@@bigness4231977 the entire race? All the time? Probably they were keeping a low profile, working behind the scenes with different governments, what about the Drakh? Were they sleeping too? And I suspect the Shadows had other minion races
@@bigness4231977 so sad they didn’t expand the universe, but again ratings, B5 had the best scripts, the continuity was perfect. They should had explore that universe before the last season…
And then the combined might of Humanity and the League pushed back the Dilgar, destroyed their military and confined them to their home system which of course led to the extinction of the Dilgar.
If I remember right from RPG and novels (granted canonicity is somewhat debated) Dilgars were technologically more advanced than Earth Alliance and the league, but not overwhelmingly so as say Minbari or Centauri. They also had far, far smaller military fleet than Earth Alliance and some members to the league. While there's lot of variables with the league races (Drazi and Brakiri basically are in "can hold their own"-stage while for example Gaim and Pak'ma'ra's fleet capabilities are non-existant) Earth had sizable military and proper infastructure to support it. Basically one battle ended with Dilgar bringing 120 ships, while Earth Alliance brought over 600. That basically set the tone of Earth's attitudes....which unfortunately bit them in the ass when they went up against someone who could not only surpass them technologically, but also had industrial sector to match them.
Wait... am I seeing it correctly on the map that their home system is called Omelas? That's actually a really nice reference. Also, isn't it highly implied that the Dilgar had secret support from the Shadows? A lot about their philosophy, their methods, etc. almost screams Shadow influence.
@@kreischenderdepp113 To Ursula K. Le Guin's dystopian short story "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas", which I highly recommend. It's only five pages long and you should be able to find it online.
The Dilgar weren't the great threat everyone made them out to be. The League just sucked and Earth's always prepared to run into SOME aggressive alien race. Just look at our movies. Stuff like Independence Day and War of the Worlds were probably apart of Earth Force training.
I read a post by JMS somewhere, where he stated that the Dilgar worked with some of the dark agents of the Shadows while the Shadows were still dormant, and that's one reason why they got their hands on some powerful technology - he even hinted that Deathwalker was probably the one who provided the poison used on Kosh in the pilot episode, since the Shadows would know how to poison a Vorlon and she was being sheltered by the Windswords at the time, thus she could give them the information, just as she also created nasty weapons for them during the Earth/Minbari war.
I am 'thread jacking' this: a while back, a fan fic that combined the B5 universe with the 'Freespace' game universe==it's the latter stages of the Earth Minbari War and of course, humanity is on the back foot (though humans can still do ECM and use missiles and rail guns against the Minbari it's still semi suicidal to fight 'em); anyway, a rift develops during one of the battles and thru the rift comes The GTVA. Now all this activity attracts some 'first ones' and it also attracts the attention of some 'Eldritch Aliens in Red and Black Ships' --sadly the story stopped being updated a couple of years ago==I was curious to see how it'd turn out.
I clicked on this short, put my chin on my fingers to show I was serious in learning the history of the Dilgar. In the end, however, I understood nothing. My PC didn't have a speaker so without subtitles in most subtitles I don't know what the video is saying.
Those ships are bad ass ugly. AoGs version were so much better. The pincers hull screamed "Dilgar" Our almost released expansion for B5 Wars (Killed by the loss of license) used all those ships ...the MIshakur-II DREADNOUGHT...the "Bone Breaker" was one if our best designs...that the Jashvita Attack Ship...known as the "Whitestar Killer" would give the Whitestar a run for it's money. LONG LIVE THE SECOND IMPERIUM!!
I would say that the Dilgar weren't as powerful as people may think. The Dilgar technology was on par with perhaps the Narn or Centauri with Military numbers that possibly were a match as well. I mean Earth beat the Dilgar basically using weapons technology they had purchased from the Centauri and perhaps some of the non-aligned worlds. The one thing Earth ultimately had that the non-aligned worlds didn't were numbers and an industrial advantage.
GAWDS! How ugly those Mongoose ships are. The Green hulled pincers were much better looking. AOG got it right. And yes...the bolter weaponry...the particle pulse weapons were Dilgar tech. Bolters fired a big pulse energy...a big "fist" and pulsars fired smaller clusters of energy pulses. Ea pistols..Starfighter guns and ubiquitous pulse cannons are derived from them. The Dilgar War was also how Earth became a major power in the B5 universe.
I'm not sure why they didn't just move planets... all these scifi shows showing planets being destroyed due to supernova but they have ships... surely the Dilgar had allies who could have assisted.
The Dilgar figured that the other races would just take advantage of the Dilgar's upcoming weakness. Result is that all Dilgar currency would be worthless and the Dilgar would have to trade everything they had in order to get access to another world. Plus think about how many billions of people would need to be moved, and how much infrastructure would be needed at the destination.
Because the Dilgar had likely suffered heavy losses already in fighting /and beating up/ the League races so when the Humans aided the races of the League, their combined might was able to defeat the Dilgar.
@@dariustiapula True but years later, the EA would learn that 'sleeping giant' refers to the Minbari as well. Years after that, the known galaxy would learn that 'sleeping giant' also refers to the Vorlons.
My question is how did a race so powerful enough to "conquer huge portions of the known galaxy" didn't have enough science to notice that their sun was about to go supernova, which typically takes place over hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions of years? Human, for example in the 20th century, have enough science to estimate that our sun will go nova (not supernova) in roughly 5-6 billion years, but the sun will boil our oceans away about a billion years before that... and we still can't colonize our moon.
The shift in their home star was a sudden thing I think that could've happened naturally or perhaps by the Drakh to drive the Dilgar to lash out violently at the other races for territory and thin out the number of races that would aid the Minbari in the upcoming Shadow War.
They should have made a movie about this, like Minbari war, but Dilgar one
Agreed
They could do it after the road home
That would be awesome, yeah.
Dilgar: We are going to conquer and enslave all before us!
Humans: Awww, that's cute...
I always suspect that the shadows were helping a little bit behind scenes…
Naw! The Shadows were asleep during that time!
@@bigness4231977 the entire race? All the time? Probably they were keeping a low profile, working behind the scenes with different governments, what about the Drakh? Were they sleeping too? And I suspect the Shadows had other minion races
@@90JOLED i concede You are definitely right! I forgot about the Drakh!....nasty buggers arent they!
@@bigness4231977 so sad they didn’t expand the universe, but again ratings, B5 had the best scripts, the continuity was perfect. They should had explore that universe before the last season…
@@90JOLED I wanted to see what happened to the ancient races after they left the galaxy.
Until they meet new rising power in Galaxy - Mankind...😉
And then the combined might of Humanity and the League pushed back the Dilgar, destroyed their military and confined them to their home system which of course led to the extinction of the Dilgar.
If I remember right from RPG and novels (granted canonicity is somewhat debated) Dilgars were technologically more advanced than Earth Alliance and the league, but not overwhelmingly so as say Minbari or Centauri.
They also had far, far smaller military fleet than Earth Alliance and some members to the league. While there's lot of variables with the league races (Drazi and Brakiri basically are in "can hold their own"-stage while for example Gaim and Pak'ma'ra's fleet capabilities are non-existant) Earth had sizable military and proper infastructure to support it.
Basically one battle ended with Dilgar bringing 120 ships, while Earth Alliance brought over 600. That basically set the tone of Earth's attitudes....which unfortunately bit them in the ass when they went up against someone who could not only surpass them technologically, but also had industrial sector to match them.
Wait... am I seeing it correctly on the map that their home system is called Omelas? That's actually a really nice reference.
Also, isn't it highly implied that the Dilgar had secret support from the Shadows? A lot about their philosophy, their methods, etc. almost screams Shadow influence.
What kind of reference?
@@kreischenderdepp113 To Ursula K. Le Guin's dystopian short story "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas", which I highly recommend. It's only five pages long and you should be able to find it online.
@@tarvoc746 Thank you for that 👍 I will check it out.
The Dilgar weren't the great threat everyone made them out to be. The League just sucked and Earth's always prepared to run into SOME aggressive alien race. Just look at our movies. Stuff like Independence Day and War of the Worlds were probably apart of Earth Force training.
Yeah, Humanity in the B5 universe went out into space expecting to run into at least SOME hostile races and prepared accordingly.
I read a post by JMS somewhere, where he stated that the Dilgar worked with some of the dark agents of the Shadows while the Shadows were still dormant, and that's one reason why they got their hands on some powerful technology - he even hinted that Deathwalker was probably the one who provided the poison used on Kosh in the pilot episode, since the Shadows would know how to poison a Vorlon and she was being sheltered by the Windswords at the time, thus she could give them the information, just as she also created nasty weapons for them during the Earth/Minbari war.
I am 'thread jacking' this: a while back, a fan fic that combined the B5 universe with the 'Freespace' game universe==it's the latter stages of the Earth Minbari War and of course, humanity is on the back foot (though humans can still do ECM and use missiles and rail guns against the Minbari it's still semi suicidal to fight 'em); anyway, a rift develops during one of the battles and thru the rift comes The GTVA. Now all this activity attracts some 'first ones' and it also attracts the attention of some 'Eldritch Aliens in Red and Black Ships' --sadly the story stopped being updated a couple of years ago==I was curious to see how it'd turn out.
I have seen this before and it was pretty good to me
‘Huge portion of the galaxy’ is a little over the top. They did take over a large amount of territory held by the League though.
This ☝️ they conquered some League worlds but crumpled against the Earth Alliance
They were to relocate their home to the Mitoc system....but stepping into the range threating the burgeoning Earth Alliance was their downfall.
I clicked on this short, put my chin on my fingers to show I was serious in learning the history of the Dilgar. In the end, however, I understood nothing.
My PC didn't have a speaker so without subtitles in most subtitles I don't know what the video is saying.
Also the Dilgar mainly conquered colonies while blockading homeworlds keeping them contained.
Was it not hinted that the Dligar had Centauri backing?
They had some backing from both the Centauri and the Narn.
But they also fought them both eventually.
@@jamesrose1460 they didn’t fight the Centauri.
Funny thing is so did earth
I guess you forgot help from the centari
Those ships are bad ass ugly. AoGs version were so much better. The pincers hull screamed "Dilgar"
Our almost released expansion for B5 Wars (Killed by the loss of license) used all those ships ...the MIshakur-II DREADNOUGHT...the "Bone Breaker" was one if our best designs...that the Jashvita Attack Ship...known as the "Whitestar Killer" would give the Whitestar a run for it's money.
LONG LIVE THE SECOND IMPERIUM!!
I would say that the Dilgar weren't as powerful as people may think. The Dilgar technology was on par with perhaps the Narn or Centauri with Military numbers that possibly were a match as well. I mean Earth beat the Dilgar basically using weapons technology they had purchased from the Centauri and perhaps some of the non-aligned worlds. The one thing Earth ultimately had that the non-aligned worlds didn't were numbers and an industrial advantage.
The Centauri would have rolled the Dilgar and Earth. The only known younger race that the Centauri feared was the Minbari
GAWDS! How ugly those Mongoose ships are. The Green hulled pincers were much better looking. AOG got it right.
And yes...the bolter weaponry...the particle pulse weapons were Dilgar tech. Bolters fired a big pulse energy...a big "fist" and pulsars fired smaller clusters of energy pulses. Ea pistols..Starfighter guns and ubiquitous pulse cannons are derived from them. The Dilgar War was also how Earth became a major power in the B5 universe.
I'm not sure why they didn't just move planets... all these scifi shows showing planets being destroyed due to supernova but they have ships... surely the Dilgar had allies who could have assisted.
The Dilgar figured that the other races would just take advantage of the Dilgar's upcoming weakness. Result is that all Dilgar currency would be worthless and the Dilgar would have to trade everything they had in order to get access to another world. Plus think about how many billions of people would need to be moved, and how much infrastructure would be needed at the destination.
Never heard of the Dilgar. And I watched every Babylon 5 show.
Season 1, episode 9, it's an entire episode on them and they continually reference them throughout the series
Totally wrong. They got so powerful for only ONE reason: They had no other choice. Even a rabbit will fight if you corner it.
The Dilgar were like wolves and when threatened with extinction, lashed out to claim new territory to move to before their home star went boom.
so how did the earth won the dilgar war? earth back then was not as advanced as dilgar nor was earth was warring race.
Because the Dilgar were only a minor power taking advantage of the fractured League worlds. The Earth Alliance was much more powerful
The term "sleeping giant" is an apt description of EA back than.
Because the Dilgar had likely suffered heavy losses already in fighting /and beating up/ the League races so when the Humans aided the races of the League, their combined might was able to defeat the Dilgar.
@@dariustiapula True but years later, the EA would learn that 'sleeping giant' refers to the Minbari as well. Years after that, the known galaxy would learn that 'sleeping giant' also refers to the Vorlons.
Earth had Huge numbers, large treasuries and a bit of an edge in resources and industry...
Desperation make worlds do bad things.
My question is how did a race so powerful enough to "conquer huge portions of the known galaxy" didn't have enough science to notice that their sun was about to go supernova, which typically takes place over hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions of years?
Human, for example in the 20th century, have enough science to estimate that our sun will go nova (not supernova) in roughly 5-6 billion years, but the sun will boil our oceans away about a billion years before that... and we still can't colonize our moon.
The shift in their home star was a sudden thing I think that could've happened naturally or perhaps by the Drakh to drive the Dilgar to lash out violently at the other races for territory and thin out the number of races that would aid the Minbari in the upcoming Shadow War.
You have to much faith in physics. We can't even predict the weather a week in advance. We would have no idea If the sun was going to blow up.