Beyond the Hero: everything you need to know to awaken the wiser guides within [Intro 1]

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  • @primitivebasher9538
    @primitivebasher9538 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I recently stumbled across your channel and already find so much comfort and learning in every new video you release. You have a great way of covering each topic and holding the attention of a fellow neurodiverse 😁 Thank you!

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh, I’m so glad yo hear it. Thank you! 🤩

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I have been down *such* a rabbit hole with this particular topic. I’m not exaggerating when I say that archetypal character arcs owe me a good few nights of sleep, and more showers than I care to admit 😂

  • @namitawali5314
    @namitawali5314 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You have no idea how long I have been waiting for someone to do this with archetypes. I was a huge Jordan peterson/Jung fan for their work with archetypes but it always felt limited to certain patriarchal stereotypes. The way you have used the same language to open up this conversation for many like me. Looking forward to more videos on archetypal journeys. Hopefully you will come out with a book about this with your perspective. Love love LOVE this ❤❤

    • @abcxyz9852
      @abcxyz9852 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I feel like I can relate! The first few times I got to know about Jordan Peterson, his advice really spoke to me and helped me in that moment. I soon became aware of his general views on life and people, which causes him to knowingly or unknowingly spread misinformation and cause harm, exactly because his views are limited to the patriarchal perspective.

    • @kikijewell2967
      @kikijewell2967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you both for this perspective.

  • @LedgerAndLace
    @LedgerAndLace 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    LOVED this! I think one of the repercussions of lauding the hero archetype over others, is that it turns almost everything into a battle or war: the war on drugs, obesity, etc. A different perspective focuses on connection, community, nurturing, and cooperation. Not all problems demand brute force--but if you're only tool is a sword, there's a drive to make swift, cutting, decisive changes with the acceptance of "collateral damage." It leaves the most vulnerable of a society even more vulnerable.

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      YES!! This is such an excellent point. Everything becomes a battle, and in a battle there are always casualties.
      Despite my resistance, I actually loved exploring the Hero’s story arc (this will be covered in video 5 and 6), and largely because the real arc includes the beautiful turning point where the Hero downs tools and “levels up” to the connected, socially conscious Queen archetype.
      I also loved renaming the archetypes with non-binary names and exploring the importance of androgyny when it comes to Jungian theory. Huge rabbit hole here 😂

    • @LedgerAndLace
      @LedgerAndLace 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Betwixt_App Looking forward to this series!

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yay! I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

  • @gizmomagoo
    @gizmomagoo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This has been an amazing video. I plan to start from the beginning. Thank you. Downloaded the app and plan to donate soon. Thank you very much.

  • @SimplyWithLove1
    @SimplyWithLove1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    wow i’m sooo glad i found your channel amazing!

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, me too! Welcome! 🤩

  • @nichelleniks4526
    @nichelleniks4526 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Mary Poppins is speaking to me for some reason, perhaps because my youngest sister was in the musical for her school. But what stands out to me is her transient nature. She came, did what she needed to do, gave the townspeople the experience they needed to have in her presence, and left. I have a tendency to see broken connections as wastes of time, but maybe thats not always the case.

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yes!! I love this take! The Mage character often has this drifter feel to them - as if they’re so evolved that they’re of a different world. They basically just float around (literally, in Poppins’ case) imparting wisdom and touching people’s lives in transformative ways before moving on.
      This makes me think of a Liz Gilbert quote from Eat, Pray, Love:
      “People think a soul mate is your perfect fit, and that's what everyone wants. But a true soul mate is a mirror, the person who shows you everything that is holding you back, the person who brings you to your own attention so you can change your life.
      A true soul mate is probably the most important person you'll ever meet, because they tear down your walls and smack you awake. But to live with a soul mate forever? Nah. Too painful. Soul mates, they come into your life just to reveal another layer of yourself to you, and then leave.”

    • @martinconnolly7069
      @martinconnolly7069 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have to do something,so we will do it, Me, Myself and I

    • @kikijewell2967
      @kikijewell2967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you read _The Missing Piece Meets the Big O_ yet?

  • @scotthenry8516
    @scotthenry8516 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    An observation about the hero's journey (that's already been touched on) is the need for persecution from a villain. Whether it's the hero themselves, or someone protecting "the collective good", there needs to be an enemy in place to focus the conflict.
    I agree that the hero complex is rampant today, with social media being an avenue for documenting the drama. Sadly, it's a victim first approach, with victory as the only option. Wisdom and discernment doesn't really play into the conflict, and it does become an us vs. them approach.

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes, exactly. It’s an immature archetype. Again, perfectly healthy when in its place, but we have venerated it to a position far above its rightful place. And, we’ve frozen ourselves in that position as a result, hampering any more mature development, and all but deleting the important end of the story (where the hero *reintegrates* with the larger community).

  • @anselmcs595
    @anselmcs595 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am watching this series over again. I find it so helpful and inspiring.
    I am drawn to the "Queen" archetype, as explored in the story of Aragorn. He gives up a life of the lone wolf, so to speak, and picks up great responsibility and the burden of duty, not because he craves power, but because he understands it is the way to give himself to the ones he loves, at least for the time being.

  • @user-pm7ck6ij9s
    @user-pm7ck6ij9s 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video is so well done. I have often struggled with the suggestion of the hero's journey and now I know why! Can't wait to learn more.

  • @lifeinmono1820
    @lifeinmono1820 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I very much enjoy the way you approach the topic. It engages me and invites me to comment on your video. Which, as I understand TH-cam, helps you also to gain some reach.
    I see the progressive perspective, you are pushing, do not worry about it, you do you.
    What I would like to add, is - and correct me if I am wrong - that there is a difference between the Hero's Journey as compositional way of storytelling and the journey of the archetype Hero.
    I believe, what makes the structure of the Hero's Journey's so engaging, is, that it represents the structure of change in general. It does not make a distinction between where the starting point, the believed lie and the journey's end point is. It merely shows the points of transition.
    The content protagonist, that refuses change but is then called to action through something he wants to aquire or avoid. The failing due to the believed lie and the low point, the struggle, the realization of the lie and the character growth to eventually overcome whatever the story's evil is.
    This is the stylized change of character for humans of every point in life. Thus, most humans feel this transition to be true and accept it.
    There are so many lies we all believe in. The journey of life is to continously peel away layer after layer of lies and grow until we reach the center.

  • @awesomebearaudiobooks
    @awesomebearaudiobooks 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I guess that is why the game Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 (SWKOTOR 2) affected me so much more than Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 (SWKOTOR 1) and probably changed my perspecticve on many things in my early youth!
    SWKOTOR 1 is way-way more popular than SWKOTOR 2, and I think, it is probably because SWKOTOR 1 is a stereotypical "Hero" story, where the main character needs to fight a clear, black-and-white-type enemy, overcoming many diverse, but still quite stereotypical challenges... The main character (who can be of any gender, but is canonically a "he") used to be a war hero who became evil, but then got amnesia, lost all the powers, turned to the light side, killed many enemies, gained all the powers, killed the "Anti-Hero" and saved the Galaxy again. The story could be described in a short paragraph...
    SWKOTOR 2, on the other hand, is more multi-faceted, with the main character turning into a "Queen" after being exiled for years for actually being a "Hero" and, in the process of being a "Queen", transforms herself into a "King", but also having to experience the path of a "Crone", which gives her the potential to become a "Mage"... The main character (who can be of any gender, but is canonically a "she") used to be a war hero who was exiled by some pompous "Pseudo Mages", lost all the powers, killed many enemies but also inspired many of the allies for personal growth, gained all the powers, almost lost it all again, had to confront her past and also pass through the "Underworld", and then defeated another "Crone" who pretended to be a "Mage"... The story is just so multi-faceted and deep, I can't even descrbe it in a few paragraphs....
    The story of SWKOTOR 2 is just on a completely another level... I guess it could be one of the reasons why it is so loved by dedicated fans, and so forgotten by the mainstream media outlets.

  • @Gwen3344
    @Gwen3344 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for this! For years I have been fed up with the "hero's journey". It's practically to the point now where when I hear the word "hero", I cringe. I have been searching for new story paradigms. This video points the way, and helps me feel I can now move forward to assimilate the boatloads of information that, before now, I could not. The Universe has answered my "prayer"! New subscriber!

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Omg, me too!! I shudder to hear things like “become the hero in your own story”, which bets bandied around in the wellness community ad nauseum.
      I’ve been talking about the Author as a better archetypal alternative to Hero for a while (recent example here: th-cam.com/video/MlWNKZbwgi0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=giwFVfUsaQdq-apa) but I have *loved* learning about these alternative story arcs just lately. I’m looking forward to sharing the rest of the series!

    • @Gwen3344
      @Gwen3344 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Betwixt_App Thanks for the link. Watched the video. Great stuff! Really looking forward to your future video posts.

  • @KootFloris
    @KootFloris 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I liked Pearson's sets (she wrote two versions) of archetypes better. To name a few: orphan (seeking home), fool (playful being), creator (maker, designer), wizard (magician), Sage (wise one) and others.

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I’ve read Awakening the Heroes Within and loved it (I actually cut a section about those 12 from this vid!). But what these 6 archetypes have that Pearson’s more abstract ones don’t is a specific three-act story arc that allows them to level up into their next incarnation, which I found really interesting.

    • @KootFloris
      @KootFloris 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Betwixt_App Then read her book, where she only uses six archetypes. There she shows, if you don't mature in an archetype before you move on the the next, it's shadow will plague you for the rest of your life. Take the orphan mother, who is more busy feeling safe, than mothering her children. The the king who wants to do all fighting by himself, because he stays a knight. Think the wizard or sage, who rather than wise, stays ordering people and controlling them for power, or behaves like an orphan, ever seeking the one golden answer, or door to his parents. How sad. :)

  • @jonlittle5032
    @jonlittle5032 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Erikson's theories of development need to be as prominent in the mind of the writer as the Heroic trope popularized by Campbell and Lucas. Erikson's 8 (plus 1) stages are not only tailor made for teasing out narrative elements, particularly with the 'virtues' and psychosocial crises, but are an incredibly insightful understanding of the human mind.

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I absolutely agree. I was thrilled when I realised how all these theories corresponded so nearly.

  • @havinganicedave
    @havinganicedave 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This highlights the responsibility for story tellers in our society. I assume storys are the guidance of culture and we have been producing stories with damaging motivation in a huge scale for too long without thinking about the impact they have. That's of course very human and I love humans but it's time for a change.
    I'm subscribed, this is awesome content for my head. Thank you very much!

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I couldn’t agree more! We need to take full responsibility for the stories we tell. It’s a big thing to turn around (which is the understatement of the millennium… or three), but we can’t let that stop us.
      I’ll be posting videos #2 and #3 of this series on Tues and Thurs this week 🩶

    • @havinganicedave
      @havinganicedave 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Betwixt_App I am with you and I am aware of the responsibility. Which is a first step for change I guess.
      My bell & I are ready for your upcoming videos.

  • @alchemydragon
    @alchemydragon 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate the clear way you share

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! 🩶

  • @anselmcs595
    @anselmcs595 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If we, as a culture, are posessed by the hero's journey, being used to battling outer enemies, then, I guess, we are currently experiencing a reckoning with inner demons. I wonder, is there a awakening of responsible leadership underway, a rise of the queen? Think NGOs, civilian movements etc...
    Anyways, these Videos and Ideas I keep coming back to.
    BTW on a whole different topic: To me, the image appears stronger and more crisp in these videos where you are closer to the camera than the current ones. where you are sitting more to the back and the right of the frame:)

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anselmcs595 Oh, gosh, I really hope there’s a cultural return to integration on the cards! I’d say one of the main symptoms of Hero “possession” is the fact that stories seem to skip or dramatically condense the proper ending of the Hero’s arc.
      And yeah, I know re the image quality. My director tried a vintage lens for the current shoot, which makes things look a little unfocused. It’s too late to change now as I recorded 20+ vids that way, but we’ll switch back for the next lot 🤍

  • @elitsadermendzhiyska7771
    @elitsadermendzhiyska7771 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is amazing!

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, thank you! I totally agree. Fascinating 🩶

  • @MarcProfeMates
    @MarcProfeMates 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video, thanks for sharing! I picked up Neo, I will be thinking about that

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great choice! Neo definitely has some Hero elements, too, but the themes present in the world and the antagonists (Authority) make him much more of a Maiden, and a great example of that arc, too!
      I’ll be sharing the next video on Tues. looking forward to hearing your thoughts as the series unravels 🩶

    • @MarcProfeMates
      @MarcProfeMates 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Betwixt_App I understand that your view of Neo as a Maiden (because I do agree that it is more clear on the hero's journey) is in the metaphor of escaping the Matrix which, according to you, represents the Authority, but it could also be understood as the "comfort zone", where the authority in this particular case would be more... subtle. Also, I understand that this archetype process could be organic, but in Neo there is clearly a struggle where this authority does not want him to move (which is often the case in our own journey).

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MarcProfeMates Yes, absolutely. I definitely see all of that as the reason it fits Maiden better that Hero - Neo struggles to extricate himself from the limiting grasps of an Authority that wants to keep him small and dependent (that’s the key theme of the Maiden’s arc), and his reward is to discover his true self (individuating) and to access the Real World, which, again, is all consistent with the Maiden’s Journey. The Hero’s Journey resolves with reintegration and (some) self-sacrifice in the name of love, which is less of a feature for Neo than self-assertion and the shattering of illusions. But I do think Neo gets more Hero-y as he develops, which would be expected, of course.
      I have only seen The Matrix Reloaded once and I can’t remember what happens in that film but I’d love to see if he evolves future!

  • @creationfied
    @creationfied 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    is it possible to over-adjust and back down from any chance of embarking on any of these archetypes by being overly aware/cautious? i think i may be struggling with that more

    • @Betwixt_App
      @Betwixt_App  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, definitely! Each of these archetypes comes with two shadow versions, both of which reject the call to action (although in different ways).
      I find the shadow archetypes and their stories the most interesting when it comes to this stuff - they’re like universal traps that we all need to figure out how to get past in life.
      For each journey, I’ll be sharing two videos - one that focuses on the antagonists and one that focuses on the shadows. I really hope you find them helpful! 🩶

  • @rogersimmons8788
    @rogersimmons8788 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about a nymphomaniac who can cook? Do they exist? 😊

  • @boostr
    @boostr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m still picking hero.

  • @TheShepdawg9
    @TheShepdawg9 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you PLEASE do a video of the signs that you need to break up with someone. I'm a male, and the time I'm having with my GF is causing massive dissonance in my head. I love who she is, but I do whatever I can to take time away from her, and I'm not a fan of physical contact these days.
    I know these already aren't great signs but more info on this topic would be appreciated, especially when the partner hasn't done anything 'wrong'.

    • @lisazoria2709
      @lisazoria2709 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you're considering whether or not you should break up, you should probably break up. It's a sign you're not truly happy.

    • @lizawillow9336
      @lizawillow9336 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You don’t need a “reason” to break up with someone. Wanting to break up with someone is a reason in and of itself.
      I’ve felt conflicted and awful about every breakup of a major relationship that I initiated. AND I am so glad I ended every one. You can do this.

    • @kikijewell2967
      @kikijewell2967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds like you need to find yourself. ❤ If you are relying on your partner for your identity, you will feel empty.
      (The books _The Missing Piece_ and _The Missing Piece Meets the Big O_ might be eye opening for you. They look like kids books, but they definitely aren't.)

  • @unaa9380
    @unaa9380 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Overemphasis on the hero archetype in our culture is a breeding ground for the red pill/incel movement

  • @CL-ws6ki
    @CL-ws6ki 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really hope you touch upon the archetype of the child eating female in this series which is pushed by feminism. It is both misandrist, and self destructive. So much so that a simple google or ChatGPT stats comparing the homicides vs abortion numbers from any country will leave you astounded. I truly hope you will touch on what archetype this is- homers version of the Lamia. And that this series is not a Trojan horse