I just went from a Zoe 40 kwh to a MG ZS EV last week, but the newest Zoe does look very good. It's just a bit too cramped for carrying four adults, and I've come to realize that I do that quite a lot. I love your channel, keep up the great work!
Jan-Bart Spang It’s the leg room and the comfort of the seats (we all had major back pains after longer trips in the Zoe) that’s the issue. The curves and mold of the seats just aren’t made for taller people IMO - it interfaces with our bodies in the wrong places. I have the same issue on public transport; some seats just don’t work for taller bodies.
Jeff Schofield I think it was £155 fitted I had the dealer fit it before I collected the car, I went for the grey one that matches the door arm rests. I think the black one is slightly cheaper.
Great review guys, thanks. Agree on all counts I think. We got our ZE50 at the end of May, our third Zoe having had an R240 and then R90 before. This is so much better in so many ways, it’s not just the range, but it feels so much more refined. We also think it is quieter than the ZE40 and seems more efficient. Not sure how, but we’re consistently seeing near to 5mpkWh over the past 500 miles and the weather has been very mixed over that period. Having CCS just makes it so much more useable, I think 160 miles before needing to look for a charge on the motorway would be comfortable, but it’ll take on a decent range in 40-50 minutes now.
If we decide to go from hybrid to EV the Zoe ZE50 would be our choice. It is an almost identical in size to our present car so would still fit our drive way and accommodate our range requirements. Would need a good deal on price though. Your reviews are always very informative and a pleasure to watch.
Just bought a Zoe, GT Line, so far very pleased. Got mine on the road for under £28k new. Still too pricey really but in EV terms no other small car offers the range, and big discounts are available, so haggle. I have ordered the armrest and will fit myself, £111. I think that ought to be fitted on the GT Line. Always thought the Zoe was cute looking, the new version looks a bit sharper but has not lost its personality. Looks great in Flame Red. Equipment is very good and the boot is large
My ZE50 GT Line in metallic red was also picked up from DSG in Morecambe courtesy of ‘Will’. As above it’s now back with DSG to sort out the creaking tail gate and non working preconditioning which are issues being reported by Zoe owners on numerous EV forums but nobody seems comfortable mentioning any of these faults on TH-cam videos? Suggest ask DSG to confirm no issues with your Zoe before pickup to avoid any disappointment or trips back to the dealership. Still love my Zoe but slightly disappointed with these issues which will no doubt get sorted but not exactly a recommendation for buying a Renault! I am sure you love your new car, enjoy, it is a very good car.
@@StevesTechTime sadly, for now, the pre-conditioning via the App seems to be a software issue with the App itself. I'll live with the inconvenience until Renault gets it sorted, though it is very disappointing. I'll be doing a very thorough check on the car before I drive it off the forecourt, don't you worry :) Enjoy yours ☺️
Should be taking delivery of mine next week, same colour as your model. Thanks for the video - I'm really looking forward to getting mine now! Managed to negotiate £28,500 for the GT Line (without Bose) - I used Carwow and the dealers do want to compete as you said on your video. I went to my local dealer for a test drive and they matched the best carwow offer.
Great review guys. Pity we won't see the top spec in Australia any time soon, although with no govt grants and limited BEV's available for competition prices are much closer to RRP. This model really sounds like a step change from previous though which is good.
My ZE50 has a dashboard that squeaks on the passenger side. In summer, when I got it 4.5-5 mkwh was no trouble. In winter, heater at 18C etc down to the 3.5 mkwh region.
In France the Zoe 50 top of the range costs 36600 E or 28500 E if you rent the battery. Then less 7000 E gov. grant = 29600 E or 21500 E. We do low mileage so the battery rental is a good idea plus it gives you complete breakdown cover for every eventuality.
Will Adams will spec you an armrest. Great video guys as always! I am yet to drive this new model but I did have the original 22 kWh Zoe for a few days and found the backend quite twitchy on uneven surfaces. Glad to hear the suspension setup has improved on this latest model. 👍
Another brilliant review. I saw this car in Paris last year October and I instantly loved the update. However... I am now driving a 2019 BMW I3. And I LOVE IT. For me, part of the appeal with EVs has to be the aesthetic STYLING with functional purpose. As you know I had a mark 1 Nissan LEAF which I thoroughly enjoyed driving. Unfortunately, the PCP deal was horrendous for the 4 years including the 1 year waiting time they promised I would not have while they were tactically releasing the mark 2 to the market. By the time it came round I refused to pay £5k deposit for a new LEAF (Which on the level something or someone has to talk to the car manufacturers about their outdated financial system that ensures they are getting paid without sharing the risk with careful drivers) . Especially as nothing was changed on the inside of the LEAF. I was not going to endure another 4 years of the same boring interface. Fast forward two years later to 2020, I waited and waited, tested the Hyundai, Kia etc while stubbornly using public transport. In the end because of COVID19, BMW won me over. It has the screens and regular buttons and 1 pedal driving. Because of the RD, EVs are expensive. However, with increased range, WHAT A DIFFERENCE 🤭 gopro.com/v/qzDB5lL5p220b
Got mine (GT-Line with CCS & self-parking, no Bose or heated seats) a couple of weeks ago, and love it. The insurance hike from a VW Up (group 2) to the Zoe (group 22) was only £50 for the year.
I think the new Zoe is super but £29k is ridiculous and just shows how completely the car companies still think they can fleece early adopters... No the early adopters have been and gone! My advice would be wait until you can get one for 20k new then fair enough which should be quite soon. The top of the range Clio costs £17k so you would need to use this Zoe very heavily for about 8 years to see a pay back. That's a stretch for most people.
The top of the range Clio (I think it's the hybrid one) is 23k according to Parkers. There were some fantastic lease offers around for the ZE50, so that's probably worth checking out. I don't think you'll get a CCS equipped Zoe for 20k for a while.
Depends on how you look at it. Total monthly cost of motoring (including fuel) for my current diesel on PCP is more than the Zoe on PCP (including the cost to charge).
I think a lot of these companies have been keeping the prices higher than they should be for the last year or so and probably will continue to do so until VW release their non first edition ID. 3. This is to make some money to cover their initial investment and have money for future investment. This is definitely the case for Renault.
@@garrypalmer5574 the manufacturing costs for EVs are higher - it costs more to put the tooling and supply chain in place to build these vehicles, so the price will come down over time with volume and competition. Personally I'll beleive VWs ID 3 pricing when it hit's the market. For what it is in comparison to the other vehicles on the market right now, the Zoe is still a good proposition - and when I ordered mine nothing else was available in the time frame. Still, I went for a 2 year PCP so I can take advantage of the market as it matures further....
@@mrmdbarton all of which would make some sense for a company other than Renault which has been making Zoes for years and has supply chains and manufacturing lines already spun up. Look I'm not criticising Renault for trying to get £29k for this model initially but I think fairly soon through discounted PCP, deposit rebates and other tricks you'll see the price for this drop through competition if nothing else as you say.
Great video as usual thanks looked at few evs and went with Zoe ze50 in gt line as it fitted the bill nice looking good to drive good range at a good price and over 1600 miles later in 4 weeks We’re happy with our choice only thing missing is acc I miss that from last car, but not big thing, love auto handbrake and the way the car drives is great. Got armrest fixes that problem but u lose 1 cup holder so had to have one on air vent. Don’t think seats are as comfy as last car ioniq but not bad , did you get numb bum Kate ? Well impressed with Efficiency of Zoe ze50 had upto 5.8 miles per kWh on 50 mph a road to the coast and mostly between mid 4s to mid 5s at speed limits is good and done 190 miles motorway trip at 60-65 mph in wind and rain and Still had 26 left at 4.5-5 miles per kWh at sensible motorway speed was good I think . Had range between 210 and 260 estimate range after trips so the Zoe can do good range well done Renault also cheap to run at about 1p a mile on octopus agile so that better than around 8 p of hybrid think we saved about £150 on fuel in last 4 weeks on hybrid or about 200-250£ on normal petrol car that is good!
Great review, we get our GT line rapid charge with winter pack in metallic black next week. High list price but with discounts and offers came in around 26k. (Ordered feb) will be our second car with a model 3 as our main car. With the 45p a mile the wife gets for her work miles the Zoe is cost neutral for PCP payments, a no brainer
Headroom rear is an issue if you above 175 cm (5"10 or so). You might say that extreme but our teenagers getting taller every year! Otherwise brilliant!
It’s great to see that Renault have finally produced the car the Zoe should have always been. That said, I’d like to hear what you thing of the Kia Soul 64kw with the same underpinnings at the multi award winning Kia E-Niro but with a different look?
Zoe 50 Vs Clio? No question, no choice. Zoe is far and away the better car. Traded my ZE40 Zoe PCP into a GT Line, fully spec (bar Bose stereo) 50 Lease and I'll be paying £10 LESS a month overall for a far better car. Should have been delivered by now but,... Well, y'know. Hopefully next month.
Good review but this is another review of the range-topping R135. What about the R110 basic model? And what about insurance? No-one ever mentions that e.g. for younger drivers.
Majority of EVs do not have a Park facility. They just apply the electric parking brake. Unlike most automatic ICE cars which mechanically lock the transmission in park.
Love your videos James and Kate and really considering a Zoe as our 2nd EV to be used for school runs etc. From a longterm reliability perspective (now that it's a few years after you posted this video), do you believe the are a good used, longterm option?
I test drove the new Zoe and the Peugeot 208. I much prefer the 208, just felt a lot sportier to me and I know many won't agree but other than acceleration I didn't really feel it was massively different to my ZE40. It is obviously posher but it would cost me over twice the value of my car to swap. List prices haven't gone up but the combination of lower government grant and not much in the way of discounts mean it is over £9 k more than I paid for my ZE40 yikes. I paid £18k for my ZE40 and £27.5 is best I can get an GT line with rapid charging for. I hate to say it but I had a convertible before my Zoe and miss it so much I am looking at swapping my Zoe for a 2014 Mercedes SLK. I feel so dirty and it is going back to the dark ages but probably my last sinful purchase.
@knowledge share Unfortunately early Model S is still £30K in the UK and actually way too big for me as well. The SLK is the same price as my Zoe so I won't have to shell out any cash (though the running costs will be a huge amount more). I haven't done it yet but will decide whether of not to go to the dark side soon.
Looking at getting one of these ZE50 GT models with CCS soon - what do I need to check when looking at a used one and how near to the 5-year warranty running out should I get Cleevely to look over it? - I need to buy private as max budget £9k sadly - can't justify spending more on my 4k miles per year.
A mate of mine in Norway has a 40 and every day we went out the range was 300 km so i would look for a nearly new one for around 12k in the UK. £26,000 basic sounds still a bit too expensive for this.
Traffic police: 8:20 Hmm.... 14% above the 70 mph speed limit... Aha! 🚔 😬 Thanks for the excellent review, James and Kate. The Zöe really has become a capable car. A genuine 200+ mile range is on a par with most small fossil fuelled cars, exactly what many potential purchasers have been waiting for.
Looking at this as my first EV, hopefully pick one up next year. Im doing 60mile round trip on the M6 each day. From reviews ive seen to date looks like it should be ok 👌 🤞
How much difference does it make with Bose sub woofer? Not sure if I should add this £500 option or not on a lease car. Also, how well the auto park assist work? Both Park in and Park out? Thanks for a good review and thank you in advance.
Hi, a great video and pretty much reflects my experience as a new Zoe GT Line owner. However, I am having no luck with the preconditioning function either via the Renault app or in the car via the console. Just curious, have you guys managed to figure out the pre-conditioning which probably isn't too much of a problem during the summer but as the winter approaches this will be invaluable and was one of the reasons I decided to get an EV (this is my first EV)? Btw my Zoe is currently back with the dealer to sort out a creaking tailgate and see if they can figure out why the preconditioning isn't working. Despite these 'teething' problems I am really enjoying the Zoe and honestly can't ever see me going back into an ICE car - it's just too much fun!
@@linux1123 Thanks for the update - these videos do look good but are often too sugar coated . Thanks for a genuinely useful comment (still love my Zoe but disappointed with Renault's quality control!).
"Start Engine stop"..... engine? Good to see the glovebox has been modified to fit more than glove in now. Still no centre arm rest though. Honest answer. Has the dash update reduced the glare on the inside of the windscreen? The biggest issue seemed to be the windscreen rake (but the Clio which isn't as raked ha similar glare issues).
Does a petrol motorbike have an electric motor?! Dashboard is now black, glare is reduced quite a bit. In very strong sunshine you do get some reflections, but not as bad as before and can be mitigated with polarized sunglasses
i disagree about the missing P (gear select). It is actually logical that there is no P - like in a manual gearbox you put it in N and engage the handbrake
Another nice review; as always ;-) , just wondered how is the regenarative braking in the new Zoe;is it better than the previous models; and can you do one pedal driving until full stop?
Looks a great car. Do you guys still have your MG? I had a test drive in one yesterday morning and quite liked it on the test. Do you still like yours?
I wouldn't buy top of the range so interested in actual on the road cost of lower variants. Other things - is it quiet on the motorway (wind and road noise), is the driving position comfortable (e.g. fully adjustable steering wheel) and does it have active battery thermal management? The latter two would underline it's competitiveness compared with the Leaf.
The Peugeot. Because I'm a boy and I used to own 1.9 205 GTi back in the day and it's not to dissimilar. Ask Kate and I'd expect the Zoe would be her choice for child friendly loading and space 👍🏻
@@Jamesandkate for me the versatility offered by the 22kw charging on AC is the differentiator. We have a model 3 now but had Lemon Tea Leaf's 22 kw zoe for a few weeks after we sold him my leaf. In those few short weeks in a 2015 zoe I came to realise that the "slow" chargers all over the place were actually pretty rapid when you charge at 22kw. It's a real advantage.
Does it have height adjustable front seats and reach/rake steering wheel adjustment? The brochure isn’t clear. Price seems odd. Has reasonable range but 50kw charging is too slow for long trips. So for me it’s a commuting/shopping car. And >£25k is too much for that. Our fully loaded Seat Ibiza was £17k. I believe that also has more interior and boot space than the Zoe.
There is reach and rake on the steering wheel but none of the seats are height adjustable (or base angle) as they are on top of the batteries - the down side to a design where they keep the weight in between the axles and do not sacrifice the boot.
@@Jamesandkate I'd be tempted by looks but I sat in one pre-lockdown and the interior is strikingly dark and cramped-feeling compared to the Zoe. It really put me off it.
Been test driving e208 yesterday, oh boy, that just brings back real hot hatch feelings when driving it. You can resist pushing accelerator, especially shooting off roundabouts, it's planted to the road. Having said that - I can't compare both, as didn't test drove Zoe 50 yet
Zoe is more refined, more elegant, calmer than e208. The infotainment software is nicer in Zoe, nicer steering wheel, overall better interior and longer range. But e208 has the racer feel and charging speed. What’s your driving style? Mine is chilled, so I went for the Zoe.
I think new Zoe,s are over priced at the moment compared with the completion but there is lot low mileage Zoe,s on the market I bought a 2 year old s/h GT Line Zoe for £10,000 less than the new price with very low mileage from a main dealer the warranty still 3 years and 5 years on the battery warranty. For all the world feels like new really please. Compared to my Nissan leaf the Zoe feels like it's in a different league I was looking to buy a new Kia Soul or a Hyundai E Kona although the Zoe is as not as good but the money I've saved is going to pay for solar on the roof along with a Telsa power wall. So buying a low mileage Zoe makes perfect sense.
I like the old style handbreak in my ze40, once a while I use it when driving, to keep rear breaks clean, if breaks look rusty, the can not pass yearly inspection. Of course not easy to see the rust because ze40 has rear drum breaks.
Charge level no, time slots yes. Why do you need to set charge level? Zoe doesn’t use the same battery technology as Tesla and it also has a buffer, so there is no worry about charging to 100% every time. My older Zoe was losing about 1% per year through degradation and it was heavily used.
When I bought my current 2019 Zoe I specced up an equivalent Clio to contrast. The Zoe comes with many, many specs that are optional extras on the Clio. Half a dozen options needed to be added to bring it to parity. And the Clio was only £30 cheaper a month, even taking into account the battery lease. Now take off road tax. Now factor in fuel savings: the Zoe SAVES me £60 a month, every month. I'm picking up a ZE50 next week. It is £10 cheaper than my current one a month and the Motor is more powerful than all but the highest spec Clio. And I've not even started with BIK tax being nil and no congestion charge. Work it out. It's cheaper.
@captain pugwash oh, it's you: the anti-EV troll. We've had this conversation. You made no sense and no good arguements then and I'm not expecting any better this time. I'm not imagining my numbers they came straight from Renault. The current Clio is embarrassingly slow compared to the 135 motor and no way as nice to drive. And at 230+ miles of range, I could go 4 hours of driving without stopping in my upcoming car. So no: you're wrong. You have your preconceived bias and nothing will shake your embedded notions. One wonders why you bother posting on EV videos. Haven't you anything constructive to do?
@captain pugwash will you knock it off? The worst I've ever managed in my CURRENT Zoe was 120 miles in 0 degrees at 70mp in the rain. That was North Yorkshire Moors to Manchester AND BACK. The trip we've already discussed (North Yorkshire Moors to Norfolk) was DECEMBER and raining which, as I've already, patiently, explained we did with a single stop for the same time as we always stopped, long before I had the Zoe. If the new one can't make that journey with a 15 minute 50kw stop for coffee I would be astonished. With a light foot it could be done in a single charge. I'm simply done talking to you. You don't listen, you're set to hate all EVs because you have an 8 YEAR OLD LEAF and you're bitter. Kindly take your ridiculous notions elsewhere. The Grand Tour's and Daily Mail's comments section will give you all the echo chamber back slapping you want. Meanwhile, in the real world the adults are talking.
Nice car, much improved but the price is ridiculous at the moment. They will have to come down to ICE car prices to drag me away from them at the moment. I can’t help thinking that the manufacturers are just milking those prepared to get onto the electric market early on
My current Zoe costs £60 less a month than an identically optioned Clio after tax and fuel savings. I did the maths before I bought it. Now eliminate BIK tax if you're a business owner. Then take off congestion charge if you live in London. Sticker price is only part of it and you're getting far more car than a Clio.
You probably dont care but if you are bored like me atm then you can stream pretty much all of the latest movies and series on InstaFlixxer. Have been streaming with my gf for the last few weeks =)
you can get the ice engine on a Clio for £10000.00 less ! your going to have to keep your Zoe a long time before you get that back. I really want to get into ev transport but until they can sell them at an affordable price I'm out.
You can, but you can also get a cheaper model Zoe. Well worth accounting for tax, servicing and fuel costs and the cross over period suddenly isn't so far away. However, you're right, prices do need to fall 👍🏻
@@Jamesandkate with all due respect, at current prices it will take around 10 - 12 years to 'break even' compared to the ICE vehicle if you do 6000 miles a year! With most PCP deals being between 3 and 5 years long, you would need to be doing around 25 - 30 thousand miles a year to break even....
great ev but why or why cant a manufactuer produce just a simple no hi tec electric vechicle, one that doesnt look like the starship enterprise every time. High specs are great but , given the cost of evs a very basic version would be a good idea
I did that ... sold my 18 month old ZE40 for more than I paid for it. I now have a ZE50 GT line on personal contract hire at £299/month for 24 months. At the end of that I will probably either buy one or go for a completely different EV. I’m expecting a lot of options in 24 months.
I just went from a Zoe 40 kwh to a MG ZS EV last week, but the newest Zoe does look very good. It's just a bit too cramped for carrying four adults, and I've come to realize that I do that quite a lot. I love your channel, keep up the great work!
Not a issue having 4 adults in the car.
Jan-Bart Spang It is when three of us are 190 cm+!
knowledge share Too expensive, but I did dream of an e-Niro!
@@eriksp92 how thin are they? 🙂
Jan-Bart Spang It’s the leg room and the comfort of the seats (we all had major back pains after longer trips in the Zoe) that’s the issue. The curves and mold of the seats just aren’t made for taller people IMO - it interfaces with our bodies in the wrong places. I have the same issue on public transport; some seats just don’t work for taller bodies.
Everywhere I look, reveiwers love the new ZOE. Had a go in it last autumn and loved it too - definitely my gonna be my future car.
I’m loving my ZE50, massive step up from the ZE40. I added the optional accessory armrest in mine; well worth it!
Hi how much was the armrest? Thanks
Jeff Schofield I think it was £155 fitted I had the dealer fit it before I collected the car, I went for the grey one that matches the door arm rests. I think the black one is slightly cheaper.
@@rikkiteml8851 Great thanks.
@@rikkiteml8851 Yo, with the armrest installed, did you lose one of the cup holders? Or can you still access both of them under the armrest?
Groaznic you lose one of them.
Currently have a 2015 Zoe, cannot wait til I can upgrade to the new one! Fantastic little car
Great review guys, thanks. Agree on all counts I think. We got our ZE50 at the end of May, our third Zoe having had an R240 and then R90 before. This is so much better in so many ways, it’s not just the range, but it feels so much more refined. We also think it is quieter than the ZE40 and seems more efficient. Not sure how, but we’re consistently seeing near to 5mpkWh over the past 500 miles and the weather has been very mixed over that period. Having CCS just makes it so much more useable, I think 160 miles before needing to look for a charge on the motorway would be comfortable, but it’ll take on a decent range in 40-50 minutes now.
Thomas and Gunilla from Tjoern, swedish westcoast, just fell in love with your car!
If we decide to go from hybrid to EV the Zoe ZE50 would be our choice. It is an almost identical in size to our present car so would still fit our drive way and accommodate our range requirements.
Would need a good deal on price though. Your reviews are always very informative and a pleasure to watch.
Glad you mention the 2nd stage of pull on the e208 as I’ve noticed that but not many agree.
Really great car and brilliant review....Glad you had lots of sunshine for the video too as really shows off the looks of the car.
Just bought a Zoe, GT Line, so far very pleased. Got mine on the road for under £28k new. Still too pricey really but in EV terms no other small car offers the range, and big discounts are available, so haggle. I have ordered the armrest and will fit myself, £111. I think that ought to be fitted on the GT Line. Always thought the Zoe was cute looking, the new version looks a bit sharper but has not lost its personality. Looks great in Flame Red. Equipment is very good and the boot is large
Delighted to say that my ZE50 GT Line has arrived at DSG in Morecambe. Will be picking it up next Monday! Can't wait.
My ZE50 GT Line in metallic red was also picked up from DSG in Morecambe courtesy of ‘Will’. As above it’s now back with DSG to sort out the creaking tail gate and non working preconditioning which are issues being reported by Zoe owners on numerous EV forums but nobody seems comfortable mentioning any of these faults on TH-cam videos? Suggest ask DSG to confirm no issues with your Zoe before pickup to avoid any disappointment or trips back to the dealership. Still love my Zoe but slightly disappointed with these issues which will no doubt get sorted but not exactly a recommendation for buying a Renault!
I am sure you love your new car, enjoy, it is a very good car.
@@StevesTechTime sadly, for now, the pre-conditioning via the App seems to be a software issue with the App itself. I'll live with the inconvenience until Renault gets it sorted, though it is very disappointing.
I'll be doing a very thorough check on the car before I drive it off the forecourt, don't you worry :)
Enjoy yours ☺️
Should be taking delivery of mine next week, same colour as your model. Thanks for the video - I'm really looking forward to getting mine now! Managed to negotiate £28,500 for the GT Line (without Bose) - I used Carwow and the dealers do want to compete as you said on your video. I went to my local dealer for a test drive and they matched the best carwow offer.
Great review! I've bought my ZE50 and love it. Couldn't afford a GT Line, but ended up with the R135 motor on my Iconic with Tech Pack.
Great review guys. Pity we won't see the top spec in Australia any time soon, although with no govt grants and limited BEV's available for competition prices are much closer to RRP. This model really sounds like a step change from previous though which is good.
What a great camera guys 👍 great video too as always
My ZE50 has a dashboard that squeaks on the passenger side. In summer, when I got it 4.5-5 mkwh was no trouble. In winter, heater at 18C etc down to the 3.5 mkwh region.
In France the Zoe 50 top of the range costs 36600 E or 28500 E if you rent the battery. Then less 7000 E gov. grant = 29600 E or 21500 E. We do low mileage so the battery rental is a good idea plus it gives you complete breakdown cover for every eventuality.
Will Adams will spec you an armrest. Great video guys as always! I am yet to drive this new model but I did have the original 22 kWh Zoe for a few days and found the backend quite twitchy on uneven surfaces. Glad to hear the suspension setup has improved on this latest model. 👍
Nice review lots of information well explained, enjoyed the journey with you!
Another brilliant review. I saw this car in Paris last year October and I instantly loved the update. However... I am now driving a 2019 BMW I3. And I LOVE IT. For me, part of the appeal with EVs has to be the aesthetic STYLING with functional purpose. As you know I had a mark 1 Nissan LEAF which I thoroughly enjoyed driving. Unfortunately, the PCP deal was horrendous for the 4 years including the 1 year waiting time they promised I would not have while they were tactically releasing the mark 2 to the market. By the time it came round I refused to pay £5k deposit for a new LEAF (Which on the level something or someone has to talk to the car manufacturers about their outdated financial system that ensures they are getting paid without sharing the risk with careful drivers) . Especially as nothing was changed on the inside of the LEAF. I was not going to endure another 4 years of the same boring interface. Fast forward two years later to 2020, I waited and waited, tested the Hyundai, Kia etc while stubbornly using public transport. In the end because of COVID19, BMW won me over. It has the screens and regular buttons and 1 pedal driving. Because of the RD, EVs are expensive. However, with increased range, WHAT A DIFFERENCE 🤭
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Excellent as always guys! 😎
James , fancy getting your kWh and kW mixed up ! 🙄🤣🤣👍👍 great review pal 👏👏
Got mine (GT-Line with CCS & self-parking, no Bose or heated seats) a couple of weeks ago, and love it. The insurance hike from a VW Up (group 2) to the Zoe (group 22) was only £50 for the year.
I think the new Zoe is super but £29k is ridiculous and just shows how completely the car companies still think they can fleece early adopters... No the early adopters have been and gone! My advice would be wait until you can get one for 20k new then fair enough which should be quite soon.
The top of the range Clio costs £17k so you would need to use this Zoe very heavily for about 8 years to see a pay back. That's a stretch for most people.
The top of the range Clio (I think it's the hybrid one) is 23k according to Parkers. There were some fantastic lease offers around for the ZE50, so that's probably worth checking out. I don't think you'll get a CCS equipped Zoe for 20k for a while.
Depends on how you look at it. Total monthly cost of motoring (including fuel) for my current diesel on PCP is more than the Zoe on PCP (including the cost to charge).
I think a lot of these companies have been keeping the prices higher than they should be for the last year or so and probably will continue to do so until VW release their non first edition ID. 3. This is to make some money to cover their initial investment and have money for future investment. This is definitely the case for Renault.
@@garrypalmer5574 the manufacturing costs for EVs are higher - it costs more to put the tooling and supply chain in place to build these vehicles, so the price will come down over time with volume and competition. Personally I'll beleive VWs ID 3 pricing when it hit's the market. For what it is in comparison to the other vehicles on the market right now, the Zoe is still a good proposition - and when I ordered mine nothing else was available in the time frame. Still, I went for a 2 year PCP so I can take advantage of the market as it matures further....
@@mrmdbarton all of which would make some sense for a company other than Renault which has been making Zoes for years and has supply chains and manufacturing lines already spun up. Look I'm not criticising Renault for trying to get £29k for this model initially but I think fairly soon through discounted PCP, deposit rebates and other tricks you'll see the price for this drop through competition if nothing else as you say.
I've missed you guys!
Another good review J&K - looks like big improvement over original. Thanks..
Thanks for this honest review, very helpful. Debating between this and Kia e soul, I live in France.
We're coving the Soul on a few days if that helps 👍🏻
Great video as usual thanks looked at few evs and went with Zoe ze50 in gt line as it fitted the bill nice looking good to drive good range at a good price and over 1600 miles later in 4 weeks We’re happy with our choice only thing missing is acc I miss that from last car, but not big thing, love auto handbrake and the way the car drives is great. Got armrest fixes that problem but u lose 1 cup holder so had to have one on air vent. Don’t think seats are as comfy as last car ioniq but not bad , did you get numb bum Kate ? Well impressed with Efficiency of Zoe ze50 had upto 5.8 miles per kWh on 50 mph a road to the coast and mostly between mid 4s to mid 5s at speed limits is good and done 190 miles motorway trip at 60-65 mph in wind and rain and Still had 26 left at 4.5-5 miles per kWh at sensible motorway speed was good I think . Had range between 210 and 260 estimate range after trips so the Zoe can do good range well done Renault also cheap to run at about 1p a mile on octopus agile so that better than around 8 p of hybrid think we saved about £150 on fuel in last 4 weeks on hybrid or about 200-250£ on normal petrol car that is good!
An amazing package for the price.
Thanks for the review. Love it.
Great review, we get our GT line rapid charge with winter pack in metallic black next week. High list price but with discounts and offers came in around 26k. (Ordered feb) will be our second car with a model 3 as our main car. With the 45p a mile the wife gets for her work miles the Zoe is cost neutral for PCP payments, a no brainer
Thanks for your review, where was Florence!
I’m off to test drive the Zoe today! First time in an EV.
Love the part in the video where you go "hands free"
lol
If you added an extra CT on your Zappi it would show your house and PV load, only £12 roughly and you could fit it yourself.
This wasn't our Zappi. At home we are Eddi'd, harvi'd and Zappi'd up to the max 👌🏻
I fell in love with this new Zoe….
Headroom rear is an issue if you above 175 cm (5"10 or so). You might say that extreme but our teenagers getting taller every year! Otherwise brilliant!
It’s great to see that Renault have finally produced the car the Zoe should have always been. That said, I’d like to hear what you thing of the Kia Soul 64kw with the same underpinnings at the multi award winning Kia E-Niro but with a different look?
Great review thanks, as well as the preheat button, I think Renault have also removed the charge flap open button from the remote?
Zoe 50 Vs Clio? No question, no choice. Zoe is far and away the better car.
Traded my ZE40 Zoe PCP into a GT Line, fully spec (bar Bose stereo) 50 Lease and I'll be paying £10 LESS a month overall for a far better car.
Should have been delivered by now but,... Well, y'know. Hopefully next month.
Tim Austin why would a clip make it onto the stage?
Good review but this is another review of the range-topping R135. What about the R110 basic model? And what about insurance? No-one ever mentions that e.g. for younger drivers.
As usual good reviews
Majority of EVs do not have a Park facility. They just apply the electric parking brake. Unlike most automatic ICE cars which mechanically lock the transmission in park.
Love your videos James and Kate and really considering a Zoe as our 2nd EV to be used for school runs etc. From a longterm reliability perspective (now that it's a few years after you posted this video), do you believe the are a good used, longterm option?
Yeah, the 50kWh is a much better Zoe than the previous models. I'd consider one if it suits your needs.
Thanks for confirming @@Jamesandkate I hope you are all well.
I test drove the new Zoe and the Peugeot 208. I much prefer the 208, just felt a lot sportier to me and I know many won't agree but other than acceleration I didn't really feel it was massively different to my ZE40. It is obviously posher but it would cost me over twice the value of my car to swap. List prices haven't gone up but the combination of lower government grant and not much in the way of discounts mean it is over £9 k more than I paid for my ZE40 yikes. I paid £18k for my ZE40 and £27.5 is best I can get an GT line with rapid charging for. I hate to say it but I had a convertible before my Zoe and miss it so much I am looking at swapping my Zoe for a 2014 Mercedes SLK. I feel so dirty and it is going back to the dark ages but probably my last sinful purchase.
@knowledge share Unfortunately early Model S is still £30K in the UK and actually way too big for me as well. The SLK is the same price as my Zoe so I won't have to shell out any cash (though the running costs will be a huge amount more). I haven't done it yet but will decide whether of not to go to the dark side soon.
I had a Zoe now have the e208 and love it..
In Germany you can lease the Zoe for free now, just have to pay battery lease, cheapest is 39€ a month. Also France, but have to pay 79€ a month.
Strongly considered the Zoe ZE50 but ultimately the MG ZS was more car for less money if you want CCS.
Looking at getting one of these ZE50 GT models with CCS soon - what do I need to check when looking at a used one and how near to the 5-year warranty running out should I get Cleevely to look over it? - I need to buy private as max budget £9k sadly - can't justify spending more on my 4k miles per year.
There’s a van version now, would be great of you could get hold of one - there’s so little information available 👍
Love the Zoe , great little car.
A mate of mine in Norway has a 40 and every day we went out the range was 300 km so i would look for a nearly new one for around 12k in the UK. £26,000 basic sounds still a bit too expensive for this.
Traffic police: 8:20 Hmm.... 14% above the 70 mph speed limit... Aha! 🚔 😬
Thanks for the excellent review, James and Kate. The Zöe really has become a capable car. A genuine 200+ mile range is on a par with most small fossil fuelled cars, exactly what many potential purchasers have been waiting for.
CCS Combo finally? Am I correct?
You are
Yes but optional extra
Looking at this as my first EV, hopefully pick one up next year. Im doing 60mile round trip on the M6 each day. From reviews ive seen to date looks like it should be ok 👌 🤞
How much difference does it make with Bose sub woofer? Not sure if I should add this £500 option or not on a lease car. Also, how well the auto park assist work? Both Park in and Park out? Thanks for a good review and thank you in advance.
Great video guys
I have wanted a Zoe for a long time but sadly Renault won't sell or service to us in the usa.
The lack of adaptive cruise is a glaring omission. It would be perfect for me if it did. How can we lobby Renault to add adaptive cruise ?
CWRotherham you just go to a dealer and suggest that. He will know what to do
CWRotherham Dear Carlos G. Please please.
Hi, a great video and pretty much reflects my experience as a new Zoe GT Line owner. However, I am having no luck with the preconditioning function either via the Renault app or in the car via the console. Just curious, have you guys managed to figure out the pre-conditioning which probably isn't too much of a problem during the summer but as the winter approaches this will be invaluable and was one of the reasons I decided to get an EV (this is my first EV)? Btw my Zoe is currently back with the dealer to sort out a creaking tailgate and see if they can figure out why the preconditioning isn't working. Despite these 'teething' problems I am really enjoying the Zoe and honestly can't ever see me going back into an ICE car - it's just too much fun!
I asked Renault support and they said it doesnt work atm and they are working on a fix that should be here in 6-8 weeks 🤷
@@linux1123 Thanks for the update - these videos do look good but are often too sugar coated . Thanks for a genuinely useful comment (still love my Zoe but disappointed with Renault's quality control!).
Recent Euro NCAP safety/crash tests gave zero stars to this model there are some videos on You Tube about it think it only affects some variants .
"Start Engine stop"..... engine? Good to see the glovebox has been modified to fit more than glove in now. Still no centre arm rest though.
Honest answer. Has the dash update reduced the glare on the inside of the windscreen? The biggest issue seemed to be the windscreen rake (but the Clio which isn't as raked ha similar glare issues).
Does a petrol motorbike have an electric motor?!
Dashboard is now black, glare is reduced quite a bit. In very strong sunshine you do get some reflections, but not as bad as before and can be mitigated with polarized sunglasses
i disagree about the missing P (gear select). It is actually logical that there is no P - like in a manual gearbox you put it in N and engage the handbrake
hi there yr arms looked like it might be an uncompfortable ride was it or did it fit in ok thank you i might be looking for a renault soon cheers
Nice car, but I'm not convinced about the way the display is dropped in. It looks like it blocks the vents.
It doesn't. You get good airflow. More importantly, it doesn't obscure the drivers view at all.
Great little electric vehicle full of new technology.
Gas and diesel vehicles are so last century, old polluting technology.
Another nice review; as always ;-) , just wondered how is the regenarative braking in the new Zoe;is it better than the previous models; and can you do one pedal driving until full stop?
Yes it is, much more intense in B mode
Looks a great car. Do you guys still have your MG? I had a test drive in one yesterday morning and quite liked it on the test. Do you still like yours?
Yes and yes. Did you order one???
No not yet. The other half has to go and see it first.
Can you turn them constant bongs off tho??
The 20 plate one I test drove bonged and bonged. Will have to have a look again and see if them aids can be turned off.
Great review! Thanks!
I’m thinking of buying but when checking the car out I would not fit in the back I don’t think it’s big enough
The rear can be a tad cramped. Are you often a rear seat passenger, however?
Great review! Just one thing, can you please keep hold of the steering wheel when you're driving.
I wouldn't buy top of the range so interested in actual on the road cost of lower variants. Other things - is it quiet on the motorway (wind and road noise), is the driving position comfortable (e.g. fully adjustable steering wheel) and does it have active battery thermal management? The latter two would underline it's competitiveness compared with the Leaf.
You did not mention reversing camera or parking sensors. Still too expensive, although I expect Carwow would do a good deal.
It's perfect as a family car.
Excellent, pleased to hear it 👌🏻
Hi if you had to chance between peugeot e-208 or renault zoe witch one would u pick and why?
Good question. Guys?
e-208. for the 100kW charging
The Peugeot. Because I'm a boy and I used to own 1.9 205 GTi back in the day and it's not to dissimilar. Ask Kate and I'd expect the Zoe would be her choice for child friendly loading and space 👍🏻
@@Jamesandkate for me the versatility offered by the 22kw charging on AC is the differentiator. We have a model 3 now but had Lemon Tea Leaf's 22 kw zoe for a few weeks after we sold him my leaf. In those few short weeks in a 2015 zoe I came to realise that the "slow" chargers all over the place were actually pretty rapid when you charge at 22kw. It's a real advantage.
Winter pack a must , heated steering wheel , all seats , Bose don’t waste your money , flame red yes
Arm rests are available on the French part and accessories website and can be delivered to the UK
You just need to practice your French
They're available from UK dealers. I know Will Adams from DSG can get them
Does it have height adjustable front seats and reach/rake steering wheel adjustment? The brochure isn’t clear. Price seems odd. Has reasonable range but 50kw charging is too slow for long trips. So for me it’s a commuting/shopping car. And >£25k is too much for that. Our fully loaded Seat Ibiza was £17k. I believe that also has more interior and boot space than the Zoe.
There is reach and rake on the steering wheel but none of the seats are height adjustable (or base angle) as they are on top of the batteries - the down side to a design where they keep the weight in between the axles and do not sacrifice the boot.
dapprman Thanks for confirming!
Nice car, but would you have this or the Pug e208?
That's a close call. Probably the Pug tbh, based in looks and charging speeds.
@@Jamesandkate I'd be tempted by looks but I sat in one pre-lockdown and the interior is strikingly dark and cramped-feeling compared to the Zoe. It really put me off it.
Been test driving e208 yesterday, oh boy, that just brings back real hot hatch feelings when driving it. You can resist pushing accelerator, especially shooting off roundabouts, it's planted to the road. Having said that - I can't compare both, as didn't test drove Zoe 50 yet
Zoe is more refined, more elegant, calmer than e208. The infotainment software is nicer in Zoe, nicer steering wheel, overall better interior and longer range. But e208 has the racer feel and charging speed. What’s your driving style? Mine is chilled, so I went for the Zoe.
In terms of value , how do you rate it compared to the MG ZE ? I accept the MG has a lower range
I think new Zoe,s are over priced at the moment compared with the completion but there is lot low mileage Zoe,s on the market I bought a 2 year old s/h GT Line Zoe for £10,000 less than the new price with very low mileage from a main dealer the warranty still 3 years and 5 years on the battery warranty. For all the world feels like new really please. Compared to my Nissan leaf the Zoe feels like it's in a different league
I was looking to buy a new Kia Soul or a Hyundai E Kona although the Zoe is as not as good but the money I've saved is going to pay for solar on the roof along with a Telsa power wall.
So buying a low mileage Zoe makes perfect sense.
Great review once again, thank you :)
How does it compare to the mk2 Ioniq electric you tested, similar price, range etc?
Slightly better range, higher floor, faster overall charging. Close call tbh.
I like the old style handbreak in my ze40, once a while I use it when driving, to keep rear breaks clean, if breaks look rusty, the can not pass yearly inspection. Of course not easy to see the rust because ze40 has rear drum breaks.
Is there an app? Would be good to be able to set charge level and time slots from phone. Thanks
There is, but currently it's a bit poor
Charge level no, time slots yes. Why do you need to set charge level? Zoe doesn’t use the same battery technology as Tesla and it also has a buffer, so there is no worry about charging to 100% every time. My older Zoe was losing about 1% per year through degradation and it was heavily used.
Nice car but needs to come down at least another 10 grand , EV cars are just to expensive.
Very true from Hindustan.
When I bought my current 2019 Zoe I specced up an equivalent Clio to contrast. The Zoe comes with many, many specs that are optional extras on the Clio. Half a dozen options needed to be added to bring it to parity. And the Clio was only £30 cheaper a month, even taking into account the battery lease. Now take off road tax. Now factor in fuel savings: the Zoe SAVES me £60 a month, every month.
I'm picking up a ZE50 next week. It is £10 cheaper than my current one a month and the Motor is more powerful than all but the highest spec Clio.
And I've not even started with BIK tax being nil and no congestion charge.
Work it out. It's cheaper.
Not if you do your sums. If used for commuting for example monthly costs are around the same as an ICE car.
@captain pugwash oh, it's you: the anti-EV troll. We've had this conversation. You made no sense and no good arguements then and I'm not expecting any better this time.
I'm not imagining my numbers they came straight from Renault. The current Clio is embarrassingly slow compared to the 135 motor and no way as nice to drive. And at 230+ miles of range, I could go 4 hours of driving without stopping in my upcoming car.
So no: you're wrong. You have your preconceived bias and nothing will shake your embedded notions. One wonders why you bother posting on EV videos. Haven't you anything constructive to do?
@captain pugwash will you knock it off? The worst I've ever managed in my CURRENT Zoe was 120 miles in 0 degrees at 70mp in the rain. That was North Yorkshire Moors to Manchester AND BACK.
The trip we've already discussed (North Yorkshire Moors to Norfolk) was DECEMBER and raining which, as I've already, patiently, explained we did with a single stop for the same time as we always stopped, long before I had the Zoe.
If the new one can't make that journey with a 15 minute 50kw stop for coffee I would be astonished. With a light foot it could be done in a single charge.
I'm simply done talking to you. You don't listen, you're set to hate all EVs because you have an 8 YEAR OLD LEAF and you're bitter.
Kindly take your ridiculous notions elsewhere. The Grand Tour's and Daily Mail's comments section will give you all the echo chamber back slapping you want.
Meanwhile, in the real world the adults are talking.
Whats all that blue stuff in the panoramic roof ?
Laurence Cahir it’s not a panoramic roof, just looks that way due to the camera angle. The ‘blue’ is due to the very low camera angle on the glass.
Nice car, much improved but the price is ridiculous at the moment. They will have to come down to ICE car prices to drag me away from them at the moment. I can’t help thinking that the manufacturers are just milking those prepared to get onto the electric market early on
My current Zoe costs £60 less a month than an identically optioned Clio after tax and fuel savings. I did the maths before I bought it.
Now eliminate BIK tax if you're a business owner. Then take off congestion charge if you live in London.
Sticker price is only part of it and you're getting far more car than a Clio.
Electric is the future, no ifs and buts on that. price must come down .
You probably dont care but if you are bored like me atm then you can stream pretty much all of the latest movies and series on InstaFlixxer. Have been streaming with my gf for the last few weeks =)
@Donovan Avi yup, been using InstaFlixxer for since december myself :)
What's not to like. Good car
captain pugwash stop complaining
Will it do 300kms at 120kph.. or will it suffer to 250 at motorway speed ?
In good weather it will manage 300k, winter, drop it to 150k
@@Jamesandkate
Miljomuppen_i_norr on Instagram Luleå Sweden has an Zoe so follow
Zoe or Peugeot e-208?
Kate - Zoe James - e208
@@Jamesandkate I'm going with James - my e-208 GT being delivered on Thursday! Thanks guys :)
80Mph - has the national limit increased :-0
Can you put Kate in the boot? :)
Why do that? These videos are so good because of the two perspectives and discussion.
I have the armrest. Was £150 and fitted for free when I collected my cat
One of your followers at 4:32
Let me just get up from the floor I fell over.. 😂
you can get the ice engine on a Clio for £10000.00 less ! your going to have to keep your Zoe a long time before you get that back. I really want to get into ev transport but until they can sell them at an affordable price I'm out.
You can, but you can also get a cheaper model Zoe. Well worth accounting for tax, servicing and fuel costs and the cross over period suddenly isn't so far away. However, you're right, prices do need to fall 👍🏻
@@Jamesandkate with all due respect, at current prices it will take around 10 - 12 years to 'break even' compared to the ICE vehicle if you do 6000 miles a year! With most PCP deals being between 3 and 5 years long, you would need to be doing around 25 - 30 thousand miles a year to break even....
your video is now 2 years old and electricity costs has hit the roof so im unsure if an ev is any cheaper than ice?
still waaaay cheaper than ICE servicing costs are much cheaper for evs
great ev but why or why cant a manufactuer produce just a simple no hi tec electric vechicle, one that doesnt look like the starship enterprise every time. High specs are great but , given the cost of evs a very basic version would be a good idea
You'll need to look towards MG
@@Jamesandkate
i agree but there needs to be more competition, hopefully vw will go some way to launch a bigger choice
Are there air con vents for the rear passengers?
There aren't sadly
I am so tempted to trade my ZE40 in for one of these.
I did that ... sold my 18 month old ZE40 for more than I paid for it. I now have a ZE50 GT line on personal contract hire at £299/month for 24 months. At the end of that I will probably either buy one or go for a completely different EV. I’m expecting a lot of options in 24 months.
@@JonathanPriceUK I did in the end.. Picked it up today and couldn't be happier. It is a superior car in every way.
@@cjmillsnun congratulations ... we’re still enjoying ours too!
kate why not do an epidode showing your sister the car? letting her test it etc? maybe?
Rhys Morgan she fit Rhys?
@@BehonestBestitchedup what's that got to do with it?