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Why do we care about this now? It seems a little late to worry about this now. Bullshit, it happened all the time, especially the Germans. Sorry for your luck.
How is it news if it’s from ww2? We’ll get a newsletter that says Breaking News! The German Sixth Army was surrounded & General Paulus just capitulated and the Stalingrad pocket has been liquidated in the Soviet counter offensive. Maria is live in the heart of the city where German prisoners were recently marched off into captivity. Maria, what’s it look like at ground zero of this groundbreaking development? Well Chip as you can see there’s kids swinging on a playground behind me and I asked them what they thought about their city being liberated and they all seem to be in a state of disbelief because not one could give me their thoughts on the situation. I mean for such fierce fighting Chip about 80 years ago the city seems to be adjusting to life with the German withdrawal. We’ll see what happens...Oh wait Maria sorry to cut you off but it seems that the allies have landed on the beaches of Normandy literally just 78 years ago. We’re gonna keep y’all posted with news and developments as we get them here in the studio....Oh wait! More breaking news out of Berlin, the red army are storming the German reichstag as of April the 5th 1945! Boy this is major news stories arriving out of Europe!
I have a story I feel I have to share . My dad was a WW2 vet. he was in the 1st armored Division he was in North Africa and Italy . His tank was hit when he was in Italy and it caught fire A lieutenant by the name of Green bailed out the top and gave no help to his crew , my dad did his best to help the crew get out the trap door in the bottom of the tank I think the co driver died in the tank and not sure who all survived . My dad came out the drivers hatch and when he was coming out he he shot some Germans off the roof of a farm house , during the exchange of fire my father was shot and and ran into some olive vineyards and was later picked up by some of the Germans that he was just shooting at . Some of the young Germans wanted to kill my dad because he had killed some of their friends , the older sergeant was in charge and would not let that happen instead he patched him up and gave him some food and wine , after some time he sent the young guys off ans spoke in English to my dad . He asked my dad where are you from , my dad said PA. the sergeant said what part of PA. are you from my dad said Scranton the sergeant said really , what part of Scranton my dad said North Scranton the sergeant then started to name a few local bars and asked my dad if he had ever drank in them my dad said yes I have how the hell do you know them? The sergeant said I am from Bethlehem PA and worked in the steel mills and I was visiting family when the war broke out and was unable to leave and go back to the USA. and was forced to fight . He stayed with my dad and took care of him as long as he could . I had to share this and say even in war some good people show up and do good thing. I hope I was not to long winded . And even during war it is a small and good world.
Fred,that was a superb story.I wonder what ever happened to the leutientant that ran off?Your father was a good man,that's why the spirit of CHRIST saved him.No doubt about that!!!
Did you dad and the German ever reconnect after the war? Stories like this one are really compelling. My dad was born in Germany and was fluent in German. He move with his parents and sister to New York in 1927 at age 4 and grew up in the US. He became a US citizen and served in the US Navy during WWII on PT boats. He was later deployed to the Philadelphia Navy Yards because the US needed electricians. He was there when German U-boat U-505 was captured by an American destroyer skipper from Chicago. The sub was heavily damaged but the skipper had influencial friends in Chicago and got government funding to restore the German submarine. My father was instrumental in helping the restoration with his fluency in German enabling him to translate the German controls and instrumentation instructions. That submarine was completely restored and is now housed in the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. My family has been there and we toured the inside of the boat and read the history. Now we know the end of the story. Too bad my father was not alive to know where the sub ended up and that later we got to see some of his handywork. Wow, what stories there are out there of history and its aftermath!
My dad had a friend who flew in WW2. He said that at the end of the war the Germans had their jet plane. There was no hope for Germany, but they ordered the jets to attack the American’s anyway. His friend related that a jet had him dead to rights, but didn’t fire. He came along side, waved and flew off. He was a warrior not a killer.
@@thewiseoldherper7047 then why he would wave? later in the war, lot of germans started hating hitler and the nazi party for example even the crew of the Bismark didn't surrender but they removed hitler's pictures and didn't salute
@@zazugee You could be right. There were documented examples of similar events. But most of the time that wasn’t the case. We will really never know. The jet pilot flying alongside and saluting was a very brave and unusual act either way and worthy of respect.
@@zazugee Most of the Kreigsmarine hated Hitler and the Nazi Party and very few Nazi Party Members close to Hilter's beliefs were allowed to join. Dörnitz himself didn't like Hitler. The Kriegsmarine were critically underfunded and after 1942 were left for dead as their missions to raid Atlantic shipping were becoming suicidal.
I recall a TH-cam history lesson regarding this. It was found that one German luftwaffe commander threatened each of his pilots that he would personally shoot anyone who shot down a pilot in his parachute.
Most higher-ups understand why, morality aside, it's a bad idea to shoot your enemy in their parachutes over your own land. A German bails over England, and dead or alive he's gone for the war. A German bails over German controlled land, and if he lives they get to use him again. Unless they piss the enemy off, and the enemy starts shooting German pilots in their parachutes.
If i remember correctly franz stigler was apart of a unit whos commander said if i see or hear of anyone shooting a enemy in there parachute i will personally shoot you my self
@@kaidanpeckham1939 Hans Joachim Marseille was also part of that group ,JG27 ,I think. They considered themselves chivalrous honorable warriors . They also only referred to "victories" not Kills ,and would risk flights to allied airfields to drop messages to inform of a downed airmans condition. Very few Luftwaffe guys were Nazis and even though Stigler wanted to avenge his Brothers death ,and earn his knights cross ,his humanity and training won through.
That kind of morality doesn’t sound like the Luftwaffe in World War 2. The Third Reich was a notoriously brutal regime of fear, genocide and dominance, predominantly across Europe with Germany as its epicentre. Don’t forget that they were under Adolf Hitler’s command. My apologies if I’m wrong, but such humility doesn’t seem synonymous with the Nazis. I’m only going by what I learned in history class.
It's important to document events like this for historical perspective. Kudos to you for taking on the task of communicating such an unpleasant event in WWII history.
There was a story of a B-17 that had been so badly damaged it was assumed nobody could have survived inside. Indeed, there were several crew fatalities, but the plane was still being flown by it's badly injured pilot. A 109 came to finish it off, but seeing the state of the aircraft, the pilot elected to signal them to land. He refused. So the German saluted and flew away, leaving the bomber to successfully make it to England. After the war, the bomber pilot lived in Canada and couldn't escape the wondering thought of the man who saved his life. Ended up the German pilot survived the war too, and they met and became great friends. The German said "I had a strict commanding officer who once said 'If I hear of anyone shooting at a man in a parachute, I will shoot you myself'. After seeing the state of the bomber, I felt like the men inside were in a parachute and I couldn't shoot at them."
names of Pilots were Charles Brown and Franz Stigler . Just typing here or Googling their names you find their whole story.The German headed the B17 in direction to UK till he was to the end of his autonomy range. Once back he reported he shooted the B17 and she crashed into the sea.. Thanks to other comment it is now possible to give him an identity (see replies to comment posted by Robert bishop)
Interesting video that hits close to home. Richard "Bud" Peterson was my father. I call this story of his the "Angel of Death Story". To be honest, it's not one of his or my favorites, but it's true. He felt a responsibility as a bomber escort to protect these bomber crews, and as he recounts, when he saw that Me109 pilot individually killing those men in their chutes, it angered him to that action. You could see the anger every time he told that story. Actually, you depict the parachute attacks on the chutes, but in reality, the German was shooting the men themselves as they hung in their chutes. Terrified and helpless against an inevitable doom, waiting as he picked off their friends one by one. One can only imagine the fear of the anticipation of that. In considering the ethics of the story, imagine the relief of those in chutes who were saved and survived. This story was excerpted from a documentary film the producer made of several top aces of the 357th FG. There were several other more memorable stories from Bud that draw a more accurate, full picture of his warm, outgoing personality. For the most part, he was a fun-loving, gregarious, happy-go-lucky fellow with countless friends. He was one of four top aces of the 357th, and the highest scoring ace of the 364th Fighter Squadron. The Chicago Tribune once wrote an article about him entitled "Shepherd of the Skies" explaining how he repeatedly returned to the target area to help damaged bombers return by protecting them from further attack. His favorite story was about bringing his fighter squadron back to Leiston in a fog and landing each and every one of them without any ILS system. He had some extraordinary dogfighting stories too that he often shared with friends at lunch. In reality, my mother was his bride-to-be at home, not yet his wife, when she wrote those letters ending in "Hurry Home Honey". They married in April 1945, just after Bud returned from his second tour of duty. Lastly, there were very few older, veteran fighter pilots in his fighter group. they were all very young...most were just 20 to 23 years old. Bud was 21 when he got his first P-51 in Leiston. They simply learned from themselves as they recounted their experiences after the missions. As they became more experienced and even better fighter pilots, they realized that new, rookie, infill pilots needed to be taught some basics about being a successful fighter pilot after too many of them were shot up in their first few missions when they had no idea what they were doing. Bud developed "Clobber College" calling himself the Dean of this school where the veteran fighter pilots and aces of the 357th would share advice and tips to the new pilots to keep them out of trouble. Take care, thanks for the memories.
Wow. Amazing story about your dad. I feel like I would've done exactly the same as him given the circumstances. Wish I could've listened to some of his stories at lunch too. Take care and thanks to your dad for his service!! My dad did 25 in the US Navy!
Thank You for sharing your Dad's story. My Dad was in Sipan "Army" . He was from a family of 10. My Mom was from a family of 6. Her older brother John was at Omaha beach. The night before D day all were having dinner when he was approached by an officer, it was his and my Mom's brother n law. Uncle John told me this story before he died; how all the men that he fought with thought it was a big deal that an officer would sit down and eat with all the enlisted guys, even if it was his sister's husband. He said that was the last time he ever saw him. He was shot down in his B17 Flying Fortress some time during or just after D day. What My mom's family didn't find out for years is that he had survived the plane being shot down. He was killed in the act of, or after escaping a German prison camp.
P.s. My Uncle John spent his life in the Army and retired in the 1970s. He told me that he trained on every armored vehicle that we had up until retirement.
German pilots would have shot their own for doing that. The Luftwaffe didn’t condone that AT ALL. Thus the story of the 109 helping the B17 to the coast of France
Goering himself a (former) war pilot stricly forbade shooting bailing airmen may be for fair play but even for a fair treatment of POW pilots and crews: that BF109 pilot should have shot down by his mates or report him to a firing squad. Prefer former to a Poetic Justice.
@@Matteo-ks6fn The pilot of the BF 109 that helped the B17 get back to the coast explained after the war that their squadron’s commanding officer gave them a standing order “Any pilot that takes themselves out of the fight, or hits the silk, you leave them be or I will shoot you myself!” The German pilots considered themselves “knights of the air” and many had Teutonic emblems painted on their planes.
Helping an enemy bomber return to its base is just too much to bear. Even though a helpless enemy soldier who is unarmed shall be given the chance to surrender and become a PoW there is no justification for letting a bomber aircraft with all the guns aboard get away. Especially a heavily armed aircraft that just recently dropped a bomb load most probably on a city. This german pilot got far too sentimental with a distorted view of chivalry or whatever could have been the real motivations behind his action if ever it even occurred which I doubt. It was much more indicated and more according to the rules of honorable engagement that the fighter plane pilot signifies to the enemy bomber crew that they have to lower their altitude in order to surrender with the plane or bail out which would be possible if there are no wounded airman on board. Whatever the condition of the entire crew.. there was at least one pilot steering the plane capable to follow the orders. To surrender! Or continue the fight. Nothing else. Otherwise the enemy bomber must be destroyed. Imagine an American jet pilot getting sentimental when he encounters a bunch of hijackers just missing a tower in New York on board of their aircraft because they took hostile fire.. Should he be so nice to escort them with crocodile tears in his eyes because they only came to kill and got a technical problem on their way? Anybody dropping bombs on cities had forfeited his "right" to return safely to his base if we put ourselves in the shoes of the targeted side. Therefore this German fighter pilot in this supposed to have happened event is rather pathetic and a looser.
My WW2 grandfather, long since passed lived his life with regret that he had to kill enemy soldiers. He was forever sad about it and used to say how sorry he was. Absolutely no glory in it, just lifelong regret.
Both of my grandfathers fought against each other in WW2. My mom's father for the allies, my dad's fought for the Nazis. It's a horrible price to pay just for fucking politics.
@@devilsoffspring5519 It was a lot more than "politics" my friend. In the US we have "politics." People are free to run for office and vote their conscientious. Nazi Germany wanted to take over the world and deny any semblance of liberty to anyone. They started at home in Germany first. Hitler told the world what he wanted to do in Mein Kampf. No, sorry, pal . . . the war between human freedom and Nazi evil is not "politics" like your local city council member's race.
@@gunner5916 Yeah, I thought that was what he would do. All the parachutists the German pilot killed were shown falling to their deaths when their parachutes were shredded by bullets. I'm not sure why shooting a defenseless parachutist isn't considered a war crime.
Western pilots - German, Russian and Allied generally avoided killing defenseless adversaries in their parachutes. The exception in WW2 though were the Japanese. They ruthlessly slew bailed out pilots when they got the chance.
There was not a universal agreement on shooting down airmen in parachutes. The British command during the BOB understood (not necessarily happy) that their airmen parachuting back to the ground fighting over England were sometimes considered valid targets by some Luftwaffe pilots as they could land and be back to their squadrons in hours while Luftwaffe pilots in parachutes were going to be captured. The roles reversed over Germany and while I’m not aware of US pilots targeting Luftwaffe pilots in parachutes in anything more than a specific instance, the same logic could be used as some Luftwaffe pilots survived multiple shoot downs yet continued to fight. Rules in warfare tend to get murky quickly.
On Dec 12, '41 all planes were shot on the ground P-40's and B-17's. A small contingent of ancient Boeing Peashooters, Philippine Air Force, 24 in all, 12 flyable but only 6 were armed and fueled. Capt Jesus Villamor flew, shot down a Zero and a GM3 His wingman Lt. Basa got a Zero but was shot down himself. He bailed out but was shot on parachute. The defenders had to rush to base and burn all remaining planes as the Japanese were advancing fast. He got a DFC but O'Hare on the other side of the world got a MOH.
Russian (Soviets) are/were not "western pilots"! Russian, Polish, Japanese and American pilots are recorded as shooting at enemy aircrew in parachutes!
The Japanese fighter pilots in 1942 New Guinea wore no parachutes, due to shortage. By the way they considered rescue equipment of any kind as signs of cowardice. So since they could not survive, why let their enemies do ? This was their samurai-banzai-hara-kiri-seppuku-whatever logic.
I Heard this story when I was young on a documentary on the war over Europe, I was about 14 years old. I'm glad to see the younger generations retelling this story so that it will be remembered.
My Grandfather was a Luftwaffe fighter pilot and he had often mentioned that firing on bailed aircrew was seen as an absolute atrocity by pretty much all nations. In general, he had explained that the mentality of the military aviation pilots deviated somewhat from other military branches due to the fact that many of them had been drafted from civilian aviation which was already a sort of an elite in-group. It was much more acceptable to be critical of the regime or even of the war itself since good pilots were hard to come by and air combat was so deadly, it was hard to be patriotic about it. They would meet new faces each day and by the evening half of them would be dead already. He would tell me stories of surprising kindness, pilots visiting their downed adversaries with flowers and gifts in the hospital and other acts of comradery among enemy nations. Interestingly, he always made special mention of the Australian air force as being infamous for shooting at parachutes. He even had a thing or two to say about a few famous German fighter aces who pulled strings in order to be allowed to repeatedly fly superior model 109s on missions against vastly inferior russian planes and just down a bunch of them in order to accumulate ridiculous numbers of confirmed kills.
@@ChuckTownRC51 that was the Nazis. There is a difference, it's like saying that the US Soldiers are Republican or Democrat. It was also generally the SS in charge of the camps, not rank and file German army. Please learn the difference before making an uneducated comment
What you describe was also partially at play in the navies (well, except for Japan, as always). My theory is that it's due to having a shared enemy. Pilots are not just combating each other, but also gravity itself (and possibly their plane, if badly maintained due to shortages of parts). For sailors, the sea can be more deadly and relentless than the enemy. This is why you often saw enemy ships save their own victims, or at least attempt to. In that sense, if some bigger outside force reminds everyone of their shared humanity, war crimes become less prevalent. Anyhow, thanks for sharing! :)
My grandpa had a situation where he and a scout patrol were on a boat. Everyone was near the engine to keep warm - my grandpa sat on the edge, as he had heard of possible mines and had told his fellows such They hit a mine. 3/4 of the patrol were killed instantly, my grandpa nearly was drowned as he got hit with the severed body of his officer He managed to drag himself and this officer (who was still alive) to shore He was then attacked by a German patrol, killing the officer, forcing my grandpa to use his body as a sandbag as he returned fire He got captured, a German flanking him and trying to disable him instead of killing him When he came to he was bound, his wounds bandaged. The same German standing between him and other soldiers In the exchange of fire, my grandpa had hit some of the German patrol - killing 1-2 while wounding a few others This German, a sergeant or an officer, said roughly “Kill a captured PoW and I will personally kill you myself, we are not Nazis. He fought as we fight. His fight is done.” Later that German patrol was ambushed and everyone got killed but this German who got wounded. My grandpa did the same for him, protecting him and tending to his wounds - after the war they both became friends who visited each other My grandpa said he was the brave and threw one hell of a punch
@@johncapaldi7890 it's only an oxymoron until you've fought in a war bereft of them from one side. Although, it wasn't quite incumbent upon the other side, as they were non-uniformed and non-military, so were unlawful combatants. The Geneva Conventions have strict requirements on what is permitted and required. One may only kill a prisoner in an authorized reprisal for war crimes committed by those same forces. So, when SS were gunned down, rather than being taken prisoner in France during WWII, it was because it was discovered that the Waffen SS was killing Allied prisoners of war. But, that decision is normally made by Generals, not junior commissioned like Majors. In this case, the Geneva Convention that covered parachuting air crew was approved in 1977, but practiced through most of WWII by Germany and the US until late in the war, when Hitler ordered parachuting crews shot on their parachutes, despite the gentlemen's agreement and the general staff objected that it was literally murder. In the GWOT, the other side's combatants refused to abide by either the Geneva or Hague Conventions, but we were ordered to abide by them. Interestingly, a surprising number of captured EPW's then bragged about upcoming operations that'll "make you pay". Miranda isn't in any of the articles of war, so we took notes and reported them up, to intercept the idiot's buddies. Hey, the smart terrorists are the bosses, that's how they became bosses, by surviving. The rest, not exceptionally bright, but certainly enthusiastic, buying the entire abuse of religious leader's line, hook, line and sinker. Never interrupt an adversary when he's making a mistake. Sun Tzu.
Kinda interesting he said we are not Nazis. It makes me feel bad for the German soldiers during the war. They were off fighting and dying while their government and private army was off killing innocent people.
A good number of the German soldiers were professional soldiers. In my old time farming community, one fellow was a despondant hero from WWII who was in a 'fight to the last man' situation; only he and a medic survived. He was part of a group holding a forward viewing post and the Germans were determined to take them out. After a bloody rancous fire fight, they sent in a half track to ram into the house and finish him off. He was a BAR carrier, and the last one firing; hearing and seeing the half track he crawled out into some bushes and ambushed it at hand shake distance. He had two clips of heavy Blacktip AP rounds, which he shot the driver through a view slit, then the top machine gunner, reloaded and put his last clip through the full side of the thing, killing everyone in it. He was shot again doing this action, and throw back in the house with the Medic as the Germans took over the house; they took all his papers, including the two Bibles he carried with him, but later returned them as they gave him aide. The German commander had seen his braverly, and told all about that he was Ein Soldat (a real soldier). Other senior soldiers came in to meet him, as an honor, for his selfless fighting spirit and bravery. As he was passed down the line as a prisoner, his guard would point him out to others that had heard about his fight, murmmering, he is the Ein Soldat!
This brutal practice was more prevalent, I believe, among Japanese pilots in the Pacific Theater.....though all sides were probably guilty of it at times. A lot of pilots that bailed out recount that they delayed opening chutes until closer to the ground because of this.
@@DamazViccar Nah, just war is hell. Going through that shared experience, a man tends to get real close to his squad mates. Then after some assbag smears one or two of them, the line between duty and war crime starts to get really blurry. Not excusing war crimes but I can understand what goes through a man's mind when he drops hammer on a EPW.
On the Doolittle Raid ... several B25's ran out of fuel before landfall and had to ditch in the water. Not that all survived, and not that all the survivors were mistreated, but three of the survivors were pulled from the sea by a destroyer's launch then taken to the destroyer. The three surviving crew members were immediately questioned while on deck. Each only gave their name, rank, and serial number. The ship's Captain said "you have attacked our country and killed many people". The leader of the group responded "We lost a lot of friends at Pearl Harbor". The Captain of the ship ordered a section of anchor chain (+/- 30lbs) attached to their legs and threw them overboard. In SE Asia (1969) I saw the results of what the enemy did to our soldiers. I also watched what our soldiers did to them. It's not something to speak of ... but it happens in WAR.
I have to wonder if he even thought an Allied pilot would do such a thing. Until he saw the plane circle back around. Then I'm sure he filled his flightsuit with stank.
My English grandma told me she was working on her dairy farm one day in the early 40's when a RAF / Luffewaffe dogfight happened near her in the skies. She watched them shoot at each other for a while, but then kept doing farm work like any other day. She eventually heard some planes hit the ground a ways away - but the thing she'll never forget - a parachute landed at the next door neighbour's field - said the RAF pilot was motionless and had no body below the chest other than ribs, bones and blood. Could you imagine seeing that? Neighbours cleaned it up by burning the remains on the spot where he landed. RIP Lest We Forget
My dad was a WWII veteran who had taken several prisoners through the war. They treated the Wehrmacht prisoners well. The one group that was less likely to be taken prisoner were the SS following the Malmedy massacre. This German pilot that was killed was about the same as those SS. Dad survived 3 major campaigns including the Bulge and just died last year at 95. This was an amazing generation and there are very few still with us.
My mums US WW2 Paratrooper Boyfriend in London was in D-Day/Battle of the Bulge etc. I found him in 2015. He came to Australia and they had Valentines Day together. 😱😊
@@gerardfrederick5504 Yes, but context matters, he's a murderer who killed a man whom he and others witnessed murdering several of their defenseless fellow airmen. Would you have just let the guy continue to shoot down defenseless bomber crew?
My grandfather was a British Artillery Gunner for the full length of the war. When it was over he wouldn’t talk to me about it and he never went to any parades or memorials. He didn’t want his medals so my mum secretly applied for them to give to me. When they arrived he saw them, grabbed them and threw them in the kitchen bin and shouted “They are nothing to be proud of, we did some terrible, evil things!” He died of alcoholism when I was 9. I asked my grandma what happened to him, she just said”I do know, let’s just say neither side was innocent”.
Most of them had no choice, and I as a Dane am ever thankful for those who helped liberate my country from the Nazi scourge, had they not done so, things would have been a _lot_ worse for all of us in the occupied countries. I'm sorry to hear your grandfather ended up the way he did, clearly he must've been a good man, if what he saw and had to do drove him to the bottle. My own grandfather was involved in the resistance movement, and although he wasn't in one of the "liquidation" groups taking care of collaborators, I think the war broke something inside him, he never spoke of his experiences, but I know from other sources that he was a ship torcher.
Respect to your grandfather for fighting in the war and protecting freedom, and I totally understand his position as being someone in the war. As we have learned more and more, it becomes more and more obvious that the Axis powers got exactly what was coming to them.
@@blueluny , you need to put aside war-hatre, even most soldiers believes in fair fight. You had a fair fight so no hate here. If you want to hate then hate snipers because they don't do fair fights. grow up
Then there's the WWII story of Owen John Baggett, the only person to shoot down a plane with a handgun -- from a parachute. Owen and his crew had bailed out of their badly damaged, burning B24 and was floating down over Berma . Japanese Zeros were shooting the men in their parachutes. They killed two of his crew and Owen was shot in the arm. Still in his harness, Baggett thought it best to play dead, hoping to fool the Japanese fighters. However, he pulled his .45 caliber gun out of its holster and rested it against the side of his leg. This quick-thinking would save his life. One of the Japanese fighters came back to double check that Baggett was really dead. But in the process, the enemy pilot made a fatal mistake: he opened his canopy to take a better look. That’s when Owen raised his pistol and took four shots at the Japanese pilot. The pilot had slowed the plane to near stalling speed to look at Baggett, and now it went into a spin before it was lost to sight. th-cam.com/video/gWm3SHdlb9g/w-d-xo.html
First, you misspelled war hero. Secondly shooting bailed out crew was not made illegal until after the war in 49. Thirdly, you're defending the killing of a Nazi. I'll bet you thought Kyle was guilty as well. Piss off commie.
Damn straight buddy, thank you!!! My dad was in the old army air corps, bless your soul. I know you didn't want to do that but you were chosen to exact justice for our helpless guys. Rest my friend. Rest.
Not just justice, but also to save the lives of other pilots as this guy would have surely been given another plane to fly and would most certainly continue his murderous campaign against American pilots in chutes.
I remember hearing of this somewhere as it stirred some controversy even in the Luftwaffe. As said in the video, both sides left downed aviators alone. That's it, they were out of the fight. This incident invited a never ending series of reprisals. Some Luftwaffe pilots wanted to do the same but one of the higher ranking officers threatened he'd shoot anyone that attack a man in a parachute. This whole event was pretty much an aberration compared to the rest of the air war conduct between the Axis and Western Allies.
I'd be surprised that Luftwaffe pilot wouldn't have been court-martialed for shooting down US bomber crew in their 'chutes. It wasn't just chivalry...the US pilots/crew were more than likely, if they weren't badly wounded already and going to die, to end up in a POW camp. The war for THEM was over. If a German pilot had to bail from his stricken plan over German-held territory, provided he wasn't also wounded, he was back in the fight. Quite a few LW pilots did sortie that very day after being shot down...talk about "Get BACK on the HORSE!".
German bandits from the Luftwaffe very often and willingly shot at the Allied airmen who were rescuing themselves by parachuting. They were equally eager to attack and kill civilians on earth from 1939 to 1945. Currently, there is a media campaign presenting the Germans as the first victims of Hitler, while over 90% of Germans were hot Nazis. You have to REMEMBER about it
@@markgoz4118 the most of the german forces were not nazis. German forces got hard rules. rape or torture or kill civilians was often ending in front of an firing squad. And Luftwaffe attacked mostly war legal targets. if your city has 1 factory which produced war material, the complete city was a legal war target. the regular german forces did not more crimes than the allies or russians.
@@markgoz4118 so ? Where exactly do those claims of 90 percent come from ? Is that a scientific fact or just a blant statement by somebody that clearly has anti german Sentiment ? Hitler was voted in with 51 percent And only because there was nothing better to vote for at the time
FYI: Really bad, bad things happen in wars. That's why should be avoided. About 20 years ago I had the chance to ask a lot of WWII veterans about their experiences and everyone of them at the end said it should never happen again.
We also have no idea what was going on in the mind of the German pilot, if he was just a fanatic out to out hitler hitler, then he dang sure got what he deserved. But by the time P-51Ds were escorting, this was late war and the bombing was killing a LOT of civilians. How would any of us reacted if during the past couple of days we learned our mother, father, little brother and sister, and another teen sibling had been completely wiped out in a bombing raid and burned to ashes? That takes a sharp left turn from cold-blooded killer and into the fog of war just as the P-51 pilot did. This is why war is heII, never goes the way people think as they tend to see it almost like a sports game at first, and the outcome is far from certain.
I saw another video by this same pilot, where he described the very first time he shot down a German airplane: the German pilot bailed out, apparently unharmed, Mr. Peterson remembered seeing the German pilot drifting past him in his parachute, and the German pilot saluted Mr. Peterson. ...AND NO, MR. PETERSON DIDN'T SHOOT AT THE GERMAN PILOT-(!)
Yes, that story was part of the same documentary and was one of his more favorite stories, unlike this parachute story. I am his son. It was the first of many enemy aircraft Bud shot down (he was a triple ace). He was quite thrilled to have won that first encounter as he watched the German pilot bail out and fly by the right side of his P-51. He said the German was wearing an immaculate, powder blue uniform with shiny, knee-high boots, and a white silk scarf around his neck. He said the German stood at attention, saluted him, and pulled his ripcord. Bud got a big kick out of that salute, and said it seemed so gallant and respectful. Perhaps it was a ploy to avoid being chased and shot, but Bud believed it was an honest gesture and returned the respect.
This German pilot was out of the ordinary, as the German Pilots held themselves to a higher standard and weren't as rotten as some of the ground troops could be. He was lucky other German pilots didn't see what he was doing, or they may have gone after him themselves. Glad this guy took care of business and served him instant justice!
The reason many people have this perception of the German pilots is because most of their records were kept in Dresden which had a fire problem and so we're all destroyed. Therefore after the war when members of the other branches were put up on trial there wasn't enough evidence to put the pilots on trial. Also the experience very high casualty rates by the end of the war. Very few survived to see the end of it. There is unofficial accounts of some pretty heinous acts such as on their free time volunteering to go out with SS battalions in the rear and participate in those activities.
My Great uncle fought In the desert campaign with the 8th Army Desert Rats as an AT Gunner. Almost right through, 41 to 45. They still had to go on nightly combat patrols though. On one such patrol they were walking past along an old desert stone wall, about waist height when they saw another patrol heading the opposite way along the other side of the same wall. My uncles OC (Officer Commanding) that evening just thought it to be another allied recon and didnt pay them much attention, accept a usual nod and brief hello, the other party leader did the same.. But my uncle, Sgt Harold Norton was suspicious and as the last guy on the other side of the wall was passing him (he was tail end) they stared at each other and it became apparent they were 'enemies' it was a German Afrika korps patrol. My uncle said they just stared at each other, slowing their walk in shock, then nodded at each other, smiled and carried on. Nothing happened and my uncles patrol got back with no drama's he said haha, omg :)) I will never forget this, what he told me! I was just 12 when he did but is as clear as today. Just goes to show there was humanity even in the worst times. Bless them!
TF: my friends dad was fighting in Italy and tells a similar story on patrol. His group arrived at the southern end of an orchard, the same time the germans arrived at the north gate. They both circulated around the inner perimeter until the got back to where they started, halted and waved at each other and carried on.
You're going to get all kinds of responses to your comment. I can't speak for WWII, but I can tell you that in SE Asia (1969) there were many "Phantom Patrols" where a platoon or a squad would be ordered to a particular map point for recon. The squad or platoon leader would simply go out of eye sight of the base and "hunker" for a few hours then report back. The only method of tracking was eye sight (not practical) and the RTO (radio telephone operator) who would call in occasionally. Today, you can't get away with that. The RTO (if they're still called that) has a tracking device attached. Base knows where you are all the time.
The video shows a dead German in a parachute near the ground. 50. Caliber in real life is an extremely destructive round, and it probably didn't leave much to float down in a parachute. War is hell.
@@dekoldrick Fnny how you think a human body would be a blown up but a piece of cloth or whatever you make paraschutes out of that probably weighed less a kilo would survive it
@@cunninguncle208akaanutlapu7 If he was shooting at the body and not the parachute. If the pilots account of the incident is enough to go off of, he's good at putting his shots at where he wants them seeing as he wasn't trying to kill the German pilot in his plane but force him to bail so he could exact revenge.
"With 800 rounds a minute you can do a lot of damage with fifty caliber shells - from six guns. So that was the end of THAT." Sometimes you gotta take the gloves off, I love this man.
No, I can't respect a man like that. What happens next in such actions, a German pilot only sees that his comrade was shot on parachute and avenges this next time by shooting American or British crews who want to save themselves on parachute and thus got the spiral of violence and all because he wanted to take revenge instead of just shooting him down and thereby probably killing him too
@@tobiasbrandt6840 Also the thing he said that nobody would shoot parachuters including the Germans is false. Also the Allies shoot down parachuters at first, in the battle of crete.
The Japanese pilots were well known for going after men in their parachutes. That really angered many western fighter pilots who considered it to be totally unethical.
@@sebsub6111 it obviously isn't "nothing". Hundreds of thousands of people, many of course women and children, being burned alive...so much that the bomber crews and equipment held the smell of burned human flesh after they returned. Comparing things like this isn't very useful though. But it certainly isn't nothing.
@@sebsub6111 They was all the same, killing civilians, rape of Nanking, death camps, all the same category, gassing people in the camps in Poland and Germany was nothing more than murdering people with radiations.
Great story to start the new title, especially has I hadn't heard of this guy. I don't think the German pilot would've been popular with his own Staffel either. It was not approved of by any of the combatants in Europe.
You couldn’t be any more wrong, because the killing of bailed out pilots on both sides, was in the words of those in charge, at the end of the war, “quite widespread”..!..!..!.. So, while it had been suggested before the Second World War, that should make it illegal to kill pilots and crew who jumped to save their lives, this wasn’t actually made a law, until 1947/9 ish..!..!..!.. And, during the Battle of Britain, the allied forces leaders(Dowding and Churchill), actually agreed, that they would not prosecute nazi pilots, who shot allied pilots(British, Polish, Dutch, Canadian, Kiwi’s, Indians, Ausi’s, Israeli’s etc etc etc) in their parachutes, because they were going to be carrying on the fight once they landed..!..!..!.. Unlike the nazi pilots, who having bailed out over the UK, who would actually be POW’s, as soon as they left their aircraft’s..!..!..!.. And, they had this, and later conversations about this issue, because it was as they said “quite widespread”, which led to the law being made after the war was finished, which is why no pilot was found guilty the war crime, of shooting a pilot that had bailed out..!..!..!.. This all means, that it was something that each pilot decided on, on their own, because there were nazis like Galland, who told Goering that he would refuse to follow such an order, if it was given..!..!..!.. The largest group of allied pilots, (who took part in the defeat of the Luftwaffe, which didn’t include the USAAF, because they were not involved in the Battle of Britain, just in the mopping up of the Luftwaffe, after they were defeated/beaten for the first time) who would gleefully shoot every nazi pilot, that was in the air, that they could, no matter what the circumstances were, were the Polish(but probably not all of them), who believed, that, just like the yankis thought of the American Indians, that the only good one was a dead one..!..!..!..
@@norrinradd3549 Yes as I understand it, Polish pilots having their country over run would shoot Luftwaffe pilots in their parachutes until it started happening to R.A.F. pilots. But the likes of most pilots were to kill the plane, not necessarily the pilot in the B.o. B.
@@jonathansteadman7935 Air Chief Marshall Dowding had an interesting view on this topic. He opined that it was murder to kill parachuting Luftwaffe airmen over Britain because they were POWs. However, parachuting RAF pilots over England were legitimate targets because they could fly in combat again.
@@norrinradd3549 I'd like to add to your comment, as seen in some texts on the subject of German jet interceptors, that a decree was made by the higher ups in the USAAF, that jet pilots, particularly valuable to the enemy, should be terminated if an opportunity presented itself. I'm sure most flyers on either side had more pressing concerns in the heat of battle than to place a high priority on the subject matter, (limited ammo supply whilst in the air being one of them) and I'm certain that an individual's conscience/perspective came into play regarding such matters.
Sort of. If the pilot survives, he's going to be back with a vengeance. It's just that no side involved wanted the enemy doing the same thing to them, so it was often looked down upon as bad etiquette.
During the invasion of Poland at the start of ww2 German pilots often shot at bailing Polish pilots (possibly because some of them belived that Slavic people were sub humans.) Later in the battle of Britain, polish squadrons had most air kills, some people believe that it was because they were aiming at the cockpits of German bombers with intention to kill the pilots whereas British pilots aimed to disable planes. And a plane with smoking engine can make it back across the channel, with dead pilot not so much.
My father was the nose gunner on a B-24 shot down over Hungary. The peasants were going to run him through with pitchforks, a Hungarian soldier got there in time and took him prisoner. Spent 11 months in a Stalagluft.
That was pretty common. You had a lot of civilians that were killed in the bombing. Their friends and relatives sometimes hated the air crew and would kill them if they caught them. The German military people took care of prisoners so that the enemy would do the same with theirs - except for the SS. The result of that - was that very few SS were allowed to surrender. .
@@BobSmith-dk8nw The thing is most people are in the agreement that bomber crews should be tried for compliance to war crimes, with infantrymen, tankers, fighter pilots and naval fighter-dive bombers, battleships, aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers & submarines, it should always be combatant vs combatant,
@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 _"most people are in the agreement that bomber crews should be tried for compliance to war crimes"_ Bull Shit. They only think that the people who have bombed THEM should be tried as war criminals. They've no problem with their people who have bombed Civilians. The thing is - in all the wars there have ever been - there have always been more civilians killed than soldiers. Civilians are defenseless - and - they are everywhere. Even nations that go to extreme lengths to avoid "collateral damage" kill them. People who think like you are just being silly. .
@@BobSmith-dk8nw Infrastructures can be rebuilt people no so much, we can just breed on command, and hopefully, the next generation will be more advanced, I look at things at how much will do damage, in the long run, war is not the failure of diplomacy, its another form of it, the worst one possible, Look at it another way, unrestricted submarine warfare is another form of terror style warfare, crop-killing another, public anarchy generation another, public water source sabotage another, communication destruction another, If in theory, you could take out the heads of nations with a precise mile strike that is non-nuclear then yes, will there be civilians casualties, yes but would it save countless others from needing to be slaughtered the use of the Atom bomb was case in point for that time,
My father was an RAAF pilot but served with the RAF 66 squadron during WW 2. William Coombes Barker It was as my father described it an odd ball squadron made up of NZ Australian Canadian pilots. He once told me of a New Zealand pilot in his squadron whom was shot down then baild out an was strafed by a German plane. Never saw dad so upset telling me this story. I can now understand this American pilots fury as well this story reminded me of my father's experience. Thanks for sharing.👍👍👍👌👌
We New Zealanders had a hard time. My dad showed me his class photo. There were 45 in his class. Only 8 survived until 1945. 9 died in the Battle of Britain.
My great grandpa was his crew chief and I heard stories of them cleaning the German off his plane. The history challen episode didn't mention that he flew through the German as well as almost dumping his guns into him. I've got a picture with all of them together in front of an early hurry home honey
I believe I saw Richard Peterson back in the 1980s. every year they used to have the Tico Warbird show in Titusville Florida. I attended it every year and it was always a great show. A lot of world war II veteran fighter pilots would attend that show and give talks and autographs. I believe Richard Peterson was one of them
Yeh ...TICO was a good airshow..it was usually the 1st of the airshow season and I saw 3 space shuttle launches over the years as I attended the show..good times!
My father's old boss was a WWII veteran, fellow architect, and good friend of "Bud" Peterson, and I heard this story from him. Terrible thing, but just.
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo. “So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Yodas twin brother Swartz once said. To bed with stinky bungholeo wakes up with stinky finger. So hence forth the term may the Swartz be with youuuuu was born. What Swartz or Gandolf have to do with this video I do not know.
Live in a stable democracy surrounded by stable democracies and you won't have to go to war. No two liberal democracies have ever gone to war against each other. This is by the way what makes Trump's tireless efforts to undermine democracy with his Big Lie so dangerous.
@@joefriday2275 I agree with you i was playing Devil's advocate. I also would have shot that German pilot. In fact, there are a lot of people I can think of I wouldn't think twice about killing.
It is absolutely disgusting how many German and Japanese soldiers and officers were executed postwar because they did the same thing that the Allies did to parachuting airmen and sailors in lifeboats after their warships sank! One of the most bizarre things I witnessed was I saw a propaganda film where the U.S. government was bragging about USAAF and USN planes shooting Japanese sailors in the water and in lifeboats after 10+ destroyers and transports ships were sunk at the Battle of the Bismarck Sea. How many Axis sailors/airmen were executed or sent to prison for at least a decade for doing the same thing the Allies were doing???
maybe not....but they would a turn around in another plane and come back maybe kill you too if he was a pilot...war is hell....people get bombed innocent people die ...
In WWII there were heroes, there were people that live their lives without noise, and there were scoundrels that would shoot people in parachute... on both sides.
Hamburg, Dresden, hundreds of other cities destroyed. Primary target: killing as many civilians as possible……15 million German civilians forced to leave their homes in East Germany as consequence of Allied ethnically cleansing, ca. 1 million killed during the ethnically cleansing, 1-2 Million women raped by Allied soldiers (Russians). War crimes on both sides. But Allied soldiers have not been punished…..
@@davidconklin9552 No, it's not off topic. You asked for evidence of something that would never have been reported by the pilots themselves but the answer you got reflects the mentality of warfare on both sides. I have seen reports of British planes firing on German lifeboats in Norway, confirmed by Norwegian surviving prisoners from the shipwreck. Not reported by the pilots.
Thank you, it truly upset me to hear about that German, I hope there's no more people like that left, although, looking at our humanity these days, I'm afraid the world is full of them. Good documentry, much appreciated
Actually the great majority of people are not like that. Even in the military, a percentage of soldiers are very reluctant to shoot an enemy in plain sight. There is a strong social inhibition against killing another human, which is how we manage to have civilization in the first place. Military training is necessary to break down that inhibition.
GET ALL THE INFO BEFORE COMMENTING! …. “ on one mission he saw a Bf 109 systematically firing at American B-17 bomber crews as they descended in their parachutes. After Peterson forced the offending German pilot to bail out, he killed him as he was descending.”
Those Bomber crews were delibertly bombing the most densely populated suburbs in German cities, delibertly targeting woman and children to demoralise the men who were away at war. If they had killed my children, my wife, my sisters, my mother with their incendiary bombs I would shoot the bastards in their parachutes too.
An old friend of mine got shot down from a US bomber, over Hamburg. He said the civilians would just as soon hang you from a tree if they caught you. He was fortunate he was picked up by a policeman and wound up in a POW camp where he remained to the end of the war. Even if you made it to the ground, you were in grave danger in that situation. I think it was the same for the Germans over England. These men are almost all gone now. I miss my friend. He was a hero in so many ways and you would never have known it unless you knew him.
Spent many years interviewing airforce vets in (late 80's - mid-90s who had been shot down. Heard the same kind of story told by them. The instigator of the threats was often described as a political type - like a mayor.
My dad was in the US Navy in WWII and served in the South Pacific. He said it was not uncommon to see the gunners cut a Japanese pilot in half as they floated down. War brings out brutality in men.
@@johnjennings8085 Shooting a defenseless man floating in a parachute is a war crime. But given the anger you create after watching your buddies be killed is understandable. It is hard to contain the rage.
Killing someone from a bomber crew in a parachute wouldn't make sense because: 1. Your mission is to destroy bombers (or fighters), keep fighting them. 2. If you are flying around hunting someone else, you can be distracted and become a victim by an enemy fighter. 3. Bomber crews downed over your own country will become POW, they won't came back and fight. There are stories from fighters pilots killing enemy airmen when they where over enemy ground, in this rare case it could make sense. But even then there where only rare occasions about such incidents, but it can make sense not to deploy you parachute to early. appendix: I wanted to explain why the action of the German pilot wasn't justified it was plain stupid and might have cost him his live. For the US pilot, well some people would be surprised to know about things allowed in a war. The German pilot was an enemy combatant, if he couldn't take him as prisoner he was allowed to shoot him.
Ammunition supply aboard aircraft was limited, shooting those in parachutes would deplete ammunition needed to shoot planes, otherwise it would make sense to shoot those in parachutes.
During the Battle of Britain RAF pilots had to (and did) refrain from shooting German air crew in chutes. Luftwaffe pilots on the other hand were free to shoot (and sometimes did shoot) RAF pilots in chutes over England. In each case they were following the rules of engagement at the time. The German Anderson shot didn't follow the rule. Anderson did nothing wrong shooting that man. Nevertheless pilots on both sides often refrained form shooting chutes even when it was legal.
You sound like you've been watching nothing but Star Trek and other Leftist tripe all your young life. Start reading some books about real humans at war and watch how your perspective changes...
Old parachutes back then were not very strong. If you waited to deploy your chute it would rip or break the cords because you are going too fast for it to stop you.. Since Ww1 shooting downed pilots has been frowned on. The German pilot was wasting ammo, and should have been going after the mustang or b17s. He got himself killed by focusing on the parachutes, and got what he deserved.
Wilcke, Hartman, Galland, Barkhorn, Rall, and almost every JG52 pilots often found themselves arguing with their fellow Luffwaffe because they saw them shooting pilots in parachutes
@@tjv-logs consider: the German pilot was shooting out parachutes, giving the allied airmen time to feel terror before hitting the ground. This American pilot at least gave the German the mercy of a quick kill; which might have been more than he deserved.
Why would you condemn an allied pilot His job was to kill Germans and win a war… Why let a German pilot Survive so he can get in Another plane and kill his buddies…
There is a passage about this kind of thing in Adolf Galland's autobiography "The First and the Last". At the time he was General der jagdflieger commanding all the fighter units when he was approached by Reichsmarschall Goering with a question. He was asked hoe he would consider a standing order to shoot down enemy pilots having bailed out in parachutes. Galland said he considered such a command to be dishonorable and he would refuse to obey it. Goering (a former Richthofen Flying Circus fighter pilot himself) smiled and told him he agreed totally, that had come under pressure from 'above' to implement such an order and was now convinced he was right to push back. To my knowledge Luftwaffe fighter pilots were never ordered to kill helpless men in parachutes and this is the first I've heard of it happening.
I don't know if it was ever mentioned here, but there is an account of a Luftwaffe fighter dude that escorted a crippled US bomber to an allied field at the risk of being shot down (not to mention the heat he'd take if anyone found out what he did). There are good people on both sides.
@@tomsen413 I think you missed the point. The German fighter pilot had a conscience and did the right thing even though it put his own life in danger. There are people like that on both sides of a war.
I remember this story and from the early 2000's. It takes a sorry SOB to shoot helpless pilots in chutes on either side. I'm so glad the humanity was used most of the time!
How can you say that without cursing President Harry Truman for the firebombing of Toyko, which killed 300,000 innocent civilians in the worst way - - napalm.
@@web5271 Japan had terrorized the Pacific for nearly a decade, at some point the bleeding had to stop, 10's of millions dead, the Rape of Nanking, endless war crimes, and belligerent leadership which led Truman to what he at the time determined was the only thing that would end it once and for all, how many civilian deaths did the Japanese deal out in China? A lot more than 300,000, estimates are in the millions. How can any of these countries justify killing countless millions in the name of power, profit, and god? They do though, and they all do horrific things, and the poor people suffer the consequences, especially the women and their children, those are the most affected by greedy old men who make their money on conflict Like the Bushes and Cheneys of the world, and the Clintons and Obamas too. Conflict sells, and it seems everybody's buying.
Those Bomber crews were delibertly bombing the most densely populated suburbs in German cities, delibertly targeting woman and children to demoralise the men who were away at war. If they had killed my children, my wife, my sisters, my mother with their incendiary bombs I would shoot the bastards in their parachutes too.
My Grandfather was a British naval medic on D-Day. On one of the American beaches, I cannot say which one, he was administering morphine to the American soldiers, moving from one wounded to another with orders to only give morphine out to those soldiers who could be saved according to their wounds and chances of survival. He ignored this order and gave the stuff out according to who he decided should get saved. He found an American soldier with a bayonet stuck in his back still alive and gave him the morphine. So this tells me that the action he was involved in was still hot fighting on the beach. The American survived the war and I saw him as a child at my Grandfathers house. Posh Allen they used to call him. Because of his fine posh American accent. For that act of insubordination I am proud of my Grandfather. When the war ended and he was to have collected his medals. He refused to do so. He was so disgusted at what he had been through and that was the end of it. There are millions of untold stories. This one about the parachutist is a reminder of those kind of stories we don't often hear. It is hard to keep ones integrity and keep your finger off that trigger even when you know that it could destroy your honor even if you think it could be justice. War makes people sick inside their souls. That is the reason why many soldiers never spoke about what they had gone through when they came back.
In April 1945 I think it was the US 3rd Army that pushed through my home village. The Village was defended by two Panther tanks and half a company of troops. The Panthers knocked out at least 3 Shermans and while the US regrouped 1 was abandoned because of lack of fuel and the other fled with the infantry. Now you would imagine the US would have some sort of a grudge having lost at least 3 tanks and about 20 Infantrymen. They went from house to house. The villagers had fled to the woods only with the smallest of supplies. My Grandfather went back to get more. He was caught by the US Infantry. We had no Nazi devotionalism in our house, my grandfather being a labor unionist for which he had to suffer during the Nazi regime. The US troops took the eggs from the chicken and some chicken but shared it all with my grandfather and let him have the leftovers. They burned however the neighbouring building because there they found plenty Nazi Emblems and pictures.
@@joevignolor4u949 It takes like 20 seconds to find out that the Panzerkampfwagen V Panther was indeed a German tank in WW2. Fact check yourself before you fact check others.
Parabéns pelo seu canal! Sou veterano da aviação naval da Marinha do Brasil e sou fascinado pela história dos bravos veteranos que lutaram nas guerras. The comment was written in Brazilian Portuguese, if you wanna know what it means.
I'm a freemason and I had a mason brother whose father was also a free mason and a US fighter pilots in WW2 who became a POW after being shutdown by german AAA. He told that his father was taken for interrogation by a German Intelligence Office who started asking the usual questions about, his mission, homebase etc., The Geman Officer noticed on the table a few personal items laying on the table that belong to my friend's father and had been removed from him after taken POW. He said that his father's interrogator looked intensely at a ring with the masonic symbol on it ( the square and the compass) and the German looked at him quite surprise and asked if the was a "widow son" a symbolic secret questions only known by freemason to identify another free mason. He said his father was even more surprised replied that he was. The German terminated the interrogation and requested to his superior that the American aviator was too valuable and with a lot of intelligence information and that he needed to take custody of him. The German Officer took the American pilot to another camp where the POW where treated much better and looked after him until the camp was liberated. After the war, my friend's father when back looking for the German Officer and after days of asking he was told that the German had been killed in an air raid in Berlin. However, he got the chance to meet some of his family and told them the story. For years, my friend father kept the secret and only told him after he became a freemason.
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." - Friedrich Nietczsche
In 1921, our Belgian troops followed the French into the occupation of the German industrial area to impose the impossible repair payments of Versailles, and drove them into hyperinflation, hunger and despair. Who were the monsters that never gave the Weimar democracy a chance, when they only wanted to annihilate a defeated country?
@@Pouncer9000 What they asked in 1870 was lenient compared to what Louis XIV pilfered around 1700, and given that France declared war on 1870 to snatch even more.
Difficult to say what anyone would do when put in the same situation. World war two was a long bloody war with so many people killed and hurt and families lost on all sides.
It’s about morals. You have to enjoy killing people to intentionally do that… claiming that “we are in war” Is not a valid excuse to kill helpless individuals. No one wants to live in a world where it is kill or be killed. And if you are put in that situation like being in war, you have to be one sick individual to want to continue to kill people even when they couldn’t possibly fight back.
My grandmothers brother had several photos of the destruction and death he witnessed during WW2 as an American in an artillery unit. A couple were of US airmen lying in a field dead, in their chutes, with the inscription on the back "shot while bailing out"
If a plane is hit and the pilot bails out while the attacking pilot is still firing, there is a high chance to be hit during the inital fall. If you watch old guncamera movies, you often see a lot of firing even after the canopy was ejected indicating clearly that the pilot intends to bale out. That was war and pilots wanted to make sure, that the plane would not fight again. To shoot at allied airmen hanging in their chutes was a very rare incident.
Thank you, for the "REAL VOICE" narrative. -- I get SO TIRED(!!) of the mechanical/computerized "voicings" done on "History" videos. -- Blessings on you your House, Sir.
Those Bomber crews were delibertly bombing the most densely populated suburbs in German cities, delibertly targeting woman and children to demoralise the men who were away at war. If they had killed my children, my wife, my sisters, my mother with their incendiary bombs I would shoot the bastards in their parachutes too.
Truth Seeker, the Germans shouldn’t have started the War then. What about the millions of Jews the Germans murdered? What about the raids on London and other UK cities? Now they are still trying to take over Europe via the EU.
@@brianreay4104 There is no justification for bombing densely populated suburbs full of woman and children to demoralise their menfolk away defending their country. 2nd It was France and England who started ww2 when they declared war on Germany. Before you offer the tripe that Germany invaded Poland, Polish leaders were boasting in their News Papers they were going to bring war to Germany whether Germany wanted it or not and they were going to stage another land grab on German soil and move the border just outside of Berlin. 3 days before Germany invaded Poland the Polish army had been mobilised to effect that land grab, Germany simply beat them to the punch. Regarding the other matter you might consider researching "The Great Stab in The Back" Google will not help you with that research BTW. Also it was Germany who thwarted Stalin's ambition to conquer all of Europe, they saved western Europe and payed a terrible price for it.
Can you imagine what little would have really been left of his carcass after being struck with 50 caliber armor piercing and incindiary rounds? “Mince meat!”
While commonly held as noncombatants after bailing, the Germans especially in the late war time frame of 44-45 felt that was not the case until the airmen were captured. The shooting of aircrew under silk was still not widely executed except between German and Soviet pilots who were in a "total war" mindset.
Adolf Galland, when he became chief of the Luftwaffe fighter pilots, issued orders that pilots were not shoot defenseless pilots in Parachutes, its recorded in more than one of his books. Eric Hartmann records in his story that fighter pilots in his squadron were to also not shoot down enemy pilots in parachutes. Hartmann also refers to an incident whereby a Russian ace, shot down a German plane that the pilot belly landed his aircraft inside Russian lines, the Russian pilot, an ace as he was deemed saw the plane on the ground and cockpit empty, he landed his plane and looked for the German pilot, when he found him on the ground, whereby the Russian pilot murdered him on the ground. The incident recorded by this U.S pilot is also recorded in one of the books that Galand wrote, when asked about the incident. What was also in one of the books was the U.S pilots version of what took place. On patrol he noticed a U.S bomber and the crew of it bailing out, he was shocked to see the German in a 109 attacking the crew that had bailed out, his account of the incident, only speaks of seeing A crewmember in a parachute being machine gunned by the german pilot, with that he was angry, and made for that plane, and shot it down, also killing the German pilot. Galland and the vast majority of German fighter pilots held on to that edict all through the war. To get a real picture of all that tookk place, many of the young German pilots had very shoot lifes owing to their limited training, and the air superiority of the Allied air forces both day and night fighters & bombers, one would wonder how many of his own family had been killed in the hundreds of German cities from allied bombers, also strafing ground troops, what of the DDay invasion and with the Allied troops not making ground, allowed the US air force and RAF to bomb local French & Belgium Cities, killing many thousands of civilians. I watched a show last night on the 38days of the DDay landings, compare the numbers of civilians, killed in the Allied bombings, likewise the numbers of civilians killed in the Naval bombardments with their battleships with heavy guns that also caused civilian and German casualties. War era stories have a heck of a lot of truth in them, also there were many not quite true. I do not condone what took place, but how many German troops were shot with the hands up wanting to surrender. At that time of the war, a vast number of the Werhmach troops were conscript teenagers, with few veterans trying to help them. In the Normandy battles, the German soldiers lost over 280 troops, how many allied? under 100.000
@@schlagetor how many civilians were killed intentionally in Poland through out the 1939 campaign by Luftwaffe or Wehrmacht and through out the rest of the WWII in street round ups and mass executions by firing squads? Not all Luftwaffe pilots were like Adolf Galland or Franz Stigler.
@@schlagetor well said but you should add that the Americans were strafing German civilians in towns in the final months of war that had hardly anything to do with military targets. It is well documented on American footages. But this attitude was brutally pursued by the allies. Regarding the truth there is a saying that in war there is no truth....
@@voyteka1870 Mate, some years back I purchased weekly mags, Purnells History of the Second World, sold them off owing to the amount of distortions in the whole series. As I got older and with health problems that has me restricted I regained my interest in the European war, could not do it with the Pacific owing to three of my uncles being guests of his royal highness the emperor of Japan for 4 years before returning home as skin & bones and had ongoing re-pat treatments for the rest of their lifes. The European WW2 theatres got me reading agin, I have an old book that caught my eye Der Ritzergruss de Luftwaffe, a very thick book and I still learn from it today, one other is The Story of Heinz Wolfgand Schnaufer, sad as to his ending. Over the cause of the last 12 months I have purchased quite a number of both Luftwaffe based books, also many on the Wehrmacht, several deal with Stalingrade, also a fair amount are on the Eastern fronts, the lose of lifes for no good reason, and given some of the incidents that took place on both sides, I suggest there is a degree of terrible areas that every side took part in, both as foot sloggers, Panzer aces and then how many were murdered, how was there no punishment of the Cossacks and Russians involved in The Korsun Slaughter, against German troops with their weapons thrown away and hands up wanting to surrender? In looking at the book Sniper on the eastern front, it brings other areas out as to how both sides used tactics that would be deemed as War Crimes. At the end of that book, as the troops were heading back to Germany to surrender to the U.S army, there was an arguement when Russian forces finally caught up with the German Troops who were unarmed, the Russians demanded their being taken as Russian POW's and the Yanks moved back, with that the Russian troops opened fire and murdered the vast majority of the unarmed Germans. I am near finished ready the book After Hitler, deals with the events after Hitlers suicide, to a degree the arrogance of the Allied leaders in their demands against Donist and all the Germans & officers, treating them with total disdain. The Luftwaffe like all the various military arms of the German military, were not all innocent, with their bombing of civilian towns and cities. The only piece of somewhat less than the RAF, USAF along with the Russians did not thankfully in one sense have large bombers like the other two protagonists, that does not relieve them of their guilt in bombing civilian targets, prior to Barbarossa. Yet their bombings pale in comparison to what Germany had to go through during WW2.
The Russian pilots had every right to shoot German pilots the Germans believed in the total destruction of Russia is genocide and enslavement these Germans caused the death of nearly sixty million people many of them completely inocent in the death camps how can you call it murder to shoot Nazis the idea that the German air force were not responsible for the Nazi regime they caught for and tried to impose on the rest of us is niece at best and pro fascist at worst it's a pity the allies didn't kill them all and that includes those still alive today hang the filthy Nazi scum
My Dad's brother, George Lynn Peterson, a B-24 pilot shot down over Germany in March '44, was from South Dakota. Lots of Scandinavian and German history behind those who bravely defended Europe. Still, it is ironic that war has rules (or had them) where integrity mattered.
Fighter pilots have respect for each other. They don't shoot people, they shoot aircrafts. A fighter pilot without his plane, slowly parachuting down to the ground, is nothing more than a civilian at that point
A brave warrior (fighter pilot in this case) is, almost always, magnanimous. He won't ever be able take any pride in telling the story of gunning down a pilot, who has already bailed out of the aircraft.
There's a reason the P-51 was re-designated the F-51 after the war and was being used as a ground attack fighter as late as the end of the Vietnam War. Probably the greatest prop engine fighter ever built.
Yes. They changed the designation 'P' = 'Pursuit' to 'F' = Fighter about 1947, I believe when the Air Force became a separate branch of service from the Army. 'P' became 'Photo' as in 'Photo Reconnaissance'' as it was 'F' Foto. Reconnaissance also had a 'R' prefix of it's own
Australian ace Clive Caldwell would also kill pilots under the parachute, but only if they were likely to fall behind their lines. If they fell into places where they would likely be captured by the allies, he wouldn't do so. He was not a sadist that way, just pragmatic. He saw one of his fellow squadron mates killed by the Axis like that, and that took away his hangups about killing bailed-out pilots. Check his story out...
Reminds me of the story of the U-boat that picked up the crew and prisoners of a sinking allied POW ship, after mistaking it for a Navy ship and torpedoing it . They had to surface of course which meant American patrols picked it up. The U-boat said they would wait and allow the crew and prisoners to be picked up if they let them go afterward. The Americans decided not to and started bombing the U-boat while the allies were still sat on top of it.
@@cunninguncle208akaanutlapu7 Well you see, due to the laconia incident, Admiral Karl Dönitz issued the Laconia order which prohibited U Boats from helping these survivors of their attacks. During the Nürnberg trials, the allies tried to use the fact that Karl Dönitz issued this order as evidence of war crimes to get him prosecuted. It backfired spectacularly when the public learned of the reason behing the order.
I´d say that shooting at parachutes (regardless their nationality) is almost as ruthless as bombing cities and killing innocent civilians out of insanity (the madness of war), with the difference that if the bailed out pilot survives and is lucky enough to land on friendly territory (or on enemy one and somehow manage to return to base) he may pick another plane and come back to kill you, as must have happened dozens of times in the war.
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Well did he marry that woman?
Why do we care about this now? It seems a little late to worry about this now. Bullshit, it happened all the time, especially the Germans. Sorry for your luck.
Sorry, I call BS on this story.
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How is it news if it’s from ww2? We’ll get a newsletter that says Breaking News! The German Sixth Army was surrounded & General Paulus just capitulated and the Stalingrad pocket has been liquidated in the Soviet counter offensive. Maria is live in the heart of the city where German prisoners were recently marched off into captivity. Maria, what’s it look like at ground zero of this groundbreaking development? Well Chip as you can see there’s kids swinging on a playground behind me and I asked them what they thought about their city being liberated and they all seem to be in a state of disbelief because not one could give me their thoughts on the situation. I mean for such fierce fighting Chip about 80 years ago the city seems to be adjusting to life with the German withdrawal. We’ll see what happens...Oh wait Maria sorry to cut you off but it seems that the allies have landed on the beaches of Normandy literally just 78 years ago. We’re gonna keep y’all posted with news and developments as we get them here in the studio....Oh wait! More breaking news out of Berlin, the red army are storming the German reichstag as of April the 5th 1945! Boy this is major news stories arriving out of Europe!
I have a story I feel I have to share . My dad was a WW2 vet. he was in the 1st armored Division he was in North Africa and Italy . His tank was hit when he was in Italy and it caught fire A lieutenant by the name of Green bailed out the top and gave no help to his crew , my dad did his best to help the crew get out the trap door in the bottom of the tank I think the co driver died in the tank and not sure who all survived . My dad came out the drivers hatch and when he was coming out he he shot some Germans off the roof of a farm house , during the exchange of fire my father was shot and and ran into some olive vineyards and was later picked up by some of the Germans that he was just shooting at . Some of the young Germans wanted to kill my dad because he had killed some of their friends , the older sergeant was in charge and would not let that happen instead he patched him up and gave him some food and wine , after some time he sent the young guys off ans spoke in English to my dad . He asked my dad where are you from , my dad said PA. the sergeant said what part of PA. are you from my dad said Scranton the sergeant said really , what part of Scranton my dad said North Scranton the sergeant then started to name a few local bars and asked my dad if he had ever drank in them my dad said yes I have how the hell do you know them? The sergeant said I am from Bethlehem PA and worked in the steel mills and I was visiting family when the war broke out and was unable to leave and go back to the USA. and was forced to fight . He stayed with my dad and took care of him as long as he could . I had to share this and say even in war some good people show up and do good thing. I hope I was not to long winded . And even during war it is a small and good world.
Fred,that was a superb story.I wonder what ever happened to the leutientant that ran off?Your father was a good man,that's why the spirit of CHRIST saved him.No doubt about that!!!
@@markpaul8178 thank you
Not long winded mate , its good to hear of humanity. Cheers.
Did you dad and the German ever reconnect after the war? Stories like this one are really compelling. My dad was born in Germany and was fluent in German. He move with his parents and sister to New York in 1927 at age 4 and grew up in the US. He became a US citizen and served in the US Navy during WWII on PT boats. He was later deployed to the Philadelphia Navy Yards because the US needed electricians. He was there when German U-boat U-505 was captured by an American destroyer skipper from Chicago. The sub was heavily damaged but the skipper had influencial friends in Chicago and got government funding to restore the German submarine. My father was instrumental in helping the restoration with his fluency in German enabling him to translate the German controls and instrumentation instructions. That submarine was completely restored and is now housed in the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. My family has been there and we toured the inside of the boat and read the history. Now we know the end of the story. Too bad my father was not alive to know where the sub ended up and that later we got to see some of his handywork. Wow, what stories there are out there of history and its aftermath!
Excellent story, I love hearing accounts of the war like that.
My dad had a friend who flew in WW2. He said that at the end of the war the Germans had their jet plane. There was no hope for Germany, but they ordered the jets to attack the American’s anyway. His friend related that a jet had him dead to rights, but didn’t fire. He came along side, waved and flew off. He was a warrior not a killer.
That's nice, but it is more likely the jet pilot was out of ammo. They didn't have much on board to begin with.
@@johnculver6994 beat me to it.
@@thewiseoldherper7047 then why he would wave?
later in the war, lot of germans started hating hitler and the nazi party
for example even the crew of the Bismark didn't surrender but they removed hitler's pictures and didn't salute
@@zazugee You could be right. There were documented examples of similar events. But most of the time that wasn’t the case. We will really never know. The jet pilot flying alongside and saluting was a very brave and unusual act either way and worthy of respect.
@@zazugee Most of the Kreigsmarine hated Hitler and the Nazi Party and very few Nazi Party Members close to Hilter's beliefs were allowed to join. Dörnitz himself didn't like Hitler. The Kriegsmarine were critically underfunded and after 1942 were left for dead as their missions to raid Atlantic shipping were becoming suicidal.
I recall a TH-cam history lesson regarding this. It was found that one German luftwaffe commander threatened each of his pilots that he would personally shoot anyone who shot down a pilot in his parachute.
Most higher-ups understand why, morality aside, it's a bad idea to shoot your enemy in their parachutes over your own land.
A German bails over England, and dead or alive he's gone for the war.
A German bails over German controlled land, and if he lives they get to use him again.
Unless they piss the enemy off, and the enemy starts shooting German pilots in their parachutes.
If i remember correctly franz stigler was apart of a unit whos commander said if i see or hear of anyone shooting a enemy in there parachute i will personally shoot you my self
@@kaidanpeckham1939 Hans Joachim Marseille was also part of that group ,JG27 ,I think. They considered themselves chivalrous honorable warriors . They also only referred to "victories" not Kills ,and would risk flights to allied airfields to drop messages to inform of a downed airmans condition. Very few Luftwaffe guys were Nazis and even though Stigler wanted to avenge his Brothers death ,and earn his knights cross ,his humanity and training won through.
@@kaidanpeckham1939 Gustav Rödel was the commander
That kind of morality doesn’t sound like the Luftwaffe in World War 2. The Third Reich was a notoriously brutal regime of fear, genocide and dominance, predominantly across Europe with Germany as its epicentre. Don’t forget that they were under Adolf Hitler’s command. My apologies if I’m wrong, but such humility doesn’t seem synonymous with the Nazis. I’m only going by what I learned in history class.
It's important to document events like this for historical perspective. Kudos to you for taking on the task of communicating such an unpleasant event in WWII history.
“Unpleasant event in WWII history”….uhhhhhh
There was a story of a B-17 that had been so badly damaged it was assumed nobody could have survived inside. Indeed, there were several crew fatalities, but the plane was still being flown by it's badly injured pilot. A 109 came to finish it off, but seeing the state of the aircraft, the pilot elected to signal them to land. He refused. So the German saluted and flew away, leaving the bomber to successfully make it to England. After the war, the bomber pilot lived in Canada and couldn't escape the wondering thought of the man who saved his life. Ended up the German pilot survived the war too, and they met and became great friends. The German said "I had a strict commanding officer who once said 'If I hear of anyone shooting at a man in a parachute, I will shoot you myself'. After seeing the state of the bomber, I felt like the men inside were in a parachute and I couldn't shoot at them."
names of Pilots were Charles Brown and Franz Stigler . Just typing here or Googling their names you find their whole story.The German headed the B17 in direction to UK till he was to the end of his autonomy range. Once back he reported he shooted the B17 and she crashed into the sea.. Thanks to other comment it is now possible to give him an identity (see replies to comment posted by Robert bishop)
Yeah we all know the story. I don’t consider this a warcrime tho. Very well earned.
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Interesting video that hits close to home. Richard "Bud" Peterson was my father. I call this story of his the "Angel of Death Story". To be honest, it's not one of his or my favorites, but it's true. He felt a responsibility as a bomber escort to protect these bomber crews, and as he recounts, when he saw that Me109 pilot individually killing those men in their chutes, it angered him to that action. You could see the anger every time he told that story. Actually, you depict the parachute attacks on the chutes, but in reality, the German was shooting the men themselves as they hung in their chutes. Terrified and helpless against an inevitable doom, waiting as he picked off their friends one by one. One can only imagine the fear of the anticipation of that. In considering the ethics of the story, imagine the relief of those in chutes who were saved and survived. This story was excerpted from a documentary film the producer made of several top aces of the 357th FG. There were several other more memorable stories from Bud that draw a more accurate, full picture of his warm, outgoing personality. For the most part, he was a fun-loving, gregarious, happy-go-lucky fellow with countless friends. He was one of four top aces of the 357th, and the highest scoring ace of the 364th Fighter Squadron. The Chicago Tribune once wrote an article about him entitled "Shepherd of the Skies" explaining how he repeatedly returned to the target area to help damaged bombers return by protecting them from further attack. His favorite story was about bringing his fighter squadron back to Leiston in a fog and landing each and every one of them without any ILS system. He had some extraordinary dogfighting stories too that he often shared with friends at lunch. In reality, my mother was his bride-to-be at home, not yet his wife, when she wrote those letters ending in "Hurry Home Honey". They married in April 1945, just after Bud returned from his second tour of duty. Lastly, there were very few older, veteran fighter pilots in his fighter group. they were all very young...most were just 20 to 23 years old. Bud was 21 when he got his first P-51 in Leiston. They simply learned from themselves as they recounted their experiences after the missions. As they became more experienced and even better fighter pilots, they realized that new, rookie, infill pilots needed to be taught some basics about being a successful fighter pilot after too many of them were shot up in their first few missions when they had no idea what they were doing. Bud developed "Clobber College" calling himself the Dean of this school where the veteran fighter pilots and aces of the 357th would share advice and tips to the new pilots to keep them out of trouble. Take care, thanks for the memories.
Thank's for your story!!
Wow. Amazing story about your dad. I feel like I would've done exactly the same as him given the circumstances. Wish I could've listened to some of his stories at lunch too. Take care and thanks to your dad for his service!! My dad did 25 in the US Navy!
You made my cry, you should be very proud of your father.
Thank You for sharing your Dad's story. My Dad was in Sipan "Army" . He was from a family of 10. My Mom was from a family of 6. Her older brother John was at Omaha beach. The night before D day all were having dinner when he was approached by an officer, it was his and my Mom's brother n law. Uncle John told me this story before he died; how all the men that he fought with thought it was a big deal that an officer would sit down and eat with all the enlisted guys, even if it was his sister's husband. He said that was the last time he ever saw him. He was shot down in his B17 Flying Fortress some time during or just after D day. What My mom's family didn't find out for years is that he had survived the plane being shot down. He was killed in the act of, or after escaping a German prison camp.
P.s. My Uncle John spent his life in the Army and retired in the 1970s. He told me that he trained on every armored vehicle that we had up until retirement.
German pilots would have shot their own for doing that. The Luftwaffe didn’t condone that AT ALL. Thus the story of the 109 helping the B17 to the coast of France
Goering himself a (former) war pilot stricly forbade shooting bailing airmen may be for fair play but even for a fair treatment of POW pilots and crews: that BF109 pilot should have shot down by his mates or report him to a firing squad.
Prefer former to a Poetic Justice.
@@Matteo-ks6fn The pilot of the BF 109 that helped the B17 get back to the coast explained after the war that their squadron’s commanding officer gave them a standing order “Any pilot that takes themselves out of the fight, or hits the silk, you leave them be or I will shoot you myself!” The German pilots considered themselves “knights of the air” and many had Teutonic emblems painted on their planes.
@@lemmdus2119 Sense of Honor. True one. Or you just a mugger beating an elderly for a wirstwatch. Simple is that.
Helping an enemy bomber return to its base is just too much to bear. Even though a helpless enemy soldier who is unarmed shall be given the chance to surrender and become a PoW there is no justification for letting a bomber aircraft with all the guns aboard get away. Especially a heavily armed aircraft that just recently dropped a bomb load most probably on a city. This german pilot got far too sentimental with a distorted view of chivalry or whatever could have been the real motivations behind his action if ever it even occurred which I doubt. It was much more indicated and more according to the rules of honorable engagement that the fighter plane pilot signifies to the enemy bomber crew that they have to lower their altitude in order to surrender with the plane or bail out which would be possible if there are no wounded airman on board. Whatever the condition of the entire crew.. there was at least one pilot steering the plane capable to follow the orders. To surrender! Or continue the fight. Nothing else. Otherwise the enemy bomber must be destroyed. Imagine an American jet pilot getting sentimental when he encounters a bunch of hijackers just missing a tower in New York on board of their aircraft because they took hostile fire.. Should he be so nice to escort them with crocodile tears in his eyes because they only came to kill and got a technical problem on their way? Anybody dropping bombs on cities had forfeited his "right" to return safely to his base if we put ourselves in the shoes of the targeted side. Therefore this German fighter pilot in this supposed to have happened event is rather pathetic and a looser.
@@arespredator2759 the plane was disabled, for all purposes the plane was "killed"
“And that was the end of that”. A lot to unpack in that simple closing
bro i actually got chills when he said that fucking legend
I literally felt the weight of his balls on the Earth when he said that. Actual badass.
many 50.cal bullets got _'unpacked'_ that day.
My WW2 grandfather, long since passed lived his life with regret that he had to kill enemy soldiers. He was forever sad about it and used to say how sorry he was. Absolutely no glory in it, just lifelong regret.
Both of my grandfathers fought against each other in WW2. My mom's father for the allies, my dad's fought for the Nazis.
It's a horrible price to pay just for fucking politics.
My father and three of my uncles saw combat and none of them ever talked about it. The did their jobs, came home, and got on with their lives
@@devilsoffspring5519 It was a lot more than "politics" my friend. In the US we have "politics." People are free to run for office and vote their conscientious. Nazi Germany wanted to take over the world and deny any semblance of liberty to anyone. They started at home in Germany first. Hitler told the world what he wanted to do in Mein Kampf. No, sorry, pal . . . the war between human freedom and Nazi evil is not "politics" like your local city council member's race.
War is hell, and always instigated by banksters and corporate oligarchs aka rich cowards .
Your grandfather has my deep respect. Audie Murphy always regretted killing German boys. Audie was a true hero too.
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More savage would have been to shred his parachute with the guns so he fell to his death.
@@gunner5916 Yeah, I thought that was what he would do. All the parachutists the German pilot killed were shown falling to their deaths when their parachutes were shredded by bullets. I'm not sure why shooting a defenseless parachutist isn't considered a war crime.
Western pilots - German, Russian and Allied generally avoided killing defenseless adversaries in their parachutes. The exception in WW2 though were the Japanese. They ruthlessly slew bailed out pilots when they got the chance.
There was not a universal agreement on shooting down airmen in parachutes. The British command during the BOB understood (not necessarily happy) that their airmen parachuting back to the ground fighting over England were sometimes considered valid targets by some Luftwaffe pilots as they could land and be back to their squadrons in hours while Luftwaffe pilots in parachutes were going to be captured. The roles reversed over Germany and while I’m not aware of US pilots targeting Luftwaffe pilots in parachutes in anything more than a specific instance, the same logic could be used as some Luftwaffe pilots survived multiple shoot downs yet continued to fight. Rules in warfare tend to get murky quickly.
On Dec 12, '41 all planes were shot on the ground P-40's and B-17's. A small contingent of ancient Boeing Peashooters, Philippine Air Force, 24 in all, 12 flyable but only 6 were armed and fueled. Capt Jesus Villamor flew, shot down a Zero and a GM3 His wingman Lt. Basa got a Zero but was shot down himself. He bailed out but was shot on parachute. The defenders had to rush to base and burn all remaining planes as the Japanese were advancing fast. He got a DFC but O'Hare on the other side of the world got a MOH.
Russian (Soviets) are/were not "western pilots"! Russian, Polish, Japanese and American pilots are recorded as shooting at enemy aircrew in parachutes!
The Japanese fighter pilots in 1942 New Guinea wore no parachutes, due to shortage.
By the way they considered rescue equipment of any kind as signs of cowardice.
So since they could not survive, why let their enemies do ?
This was their samurai-banzai-hara-kiri-seppuku-whatever logic.
@@Whitpusmc Trying some ordering of chaos.
I Heard this story when I was young on a documentary on the war over Europe, I was about 14 years old. I'm glad to see the younger generations retelling this story so that it will be remembered.
My Grandfather was a Luftwaffe fighter pilot and he had often mentioned that firing on bailed aircrew was seen as an absolute atrocity by pretty much all nations. In general, he had explained that the mentality of the military aviation pilots deviated somewhat from other military branches due to the fact that many of them had been drafted from civilian aviation which was already a sort of an elite in-group. It was much more acceptable to be critical of the regime or even of the war itself since good pilots were hard to come by and air combat was so deadly, it was hard to be patriotic about it. They would meet new faces each day and by the evening half of them would be dead already.
He would tell me stories of surprising kindness, pilots visiting their downed adversaries with flowers and gifts in the hospital and other acts of comradery among enemy nations.
Interestingly, he always made special mention of the Australian air force as being infamous for shooting at parachutes. He even had a thing or two to say about a few famous German fighter aces who pulled strings in order to be allowed to repeatedly fly superior model 109s on missions against vastly inferior russian planes and just down a bunch of them in order to accumulate ridiculous numbers of confirmed kills.
They were also torturing and killing 6 million innocent jews so I'm thinking killing aircrew in chutes wasn't all that hard for them.
@@ChuckTownRC51 that was the Nazis. There is a difference, it's like saying that the US Soldiers are Republican or Democrat. It was also generally the SS in charge of the camps, not rank and file German army. Please learn the difference before making an uneducated comment
@@ChuckTownRC51 Well yes the nazi's did that, but not all Germans were nazi's Jimbo
@@ChuckTownRC51 if they where like you I think it had to be done.
What you describe was also partially at play in the navies (well, except for Japan, as always).
My theory is that it's due to having a shared enemy.
Pilots are not just combating each other, but also gravity itself (and possibly their plane, if badly maintained due to shortages of parts).
For sailors, the sea can be more deadly and relentless than the enemy.
This is why you often saw enemy ships save their own victims, or at least attempt to.
In that sense, if some bigger outside force reminds everyone of their shared humanity, war crimes become less prevalent.
Anyhow, thanks for sharing! :)
My grandpa had a situation where he and a scout patrol were on a boat.
Everyone was near the engine to keep warm - my grandpa sat on the edge, as he had heard of possible mines and had told his fellows such
They hit a mine.
3/4 of the patrol were killed instantly, my grandpa nearly was drowned as he got hit with the severed body of his officer
He managed to drag himself and this officer (who was still alive) to shore
He was then attacked by a German patrol, killing the officer, forcing my grandpa to use his body as a sandbag as he returned fire
He got captured, a German flanking him and trying to disable him instead of killing him
When he came to he was bound, his wounds bandaged. The same German standing between him and other soldiers
In the exchange of fire, my grandpa had hit some of the German patrol - killing 1-2 while wounding a few others
This German, a sergeant or an officer, said roughly “Kill a captured PoW and I will personally kill you myself, we are not Nazis. He fought as we fight. His fight is done.”
Later that German patrol was ambushed and everyone got killed but this German who got wounded.
My grandpa did the same for him, protecting him and tending to his wounds - after the war they both became friends who visited each other
My grandpa said he was the brave and threw one hell of a punch
That is an amazing story
@@johncapaldi7890 it's only an oxymoron until you've fought in a war bereft of them from one side. Although, it wasn't quite incumbent upon the other side, as they were non-uniformed and non-military, so were unlawful combatants.
The Geneva Conventions have strict requirements on what is permitted and required. One may only kill a prisoner in an authorized reprisal for war crimes committed by those same forces. So, when SS were gunned down, rather than being taken prisoner in France during WWII, it was because it was discovered that the Waffen SS was killing Allied prisoners of war. But, that decision is normally made by Generals, not junior commissioned like Majors. In this case, the Geneva Convention that covered parachuting air crew was approved in 1977, but practiced through most of WWII by Germany and the US until late in the war, when Hitler ordered parachuting crews shot on their parachutes, despite the gentlemen's agreement and the general staff objected that it was literally murder.
In the GWOT, the other side's combatants refused to abide by either the Geneva or Hague Conventions, but we were ordered to abide by them.
Interestingly, a surprising number of captured EPW's then bragged about upcoming operations that'll "make you pay". Miranda isn't in any of the articles of war, so we took notes and reported them up, to intercept the idiot's buddies.
Hey, the smart terrorists are the bosses, that's how they became bosses, by surviving. The rest, not exceptionally bright, but certainly enthusiastic, buying the entire abuse of religious leader's line, hook, line and sinker.
Never interrupt an adversary when he's making a mistake. Sun Tzu.
Kinda interesting he said we are not Nazis. It makes me feel bad for the German soldiers during the war. They were off fighting and dying while their government and private army was off killing innocent people.
A good number of the German soldiers were professional soldiers. In my old time farming community, one fellow was a despondant hero from WWII who was in a 'fight to the last man' situation; only he and a medic survived. He was part of a group holding a forward viewing post and the Germans were determined to take them out. After a bloody rancous fire fight, they sent in a half track to ram into the house and finish him off. He was a BAR carrier, and the last one firing; hearing and seeing the half track he crawled out into some bushes and ambushed it at hand shake distance. He had two clips of heavy Blacktip AP rounds, which he shot the driver through a view slit, then the top machine gunner, reloaded and put his last clip through the full side of the thing, killing everyone in it. He was shot again doing this action, and throw back in the house with the Medic as the Germans took over the house; they took all his papers, including the two Bibles he carried with him, but later returned them as they gave him aide. The German commander had seen his braverly, and told all about that he was Ein Soldat (a real soldier). Other senior soldiers came in to meet him, as an honor, for his selfless fighting spirit and bravery. As he was passed down the line as a prisoner, his guard would point him out to others that had heard about his fight, murmmering, he is the Ein Soldat!
@@johnshields9110 many of mankind's best soldiers were farmers. :)
This brutal practice was more prevalent, I believe, among Japanese pilots in the Pacific Theater.....though all sides were probably guilty of it at times. A lot of pilots that bailed out recount that they delayed opening chutes until closer to the ground because of this.
Australians were notorious for it, too.
Must be that Pacific air to blame.
@@DamazViccar Nah, just war is hell. Going through that shared experience, a man tends to get real close to his squad mates. Then after some assbag smears one or two of them, the line between duty and war crime starts to get really blurry. Not excusing war crimes but I can understand what goes through a man's mind when he drops hammer on a EPW.
Given how the Japanese made it habitual to slaughter civilians...
On the Doolittle Raid ... several B25's ran out of fuel before landfall and had to ditch in the water. Not that all survived, and not that all the survivors were mistreated, but three of the survivors were pulled from the sea by a destroyer's launch then taken to the destroyer. The three surviving crew members were immediately questioned while on deck. Each only gave their name, rank, and serial number. The ship's Captain said "you have attacked our country and killed many people". The leader of the group responded "We lost a lot of friends at Pearl Harbor". The Captain of the ship ordered a section of anchor chain (+/- 30lbs) attached to their legs and threw them overboard.
In SE Asia (1969) I saw the results of what the enemy did to our soldiers. I also watched what our soldiers did to them. It's not something to speak of ... but it happens in WAR.
Yes, the Japanese pilots were infamous for the practice.
I never knew the phrase “ you’re about to meet your maker buddy” could sound so badass and casual at the same time
That was how they were back then, casual and deadly
that german pilot must've been like "oh hell, i know what happens next." the second he bailed out of his plane.
The chicken shit should have rode it in. Too much a coward for that as well.
He got what was coming
North American P-51 Mustang:
Bang! Bang! Bang! Vroom! Bang! Bang!
I have to wonder if he even thought an Allied pilot would do such a thing.
Until he saw the plane circle back around. Then I'm sure he filled his flightsuit with stank.
@@ElementofKindness got a tough guy here, huh?
Another big reason not to do this was because you'd be vulnerable to other enemy fighters who'd definitely give you karma when they made you bail
"karma" it´s senseless from beauty saloon magazines...
@@Bacanalable Karma is from Hinduism and Buddhism, religions that've been around thousands of years longer than Christianity.
@@warhammer1 Bddhism it´s not a religion, in fact it hasn´t gods...but it´s the same senseless.
The CG doesn't quite do the story justice. I wanted to see the dude explode from 6 .50 caliber guns lighting him up.
@@Bacanalable A religion doesn't have to have gods. Buddhism is a religion.
My English grandma told me she was working on her dairy farm one day in the early 40's when a RAF / Luffewaffe dogfight happened near her in the skies. She watched them shoot at each other for a while, but then kept doing farm work like any other day. She eventually heard some planes hit the ground a ways away - but the thing she'll never forget - a parachute landed at the next door neighbour's field - said the RAF pilot was motionless and had no body below the chest other than ribs, bones and blood. Could you imagine seeing that? Neighbours cleaned it up by burning the remains on the spot where he landed. RIP Lest We Forget
Can i imagine seeing that? >.> oh no no, i've seen much worse 😂
@@TheOneHandedCooksman I think he means from his grandmothers prospective. All active servicemen have witnessed such.
@@user-itschad1954 War aint kind, or pretty.
Get away, you're kidding aren't you.
You do know we American patriots will be going to war against Britain soon, don't you.
“I didn’t want to blow him up. I wanted him to bail.” Was a cold ass line 🥶
My dad was a WWII veteran who had taken several prisoners through the war. They treated the Wehrmacht prisoners well. The one group that was less likely to be taken prisoner were the SS following the Malmedy massacre. This German pilot that was killed was about the same as those SS. Dad survived 3 major campaigns including the Bulge and just died last year at 95. This was an amazing generation and there are very few still with us.
My mums US WW2 Paratrooper Boyfriend in London was in D-Day/Battle of the Bulge etc. I found him in 2015. He came to Australia and they had Valentines Day together. 😱😊
Men like your dad are part of the Greatest Generation . They saved us.
My NY city grandfather ended up as a horseback POW patrolman in Texas. It was labor but they were certainly treated well.
The Mamady massacre was in retaliation of the women and children burned alive in German cities.
@@michaelwhisman R-r-r-r-ight.
"You've met your maker buster" Minnesota quotes
murdering an unarmed pilot well done great american hero!!!! yanks are biggest warmongers in the world
Fair play!
Huh?
An American quote
@@johnfarrell5075 yea after said unarmed pilot mowed down countless American pilots in the same exact way. Please pull your head out of your a**
I don't know how long ago they interviewed this gentleman but he still looks like he can jump in a P-51 and still take down enemy planes.
Died in 2000 aged 77
@@CountvonCount33 God speed to him.
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You just don´t get it, do you? That guy was a murderer, no more, no less.
@@gerardfrederick5504 Yes, but context matters, he's a murderer who killed a man whom he and others witnessed murdering several of their defenseless fellow airmen. Would you have just let the guy continue to shoot down defenseless bomber crew?
My grandfather was a British Artillery Gunner for the full length of the war. When it was over he wouldn’t talk to me about it and he never went to any parades or memorials. He didn’t want his medals so my mum secretly applied for them to give to me.
When they arrived he saw them, grabbed them and threw them in the kitchen bin and shouted “They are nothing to be proud of, we did some terrible, evil things!”
He died of alcoholism when I was 9. I asked my grandma what happened to him, she just said”I do know, let’s just say neither side was innocent”.
Most of them had no choice, and I as a Dane am ever thankful for those who helped liberate my country from the Nazi scourge, had they not done so, things would have been a _lot_ worse for all of us in the occupied countries. I'm sorry to hear your grandfather ended up the way he did, clearly he must've been a good man, if what he saw and had to do drove him to the bottle. My own grandfather was involved in the resistance movement, and although he wasn't in one of the "liquidation" groups taking care of collaborators, I think the war broke something inside him, he never spoke of his experiences, but I know from other sources that he was a ship torcher.
danes, they did shit through the war and then enjoyed themselves sending german kids to their death cleaning mines barehanded
"We did some terrible, evil things" Like Operation Gomorra and Operation Thunderclap, for example...
Respect to your grandfather for fighting in the war and protecting freedom, and I totally understand his position as being someone in the war. As we have learned more and more, it becomes more and more obvious that the Axis powers got exactly what was coming to them.
6:58
*"With 800 rounds a minute you can do alot of damage with 50 caliber shells from 6 guns"*
🤭savage level 100%!
Thus, the minced meat.
That's why he should have shot the parachute. Made the prick suffer longer
@@blueluny , you need to put aside war-hatre, even most soldiers believes in fair fight. You had a fair fight so no hate here. If you want to hate then hate snipers because they don't do fair fights. grow up
A beast of a war criminal. Not better than the german foe. A pair of butchers.
Then there's the WWII story of Owen John Baggett, the only person to shoot down a plane with a handgun -- from a parachute. Owen and his crew had bailed out of their badly damaged, burning B24 and was floating down over Berma . Japanese Zeros were shooting the men in their parachutes. They killed two of his crew and Owen was shot in the arm. Still in his harness, Baggett thought it best to play dead, hoping to fool the Japanese fighters. However, he pulled his .45 caliber gun out of its holster and rested it against the side of his leg. This quick-thinking would save his life.
One of the Japanese fighters came back to double check that Baggett was really dead. But in the process, the enemy pilot made a fatal mistake: he opened his canopy to take a better look. That’s when Owen raised his pistol and took four shots at the Japanese pilot. The pilot had slowed the plane to near stalling speed to look at Baggett, and now it went into a spin before it was lost to sight.
th-cam.com/video/gWm3SHdlb9g/w-d-xo.html
Yes, I know of this. That's some serious badass rambo stuff that if put in a film would not be believed
His telling of it gave me goosebumps
Thats what happens when you listen to a Warcriminalwho proudly recalls his deeds.
First, you misspelled war hero. Secondly shooting bailed out crew was not made illegal until after the war in 49. Thirdly, you're defending the killing of a Nazi. I'll bet you thought Kyle was guilty as well. Piss off commie.
Damn straight buddy, thank you!!! My dad was in the old army air corps, bless your soul. I know you didn't want to do that but you were chosen to exact justice for our helpless guys. Rest my friend. Rest.
If this is your point of view, then you are disgusting.
You hated what german pilot did to american pilot but praising the american pilot who did the same thing.?😂😂😂
I think this P51 pilot was no better than the German pilot.
An asshole this US pilot was !
Not just justice, but also to save the lives of other pilots as this guy would have surely been given another plane to fly and would most certainly continue his murderous campaign against American pilots in chutes.
I remember hearing of this somewhere as it stirred some controversy even in the Luftwaffe. As said in the video, both sides left downed aviators alone. That's it, they were out of the fight. This incident invited a never ending series of reprisals. Some Luftwaffe pilots wanted to do the same but one of the higher ranking officers threatened he'd shoot anyone that attack a man in a parachute.
This whole event was pretty much an aberration compared to the rest of the air war conduct between the Axis and Western Allies.
did you watch an interview of a ex luftwaffe pilot by any chance?
what you describe is just what ive seen
I'd be surprised that Luftwaffe pilot wouldn't have been court-martialed for shooting down US bomber crew in their 'chutes. It wasn't just chivalry...the US pilots/crew were more than likely, if they weren't badly wounded already and going to die, to end up in a POW camp. The war for THEM was over. If a German pilot had to bail from his stricken plan over German-held territory, provided he wasn't also wounded, he was back in the fight. Quite a few LW pilots did sortie that very day after being shot down...talk about "Get BACK on the HORSE!".
German bandits from the Luftwaffe very often and willingly shot at the Allied airmen who were rescuing themselves by parachuting. They were equally eager to attack and kill civilians on earth from 1939 to 1945. Currently, there is a media campaign presenting the Germans as the first victims of Hitler, while over 90% of Germans were hot Nazis. You have to REMEMBER about it
@@markgoz4118 the most of the german forces were not nazis. German forces got hard rules. rape or torture or kill civilians was often ending in front of an firing squad. And Luftwaffe attacked mostly war legal targets. if your city has 1 factory which produced war material, the complete city was a legal war target. the regular german forces did not more crimes than the allies or russians.
@@markgoz4118 so ?
Where exactly do those claims of 90 percent come from ?
Is that a scientific fact or just a blant statement by somebody that clearly has anti german Sentiment ?
Hitler was voted in with 51 percent
And only because there was nothing better to vote for at the time
"So that was the end of that" Exactly sir.
FYI: Really bad, bad things happen in wars. That's why should be avoided. About 20 years ago I had the chance to ask a lot of WWII veterans about their experiences and everyone of them at the end said it should never happen again.
That is nice, but welcome to the real world
We also have no idea what was going on in the mind of the German pilot, if he was just a fanatic out to out hitler hitler, then he dang sure got what he deserved. But by the time P-51Ds were escorting, this was late war and the bombing was killing a LOT of civilians. How would any of us reacted if during the past couple of days we learned our mother, father, little brother and sister, and another teen sibling had been completely wiped out in a bombing raid and burned to ashes? That takes a sharp left turn from cold-blooded killer and into the fog of war just as the P-51 pilot did. This is why war is heII, never goes the way people think as they tend to see it almost like a sports game at first, and the outcome is far from certain.
FYI: No shit? Bad things happen in war? I had no freaking clue. 🤣😂
Oh really these idiots die in war wow I never would've thunk it!
@@anthonycaruso8443Don't be a douche
What an awesome story. WW2 soldiers were incredible men. God bless them all.
Hitler was also a soldier. Should god bless him too?
??? he murdered a dude though?
I saw another video by this same pilot, where he described the very first time he shot down a German airplane: the German pilot bailed out, apparently unharmed, Mr. Peterson remembered seeing the German pilot drifting past him in his parachute, and the German pilot saluted Mr. Peterson.
...AND NO, MR. PETERSON DIDN'T SHOOT AT THE GERMAN PILOT-(!)
Yes, that story was part of the same documentary and was one of his more favorite stories, unlike this parachute story. I am his son. It was the first of many enemy aircraft Bud shot down (he was a triple ace). He was quite thrilled to have won that first encounter as he watched the German pilot bail out and fly by the right side of his P-51. He said the German was wearing an immaculate, powder blue uniform with shiny, knee-high boots, and a white silk scarf around his neck. He said the German stood at attention, saluted him, and pulled his ripcord. Bud got a big kick out of that salute, and said it seemed so gallant and respectful. Perhaps it was a ploy to avoid being chased and shot, but Bud believed it was an honest gesture and returned the respect.
@@juddpeterson9100 ...and he mentioned that the German pilot was wearing gauntlets-(!)
"The whole nine yards" is the full amount of bullets a 50 caliber gun had in the wings.
It's a myth.
@Ben Mendolz If you think that's bad, just wait until you hear what the Germans and Japanese did
@Ben Mendolz Horrible and necessary.
"They sowed the wind, so now they shall reap the whirlwind"
@Ben Mendolz Cry me a river. If they didn't want to get bombed to shit, they shouldn't have supported Hitler.
This German pilot was out of the ordinary, as the German Pilots held themselves to a higher standard and weren't as rotten as some of the ground troops could be. He was lucky other German pilots didn't see what he was doing, or they may have gone after him themselves. Glad this guy took care of business and served him instant justice!
They did not, it was common practice to attack civilian columns 1939 Poland and shooting at parashoots
@@milkeywhey2998 both sides did that
like, both sides brutally murdered civilians
The reason many people have this perception of the German pilots is because most of their records were kept in Dresden which had a fire problem and so we're all destroyed. Therefore after the war when members of the other branches were put up on trial there wasn't enough evidence to put the pilots on trial. Also the experience very high casualty rates by the end of the war. Very few survived to see the end of it. There is unofficial accounts of some pretty heinous acts such as on their free time volunteering to go out with SS battalions in the rear and participate in those activities.
What a rotten business war is
One of the absolute best war stories on TH-cam 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
My Great uncle fought In the desert campaign with the 8th Army Desert Rats as an AT Gunner. Almost right through, 41 to 45. They still had to go on nightly combat patrols though. On one such patrol they were walking past along an old desert stone wall, about waist height when they saw another patrol heading the opposite way along the other side of the same wall. My uncles OC (Officer Commanding) that evening just thought it to be another allied recon and didnt pay them much attention, accept a usual nod and brief hello, the other party leader did the same.. But my uncle, Sgt Harold Norton was suspicious and as the last guy on the other side of the wall was passing him (he was tail end) they stared at each other and it became apparent they were 'enemies' it was a German Afrika korps patrol. My uncle said they just stared at each other, slowing their walk in shock, then nodded at each other, smiled and carried on. Nothing happened and my uncles patrol got back with no drama's he said haha, omg :))
I will never forget this, what he told me! I was just 12 when he did but is as clear as today. Just goes to show there was humanity even in the worst times. Bless them!
TF: my friends dad was fighting in Italy and tells a similar story on patrol. His group arrived at the southern end of an orchard, the same time the germans arrived at the north gate. They both circulated around the inner perimeter until the got back to where they started, halted and waved at each other and carried on.
@@drstrangelove4998 YES, Harold said it was near an orchard as well. Imagine if it was the same occurrence! How spiny would that be ! :))) xo
A story straight out of the D-Day movie.
@@drstrangelove4998 From the movie D-Day.
You're going to get all kinds of responses to your comment. I can't speak for WWII, but I can tell you that in SE Asia (1969) there were many "Phantom Patrols" where a platoon or a squad would be ordered to a particular map point for recon. The squad or platoon leader would simply go out of eye sight of the base and "hunker" for a few hours then report back. The only method of tracking was eye sight (not practical) and the RTO (radio telephone operator) who would call in occasionally. Today, you can't get away with that. The RTO (if they're still called that) has a tracking device attached. Base knows where you are all the time.
"When you look over and see your friend that you were just talking to is Nothing but goo YOU'LL know what to do!" Patton
Close - "When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do"
That's WHY you're called " OL BLOOD AND GUTS".
@@dieselyeti It was the motivation for killing that I was trying to convey
@@joehinojosa8030 or as GIs would say Our blood his guts
"No bullets fly" by Sabaton.......
The video shows a dead German in a parachute near the ground. 50. Caliber in real life is an extremely destructive round, and it probably didn't leave much to float down in a parachute.
War is hell.
He probably exploded and just the parachute with some remaining matter simply fell the rest of the way.
Probably nothing left but a bloodied parachute and what ever pieces of flesh are left.
@@kilomomoangel8467 the rounds from 50 cals are still insane, hell mg42 rounds in d day cut people in half
@@dekoldrick Fnny how you think a human body would be a blown up but a piece of cloth or whatever you make paraschutes out of that probably weighed less a kilo would survive it
@@cunninguncle208akaanutlapu7 If he was shooting at the body and not the parachute. If the pilots account of the incident is enough to go off of, he's good at putting his shots at where he wants them seeing as he wasn't trying to kill the German pilot in his plane but force him to bail so he could exact revenge.
Facts are facts
One important fact about fighting an airwar is that airplanes are much easier to replace than experienced pilots are
"With 800 rounds a minute you can do a lot of damage with fifty caliber shells - from six guns. So that was the end of THAT." Sometimes you gotta take the gloves off, I love this man.
Me too. He did good!
Absolutely!
No, I can't respect a man like that. What happens next in such actions, a German pilot only sees that his comrade was shot on parachute and avenges this next time by shooting American or British crews who want to save themselves on parachute and thus got the spiral of violence and all because he wanted to take revenge instead of just shooting him down and thereby probably killing him too
@@tobiasbrandt6840 Also the thing he said that nobody would shoot parachuters including the Germans is false.
Also the Allies shoot down parachuters at first, in the battle of crete.
@@sasquatch668able Also my comments always get deleted, so when you don't see my reply with all the sources just write me or search yourself.
The Japanese pilots were well known for going after men in their parachutes. That really angered many western fighter pilots who considered it to be totally unethical.
My dad would say the Japanese pilots would not even wast the amo and just use the prop of plan to cut the parachutes
As unethical was the massive bombing of unarmed civilians in cities.
@@danilo16410 Pearl harbour, comfort women, unit 731, rape of nanking, compared to bombing cities, that compared is nothing
@@sebsub6111 it obviously isn't "nothing". Hundreds of thousands of people, many of course women and children, being burned alive...so much that the bomber crews and equipment held the smell of burned human flesh after they returned. Comparing things like this isn't very useful though. But it certainly isn't nothing.
@@sebsub6111 They was all the same, killing civilians, rape of Nanking, death camps, all the same category, gassing people in the camps in Poland and Germany was nothing more than murdering people with radiations.
Great story to start the new title, especially has I hadn't heard of this guy. I don't think the German pilot would've been popular with his own Staffel either. It was not approved of by any of the combatants in Europe.
You couldn’t be any more wrong, because the killing of bailed out pilots on both sides, was in the words of those in charge, at the end of the war, “quite widespread”..!..!..!..
So, while it had been suggested before the Second World War, that should make it illegal to kill pilots and crew who jumped to save their lives, this wasn’t actually made a law, until 1947/9 ish..!..!..!..
And, during the Battle of Britain, the allied forces leaders(Dowding and Churchill), actually agreed, that they would not prosecute nazi pilots, who shot allied pilots(British, Polish, Dutch, Canadian, Kiwi’s, Indians, Ausi’s, Israeli’s etc etc etc) in their parachutes, because they were going to be carrying on the fight once they landed..!..!..!..
Unlike the nazi pilots, who having bailed out over the UK, who would actually be POW’s, as soon as they left their aircraft’s..!..!..!..
And, they had this, and later conversations about this issue, because it was as they said “quite widespread”, which led to the law being made after the war was finished, which is why no pilot was found guilty the war crime, of shooting a pilot that had bailed out..!..!..!..
This all means, that it was something that each pilot decided on, on their own, because there were nazis like Galland, who told Goering that he would refuse to follow such an order, if it was given..!..!..!..
The largest group of allied pilots,
(who took part in the defeat of the Luftwaffe, which didn’t include the USAAF, because they were not involved in the Battle of Britain, just in the mopping up of the Luftwaffe, after they were defeated/beaten for the first time)
who would gleefully shoot every nazi pilot, that was in the air, that they could, no matter what the circumstances were, were the Polish(but probably not all of them), who believed, that, just like the yankis thought of the American Indians, that the only good one was a dead one..!..!..!..
@@norrinradd3549 Yes as I understand it, Polish pilots having their country over run would shoot Luftwaffe pilots in their parachutes until it started happening to R.A.F. pilots. But the likes of most pilots were to kill the plane, not necessarily the pilot in the B.o. B.
@@jonathansteadman7935 Air Chief Marshall Dowding had an interesting view on this topic. He opined that it was murder to kill parachuting Luftwaffe airmen over Britain because they were POWs. However, parachuting RAF pilots over England were legitimate targets because they could fly in combat again.
@@mnd1955 No wonder they relieved him of his command when they did.
@@norrinradd3549 I'd like to add to your comment, as seen in some texts on the subject of German jet interceptors, that a decree was made by the higher ups in the USAAF, that jet pilots, particularly valuable to the enemy, should be terminated if an opportunity presented itself. I'm sure most flyers on either side had more pressing concerns in the heat of battle than to place a high priority on the subject matter, (limited ammo supply whilst in the air being one of them) and I'm certain that an individual's conscience/perspective came into play regarding such matters.
The purpose of air combat was to destroy the plane. It was considered poor form to shoot a pilot in his chute. It still is to this day.
Sort of. If the pilot survives, he's going to be back with a vengeance.
It's just that no side involved wanted the enemy doing the same thing to them, so it was often looked down upon as bad etiquette.
During the invasion of Poland at the start of ww2 German pilots often shot at bailing Polish pilots
(possibly because some of them belived that Slavic people were sub humans.)
Later in the battle of Britain, polish squadrons had most air kills, some people believe that it was because they were aiming at the cockpits of German bombers with intention to kill the pilots whereas British pilots aimed to disable planes.
And a plane with smoking engine can make it back across the channel, with dead pilot not so much.
My father was the nose gunner on a B-24 shot down over Hungary. The peasants were going to run him through with pitchforks, a Hungarian soldier got there in time and took him prisoner. Spent 11 months in a Stalagluft.
Yeah they still do that not matter, if your American, German but especially if your Romanian,
That was pretty common. You had a lot of civilians that were killed in the bombing. Their friends and relatives sometimes hated the air crew and would kill them if they caught them.
The German military people took care of prisoners so that the enemy would do the same with theirs - except for the SS. The result of that - was that very few SS were allowed to surrender.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw The thing is most people are in the agreement that bomber crews should be tried for compliance to war crimes, with infantrymen, tankers, fighter pilots and naval fighter-dive bombers, battleships, aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers & submarines, it should always be combatant vs combatant,
@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723
_"most people are in the agreement that bomber crews should be tried for compliance to war crimes"_
Bull Shit.
They only think that the people who have bombed THEM should be tried as war criminals. They've no problem with their people who have bombed Civilians.
The thing is - in all the wars there have ever been - there have always been more civilians killed than soldiers. Civilians are defenseless - and - they are everywhere. Even nations that go to extreme lengths to avoid "collateral damage" kill them.
People who think like you are just being silly.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw Infrastructures can be rebuilt people no so much, we can just breed on command, and hopefully, the next generation will be more advanced,
I look at things at how much will do damage, in the long run, war is not the failure of diplomacy, its another form of it, the worst one possible,
Look at it another way, unrestricted submarine warfare is another form of terror style warfare, crop-killing another, public anarchy generation another, public water source sabotage another, communication destruction another,
If in theory, you could take out the heads of nations with a precise mile strike that is non-nuclear then yes, will there be civilians casualties, yes but would it save countless others from needing to be slaughtered the use of the Atom bomb was case in point for that time,
My father was an RAAF pilot but served with the RAF 66 squadron during WW 2.
William Coombes Barker
It was as my father described it an odd ball squadron made up of NZ Australian Canadian pilots.
He once told me of a New Zealand pilot in his squadron whom was shot down then baild out an was strafed by a German plane.
Never saw dad so upset telling me this story.
I can now understand this American pilots fury as well this story reminded me of my father's experience.
Thanks for sharing.👍👍👍👌👌
We New Zealanders had a hard time. My dad showed me his class photo. There were 45 in his class. Only 8 survived until 1945. 9 died in the Battle of Britain.
@@peace-nowI read a story of a NZ soldier being raped by a Turkish officer in WW1 after being taken prisoner at Gallipoli.
My great grandpa was his crew chief and I heard stories of them cleaning the German off his plane. The history challen episode didn't mention that he flew through the German as well as almost dumping his guns into him. I've got a picture with all of them together in front of an early hurry home honey
That’s an awesome tidbit …
I believe I saw Richard Peterson back in the 1980s. every year they used to have the Tico Warbird show in Titusville Florida. I attended it every year and it was always a great show. A lot of world war II veteran fighter pilots would attend that show and give talks and autographs. I believe Richard Peterson was one of them
I saw him there too and he was a great guy to talk to.
Yeh ...TICO was a good airshow..it was usually the 1st of the airshow season and I saw 3 space shuttle launches over the years as I attended the show..good times!
@@mustangmikep51 Yes sir, great years!
Was he in handcuffs and leg irons and a prison outfit?
@@suekennedy8917 what r u trying to say sue?
My father's old boss was a WWII veteran, fellow architect, and good friend of "Bud" Peterson, and I heard this story from him. Terrible thing, but just.
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo. “So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Yodas twin brother Swartz once said. To bed with stinky bungholeo wakes up with stinky finger. So hence forth the term may the Swartz be with youuuuu was born. What Swartz or Gandolf have to do with this video I do not know.
Live in peace but be ready for war.
Live in a stable democracy surrounded by stable democracies and you won't have to go to war. No two liberal democracies have ever gone to war against each other. This is by the way what makes Trump's tireless efforts to undermine democracy with his Big Lie so dangerous.
@@danielmocsny5066 So do democracies turn wicked men into good men?
@@danielmocsny5066 You are as ignorant as they come.
Thanks for that superb documentation.
That puts a whole new meaning to "personally I wouldn't let that slide"
"...I mean, y-you can't miss!"
Well, maybe most of their _pilots_ couldn't, but there's a good few reasons they're both called "Stormtroopers"...
pft...
The old saying "What goes around comes around" really applied here!!!
at 800 50cal rounds per minute...
So does the old saying: two wrongs don't make a right.
@@joefriday2275 I agree with you i was playing Devil's advocate. I also would have shot that German pilot. In fact, there are a lot of people I can think of I wouldn't think twice about killing.
@@wasp6594 a giant nose with hands typed this comment.
Something something soviet rape of Berlin
To shoot a man defenceless in a parachute deserves no respect
It is absolutely disgusting how many German and Japanese soldiers and officers were executed postwar because they did the same thing that the Allies did to parachuting airmen and sailors in lifeboats after their warships sank! One of the most bizarre things I witnessed was I saw a propaganda film where the U.S. government was bragging about USAAF and USN planes shooting Japanese sailors in the water and in lifeboats after 10+ destroyers and transports ships were sunk at the Battle of the Bismarck Sea. How many Axis sailors/airmen were executed or sent to prison for at least a decade for doing the same thing the Allies were doing???
@@nogoodnameleft lol, ok bro. Stay away from those alt-right channels and 4 chan.
maybe not....but they would a turn around in another plane and come back maybe kill you too if he was a pilot...war is hell....people get bombed innocent people die ...
@@nogoodnameleft Lol, you're so full of shit.
Are you talking about the German, the American, or both?🤔
In WWII there were heroes, there were people that live their lives without noise, and there were scoundrels that would shoot people in parachute... on both sides.
Show us the evidence of Allied pilots shooting the enemy while in their parachutes.
PROOF OF ALLIED ATTROCITIES....?
Hamburg, Dresden, hundreds of other cities destroyed. Primary target: killing as many civilians as possible……15 million German civilians forced to leave their homes in East Germany as consequence of Allied ethnically cleansing, ca. 1 million killed during the ethnically cleansing, 1-2 Million women raped by Allied soldiers (Russians). War crimes on both sides. But Allied soldiers have not been punished…..
@@nguyenanhdung8139: off-topic from shooting down air crew in parachutes.
@@davidconklin9552 No, it's not off topic. You asked for evidence of something that would never have been reported by the pilots themselves but the answer you got reflects the mentality of warfare on both sides. I have seen reports of British planes firing on German lifeboats in Norway, confirmed by Norwegian surviving prisoners from the shipwreck. Not reported by the pilots.
Thank you, it truly upset me to hear about that German, I hope there's no more people like that left, although, looking at our humanity these days, I'm afraid the world is full of them. Good documentry, much appreciated
Actually the great majority of people are not like that. Even in the military, a percentage of soldiers are very reluctant to shoot an enemy in plain sight. There is a strong social inhibition against killing another human, which is how we manage to have civilization in the first place. Military training is necessary to break down that inhibition.
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“ on one mission he saw a Bf 109 systematically firing at American B-17 bomber crews as they descended in their parachutes. After Peterson forced the offending German pilot to bail out, he killed him as he was descending.”
The Allies started the trend of shooting down parachutists first. The German was legit probably just copying the Americans...
Those Bomber crews were delibertly bombing the most densely populated suburbs in German cities, delibertly targeting woman and children to demoralise the men who were away at war. If they had killed my children, my wife, my sisters, my mother with their incendiary bombs I would shoot the bastards in their parachutes too.
@@MegaDavyk Fair point, context matters. I don't care what uniform it was/is, I could have done the same as well if I experienced that.
An old friend of mine got shot down from a US bomber, over Hamburg. He said the civilians would just as soon hang you from a tree if they caught you. He was fortunate he was picked up by a policeman and wound up in a POW camp where he remained to the end of the war. Even if you made it to the ground, you were in grave danger in that situation. I think it was the same for the Germans over England. These men are almost all gone now. I miss my friend. He was a hero in so many ways and you would never have known it unless you knew him.
Spent many years interviewing airforce vets in (late 80's - mid-90s who had been shot down. Heard the same kind of story told by them. The instigator of the threats was often described as a political type - like a mayor.
Well, they were carpet bombing civilian targets. Obviously the locals were hating them.
Seeing people melting into the asphalt of a burning city or being liquified in a shelter does something to a civilian.
Great storie, do more Korean War videos about F-51's... F-86's... Skyraiders, etc....
My dad was in the US Navy in WWII and served in the South Pacific. He said it was not uncommon to see the gunners cut a Japanese pilot in half as they floated down. War brings out brutality in men.
It was either kill them or they will kill you.
@@johnjennings8085 Shooting a defenseless man floating in a parachute is a war crime. But given the anger you create after watching your buddies be killed is understandable. It is hard to contain the rage.
Killing someone from a bomber crew in a parachute wouldn't make sense because:
1. Your mission is to destroy bombers (or fighters), keep fighting them.
2. If you are flying around hunting someone else, you can be distracted and become a victim by an enemy fighter.
3. Bomber crews downed over your own country will become POW, they won't came back and fight.
There are stories from fighters pilots killing enemy airmen when they where over enemy ground, in this rare case it could make sense. But even then there where only rare occasions about such incidents, but it can make sense not to deploy you parachute to early.
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I wanted to explain why the action of the German pilot wasn't justified it was plain stupid and might have cost him his live. For the US pilot, well some people would be surprised to know about things allowed in a war. The German pilot was an enemy combatant, if he couldn't take him as prisoner he was allowed to shoot him.
Ammunition supply aboard aircraft was limited, shooting those in parachutes would deplete ammunition needed to shoot planes, otherwise it would make sense to shoot those in parachutes.
During the Battle of Britain RAF pilots had to (and did) refrain from shooting German air crew in chutes. Luftwaffe pilots on the other hand were free to shoot (and sometimes did shoot) RAF pilots in chutes over England. In each case they were following the rules of engagement at the time. The German Anderson shot didn't follow the rule. Anderson did nothing wrong shooting that man. Nevertheless pilots on both sides often refrained form shooting chutes even when it was legal.
You sound like you've been watching nothing but Star Trek and other Leftist tripe all your young life. Start reading some books about real humans at war and watch how your perspective changes...
There's a thing called blood lust you know
Old parachutes back then were not very strong. If you waited to deploy your chute it would rip or break the cords because you are going too fast for it to stop you.. Since Ww1 shooting downed pilots has been frowned on. The German pilot was wasting ammo, and should have been going after the mustang or b17s. He got himself killed by focusing on the parachutes, and got what he deserved.
Wilcke, Hartman, Galland, Barkhorn, Rall, and almost every JG52 pilots often found themselves arguing with their fellow Luffwaffe because they saw them shooting pilots in parachutes
Total fabrication. No record of this ever happening, not even once
Thank you sir for your service. RIP.
When I read the title I was ready to condemn the Allied pilot. Not any more.
Same here, it was only fair what he did
@@tjv-logs consider: the German pilot was shooting out parachutes, giving the allied airmen time to feel terror before hitting the ground.
This American pilot at least gave the German the mercy of a quick kill; which might have been more than he deserved.
me too m8 but after seeing that, wow...
After learning what horror the Nazi’s had committed there was no condemning the Allies, Germany reaped what she had sowed.
Why would you condemn an allied pilot His job was to kill Germans and win a war…
Why let a German pilot Survive so he can get in Another plane and kill his buddies…
When first seeing the subject that a pilot shot parachuters I was concerned but seeing what was going on the P51 pilot did what was needed.
Job well done Pete! Thank you for your fearless and courageous service. RIP Sir.
There is a passage about this kind of thing in Adolf Galland's autobiography "The First and the Last". At the time he was General der jagdflieger commanding all the fighter units when he was approached by Reichsmarschall Goering with a question. He was asked hoe he would consider a standing order to shoot down enemy pilots having bailed out in parachutes. Galland said he considered such a command to be dishonorable and he would refuse to obey it. Goering (a former Richthofen Flying Circus fighter pilot himself) smiled and told him he agreed totally, that had come under pressure from 'above' to implement such an order and was now convinced he was right to push back.
To my knowledge Luftwaffe fighter pilots were never ordered to kill helpless men in parachutes and this is the first I've heard of it happening.
I don't know if it was ever mentioned here, but there is an account of a Luftwaffe fighter dude that escorted a crippled US bomber to an allied field at the risk of being shot down (not to mention the heat he'd take if anyone found out what he did). There are good people on both sides.
John Doe that's right the Brown-Stigler Incident-dark skies channel told the full story here
m.th-cam.com/video/Tc6dwGvm2pY/w-d-xo.html
Yes, I saw that video
Yes. See above.
“Good people”?…tell this to the German population who were most certainly bombed again buy that same crew in a matter of hours…I don’t get it…
@@tomsen413 I think you missed the point. The German fighter pilot had a conscience and did the right thing even though it put his own life in danger. There are people like that on both sides of a war.
I remember this story and from the early 2000's. It takes a sorry SOB to shoot helpless pilots in chutes on either side. I'm so glad the humanity was used most of the time!
How can you say that without cursing President Harry Truman for the firebombing of Toyko, which killed 300,000 innocent civilians in the worst way - - napalm.
Yeah, tell that to the Americans who first started doing it.
@@web5271 Japan had terrorized the Pacific for nearly a decade, at some point the bleeding had to stop, 10's of millions dead, the Rape of Nanking, endless war crimes, and belligerent leadership which led Truman to what he at the time determined was the only thing that would end it once and for all, how many civilian deaths did the Japanese deal out in China? A lot more than 300,000, estimates are in the millions. How can any of these countries justify killing countless millions in the name of power, profit, and god? They do though, and they all do horrific things, and the poor people suffer the consequences, especially the women and their children, those are the most affected by greedy old men who make their money on conflict Like the Bushes and Cheneys of the world, and the Clintons and Obamas too. Conflict sells, and it seems everybody's buying.
Those Bomber crews were delibertly bombing the most densely populated suburbs in German cities, delibertly targeting woman and children to demoralise the men who were away at war. If they had killed my children, my wife, my sisters, my mother with their incendiary bombs I would shoot the bastards in their parachutes too.
Germany declared war on USA first.
My Grandfather was a British naval medic on D-Day. On one of the American beaches, I cannot say which one, he was administering morphine to the American soldiers, moving from one wounded to another with orders to only give morphine out to those soldiers who could be saved according to their wounds and chances of survival. He ignored this order and gave the stuff out according to who he decided should get saved. He found an American soldier with a bayonet stuck in his back still alive and gave him the morphine. So this tells me that the action he was involved in was still hot fighting on the beach. The American survived the war and I saw him as a child at my Grandfathers house. Posh Allen they used to call him. Because of his fine posh American accent. For that act of insubordination I am proud of my Grandfather. When the war ended and he was to have collected his medals. He refused to do so. He was so disgusted at what he had been through and that was the end of it. There are millions of untold stories. This one about the parachutist is a reminder of those kind of stories we don't often hear. It is hard to keep ones integrity and keep your finger off that trigger even when you know that it could destroy your honor even if you think it could be justice. War makes people sick inside their souls. That is the reason why many soldiers never spoke about what they had gone through when they came back.
First class video! Not phoneyed up, clearly video, but as excellent as real thing--maybe better in some ways. Bravo.
In April 1945 I think it was the US 3rd Army that pushed through my home village. The Village was defended by two Panther tanks and half a company of troops. The Panthers knocked out at least 3 Shermans and while the US regrouped 1 was abandoned because of lack of fuel and the other fled with the infantry. Now you would imagine the US would have some sort of a grudge having lost at least 3 tanks and about 20 Infantrymen. They went from house to house.
The villagers had fled to the woods only with the smallest of supplies. My Grandfather went back to get more. He was caught by the US Infantry. We had no Nazi devotionalism in our house, my grandfather being a labor unionist for which he had to suffer during the Nazi regime. The US troops took the eggs from the chicken and some chicken but shared it all with my grandfather and let him have the leftovers. They burned however the neighbouring building because there they found plenty Nazi Emblems and pictures.
The German tanks were Panzers not Panthers. Interesting story. Thanks.
@@joevignolor4u949 It takes like 20 seconds to find out that the Panzerkampfwagen V Panther was indeed a German tank in WW2. Fact check yourself before you fact check others.
@@coffeeORdeath Okay I made a mistake. I'll cut my wrists now just to make you happy. Okay?
@@joevignolor4u949 He’s an angry elf…
Burning down houses for Nazi emblems is a war crime, but I guess you just want likes nothing else.
This story elevates Instant Karma to a whole other level!
Parabéns pelo seu canal!
Sou veterano da aviação naval da Marinha do Brasil e sou fascinado pela história dos bravos veteranos que lutaram nas guerras.
The comment was written in Brazilian Portuguese, if you wanna know what it means.
Que aparelho vc. voou? A-4? Super Puma?
I'm a freemason and I had a mason brother whose father was also a free mason and a US fighter pilots in WW2 who became a POW after being shutdown by german AAA. He told that his father was taken for interrogation by a German Intelligence Office who started asking the usual questions about, his mission, homebase etc., The Geman Officer noticed on the table a few personal items laying on the table that belong to my friend's father and had been removed from him after taken POW. He said that his father's interrogator looked intensely at a ring with the masonic symbol on it ( the square and the compass) and the German looked at him quite surprise and asked if the was a "widow son" a symbolic secret questions only known by freemason to identify another free mason. He said his father was even more surprised replied that he was. The German terminated the interrogation and requested to his superior that the American aviator was too valuable and with a lot of intelligence information and that he needed to take custody of him. The German Officer took the American pilot to another camp where the POW where treated much better and looked after him until the camp was liberated. After the war, my friend's father when back looking for the German Officer and after days of asking he was told that the German had been killed in an air raid in Berlin. However, he got the chance to meet some of his family and told them the story. For years, my friend father kept the secret and only told him after he became a freemason.
Being a Freemason really pays off then
I'm glad one of our soldiers gave him the golden roll he doubled tap
“You’ve Met Your Maker Buster” sounds like a brand new song for Marty Robins’s Gunfighter Ballads and I’m here for it
My sleep would pretty messed up even if I killed Hitler. Killling is not easy, even if it is a monster that you kill.
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." - Friedrich Nietczsche
In 1921, our Belgian troops followed the French into the occupation of the German industrial area to impose the impossible repair payments of Versailles, and drove them into hyperinflation, hunger and despair. Who were the monsters that never gave the Weimar democracy a chance, when they only wanted to annihilate a defeated country?
@@vanbrabant6791 Versailles Treaty was lenient compared to what the Germans demanded in 1870.
@@Pouncer9000 What they asked in 1870 was lenient compared to what Louis XIV pilfered around 1700, and given that France declared war on 1870 to snatch even more.
Sometimes to kill a monster, you have to become one.
You put down a rabid animal; you don't become one.
Thank you for your service sir
Difficult to say what anyone would do when put in the same situation. World war two was a long bloody war with so many people killed and hurt and families lost on all sides.
It’s about morals. You have to enjoy killing people to intentionally do that… claiming that “we are in war” Is not a valid excuse to kill helpless individuals. No one wants to live in a world where it is kill or be killed. And if you are put in that situation like being in war, you have to be one sick individual to want to continue to kill people even when they couldn’t possibly fight back.
My grandmothers brother had several photos of the destruction and death he witnessed during WW2 as an American in an artillery unit. A couple were of US airmen lying in a field dead, in their chutes, with the inscription on the back "shot while bailing out"
Really so tragic.
They deserved it
@@bittoochatterjee2661 no?
@@bittoochatterjee2661 No, you deserve it
If a plane is hit and the pilot bails out while the attacking pilot is still firing, there is a high chance to be hit during the inital fall. If you watch old guncamera movies, you often see a lot of firing even after the canopy was ejected indicating clearly that the pilot intends to bale out. That was war and pilots wanted to make sure, that the plane would not fight again. To shoot at allied airmen hanging in their chutes was a very rare incident.
Damn, it's almost a fiction-level piece. I bet the german was thinking of the many meanings of "oops".
😮! La guerra es la guerra! Buen vídeo!!!
Thank you, for the "REAL VOICE" narrative. -- I get SO TIRED(!!) of the mechanical/computerized "voicings" done on "History" videos.
-- Blessings on you your House, Sir.
That was justified.
I had a ancestor in the Luftwaffe whose superior told them he would shoot any under his command that shot a parachuting airman.
Those Bomber crews were delibertly bombing the most densely populated suburbs in German cities, delibertly targeting woman and children to demoralise the men who were away at war. If they had killed my children, my wife, my sisters, my mother with their incendiary bombs I would shoot the bastards in their parachutes too.
Truth Seeker, the Germans shouldn’t have started the War then. What about the millions of Jews the Germans murdered? What about the raids on London and other UK cities? Now they are still trying to take over Europe via the EU.
@@brianreay4104 There is no justification for bombing densely populated suburbs full of woman and children to demoralise their menfolk away defending their country. 2nd It was France and England who started ww2 when they declared war on Germany. Before you offer the tripe that Germany invaded Poland, Polish leaders were boasting in their News Papers they were going to bring war to Germany whether Germany wanted it or not and they were going to stage another land grab on German soil and move the border just outside of Berlin. 3 days before Germany invaded Poland the Polish army had been mobilised to effect that land grab, Germany simply beat them to the punch.
Regarding the other matter you might consider researching "The Great Stab in The Back" Google will not help you with that research BTW.
Also it was Germany who thwarted Stalin's ambition to conquer all of Europe, they saved western Europe and payed a terrible price for it.
So you agree the rape of German women by Russian soldiers was justified as well then?
Whats the difference then beerwen the Nazis, who killed jews and Brits and Americans, which bombed german civilian population ?
Can you imagine what little would have really been left of his carcass after being struck with 50 caliber armor piercing and incindiary rounds? “Mince meat!”
Alpo dog food attached to a chute.....
How much we need men like this. More than ever!
While commonly held as noncombatants after bailing, the Germans especially in the late war time frame of 44-45 felt that was not the case until the airmen were captured.
The shooting of aircrew under silk was still not widely executed except between German and Soviet pilots who were in a "total war" mindset.
Adolf Galland, when he became chief of the Luftwaffe fighter pilots, issued orders that pilots were not shoot defenseless pilots in Parachutes, its recorded in more than one of his books. Eric Hartmann records in his story that fighter pilots in his squadron were to also not shoot down enemy pilots in parachutes. Hartmann also refers to an incident whereby a Russian ace, shot down a German plane that the pilot belly landed his aircraft inside Russian lines, the Russian pilot, an ace as he was deemed saw the plane on the ground and cockpit empty, he landed his plane and looked for the German pilot, when he found him on the ground, whereby the Russian pilot murdered him on the ground.
The incident recorded by this U.S pilot is also recorded in one of the books that Galand wrote, when asked about the incident. What was also in one of the books was the U.S pilots version of what took place. On patrol he noticed a U.S bomber and the crew of it bailing out, he was shocked to see the German in a 109 attacking the crew that had bailed out, his account of the incident, only speaks of seeing A crewmember in a parachute being machine gunned by the german pilot, with that he was angry, and made for that plane, and shot it down, also killing the German pilot.
Galland and the vast majority of German fighter pilots held on to that edict all through the war. To get a real picture of all that tookk place, many of the young German pilots had very shoot lifes owing to their limited training, and the air superiority of the Allied air forces both day and night fighters & bombers, one would wonder how many of his own family had been killed in the hundreds of German cities from allied bombers, also strafing ground troops, what of the DDay invasion and with the Allied troops not making ground, allowed the US air force and RAF to bomb local French & Belgium Cities, killing many thousands of civilians.
I watched a show last night on the 38days of the DDay landings, compare the numbers of civilians, killed in the Allied bombings, likewise the numbers of civilians killed in the Naval bombardments with their battleships with heavy guns that also caused civilian and German casualties.
War era stories have a heck of a lot of truth in them, also there were many not quite true. I do not condone what took place, but how many German troops were shot with the hands up wanting to surrender. At that time of the war, a vast number of the Werhmach troops were conscript teenagers, with few veterans trying to help them. In the Normandy battles, the German soldiers lost over 280 troops, how many allied? under 100.000
@@schlagetor how many civilians were killed intentionally in Poland through out the 1939 campaign by Luftwaffe or Wehrmacht and through out the rest of the WWII in street round ups and mass executions by firing squads? Not all Luftwaffe pilots were like Adolf Galland or Franz Stigler.
@@schlagetor well said but you should add that the Americans were strafing German civilians in towns in the final months of war that had hardly anything to do with military targets. It is well documented on American footages. But this attitude was brutally pursued by the allies. Regarding the truth there is a saying that in war there is no truth....
@@voyteka1870 Mate, some years back I purchased weekly mags, Purnells History of the Second World, sold them off owing to the amount of distortions in the whole series. As I got older and with health problems that has me restricted I regained my interest in the European war, could not do it with the Pacific owing to three of my uncles being guests of his royal highness the emperor of Japan for 4 years before returning home as skin & bones and had ongoing re-pat treatments for the rest of their lifes.
The European WW2 theatres got me reading agin, I have an old book that caught my eye Der Ritzergruss de Luftwaffe, a very thick book and I still learn from it today, one other is The Story of Heinz Wolfgand Schnaufer, sad as to his ending. Over the cause of the last 12 months I have purchased quite a number of both Luftwaffe based books, also many on the Wehrmacht, several deal with Stalingrade, also a fair amount are on the Eastern fronts, the lose of lifes for no good reason, and given some of the incidents that took place on both sides, I suggest there is a degree of terrible areas that every side took part in, both as foot sloggers, Panzer aces and then how many were murdered, how was there no punishment of the Cossacks and Russians involved in The Korsun Slaughter, against German troops with their weapons thrown away and hands up wanting to surrender?
In looking at the book Sniper on the eastern front, it brings other areas out as to how both sides used tactics that would be deemed as War Crimes. At the end of that book, as the troops were heading back to Germany to surrender to the U.S army, there was an arguement when Russian forces finally caught up with the German Troops who were unarmed, the Russians demanded their being taken as Russian POW's and the Yanks moved back, with that the Russian troops opened fire and murdered the vast majority of the unarmed Germans. I am near finished ready the book After Hitler, deals with the events after Hitlers suicide, to a degree the arrogance of the Allied leaders in their demands against Donist and all the Germans & officers, treating them with total disdain.
The Luftwaffe like all the various military arms of the German military, were not all innocent, with their bombing of civilian towns and cities. The only piece of somewhat less than the RAF, USAF along with the Russians did not thankfully in one sense have large bombers like the other two protagonists, that does not relieve them of their guilt in bombing civilian targets, prior to Barbarossa. Yet their bombings pale in comparison to what Germany had to go through during WW2.
The Russian pilots had every right to shoot German pilots the Germans believed in the total destruction of Russia is genocide and enslavement these Germans caused the death of nearly sixty million people many of them completely inocent in the death camps how can you call it murder to shoot Nazis the idea that the German air force were not responsible for the Nazi regime they caught for and tried to impose on the rest of us is niece at best and pro fascist at worst it's a pity the allies didn't kill them all and that includes those still alive today hang the filthy Nazi scum
My Dad's brother, George Lynn Peterson, a B-24 pilot shot down over Germany in March '44,
was from South Dakota. Lots of Scandinavian and German history behind those who bravely
defended Europe. Still, it is ironic that war has rules (or had them) where integrity mattered.
Defended Europe??? Are you weak in geography or mentally? The murderous USSR occupied a large part of Europe after the war.
@Normal Goy OP.
Fighter pilots have respect for each other. They don't shoot people, they shoot aircrafts. A fighter pilot without his plane, slowly parachuting down to the ground, is nothing more than a civilian at that point
Yup,but that will only apply when you do follow the rules and have some ethics or dont get too angry.
A brave warrior (fighter pilot in this case) is, almost always, magnanimous. He won't ever be able take any pride in telling the story of gunning down a pilot, who has already bailed out of the aircraft.
Seems pointless when the pilot will almost inevitably be captured on the ground and put into a POW camp.
There's a reason the P-51 was re-designated the F-51 after the war and was being used as a ground attack fighter as late as the end of the Vietnam War. Probably the greatest prop engine fighter ever built.
Yes. They changed the designation 'P' = 'Pursuit' to 'F' = Fighter about 1947, I believe when the Air Force became a separate branch of service from the Army.
'P' became 'Photo' as in 'Photo Reconnaissance'' as it was 'F' Foto. Reconnaissance also had a 'R' prefix of it's own
Australian ace Clive Caldwell would also kill pilots under the parachute, but only if they were likely to fall behind their lines. If they fell into places where they would likely be captured by the allies, he wouldn't do so. He was not a sadist that way, just pragmatic. He saw one of his fellow squadron mates killed by the Axis like that, and that took away his hangups about killing bailed-out pilots. Check his story out...
War is hell no matter which side you’re on.
Welp, looks like you have 1st hand knowledge of the latter
Reminds me of the story of the U-boat that picked up the crew and prisoners of a sinking allied POW ship, after mistaking it for a Navy ship and torpedoing it . They had to surface of course which meant American patrols picked it up. The U-boat said they would wait and allow the crew and prisoners to be picked up if they let them go afterward. The Americans decided not to and started bombing the U-boat while the allies were still sat on top of it.
Ww2 was the warcrimes Olympics.
For those interested, this is the laconia incident, it was a huge PR Disaster for the US when it was mentioned during the Nuremberg trials.
Sounds about right!
@@ww2expert283 I knew about the Laconia incedent, but not about it's use in the nuremberg trials. Can you tell me more about that?
@@cunninguncle208akaanutlapu7 Well you see, due to the laconia incident, Admiral Karl Dönitz issued the Laconia order which prohibited U Boats from helping these survivors of their attacks. During the Nürnberg trials, the allies tried to use the fact that Karl Dönitz issued this order as evidence of war crimes to get him prosecuted. It backfired spectacularly when the public learned of the reason behing the order.
Great video!!!
I thought p-51s had gun cams, like almost every other fighter, guess this one was lost, well for reasons.
The great RAF South African "Sailor" Malan used to say to his pilots that he only admited fighter pilots in his squadron not murderers.
His first name was 'Adolf'
True fact.
I´d say that shooting at parachutes (regardless their nationality) is almost as ruthless as bombing cities and killing innocent civilians out of insanity (the madness of war), with the difference that if the bailed out pilot survives and is lucky enough to land on friendly territory (or on enemy one and somehow manage to return to base) he may pick another plane and come back to kill you, as must have happened dozens of times in the war.