I usually joked about the reason why you never saw Spider-Man’s webs not attach to buildings was that the webs were attached to the top of the TV screen.
They actually addressed this in the first Lego Marvel game: Spider-Man and other characters that can web-swing can't do so on the Helicarrier because there's nothing to attach to.
Every time I learn something new about Ralph Bakshi, it's always something batshit. I thought his antics peaked when he punched the face of the producer on Cool World for changing so much of the story. But no. Turns out it's when he evaded the Canadian police after stealing animation cells. God love him.
Literally every story I have heard about Cool World is insane. Kim Basinger wanted it to be rated G. So it could be shown to children. Sick children, in hospitals!
When Ralph Bakshi dies? I'd love to see a 90-100 minute biographical comic thriller around his tenure as the show runner on Rocket Robin Hood and Spider-Man.
All my life, whenever my sister and I would waste food, my parents would always refer to us a "Friar Tuck." I vaguely knew that was a Robin Hood character but I never knew which version they were referencing. Until now.
I heard of stealing plots and animations but never before did I think I would see them straight up steal an entire episode and basically turn it into Spider-Man fan fiction
Well at least some justice was achieved when Super Sentai ripped off Leopardon from Supaidaman and then Power Rangers ripped off that to make Megazords
@@zeroattentiongaming820 Power Ranger is literally an american adaption of Super Sentai using the same suits and footage licenced the company that owns it. That's not a rip off. Not to mention both Sentai and the Japanese Spider-Man are done by the same company, if anything it's just recycling their stuff.
Seriously, the more I know about Bakshi the more fascinating it gets. The stories this guy has I'm sure would be amazing just because of the times he lived in.
I do like the red villains design. It’s real creepy and fun and slightly reminds me of an xenomorph . Granted I’m a sucker for old shoestring budget cartoons so I am biased
The problem is Infinata doesn't really fit in a Spider-Man story. A mystical humanoid from another dimension who can destroy galaxies? That's not a Spider-Man villain. That's a Thor villain or a Silver Surfer villain or a Fantastic Four villain.
On the topic of the _Rocket Robin Hood_ character bios they would reuse endlessly to pad out time, I always had a soft spot for Prince' John's, which stated that he wanted to "Destroy and Conquer the entire solar system." Aren't they mutually exclusive? I like to think that he wanted to do this in that specific order, first destroy the solar system, then conquer the destroyed rubble.
That was a problem with a lot of old cartoons, even into the 1980s. The villains would want to do evil stuff just because they were evil even if they would not benefit from it at all.
Maybe he didn't want to destroy it as in, physically atomize it, but more destroy it in the sense of making it really shitty and hard to live in through his horrible oppressive policies.
"How do we communicate this character is a one-off cameo?" "Cameo!? Thomas Cameo! It's PERFECT! And DEFINITELY sounds like a real name that people have!"
The weirdest part is...he wasn't even a one off character. Charles Cameo apparently appeared in an episode before the two Spiderman one where he impersonated the president.
Backshi: "Well, I'm an international criminal. Better make a feature-length x-rated furry movie about life in the inner city, where I grew up." Dude lived a life
Are we sure it's not a prequel to Francis Ford Coppola's Dementia 13 ? That said, Spidey seemed to be getting all sorts of stories fit for other superheroes in his cartoons. 🤔 In the 1981 series he kept fighting Doctor Doom for instance.
Phelous just casually revealing that Halloweenie is actually his own skeleton, presumably animated after his death following the events of Phelous and the Movies. Here I thought we were done with Phelan being killed and coming back again!
This is literally just what I used to do as a kid where when I watched a show or movie I liked to imagine it with characters from another work I liked, except this is a real thing that someone did.
Once again the story behind the cartoon is more interesting that the actual cartoon. PD If dimension 5 was all illusions, they could have revealed at the end that all was a plan of Misterio.
It's funny. Years ago, Phelous answered questions I always asked about Dragon Ball Z changing dubs from Ocean, to FUNimation, back to Ocean (in Canada at least) in his review of the big green dub for DBZ. Now he's answering questions I *never* asked about Rocket Robin Hood, another show I grew up seeing occasionally. I guess it's not _that_ funny. Anyway, good content.
heh, that story about Ralph having to escape Canadian police sounds like something out of a malicious compliance Reddit story. It is weird to see them use the actual animation assets over so blatantly, but old cartoons having the same basic plot and animation is pretty common. Some examples off the top of my head include Bugs Bunny and Tom and Jerry doing that piano playing episode, or EVERYONE doing that "baby wandering around while the protagonist tries to protect them" story...and I mean everyone quite literally, I've seen it done by Tom and Jerry, Yogi Bear, Bugs Bunny, Popeye, Felix, it was then ENTIRE premise of Buttons and Mindy on Animaniacs, and heck I think they even did a Sonic episode back in the Dic days...
It used to be more of a wild west in cartoons. There's an episode of Spider-Woman where straight up a bunch of Chewbacca's showed up. And why not, who's gonna go tell Lucas? It's not like there was a home video market even. Is this even gonna run more than once? Fuck it, the bad guy's live in a giant Darth Vader helmet now.
Rocket Robin Hood looks like one of those old "Flash Gordon" knock-offs from back in the day. A lot of sci-fi back in the day was very pulp-y like that, and the Star Trek franchise, which existed at the time, was in it's infancy, so these kind of things had yet to die off... somewhat. Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy were heavily Flash Gordon inspired, especially in their early days, but evolved into their own things. My biggest surprise from this is that Ralph Bakshi was involved in all of this, and this was before he became a household name among animation buffs.
If Friar Tuck only eats one bite of each food and still gains weight he probably has a glandular problem and the fact that Robin makes fun of him makes him a jerk. More like Rockhead Robin Hood, amirite?
Theres a dimensional space cat in Godzilla Vs Hedora/The Smog Monsters the video game metal black by taito and the movie end of evengelion in all threee they just show up for a few second with zero context.
5:38 Oh so that's where the clip in your Hunchback of Notre Dame (Golden Films) came from. Six years and I never understood the reference nor did I care to look up Rocket Robin Hood... I made the right choice.
I remember both cartoons fondly from childhood, although I saw the Spider Man version of this episode first. I saw the RRH version during the mid-2000's, and shook my head all the way through. God love Ralph Bakshi
When Bakshi worked at Terrytoons in the mid-late 60's, his shows James Hound and The Mighty Heroes did reuse footage from episode to episode, but it was more like the Filmation model. Close ups and certain action sequences. Nothing as severe as this, though. Budget seems to be one of his worst enemies. Mighty Mouse: The New Adventures kept going over budget and behind schedule so badly that several of the 11 minute segments across two seasons were clip shows. Some even using old Terrytoons cartoon footage.
If I understood that right, the secret that these aliens found out about Dementia 5, which was also the reason for that red cyclop to blow everything up, was that Dementia 5 did actually not exist?
That's not the only time. The RRH episode which had that insect-guy playing the organ (Dr. Manta?) was also stolen. I can still remember the tag line from both cartoons: "The hills! They walk again!" In RRH, it took place on an asteroid while in Spiderman, it took place on an island.
This is my issue with Hanna-Barbera's output, considering how often they used the same concept over and over and over again... Also, that story about Ralph Bakshi was _wild_ ... truth is stranger than fiction indeed...
Imagine if this was done today. You'll be seeing an episode of Rise of the TMNT, then later you'll watch SpongeBob and it recycle the same background, characters, and plot, but with SpongeBob in it, instead of the turtles.
While not recycling the animation and voice recordings, writer David Wise would recycle his scripts between the various cartoons he worked on. Transformers' "The Girl Who Loved Powerglide" became ""Poor Little Rich Turtle" . He-Man's "Day of the Machines" became Transformers'..."Day of the Machines", and some elements of this script were repeated in another Transformers episode, "Microbots". "Microbots" was later recycled into TMNT's "Shredder & Splintered". Even as a kid I remember noticing the "Microbots" / "Shredder & Splintered" recycling. Both stories involve the heroes going inside of one of the villains (à la the movie Fantastic Voyage) to retrieve a MacGuffin. The Autobots shrunk and entered Megatron, while Krang grew to giant size and the Turtles went inside of him. The heroes must hurry to exit the villain as the Autobots / Krang start returning to their normal size. Upon the heroes exiting the now same-sized, baffled villain, one of the heroes says "Uh, excuse us." See the "Recycle-o-matic" section of the "David Wise" article on tfwiki dot net for a more extensive list of the scripts he recycled. He recycled scripts between He-Man, Transformers, TMNT, Defenders of the Earth, and The New Adventures of Speed Racer.
And if Genndy Tartakovsky did that, we would see a new episode of “Primal” that really just an old episode of “Samurai Jack”, with Spear and Fang pasted on top of Jack and the Scotsman.
Funny how he used the U.S. Acres/Orson's Farm title card music for that gag, but oh well. (Yes, I'm a big enough Garfield and Friends nerd to have known that.)
Ah, yes. The Spider-Man episode that let five year old me understand how a bad acid trip felt. I'd be joking, but twenty years later I verified that yeah, that was the feeling.
Whenever Halloweenie shows up it is unexpected... but welcome. I remember Rocket Robin Hood, none of the episodes, but I remember it being on when I woke up early and there was nothing else to watch. So similar experiences there. I did not know that it forced Ralph Bakshi to flee Canada for a while though. That is... not surprising, but still very insane.
"It's some kind of dimension that is easily transplantable into any cartoon series!" Now I want to see Johnny Bravo get pulled into dimentia 5. Anyone else?
Even as a kid I noticed that these two episodes were exactly the same. Didn't know the stuff about Bakshi, though. The animation "style" of Rocket Robin Hood and Spider-Man even inspired an animation of my own.
Considering I loved the Friar Tuck clip from the Golden Hunchback episode, it's about time we get the full story behind Rocket Robin Hood and the Spidey/Bakshi connection.
This was great, never heard of rocket robin hood but boy this sure brings back memories! Love hearing the stories behind these things too, who would had guessed the story behind this was as much a comic book story as the show itself! Gives it a whole new appreciation!
And I thought those God-awful Huckleberry Hound specials were the worst animation I'd ever seen. Nope, this takes the cake! Although the presence of Dimensional Space Cat immediately rights all wrongs. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, from the bottom of my cold black little heart, for this fine video, Phelous! I especially liked your animated bit at the end. And I swear, I will binge watch your old Halloweenie series many, many times in hopes of boosting your view count. I think those videos are pretty great. And since at least two stores near me already busted out the Halloween candy displays late in July, I'll consider Halloweenie to be seasonal watching. Keep on being amazing, Phelous. Love you, love your content! 🖤
This was a really good video. I was generally aware of the recycling that occurred, but not the backstory behind it. (Ralph Bakshi becoming a fugitive in Canada, etc.) What's really stupid is that they animated Spider-Man's mouth moving during the scenes where originally two characters were talking to each other. They could have had Spider-Man just THINKING these things instead of talking to himself, which would have made more sense and saved them some money/effort. 8:50 Weird that the Robin Hood episode had the aliens moving and the Spider-Man episode didn't, when it looks like nothing needed to be modified in the scene.
It's great to finally hear the story behind these episodes. As a kid, I figured the cartoons were probably related, but I haven't thought about them until your video. As for Spider-Man web shooting into the sky, my mother explained to me that he was actually swinging from buildings in the foreground we couldn't see from our POV, in-between Spider-Man and buildings. Keep up the great work! Always a joy to see your uploads in my subscriptions.
But who can forget when Ralph Bakshi worked with GoodTimes to produce Old Man in Dementia 5? "Nye- w- a hole appeared in this door? It looks like I'm expected!"
I think my favorite part of this entire review is you pointing out Frier Tuck wasting all that food in his profile segment. Every time I saw that back in the day, I kept wondering if that was a thing people did back then, like, just bite into food once and then throw it away. I even remember later seeing an episode of the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids TV series where Wayne brings back barbarians from olden times and one of them actually takes a bite of a chicken leg or something like that and then puts it back on the plate.
I saw rocket robin hood only a few times when I was very young. Years later, I thought it was some kind of fever dream of a thing that didn't really exist until I saw you presenting the friar tuck animation loop for one of your videos many years later.
I like that when the three Spider-Men met on the set of No Way Home they ALL immediately assumed the infamous three spider pointing meme on instinct. There's a great photoshoot for it.
"Can't find a picture of Al Guest but i imagine he looked like the Old Man from Pulse" ahahahha :D I remember i had that exact Pulse movie on pirated VHS tape (only other source of movies when i was kid was TV, everything else was bootleg tapes and stuff) And on that bootleg tape, this movie was called "Conversation over wires", it's how i remembered it, and it's was usual thing for VHS bootlegers to call movie whatever they want. I remember thinking, I would never found this movie, and now it's just a meme in Phelan's videos.
One of my favorite things about the use of the classic villains in the Spider-Man cartoon was that time that the Green Goblin tried to summon literal demons from Hell to make him into a Devil.
Well, in the comics there was that time Hell invaded New York City and the then-current Hobgoblin (Norman was still 'dead' and Harry hadn't yet donned the costume, IIRC) made a deal with the devil to become a demon.
My god the lifting of the elements..hell an entire episode of another show and then just copy paste Spider-Man over it and allowing it to be aired even back then.
Infinata looks a bit like Annihilus from Marvel Comics, an insectoid creature who ruled an other-dimensional realm called the Negative Zone. However, that character didn't appear in print until November 1968, two years after Rocket Robin Hood aired.
Even Disney recycled animation in their classic animated movies, but it wasn't as obvious when they did it, at least for me. I never noticed the recycled animation in Disney films until it was pointed out to me in side-by-side comparison videos.
@@KasumiKenshirou I remember as a kid trying to sync up Disney movies on different VCRs to prove to my parents that they had duplicated certain animations
This might be the wildest use of recycled footage I've ever heard of. It almost sounds like something someone would do to make some kind of bootleg cartoon, like someone wanted to sell an illegal Spider-Man cartoon on little to no budget so they just recycled from another show and hoped no one would notice. Like when a Chinese bootleg Harry Potter book was literally just The Hobbit but with text at the beginning and end explaining how Harry Potter turned himself into a Hobbit.
I totally remember this! I remember seeing this as a child and thinking to myself "Infernata was already defeated by Rocket Robin Hood! Why is he now fighting Spider-Man?" And hey, don't be knocking Rocket Robin Hood! When you think about the other cartoons that were on TV at the time, it was pretty awesome! The only seriously GOOD cartoons at the time were all dubbed Anima like Grendizer, Space pirate Captain Herlock, Captain Future, Star Blazers and Speed Racer. Most of those weren't widely seen until the mid to late 80s.
The exact same plot used between two different shows. Obviously this was a meta commentary about the repetitive format of children's programing in the 60's! You just don't watch enough Rick and Morty to comprehend how Big Brain Time it is!
I can see the potential of such story, if it was rewritten properly... Here is my pitch: The oracle cat is an ordinary feline in appearance, but his retinae are stocking the information of a defunct solar system before its star went supernova. Its inhabitants were in a hurry and went for this weird compression method as the cat was the only readily available thing they had, because of the dying star radiations disabling their compression supports. A tyrant named Infinitas somehow went into possession of the animal. He initially wanted to gouge his eyes out and extract all the information with his technology, but the oracle cat defused the menace just by one quick glance. The amount of information the oracle cat holds is such, a prolonged eye contact can render a person mad, or fry their brain. Infinitas thought he could use the cat to quench his thirst of conquest, while he effectively was turned into a puppet. The cat used Infinitas to get everything he wanted: immortality, submission of all beings, an immense territory, the best food, a harem of female cats... It's the territorial instinct of the animal, which lead him to barge into Rocket Robin or Spiderman's life. As they're are driven to solve the growing threat, they're at first unaware that the real menace is the pet not the guy seemingly owning him...
Theres a dimensional space cat in Godzilla Vs Hedora/The Smog Monsters the video game metal black by taito and the movie end of evengelion in all threee they just show up for a few second with zero context.
Rocket Robinhood is one of those weird childhood shows I remember watching, but remember almost nothing about. Of course, Fryer Tuck's eating loop is the only thing I actually remember. Though it aired before I was born so my experience with it was on Teletoon Retro. Also that part about them dodging the law was far more entertaining than the show itself lmao
Fun fact: 2 different places in marvel comics history have been referred to as “the fifth dimension” Not only are they nowhere near equivalent to one another but they’re also not remotely similar to dimensia 5
I really liked this obscure and interesting tale. This may just be me, but I feel like the writers probably originally intended for the person who received the tiny knowledge orb to ingest it, for obvious reasons. That would have been a cool resolution, especially in the Spider-Man version. I wonder if Infinata is in the public domain now, they could turn that into a pretty cool storyline for the comics. Spider-Man accidentally becoming a living library of esoteric knowledge, being hunted by this extra-dimensional creature, etc. It would be a real hit.
This was far from the last time Ralph reused assets. There is a spider episode where he travels into another world to get some crystals needed to destroy a giant plant monster. They did it twice, Witt the onl6 difference being the nature of the monster. One time a giant daisy, another a huge rolling seed. Literally every else is reused.
Rocket Robin Hood was the bane of my existence as a kid! I swear Teletoon's entire nighttime weekend programming block in the 90s was just Rocket Robin Hood on a loop.
Disney themselves did it for a number of their movies. I think the most famous is Cinderella or Snow White being reused for Robin Hood. It's freaking amazing what they did but extremely obvious when you see it pointed out.
This was both hilarious and fascinating! I hope you do more 60s Spiderman stuff. It was my favorite show as a kid and I love revisiting it through Phelous' unique perspective.
"Who could ever forget the great reveal of Charles Cameo? Except for absolutely everyone who ever saw the episode." Ah! I see Charles Cameo has the same powers as former X-Man ForgetMeNot.
At the very least, the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon made him friends with Nova, so at least THERE he'd have a reason to get involved with cosmic-level stuff more often.
I usually joked about the reason why you never saw Spider-Man’s webs not attach to buildings was that the webs were attached to the top of the TV screen.
I love it
That's some Deadpool-thinking right there!
They actually addressed this in the first Lego Marvel game: Spider-Man and other characters that can web-swing can't do so on the Helicarrier because there's nothing to attach to.
@@Bismuth83X I was referring to in the 1967 Spider-Man cartoon series when you see that happen, Not just from a video game.
9:48 - I think the creator of One Piece must be a fan of the 1967 Spider-Man since he created a character that did that swinging from clouds thing. 😂
Dementia 5 sounds like if we started adding Dragon Ball-style power levels to mental disorders.
I assume that we do.
" You're not dealing with the *average* Dementia patient... "
or
" My child is a *Super* honor student! "
" oh yeah? Well my child has ADHD-Z! "
I'm pretty sure Goku has dementia, given how unbelievably stupid he is.
I’d watch it.
Every time I learn something new about Ralph Bakshi, it's always something batshit. I thought his antics peaked when he punched the face of the producer on Cool World for changing so much of the story. But no. Turns out it's when he evaded the Canadian police after stealing animation cells.
God love him.
Dude's a freaking legend. An insane individual that gave us equally insane cartoons.
Say what you will about Bakshi, but stories like this are why he's quite possibly the most interesting man in the history of animation. 😆
Bakshi seems to have the life of a cartoon or comic character when you think about it
Literally every story I have heard about Cool World is insane.
Kim Basinger wanted it to be rated G. So it could be shown to children. Sick children, in hospitals!
Didn’t realize Rocket Robin Hood of all shows would involve a story of Ralph Bakshi trying to evade Canadian Police.
The 60’s truly were a wild time!
That was a much more interesting story than the "Dementia Five" stuff in the cartoon.
I didn't realize until now that Rocket Robin Hood was even a thing and I was born in 1992.
@@smb-c3po you’re acting like you’re the only one. MANY people including myself had never heard of this prior to this video.
DON'T EVER ASK RALPH BAKSHI ABOUT IT. EVER. IT WILL NOT END WELL FOR YOU.
I love how this turned into a "true crime" story for a minute
When Ralph Bakshi dies? I'd love to see a 90-100 minute biographical comic thriller around his tenure as the show runner on Rocket Robin Hood and Spider-Man.
@@Volvagia1927 ...or do it while he is alive?
All my life, whenever my sister and I would waste food, my parents would always refer to us a "Friar Tuck." I vaguely knew that was a Robin Hood character but I never knew which version they were referencing. Until now.
I love aggressive wholesomeness of Spider-Man admiring the night sky. “Fuck, I love these stars!”
"I love these stars... and Extasy! Yup! Nuthin' better than star gazing while teipballs
It was the 60s and he was high as fuck… in more ways than one.
Those aliens must be retro snobs.
“It’s analog! It has a warmer sound!”
Hey, if it works for Soundwave and Blaster...
I heard of stealing plots and animations but never before did I think I would see them straight up steal an entire episode and basically turn it into Spider-Man fan fiction
Well at least some justice was achieved when Super Sentai ripped off Leopardon from Supaidaman and then Power Rangers ripped off that to make Megazords
@@zeroattentiongaming820 Power Ranger is literally an american adaption of Super Sentai using the same suits and footage licenced the company that owns it. That's not a rip off. Not to mention both Sentai and the Japanese Spider-Man are done by the same company, if anything it's just recycling their stuff.
twice
The story of Ralph Bakshi going from animation to directing his own films is a fascinating one!
Fritz was bizarre
I bet Phelous really is a stoner, isn't he?
Seriously, the more I know about Bakshi the more fascinating it gets.
The stories this guy has I'm sure would be amazing just because of the times he lived in.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu yeah
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu And?
I do like the red villains design. It’s real creepy and fun and slightly reminds me of an xenomorph . Granted I’m a sucker for old shoestring budget cartoons so I am biased
And his costume changes every time he changes poses
@@owllymannstein7113 I mean , he’s from the 5th dimension so it’s ok if there’s animation errors
The problem is Infinata doesn't really fit in a Spider-Man story.
A mystical humanoid from another dimension who can destroy galaxies? That's not a Spider-Man villain. That's a Thor villain or a Silver Surfer villain or a Fantastic Four villain.
It reminds me both of the Juralians and the Blood loving Spider like aliens from Star Control II
I'm pretty sure it was called Dementia Five because they hoped you'd totally forget it before watching it again, but with Spiderman.
They probably planned to use the same material for 3 more cartoons, too
everywhere at the end of Spiderman
On the topic of the _Rocket Robin Hood_ character bios they would reuse endlessly to pad out time, I always had a soft spot for Prince' John's, which stated that he wanted to "Destroy and Conquer the entire solar system." Aren't they mutually exclusive? I like to think that he wanted to do this in that specific order, first destroy the solar system, then conquer the destroyed rubble.
That was a problem with a lot of old cartoons, even into the 1980s. The villains would want to do evil stuff just because they were evil even if they would not benefit from it at all.
Maybe he didn't want to destroy it as in, physically atomize it, but more destroy it in the sense of making it really shitty and hard to live in through his horrible oppressive policies.
"How do we communicate this character is a one-off cameo?"
"Cameo!? Thomas Cameo! It's PERFECT! And DEFINITELY sounds like a real name that people have!"
The weirdest part is...he wasn't even a one off character. Charles Cameo apparently appeared in an episode before the two Spiderman one where he impersonated the president.
@@robo-nidai4236 wait REALLY?!😂
Backshi: "Well, I'm an international criminal. Better make a feature-length x-rated furry movie about life in the inner city, where I grew up."
Dude lived a life
It's not often you see animated shows literally and almost completely recycle the same material for something else like this
It isn't often you see cartoons almost completely reuse the same material for another show like this.
🤨😒😒😒
I see what I did there.
As opposed to figuratively recycling it?
So its like power rangers
Yeah right?! If Bakshi was a furry he could earn 8000 bucks for one frame of this tracing-himself material.
@@smb-c3po oh my god🤦♀️ go to hell! Stop spamming!
Now all we need is for Rocket Robin Hood to appear in the next Spide-verse movie.
Could be just me, but Dementia Five seems more like an adventure for Doctor Strange than Spider-Man
although the villain was basically Mysterio
Dang you're right!
Sounds like the 5th stage of demntia
Are we sure it's not a prequel to Francis Ford Coppola's Dementia 13 ?
That said, Spidey seemed to be getting all sorts of stories fit for other superheroes in his cartoons. 🤔 In the 1981 series he kept fighting Doctor Doom for instance.
Or Nova. Or the Guardians of the Galaxy. Or the X-Men. Or the Fantastic Four. Or the Inhumans. Or Captain Marvel. Or Thor. Or...
Phelous just casually revealing that Halloweenie is actually his own skeleton, presumably animated after his death following the events of Phelous and the Movies. Here I thought we were done with Phelan being killed and coming back again!
🤣
This is literally just what I used to do as a kid where when I watched a show or movie I liked to imagine it with characters from another work I liked, except this is a real thing that someone did.
Once again the story behind the cartoon is more interesting that the actual cartoon.
PD If dimension 5 was all illusions, they could have revealed at the end that all was a plan of Misterio.
Was not disappointed by the Hallow-weenie cameo! I miss that guy! 😥
Your not the only one, I wish he comes back 😢
@@yorkieratproductions Well Octobers coming up, maybe this year is his big come back!
@@Cycl0id well I did really enjoy the crazy thing he did in 2020🤣
@@Cycl0id Fingers crossed this marks the return of Halloweenie Radio!
I love Halloweenie. I rewatch those videos every October to get me in the Halloween spirit.
It's funny. Years ago, Phelous answered questions I always asked about Dragon Ball Z changing dubs from Ocean, to FUNimation, back to Ocean (in Canada at least) in his review of the big green dub for DBZ. Now he's answering questions I *never* asked about Rocket Robin Hood, another show I grew up seeing occasionally.
I guess it's not _that_ funny. Anyway, good content.
heh, that story about Ralph having to escape Canadian police sounds like something out of a malicious compliance Reddit story. It is weird to see them use the actual animation assets over so blatantly, but old cartoons having the same basic plot and animation is pretty common. Some examples off the top of my head include Bugs Bunny and Tom and Jerry doing that piano playing episode, or EVERYONE doing that "baby wandering around while the protagonist tries to protect them" story...and I mean everyone quite literally, I've seen it done by Tom and Jerry, Yogi Bear, Bugs Bunny, Popeye, Felix, it was then ENTIRE premise of Buttons and Mindy on Animaniacs, and heck I think they even did a Sonic episode back in the Dic days...
Oh hey👋😊
Also, shrinking down teeny tiny to go into someone's body was a popular one.
I assume it would have been more common in the pre-VHS days.
It used to be more of a wild west in cartoons. There's an episode of Spider-Woman where straight up a bunch of Chewbacca's showed up. And why not, who's gonna go tell Lucas? It's not like there was a home video market even. Is this even gonna run more than once? Fuck it, the bad guy's live in a giant Darth Vader helmet now.
To say nothing of how many videogames used a similar concept for an insufferable escort mission or two.
Rocket Robin Hood looks like one of those old "Flash Gordon" knock-offs from back in the day. A lot of sci-fi back in the day was very pulp-y like that, and the Star Trek franchise, which existed at the time, was in it's infancy, so these kind of things had yet to die off... somewhat. Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy were heavily Flash Gordon inspired, especially in their early days, but evolved into their own things.
My biggest surprise from this is that Ralph Bakshi was involved in all of this, and this was before he became a household name among animation buffs.
If Friar Tuck only eats one bite of each food and still gains weight he probably has a glandular problem and the fact that Robin makes fun of him makes him a jerk. More like Rockhead Robin Hood, amirite?
💀
*A dimensional space cat would make sense in the Marvel universe.* There's always amazing fantasies going on over there.
Theres a dimensional space cat in Godzilla Vs Hedora/The Smog Monsters the video game metal black by taito and the movie end of evengelion in all threee they just show up for a few second with zero context.
Spider-Man was the 15th Amazing Fantasy.
There was a giant cyberspace cat called Catscan in Issues 6-7 of Doom 2099.
I'm surprised something like that DOESN'T exist in the Marvel Universe.
5:38 Oh so that's where the clip in your Hunchback of Notre Dame (Golden Films) came from. Six years and I never understood the reference nor did I care to look up Rocket Robin Hood... I made the right choice.
I remember both cartoons fondly from childhood, although I saw the Spider Man version of this episode first. I saw the RRH version during the mid-2000's, and shook my head all the way through. God love Ralph Bakshi
When Bakshi worked at Terrytoons in the mid-late 60's, his shows James Hound and The Mighty Heroes did reuse footage from episode to episode, but it was more like the Filmation model. Close ups and certain action sequences. Nothing as severe as this, though. Budget seems to be one of his worst enemies. Mighty Mouse: The New Adventures kept going over budget and behind schedule so badly that several of the 11 minute segments across two seasons were clip shows. Some even using old Terrytoons cartoon footage.
If I understood that right, the secret that these aliens found out about Dementia 5, which was also the reason for that red cyclop to blow everything up, was that Dementia 5 did actually not exist?
Or at least you could just leave it any time you wanted to by closing your eyes.
Something like that, yes... lol.
They can't hurt you if you don't think about them.
Except blow up your galaxy, that they can do, very easily.
He didn't want anyone to know how truly pathetic his life was.
That's not the only time. The RRH episode which had that insect-guy playing the organ (Dr. Manta?) was also stolen.
I can still remember the tag line from both cartoons: "The hills! They walk again!"
In RRH, it took place on an asteroid while in Spiderman, it took place on an island.
This is my issue with Hanna-Barbera's output, considering how often they used the same concept over and over and over again...
Also, that story about Ralph Bakshi was _wild_ ... truth is stranger than fiction indeed...
I mean they truly became the industry standard when it came to reusing animation.
And most of Hanna-Barbera's characters are knockoffs of random celebrities. They even had two different Phil Silvers knockoffs.
@@almightycinder
But how many kids though from the '60s and '70s would have caught on to that. Not many I'm guessing.
and they were the Good ones
God I love these old 60s hero cartoons, so stupid but so sincere, incredible stuff
Gods*
SitStrongman, I agree. It’s pretty fun learning about this crazy stuff 😜
I really can't get enough of old cheap animation, like old Funimation and Hanna-Barbera stuff, and anime from the '60s and '70s.
@@holdingpattern245 Until you eventually do.
@@smb-c3po shut up
Phelan's end animation was more entertaining that the Rocket Robin Hood and Spider-man episodes combined.
So, the same episode twice?
Imagine if this was done today. You'll be seeing an episode of Rise of the TMNT, then later you'll watch SpongeBob and it recycle the same background, characters, and plot, but with SpongeBob in it, instead of the turtles.
While not recycling the animation and voice recordings, writer David Wise would recycle his scripts between the various cartoons he worked on. Transformers' "The Girl Who Loved Powerglide" became ""Poor Little Rich Turtle" . He-Man's "Day of the Machines" became Transformers'..."Day of the Machines", and some elements of this script were repeated in another Transformers episode, "Microbots". "Microbots" was later recycled into TMNT's "Shredder & Splintered".
Even as a kid I remember noticing the "Microbots" / "Shredder & Splintered" recycling. Both stories involve the heroes going inside of one of the villains (à la the movie Fantastic Voyage) to retrieve a MacGuffin. The Autobots shrunk and entered Megatron, while Krang grew to giant size and the Turtles went inside of him. The heroes must hurry to exit the villain as the Autobots / Krang start returning to their normal size. Upon the heroes exiting the now same-sized, baffled villain, one of the heroes says "Uh, excuse us."
See the "Recycle-o-matic" section of the "David Wise" article on tfwiki dot net for a more extensive list of the scripts he recycled. He recycled scripts between He-Man, Transformers, TMNT, Defenders of the Earth, and The New Adventures of Speed Racer.
They haven't done that yet so far.
And if Genndy Tartakovsky did that, we would see a new episode of “Primal” that really just an old episode of “Samurai Jack”, with Spear and Fang pasted on top of Jack and the Scotsman.
@@smb-c3po that would literally NEVER happen. That is just a hypothetical example. 🤦♀️
Well Peter, that’s something that will hopefully NEVER happen
I'd be totally on board with a "Garfield in Dementia Five" episode, ngl.
Funny how he used the U.S. Acres/Orson's Farm title card music for that gag, but oh well. (Yes, I'm a big enough Garfield and Friends nerd to have known that.)
Ah, yes.
The Spider-Man episode that let five year old me understand how a bad acid trip felt.
I'd be joking, but twenty years later I verified that yeah, that was the feeling.
What do Spider-Man, a forgotten sci fi robin hood cartoon and being a fugitive from Canadian justice have in common?
More than i thought!
🎵More than meets the eye!🎵
I would love to see infinata as a modern Spider-Man villain because he has a potential to be an Eldritch type of villain
So just so I understand, the dimensions in order are 1-3) Height, Width, Depth, 4) Time and 5) Space Cats. MAKES SENSE!
I have a shirt of a Space Cat!
Slightly less trippy than what was used in this cartoon.
Maybe they were just high.
@@smb-c3po why must you ruin everything?!
Well, it would explain why all the Time Sweepers are cats.
@@BATCHARRO [ONLY ON XBOX]
Whenever Halloweenie shows up it is unexpected... but welcome.
I remember Rocket Robin Hood, none of the episodes, but I remember it being on when I woke up early and there was nothing else to watch. So similar experiences there. I did not know that it forced Ralph Bakshi to flee Canada for a while though. That is... not surprising, but still very insane.
This is a great video and I agree rocket robin hood truly was part of the dark ages of cartoons
Fun Fact: Rocket Robin Hood also featured Ming the Merciless, the archenemy of Flash Gordon.
"It's some kind of dimension that is easily transplantable into any cartoon series!"
Now I want to see Johnny Bravo get pulled into dimentia 5. Anyone else?
Even as a kid I noticed that these two episodes were exactly the same. Didn't know the stuff about Bakshi, though. The animation "style" of Rocket Robin Hood and Spider-Man even inspired an animation of my own.
Considering I loved the Friar Tuck clip from the Golden Hunchback episode, it's about time we get the full story behind Rocket Robin Hood and the Spidey/Bakshi connection.
Mmm
that's the first time I had ever heard of this show
I’m happy to have extra context to that now 😊
This was great, never heard of rocket robin hood but boy this sure brings back memories! Love hearing the stories behind these things too, who would had guessed the story behind this was as much a comic book story as the show itself! Gives it a whole new appreciation!
And I thought those God-awful Huckleberry Hound specials were the worst animation I'd ever seen. Nope, this takes the cake! Although the presence of Dimensional Space Cat immediately rights all wrongs. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, from the bottom of my cold black little heart, for this fine video, Phelous! I especially liked your animated bit at the end. And I swear, I will binge watch your old Halloweenie series many, many times in hopes of boosting your view count. I think those videos are pretty great. And since at least two stores near me already busted out the Halloween candy displays late in July, I'll consider Halloweenie to be seasonal watching. Keep on being amazing, Phelous. Love you, love your content! 🖤
This was a really good video. I was generally aware of the recycling that occurred, but not the backstory behind it. (Ralph Bakshi becoming a fugitive in Canada, etc.)
What's really stupid is that they animated Spider-Man's mouth moving during the scenes where originally two characters were talking to each other. They could have had Spider-Man just THINKING these things instead of talking to himself, which would have made more sense and saved them some money/effort.
8:50 Weird that the Robin Hood episode had the aliens moving and the Spider-Man episode didn't, when it looks like nothing needed to be modified in the scene.
It's great to finally hear the story behind these episodes. As a kid, I figured the cartoons were probably related, but I haven't thought about them until your video. As for Spider-Man web shooting into the sky, my mother explained to me that he was actually swinging from buildings in the foreground we couldn't see from our POV, in-between Spider-Man and buildings. Keep up the great work! Always a joy to see your uploads in my subscriptions.
This isn't even stealing the plot. It's literally taking the episode of Rocket Robin Hood and putting Spider-Man's animation cels over it.
Tobey Maguire would never…
As opposed to figuratively taking the episode?
Still better writing than any episode from the 2017 cartoon even if it recycled.
@@smb-c3po shut up
But who can forget when Ralph Bakshi worked with GoodTimes to produce Old Man in Dementia 5?
"Nye- w- a hole appeared in this door? It looks like I'm expected!"
"I don't understand his language but he's projecting a message at me! It's completely useless..."
It makes sense, inception did teach us that time runs differently in a dream, so Spider-man was just falling to his death the whole time.
9:35 well that was the inspiration for Donflaminco and how he could easily travel around with his string powers.
Now all I want for the next 1st April is "Wabuu and Old Man go to Dementia Five".
I think my favorite part of this entire review is you pointing out Frier Tuck wasting all that food in his profile segment. Every time I saw that back in the day, I kept wondering if that was a thing people did back then, like, just bite into food once and then throw it away. I even remember later seeing an episode of the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids TV series where Wayne brings back barbarians from olden times and one of them actually takes a bite of a chicken leg or something like that and then puts it back on the plate.
I saw rocket robin hood only a few times when I was very young. Years later, I thought it was some kind of fever dream of a thing that didn't really exist until I saw you presenting the friar tuck animation loop for one of your videos many years later.
I like that when the three Spider-Men met on the set of No Way Home they ALL immediately assumed the infamous three spider pointing meme on instinct. There's a great photoshoot for it.
Ships are too big to wear tinfoil hats, so you gotta improvise by turning them into meteors.
Had no idea a theft of assets story would be applied to a spider-man plot
25:29 "I have been falling for THIRTY MINUTES!"
EH!
"Can't find a picture of Al Guest but i imagine he looked like the Old Man from Pulse" ahahahha :D
I remember i had that exact Pulse movie on pirated VHS tape (only other source of movies when i was kid was TV, everything else was bootleg tapes and stuff)
And on that bootleg tape, this movie was called "Conversation over wires", it's how i remembered it, and it's was usual thing for VHS bootlegers to call movie whatever they want.
I remember thinking, I would never found this movie, and now it's just a meme in Phelan's videos.
20:18: Why do those high contrast shots look so good?
Ralph Bakshi is really one of the weirdest guys in the industry, but I still love hearing stories about this absolutely insane man
"Rocket Robin Hood is sooo stupid." -Wabuu
One of my favorite things about the use of the classic villains in the Spider-Man cartoon was that time that the Green Goblin tried to summon literal demons from Hell to make him into a Devil.
Well, in the comics there was that time Hell invaded New York City and the then-current Hobgoblin (Norman was still 'dead' and Harry hadn't yet donned the costume, IIRC) made a deal with the devil to become a demon.
Love the crazy space cat! I love all the cat jokes! This is another fun whacky episode! Please do more old school Marvel cartoons reviews!
My god the lifting of the elements..hell an entire episode of another show and then just copy paste Spider-Man over it and allowing it to be aired even back then.
Infinata looks a bit like Annihilus from Marvel Comics, an insectoid creature who ruled an other-dimensional realm called the Negative Zone. However, that character didn't appear in print until November 1968, two years after Rocket Robin Hood aired.
Unexpected Halloweenie cameos add so much to any video :)
Ralph Bakshi reusing animation for multiple shows before Hanna-Barbera made it cool.
EH!
Even Disney recycled animation in their classic animated movies, but it wasn't as obvious when they did it, at least for me. I never noticed the recycled animation in Disney films until it was pointed out to me in side-by-side comparison videos.
@@KasumiKenshirou I remember as a kid trying to sync up Disney movies on different VCRs to prove to my parents that they had duplicated certain animations
This might be the wildest use of recycled footage I've ever heard of. It almost sounds like something someone would do to make some kind of bootleg cartoon, like someone wanted to sell an illegal Spider-Man cartoon on little to no budget so they just recycled from another show and hoped no one would notice. Like when a Chinese bootleg Harry Potter book was literally just The Hobbit but with text at the beginning and end explaining how Harry Potter turned himself into a Hobbit.
Nice of Garf to play along given that he is an eldricth horror
I totally remember this!
I remember seeing this as a child and thinking to myself "Infernata was already defeated by Rocket Robin Hood! Why is he now fighting Spider-Man?"
And hey, don't be knocking Rocket Robin Hood! When you think about the other cartoons that were on TV at the time, it was pretty awesome! The only seriously GOOD cartoons at the time were all dubbed Anima like Grendizer, Space pirate Captain Herlock, Captain Future, Star Blazers and Speed Racer. Most of those weren't widely seen until the mid to late 80s.
He seriously turned his ship into a tin foil hat to block the signals controlling his brain. Yup, it's the 60s.
I love how the reused cels look so much crisper in the Spiderman version.
I assumed that was mostly to do with the ease of getting good quality copies of the more famous property.
Good that it's Sunday, that galaxy would be filled with living beings tomorrow.
It's always nice to see guys from Mortal Komedy "Charles" Cameo in your videos.
Planet exploding in the Spider-man version
Tien: Look, I can see their space parachutes! They are okay!
The exact same plot used between two different shows. Obviously this was a meta commentary about the repetitive format of children's programing in the 60's! You just don't watch enough Rick and Morty to comprehend how Big Brain Time it is!
I can see the potential of such story, if it was rewritten properly... Here is my pitch:
The oracle cat is an ordinary feline in appearance, but his retinae are stocking the information of a defunct solar system before its star went supernova. Its inhabitants were in a hurry and went for this weird compression method as the cat was the only readily available thing they had, because of the dying star radiations disabling their compression supports. A tyrant named Infinitas somehow went into possession of the animal. He initially wanted to gouge his eyes out and extract all the information with his technology, but the oracle cat defused the menace just by one quick glance. The amount of information the oracle cat holds is such, a prolonged eye contact can render a person mad, or fry their brain. Infinitas thought he could use the cat to quench his thirst of conquest, while he effectively was turned into a puppet. The cat used Infinitas to get everything he wanted: immortality, submission of all beings, an immense territory, the best food, a harem of female cats... It's the territorial instinct of the animal, which lead him to barge into Rocket Robin or Spiderman's life. As they're are driven to solve the growing threat, they're at first unaware that the real menace is the pet not the guy seemingly owning him...
Theres a dimensional space cat in Godzilla Vs Hedora/The Smog Monsters the video game metal black by taito and the movie end of evengelion in all threee they just show up for a few second with zero context.
Rocket Robinhood is one of those weird childhood shows I remember watching, but remember almost nothing about. Of course, Fryer Tuck's eating loop is the only thing I actually remember. Though it aired before I was born so my experience with it was on Teletoon Retro. Also that part about them dodging the law was far more entertaining than the show itself lmao
A galaxy exploding? Don't worry about the massive death count in this children's cartoon, I can see their parachutes! They're okay!
Fun fact: 2 different places in marvel comics history have been referred to as “the fifth dimension”
Not only are they nowhere near equivalent to one another but they’re also not remotely similar to dimensia 5
I really liked this obscure and interesting tale. This may just be me, but I feel like the writers probably originally intended for the person who received the tiny knowledge orb to ingest it, for obvious reasons. That would have been a cool resolution, especially in the Spider-Man version. I wonder if Infinata is in the public domain now, they could turn that into a pretty cool storyline for the comics. Spider-Man accidentally becoming a living library of esoteric knowledge, being hunted by this extra-dimensional creature, etc. It would be a real hit.
This was far from the last time Ralph reused assets. There is a spider episode where he travels into another world to get some crystals needed to destroy a giant plant monster. They did it twice, Witt the onl6 difference being the nature of the monster. One time a giant daisy, another a huge rolling seed. Literally every else is reused.
Rocket Robin Hood was the bane of my existence as a kid! I swear Teletoon's entire nighttime weekend programming block in the 90s was just Rocket Robin Hood on a loop.
3:48 this show has the best character of all time here
Those Empinadas usually taste good like Meat pockets with pastry.
A fan of both, I picked up on this as a kid. Also as a kid, I was confounded as to why. I was a running gag between me and my buddies.
I had fuzzy memories of Robin Hood in a rocket, a very old looking cartoon that i had to watch because there was nothing else.
Before he was reviewing cheap Halloween decorations, Halloweenie was red while blowing up planets in Dementia 5.
20:25 For some reason, this reminds me of that one scene in Dio’s palace in JoJos Bizarre Adventure.
I never did realize how many shows reuse each others plots.
Disney themselves did it for a number of their movies. I think the most famous is Cinderella or Snow White being reused for Robin Hood.
It's freaking amazing what they did but extremely obvious when you see it pointed out.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu wait a second that was animation not plot. Also you got it wrong: it was the jungle book and Robin hood
@@gracekim1998 there was also a bit of Snow White when Marion dances at the party, but I don't remember any reused animation from Cinderella.
@@ginogatash4030 oh I see🤔
Still goes on today.
More like reusing plot devices but still pretty much the same.
This was both hilarious and fascinating! I hope you do more 60s Spiderman stuff. It was my favorite show as a kid and I love revisiting it through Phelous' unique perspective.
"Who could ever forget the great reveal of Charles Cameo? Except for absolutely everyone who ever saw the episode."
Ah! I see Charles Cameo has the same powers as former X-Man ForgetMeNot.
That’s an actual character too?🤣
At the very least, the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon made him friends with Nova, so at least THERE he'd have a reason to get involved with cosmic-level stuff more often.
Thank you for that Halloweenie cameo! I love Halloweenie's show!
Thee old cartoons would often mix up "galaxy" and "solar system" as did old classic scifi.