Advaita Vedanta and the need for evidence
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Advaita Vedanta is the peak of human philosophy.
@@Krishnakantdahiya
ye Meditation hi hai na?
@@Narasimha_TheSher no question about sound of silence search Karo
Indeed
@@Krishnakantdahiya I don't think agar aapko truth pata hota toh TH-cam ke comment section me batate.
@@kavyakumar2807 SM SIR KI VIDEOS DEKHI KYA REGARDING SOUND OF SILENCE (ANHAD NAAD, PURE CONSCIOUSNESS, BRAMAN ) SE REALTED IS SE JADA ME APKI MADAD NAHI KAR SAKTA
*Asking Objective Evidence for Advaita Vedanta is like asking weight of Vacuum.*
Well sir but if you are claiming something you should give evidence that's how it works
If i say there is something but you can't prove it or there can't be evidence around it
Same statement might apply to god as well then
That God is out of nature and how can you actually prove something's out of nature by living inside the nature
But that's just ridiculous claim bcz such claims can be made about anything
@@relaxingtube5043 Advaita Vedanta is fundamentally concerned with the first-person experience. It's a science of the subjective (first-person experiential). Sciences like physics and chemistry are only objective - they study the world around. They're limited to the waking world. They cannot study the first person experience, because there is not even any conclusive evidence as to what is a conscious being. You cannot know if someone or something is conscious. You can only know you are conscious.
Imagine asking evidence is too much a burden
@@FatAtheistthat comment by No-thing about the vacuum is just pointing to the fact that Advaita deals purely with subjective experience, which no one but a conscious subjective 1st person point of view can confirm (in your experience, there is only proof you are conscious). But aside from that context, Advaita has most evidence going for it.
@relaxingtube5043 it's like waking up from a dream. Now if you are in a dream you can't disapprove the dream and say that this is just a dream and it's an illusion and the reality is different(although we can lucid dream at times but let's not bring it here for the sake of analogy). Now take this analogy a step up I.e your waking reality is a dream when you wake up only then you realise that it was all false.
A awakened person can never prove an unawkened person of the actual reality using words( words imply duality) he can only point towards it( neti neti approach).
Apart from Tibetan Buddhism Sam Harris also mentioned Advaita Vedanta.
I have heard a swami named Swami Sarvapriyananda too said that, he and Sam too had a discussion in his Waking podcast.
Swami Sarvapriyananda give lectures on Advaita and Buddhism too.
True
The podcast is also available in TH-cam.
@@shatabdabasu505 true but his conclusion for hinduism is also mythology
Vimoh sir, your knowledge on Advaida Vedanta is preety shallow.....when you said, "Are you Talking to your self" or like that.....noooo we all are one Consciousness in Parmarthik State.....Not in Vyabharika State......and there are many more things you have to learn about Advait.....I will say that if you can have a Translated version than Reed Advaitvaad by Swami Chidghanananda Puri.....I read it in Bengali so I don't know does it have a Bengali version or not
Its not shallow it's damn near non-existent. His knowledge of Advaita that is. Advaita stands at the pinnacle of human philosophy.
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According to
Sanatan Vedic Hindu Dharma
there are three Sciences
Adhibhautic
Aadhidaivic
Adhyatmic
gyaan - vigyaan - vidya
Spiritual science and philosophy
ke liye
Aatmanubhuti hi sarvashreshtha
praman hai .
Materialistic is not answer or solution .
Guru pradutta Sadhana karne se satya samne aa sakata hai .
Towards the Truth .
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Buddhist Philosophy ki
apurnata - kamiya - galatiya to pahle hi
Adya Shankaracharya ji ne ujjagar ki hai .
Vimoh is a classic example of charvaka
And I agree
Vimoh and Ishan both don't understand Advaita Vedanta -- it would help to understand it first before dismissing as non-evidence based. It's no where close to "one mind, one mind experiencing all of it". Have you even read Mandukya Upanishad(just 12 mantras) or any Advaitic text? Your current understanding of world, that waking world is more real than dreams, is not based on evidence. For example, how do you know past exists or that continutiy of waking world is real? That is based on memory. Advaita teaches that, from our own experience, waking, dream, and deep sleep are all equally unreal -- and does so with pure logic and reason (read Gaudapada's Mandukya Karika -- it is only logic and evidence). The ego that is saying "I" disappears, so do all the people, places, things, in the waking and dream worlds, when you go to sleep -- this is from your own experience. However, the real you, the fourth (Turiya) is still aware of the happenings of the waking, dream, and deep sleep worlds, it is the substratum of all that exists. Since all that exists has no independent existence of that Turiya principle, all that exists is unreal, while only the Turiya, which you really are, is real -- that is, unchanging. Nothing in Advaita is taken based on faith -- you need to properly and honestly study before spreading false information. I am sure you will come to appreciate the highly intellectual and evidence-based foundation that Advaita is built on after honestly studying it yourself. Hari om.
Please next time come to his live session n give your explanation
Hinduism (Brahmanism) = casteism
@@AbcDef-gw4dg Hinduism is an umbrella term. Casteism is rejected by Advaita, as it teaches to see everything as God and Nirvana Shatkam of Adi Shankara states "I have no caste".
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See the reality around not imagination.
All brahinical texts are written to keep the dominating hierarchy of brahmins .
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Sankracharya was also a casteist, read his works
Must go beyond the awareness limited to the manomaya kosha
Advaita cannot be proven. It can only be realized.
But can you prove the realization? Otherwise how do you know you're really realized?
@@hinduismwithpremananddasbhagat "There is nothing to be attained, and nothing to be realised. You are enlightened, just as you are here and now. Understand this and be happy."
- Ashtavakra Gita
Enlightenment isn't something that is to be attained like how many believe.
What is amazing is that the ancient rush is just through breathwork meditation connected themselves with the underlying cosmic frequency of the universe and gained this wisdom without modern technologies we should be amazed honestly
I think if you are opposing another one's point of view, it is better to study and understand it before you oppose it, otherwise all ideas will get dismissed.
I have studied it.
@@vimoh when you say evidence what are you looking for. And by the way, you have mentioned reading it, but your understanding is wrong about Advaita Philosophy.
@@jayaram5127 No it isn't. If you want to debate it, come on my live stream and do it.
@@vimoh Dear Vimoh, please do not get me wrong, your statement "Universe is one mind and that one mind experiences or something like that.... " Indicates there is a doubt and you have not understood what you have read. Iam sure you are a serious spiritual seeker, and my humble request to you is to please do a thorough study and understand before you oppose an idea. I will leave it at that.
@@jayaram5127 I'm pretty sure I've got it right, but if you think you have a better handle on it, feel free to come on my live stream and talk to me.
@3:20 that's a very shallow logic you've used there.
You say you can verify about the shape and existence of your phone by asking it to someone else instead of blindly trusting your senses. However, the only way you can even perceive that 'someone else' is through your senses. Remove those senses and there you go, the non duality begins.
I don't rely just on my senses. I also rely on verifying what my senses are telling me through science.
@@vimohlive science is information that is received through the senses .
@@vimohlive and how do you verify that your senses are telling the truth? How do you even perceive those very verifications? All of them are done through your senses...
@@arahul4045 If I tell you, will you accept what I say, or will you doubt it because you are accessing it through your senses?
Well said.
Advaita vedanta is not to be understood intellectually. It can be realized once you go beyond your PANCHA KOSHAS. You dont need to believe me , try inner engineering or any other sadhana. You will know how ignorant you were by closing away the possibilty of experiencing that which is not physical.
Vimoh said he is happy if there is a method 6:00. THERE are 112 methods provided by adiyogi (vigyan bhairav tantra) to experience adavita vendanta as a life reality and not a philosophy.
I am god and that is the end of discussion. Advait is just saying that you are god you are the universe you follow the same order that the universe follows
advaita or nonduality does not posit any objective reality , which needs evidence or verification . The concept of objects apart from experience or consciousness is negated in nondual traditions .
This was a very good knowledgable talk on present reality 🙏
Advaity is agaist the reality of nature and duality is come with a reality of our life no need to read or shatras to judge the reality. Soo advaita the non experienceble and against the vedas its only ends with the words not experienced🙏 i am a creator is aham and i am a slave to the creator is bhakti 🙏🙏bhakti is a mirror of dualism🙏any person need the reality go through the tatvajnana the 3rd avatara of mukhyaprana the bhakta of sarvottama shree ramachandra hanuma he only know the reality of veda and the 3rd avatara shree anandateertha acharya 🙏 no one thing in the universe is equal no another the god is jnana and ananda means the reality no fake pure consiousnes and omnipotent and 🙏🙏
Now , if here I claim that I have understood advaita correctly , then it makes my claim contradict yours . In that case , what would be your arguments that I have been making a mistake or I am wrong ? I have commented my understanding in the comments using this ID .
When vimoh said are you having conversation with yourself? Then the answer is yes provided that we both are human beings and made of same energy that makes up matter so on subatomic level we are equal.... Our consciousness makes us think we are not equal that is what shankaracharya says everything is one but our consciousness makes us differentiate....
It seems more like the materialism is an assertion.
Just watched that interview which the other guy mentioned.
Sam Harris did say that they are saying the same thing in different way.
Its sad when people try portraying so much of confidence when they are ill read and ill informed...
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I will follow your guidelines for commenting. So, you say that Advait Vedanta does not gives evidence to back its claims. That's not entirely true. They don't offer any external material evidence because their argument is based upon experience. They tell you to find out for yourself. An Advaitin never asks anyone to follow the vedantic philosophy or believe in Vedanta. They only ask you to try for yourself. If you get help, great, go for it. If you find no help, that's equally great, move forward and find something else out. Its great that you ask questions from this philosophy.
great debate
advaita differs from subjective idealism and solipsism in the area that it posits that experience and the object of experience are not two things . " nondual " term is used in that reference . advaita doesnot say one being exists .
Pehle advait padho bhai acche se.. aap log ne to atheism naam ka cult khada kar diya ..
06:57
Kafal is beyond your comprehension.
On what is it ?
It's a fruit that grows here in the mountains of northern India.
One who hasn't eaten that fruit can never know what it tastes like. It is sweet and sour. Not sweet like sugar not sour like lemon. It has its own unique sweetness and sourness.
Sorry man you don’t understand advaita Vedanta
Its not advait it is another name of casteism
@@kidstvforkid21lol an advaitin can't be a casteist
if one believe in caste system this itself goes against advait siddhant
@@kidstvforkid21 whaat?
@@kidstvforkid21you understand 0% of something then cry about it
Evidence is found within through reason.
The fact that we are not able to visualize > 3 dimensions when theoretical physics posits a 11 dimensional universe, is one example of what I see as beyond our senses and sensory perception. Our field of vision is inherently limited to 3 dimensions and there is no way around it. And then there is also the unobservable universe, which is literally impossible to see because the light from big bang has not reached us and it keeps expanding too fast for it to ever reach us.
Also we live on our perception ! Perception formed from 5 senses. Now how true are these perceptions? What colour we see on a object is simply product of which wavelenght of light our eyes percieve. Their are many wavelenghts our eyes don't percieve and so we can never know about other colour. This proves that our senses can't be relied upon as evidence of existence of an object.
Where do we go wrong with modern education? I would never waste time on such a discussion - this guy has never applied his mind.
I think what modern education does is that it teaches people to question and be critical of tradition. This is why many people refuse to swallow horseshit ideas without thinking them through and often even reject them if there is no evidence backing them up.
@@vimohlive you are doing a good work sir but
Here you are wrong
You talk about material and AD
Materialism is totally your conditioning and your psychology and it is build Over the time
AD can't be proved that is a totally a different
Same with Buddha's path
To understand these things you should start from basics i. e pyschology and how human works
Sir modern education claims that reality is Materialistic without giving proof of it. Can u provide proof for ur concept of reality. Can u prove how consciousness is generated in the brain?@@vimohlive
Rude
As long as people keep seeking, this will not stop. It has nothing to do with modern education. Modern education provide good explanation of physical phenomenon but it doesn't has answer to all question. If modern education don't provide answer it doesn't mean people should stop seeking answers.
The thing is that you are not knowing the Advaita Vedanta but then also you made an assumption about it...
बिना जाने मानना अंधविश्वास तो है ही पर बिना जाने नकार देना भी उतना ही अंधविश्वास है ll
Because in that case even you have also made a comfort zone for your own beleifs of saying NO to all the things which doesn't suits you without even knowing the TRUTH
I am a student of Advaita Vedanta. I hope my comment gives a clarity about Advaita Vedanta to both who wants to refute it or interested in it.
1) Advaita Vedanta's conclusion is Consciousness(Brahman) alone is the Ultimate Reality and Universe of Subject-Object Duality is an appearance in the Consciousness and We are that Ultimate Reality which is Existence(Sat), Consciousness(Chit), Bliss(Ananda).
2) It comes to this conclusion through different methods called Adhyaropa Apavada Prakriyas.
One such method which I being a student of Advaita Vedanta found more rational is Avasthaatraya prakriya, the analysis of our own experience of three states Waking State, Dream State and Deep Sleep State to know ourselves as the Ultimate Reality. This analysis is found in different Upanishads.
3) Advaita Vedanta after a lot of arguments based on Logic and our experience of Three states shows that Waking state and Dream state are having same Grade of Reality from the viewpoint of Experiencer who experiences them. These states cannot remain independent of the Experiencer of those states but Experiencer can remain independent of Object as in Deep Sleep state.
The Experiencer of all the states which is Unchanging but witnesses all the changes within the state is our true Self.
Deep Sleep state from Waking state perspective is called a State but it is our real nature which is Non Dual and Bliss as per Advaita Vedanta in which Waking state and Dream state appear and disappear.
Deep Sleep is one common state which we all experience same where all our Identities of Waking and Dream states are not there. Time and Space are also not experienced in Deep Sleep but are experienced within the states such as Waking or Dream.
4) When Advaita Vedanta says that Ultimate Reality(Brahman) cannot be known or beyond our comprehension, what it means is it can never be known as an object because it is the pure Subject which experiences the object.
It is the very Self of the person who is trying to find it or reject it.
A good analogy to explain this is that eyes can see almost anything but not themselves. Similarly Brahman or Atman can not be known because it is the Knower.
5) Advaita Vedanta though initially accepts the Law of Karma, Omnicient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent God who is the Creator, Creation and Existence of Universe, the Three states, Maya etc for the purpose of Teaching finally refutes and rejects them because all of these are appearances in the Brahman.
6) Definition of Consciousness, Why Universe is an appearance, Definition of Real and Unreal, Grades of Reality, Subject and Object, Difference between Objective Knowledge and Subjective Beliefs, Ignorance and Superimposition, Bandha(Bondage) and Jivanmukthi(Freedom from all sufferings while being alive), Ethics and Morality, Aesthetics, Afterlife Beliefs, Rituals, Practices etc as per Advaita Vedanta are shown by Shankaracharya in his commentary on Upanishads, Bhagavad Geeta and Vedanta Sutras through a lot of Arguments, Objections and there Refutations. Those who are interested can go through those works in Sanskrit or any of the true translations done in English or any Indian languages.
7) Universe is nothing but Mind is the conclusion of one of the subschool of Buddhism called Vijnana Vaada not Advaita Vedanta. In Advaita Vedanta, Mind is also an appearance in the Consciousness.
None of the Buddhism's subschools accept a permanent Self(Athman).
I don't know if Vijnana Vaada philosophy accepts multiple minds or one mind because I have not studied their original works in depth.
8) Advaita Vedanta has no interest in extra ordinary experiences but interested in who is the experiencer. Hence it doesn't give much importance to any kind of special experiences and miracles etc.
Hi Vimoh, I like your articulation skill and clarity of thoughts.
This is quite good explanation of it. But you are explaining it to a low iq fool. 🤣 Not worthy of your time.
Hi. That is a really wonderful explanation of Advaita Vedanta philosophy. Can you tell me from where are you studying Advaita? Any sources or teachers to begin with?
@@cinefile0075 What is the evidence for evidenceness ? phenmneological properties exist to subsume epistmeological position
don't know what this kind of advaita is but it's a mish-mash. and u know it
Ok if these gurus claim to be realised then why don't they just create a planet since the they are the absolute truth and divert the youth towards spirituality. This stuff ain't verifiable . Just a philosophy nothing else
Evidence is there...search yourself... Why want spoon feeding... Laziness is the cause of ignorance..
Postive claim
neither is any obejctive reality called universe , nor is there any reality called ones mind because the mind would be another obejctive concept which cannot be shown to exist independently from consciousness .
Exactly we never say i am brain we say this is my brain subject can never proved only objects can be proved this is common sense but ultra intellectuals dont understand 😂
I'm making a second comment here because of a notification.
Somebody, please tell me the consequence and ultimate value of "Advaita Vedanta".
Its purpose is not to bound you in a community and attach an identity (i.e call urself hindu n all). It just says that the human being is that entity which suffers and it suffers because it doesn't really understands who it is. The ultimate goal of an individual is to set free of this suffering i.e get liberated from bondages of desire. Now unlike others it doesn't say that following some practices (yoga/ritual/idol worshipping) will set you free of this suffering.
It says understanding the self, self knowledge, self awarness is what gonna liberate you and all this comes from deep-inquiry (i.e self questioning).
It basically contains dialogue between knowledgeable ones (rishis/scholars) and students who throw questions and the rishis answer.
Now it takes a sincere approach to understand this but since common man has always been ignorant, he misunderstood the stuff completely and this is how all different religions came about. Anyways if you do wanna dive into this you can check out acharya prashant (graduated from IIT delhi, IIM ahemdabad, ex civil servant). Obviously approach him with skeptical mind for self verification of his authenticity. Would suggest you to check his older videos (2013-2019) or maybe you can just check my channel. Have made a playlist.
But anyways if you are doing fine in life and you are content with life then you don't have to get into this.
When you ask what is the consequence and ultimate value... can i ask how do you define these personally? It will be helpful in framing a response
It's ultimate purpose is to the very least not to be an ignorant frustrated comment warrior like you 😂😂
It tries to answer existence beyond material realm, who we are beyond our body
@@rdc515 simply as in, how does it help?
Buddhism is the path to truth. Adveita vedanta is just another theory lol
If anything that comes from humans it's either philosophy or imagination nothing More🤷
The basic question for all religious tradition in the world is same, who am i and what is the source of "i"?.
All religious tradition of the world more or less give same answer including Advaita. Some religious say, creator is the source of all of us as described in Christianity and Islam. If it is so, then the question is, what is the quality of such creator or creator god, they say, the quality of such creator are independent, permanent, Unitary and compassionate. Here, they say independent because there is no previous causes for that creator and everything start from that creator and we are all children of that creator.
Now, if you replace the name and identity of creator with some kind of universal consciousness or Soul, that is a description of ultimate realisation in Advaita known as Brahman. Now, if you ask, the quality of such universal consciousness or bigger soul, they will say the same thing which are independent, permanent, Unitary or Non-Monentary. They say quality of Brahman or universal consciousnes is independent because there is no previous causes to such universal consciousness or Brahman and everything start from that source which is Brahman. Some advaitian will say, we all have seeds of that universal consciousness or Brahman. Some Advaitian will also say we are Brahman.
Now, you replace the name and identity of universal consciousness or soul aka bramhman with individual self consciousness or Soul, that is what atman is Jainism is described. Again, if you ask the quality of such individual atman or soul, they will say, such Atman or Soul are independent, permanent, Unitary and Non-Monentary. they also say same thing, that such Atman is independent because there is no previous causes to such atman and everything start from that Atman.
In this process, all above religious tradition are Non-dual because in the process of finding out the ultimate source of self or i, only subject remains, description of which varies according to different religious traditions. Some say our ultimate source are creator, or universal consciousness or Brahman or Atman.
Humans are imaginative beings who can create good ideas, OK
'Facts require evidence' is an idea by humans
Or else does that idea have evidence to make it a fact? 😂😂
Don't apply nursery logic here bro get some common sense
you have been repeatedly claiming in the comments that you have understood it .
so can i ask what were the texts you studied or what philosophical journal did you refer to ?
If it was by any modern author of non duality can I know the text you used as a source to make this video ?
advaitha is purely experience based . non-dual means there is pure experience only . there is awareness only , there is existence only . they are one & the same . being-aware-bliss .
you cant be aware or not aware at the same time , not aware is still you are aware of , you are ever aware & awareness itself . there are no two here . without being( Existence) , awareness cant exist , you cant be aware ,without existence & without awareness , there is no proof of any existence . being aware is the pure experience , you cant have experience & no experience ( absence ) , absence is an experience of blankness is still experience . having a thought is an experience, having no thought is also an experience . now , experience has to exist , if it is ever existent , ever awareness , then it is ever experience only . there is no experiencer & experienced . there is only experience . The absolute , Brahman is ever experience , ever shining , ever being . there cant be in & out of this . there is only Absolute , Brahman , Non-Dual God .
You can say that about literally anything. "Christianity is only about experience". "Islam is only about experience". "Shaivism is only about experience". People who are in the religion experience stuff based on their beliefs and physical drills.
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@@TarunMohandassorry but abrahamic religions do not priorotise inference(pratyaksa) but vedanta does.
80 hazar ke jute hai, 80k hazar ke, pura Ghar bike jaenga...
Buddhism beleive in shunyavad not Advaita vedanta and advaita is a Vedic philosophy
Itna gyan kahan se laye guruji ??
@@Xzim69google se😂
The multiple people are real as per your senses only. So you are basically falling for your senses.
The equipment that measures the reality is also ultimately filtered through your senses.
The Advaita simply asks, is this world (your mobile as well and people verifying your perceptions) even real or exists outside your perceptions? The answer is NO.
So who are you talking to right now? Yourself?
@@vimohlive Nothing can convince me that this isn't like the experience I had when I talked to Goku after taking 2 full roll of ganja in my first try. That world was real and it lasted for 2 whole years for me until Majin Buu absorbed me and I woke up.
So yeah, I could be, in all probability, texting my own imagination in my own imaginary world.
The question then becomes, what happens to the world if I die? I will say it disappears but some other person can say that's wrong as so many people die everyday yet the world lives on. But that person who puts forth this argument and the person who dies, only does so within my senses once again. The filter point is still my own senses. So the question still remains the same with no answer.
In this imaginary world of mine though, I am an agnostic as even I cannot generate the god anywhere within this reality of mine. One can however say that if one is capable of such vivid imagination and that itself is an act of creation and that entity itself is a Brahman having imaginary fun.
@@codedusting Right. So on behalf of all of us who are not completely cuckoo, have a nice day.
@@vimohlive Lol. Dismiss with an ad hominem. Reminded me of my 16 year old hard core atheist rationality. Oh well! Have a nice life.
@@codedusting I am figment of your imagination, remember? So it is you yourself that's insulting you. No?
Hi Vimoh, you talked about consensus. The proof that Ishan is there and he is perceiving the same as you is only because you can see him. The proof of your existence is Ishan can see you and his existence is that you can see him. So anything that you see around is only because you 'see' it. So how do you know you exist, is only because at the present you think. So there is someone who is thinking. So the matter around is nothing but a projection of yours, that's what advaita vedanta says, no duality.
watch acharya prashant's video on advait vedant
No sir, whatever is happening in your mind to shape your perception isn't just occurring in isolation within you. You're constantly interacting physically, mentally with your environment in the form of air, the chair, the food, news, your friends, the seasons, and so on. There's no boundary between you and the environment. Constantly, the molecules in your environment are becoming "you", and "your molecules" are going in the environment, and heat energy, moisture, and so on. The idea that "your physical body" exists is not completely accurate, and is a product of evolutionary conditioning that has benefitted the survival of our species. You cannot exist in isolation, you are always in a web of stimuli.
Are you "you", or "you plus your gut bacteria"? When you drink a glass of water, is it still you? Or is it you plus a glass of water? If you're a materialist, you should prefer the second options. Challenging the perception that "you" exists in distinction or otherness or is the path of Advaita. Non-dual. Yoga. Union. One cannot objectively prove non-dualism if one takes "I" as a starting unquestionable axiom. Tibetan Buddhism strongly talks of interdependence. I have a nun friend from Ladakh who explains how their teachings state that nothing exists in isolation, everything depends on something else. They call it pratityasamutpada or dependent origination. Now, Advaita too looks at the whole mass of interdependence as one thing, one single reality and looks at one's position (the illusory I self) to be interwoven in the whole (supreme self). The words are Atman and Paramatman. And they say both are same. They're all talking about one thing lol but they appear different because one's conditioned to distinguish and label and draw inaginary boundaries.
6:00 as well the physicalist have not brought evidence to the table that matter produces consciousness. Or what is matter, why is matter, how is matter. You cant just assume your own idea is correct and say everyone else is mistaken
I'll do you one better - WHO is matter?
So u agree even materialism is not proved, so there is not much difference except the materialism is believed by most people unlike Non dualism.@@vimohlive
Listen to J krishnamurti and Acharya Prashant
@Yesman38 yes, he's good for beginners definitely for understanding vedanta
@Yesman38 how?
Hello vimoh, I listened to Acharya prashant on Advaita vedanta. Let me me tell you what I understand from him and I might be completely wrong
1)Advait vedant is the study to understand the ones mind by rigorous questioning.
2) even if I can verify what we perceive from multiple points of view. At the end it is only my senses that will verify those viewpoints.
Many people are saying the same thing about mobile but at last I am the one who can verify that people are saying that.
I think it questions psychological mumbo jumbo running in our mind by saying is it real?
Things are not things for us they carry meaning and their meaning keeps changing in our minds.
So vedanta questions us to go deep into our mind what it doing.
My english is not good,I dont know if I converyed it properly . Try listen to Acharya prashant once. I think Advait vedanta is logical and it is not beleif.
Hi. I made a video about this yesterday. Please check out my main channel Vimoh and watch the latest video.
Yes you understood this very well. And yeah AP is definetly authentic ! Had he been ambitious like sadhguru , he would have allied with current govt or focused on popularity/fame since the beginning of his YT channel (2013) but until 2019 he just had 4 thousand subscribers for 3.5 thousands videos.
Advaita vedanta looks similar to the philosophy of Spinoza
its other way around
It's better
advaita vedanta isn't even a religion. It's like the most skeptical point of view possible. It's about investigating the nature of the mind experientially and sticking only to the evidence of that. I don't subscribe to Advaita Vedanta but I'm not sure what needs evidence here. Maybe meditate?
Advaita isn't exclusive to idealism or any particular metaphysics. Brahman could just be the quantum field if you're a materialist. It's just the notion that there is no reason to postulate non-monism and that in your direct experience there is no evidence of duality.
The most skeptical point of view is Science.
@@spuriusscapula4829 how is it the most skeptical when it continuously makes a bunch of assumptions like natural kinds, induction, causality, reliability of memory, pragmatism meaning truth, mereology, etc?
I have a feeling you've never read anything on skepticism or scientific realism
@@linguistme6870 not interested in weird sectarianism, just talking about how Advaita is conceived of today
I’d disagree on the part that Brahman (or its equivalent Tao elsewhere) can be reduced to a quantum field, since that is again a conceptual category that describes the empirical world. Brahman is the nothingness that is an ontological prior to all that is physical, hence it necessarily transcends space, time, causality and language itself. There is a great stress on the upanishads to repetitively assert not to mentate Brahman as something to see, feel, touch, talk about, think or speculate in any way. All that can be meaningfully asserted is that the bedrock of all existence escapes descriptions.
Bro you really need to listen to Bernardo Kastrup
Get a real job both
What is a "real job"?
Someone in this comment section as well as multiple others say that Advaita Vedanta preaches that the seen and the unseen world exist together and is encapsulated within "pure consciousness". Like what does that even mean?. It all sounds great but how did they come to perceive, achieve and quantify "pure consciousness"? And if they haven't ascertained it's foundations on what authority do they make claims based in it? How sound are these claims?
Vedanta has the concept of Mithya. Often translated as unreal, its real meaning is "conditionally real". A common example is a clay pot. When broken, the pot ceases to exist. However, the clay the pot was made from continues to exist. Hence the clay pot is said to be "conditionally real" or mithya, because it is dependent on the clay for its existence. In turn, clay is Mithya, because it's made of several minerals which in turn are mithya because they are made of molecules, atoms and subatomic particles. AD claims there is a final layer, which is "satya". It is satya and not mithya, because this final layer doesn't depend on anything else to exist. This is the "unseen world" you talk about and it is called Brahman.
Brahman is meant to be pure consciousness and is sarvyapi (present everywhere like space). Brahman can be known, through Vedantic practices and those who do are said to have achieved moksha
It is defined there clearly, u just need to read and understand it, "Pure consciousness" is not perceivable, it's only realizable. U don't need to achieve "Pure consciosness" U are already that thinking of being somthing else, In the same way the Consciousness in a dream is the same consciousness of the person that is dreaming.
I suggest you to keep reading books regarding this philosophy. Only you can find the answers because this is a philosophy about yourself. Otherwise if ready made textbook answers are given then it becomes religious dogmas for atheists.
Very interesting question and answer session. The following clarifications on Advaita Vedanta may be useful. First and foremost, by claiming that everything is one, AD is not promoting a belief system but making a statement of fact as concrete as someone claiming there is fireball in the sky (the sun). The goal within AD is to know(vidya, gnana, gyana) that everything is one. Those who succeed are enlightened. It requires a lot of effort and few succeed.
Instead of belief, AD has shraddha (conditional belief pending verification). You start with conditionally accepting that everything is one, and engage in certain practices (Shravana, Manana, Niddidhyasana) to move from conditional belief to full knowledge. AD makes it clear that mere belief in oneness is pretty pointless unless you intend to be "one who seeks to pursue knowledge of oneness" (mumukshu).
Also worth noting is that the ultimate goal of AD is not really the knowledge of oneness. It is to achieve freedom (moksha, mukti) from suffering. One of the side effects of the knowledge of oneness (there are several), is that it disconnects pain from suffering. An enlightened person stops suffering, even when in pain.
The experience of suffering is subjective as is the knowledge of oneness. The only "proof" of suffering we have is that we all collectively agree that we have experienced suffering. Hence suffering is real. However, by this criteria, the knowledge of oneness isn't common enough to be considered "real".
Here's my personal experience of following AD practices. My life has to gone to cra*p in a lot of ways and I'm unhappy and suffering. AD hasn't made my problems disappear but has made them more bearable. The trauma my problems inflict on me is ever so gradually receding. This a very important point, because it demonstrates that while I might not achieve the knowledge of oneness in this lifetime, I will nevertheless be less unhappy. To use an analogy (drishtanta), by going to the gym, you might not get six-pack abs but you will nevertheless look and feel better.
Finally, it's worth acknowledging the primary goal of AD and other traditions in India is not ultimately about good and evil, heaven and earth, gods and demons, truth and falsehood, theological/philosophical hair-splitting (baal ki khaal utarnaa), the antiquity of Hinduism, but the individual pursuit of alleviation from suffering.
If I ask for proof of composition and molecular bond in water molecule can you prove? You would point me to some scientist or some research paper and we don’t disbelieve the scientist or research paper. If you have practiced the experiment yourself, you would tell me how to do that. In the same way, if you want to prove Advaita - which is more individualistic and self-experience based - seekers need to put in effort. There are great sages who showed the way and there is no reason to disbelieve them - especially without even putting effort; seems so childish. The sages themselves are asking us not to “believe” them, but “try” ourselves to experience as we cannot otherwise perceive it with limitations of our senses.
Look, i just cant get this ' senses are unreliable' part, because all the methods that we can be sure of providing easy usage is observation by senses and instrumentation. How can you not say things like placebo's effect, or induced reality apply here. Its like saying i see god in front of me even though no one else does. Although i havent tried following advaita vedanta till now, but i will try following it in future. But i am still not sure of how it pushes the need of evidence beyond the faith.
@@gurnoorsingh2214 It does not push the need for evidence, your pursuit of epistemology to describe phenomenological truth is what causes you to run around in circles, induced reality and placebo are non sequitor, hard problem of consciouness exists precisely for this mismatch effect in foundational truth.
Pick up NCERT Inorganic chemistry book of class 11.
There are instruments and ways of measuring which go far beyond the resolution capabilities of your 5 senses, which allow for people to measure and identify stuff like molecules, bonds and atoms. Basic science.
Advaita Vedanta is speculative nonsense and nothing more.
Another day of Theists trying to defend their claims with senseless arguments
Advaita Vedanta is coppied from Buddhist philosophy (shunyawad, vigyan wad) , without giving credits. choro ka jhund hai Hindu(chor in irani language) kalpanik philosphers.
@Aham Brahmasmi Upnishad is also coppied from Buddhist philosphy. All pali words are copied and changed its meaning to fake, kalpanik philosophy hindu(irani chor lucche), even Bhawga(Bhagwan ) word is used only for Buddha, wake up man their is no archaeological proof of kalpanik veda, upnishad before mughal era. Bas Khayalo me pulav khao. Kalpanik feku unnishad book are written to please Akbar (Brahman devta). Allah upnishad
Kindly prove that hindu comes from thief in Irani🤓👍
You have read all this mate, but you couldn’t wake up and just read the guidelines of this channel on which you are commenting! Dumb
@Aham Brahmasmi no archelogical proof of vedic feku and feku sankrit before Buddhist, Just coopied everything from Buddhism
Buddha plagiarised like 70% of Upanishads. Tell your fantasy somewhere else because it makes you a laughing stock at best.
और रही बात advait vedant की तो वहा पर तो ऋषि खुद कहते हैं
न वेदा न लोके न सुरा न यज्ञा
न वर्णाश्रम न कुलम न जाति
There is no vedas,,there is no god,,there are no sacrifices ,,there is no stages of life,, there is no caste
Advaita Rishis were far beyond you they didn't hesitated to say no to any flimsy points whether it is GOD....
🛑Even after this disagreement with you.. I would say you are doing good thing as it is needed to criticize the superstitious thinking....
BUT in Advaita Vedanta there is no authority needed at all and no to rely on it with those points also which don't seems reasonable to you...And this it's beauty... और हां वो जो आपने कहा कि one mind वाली बाते वो सब तो advait में मुझे आजतक नही मिली lll
⭐ So to debate on it have some knowledge before
Source please.
@@himanshukandwal1374 verse 1:34 of Avadhuta Gita ( you can search On Wikipedia as well -- Search Avadhuta Gita Wikipedia then click on External link in it then click on the Avadhuta Gita given by Wikisource.... There you will find this verse also along with total verses of Non dualistic Avadhuta Gita)
I thought the argument around materialism was fairly pedestrian. Materialism does not, as of today, even begin to explain the fundamental building block of the universe which is experience. It does no better than tribal religions. Materialism does not explain our purpose in this life and the values we live by. An atheist ought to present his or her arguments better. On Vedanta (or Dzogchen for that matter), it is the metaphysics that has no evidence - but personal experience - that is a different story. Science cannot argue with personal experience.
as acharya prashant says, science talks about the object (everything external including our anatomy) and true adhyatm/spritiuality (advait vedant) addresses the subject (the entity who is experiencing).
Bhailog mast quality ka GANJA maaro ,uske baad bologe ki
"Apunich Bhagwaan hai"
And it is true
I hear materialist always say the same thing. Prove it. Show it to me etc yet majority of scientific claims are nothing but theories. which means this is what we believe happened. pretty much the same as what he's talking against. so to be a materialist is simply a personal choice not a factual based decision. one you make your mind up on one thing then good luck expanding. thank you
No. False
@@vimohlive if you chose to believe than it is so. :)
@@tjmanou6422 Reality doesn't depend on your or my beliefs. It is reality. And the only way to come to true conclusions about it is evidence.
@@vimohlive what you call reality is appearance. When you dream that’s a reality for that moment. You don’t say it’s a dream and you are sure it is reality till you wake up to another experience you again call reality. Just like you go to sleep creating a dream that you are in your dream your called “reality” keeps changes. Find the unchanging then you found the ultimate reality. I’m not lecturing you. But there is more to what you decided to see. You chose that pint of you for your own reasons. And that’s acceptable. I’m just saying you chose to accept that variant not because there is no other. Thank you
@@tjmanou6422 I guess if everything is an illusion, then so is your comment and I can ignore it.
Advaita Ladvaita... faltu bakwas which tries to sound deep but is not.
There is no such thing as deep and profound, your lexicon stems from ressentiment
*Advatians don't care about ur opinions anyways, it's deep but U won't understand it. U will go to theatres, watch Matrix, Interstellar and "Avatar" and say wow this movie is so deep without knowing the fact that such movies are inspired from the same "Ladvaita" non deep philosophy.
@@NoThing-ec9km Advaita is speculative bullshit which asks for no supportive evidence, and which, worded or structured whichever way, is of no valuable consequence. In conclusion, it is *pointless*. At best, it is just an exercise in thought from older times. Nothing more.
No one cares if you won't believe😂
Everything is one thing appearing as different things.
Everything is made up of particles and space. An atom if im not mistaken is the smallest particle and every thing is comprised of atoms.
An atom is an atom, regardless of which atom it is.
Therefor, everything is made up of the same thing and differs in appearance only.
Now.. the atoms that make up my body are not the same atoms that make up yours, but neither is a portion of water in one corner of an ocean to a portion in another, yet it is all one thing.
Cheers.
He won't be convinced believe me.
Actually tumne jaise explains kiya aisa nehi hai. Itna easy bhi nehi hai adivat vedant.
Sab kuch partical se bana hai isiliye world ek hai aisa nehi. Tum world ko khud se alag dekhte ho kyuki tumne ek point creat kiye ho khudke andar jisko "mai" Kaha jata hai. Yeh mai hi tumhe ek individuals ki feelings deta hai, jo gaheri nind mai mit jata hai. Tab na mai hu na world hai.
Tumhara knowledge or experience tumhare andar mai bhab ka prakat karta hai. Tumhara memory chala jaye to tum tum nehi rahoge.
Iss mai ke andar kaya hota hai? Bhut kuch- ahankar, hate , memory of pain, pleasure, jo bhi knowledge collect kiye ho tum ko creat kiya hai jisko tum "mai" Khake pukarte ho. Yeh sab gayeb ho jaye to kaya koi ved hoga tum me Or mujh mai?.
@@Sanjay14728 This ! shayad apne acharya prashant ko ache se samjha hai haina? subscribing you bro ! Future mein will connect to you for better understanding bhai , take care :)
@@preetgamer1495 nehi maine j krishnamurthy se samjha hu .
@@Sanjay14728 that's great :)
*The evidence of Advaita Vedanta is ur own conscious examination. U can't ask for a physical evidence of something that actually denies physicality being real. Now a days many scientists are changing their views to the lines of Advaita Vedanta. If u want proofs refer to talks by Swami Sarvapriyananda, Bernard Kastrup. Even the CTMU is one scientific theory which arguebly gives mathematically accurate evidence for Advaita Vedanta. Not exactly the same but Almost same Philosophy.*
Come on the live stream and prove it.
If u can prove to me that U are conscious then I will prove it to you. That's the problem. It's defined to be Objectively unprovable and U want me to prove it. Subjective nature cannot be proven objectively, That's limit of logic and science. Those are objective proof of subjective nature, meaning U will never be 100% convinced because any objective proof can be discarded as effect of subjective experience instead of the evidence of the subject itself. Can u do a live and prove u r conscious subjectively. These lectures and concept give the evidence of Advaita Vedanta not the "Brahman" itself. It's unprovable. Also I don't claim to be an expert in Advaita Vedanta so I don't want to Misrepresent the Idea by calling my understanding of it as "Proof". The mathematical proof I talked about is proof of Paradoxical nature of reality which Advaita Vedanta talks about, That can be proven to oneself only by the process of "Yoga" or "Realization". I can't prove it to u I can only prove my limited understanding of it. I said Scientists are aligning with views of Advaita because theories like "Quantum Field Theory" And some other are very similar to Advaita Vedanta and dissimilar to Dualism which is the globally accepted model of the Reality. Science accepts that 2 completely independent entities cannot possible interact with each other until there is some platform on which those entities can interact with each other. I will ask one question, if everything follows laws of Causation then what caused the Creation of Universe itself, If it has a cause then we will need cause for that cause too, this is contradictory nature of reality and Advaita gives an idea that Universe is appearance in "Absolute Reality" so all the causation happens inside Maya and "Absolute Reality" itself is uncaused because it is eternal, an eternal entity doesn't require a cause because it was never created at the first place, This solves the issue of Causation, then comes the infinite nature of "Absolute Reality", as the Time and space itself is an appearance in "Absolute Reality" Everything that we can experience or know is also a part of "Maya" or "Appearance". If the existence of something is dependent on another entity then that entity itself is not considered to be actually real but a " "Form" the Original entity according to Advaita, for example Waves in Ocean are not real in the sense that their existence is dependent on the Ocean, so the waves are an "Appearance" in ocean but also the Ocean itself is not real because it's existence is dependent on water, so in this example the Water is the "Absolute" reality and Ocean and Waves are not real. Here saying "Not real" is not used derogatory to discard existence of something but it suggests some underlying reality which is appearing as this Dependent Entity. When we dream we think our body is different and independent of other people and nature but when we wake up and realize it's a dream, we realize that every other person including nature is just an appearance in our own mind, Same way in Advaita, "Absolute Reality" can be called a "Universal Mind" where the physicality is an appearance in it. This is not very convincing because we have tendency of taking words literally when understanding things so immediately we will think "Mind" means it's a personality like Human so "God" is huge human and we discard the whole idea thinking it's absurd to imagine that there is a huge invisible superhuman who is creating and controlling this world, It may be suggested in the sense in many other philosophies and also in ideas of Hinduism but Advaita Vedanta doesn't suggest this, According to Advaita Vedanta, True reality "Brahman" is like a screen in which the Movie called "Universe" is being played where the "Brahman" itself doesn't have "Thinking Mind", It's not graspable, It's not objectively verifiable or even perceivable, It's the subject, any subject can only perceive it's object, a subject can't perceive itself same way a camera can't capture itself, it can at best capture it's reflection, When one realizes the true nature of reality "Brahman" it's not that he becomes god or something, It's just that his identity is shifted in the mind and he will no longer consider himself as "Body Mind" but as the "Consciousness" itself in which this dream of life is being experienced and appeared. So Advaita Vedanta suggests that reality is not some disconnected structure of random happenings but a interconnected dependent entities which can't exist independently, and everything has a base on which it exist, existence itself, that existence is called as "Brahman" or by Hindus "God", Although "God" word is not applicable because it suggests an independent human like personality sitting in the sky which is very unlikely. Matrix movie is a good representation of reality in terms of Advaita Vedanta where everything is just part of same code and the code is the only true reality and all visible perceivable entities are dependent realities and are formation of same original code appearing to be something else. For better explanation u can watch video of "Defining God" of Swami Sarwapriyananda. I again say I am no expert as The true reality is said to be "Beyond language" so it cannot be proved by language the same way we can't explain whole universe accurately by language, any representation will be a compressed corrupted version of the Original entity, I know I won't convince u, nor I am trying to I am just trying to justify my point, I hope u will take this is an open minded approach and not as me trying to criticize ur opinion by saying I am right and U r wrong, I am not a realized being so even I am proved to myself so I won't try to prove it to anyone else unless it's proved to me, The only way Advaita Vedanta can be proved is by self realization, Call it as may, This is it's limitation. Advaita Suggest absolute reality as "Subjective Entity" by it's own definition it's objectively unprovable, something claiming it to be objectively provable is lying or is talking about something. This goes back to my first question, Can u prove to me u r conscious?, Any proof u give can be descarded as a human like Manmade object acting like a Human.
If u want someone to prove or try to prove it to u, I would suggest u to get in touch with Swami Sarvapriyananda or Bernard Kastrup himself, I am not the guy who can prove it to u. Bernard is a scientist and have worked at Cern, so I think he will give better scientific evidence based explaination of Non Dualistic nature of reality, U can ask him as much scientific reasons for his argument as u want, I can't do that. I am sorry. Also He is not preacher of advaita vedanta exactly but his form of non dualism, but I think very minor differences don't matter as it seems ur disagreement is with the main point of Reality being "Non dual" itself. @vimohlive @@vimohlive
I feel you slightly missed the mark here. Advaita is concerned with discerning the primary causal element of this reality as its experienced here and now. You can believe in materialism, panpsychism, non duality, vedanta has no interest in belief systems whatsoever. It's religious pundits on the other hand, do, I dont care for those proselytizing non-duality either.
Vedantas primary concern is transformation of consciousness, which requires discerning that which is most fundamental in this experience, and learning to disidentify with all else. That's it. Discussion like this about beliefs are not relevant to it's central position or aim, and serve to mostly distract one from internal reflection.
You can put all the word salad in your paragraphs as you want, but does not mean it needs to make sense. The idea of consciousness being metaphysical is itself not evidence based. Scientifically we know where consciousness comes from. Consciousness is a function of all the neural connections a brain of every individual has made since conception. It is by no means metaphysial. It is simply a function of being alive.
@@TarunMohandas And who is projecting all this theory? Your conciousness right now yes? So had body given birth to conciousness or conciousness gives birth to body (by body i mean the external world)
I know this would seem very bizare but think about it :) Peace !
Good discussion. I agree with you. Advaita, much like solipsism is unfalsifiable and has absolutely no evidence to support them.
Solipsism is unfalsifiable, sure, but it is still evidence-based. You do not have evidence of other people's subjective experience, or that other people are conscious. But you do have evidence of your own subjective experience.
@@thebioinformaticsbro785 No, I have evidence for other peoples subjective experience as well, just that I cant know for sure whether or not its a figment of my imagination only.
@@shardsofice I meant to say you cannot know other people have a subjective experience. I suppose "evidence" would be they exclaim "I feel pain" , but a perfectly human-like robot could also do that.
@@thebioinformaticsbro785 No, we understand the mechanism of how the feeling of pain is generated. We can verify what is the responce of that mechanism is to a painful stimulus, and can observes other people who claim they feel pain have same responce.
@@thebioinformaticsbro785 I can know the mechanism by which feeling of pain is generated. I can see the same mechanism exists in other people. So the responce to painful stimuli would be same for me and that other person.
If a robot has that mechanism the robot would be feeling pain too.
"What we percive from our sences , we can verify theom though multiple points of view.." - yes but again that happens through mind. And moreover, the " I " in advita vedanta is not my body i. Buts it is the pragna or consiousness which inclues but not limiting to math, science, philosopy etc.. at best you can claim that advita vedanta to be "practially useless" but not that it is false.
Just because I can't day something is false, doesn't mean it is true.
I just see it as alternative perspective of reality than proposing it as an alternative reality. So no new claim here which require a proof. Door half closed also imply door half open.
@@subramanyam2699 I am only interested in understanding reality. Not speculation devoid of evidence.
@@vimohlive Whatever the understanding of reality we can have can only be possible by the consciousness we processes ( which includes but not limited to scientific enquiry, logic, contemplation etc.. ).
@@subramanyam2699 There is a video on my main channel about whether our senses can be trusted. Please go watch it.
As an Atheist I can say that there is no fundamental difference between Buddhism and Science.
As an Atheist I believe in Advaita Vedanta.
@@NoThing-ec9km Yes, it's compatible as Advaita Vedanta is copied from Buddhism.
@@navinraut5920 if it is copied from Buddhism so what?
@@navinraut5920
Sorry but chandogya and brihadaranyank upanisad predate buddhism 😂
N Buddhists accusing hindus of copying them?
@@navinraut5920sanatan samiksha expose this thought
It is not advait it is another name of casteism and religious dogma
if not belive watch video of puri shankaracharya
*Nice joke*
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