I don't know if I'm going to keep this Mongoose PT26 jump bike..
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2021
- After my first review video, I found it very difficult to ride, if I can't make it work with some wise upgrades, I'm not keeping this build.
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PVC pipe > theaded metal pipe for setting the crown race, all you need is the pipe section and an end cap. Comes in cheaper than the threaded rod and it's softer than the crown race so it won't be damaged.
I'm gonna get the right size PVC next time I make a trip to the hardware store. Thanks for the feedback!
@@EvansMTBSaga 1.5" pvc for most mtb stuff
Your videos are looking better and better man! I'm sure you put a ton of hours into this one and it shows. You are killing it!!👍
Thanks man!! This video was super rushed cuz I was trying to get my hands on a sealed headset, and after my package got delayed I finally gave up and installed the stock headset. Definitely not ideal. Also I've been hiding the fast jump cuts with b Roll footage because I got so many comments of people hating how jarring it was 😂😂😂 (I agree with them lol)
@@EvansMTBSaga you trying to copy my shaky cam steez?!?!
😂😂😂⚓👍
I agree, those vids looking good.
My wife is already kinda mad that I still do vids, after I buy too many bikes, when she sees me on the computer with the editing software up, OMG I have to hide.
Lol
You need a half link chain to dial in that rear end length. Crazy it worked well with 27.5 forks. Id like to see more of that "upgraded" ztz fork. Please take that thing to some dirt jumps for the last video!!! Rad manual dude!!
full half link chain is not just gonna look awesome but also shorten the chain length
You're still using a 26 wheel so it's not that big of a deal. If you want to be really tedious about it, they even make specific dirt Jump forks. Or you could just buy a regular short travel fork
I got a used DJ from somewhere around 2010 for $350, has a marzochi bomber fork, custom wheels, and raceface parts. ive had to put a new chain on it, and that's the lot. if you can find one, buy used.
Dang that would be awesome. DJ specific forks are cool too. Yeah used bike prices are so high now, it's crazy
I think she said/meant she got a used 2010ish model DJ bike for $350, not that she got it in 2010 for $350 lol
Every video I watch from this channel is insane!! They all have story and are super interesting. Thank you 😊
How Manitou hasn't sued them into next year for trademark infringement is amazing.
I'd really love that
4:27 the exposed metal is supposed to go under the chain ring, the chain ring should go over the exposed metal
Great video! Love to see more footage from the Railyard, we went over to Bentonville during Thanksgiving and my son spend over half of our time there (he also races BMX) Im just a mountain biker but it was still fun, even with a full suspension.
You have awesome skills bro, great video as always have a good one
Thanks man I appreciate it!!
The bike looks awesome man considering how little you spent I think you should keep it and keep upgrading!
You are really good at pumptracks 🤩
Loving these series...
Thanks Rene!!
Hey Evan just wondering how high the back axle is? Is it 14mm?
Ohhh dude i love your cutting jig...👌👌👌
Cool vid! Where is that Pump Track? I live in AZ and I have got to check that out!
7:00 the chad prop stick vs the virgin kickstand
i dont know the details of the wheel and bars slipping, but that shouldnt be an issue with the bike. just not tightened down enough
It’s because it’s a crappy Walmart bike that you should never ride!!
@@DirtKidzMTB doesn't matter if it's a 50 dollar bike from Walmart, or a 10000 dollar bike from specialized. As long as the nuts and bolts are intact, they shouldn't slip if they've been torqued down enough
Good to know I was thinking about buying this bike
I got one, did basically the same stuff and also changed out the pedals, stem, seat, bars and grips and got better bearings for the head. I also got the right size fork. I dirt jump it and other than maintenance is have no problems for around $500 total, bike included
2:35 Surely its more complicated to make that "wannabe taper headstock" than a real one.
My last frame had a big chainstay which I fixed by wearing out the dropouts with a regular drilling machine.
Do you have any idea what size the headset is ? My son came home with one of these 😬
what was that tool you used to tighten the rear wheel
My Da bomb Vision DJ bike rear end is 16 inch, do you think it is on the long side of "good" DJ bikes?
i dont think ill ever miss an upload with vids like this
Cool, those brakes are interesting.
I got another weird brand, ill check them out, see how they are
I wonder how well this bike would work for more street/bmx styles of riding, maybe you should test that out!
I asked him to hit some dirt jumps for the next video.
I put a solid fork, new stem, bars, grips, pedals, bottom bracket and crank set on mine. Altogether i have just under $500 in it total and I have been dirt jumping it and riding the park for 6months now and I love it. All I am gonna do next is put some Maxxis holy rollers on it
@@caseylewis2835 do a bike check video dude!!!
I have 4 wally mart bikes in am fixing up for under $500 each and I am gonna do a series of vids on parts and then compare them to similar bikes that are around $500 stock. Should be this fall
@@caseylewis2835 send us the link when done
You should try a downhill fork on a hardtail and ride some trails. It will be interesting to see how much it lasts
How did you route the hydraulic brake line? I bought one for the frame and it has built in bosses for mechanical brakes
Zip tied around the frame tubing
More upgrades. Jessica headset a must. And new bars and stem should complete the build and half link on one link should slam it all the way.
On my single speed Norco I had, it had a gear ratio of 36 to 13 with 175mm crank and Kenda krad 26x 2.30 with sealed deore hub and a set of Hayes mx4 brakes. Rim was sunringle singletrack. Front was formula hub 20mm to singletrack hoop and dirt jumper 3 fork.
Haha man. That's some crazy hard gearing
@@EvansMTBSaga I had that as my fun bike my best bike was a BRC Ripper. It had a set of Alex ace19 wheels laced to formula hubs front and back. I rode it with a 36 tooth mega range freewheel and for cranks I had a biopace 3 by 175mm with Evo sealed pedals with traction pins. I had a dirt jam comp air forks with qr dropouts. Had truvativ bars and stem and a sealed FSA headset. On that bike which was an 18 inch frame and 26 inch tires. Kenda small block 8 tires with kevlar tubes. This bike was 34 pounds and I was at the time 240 pounds and I was passing people on road bikes that were going pretty fast and some of them we shocked that a guy of my stature could ride that hard. I love working on bikes and your videos remind me that I have to get back into riding again.
You could save like 2 to 4 pounds if you replace the wheelset. Maybe replace the bars and stem as well.
This bike doesn't deserve new wheels lol. I could do new tires and bars/stem
Holy cow! Dude you can freaking rip a pump track🤘. Cheers dude 🍻
Thanks Jade! Do you have any pump tracks near you?
@@EvansMTBSaga I don't think so I've looked several times and only found the regular stuff trail systems, jump tracks, skate parks, etc. But I'm planning on building one with the land in my backyard!
To prevent the chain from falling you just need to install a front deraillurer as it helps to guide the chain. Dont install any new crankset or deraillurer wires and only make the chain go through it.
Did u update a video on those brakes?
Why not two chaintensioners when you install it on one side?
Was that a DIY star nut input?
I picked one of these up and I'm wondering if you needed to change anything in the headset for the fork to fit?
Nope it all worked out
@@EvansMTBSaga awesome thanks
Cheap Dirt jumpers always come with cheap coil forks, so it’s better to put a rock shox pike or something on it
Could you hog out those rear drop outs to move the wheel in a little?
That would be funny! I'd have to chop off the kickstand mount and then maybe an upper rear triangle cross Brace too. Sounds like a fun video idea, maybe I should keep it 😂
@@EvansMTBSaga ah yeah I wasn’t thinking you’d have to do all that!
hey, i really think you should change the bars now that you've got 27.5 fork. you should upgrade to a bar with smaller rise. be careful thoe, i think that stem is for the thinner version of the handlebar.
You happen to check the headset sizing while putting the fork on? Just ordered a fork for mine and would like up grade the headset while I got it at the bike shop. Thanks
I did! 44mm top and bottom. I had ordered one, but it didn't come in time and I had to delay & modify the video 😂
@@EvansMTBSaga thanks man, keep the vids coming!
Hey, since you’ve had hands on the bike, looking at the head tube, it looks like you could machine the bottom of the head tube down to its widest portion (bottom of the bell shape) and fit a tapered lower cup. What do you think? Also, we used to grind out the dropouts on our BMX bikes to slam the wheel. Looks like this would be an easy mod with all of that material.
No way could the head tube be machined and still be a safe bike. Plus the frame is absurdly heavy
You should do a review on more vitus stuff or possibly nukeproof. The ragley hardtail big al is also cool!
Just waiting for the 2022 stuff to come out!
Wait, Evn, you're telling me that ZTZ, the company from which you bought the $99 (IIRC) air fork replaced the old leaky fork with a new one free of charge, AND gave you a new updated 27.5 air fork? That's awesome customer service (CS)!
I agree! I chatted with them a bunch and they seem really passionate and great CS!
If you are getting sick of Walmart bikes, you could try to buy cheap old used bikes and bring them back to life and sell them. This would be fun to watch and you would get a lot of views on the video.
Oh yeah I agree. It's a lot of work just to acquire one. I want to real bad! Now I'm motivated to find one again. Thanks!!
Man its looking really good now i actually bought tools to re grease parts of my bikes
Good idea! That will make the bike last a long time!!
@@EvansMTBSaga thanks man i actually dont have a sealed headset so i change grease ther every time my bike gets we alot
jesus dude, the bike aside, i can see a huge improvement in your riding skills, especially at 7:16
Thanks man!! I was pumped on the footage too lol (usually riding footage looks super unimpressive on camera)
If it was my bike I would machine down the dropouts in the rear 1/2 cm longer. On this bike it almost looks like the droppouts were meant to be that way.
By any chance you may know the material on the frame?
High tensile steel
Wondering if you can do a review for the fireball ss
I'd love to, but it's too expensive for me to buy and test it.
Evan, keep in mind that all Walmart bikes aren't bad, and as you know they are getting better and better. Also, just because something is made in China doesn't mean it's bad, most of the things we own are made there, probably including your phone!
Yup I agree (thought I touched on that in the video). I still wanna do a full alibaba build!
with the brake, coulnt you go for a set of sram levels? 60 bucks for the lever and brake
Oh yeah you can go with whatever brakes you'd like. A front brake isn't necessary though
@@EvansMTBSaga yea i guess my wording was a little off
4:25 the chainring goes on the other side
What program do you edit in ?
Premiere Pro! Do you have a TH-cam channel?
That’s a bummer...I ordered this bike but may not take it out of the box now..
You can still build it and return it to Walmart if you don't like it. 90 day return policy
On that cheap of a bike you can grind the rear drop out and make the bike maybe half an inch shorter. That should make the rear end much more fun.
I know right! I'm thinking about it
That looks like the skatepark in buckeye
I would of fitted a tensioner to both sides of the rear axle to stop any movement. Probably why it slipped. Not exactly the fault of the bike.
Hey Evan, I noticed your PO BOX is in Goodyear I actually live in Avondale and I’m waiting to receive this bike in the mail. Is this something I could bring to you to have the work done You did in this video done to mine?
Hey there! I picked up and moved to Bentonville, AR just a few months back
you should install a suntour epixon or rockshox judy tk or whatever its called on this bike. but idk if there is a 26 version of those forks. idk if u still have this bike tho since you dont make content on it anymore
I still have it
Mongoose and Schwinn use to be decent bike brands when I was young. It is kinda sad...
Eh schwin and mongoose do make bikes over 700 dollars but they aren't ad common.
Bought a shwinn road bike in the 70's 12 speed was an awesome bike great quality too bad they've cheapened the brand
Are you sure you weren't just expecting shit quality back then?
You should build your own bike. Buy just a frame from e.g trek and then build it up with parts of your, or audience, choice.
I definitely want to. I've sent a few emails out to companies asking for parts because it can be expensive to build from the ground up
Good luck finding parts right now. I have built up my last couple bikes from the frame up, and am trying to do the same right now with a gravel bike build, but can't find parts anywhere!!!
Great riding, but yea that bike is not great. I can see the welds are horrible.
The loose wheel might be your mistake, it can happen, but keep in mind with rapid temp changes like getting warmer things can get loose, but the steel parts shirnk faster tha alu. But if its steel on steel alu on aly it will most likely stay out for longer. But axle should be tight, a regular tru axle should be at about 10nm, atleast that's what it says on for my bike, 9-12nm on my fork. So that's quite hard, so turn until it stops, with regular sizes spanners. And tru axles use hex key thos long ones from parktool makes it easy to tighten properly, but on steel axle with nuts regular sized spanner does the job well.
But if the hubs had play in Cup and cone, you might have tightened the bike but once that worked it self loose wheel got loose, so check that on bike slike this, and expect it to not be assembled correctly or tightened securely.
Get a Jamis bike if you can same quality as other big names but much smaller corporate and almost no race team leads lower overhead my highpoint A2 is a hard tail trail bike at about the same cost as a trek Marlin
Did you race BMX, your so good at it.
Yup I did for 21 years!!
Noice
Is this bike going bye bye or keeping it. Maybe wait 8 to 10 years and give it to one of your kids as a upgrade from a 20 inch bike
Haha man if I keep doing youtube in 8-10 years I'd hope to have the best of the best bikes all for free 😭
Why are you wearing a DH full face helmet and goggles at a pumptrack?
Same helmet I used for BMX, open face helmets are too risky at pump tracks
OMG WHERE IS THIS PUMP TRACK 😱
Shocker! I was right! It's garbage! 😂 I think it's a hot looking bike and it should do fine for jerking around if not pushed and ridden like a $200 bike should be ridden...moderately.
U should tell the audience that this is an experiment who no one should try themself too
1:41 at first that was a manitou fork
LOL ALIBABA , Becareful with that website. where is that pump track Located?
Avondale. Called Festival Fields park
@@EvansMTBSaga cool thanks.
How do you think the fork would hold up to a 13 year old who weighs about 120lbs riding fairly big jumps?
It's tough to say with Chinese forks. I take the chance for entertainment for these videos. They can be hit or miss, and sometimes have failures. So I'd hate to say "yeah get these forks!" and then have something happen to your 13 year old.
@@EvansMTBSaga kind of what I figured. Think I’ll just find something used. Thanks
I would seriously consider the safety of it when landing big jumps the last thing you want to do is bust and bottom out and cause him to crash and get injured
@@silvajay6443 yeah we’ve already decided to not cheap out. He’s getting too good
Is that the Avondale pump track
It sure is! Have you been?
Slightly late, great vid thought
Though
Oh man I was wondering where my boy Miata was!
heres an idea: if nearly every product from ztz has an issue, *dont use ztz*
Haha yes sir! Will do
@@EvansMTBSaga damn 20 minute reply after 6 months...
>buys a walmart bike
>acts surprised its finish chips easily
x’D
That chainring was on the wrong side
Umm. U could have deepened the dropouts to shorten the rear end..
Heh I have a 26 dirt jumper with a 27.5 fork so I can switch to mullit bike or normal. Before u say that its stupid it makes it fun.
There not the same tools Shimano bottom bracket are metric and the I know it not truvativ but truvativ bottom bracket are standard for truvativ I had to buy there bb tool that fits no there bb
Did you sell this bike.
Nope. Still have it and still plan to upgrade it
How comfortable is this bike just riding around on pavement
2nd video
saw your video like what you did with the mongoose PT26 . ? you set up using a full length chain right? have you herd about half-link chain? benefit of it allow to better custom rear wheel closer to you rear dropouts . Also you could try grinding out the rear dropout in more to shorted the wheel base too. I done it my BMX crusier and getting my rear wheel more forward in the dropout dose help alot with pumping and Manueling through a pump section of the track. the reason why a half-link so good is you can remove a 1/2 link instead of the old full lenght way of doing it.
Yeah I've used half links before. They are alright. I've heard chain breaker tools getting broken while breaking a half link, but I never had an issue. I'm in the boat of set it and run it most of the time. Thanks for the feedback!! When I do a real serious DJ or BMX build I will keep that in mind
@@EvansMTBSaga sure thing BRO! glad I could help you out.
What happened to this bike
Sold it
It’s made for a pump track but it’s sucks on a pump track.......
Haha I know pretty funny right! I was surprised
You could just cut the crown race with a Dremel and just smack it down.
That Maxxlite is hot trash Bolany. ZTZ, Zoom. Same factory, different stickers. I asked one of the brands to show me some exploded view diagrams and they won't do it. I asked about the internals and if they are cartridges or machined stanchions and pistons. No response. Occams Razor applies for items at that price point. RST renegade is at the same price point of $120. Their customer service told me both damper and air spring are cartridges and free to replace with serial number and if the item is still under warranty.
Hacksaw vs pipe cutter... I don't know man...
Use some penetrating oil before you ride the bike on everything. You could have also used a heat gun on the BB area on the frame.
Your part choices really has me question a lot of things.
Couldn't you also use a chain tensioner on the chain itself? Like something that comes integrates with a bashguard like some ISCG 05.
Did you check spoke tension on those wheels? ALX had some wacky spokes and I had to stress and retension them.
Wheel is weird because the non-drive side did not have the alignment piece and the torque shifts the wheel out of alignment.
Even with the integrated chain guide bashguard, the chain might not be the perfect length which requires sliding the wheel rearward.
I think maybe I'll do a break down video and show the world what's inside. Sounds pretty cool as a TH-cam Short! Thanks for the motivation
@@EvansMTBSaga th-cam.com/video/aEIzbI1A-TQ/w-d-xo.html
Already done. Part 2 was an attempt to do a modulus test on the stanchion but they ended up doing a bend test on the steerer tube.
Part 3 might do a modulus test on the stanchion but it's not really reflecting the actual impact forces.
Can you give me the Bike 😄
dear lord they gave this thing a plastic BB. How cheap do you need to go before getting unsafe lmao
My large giant anthem xweights less then that
can i have it??
I have no plan on buying anything featured in this video... so why did I watch the whole thing??
Haha entertainment hopefully! Glad you watched and hope you come back for another 😎
It doesn't make any sense... the fireball is a pretty capable bike but this thing is trash.
The Fireball is a really nice dirt jumper
?
It’s bad because it’s a mongoose
Heavy and cheap
Buy a commencal absolut dj
Much better
"the build quality is amazing" -flops around all garbage @5:19 while hes pulling it.... Looks kinda rickety to me....
😂 I don't think they were tightened all the way. But they were plenty fine for that $200 bike
@@EvansMTBSaga lmao! Yeah im just poking fun.
I don’t even know if I’m keeping it.......proceeds to swap out almost everything but the frame.
Haha that's how I do it! Frames have potential that can be restricted from bad parts.
You are brave to buy super cheap hydraulic discbrakes from alibaba bet my hole ass thst is knock off
Haha you'd be surprised how much comes from Alibaba and companies just pay for their logo to be put on.
@@EvansMTBSaga yes im very surpised Great video btw