I am 62 next week. I spent the first 55 years of my life in this phase. The last eight years have been the most transformative, though the last three have moved more rapidly. Archetypes are KEY in my understanding and grappling with growth - the internal, obviously... I long ago gave up on the physical. I'm still five feet tall.😂
Hahaha! Fair 😂 And I love that you seen beyond the long struggle with this arc. So, so many people never get out of this phase (or they do, but only into the shadow versions of the archetypes that follow). Huge congrats, and I love that archetypes have played such an important part! 🩶
I'm 55 here, finally healing from some pernicious trauma (yay EMDR!) and on the cusp of a new start. Thank you for your example, that 55 doesn't have to be too late to start.
I am 32 and discovered late last year that I'm in charge of my life. There are things I cannot control at all, but I can always control what next step to take in any given situation. I'm at a place in my life where I have gone from being stuck in the same cycle to breaking free of it one choice at a time. It is empowering. I try to catch myself making excuses, or saying things because they sound true without really knowing what I am talking about - and course correct. I'm not afraid of being wrong. I'm open to letting someone change my mind because I am more interested in the truth than in being defensive and protecting my ego. I know I still have a lot to learn, and a long way to go, but I feel like I have taken the first step toward a free and fulfilling life.
I just broke down and cried. A huge weight has been lifted off me! Watching this video I realized that all my failures in life were actually just steps on my own way all along. I only saw them as failures because of internalized authority and it made me feel guilty, ashamed and anxious all my life. Thank you for helping me mature!
I'm 63 and I feel like I've been working on moving through this stage since adolescence! I feel like every step was more of a struggle for me (for many females I'm sure), since my parents were overprotective of me (moreso than my brother and sister) and my dad in particular didn't understand why a woman would leave her home before marriage. He wasn't awful about it - just didn't get it. And yet it feels like I overcame the struggle and then met it again - overcame it again - and I still keep meeting it and struggling to overcome it. I have trouble earning enough money and it makes it difficult to resist it when my ex offers to help. So I think the answer to your question is - I would need to embrace my worthiness and value in terms of earning money - but I might also need to be able to embrace the possibility of losing everything material (including home) - to have that courage - in order to finally move forward with this. I'm looking forward to watching the next video! And the Warrior videos as well so that I can see whether I've been in that stage at all and what it might look like when I finally move out of this stage.
I am so happy I found this series! Many, many thanks Hazel!! I was thinkingfeeling that the lie would be 'you cannot do it'. I guess I was somewhat right 😅
It's been so interesting to hear you "Spell this out" in this way. I am 70 and the way you have painted this journey with it's phases makes so much sense. I must admit I was fortunate t have experienced an era that was rather mind expanding to say the least, there was never a shortage of Gurus around to help you out. I never thought of my psyche as something that was built in stages but as i look back I must concede that any recipe has it's steps and it's order. Get the right ingredients, mix them using a recipe ad time and" wala" there you have it....Peace
I'm 32 and currently going through this phase. The only thing that I feel is holding me back from scoring a solid 10 is the idea that in order to survive in the world outside you have to make some compromises (with financial possibilities, with physical capabilities, with time available for my own growth etc.), which I tend to see as a form of submission to authority. Lately though I am realizing that the idea of compromise being an obstacle may very well be a manifestation of my inner Predator - my inner doubts, which I listen to when I sabotage my choices for fear of engaging in full conscious decision of following through, just because it doesn't come as easy as not having to make any compromise - or choice). Thank you for these videos, I just found this page and I am enchanted by this way of looking at life and inner growth.
You have no idea how long I have been waiting for someone to do this with archetypes. I was a huge Jordan peterson/Jung fan for their work with archetypes but it always felt limited to certain patriarchal stereotypes. The way you have used the same language to open up this conversation for many like me. Looking forward to more videos on archetypal journeys. Hopefully you will come out with a book about this with your perspective. Love love LOVE this ❤❤
Oh, thank you!! This is exactly how I feel about it all. I am very much enjoying throwing myself into the research, so I’m sure there’ll be plenty more like this to come! 🩶
Thank you so much for this, ive been asking this exact question for ages but i cant find ANYTHING online!! Never take this down! Edit- and talk more about archetypes, i would appreciate it so much. And i actually cant believe i found your channel its gold!
I had a few theories about the lie/truth watching the video and I was pretty much correct in what I guessed, when you revealed it I cried because I feel like I am finally in a space where living the truth is necessary and much less scary for me than living a lie. Thank you. ❤️
This aligns beautifully with a story released the same day as your video, ie Bridgerton Season 3. Like your talk on the Tenderfoot’s journey, they’ve only released the first half! Gonna link this over on a subreddit because I’d love to have that discussion
I'm glad the video specified that this is a modern, Western concept of life's journey, where the sovereignty of the individual is emphasized as the highest goal, which, when attained, entitles one to unlimited freedom and opportunity. There is very little value placed on dissolution of the ego, responsibility to and reciprocity with the other-than-human, and the ultimate journey of union with the divine
Those things are all in the later arcs, which I find fascinating. Rather than individuation and ego strengthening being the highest goal, this narrative suggests that those things are merely foundational, and comparatively immature, too. I think this is where we get things so very wrong in the movies and other modern storytelling - by focusing on the Hero’s Journey (the arc after this one) almost to the exclusion of all others, we deprive ourselves of much real adult growth, and end up societally frozen in a juvenile archetype.
@@Betwixt_App thank you for the response - you articulated my exact concern about where we are collectively in this journey in the modern, colonial West. I agree (and I have heard this echoed by indigenous scholars) that we are stuck at an adolescent stage of development as a society. I'm looking forward to checking out the next videos!
Very interesting content and concept! "What stops the empowering statement from feeling entirely true?" The fact that the government holds a monopoly on violence and therefore compels submission.
Incredible!!! Your videos are so well made. I’ve been working on this journey for a long time and I believe I’m finally there this year, nearing age 40. Looking forward to future videos!
37 and only in the last year or so have I really come to embody this truth. I wouldn’t have been able to enunciate this progression without your video. Thank you Hazel Edit: just downloaded your app!
0:38: actually, some CAN pick and choose. That is what enlightenment is all about. It is not likely that a 17 year old girl can be a seer… but doesn’t the story of Joan of Arc say it’s possible? Isn’t the sole requirement of that archetype the “ability to see” what others cannot? The little boy in the Emperor’s New Clothes fable shares the ability to see what others cannot. Interestingly, it’s often because people feel they must conform to society’s archetypes that they lose the ability to see. Elder folks often become able to see the world more clearly because they tire of living up (a or is it down?) to the expectations of society.
Oh, definitely! Any journey can be taken and retaken at any stage of life. But to fully live the arc, we need to have learned the lessons of the previous ones. So we would need to have lived those early too. In other words, it would be unusual, but definitely possible. In reality, I think we’re much more likely to live these arcs in micro (rather than macro) ways. And when we look at the mini versions of these paths walked in particular contexts or situations, we can feasibly be walking all of them at once in different ways.
Interesting. Feels like it would be easier to answer the question with already hearing the next part, describing what 'failure' looks like as it were This stage sounds a lot like unravelling the knots of protective negative belief/protective behaviour/ego/pride/shame that helped one survive childhood, but now block more fluid responsiveness as a grown person with more skills and awareness. But I found the question a little hazy around independence vs the positive aspects of learning to trust (safe) others that might be part of trauma healing, or avoidant attachment etc. I suppose that is more 'equal' relating - learning 'interdependence' rather than 'submission to authority'... maybe you see that as part of the next archetype? I think there was an international study about Maslow's needs that showed they don't have to be filled in order as people often say. You can make up some of your 'overall happiness rating' from other 'higher' levels if you have a gap in sense of safety or belonging for instance. I relate to that here, as I feel like the many of the later stages are more settled than this one - which I am still actively strengthening. Skipping this step could be cognitive or spiritual 'bypassing' of needs, or become another block. I guess in your terms, a substitute archetype can become a new internal authority if it stops growth. But also a resource in times of need. my comment is a bit gangly because I'm trying to relate this idea back to the embodied self - sense of safety in the body and autonomic nervous system which also forms a big part of our apparent personality. I'm also wondering if this series will echo Chakra concepts for wellbeing, over-stimulation and blocks to flow in that sense... I guess, when it comes to any system of stepped hierarchy of experience, I want to hear the exceptions! Because of how adaptable people are psychologically, even if it's not exactly full wellbeing that they are experiencing. Maintaining homeostasis and self awareness is many-stranded, and not many people reach peak human as far as I can tell... even if we are on a journey to find the Self
I agree with all of this, and in real life I actually don’t think we need to have strictly and fully completed earlier arcs in order to walk the later paths. I do reckon we need to have made *some* headway with the earlier learnings to truly integrate the later ones, but I reckon we could feasibly be on all paths at once, as well as finding ourselves taking and retaking them in a muddled order. Basically, no one can live the archetypal life so we can’t translate this stuff literally. But the wonderful thing is that that doesn’t stop the stories from resonating in the way that they do, or from being powerful tools for reflection and growth. I just love their simplicity, and how different people will take such different insights from them. Oh, and I hadn’t thought to compare this journey to Maslow’s needs. There are definitely parallels. There are more with Erikson’s stages of development, though, which is interesting.
wow! goosebumps watching this, thank you for sharing. I’m a little worried that I’ve probably been languishing in a shadow archetype the past couple years, my tenderfoot journey was most prominent during 2020-2022 but I can feel that I stumbled and have been struggling to get to that 10/10 you described.
OMG, so helpful. I now understand what I’ve been working on since leaving home. This brought a lot of clarity to my journey. Like, does an initiation occur if no one witnesses it? I feel like you just showed me how to witness myself 🥰🙏🏽
There are much better reasons to give your video a like, but if I’m being honest, I gave it a like because you just casually name-dropped the Nebuchadnezzar in a psych vid.
I am currently on the tender foot journey, and I find myself always looking for an authority figure. Not just in work but also with hobbies. But am starting to find the a way to become my own sovereign. But it feels selfish to do so So I will have to score the tender foot truth as a 5/10😢
These are amazing insights!! It’s so totally okay to be in that place, *especially* as you know the specific story/emotion (the sense of selfishness) that currently stands in your way. I really wish you all the best with this process of growth! 🤩
Perhaps thinking of the authority figures as consultants for a while could help with transitioning into more confidence in your own decisions and actions. You could see them more as equals who help inform your own judgements until you begin to trust yourself more; then you could rightfully hold your head high and deem yourself worthy of that title. It's scary sometimes (at least it was for me) to begin to step out as "an authority" with all the responsibilities unsaid in that term. Hang tough.💛
That's a good transition, taking the advice of people trust and seeing them as my equal. Instead of believing that they are my superiors just because they know something or have experience something I have not.
I'm a 54 year old American woman, and I've literally never heard the word/phrase, "tenderfoot", until today. I literally had to google it. I guess a learned something new today. 🤓
I'm sick at sixty five maybe it's my karma to have a anuerisism. My me Tor a teacher with a masters told me I could take over her classes.i only wish I had stayed with teaching.
Fascinating, both from a scholarly POV as well as a more personal one. I am writing a story that I am increasingly realizing is a Tenderfoot Arc (or Maiden or Virgin, depending on whose video I am watching). I have, as a MacGuffin, a knife, though I am not sure why. I am excited that you are putting out at least one or two videos a week. The Knife and The Tempest?! I am not sure I could wait longer than that.
Ooh, fantastic! I’ll post the next video on either Monday or Tuesday next week. (Also, it’s Naïf and Tempest, but I completely forgot to check whether the subtitles got that right!!!)
@@Betwixt_App Naif?! I didn't have subtitles on, so I couldn't say. Naif. That, is intriguing ... and makes a whole lot more sense. I can use that in my story, much more than some mystical reference to a knife, but now I'm gonna have to come up with my own rationalization for that knife.
@@Betwixt_App ooo ... that, has legs. I have a character, who could be in the Tempest Arc, and that is where the knife is already headed. Stealing it. So. The Naif AND The Tempest. This opens my story wide open. Brilliant!
Yep! For every positive-change archetype, there are two shadow archetypes - one passive and one aggressive. They both reject (or fail to integrate) the transformative truth, and therefore don’t make the healthy transition to the next arc.
35 and moving back to the city think im just on the cusp of tenderfoot and warrior but the warrior is growing...have to manage the rage but its on its way
Ah, the rage. I know it well! Have you read Maureen Murdock’s “The Heroine’s Journey”? I would definitely recommend it! And the next video in this series will touch on the rage topic, too.
Absolutely loving this series so far, and very excited to see how this archetypal journey develops. I went through the Betwixt app, which was a beautifully engaging process, and immediately started writing again after a long time feeling stuck, so thank you! A question: are these archetypes only individual waystations, or do you think they could apply to social groups, political-social movements, whole societies as well?
I’m so happy to hear Betwixt helped you to start writing again!! Huge congrats! And this is an excellent question. I’m sure these archetypes apply to groups as well as individuals. I’d have to think more about what kind of difference this would make to the manifestation of related behaviours, but we surely see cliques, corporations, cultures and nationalities assuming certain roles, so it’s a definite yes!
@@Betwixt_App Oh! You're right - it was my phone playing tricks on me. I went back and looked. It shows me the video in my feed twice in a row , once shown as 'viewed' and second as not viewed! Weird. It doesn't show up that way on the PC, now so all is well :D Thanks for the reply, looking forward to the next video about the tenderfoot! :D
I’m rather puzzled because I’ve always perceived myself (and been told) that I’ve always been a rebel. I had a reflexive reaction to oppose authority. I didn’t exactly race to leave home but I was never exactly a conformist. Now that I’ve left home I want to appear cleaner and more composed and more “socially acceptable” to a degree but I still prioritize personal expression and comfort over how I appear to others. And I push back against actual authority figures, though I try to do so more rationally than I did as a kid. Am I missing some aspects of myself that went through the classic tenderfoot’s journey?
Impossible to say, really! It certainly sounds like you don’t fit the passive shadow archetype of Naïf, but there may be some Tempest lingering (I’m not saying there definitely is, though!). Or you may have sailed through the arc… I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts after I post the next video 🤍
@@Betwixt_App I’ve studied psych for 15 years but have always been more immersed in the Person Centered (Rogers) and Social Learning Theory (Bandura) camps. I could never really grasp the use of archetypes a La Jung because it was so abstract. So if I comment every video it’ll be partially from self reflection and partially “confused front row student in freshman seminar” energy
I have a question about the realism of the archetypal journey. For example, is it necessary to actually have moved out of your parent’s house for the tenderfoot to transition to warrior? Because this isn’t realistic for me at the moment with rents and stuff being so high.
What stops the empowering statement from entirely being true ? Well that there are always people going to be better than you and smarter and more clever and you have to admit to it u have to accept it unless you choose to leave orr abandon that person orr situation, which is maybe possible in some situations but not all , so you have to accept it
My Teen Mom HATED me because she projected ALL her Trauma onto me. Then when I was 35 it was revealed that I was NOT the first child. My brother was adopted by one of the most well known and wealthy families. I met him. No reason to continue. Then fairly recently it was revealed my dad was NOT some midwestern Hick but the son of a powerful Chicago Gangster who died right before I was born. I was raised a Mutt when I have WOLF DNA....which gave me problems but I didn't know why. ?? I kept a muzzle on that Wolf for over 70 years. Now I'm living my Dream in Santa Fe being artsy. Man, if you were here I'd buy you a drink up at the Bell Tower Bar on the La Fonda roof and I would tell you some Crazy Stories. LOL
@@Betwixt_App My dad grew up across the street from the Roadhouse hidden in a cornfield, down a dirt road. He had other plans besides being a teen parent. I'm guessing he was booked there because he looked and sang like Sinatra and had custom suits made in Chicago at 15. And since my dad was small they expected him to be a jockey. The racehorses were kept in the far pasture. No one ever questioned the old Packard with bullet holes back there???? When my Grandfather died my dad inherited the HideOut where I grew up. 3 hours out of Chicago in the middle of a cornfield and down a dirt road. My dad's life flipped at 18 and he was NOT happy. I became the object of his irritation. Except he couldn't ignore that we were the same. If grandpa had not died I would have been the Sharon Stone Character in "Casino" and my Dad stared you down like Robert. LOL
Oh no!! I also have CFS, and it can’t murder your Warrior, I promise. We just have to learn to live by different rules than before (and, actually, the Warrior is really important for that as it’s the part of us that states and upholds our boundaries).
I am from the future, so... spoilers 😁. Further on in the future of this series we meet the Mage (Think Obi Wan, Hagrid, Gandalf). An archetype at the end of their journey who helps the tenderfoot, prodding them into action, beginning the journey anew in the Tenderfoot, completing the cycle . The Tenderfoot, however, is in danger of being lead off the "true journey" by misguided and failed mages. Just as each archetype can fail in its own way, the Mage can fail not only them self but fail the next generation as well. The Predator Mage feeds off the energy and potential of the tenderfoot (Get in the van, Harry, we're, umm, going to wizarding school. Or, I need you to work the farm instead of going off to the academy) bolstering their own power for their own uses. The Mage as authority is perhaps more subtle (it is safe to work for others instead of risking everything to own your own company and the self-determinism that brings. Or, Don't bring home a date your mother wouldn't approve of.) Without proper guidance one is in danger of rebelling against everything without focus or focusing their new-found sovereignty on destructive goals filled with hate and exclusionism. A proper Mage, that has navigated, more or less successfully, each of his own Archetypes is invaluable in setting off a new Journey in the Tenderfoot. "First learn stand, then learn fly" - Mr. Miyagi, Karate Kid
I haven’t seen it but I just looked up a synopsis (see below), and it certainly sounds like it has an Authority antagonist and strong Protected > Real World theming, so it’s very likely, yes!! Thanks for the suggestion!! I’d like to add more to my list 🩶 Synopsis: During a forbidden excursion to see the surface world, a goldfish princess encounters a human boy named Sosuke, who gives her the name Ponyo. Ponyo longs to become human, and as her friendship with Sosuke grows, she becomes more humanlike. Ponyo's father brings her back to their ocean kingdom, but so strong is Ponyo's wish to live on the surface that she breaks free, and in the process, spills a collection of magical elixirs that endanger Sosuke's village.
@@Betwixt_App Thank you. It's a retelling of the little mermaid if I remember correctly. Any time I can add to a list with a different work I know I've understood. So thanks
The graphic at 0:36 is not sex differentiated (the gendered archetypes in the bracket are telling you what the rest of the is based on). And “still Mage” means that the Mage is still called the Mage, because this was the only one of the six original archetypes that wasn’t gendered.
@@Betwixt_Appthanks for the speedy reply! There is a word missing in your reply which might help me. Is it, rest of the ‘literature’ is based on? I was about to edit, was it because the female side isn’t maiden/mother/crone. Anyway, I think I get it, so thanks.
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I am 62 next week. I spent the first 55 years of my life in this phase. The last eight years have been the most transformative, though the last three have moved more rapidly. Archetypes are KEY in my understanding and grappling with growth - the internal, obviously... I long ago gave up on the physical. I'm still five feet tall.😂
Hahaha! Fair 😂
And I love that you seen beyond the long struggle with this arc. So, so many people never get out of this phase (or they do, but only into the shadow versions of the archetypes that follow). Huge congrats, and I love that archetypes have played such an important part! 🩶
I'm 55 here, finally healing from some pernicious trauma (yay EMDR!) and on the cusp of a new start. Thank you for your example, that 55 doesn't have to be too late to start.
I am 32 and discovered late last year that I'm in charge of my life. There are things I cannot control at all, but I can always control what next step to take in any given situation. I'm at a place in my life where I have gone from being stuck in the same cycle to breaking free of it one choice at a time. It is empowering. I try to catch myself making excuses, or saying things because they sound true without really knowing what I am talking about - and course correct. I'm not afraid of being wrong. I'm open to letting someone change my mind because I am more interested in the truth than in being defensive and protecting my ego. I know I still have a lot to learn, and a long way to go, but I feel like I have taken the first step toward a free and fulfilling life.
Congratulations
This is so wonderful to read. Congratulations!
Beautiful words. I'm a few years younger than you, and it's really got me thinking!
I just broke down and cried.
A huge weight has been lifted off me!
Watching this video I realized that all my failures in life were actually just steps on my own way all along. I only saw them as failures because of internalized authority and it made me feel guilty, ashamed and anxious all my life. Thank you for helping me mature!
Oh, this is so wonderful! What a hugely important insight. Thank you so much for sharing!! 🩶
damn! I've unknowingly submitted myself to a lie. Thank you for helping bring me to this awareness. ❤
You’re so welcome! Really glad this resonated x
I'm 63 and I feel like I've been working on moving through this stage since adolescence! I feel like every step was more of a struggle for me (for many females I'm sure), since my parents were overprotective of me (moreso than my brother and sister) and my dad in particular didn't understand why a woman would leave her home before marriage. He wasn't awful about it - just didn't get it. And yet it feels like I overcame the struggle and then met it again - overcame it again - and I still keep meeting it and struggling to overcome it. I have trouble earning enough money and it makes it difficult to resist it when my ex offers to help. So I think the answer to your question is - I would need to embrace my worthiness and value in terms of earning money - but I might also need to be able to embrace the possibility of losing everything material (including home) - to have that courage - in order to finally move forward with this. I'm looking forward to watching the next video! And the Warrior videos as well so that I can see whether I've been in that stage at all and what it might look like when I finally move out of this stage.
I am so happy I found this series! Many, many thanks Hazel!! I was thinkingfeeling that the lie would be 'you cannot do it'. I guess I was somewhat right 😅
Yes, pretty much!!
And I’m so glad you’re enjoying the series! 🖤
It's been so interesting to hear you "Spell this out" in this way. I am 70 and the way you have painted this journey with it's phases makes so much sense. I must admit I was fortunate t have experienced an era that was rather mind expanding to say the least, there was never a shortage of Gurus around to help you out. I never thought of my psyche as something that was built in stages but as i look back I must concede that any recipe has it's steps and it's order. Get the right ingredients, mix them using a recipe ad time and" wala" there you have it....Peace
I'm 32 and currently going through this phase. The only thing that I feel is holding me back from scoring a solid 10 is the idea that in order to survive in the world outside you have to make some compromises (with financial possibilities, with physical capabilities, with time available for my own growth etc.), which I tend to see as a form of submission to authority. Lately though I am realizing that the idea of compromise being an obstacle may very well be a manifestation of my inner Predator - my inner doubts, which I listen to when I sabotage my choices for fear of engaging in full conscious decision of following through, just because it doesn't come as easy as not having to make any compromise - or choice). Thank you for these videos, I just found this page and I am enchanted by this way of looking at life and inner growth.
Oh, that’s an amazing insight and it rings true for me, too. I’m going to think some more about this. Thank you so much for sharing!
@@Betwixt_App thank you, I'm looking forward to the next videos! :)
Well presented, looking forward to the next one.
I really appreciate your fresh, gender-neutral take on these archetypes (very apt naming too)- looking forward to more videos on this topic! :)
So glad you’re enjoying it! 🩶
You have no idea how long I have been waiting for someone to do this with archetypes. I was a huge Jordan peterson/Jung fan for their work with archetypes but it always felt limited to certain patriarchal stereotypes. The way you have used the same language to open up this conversation for many like me. Looking forward to more videos on archetypal journeys. Hopefully you will come out with a book about this with your perspective. Love love LOVE this ❤❤
Oh, thank you!! This is exactly how I feel about it all. I am very much enjoying throwing myself into the research, so I’m sure there’ll be plenty more like this to come! 🩶
Thank you so much for this, ive been asking this exact question for ages but i cant find ANYTHING online!! Never take this down! Edit- and talk more about archetypes, i would appreciate it so much. And i actually cant believe i found your channel its gold!
Oh, I’m so, so glad!! I’m absolutely riveted by this subject so will definitely talk more about it! Really happy you’re enjoying it 🩶
I had a few theories about the lie/truth watching the video and I was pretty much correct in what I guessed, when you revealed it I cried because I feel like I am finally in a space where living the truth is necessary and much less scary for me than living a lie. Thank you. ❤️
Oh, that’s so wonderful! Huge congratulations! 🩶
@@Betwixt_App thank you!!
This aligns beautifully with a story released the same day as your video, ie Bridgerton Season 3. Like your talk on the Tenderfoot’s journey, they’ve only released the first half! Gonna link this over on a subreddit because I’d love to have that discussion
Oh, brilliant!! I have never seen an episode of Bridgerton, you know! I really ought to watch it.
I'm glad the video specified that this is a modern, Western concept of life's journey, where the sovereignty of the individual is emphasized as the highest goal, which, when attained, entitles one to unlimited freedom and opportunity. There is very little value placed on dissolution of the ego, responsibility to and reciprocity with the other-than-human, and the ultimate journey of union with the divine
Those things are all in the later arcs, which I find fascinating. Rather than individuation and ego strengthening being the highest goal, this narrative suggests that those things are merely foundational, and comparatively immature, too. I think this is where we get things so very wrong in the movies and other modern storytelling - by focusing on the Hero’s Journey (the arc after this one) almost to the exclusion of all others, we deprive ourselves of much real adult growth, and end up societally frozen in a juvenile archetype.
@@Betwixt_App thank you for the response - you articulated my exact concern about where we are collectively in this journey in the modern, colonial West. I agree (and I have heard this echoed by indigenous scholars) that we are stuck at an adolescent stage of development as a society. I'm looking forward to checking out the next videos!
Wow I need to go over this a few times I'm 54 and still transitioning to warrior thank you x
Very interesting content and concept!
"What stops the empowering statement from feeling entirely true?"
The fact that the government holds a monopoly on violence and therefore compels submission.
Ugh. Yes. I can’t argue with that.
Incredible!!! Your videos are so well made. I’ve been working on this journey for a long time and I believe I’m finally there this year, nearing age 40. Looking forward to future videos!
Oh, thanks so much! And I’m so glad to hear you feel like you completed this journey! 🩶🩶🩶
37 and only in the last year or so have I really come to embody this truth. I wouldn’t have been able to enunciate this progression without your video. Thank you Hazel
Edit: just downloaded your app!
You’re so welcome! And I’m really glad this makes sense (I found it hugely powerful to research, too!)
I hope you enjoy Betwixt!! 🖤
Thank you..... 45 and for a large part still stuck in this.
You’re most definitely not alone 🩶🩶🩶
WOW ! just WOW ! Behind those glasses there lurks a mind , lots of words but hell fire what a perspective x
Hahaha! Thank you! 🤓
0:38: actually, some CAN pick and choose. That is what enlightenment is all about. It is not likely that a 17 year old girl can be a seer… but doesn’t the story of Joan of Arc say it’s possible? Isn’t the sole requirement of that archetype the “ability to see” what others cannot? The little boy in the Emperor’s New Clothes fable shares the ability to see what others cannot. Interestingly, it’s often because people feel they must conform to society’s archetypes that they lose the ability to see. Elder folks often become able to see the world more clearly because they tire of living up (a or is it down?) to the expectations of society.
Oh, definitely! Any journey can be taken and retaken at any stage of life. But to fully live the arc, we need to have learned the lessons of the previous ones. So we would need to have lived those early too. In other words, it would be unusual, but definitely possible.
In reality, I think we’re much more likely to live these arcs in micro (rather than macro) ways. And when we look at the mini versions of these paths walked in particular contexts or situations, we can feasibly be walking all of them at once in different ways.
And I fully agree re elders inhabiting the wiser roles as a result of having grown out of the need to conform. Definitely! 🩶
Interesting. Feels like it would be easier to answer the question with already hearing the next part, describing what 'failure' looks like as it were
This stage sounds a lot like unravelling the knots of protective negative belief/protective behaviour/ego/pride/shame that helped one survive childhood, but now block more fluid responsiveness as a grown person with more skills and awareness.
But I found the question a little hazy around independence vs the positive aspects of learning to trust (safe) others that might be part of trauma healing, or avoidant attachment etc. I suppose that is more 'equal' relating - learning 'interdependence' rather than 'submission to authority'... maybe you see that as part of the next archetype?
I think there was an international study about Maslow's needs that showed they don't have to be filled in order as people often say. You can make up some of your 'overall happiness rating' from other 'higher' levels if you have a gap in sense of safety or belonging for instance. I relate to that here, as I feel like the many of the later stages are more settled than this one - which I am still actively strengthening. Skipping this step could be cognitive or spiritual 'bypassing' of needs, or become another block. I guess in your terms, a substitute archetype can become a new internal authority if it stops growth. But also a resource in times of need. my comment is a bit gangly because I'm trying to relate this idea back to the embodied self - sense of safety in the body and autonomic nervous system which also forms a big part of our apparent personality. I'm also wondering if this series will echo Chakra concepts for wellbeing, over-stimulation and blocks to flow in that sense...
I guess, when it comes to any system of stepped hierarchy of experience, I want to hear the exceptions! Because of how adaptable people are psychologically, even if it's not exactly full wellbeing that they are experiencing. Maintaining homeostasis and self awareness is many-stranded, and not many people reach peak human as far as I can tell... even if we are on a journey to find the Self
I agree with all of this, and in real life I actually don’t think we need to have strictly and fully completed earlier arcs in order to walk the later paths. I do reckon we need to have made *some* headway with the earlier learnings to truly integrate the later ones, but I reckon we could feasibly be on all paths at once, as well as finding ourselves taking and retaking them in a muddled order.
Basically, no one can live the archetypal life so we can’t translate this stuff literally. But the wonderful thing is that that doesn’t stop the stories from resonating in the way that they do, or from being powerful tools for reflection and growth. I just love their simplicity, and how different people will take such different insights from them.
Oh, and I hadn’t thought to compare this journey to Maslow’s needs. There are definitely parallels. There are more with Erikson’s stages of development, though, which is interesting.
I think of Frodo and Bilbo Baggins as great examples of the "Tenderfoot".
This was brilliant. Thank you for opening my eyes to new learning! ❤
You’re so welcome! 🩶
Thank you. You're amazing. I needed this.
Thank you!! 🥹
Highly informative and helpful. Thanks
Thank you!
wow! goosebumps watching this, thank you for sharing. I’m a little worried that I’ve probably been languishing in a shadow archetype the past couple years, my tenderfoot journey was most prominent during 2020-2022 but I can feel that I stumbled and have been struggling to get to that 10/10 you described.
Ooh, thank you!! What a brilliant reaction! 🩶
Very well done
Thanks for this amazing content. Absolutely fascinating. ❤❤❤
Thanks! And you’re super welcome 🩶
Can’t wait for the next part 😊❤
Yes I have. I feel like now I’m a warrior! 🎉
OMG, so helpful. I now understand what I’ve been working on since leaving home. This brought a lot of clarity to my journey. Like, does an initiation occur if no one witnesses it? I feel like you just showed me how to witness myself 🥰🙏🏽
I love this!!
There are much better reasons to give your video a like, but if I’m being honest, I gave it a like because you just casually name-dropped the Nebuchadnezzar in a psych vid.
😂😂😂 I ended up cutting so many of my pop culture references from these videos. There were faaaar too many Buffy mentions for a good start.
Fantastic video series.
Thank you!
Multiple experience expressing each phase with Tenderfoot being in the lead
I am currently on the tender foot journey, and I find myself always looking for an authority figure. Not just in work but also with hobbies. But am starting to find the a way to become my own sovereign. But it feels selfish to do so
So I will have to score the tender foot truth as a 5/10😢
These are amazing insights!! It’s so totally okay to be in that place, *especially* as you know the specific story/emotion (the sense of selfishness) that currently stands in your way. I really wish you all the best with this process of growth! 🤩
Thank u and I love the game you have created ❤️
@@Sophia-fw8cqWonderful!! Thank you!
Perhaps thinking of the authority figures as consultants for a while could help with transitioning into more confidence in your own decisions and actions. You could see them more as equals who help inform your own judgements until you begin to trust yourself more; then you could rightfully hold your head high and deem yourself worthy of that title. It's scary sometimes (at least it was for me) to begin to step out as "an authority" with all the responsibilities unsaid in that term. Hang tough.💛
That's a good transition, taking the advice of people trust and seeing them as my equal. Instead of believing that they are my superiors just because they know something or have experience something I have not.
Excellent content thank you.
Thank you!
I'm a 54 year old American woman, and I've literally never heard the word/phrase, "tenderfoot", until today. I literally had to google it. I guess a learned something new today. 🤓
I hadn’t heard of it before I started searching for gender-neutral alternatives for these archetype names. I loved it immediately 🩶
I'm sick at sixty five maybe it's my karma to have a anuerisism. My me Tor a teacher with a masters told me I could take over her classes.i only wish I had stayed with teaching.
Fascinating, both from a scholarly POV as well as a more personal one. I am writing a story that I am increasingly realizing is a Tenderfoot Arc (or Maiden or Virgin, depending on whose video I am watching). I have, as a MacGuffin, a knife, though I am not sure why. I am excited that you are putting out at least one or two videos a week. The Knife and The Tempest?! I am not sure I could wait longer than that.
Ooh, fantastic! I’ll post the next video on either Monday or Tuesday next week.
(Also, it’s Naïf and Tempest, but I completely forgot to check whether the subtitles got that right!!!)
@@Betwixt_App Naif?! I didn't have subtitles on, so I couldn't say. Naif. That, is intriguing ... and makes a whole lot more sense. I can use that in my story, much more than some mystical reference to a knife, but now I'm gonna have to come up with my own rationalization for that knife.
I think the knife would likely be wielded by the Tempest (it would be a great metaphor for their anger)
@@Betwixt_App ooo ... that, has legs. I have a character, who could be in the Tempest Arc, and that is where the knife is already headed. Stealing it. So. The Naif AND The Tempest. This opens my story wide open. Brilliant!
Yep! For every positive-change archetype, there are two shadow archetypes - one passive and one aggressive. They both reject (or fail to integrate) the transformative truth, and therefore don’t make the healthy transition to the next arc.
35 and moving back to the city think im just on the cusp of tenderfoot and warrior but the warrior is growing...have to manage the rage but its on its way
Ah, the rage. I know it well! Have you read Maureen Murdock’s “The Heroine’s Journey”? I would definitely recommend it! And the next video in this series will touch on the rage topic, too.
@@Betwixt_App thank you for the reco and im excited to see this series!
Absolutely loving this series so far, and very excited to see how this archetypal journey develops. I went through the Betwixt app, which was a beautifully engaging process, and immediately started writing again after a long time feeling stuck, so thank you! A question: are these archetypes only individual waystations, or do you think they could apply to social groups, political-social movements, whole societies as well?
I’m so happy to hear Betwixt helped you to start writing again!! Huge congrats!
And this is an excellent question. I’m sure these archetypes apply to groups as well as individuals. I’d have to think more about what kind of difference this would make to the manifestation of related behaviours, but we surely see cliques, corporations, cultures and nationalities assuming certain roles, so it’s a definite yes!
I like your video very much. It would be perfect if the volume could be higher.
Oh no! Is the volume lower than other videos?? I’ll feed this back to our editor.
@@Betwixt_App I found out that it was the problem of my side! I appreciate your attention!
I was really looking forward to the next video in the series! Did you mean to post this one a second time?
I don’t believe I’ve posted this one twice? The next vid will be coming out on Monday or Tuesday this coming week :-)
@@Betwixt_App Oh! You're right - it was my phone playing tricks on me. I went back and looked. It shows me the video in my feed twice in a row , once shown as 'viewed' and second as not viewed! Weird. It doesn't show up that way on the PC, now so all is well :D
Thanks for the reply, looking forward to the next video about the tenderfoot! :D
Ah, I see! Glad we got to the bottom of it!
In awe ❤
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I’m rather puzzled because I’ve always perceived myself (and been told) that I’ve always been a rebel. I had a reflexive reaction to oppose authority. I didn’t exactly race to leave home but I was never exactly a conformist. Now that I’ve left home I want to appear cleaner and more composed and more “socially acceptable” to a degree but I still prioritize personal expression and comfort over how I appear to others. And I push back against actual authority figures, though I try to do so more rationally than I did as a kid. Am I missing some aspects of myself that went through the classic tenderfoot’s journey?
Impossible to say, really! It certainly sounds like you don’t fit the passive shadow archetype of Naïf, but there may be some Tempest lingering (I’m not saying there definitely is, though!). Or you may have sailed through the arc… I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts after I post the next video 🤍
@@Betwixt_App I’ve studied psych for 15 years but have always been more immersed in the Person Centered (Rogers) and Social Learning Theory (Bandura) camps. I could never really grasp the use of archetypes a La Jung because it was so abstract. So if I comment every video it’ll be partially from self reflection and partially “confused front row student in freshman seminar” energy
I have a question about the realism of the archetypal journey. For example, is it necessary to actually have moved out of your parent’s house for the tenderfoot to transition to warrior? Because this isn’t realistic for me at the moment with rents and stuff being so high.
Oh, definitely not! Everything mentioned in these stories is allegorical/metaphorical. Nothing in the arcs needs to have literally happened.
What stops the empowering statement from entirely being true ?
Well that there are always people going to be better than you and smarter and more clever and you have to admit to it u have to accept it unless you choose to leave orr abandon that person orr situation, which is maybe possible in some situations but not all , so you have to accept it
What if you've been trying for decades to get out of this phase, but keep failing because you lack the intelligence to do it properly?
My Teen Mom HATED me because she projected ALL her Trauma onto me. Then when I was 35 it was revealed that I was NOT the first child. My brother was adopted by one of the most well known and wealthy families. I met him. No reason to continue.
Then fairly recently it was revealed my dad was NOT some midwestern Hick but the son of a powerful Chicago Gangster who died right before I was born. I was raised a Mutt when I have WOLF DNA....which gave me problems but I didn't know why. ?? I kept a muzzle on that Wolf for over 70 years. Now I'm living my Dream in Santa Fe being artsy.
Man, if you were here I'd buy you a drink up at the Bell Tower Bar on the La Fonda roof and I would tell you some Crazy Stories. LOL
Wow! What a story!! I’m so glad it has a happy ending!
@@Betwixt_App Thank You. :) I've very happy because I'm living an authentic life now.
@@Betwixt_App My dad grew up across the street from the Roadhouse hidden in a cornfield, down a dirt road. He had other plans besides being a teen parent. I'm guessing he was booked there because he looked and sang like Sinatra and had custom suits made in Chicago at 15. And since my dad was small they expected him to be a jockey. The racehorses were kept in the far pasture. No one ever questioned the old Packard with bullet holes back there????
When my Grandfather died my dad inherited the HideOut where I grew up. 3 hours out of Chicago in the middle of a cornfield and down a dirt road. My dad's life flipped at 18 and he was NOT happy. I became the object of his irritation. Except he couldn't ignore that we were the same. If grandpa had not died I would have been the Sharon Stone Character in "Casino" and my Dad stared you down like Robert. LOL
My warrior was murdered by chronic illness (me/cfs). 😿
Oh no!! I also have CFS, and it can’t murder your Warrior, I promise. We just have to learn to live by different rules than before (and, actually, the Warrior is really important for that as it’s the part of us that states and upholds our boundaries).
I am from the future, so... spoilers 😁. Further on in the future of this series we meet the Mage (Think Obi Wan, Hagrid, Gandalf). An archetype at the end of their journey who helps the tenderfoot, prodding them into action, beginning the journey anew in the Tenderfoot, completing the cycle . The Tenderfoot, however, is in danger of being lead off the "true journey" by misguided and failed mages. Just as each archetype can fail in its own way, the Mage can fail not only them self but fail the next generation as well. The Predator Mage feeds off the energy and potential of the tenderfoot (Get in the van, Harry, we're, umm, going to wizarding school. Or, I need you to work the farm instead of going off to the academy) bolstering their own power for their own uses. The Mage as authority is perhaps more subtle (it is safe to work for others instead of risking everything to own your own company and the self-determinism that brings. Or, Don't bring home a date your mother wouldn't approve of.) Without proper guidance one is in danger of rebelling against everything without focus or focusing their new-found sovereignty on destructive goals filled with hate and exclusionism. A proper Mage, that has navigated, more or less successfully, each of his own Archetypes is invaluable in setting off a new Journey in the Tenderfoot.
"First learn stand, then learn fly" - Mr. Miyagi, Karate Kid
Would the Ghibli film Ponyo also be a Tenderfoot story?
I haven’t seen it but I just looked up a synopsis (see below), and it certainly sounds like it has an Authority antagonist and strong Protected > Real World theming, so it’s very likely, yes!! Thanks for the suggestion!! I’d like to add more to my list 🩶
Synopsis:
During a forbidden excursion to see the surface world, a goldfish princess encounters a human boy named Sosuke, who gives her the name Ponyo. Ponyo longs to become human, and as her friendship with Sosuke grows, she becomes more humanlike. Ponyo's father brings her back to their ocean kingdom, but so strong is Ponyo's wish to live on the surface that she breaks free, and in the process, spills a collection of magical elixirs that endanger Sosuke's village.
@@Betwixt_App Thank you. It's a retelling of the little mermaid if I remember correctly. Any time I can add to a list with a different work I know I've understood. So thanks
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0:36 why do you say your gender neutral when the graphic at this point is clearly sex differentiated? Also, what does “still mage” mean?
The graphic at 0:36 is not sex differentiated (the gendered archetypes in the bracket are telling you what the rest of the is based on). And “still Mage” means that the Mage is still called the Mage, because this was the only one of the six original archetypes that wasn’t gendered.
@@Betwixt_Appthanks for the speedy reply! There is a word missing in your reply which might help me. Is it, rest of the ‘literature’ is based on? I was about to edit, was it because the female side isn’t maiden/mother/crone. Anyway, I think I get it, so thanks.
Ah, no, I meant the rest of the graphic. And yes, the Maiden sometimes goes by the name of Virgin, and the Queen arc is the same as the Mother arc :-)