups came up i was like LEAVE THEM ALONE
Yea, IOI and Pristin disbanded which I could have left them out of it but the concept of reforming groups still kinda is interesting to me. Definitely through a different route of explaining it, but that's just kinda my way of trying to open up the room for others to write their opinions too.
Jeongyeon a filler ? A filler member doesn’t have a C- vocal tier 😭 I can kinda see what you mean with Tzuyu, but her vocals are ok, her dance is pretty good, rapping is underrated so I think she could have more potential. Dahyun is necessary for twice because of her rap and personality, I don’t think they have super apparent filler members.
For sure, if you factor in the other things that make kpop groups stand out and popular, then there is less apparent filler members. But if you focused on skills alone, that's how I started to notice-ish some of them
I mean different people use different criterias. Obviously I understand teh importance of visual within the kpop industry but based on how I see groups, visuals weren't really a factor.
Yea, Mina's main dancer status is kinda like Kazuha. They both had many years in ballet but you just don't immediately think of them as the main dancer for their group.
As a jeongyeon bias
Jeongyeon is the most stable and the second best vocalist in the group
And she got no lines and no screen time
She slayed every encores and live stages but JYP still doesn’t give her lines
Even in more mature concept, which she is built to do
Yea, that's confusing as. Like Twice has definitely switched to a concept that I think Jeongyeon would definitely suit more and yet still nothing. It's weird as.
If Tzuyu wasn’t in the group - I think her lines would have went to Jeongyeon
Since the weight gain it seems like neither she nor the company wants to have her up front. She should go solo and don't bother with choreography, just stand in front of a mic and sing.
The thing is with Jeongyeon, she‘s proven time and time again that she can sing and like she‘s the 2nd best vocalist out of the nine (Her and Nayeon are kinda interchangeable but yea). The thing is, when Jeongyeon gets a good amount of lines and perhaps less easy lines she can handle them without any problems and it‘s just stupid that JYPE isn‘t using her full potential
Yea, it's weird because they're literally in the era where all these songs are potential for Jeongyeon to actually pop off, but they're still stuck with using the same people. I mean hopefully they're using her on B-sides maybe? But also, I don't really listen to them so not sure whether people would also listen to it besides maybe onces.
@@cloudchungxiao the thing is, she shows her vocals on b-sides like Up No More or Get Loud and it‘s like clear that she can sing and JYPe is just wasting her potential
RIght right, so she's known to Onces who listen to b-sides. But to the general public, she kinda just not there because her distribution within title tracks which are the promoted singles tend to be not the best
@@cloudchungxiao Which is just sad cause Jeongyeon is just as talented and great as the others
jeongyeon is definitely under utilized which is crazy because when i watched sixteen she was my #1 pick and still is my bias ugh i love her
Yea, I do wonder a lot about groups formed from survival shows and how they don't take everything that they learnt from it and translated it into their debut groups. Like all of a sudden they underutilised members when you were able to fit them in somehow within the show. Plus the things that certain idols were known for, now doesn't help with the whole cohessive sound, concept or whatever reason. Like it's just real weird.
if we're talking about filler members, i'm sorry but it has to be said, LOONA has a LOT of filler members.
We all know, they came from an incompetent company who rushed a groups debut, members were literally brought in after only a couple days of training and audition and were pushed into debuting. So I would say 1/2 of loonas members are fillers
Nct too 😭
@@lala-4458not really they all had SM training and are all decent compared to most Loona members.
@@MBJK_baby tho i will say some of them don't fit the concept of NCT and some of them are left behind.
idk how the conversation is going to be afterwards but let me tell the other people who will reply... CHOERRY IS NOT A FILLER MEMBER DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT
crazy how my biases r always the filler members hahaha i guess i have a soft spot. great vid!:D
Hahaha thanks. Damm, that’s so unfortunate. Who were your biases within these groups?
For CLC, the members' positions overlap a bit but some are more utilized than others. I agree that the members in the Main positions are the most valuable as they are the ones who can showcase their respective skill the best amongst the group. I feel as though Cube did not necessarily give certain members a chance to showcase their skills during certain eras, especially after their concept switch with the exception of the main position members. I also agree with how although Yujin was the center, she was not really utilized. She fit the center position during their more cute eras such as pre-Hobgoblin, WAY?, as well as Devil, but everything else she did not stand out as much, I feel as though Cube should've replaced her with Yeeun for the center position after the switch as she fits their mature concepts the best. I also think the same should've happened for the Face of the Group, Eunbin was chosen to be it after she joined the group in 2016 soon after her participation in PD101 ended which helped her gain hype and popularity, but I feel as though Sorn would've been a better fit for that position as she is one of the most well known members of the group do to her being multilingual as well as having a large following across various social media platforms.
For those of you who don't know and are curious, these are CLC's positions:
Vocal:
-Seunghee (Main)
-Elkie (Lead)
-Sorn (Lead)
-Seungyeon (Lead)
-Yeeun (Sub)
-Yujin (Sub)
-Eunbin (Sub)
Dance:
-Seungyeon (Main)
-Yujin (Lead)
-Elkie (Lead)
Rap:
-Yeeun (Main)
-Eunbin (Lead)
-Seungyeon (Sub)
-Yujin (Sub)
Visual:
-Elkie
-Yujin
Leader:
-Seungyeon (Currently)
-Seunghee (Formerly)
Maknae:
-Eunbin (Currently)
-Yeeun (Formerly)
Center:
-Yujin
Face of the Group:
-Eunbin
Honestly what you said about center and face of the group is so true. Perfect substitutes or switch between them if they were gonna pull a two concept type of concept. But yea, idk how much that would change the way Cube treated CLC because they really didn’t even try with them.
As for the positions, that’s kinda interesting. The rapping lowkey doesn’t make sense just because idk if I need to dig more into their music but never really heard Yujin or Eunbin rap. I thought Eunbin was a lead dancer though. Then I’m also suprised Seungyeon is a lead vocalist too. Lowkey thought they used her for that stark contrast of her vocal tone and didn’t actually use her as a proper lead vocalist but also lowkey kinda makes sense.
@@cloudchungxiaottps://th-cam.com/video/9-NBZMmCw5o/w-d-xo.html This first video showcases Eunbin’s rapping/lines throughout CLC’s career. When it comes to dancing, Eunbin never really showcased her skills with the exception of poll dancing in Black Dress as well as a cover that she did for Selena Gomez’s ‘Hands To Myself’ as somewhat of a tease for Black Dress and maybe the Bang Bang cover one of the dance teams did on PD101. th-cam.com/video/vwDHvPuHAD0/w-d-xo.html This second video somewhat showcases Yujin’s rapping/lines throughout CLC’s career. I can’t confirm if this is true or not but I believe that she may have been the lead rapper before Eunbin joined the group. Although they do use Seungyeon’s voice for a stark contrast, she also often sings during the intros as well as the chorus of many of their title tracks and sometimes during the bridge & outro. th-cam.com/video/QUjgpOi1fO8/w-d-xo.html This video showcases her vocals more in their title tracks.
Hahaha okay makes sense for Eunbin. That cover of Hands to Myself is lowkey the main reason I thought she was some kind of lead dancer. As for that rap compilation, she defs has potential as an idol rapper but yea, it really wasn't utilised as much for her to be known that well. Ad for Yujin and her rapping, yea I feel like she was kinda thrown-ish to that position based on the rapping compilation. It's not terrible but I could see how Eunbin took the lead rapping. Then for Seungyeon, that kinda makes sense. It's like a way to lure the listeners in. Kinda like how Soyeon uses Minnie as the standard intro of their title track since her voice stands out so much.
@@cloudchungxiao Exactly!
The filler member in Twice is Dahyun honestly, she doesn’t add anything new to the table. I’ve always said this, but debuting her instead of Minyoung was a wasted opportunity.
Minyoung was one of the best vocalists in the show, she composed songs, she could rap and she was fluent in ENGLISH something that would have been sooo necessary to Twice these days
I mean Minyoung was a part of the original 6Mix line up which eventually fell apart and saw JYP creating the show sixteen. I wonder how successful they would have been though and what would have happened to the remaining sixteen trainees
except she was the most popular member at that time so no it wasn't a wasted opportunity lmfao and yes she does bring something to the table which is her unique vocal palette and her different style of rap from chaeyoung
@@swtvic”unique” ….
@@swtvic Having a unique vocal tone or palette doesn't mean anything if you can't even hold a note
For WJSN I’m gonna say Soobin is filler… to an extent. It’s weird because they obviously know she is a good vocalist I mean she was literally THE main vocalist of WJSN with Dawon before Yeonjung was added. And they also give her main vocal lines in tracks like Butterfly and Unnatural and in some b sides both her and Dawon are the main vocalists of the song so it’s weird to see how in some eras she shines and in some she gets a little overshadowed
the 3 of them are main vocalists but I do agree starship needs to give them the lines they deserve
Yea, I know there are a few eras that she shines a bit more. But it's kinda not been enough compared with the amount of eras that they've had. Plus with the amount of main vocalist that they had maybe that's why you don't get to see her shine as much??? Kinda like what I was talking about in my 4th gen edition about how having to much main "skills" doesn't help because then how will you distribute that stuff fairly.
Soobin's vocals works best when Dayoung and Yeonjung are not highlighted in the song.
isn't soobin a vocal line?
Dahyun is my TWICE bias, but it's so sad how she is both a filler and a member people hate. For rapping people always praise Chaeyoung and Momo, but always hate on Dahyun and always want Dahyun to me downgraded to just a vocalist. Dahyun has to leave TWICE in order to get rid off these hateful people.
As for Kyla (Pristin), I was expecting her to be a filler. Pledis never cared about her and even the press looked down on her by ignoring her (remember that one fansign where the cameras focussed on the other members when Kyla had her moment to impress?) I liked Kyla because of how people were shitting on her.
if dahyun leave twice it’s the end of her career, most of the twice’s members are no capable of being solo artists, they need the others to rely on them
@@jahir4897 idol career could be over if that's the case. But I can see Dahyun in a career on TV though. As far as solo artists go, Nayeon and Jihyo are definitely standouts from Twice members as soloists. Perhaps Chaeyoung and Mina have potential to be soloists. But I can't see the other members being soloists.
Damm, really? I always found Dahyun to be kinda the comedic/variety member who always kinda stood out for getting the iconic lines.
But yea, the Kyla thing felt a little obvious when she went on that hiatus. Like the way they went radio silent and for what?
I don't see Dahyun as a filler. She writes the most in the group and she is a decent dancer as well.
@@AB-yk2pq yes, but comparing her talent on performances (such as singing, dancing, rapping, stage presence) it’s lacking, she’s a decent dancer, but not even top 5 in Twice themselves
Big groups definitely have higher filler members.
As an Orbit, I won't deny LOONA does have filler members.
But this is also a management issue. Companies do not allow members to even sing a decent amount of lines or dance at the center during the chorus.
That's why I hate when companies add new member(s) because it's unnecesary such as ALICE & SECRET NUMBER.
E.g:
LOONA - Gowon, Yeojin, Vivi, Hyunjin
WJSN - Luda, Yeoreum, Xuanyi
Yea, totally understand that. Companies want the songs to do well and so they're gonna try get the best members to sing or dance in certain parts. The by-product of this is potentially unequal distribution which can vary depending on the amountof members you have. As for Loona though, I've kinda been vibing with their post-Loona groups tbh. Now that there doing their own things, I've been able to notice a few of them more than the main few of Loona.
You not giving vocals to soobin vocals is CRIMINAL!!! She’s the second best vocalist in wjsn technique wise. Listen to her vocals in pantomime because she’s stunning and I’m shocked she doesn’t get many lines in most songs.
she really deserves lines, but I do think she is third technique-wise on wjsn , Yeonjung and Dawon are excellent as well and a bit better at control etc.. but Soobin is definitely right there and she is fantastic she would never be a filler lol that's why she is also a main vocalist, if we are honest I don't thin wjsn has any filler members lol
@@robertacanales it definitely depends on the person but since all three are mains they truly all deserve to not be called filler. Soobin is my favorite vocalist in wjsn so I may be biased but from what I’ve heard of her she’s just a beautiful vocalist and truly deserves more attention.
@@MBJK_baby i agree 100% at the end of the day its all a matter of personal taste but as you say all of them deserve lines cause they are soooo talented.
@@robertacanales all the members have such a beautiful talent I’m so sad they’re still technically nugu even after queendom
@@MBJK_baby they deserve sooo much like they are so unappreciated they have amazing talent u.u they should be mega famous
least skilled/utilized member ≠ filler member imo. for example: a company could have a set line up in mind but they didnt have a strong vocalist so they thrown in a vocal trainee as a filler for their main vocalist
also i personally think voter based survival show groups are impossible to have a filler. we chose them 😭
Ohh for sure, the whole least utilised situation is more of a way to describe how if they don't even get utilised in a skill basis than it's almost like their not even there. This obviously doesn't include the other factors within Kpop which might be the stronger factors as to why they're in the group. As for survival shows, I mean same thing kinda. Like based on my criteria, then yea filler members. But if we're looking at the factors of kpop, I mean they got voted in for some reason and so they aren't filler in that sense.
WEE FUCKING WOO
Literally so unfortunate. The way they were hyped up to be one of the next biggest thing; only for them to just be thrown in a dungeon with no more chances really.
Jeongyeon really is a filler. It doesn't matter if you have talent if the company simply don't use it 🤡🤡🤡
This is more about Receive Spotlight By The Company rather than Having Talent, you can't stand out if you don't have a chance
Yea for sure. It's definitely a lot of the company not using it. Plus it's not like she's just a forever filler member. I mean throw her in another group or even a twice subunit and bamm, she might stand out way more. Kinda like Yuha from Pristin to Hinapia
i can see what youre saying with dahyun but she also wrote a LOT OF songs so i guess she kinda has a good part in a group and shes always so funny during variety shows but i can kinda see where youre going
Ohh for sure. If I consider variety, she's definitely in the line up because she's up there as a variety member. As for writing, I don't think I do too much exploring with Twice's music. i for the most part listen to only the title track and so I don't know how great her pen game is
2 things
First, Dawon of wjsn should be in the good vocal like. If not for the Starship grab for i.o.i fans she wouls have gotten all the lines Yeonjung does.
Second, if you continue these at the end could you add like photos because I like kpop and gg but there are so many and sometimes faces and names arent quite connected in my brain yet.😅
Yea, idk if it’s because she didn’t participate in Queendom season 2 but she seems kinda hidden. Her vocals still stand out and that’s why I notice her but yea, that’s also my opinion so imagine the amount of people who think of Dawson as a filler.
At what point did you want pics? Like when I introduce them initially or the whole time while I talk about the certain idol?
as a Dahyun stan i have to say that she is queen she is slay she is love she is life. Woot woot woot woot.
Hahaha yea, I mean probably up there in variety moments I think a lot about when thinking about twice
For Pristin, I would do something like this:
Rap - Rena, Xiyeon
Dance - Kyulkyung, Nayoung
Vocal - Eunwoo, Sungyeon
Wildcard - Roa
Nice picks. I was trying to figure out who you didn't include and holy moly; just thinking about how Yehana is still? with Pledis? Like lowkey major feels bad though.
Listing Tzuyu as filler means you don't really understand the role of the visual in Kpop. Visuals are a huge selling part of any girl group and you can argue Tzuyu has been the top visual in Kpop for a number of years. Yes, she may not be the most talented member - but then Yoona (who was THE visual in Kpop for so many years) and Kai and Siwon weren't that skilled when they began either - but they were a HUGE reason for the popularity of their groups. In a group of nine visuals, Tzuyu is THE visual. There's a reason it's a position (just like dancer, vocal and rapper).
Yea, I mean if you watched my intro or my final thoughts, you would see how I prioritized member selections. It follows what I did in my 4th gen video equivalent.
calling a member of ioi filler doesn’t make sense to me because all of them were voted by fans to be there. as for the others, in my opinion:
twice: jeongyeon, mina, dahyun, tzuyu
clc: no fillers
wekimeki: sei, rina, lucy
pristin: yehana, kayla
wjsn: no fillers
Using my criteria, it makes sense. But obviously from a fan choice type of situation, then there's abit more things that they consider to not make any of them filler. But yea, defs can kinda see where you're coming from for your filler members. For WJSN though, is this based on OT13?
Tzuyu, to me, should be the wild card over Sana as the stan attractor. She is already the #1 most popular and it gives Twice another foreigner with Momo and Mina which opens up another market instead of just Japan.
Ohh interesting pick for sure. Defs can't deny Tzuyu's popularity for sure. But like also did you hear about the whole apparently speculation of Tzuyu's mother speaking out about favoritism in managements, which kinda do be true considering we really aren't hearing much about Tzuyu or her having solo activities.
My picks:
1. Twice: Mina (she doesn't really stand out to me in any category so she is not needed in twice)
2. IOI: I watched produce101 and LOVED IOI but Mina doesn't really play much of a role in the group other than being cute
3. CLC: Eunbin also doesn't play much of a role, she sometimes sings and sometimes raps but is not particularly strong in either and does not have much stage presence to me
4. Weki Meki: Lucy (other than being pretty she does not stand out much to me and is not needed in any skill line)
5. Pristin: as much as I love Pristin, it would have to be Yuha (same reason as Lucy)
6. WJSN (idk much to have an opinion)
The members mentioned all are part of groups I have followed and supported, please don't hate me
Hahaha the double mina-cide. But yea I see what you mean. Literally Mina won best dancer in produce 101 and I still didn't put her in the dance line jsut because she doesn't really stand out like that. She did a bit during gugudan but IOI, not really. For Yuha though, did you watch when she redebuted in Hinapia? And did it change much for you?
@@cloudchungxiao I did follow hinapia for the period they were active and I agree that yuha is talented but during pristin days she wasn't really needed imo
Yea, defs the same thought about Yuha tbh. That's why it's so interesting to see how things can jsut change if certain factors change for the idols circumstance
I agree with Twice, but for I.O.I i would say it's Sohye and Chaeyeon, Mina is a decent rapper.
jeongyeon is the second most vocally talented in twice and is the lead vocalist, how is she filler?
the second best is Nayeon, she can hold the high notes better than Jeongyeon
@@jahir4897 thats not true, she has a lower vocal grade than jeongyeon. it might seem like nayeon is better but jeongyeon has a higher vocal grade
@@jahir4897 high notes also aren't everything and are only a small fraction of what makes up a good vocalist
My ranking of Twice's best 3 vocalists are 1. Jihyo, 2. Nayeon and 3. Jeongyeon. Jihyo picks herself literally for her powerful vocals. Jeongyeon has a really good voice but Nayeon's voice stood out a bit more than Jeongyeon for me.
@@guppy9161 That's very true. But while Jeongyeon is a really good vocalist I thought Nayeon stood out a bit more than Jeongyeon for me.
Tbh I think Jeongyeon is needed in the vocal line. But I agree on the rest.
Agree on the rest for twice? But yea, Jeongyeon is really up their in vocals skill wise but Idk if she's kinda had her it moment for me just quiet. Like there hasn't been that iconic moment where I just get it with her. Probably has more to do with JYP's line distributing but obviously opinions can change too so hopefully some future comeback can change it for me.
@@cloudchungxiao yeah I agree on the other opinions you had in the video. I get why you had her as a filler member but as you said that’s probably because of Jyps unfair line distribution.
I agree with twice , because twice will still be good with only Nayeon, Jihyo, Sana, Momo and Chaeyeoung.
And I think you should add yeri red velvet. I don't know why SM put her in the group at the end when her role is nothing special. Wendy, Seulgi, Joy are the top vocals. Seulgi, Irene, Wendy are top dance then visual and popularity is obvious Irene and Joy. And for rappers, they really aren't group rappers so irene, joy and wendy are enough in my opinion to do rappers.
I'm confused why they added Yeri just to be the maknae. From his skills she was never in the top 3 and also her popularity was even the last. I think Red Velvet would be fine with four members
Ohh interesting choice. I'm very indifferent about her. The way you explain it, like it kinda makes sense. But at the same time, I usually focus on Seulgi and Joy that I lowkey am not thinking about the other members as much. Plus if we were to bring in the other factors of kpop, I mean she brings the variety aspect, which is very optional for people to consider too.
SM did her dirtyyyyy they should of debuted her to begin with when she was old enogub instead of pushing red velvet soo soon bc of the fx controversy at the time smh
Wait was it FX controversy? I thought it was lowkey the cover up of the Jessica situation
Yeri debuted as part of the dance line but she got so much hate that it really tanked her confidence. She had so much potential and I will never forgive SM for it
Hate because of her skills or because of being added late to the group
I always get so excited when you upload
Thanks, really appreciate that.
Filler or not twice is nine or none🍭🍭
Thank u for making this kind of. Videos
Thanks for watching and yess, twice for sure OT9
I'm a huge once and i agree on the Twice fillers. Dahyun is not a good rapper and her cutesy style hasn't evolved with Twice's maturing concept. She is a good lyricist and plays piano very well. She and Jeongyeon should both go solo. Tzuyu has always been kind of nothing special to me, adding nothing that couldn't be done by any one of the others. Sana or Mina could take all her lines and nobody would notice.
Interesting. I mean after Jihyo, do you think the next to go soloist would be either Dahyun or Jeongyeon; or is your comment more in relation to being a filler so instead of being a filler, kinda just go solo instead?
half of the groups here are disbanded, i mean ur video is amazing, (can't say i agree, but the research is good) but whenever disbanded or inactive groups came up i was like LEAVE THEM ALONE
Yea, IOI and Pristin disbanded which I could have left them out of it but the concept of reforming groups still kinda is interesting to me. Definitely through a different route of explaining it, but that's just kinda my way of trying to open up the room for others to write their opinions too.
Please do 2nd gen aswell😭
I would only if I knew 2nd gen groups like that hahaha. Not that well informed of them
Jeongyeon a filler ? A filler member doesn’t have a C- vocal tier 😭
I can kinda see what you mean with Tzuyu, but her vocals are ok, her dance is pretty good, rapping is underrated so I think she could have more potential. Dahyun is necessary for twice because of her rap and personality, I don’t think they have super apparent filler members.
For sure, if you factor in the other things that make kpop groups stand out and popular, then there is less apparent filler members. But if you focused on skills alone, that's how I started to notice-ish some of them
Agree on Twice 100%
Ohh nice, how about the other groups? or kinda don't know them too well?
i think you’re missing the visual and center positions when picking the members. those are extremely important positions
I mean different people use different criterias. Obviously I understand teh importance of visual within the kpop industry but based on how I see groups, visuals weren't really a factor.
11:41 not the Mei Qi erasure
Not to BM, but of the three chinese members, I never really got to know about Mei Qi as well.
WJSN OT 13
Rap - EXY, Dance - Bona, Cheng Xiao, Seola, Vocal - Dawon, Yeonjung, WC - Dayoung
WJSN OT10
Rap - EXY, Dance - Yeoreum, Bona, Vocal - Dawon, Yeonjung, Soobin, WC - Seola
When you say OT13 and OT10, are you distinguishing the two eras? So like Soobin stood out more vocally once they became OT10?
Yes, I felt that Soobin really grew as a vocalist that time.@@cloudchungxiao
Ahh right, yea. I mean I got to learn more about her during Queendom 2 and she did really great in her vocal unit
I would add Mina for Twice as well.
I could see what you mean. I did "keep" her because of her main dancing abilities but also she lowkey isn't given much opportunities to show it.
@@cloudchungxiaoyup she's the main dancer but i think even without her twice still has momo and even jihyo
Yea, Mina's main dancer status is kinda like Kazuha. They both had many years in ballet but you just don't immediately think of them as the main dancer for their group.
Imo Chaeyeon is similar to Somi because of her aura
IOI's Chaeyeon?
@@cloudchungxiao yeah. She’s got the unique visuals and sub/lead vocal type voice.
Ohhh right. I saw Somi kinda like Xiyeon. Like a jack of all trade, master of none.
@@cloudchungxiao fr
The real filler in Twice is Mina
Only one or one of a few?