TWICE ENCORE giving me secondhand embarassment
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ส.ค. 2021
- I Swear JYP need to focus on treating them better and giving them music according to their vocal range, AND STOP FORCING THEM TO SING A CERTAIN WAY THAT THEY ARE NOT comfortable with.
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It’s the way Jeongyeon was the most stable in these examples yet JYPE continues to put her on the back burner
Say it louder!!!
She deserves more actually...
@@seaturtle_0616 I just can’t wait for her solo album so she can prove to the world that she’s just as amazing as the rest of the girls
only cause she fat 😑
@@SlayerJoe same, i need jeongyeon solo
@@Patryyyyck should you criticize about the physical 😒 uugh
If we’re being honest, I would be EMBARRASSED if I was JYPE and had someone as stable and consistent as Jeongyeon and didn’t utilize her skill more. And to top it off, not only is she stable and consistent, but she’s an actually good singer. Girl bye 🙄
i agreed...all their songs are way higher than their actual voice range....Twice vocals are not improving much since their debut...even Jihyo has troubled to sing high notes..
@@TheNickz I hardly dissagree.
I think they improved SO MUCH since their debut and also idols are makin mistakes a lot so this should be normal. Just bc Jihyo struggled sometimes doesnt mean that she isnt one of the best vocalist in kpop
@@Makeitupsuckerr228. I understand but i'm not saying she can't sing, she has a beautiful and powerful voice. BUT when you said she's one of the best vocalist in kpop, i have to disagree on that. If Jihyo debuted with not so popular idol group, it would be a different story
coming back to your point that they improved so much. Undoubtedly, their chemistry and dancing are top notch. But when it comes to vocal. i'm sorry. Just look at how they struggled when the MR is switched off. I'm saying this because Twice is one the best group in this Kpop generation. JYP should do something about it.
@@TheNickz I kinda agree with you and accept your opinion. But if you see their lives vocal at their current worldtour they all did pretty well so I think they really improved much ( nayeons high Note at tokyo dome). But I think they all kinda lost their confidience and are getting nervous on the encores tho bc they got sm hate especially momo. Sure ,some of them still need to improve a lot and I agree with you that JYP should do smth about it. But I also think they are mostly lackin confidience (they are more confident singing to onces and this isnta excuse btw)
And with jihyo one idk. I really think has REALLY good and strong vocals and should be considered as ONE of the best kpop vocalist. Ofc there are better vocalists than her( Wendy ect) but yea idk
@@TheNickz clearly you havent seen them live on stage. i dont see where you getting your idea that these girls cant sing well in live? their last tour majority of their songs are live except more and more and feel special half of it since sana lowered her key so we think half of the vocalization is live but they did sang well if your standards is just these clips in M- countdown who is well know for giving ambush performances with out giving a single monitor earpiece to the performers i mean 80% of that performance will definitely be a disaster since they wont even hear the metronome and key notes for the song even black pink said that on their live that they cant hear the music since the crowd noise is very laud. try watching them on their live concert and come back here again if your verdict is still the same then i guess music is not for you.
Honestly a lot of the members are vocally more comfortable in a more alto range but JYPE forces them to sing in a soprano rage bc it matches Twice's concept better. :( It sucks that many of the members are forced to sing above their range
That’s honestly pretty much all of kpop xd
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 yeah but can't they make the notes a little lower so Twice can sing in their ranges. Yeah Twice should do better but so is their vocal coach/trainer. Give the lines to the one who is capable of singing that part, not the one who sounded good in that part
@@kpop_slay3837 yeah, they should. There’s so many songs out there for groups where it’s just so high for some of the singers.
for real.. and jyp does it every comeback and they aren’t really going to change so they should at least be putting them in more vocal practices to widen their range at the least.. this honestly just makes their confidence worsen
No they're all soprano lol just having a bad technique they force them to sing in girlish soubrette soprano while their natural range probably lyric or full soprano with underdeveloped technique
THIS IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE ARTISTS SING IN THEIR RANGE
Or at least train them to sing in that range
@@marley3690 hate to say it but sometimes it genuinely isn't possible. Not all people can reach all ranges, and that's alright, most people have a comfortable range that they can sit and sing at and in that range they will sing fine, it is when companies push people to sing outside of their trainable range that there then because health hazards for their vocal chords and throat.
This needs a pin
@@kimbap_kidding True true
@@marley3690 yuhh, what u said🙌🏾
jeongyeons vocal is truly so beautiful and lovely 💚💚
Yeah 😍
Fr my fave ❤
I swear Jihyo, nayeon and jeongyeon are such good singers. The 3mix really carried twice when it comes to vocals!!!
These girls are perfect but it’s so sad how jeongyeon is getting less lines when she clearly sings better than the rest (Mina, sana, tzuyu and momo)
What happens with Jeongyeon is that she rejects all the lines that she can't vocally afford so she always slays her lines and is stable af. But this limit her doing colourful tones to her voice something that Sana, Mina and Tzuyu can do while recording but not properly show on live.
Why did you lowkey like shade the other members just cause jeongyeon isnt getting lines. I get your point but you didnt have to drag the other members just to make a point.
@@lolmina297 they arent
@@maacka18XD I don't think jeongyeon rejects the lines, I think it is their vocal coach / the one who is assigned in distributing lines. I understand that jy tone voice is too deep for twice concept, she also don't do that "half air half sound" technique, her voice may not be as unique as the other members, but still, I hope they gave her more lines because "lead vocal" is her fckin position... sigh I hope in their new comeback this aug she gets more lines
@@kpop_slay3837 When they were promoting Alcohol Free and they were talking about "First Time" Jihyo said that she wanted Jeongyeon to sing more lines but Jeongyeon said that she rejected beacuse they were too high for her. Maybe she could have done it because she has the voice but maybe it could hurt her cords or not able to perform properly.
5:02 Jeongyeon hit every note without struggle. I wonder why shes not treated like a lead vocalist when shes better than Mina and Sana combined
She is better than the whole group no hate
Whoa guys what is wrong I didn't say jihyo and Nayeon are bad I just said Jeongyeon is better she has a specific note the make her unique in my eyes
I have been singing since I was 4 years old I know each and every note
@@lifegoesonsneakers1102 she’s definitely not better than Jihyo
@@lifegoesonsneakers1102 she ain't better than the whole group.
she ain't a better dancer than half of twice and she ain't better than Jihyo.
also wdym no offence???
that's like sayin "twice fucking sucks dude they are so horrible. (no offence)" like wtf??
Even though she strained her voice but still she sang all live. Jeongyeon is a decent singer for sure technically
@Oli London and Jimin's son she is
I was SHOCKED when I found out sana had a natural deep voice like 3-2 years ago. She sounds awesome, maybe even better in her lower range!
she doesnt lol. her voice is always high. if u listen to donut u can hear how it sounds forced when she lowers it
@@anam2133 no her voice is not naturally high. She has bad vocal placement. When you place the voice in the nasal are and sing with a heavy nasal tone it makes it seem like the voice is thinner/higher than it actually is. Anyone can do it.
@@anam2133 no YOU listen to good at love
@@anam2133 100% no, she's better suited for lower notes. whenever she sings higher notes she sounds slightly nasally
@@anam2133 her voice has a high tone but not a high PLACEMENT.
JYP messed up the group so freaking bad to the point these girls barely have confidently in themselves-their voices are so good but then you have them trying to sing a note that’s not their vocal range. Then you have Jeongyeon A FREAKING TALENTED ASS QUEEN-having her talent being put to waste. Her is so freaking stable to the point I even think JYP doesn’t want her in twice. Because let’s be honest Jeongyeon’s voice is stable and very elegant it is so freaking nice to listen to, it’s very kind. I just hope she gets to show her talent more often.
she’s my fav tbh
Twice would be nothing without JYP. Stop acting like they were Beyonce level vocalists before they joined JYP. Over half of them are naturally not naturally good singers. Most of them got in either for their visuals, personality and dance skills
@@leavemealone322 JYP’s vocal training is horrible compared to other companies like SM. They’re doing better with NMIXX atleast
@@mewybeeBold of you to assume that they hired new trainers Lmao, Nmixx already had their vocals before going into JYP.
@@Slayyy19 ..how is it bold of me to assume one of their new groups would have different training from their 7 year old girl group 😭
They all did well after the alcohol free era
Alcohol free and scientists
@@kpopgg1016 finally6
Because Fancy and ICSM are just too high for them. Scientist, Feel Special, Alcohol Free, and even the feels are songs within their range
Yes u notice too? They're so good after Alcohol free era 👍
@@HahaHaha-jx4le i agree 👍🏼
Chaeyoung's problem is confidence. She's a decent singer, and can turn into a good if she train!
Chaeyoung always do the C#5 of What Is Love in falsetto, but she made a mixed version on tour and God, that was beautiful and well grounded
edit: omg tysm for each one of the likes. I'm not saying "Chae is such a good vocalist now she should take Jeongyeon, Nayeon and Jihyo's place rn" I'm just saying that her not being confident in her live vocals can lead her to worse inconsistencies.
no, she's not.
@@ameliadove6297 BAHAHAHAH
@@ameliadove6297 are you a vocal expert or even know anything about vocals? if not, your opinion ain't needed gurl
I remember when she had to hide behind Nayeon while singing her part in Melting during fanmeeting event in 2017
@@ameliadove6297 Chaeyoung is not amazing, but she's a better vocalist than Sana who gets more singing lines than her in Twice songs.
jeongyeon is so underrated she is always on point & stable
I mean out of all the members Sana does have on of the highest voices I think the thing she lacks more is confidence. And fancy was a dark era for her
right
actually, during that time, she was getting hated on because of a scandal. i think it had something to do with japan.
@@qr-eh9es yep! that's what I meant by a dark era
@@sanamontez5167 yeah, i was just adding information for whoever was curious about it！！ sorry if it might have sounded mean.
@@qr-eh9es oh no, I'm sorry I misunderstood!
Western singer, like Ariana Grande, when she not confident to reach high note in live, she change the note. It is common practice for singer. Because they are real singer who can improvise the song to fit their vocal condition at that moment, because sometime they feel tired or not in the good feeling.
Ariana doesnt do that because shes a better singer than any members of twice
@@hope-pf4it listen up I love Twice but JESUS don't delude yourself they can't sing like Ariana plus it seems like in kpop they force the girls to sing in a much higher pitch than their comfortable with they do it with the boys too it's really stupid
@@DaenerysUchiha I literally said arianas a better singer than twice
@@hope-pf4it OK
@@hope-pf4it Ariana does did that. It have video somewhere in youtube. Of course Ariana better than all member of Twice.
JEONGYEON NEVER GETS LINES THAT PROPERLY SHOW OFF HER VOCAL ABILITIES😭🖐ITS NOT FAIR
One in a million is her iconic song
@@brettwilson9181 the hightnote was her only line
What cracks me up is how confident Dahyun is in lipsyncing even on encodes her part is always SILENT but she's so confident 🤣
And yet she is an amazing singer.
@@brettwilson9181no
you shouldve used icsm as an example bc they gave poor nayeon that high note in the chorus that she could not get to AT ALL and she was visibly trying in the encores. the only one i would say that got it was jihyo and possibly jeongyeon could have gotten it but idk. either way, jype really needs to give our girlies something that they can sing with confidence PLS
@blonde nayeon ended everyone's hair career if she’s sitting down without being tired then obviously she’s going to have a better chance of nailing it. but that’s not realistic bc most of the time they are dancing to choreography. jype should cater to them being able to sing it with the choreo
edit: also not saying nayeon doesn’t slay, bc she def does and is #2 singer next to jihyo imo , im criticizing jype
@blonde nayeon ended everyone's hair career i mean you didn’t need to explain either, ik nayeon is a great vocalist already
They probably explained because your comment sounds so backhanded to nayeon at first before you replied to them.
@@unniebunny2551 idk how saying that nayeon deserves better is backhanded but go off i guess.. i said she deserves parts that are in her range so that she can be confident with it and not get hated on bc you can’t deny SO many ppl hated on them for that icsm encore sadly
It's less about range and more about voice placement. Nayeon and Jihyo can reach higher notes but they tend to strain. Momo used to have decent placement in sixteen but I don't know why she got so strained and nasal to the point that she can't even reach some lower notes. Jongyeon's voice is pretty well projected, more than Sana, actually, she just needs more confidence and more vocal training to improve her muscle memory and build confidence. I hope they can get the proper training that they need, so that they can sing more comfortably and show the true beauty of their voice. I am so sad that they got hate for their voice. They should enjoy their stages more than anything. Twice fighting 😭😭😭😭😭
They're a performance act not a Taylor, Adele, Mariah or whoever western artist you want them to be.. they focused more on endurance to last a 3-4hrs concert and memorizing choreos. That's what makes them more entertaining than seeing western singers or rappers asking the crowd to sing with them after the 3rd song cuz they're running out of breath already. It's something you that don't know how stage performance works
@@thenationsgirlgroup3033 Have you ever watched other kpop idols' concert?
@@Sophie-ui6hi Have you watched Twice's gazillionth concerts?
@@munggo_lloyd You both have missed the point and I am not sure I'll be able able to go pass your biased view and I have no desire to change your mind. You're entitled to your own opinion tho, as well as I am to mine.
@@Sophie-ui6hi I get your original comment. I was just curious if you have watched or attended any Twice concerts. That is why I asked...
Edit: You must have mistaken my comment to be a mockery because I said "gazillionth". I use it all the time here at YT. Pardon me. 😪
it's a shame that they couldn't sing fancy live because that's literally one of their most iconic songs 😭
Which song?
Yeah esp Jihyo's iconic blast note. It was so weak and dissappointing in the encore live.
@@wigiwi fancy
@@brettwilson9181
Well nayeon and jihyo have both bit hitting the notes in their concerts.
@@BTSARMY-dk3bjyh just now. Even more impressive that it's LIVE! I must admit it sounds a teensy bit different from the studio version but it's still just as good! I mean even before this incident, they could SANG. their voices were just not used to these ranges yet.
I wish that Momo was just a rapper for goodness sake! She's such a talented rapper!!
I just think that if momo got Rap training instead of vocal training, that she would improve faster in rapping instead of singing.
FRRRR
momo uses a forced voice while singing to fit the cute concept and it damages her vocal cords she avoids it because it isn’t within her singing rage momo has a husky deep voice
if they give her proper vocal lessons, she could control that tone, is similar to Song HaYoung from Fromis_9, and she is really stable.
I'm sorry but she's not a good rapper..
Y’all just prove that idol rapping is a joke. If the mf can’t sing y’all say “let them rap”
Momo can’t rap for shit. Her singing it’s better than her rapping but she’s an undeveloped singer.
She’s just a dancer atp.
Jeongyeon DESERVES MORE ATTENTION AND LOVE!
I think jeongyeon is the member that doesn't afraid the most to sing her part.., even if would lead her to cracking her voice ♥️
Im a gidle fan so im thankful soyeon knows how to give lines that fit perfectly for the members. Twice really needs someone like that
what abt yuqi and shuhua? they barely sing in the songs 😭
@@ohlog.Bc they have low vocal tiers
Yuqi is by far the 2nd best vocalist technically @@Keezx
@@ohlog. this was commented 6 months ago so i dont understand how this is so wrong when looking at gidle's discography. yuqi now consistently gets among the most lines in songs. shuhua has been getting more lines, but in my personal opinion, she needs a LOT of vocal training. i love shuhua but she is not that good of a vocalist, even if she has a beautiful voice.
0:51 “cause it’s in her range”
She’s actually singing pretty much in the same range. She hits C5’s in both videos.
I think the person means that her extremely not natural nasally voice is not her range.
@@victornunes6047 that has nothing to do with range tho. She’s singing in the exact same range.
I think there's a little bit of a difference because in more and more, it's mostly the C5 notes whereas the 16 clip there's only one C5 note. You can tell in that clip too that she's slightly uncomfortable with hitting that note even once but because the rest of it is in range it doesn't stand out as much.
@@sundaypersona5700 It is also because of JYPE's vocal technique, Momo actually is a better vocalist before
This video is just cringe, this person obviously knows nothing abt singing 😭 I think it’s smart for twice to “avoid” some parts, no need to strain and damage for an encore stage
1:49 Chaeyoung's alright is definitely a cute, funny and intentional remix and i love it more than the actual alright.
Es Oh Est!
SOS*
I also thought tt was allright first😅
they have beenore comfortable with their voices ever since alcohol-free, I wish they did that during debut
It's sad how they won daesang and many awards but in reality they can't even sing their own song properly like....??
@@enilobra4877 prob cuz its all autotuned its sad really.
@@enilobra4877 huh, they cannot sing their own songs? You're just telling me that you don't have any idea on how vocal cords work without telling me that you do not have any idea how the vocal cords work.
In those videos, they do not have any warm up before singing on the range that they like and they are not comfortable on impromtu singing. Blame the program, not these girls.
They can obviously sing their own song.
@@enilobra4877 lmao have u seen their concerts? they gladly do a 36+ songs LIVE
The way Jeongyeon always SLAYS anything, the encore stage of Feel Special has me in tears every time. Girl goes so hard. Truly an underrated treasure, love her forever
I really don't know what to make of this video it's so passive agressive. Saying this isn't hate and then calling Chae and Jihyo embarrasing cause they were laughing and having fun with the members? If you are going to be critical at least be smart enough to tell apart the moments when they are trying to give a good vocal performance from the times they are just being silly and fun
omg i thought it was just me?? the way they worded things just felt so weird to me. glad im not the only one
TRUE! Why compare fancy when Sana was literally getting so much hate and backlash? I would expect them to use a different encore but no. Also Fancy is a fun song; why do you expect them to have the best vocals when they are just trying to have fun?
@@ang3l1cbby right. this vid is so weird
@@zara7302 to me the same bashing the rest girls and make one to shine using for that member the parts that fit her ,while the others the highnotes .....
@@pespan4298 exactly? i see it too
I can't watch that "More & More" encore without skipping Momo's part...I feel so bad for her- JYPE needs to let them go on hiatus just to work on vocals and rap. They're not bad, but they could be better.
Momo and Chaeyoung slayed the raps in their last mini album thought
@@Yousofatube There's a difference between "slaying" and improving.
yeah for how seasoned they are in the industry their lack of vocal skills is just insane to me
@@sumysim3245 Momo and Chaeyoung always were good at rapping, but twice's songs are not rap focused songs
There is a difference between "having occasion to showcase your own talent" and "being pushed as a vocalist when you are an idol rapper"
@@Yousofatube Yeah, ut their not vocal focused either. TWICE is def more performance based and choreography based.
Jeongyeon is the lead vocalist and she definitely deserves to be the main❤
Jeongyeon needs more lines. I swear JYP should work on their very talented and hardworking artists.
Their voices are great, it's just they are forced to sing HIGHER.
Jeongyeon Voice is So stable !! She needs more lines and more appreciation
I will never shut up on jeongyeon not getting all the lines that she deserves having a decent vocals compared to other members
Facts
not to forget jeongyeon's iconic part in one in a million 😭🙏
This is how many people think Jeongyeon deserves more lines:
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dang even if Jihyo didnt quite hit it in live, i loved every crack! They all naturally slay Alcohol free
Jeongyeon effortlessly hitting every note (almost) >
the thing is: twice aren't bad singers. even, the sub-vocalists are good in their own vocal RANGE. but, from the start of their career, since JYP has forced them into a vocal range they're not comfortable, their vocal development has stopped. it's really sad and i hope JYP lets them sing in their comfortable ranges, ESPECIALLY momo.
Yess they arent bad the vocal range given to their sons doesn't just suit their voice, the song should fit their voice and not the contrary
Momo was never a good Singer and she's definitely up there for worst vocalist in kpop but her role is a rapper and dancer so it doesn't really matter. Sana has shown no improvement either and is underdeveloped. Tzuyu is close to support and has show massive improvement. Chaeyoung and Mina just meet the requirements.
@@Skzgidlestop belittling Sana's vocal ability, when she and Tzuyu are both close to support. Tzuyu didn't improve massively, you guys hype her a lot and belittle Sana's Vocal ability, when both are at the same level.
@@aurabeaver I'm not, tzuyu is definitely better than sana. Tzuyu is super close to supporting while Sana is isn't. Sana has a pretty and versatile voice but tzuyu is better
@@Skzgidle yes but they're still close
jihyo is one of the best idols ever, i could listen to her voice all day. also jeongyeon is SOOOOOO underappreciated!! she's such a strong vocalist
JEONGYEON OUR VOCAL SLAYER QUEEN~
Jeongyeon the "LEAD VOCALIST" everyone!!
Then treat her like one she deserves more
Jeongyeon my bias 😍😍♥️♥️
Actually it's okay to admit that your ults don't really can sing. Like for momo she's a really good dancer but not good at singing. It's just really weird that the fans keep saying momo good/okay at singing when she's not. Not every idols can master every aspects and being an ace
Tbh not being biased at all I swear, even tho I ult twice, I absolutely LOVE her deep voice. Her parts in rewind make me levitate. But yes that’s the only register (low) which I like her voice, she’s not a good vocalist,and that’s okay, she’s a rapper and dancer
@@Shay16348 She's not even a singer, and that's okay. She's a dancing machine and can rap, but that's it. I can sing on tune, but that doesn't make me a singer.
@@Shay16348 I've heard her singing in a comfortable vocal but that doesn't make her a good singer, it's the technique, and she doesn't have any technique.
@@Shay16348 that was 10 years ago in sixteen show. Now all the technique she had has gone in garbage thanks to jype and those terrible high pitched notes. She can't even support and project anymore so if she doesn't get a good vocal coach she isn't going anywhere with singing
Funny how she sounded so good in the song but when she sing live I don't know. It makes no sense they have been receiving awards and daesangs but can't even sing live
Everyone in this world appreciates Jeongyeon's vocal except JYPE 😑
Saw this before their concert, was a bit worried. After, THEY WERE ALL SO GOOD AT SINGING LIVE. THEY WERE ALL KILLING IT, I WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN
I’m a moomoo and slowly being dragged into the fandom because of Jeongyeon lol And i agree that they have everything besides the singing down pact. If JYP was smart they’d use the strong singers more like Jeongyeon and change up rappers and such because Twice is such a great gg.
I think their vocal trainer is pretty but but i also heard that they got a new one finally.
Jeongyeon deserves a main vocal position
Jeongyeon is hidden gem
the truth is they cant sing their own songs properly without lip sync.. their songs are made for "twice" but their songs are not made for the members. Their agency should have considered the member's actual voice range and singing capabilities and modify the songs to fit the members and not force the members to sing the songs not meant for them.
Yes, it is a fact that they cannot sing their songs, but I do not know who sings live on their world tours. I expect it is you?? Just shut up and let us see your words in the videos of Twice's live singing programs if you are brave. There are no haters on incor, even members who are not interested in singing.
JEONGYEON YOU BETTER SLAYYY
This is actually pretty simple: TWICE is the most awarded gg with like 120 wins, this means:
More encores = more % of messing up.
Less encores= less % of messing up.
Just as example; Mamamoo, who are known for their pro vocals, have way less wins than TWICE and yet they have voice cracks in some of their encores too, at this point it's really noticeable how encores makes a lot of kpop idols more nervous/anxious even than concerts due to the backslash they constantly receive from knetz.
That's exactly Momo's case; always amazing during concerts and 100% spot on in japanese music shows (where they don't even allow lipsync) but when it comes to encores in korea, she gets noticeable more nervous and I think we all know it was due to Sixteen's after-effects, I mean, it took her years to open up about how that show made her lose all her confidence. Add the fact that a lot of TWICE's song are hard to sing due to really high range (the girl themselves said JYP makes them sing high pitched)
Yes, TWICE vocal strength is 3mix but the other girls aren't half as bad as some ppl and antis like to spread around, especially when they keep improving every time they come back.
And this person chose the worst encores for these members, and a few where Jeongyeon's voice didn't crack
I do agree, Twice popularity means more stages.
But be aware that Twice have a very high pitch in their songs. I am an alto (highest I can reach is D5, if I warm really well maybe E5, no more) and their songs have some out-of-my-range notes. That means if their voice is not warm enough or they're dancing the note becomes hard to reach and mantain. Their songs are difficult. The line distribution does not help, imo.
The comparison with Mamamoo is unfair: their songs are lower, I can sing the most of them in my comfort range, and their coreographies are way easier (notice that Twice pants heavily at the end of live performances, MMM less).
Plus Twice unfortunately got shamed a whole lot for their singing abilities and this mined their confidence and ability to react to mistakes. Mamamoo are known for their mistakes and they laugh at each other's voice cracks.
kpop groups are so bad they can't even sing their own songs without backtracks and lip syncing. Also why i prefer music from the 70s and 80s pure talent 0 backtracks
They did so well in the alcohol free era 🍸❤️
it was a comfortable range for them! fancy and icsm are just too high,
Ok i agree with you and I'm so happy you include clips where they slay.
Honestly Jeongyeon is my favorite singer in twice with Jihyo, and it's a mystery to me that she doesn't do any melody project or anything individual with her voice I just don't understand. Maybe she isn't confident but in almost every song, she always has an emotion in her voice that get through me.
Also we dont hear Mina often because she doesn't have much power, so it is usually eaten by the back track, but when you hear her, she is really good at carrying her parts, I would love to hear her more often too
I really wish Jeongyeon was appreciated more because she's so talented she deserves so much
this is why JYPe just give them the song without adjust the members capacity over the year.
Jeongyeon Vocal Queen💚💚His voice is really beautiful and perfect💚👑I love you Yoo Jeongyeon 💚💚👑
Not only is your analysis incorrect (you obviously know nothing about range, singing, or notes) but you put down other members to prop up one. I know you feel bad that Jeongyeon is under appreciated, but putting down her members isn’t appropriate….
4:50❤❤❤❤❤ I’m still waiting for Jeongyeon’s melody project..
And still waiting for JYP to give her LONGER LINES and LONGER exposure… even with the comeback, she was barely seen in the video and just a few lines to sing.. Jeongyeon’s voice and beauty is so underrated..
even from day 1..
My god, not the twice antis infesting this video with backhanded comments 11 months later.
Give the mic to jengyeon. That's effortless for her ❤️
ppl bullied twice for their vocals so much they're literally scared of singing live
Instead of getting scared they should improve 😂
until this day i am very much confused by the songs they are given. i dont really remember too much from my coach but she said kpop singers often relies too much on their chest voice and it's not even trained properly since they focused more on dance, to make it worse the company gave songs that doesnt suit their vocal tones or even ranges. makes it difficult for them to sing it live. another addition, lately they even use pre records and backtracks on stages so idols dont have the amount to train on live singing in front of crowds. plus the company wants them to appear "perfect" on lives, making them worry too much on making mistakes while singing live, it's painful to watch and they are just humans, not AI or robots.
This is one of the factors which made it hard for me to stan other groups outside the companies that doesn't prioritise vocal. Not just vocal training, they kept giving these idols songs which are way above their technique capability.
The reason why Lesserafim's discography is okay to me is the fact that their songs are singable for them.
I don't hate any of them, but the reason why a group/idol stuck in my fave list is their discography and live stages. 75% of kpop labels have failed their idols and the people since the 1st gens.
so what groups do you stan?
Wtf are u talking abt twice has one of the best b sides in the industry bruh. They sang alot of it live on the world tour and slayed. Yunjin is the only one in le sserafim with stable vocals the others are a joke
@@ernie5036 Twice b sides from 2015 to 2018 were as trashy as their title tracks. Have you heard the b sides in Twicetagram album? nearly all of them were crap just like how the song 'Likey' was crap. 'Fancy you' album is when their b sides started improving. Before that, Twice had maybe 5 good b side tracks from from their whole career between 2015 - 2018
@@ernie5036 LSF has songs that fit their vocals. Like pretty monotone, with almost no vocals gymnastics.
Twice's discography that I've heard so far has so many of them with challenging vocal arrangements. Like some of the members are so afraid to sing their songs during encore and for live performances.
"who doesn't prioritize vocal"
These programs gave them impromtu singing without these poor girls warmed up. Do not blame this GG for not having extraordinary vocal cords and can adjust their range without warming up. They. CAN. SING. AT. HIGHER. RANGE. WHEN. THEY. ARE WARMED. UP. AND. COMFORTABLE.
Blame the program who just make them sing live without warming their voice up ended up them being uncomfortable.
As a person who had vocal training, this is just gullible as--
Proud of my beautiful bias jeongie 😍💚
Love you forever 💞
Which is why I’ll always admit as a Once, Twice are hardworking angels. But individually their vocal capabilities as a group is lacking incredibly for such a veteran group. Their choreographies? On point. Their energy and presence? Amazing. There are times when their vocals do come to play, but that’s the confusing part. You can’t tell how good or bad they are because of how mix and matched it is, it’s all very inconsistent. True some of the lines the members get are out of their vocal range and some have never been especially good singers (i.e. Momo, and it’s clear the company are not utilising her strengths properly) but there needs to be clear development. Some of the members get the easiest likes to sing, even if you’re tired to at least have some decency singing it, or during the stage, but yet still somehow they don’t? Even with the rapping too. So Twice as a group needs a LOT of improvements vocally for sure alongside their management of how ‘tired’ they get and how weak they sing and rap live at times. I still love them though, I know they have amazing talents, but I do feel as though it is an example of kpop companies pushing idols that never initially had that potential. Even if they do improve: Momo is an amazing dancer and potential rapper, could have developed there but instead she’s dancing and singing in high ranges. Tzuyu was just a visual point from the beginning. Dahyun’s rapping was always weak and never had any initial great feats besides her funny nature, these are just some examples. It would be nice if the company would stop forcing comebacks every second as much as the girls love it, and develop their strengths and skills more. And some onces, just as we criticise other kpop idols and groups, need to accept that seeing problems or weaknesses in your fave doesnt discredit how great they are, and that it’s not ok to try and be blind about it or lie consistently that it’s because they’re ‘tired’
nayeon avoiding the highnote is actually smart because attempting to do highnotes might damaged ur vocal cords and the artist might regressed like yuju, although yuju gained techniques on how to utilize her vocals more
Avoiding a note is not a smart tactic. Changing the note is the smart tactic. Some singers lower the high note parts if they got sick or tired or etc. but for twice they mostly skip it.
Its smart especially if you wont hit it anyway.
One thing abt Jeongyeon is that she’ll ALWAYS give her best no matter when or where she’s singing.
jeongyeon deep voice>>>>>
I wish they just got songs in there range
In scientist era Was there range but it wasnt so much popular sadly :(
Stop lying you LOVED I can’t stop me and More & More
If they get a song in their range then noone likes it. Scientist was the era where everyone can sing comfortably but sadly it wasn't loved as much as ICSM, CFM....
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I love Twice but let's be honest, most of them can't sing. And it doesn't matter cause at least they give us good songs but y'all gotta stop blaming the company for everything and just accept the fact that some of them can't sing
Jihyo is an example of me singing kpop low voice crack A LOT
Putting this kind of video up is NOT helpful. I really hate when fans say "I'm not doing this as hate I just wish JYPe took better care of them" then turn around and share every not-so-amazing moment they have. Voice cracks happen even in the most amazing talented singers, they are HUMAN.
During More & More Momo was TERRIFIED to sing on stage because before they ever did a live performance people we already talking shit about her vocals; she did not have once and she did not want to be hated on even more. She still has that anxiety with the more recent stages as well.
Sana is like Dahyun and has a soft singing voice. I'm shocked you showed a Fancy encore because Sana was being hated on very heavily during that time. Her voice was wavering because she is holding back tears.
Chaeyoungs "SOS" is clearly just a silly way to say it. what was the point of even including that?
Nayeon and Jihyo are not the only singers to avoid singing a note that maybe they cannot perform at that moment. That doesn't mean they can't reach that note because they have in a lot of other live performances and obviously in the studio. again, They are human.
It's just obvious to me that you love Jeongyeon so much that you are willing to give backhanded compliments to the other members to raise her up. Jeongyeon is an amazing singer, as are the rest of her members. No two singers are alike and that's why we enjoy them together.
I fully agree with you!! Especially with chaeyoung one! That's just so ridiculous tho cause she just sang it playfully that's why nayeon and momo laughed at her🤣and about jeongyeon too. I understand that they(jeongyeon's bias) may feel everything is unfair to her like i mean i felt it too! But if you open your eyes it is actually fair with the others like tzuyu! However they are okay with it jeongyeon and tzuyu and all of twice are okay with it! If they are not why would they want to continue the contract?? Please think first you all..and please support all of the members.. not just one. Remember they are like family to each other❤️ so don't give bashful comments about other members and just praise/defend your bias..srsly i think they will be sad and disappointed on you including your bias if you did that🥺
indeed
Nah, videos like these are necessary to stop fans from over idolizing and bring them back to the reality that their favorite kpop idols may not be the godly vocalist opera level of a singer they think they are.
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 No. They literally aren't needed for that. Who is this person to do that? I'm not against a video that has true constructive criticism but this video is not that.
@@Aiichuux they are very much needed. Can't let the fans get too passionate and delusional.
Why do they have to make them all look cutesy? Jeongyeon would be HEAVENLY in a tomboy look.
0:48 ok momo's own company is her anti. I feel so sad. Meanwhile my bias jeongyeon, i remeber during sixteen being surprised by her stability. Fighting, Twice! You are my favorite group❤️
Not yall hating on the girls suddenly- Its already hard to reach a c5,and to hit it perfectly without voice cracks and sustain it is on another level,i suggest you try and dance and sing for 3-4 minutes and then sing perfectly again!
SNSD can’t relate
@@TheQueerNuii sssooooooo true hahahahah
They are singers 😭 this is their job
The point is that they’re giving the girls songs that are outside of their range. Those notes are extremely hard to hit and it’s ridiculous that anyone would expect them to hit it since 1. It’s clearly outside of their range, and 2. They’re also dancing. It’s not as much that they can’t sing as much as it is the companies aren’t being realistic about what can and can’t be done on stage, which makes the girls look bad.
@@meecrowuaveh it's literally their job lol
Why can't these big companies get talents that can actually sing and train them. Or visuals is the main consideration when recruiting. Kpop has been around for 30+ plus years but vocal quality seemed diving.
Bp for less mistakes has recieved even threats, but well what we can do when these 9 girls are the token stanned group by the most toxic fandom 😂
I wished theyd give Jeongyeon more lines… i get that her voice may not fit their girly concepts but nonetheless she still deserves more
Sana was very sad during Fancy era,give a break to her.
wait why is she sad
@@qtmich she got a lot of hate at fancy era. I cant say the Details exactly but it Was bc she comments smt on insta (it wasnt her fault, it Was the Fans fault)
@@qtmich i think it's related to a japanese post... then k-netizens got mad
Being sad doesnt make your voice worse wtf is that excuse😂
It does because if your sad it ruins your vocals when you sing
Jyp needs to make them sing in a more comfortable range. They need to sing songs where they dont strain their voice or make it sound horrendous.
You shoulda shown nayeon's "I love you" part in fancy while she was singing backstage. She reached it comfortably
you forgot jihyo encore in more&more she so stable
I think jyp was so embarrassed by making this mistake of not training his idols' vocals properly, that he created nmixx
Despite all of the time Jeongyeon has missed, I still consider her to be one of the best female kpop singers in a group. She’s good. People just hate her for other reasons
I would be tired too like Jihyo if im always carrying the vocals in a group consisting of 8 other members!! And another thing i dont understand, i thought Jeongyeon was supposed to be a lead singer and 8years later she still barely gets any lines!!
you people really call urselves “fans”…
“it’s constructive criticism” no it’s not it’s hate bro saying they give u second hand embarrassment and that they’re vocals are weak but then justifying by saying ur a once and you love them is the most backhanded fkn thing.
Exactly! Thank you so much for this.
literally
saying their vocals are weak (for some of them) isn't hate, is the truth. except for the vocal line they all are pretty weak vocalists. you guys need a reality check lol people should be able to point out their fav groups weakness without being called haters
@@Cecilia-ld4uu people can point out their favs weaknesses without it being seen as hate, this video is just pure hate. so rewatch the video & try again
Right?!?! These "fans" are seriously so fkn weird. Plus they never use videos of the world tour where they sang 90% live and had amazing vocals?! They seriously pick the times where the girls where tired or breathless from dancing and say LOOK they CAnT siNg they Need to be trained. Like stfuuuu
I think line distribution is not the problem , the problem is that they actually lack talent
momos sadness in the m&m performance actually made me so sad we love u dancing machine
Wkwkwk i don't know why they're so popular
They are talented, they write alot of their own music, they all have amazing personalities and have great music. What's not to like?
@@bubbles11111 And they're rich, popular and full of fans who are crazy about them 🥺
@@minakaientertainment8213 they're rich, popular and have alot of supportive fans because of their music, talent and personalities🥺🥺
This was literally 5 years ago bye
Fancy was undoubtedly a fantastic track, but it is clear that the captivating vocal melody was realized primarily through technological augmentation. There are folks who can successfully cover this song, but I think the issues Twice has singing it live demonstrates the impact of how technology pushes the boundaries of what's entertaining without needing to respect what's comfortably attainable for human singers. The challenging range gives Twice a superhuman poise when performing this song with the appropriate backing tracks, but clearly falls apart when left to the members' pure abilities. Fancy will be a memorable and well regarded track for years to come, but it is not a very accessible song to perform.
After watching this, i really feel that Jeongyeon might be an amazing soloist as Tayeon, they both have amazing technique and control, without counting their amazing tone and voice, no wonder why she's my bias, there's no more explanation to give
I LUV THIS GIRLLSSS LOOK AT THEIR STABLE VOCALS RAPS VISUALS AND DANCES SO ELEGANT!!
Omfg I am so impressed by jeongyeon vocal and stability according to the fact that she has anxiety issue on stage ❤
some of these were such a stretch especially with jihyo. the ‘i need you’ part is very much in her vocal range LMAO..she again with nayeon have literally done it live PERFECT 293738 times..give them a break? it’s an encore stage not a live performance. plus u kept saying ‘and here’ for jihyo when i did not hear one voice crack? be serious. i love jeongyeon but if this was just a video to uplift her..it was silly because that ending was so?
i love Jeongyeon, her vocals are always stable and look at herrr she is soo frecking cuteee
I love that Jihyo is still trying to hit those high notes. Love her
4:27 is so sad 😭😭😭
I need a Jeongyeon solo.