2 Ship Tactics | Real Top Gun Tactics | F-4 Phantom II | THE LOOSE DEUCE | Digital Combat Simulator
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Thank you guys for watching and if you have any ideas for future videos please put them in the comment section below and they might just end up in the pipeline, thanks again, much Love.
Learning is FUNdamental. Thanks for the schooling, GS.
DCS is addictive to watch, I can only imagine the Joy of actually being hands-on involved piloting an actual aircraft with real G and fear.
NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs SU-57, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs NGAD, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
Growling, it was great to be your wingman for this, even if I was only voicing the AI Wingman.
~”Flash”
heeeey, great job on voicing that wingman man, but get that bandit off me a little faster next time please.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Haha, will do!
Sounds like Jester was taking a loose deuce around 13:00
is it only in the mig killer campaign or also normally
Sounds like Jester’s having a baby during that knife edge turn.😂
Or he's taking a deuce
@@miranda.cooper that's a tight deuce
Or he's teaching No. 2 who he works for.
Thanks for uploading in 4k, great being able to see planes that are far away
"BANDITS! 200 MILES! 12 O'CLOCK"
I'm on a 55" 4K screen and they are still so tiny. Sometimes there's a spec of dust on the screen and it scares the bejesus out of me thinking it's a bandit 😆
@@sogerc1 fr, those dust bandits keep us on edge
"Mama said i'm special"
That cracked me up😂
Great video as always.
Thanks, you solved a mystery from way back when .. I was a king-air copilot to a rather eccentric ex F4 guy. Of course I asked him about flying the F4 in combat, and he mentioned "the egg", when pushed he just said energy management and waltzed off in his sandals through the baseball bat wielding thugs of war torn Belfast without a care in the world (and I retreated to the hotel).
Finally I know what he was trying to communicate 40 years ago 🤣🤣
lmao sounds like he was basking in his moment to be cool 😂
I had to make sure I was watching a GS video because I’ve never seen him stick to his wingman 😂
Jester always said you never leave your wingman.
@@bimmerbomber2002 It's not your flying, Maverick... It's your attitude.
“Top gun 1-1 Knock it off”
Yeah the comms are sick
This is sick! With the explenations, communication between the pilots and the audible strain when pulling gs. More of this please 🙏🏻
Excellent! Might want check on Jester. He was having a really hard time with the G's
I'm positive Jester gave birth to an oak log back there.
He took the egg literal.
Man, that was such an awesome video. Good teaching dude, and really good idea for that vid.
Thanks for watching brother, much love.
Very cool. The Rhino loves vertical displacement. And glad to see some teamwork in the loose deuce. So much of the time DCS furballs end up as a bunch of 1v1’s.
The F-4 is my favorite plane
Long time viewer, first time commentator: This video was one of the best you did. Old school Top Gun vibes (navy jets fighting a F-5 in the desert along awesome comms) paired with education, high rate of realism and some nicely hidden jokes ("Standard sparrow"). Thank you for this!
Really only this good because its from a Campaign by Reflected Simulations thats coming out soon called Top Gun: Mig Killers for the F4 on the Nevada Map, will follow actual topgun procedures as "advertised" in this video, would recommend checking it out when it releases if you found this interesting! Reflected is a great mission maker
@@7eqzz867 Totally forgot my kudos to Reflected Simulations, thank you for mentioning his big effort and great work which is the foundation of this video!
loved the tac view
WHOA!! this mission set is an amazing production!! GS thanks for bringing this to the attention of the community! ReflectedSimulations well done!!!
That "Mama said I'm special" in speed marker handwriting on the wind screen had me in stitches. Would've like to see that tac-view on the last one so better see what you meant by "this guy is a little too defensive". Did he make the circles too tight or too loose?
This is some real Top Gun stuff
Basics for a Wingman.
Teamwork is the best way to learn.
Would be interesting to see the F-8 guys doing that. Before TOG GUN they were the best trained fighter pilots over Vietnam and also advised Air Force pilots.
I just finished the book On Yankee Station and the author talked about the F-8 community. Was a really good book on some of the tactics used by the Navy during Vietnam.
F-8 community spent much more time doing visual combat due to the relatively poor capability of their radar & their weapons loadout (4xF2 + gun), whereas the F-4 community spent more time doing BVR intercept training. Rules of engagement in Vietnam often denied BVR declaration of bogies (unidentified aircraft) as hostile, which forced F-4 crews into visual engagements for which they were not (before TOPGUN) properly trained. Poor reliability of the AIM-7 Sparrow in particular, exacerbated the issue. Dan Perderson was the first skipper of TOP GUN & his book by the same name will give you lots of detail about the relative capabilities of the USN at the time & how they learned to employ the F-4 & its weapons systems more appropriately.
Nice looking trainer. Love seeing Tacview back in learning/training situations!
Very cool video, GS. Bracketing is a great tactic. Used it all the time in WWII sims with my buddy, 715B. A solid wing with the propensity for telepathic communication, as it were. We'd call it a bracket on engagement or 'drag 'n bag' when opportunity provided. Engaged did enough to refuse the mark a solution, but keep them predictable. Aside from a low 6 hi speed bounce, bracketing was quite the rush to pull off.
15:56 they got the audio when pulling g's from me on the toilet
It’s also worth highlighting that the free fighter is also responsible for collision avoidance on the engaged fighter. This can become tricky when a change of status is required from, for example, engaged status to free as you have to be able to SEE the free fighter to be able to take collision avoidance. If you can’t, this change of contract cannot happen. You can call “continue” which allows an attack to progress in the hope you’ll become VISUAL but the attacking free fighter must continue their responsibility of collision avoidance. Similarly if as the free fighter, you call “engaging” but get no reply, the contract hasn’t changed.
Loved this one!
Seeing the tactics and the analysis of the aftermath was very educational.
Thank you!
That was a great video. Reflected really did a great job putting this stuff together. Great flying from you, too.
Damn I love this! Months later you keep me sucked into the "what's next", I live and breathe this . . . Thank you so much
It's like a more complicated/elaborate version of the wagon wheel.
The wagon wheel will be in mission 8 ;)
GS, never misses when it comes to A DCS video, You're the best DCS youtuber growling keep up the good work..
I’ve been watching you for quite some time and I have to say this is one the coolest videos you’ve done, man, good work and thank you!
The mission based videos are the best.
LOVED this! Welcome to fighter weapons school! Very cool! I’m 😊
I am greatly looking forward to this campaign, this will help me learn some very important skills
This is basically what they show on the Military Heroes channel. They show you the flight paths of how pilots maneuvered for the kill on the enemy fighter. Its a good show. Highly recommend it for anyone who loves the F-4 Phantoms. Look up Colonel Robin Olds, who has a Mig killing reputation
Love your videos!
That commentary at the start gave me an idea for a future video - 1v1 dogfights where you use departures to force overshoots? Always have been interested in that tactic as a last resort from comments from Vietnam pilots
Love the two ship tactics. I'd love to see you fly some of these with LS.
What a great experience to learn this tactic. Now, i can fix my air combat tactic in a F-4 Phantom II.
Top gun is awesome... I'm gonna keep that "clear as mud? good, let's go!" 😅
Aww yes, a flight school video WITH tacview. I love it.
I hope we'll get to see the entire campaign on here?
Thank you very much for bringing back TACVIEW.
I really appreciate you providing the tac-view for us
TAC VIEW!!!! ❤❤❤
We need more 2-ship/4-ship tactics here
A very interesting tactic indeed.
Awesome video GS 💯🔥
I've been waitin all day for this. Fascinating. Loose Duce. Thanks for putting in the work to make the info/experience available. I wish there was a f4 / f16 shirt...but I'm a get the mur hornet and f22. Nice. Hold tight GrowlingSidewinder...we thank you.
Day 1 of politely asking for F-4 phantom vs harrier (I used to have G.I joe mini jets and matched these two together all the time) love ya GS
Also that fox 2 call out (jinx) at 6:20 was legendary
He already did you too late! Haha
Dang, it's crazy that the USN trains with live fire and loses an F-5 at best, or an F-4 at worst.
My favorite video of yours in a while. :)
I’d love to see you doing Reflected’s F-14 Speed and Angels campaign! These campaign videos are awesome
Really great instructional vid my dude, nicely done 😊
please do more of these videos covering tactics!
Dude, thank you for countless hours of fun!
We passed 20 mins again! Thank you GS sir!
well done, I have used this approach and the lead turn
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 70
Thanks for this kind of introduction! Is it possible to get an introduction how to learn to refuel in the air? Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹
Pls do Eurofighter against the new US Missile
Not a single AIM-7 tracks in this video, yeah that tracks (wait a minute)
I’m currently doing the loose deuce maneuver.
TacView for the win! Cool mission!
Very cool tactics training
Beautiful, "Thach weave" on steroids ❤
I thought that pilots use the hick procedure instead of grunting. What do you think?
I'm guessing this was before that was introduced. The F4 was at the forefront of jet combat after all.
I have been waiting for 2 ship fights, where you actually fight together for a long time. Finally they are here. Maybe do 2 ship fights with another player.
Very timely video for my wingman and I
Tacview's back, awesome!
great lesson I really enjoyed that ...
No doubt we’ve all found ourselves in a “loose deuce” situation at some point in our lives. Some more tragic than others.
Hit ya with the top gun tactics!
This training campaign stems from the book SCREAM OF EAGLES. I confirmed with the campaign's creator. GS, did you get around to reading SCREAM OF EAGLES?
Offensive tactics against enemy fighters U.S. airforce 1943, on TH-cam a must watch!
Awesome video! When the mod comes out: F-14s vs A-4!
Mama is right!! ;)
Seems like a variation or evolution of the Thatch Weave
Awesome Content GS!
Love the F4
NAWDC training with an E phantom? Bit cringe for Eagle Dynamics standards. Why isnt there more variation. Where is legit early block naval phantom yet?
Nice grunting effects.
Still waiting for GS to drop his version of the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”
Yeah!!! never leave your wingman!!
Still waiting for the 2v1 F16-F22 video
TAC view!! Yes!
Looks like fun!
Clear as mud Aye, sir!
The top gun program just needs to watch every GS video and they're good to go.
You are special G.S.!
Tac view is awesome. Please keep it in your vids.
Tac-view! Lets go!❤
Growling Sidewiner could you try do some RIAT stunts? or get like a group of people and do a red arrows formation challenge
Missed the tac view breakdown!
This reminds me a little bit of the Thach Weave.
Yes, that was one of the basis of the LD tactics.
MOAR!!
Yes mama did say you were special. Now use the force Luke, use the force.
Very cool. Is this the Vietnam era version of the “Thatch Weave”?
Not really......The "Thach Weave" was officially designated by the Navy the "Beam Defense maneuver" and was strictly a gun defense designed to protect against being bounced by more maneuverable Japanese fighters from behind. it required a two plane element to hold a fairly rigid formation abeam each other, laterally displaced by a turn diameter. When bounced from behind, the two planes would turn directly into each other, with the free fighter shooting the enemy in the face at the cross. If he missed, they would simply reverse in the opposite direction, and drag the enemy around for another shot (hence the weave) With the advent of guided missiles, the Thach weave became less relevant and more flexible tactics and formations were needed. Formations and tactics led the Navy to develop the "Loose Deuce" which has been so successful for Navy pilots to this day. The full version of Robert Shaw's seminal tome on air combat (Fighter combat: Tactics and Maneuvering) can be freely downloaded in PDF at
falcon.blu3wolf.com/Docs/Fighter%20Combat-Tactics%20and%20Maneuvering.pdf
Awesome video!
Yeaaah finaly❤
Did they use real missiles with a disabled or nonexistent warhead in Top Gun school?
no they just simulated the kill, no missile launch. There are also training aim9s that can "simulate" a track and a "launch" and for gun kills they would just call a stable 3 second track a kill or something like that.
Back in 69 they just called the shots, then called the kills. When reviewing the tapes it proved to be not a valid kill, that was frowned upon, so you were careful to call your kills only when you were 100% certain. Of course in DCS it's impossible to evaluate if a shot would have been a kill without launching a missile. So the calls are in place in the campaign, but the missiles won't have any effect. The killed fighter or bandit disengages and egresses.
Woo TacView! 😊
Bring back the original tacview song! 😁🍻
I would love to see some 2v2 pvp gunfights