Korg Drumlogue Sound Demo (no talking)

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  • @kaioyoca
    @kaioyoca 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Everyone who always says they want something that sounds different than 808 and 909 and when that something comes out the comments are: "but the kick is soft, the metallic sound, too fi". Keep your 808 and 909 which are the only ones that will fit you for the next 20 years!

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Different good bad sounding is what it is though

    • @barryjefferies3201
      @barryjefferies3201 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think it's WICKED sounding ❤😊 like a Drumbrute xL 😅😊Jaffa Jenkins jams 😊

    • @rodolpheponthus2948
      @rodolpheponthus2948 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@SonicVibestop saying at each comment that this machine sounds bad. Say you don't like it. See the difference ?

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rodolpheponthus2948 facts ty but it did get discontinued already so yeah

  • @rodolpheponthus2948
    @rodolpheponthus2948 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Don't understand why so much guys hate on this drum machine. It sounds excellent

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They are people devoid of wits. But Korg priced it a little high for what it is and has.

  • @Jason75913
    @Jason75913 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I like this demo better than the others.

    • @ianmorton1799
      @ianmorton1799 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, my main misgivings were that I don't like a workflow that involves a lot of sample selection, and that I hadn't gotten a very wide selection of the analog sounds. While nine of this is anything like the music I'd make, it still gives a better idea of the actual sound than any other video I've seen yet.

  • @roberthenderson8669
    @roberthenderson8669 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    a future classic no doubt

  • @clarenzlarka
    @clarenzlarka ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Superb tool. Nice form factor, ease of use and plenty of useful tones. Thanks, Korg!

    • @guidelineuk
      @guidelineuk ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah and only 32 MB 😂😂...

  • @PaulBoos
    @PaulBoos 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a great sounding drum machine. I especially dug 8:55

  • @kevindewinter8235
    @kevindewinter8235 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I saw a lot of drumlogue vids and It’s much deeper than i thought. Kick and all sounds great. New sounds for new times i ordered one. Can’t wait to hook it up on my analog heat/acidbox

  • @williamwalker3953
    @williamwalker3953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Oh shit. This is the kinda demo I was looking for, fast and hard. TY TY

  • @BXLrules
    @BXLrules 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I like it! Again an awesome demo, you never disappoint. I'll add this one to my collection of drum machines, the open SDK, korg circuit design and knowhow is promising. Plenty of tools available to make it sound gritty, so I like that it sounds so wholesome and balanced.

  • @RetroPlus
    @RetroPlus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Looks like a nice piece of gear, perfect for pairing with the other logues

    • @iima___
      @iima___ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      might be the point..

    • @vinylselektaz6475
      @vinylselektaz6475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@iima___ they should’ve put all the sound engines in one unit.

    • @ianmorton1799
      @ianmorton1799 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely. I feel like with the ability to sequence a 64 step bass line on here (I'm assuming that you can sequence external gear as well as the internal synth) you could connect a prologue 16, split the keyboard, and have drums, bass, and lead with only two pieces of gear. Of course, it can be great to add more, but I'm the type of minimalist looking for the ways to make a song with the least gear. This could really be great with the prologue, or both XD and OG minilogue...or the sky is the limit

  • @cj1000xyu
    @cj1000xyu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    06:42 - Suspicions that, as it has multiple outs, analogue, digital, samples and onboard FX, this would be great for Dub Techno; confirmed.

    • @Bonn5656
      @Bonn5656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      a bit muddy but yeah u right:D:D

  • @whatevraa
    @whatevraa ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Im surprised that the kicks sund nice and modern, compared to other machines!

  • @herbertdruschke503
    @herbertdruschke503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    i like korg a lot so i was very excited about this machine. but arghhh.....at first only very mildly impressed........i was like... WTF...until 5:17 min when its really going to groove. resumee: sounds very interesting in my ears and looks very nice with some MS20 design quotes (in left poti area). i think a direct competitor can be the erica LXR2 which ist not analogue, but very complex and capable of analogue behaviour. resumee 2: you can never have enough drum machines. 😁 thanks for the video.

    • @OliverGreschke
      @OliverGreschke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hehe, salute Herbert !! :) Yeah, the main drum machine part - the kick - sounds a bit flat/boring unfortunately ... plok, plok, plok ...give us some booooooom !!!. Definitely no LXR2 replacement, but maybe an addition with it's other cool features :)

    • @herbertdruschke503
      @herbertdruschke503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@OliverGreschke ;-) salute, oliver! absolutely 100% d´accord with you. and yes, beeing totally addicted to hardware drum machines i was thinking about adding the drumlogue to the LXR. but.......maybe electricity bill puts a spoke in my wheel 🤨😁

    • @OliverGreschke
      @OliverGreschke 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@herbertdruschke503 Ups, jetzt bin leider angetriggert ;) War nie ein Fan von Elektron, weil so kompliziert, aber das Ding klingt geil und könnte mehrere Maschinen ersetzen: th-cam.com/video/hPsPr8w-EGc/w-d-xo.html

    • @herbertdruschke503
      @herbertdruschke503 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@OliverGreschke tolle maschinen, keine frage. aber das (groovebox) konzept ist mir persönlich zu komplex und zu viel orgelei durch die ebenen und glotzerei aufs display. nach 2 monaten nicht dran arbeiten hätte ich mindestens die hälfte vergessen( persönliche kondition). da halte ich es lieber mit mehreren einfacheren maschinen. aber viel leute kommen super mit den teilen klar.

    • @OliverGreschke
      @OliverGreschke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@herbertdruschke503 Stimmt, da ist was dran, geht mir natürlich ähnlich

  • @ciatangallaghe2485
    @ciatangallaghe2485 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That third tune is bonkers

  • @MrDaigoRiki
    @MrDaigoRiki 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx for doing this video, very nice demo, I ordered one thank you! It’s on sale here in Japan, it costs 450$ 😊

  • @shirishsarkar
    @shirishsarkar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    i like the sound. seems well designed and versatile

  • @gsboss
    @gsboss ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i love the build on korgs. i know theres more to korg than that, but i always loved how my korgs felt

    • @C1c4da
      @C1c4da ปีที่แล้ว

      They really are beautiful machines.

  • @BargenMusic
    @BargenMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The hate on this makes no sense. It sounds REALLY good.

    • @BargenMusic
      @BargenMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Specially the kick.

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your trip-in it sounds flat thin tin and omg that snare is bad

    • @BargenMusic
      @BargenMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@SonicVibe not for me bro. Different is not bad in my opinion. Thin? What is thin? Most jazz snares are thin then? Piccolo snares are ACTUALLY thin, so? They sound good. Wtf is thin?

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BargenMusic you know how people listen 🎧 to music in them 10 dollars headphones verse proper studio monitors? well it sounds like the ten dollar ones the click of the button for the kick drum clicks louder then the kick drum 🥁 itself 😂

    • @Heathcliff_hensel
      @Heathcliff_hensel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SonicVibe all analog snares sound bad

  • @loki_music_is
    @loki_music_is หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think after EQ and compression sounds from this device should sound warm and powerfull

    • @Bonedo-Synthesizers
      @Bonedo-Synthesizers  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I also think that the Drumlogue is fairly underrated.

  • @liantrosretrospectiva4134
    @liantrosretrospectiva4134 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    better demo than others posted today but the machine still sounds quite lame

  • @phpn99
    @phpn99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Looks like a fun and powerful machine, but those drum sounds are dry as a bone

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seriously I thought I was crazy 😂 agreed

    • @dr.papadopolis7171
      @dr.papadopolis7171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Effects pedal problem solved

    • @mthomas1091
      @mthomas1091 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Where is all this bone-moisture-levels data??

  • @nateonearth
    @nateonearth ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sounds like it can be whatever you want it to be. Folks hating in the comments can’t see potential because they have none.

    • @rodolpheponthus2948
      @rodolpheponthus2948 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great comment. Most of these haters don't imagine what guys had to work out classics out of very basic tools.
      This is true for Electronic music, but also for all those classic rock albums made with 4 tracks, or very basic studios..

  • @technopop1260
    @technopop1260 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    お買い上げ~🌠

  • @Dudderlyful
    @Dudderlyful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Got a flubby sort of sound to it. Low end is quite fluffy. Like a kind of smiley faced eq sound to it

  • @meedily
    @meedily 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Was really hoping for something to take out the Analog Rytm.

    • @vinylselektaz6475
      @vinylselektaz6475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea Korg missed the opportunity

    • @vernellshelton90
      @vernellshelton90 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Take out the rytm……..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @pozsoz
      @pozsoz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It does. You hear this and say, let me take out my Analog Rytm. On the "good side", this is like a third of the price of the ARMKII

  • @mikegeary8056
    @mikegeary8056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sounds good to me.

  • @blaizet7600
    @blaizet7600 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This sounds really really good. Feeling tempted to buy it.

  • @raffitchakmakjian
    @raffitchakmakjian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    am I crazy for thinking it sounds great? Like seriously, sounds like an absolute beast. I think people just see Korg and are like meh. Put it in a Jomox case and people would be like "it's amazing".

    • @BargenMusic
      @BargenMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think it sounds amazing too.

    • @vinylselektaz6475
      @vinylselektaz6475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s just a basic drum machine. I don’t hear anything

    • @BargenMusic
      @BargenMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@vinylselektaz6475 I mean it’s drums. Not space monkeys. I hear nice drums.

    • @raffitchakmakjian
      @raffitchakmakjian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@BargenMusic he's being a hater. It sounds unique, it has a synth engine. Dudes being a troll.

    • @vinylselektaz6475
      @vinylselektaz6475 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@raffitchakmakjian I can use Arturia DrumBrute if that’s the case.

  • @vit9dobro
    @vit9dobro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    amazing machine🤙

  • @lX-NDR
    @lX-NDR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    very good drumsounds!

  • @Bonn5656
    @Bonn5656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how is it, how did u feel jaming with it? +u had fun or? ;D (ofc nice vid.) cheers!

  • @hysterique_dominus
    @hysterique_dominus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello! I have a question for users of this drum machine:
    So, the body of my unit from below heats up quite noticeably
    Is this normal?
    Also the encoders under the display sometimes give erroneous values, for example when adjusting the amount of reverb or filter etc
    Are there similar nuances in your Drumlogue?
    1.2.0 software, also i initialize full reset of device
    rotate the encoders both very quickly and very slowly, and it happens that I rotate the encoder to the right to increase the value, but sometimes it, on the contrary, abruptly changes downward
    this is weird
    Does this happen to you?
    and this drum machine heats up noticeably in the area of ​​the plastic bottom, somewhat similar in temperature and sensation to heating a laptop

  • @AlekseiDroganov
    @AlekseiDroganov ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hello. Can you please tell me how hard is the Korg Drumlogue for a beginner to master? say learning curve? thank you

    • @Bonedo-Synthesizers
      @Bonedo-Synthesizers  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I found it quite easy to learn. Way easier than a Roland TR-8S, for example

  • @PrimitiveInTheExtreme
    @PrimitiveInTheExtreme ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🔝🔝🔝

  • @mrgratis561
    @mrgratis561 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this a successor to the electribe 2? How do you think it compares?

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Electribe2 is a groovebox, this is a drum machine. Or "failed groovebox", if you wish. Drumlogue sounds are much clearer and the overall sound is cleaner than an Electribe2. Best to combine Drumlogue with other synths rather try to hammer out a full groove on the Drumlogue alone like you could on a proper groovebox like the Electribe2. Same way you'd handle a TR-909, basically.

  • @Paulsmusik28237
    @Paulsmusik28237 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Im a korg Fan and drumlogue sounds good and all
    but poor men cant spent money.

  • @ageshero
    @ageshero 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s not the sounds that mess with me, it’s the interface, and expectation that this could have functioned closer to an electribe 2

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's definitely as overly simplistic as the Electribe2.

  • @ГлебПолищук-с8о
    @ГлебПолищук-с8о 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Very soft kick!

    • @timemasterhms
      @timemasterhms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Soft kick is good for processing, but if you want SOOTB good kicks, this isn't for you.

    • @Claidheambmor
      @Claidheambmor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@timemasterhms this is so true, soft kicks without massive transients and sausage-like body take very well to external processing. :D

    • @g1rlchild
      @g1rlchild 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can get some harder kicks out of this. Check out some of the Oscillator Sink videos as well.

    • @sarahhey8654
      @sarahhey8654 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Use its compressor to fatten up the softness

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s almost laughable bad kick and snare and I’m cranking my studio monitors and barely hear it .

  • @damiangorgolewski3243
    @damiangorgolewski3243 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello,
    is it possible to load own samples into maschine?
    if yes or even if no, is possible to humanize the drums? something like j dilla vibe

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can humanize using the Global Groove settings and individual note offsets.

  • @spcsh1936
    @spcsh1936 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    are all sounds here coming from this machine only?

  • @JayTheBarber603
    @JayTheBarber603 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    😭😭😭 One more thing I don’t need to know exists

  • @chinmeysway
    @chinmeysway ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i mean.... presets can be know to sound kinda silly? or are these not presets. not all of it is silly, just needs much more time probably per element, or hopefully it is that.

    • @chinmeysway
      @chinmeysway ปีที่แล้ว

      that and some distortion would be helpful!

  • @zyxyuv1650
    @zyxyuv1650 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The kicks have a lot of sub bass but not a lot of kick. At 0:30 you almost had a basic electro kick but it was still really soft and not kicky. I didn't hear any usable kicks in the whole video, just sub-bass drums. You almost got there at 4:50 but the transient part sounded disconnected from the sub bass which had a much slower attack, turning it into a rolling sub-bassline with a pre attack. I didn't hear one regular meaty kick drum sound where the transient and the sub bass were both tight.

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Factory grooves could use volume boost to the kick, and a bunch of them do not have the kick maxxed out, so there is room to boost it.
      The triangle analogue sub needs a bit of tweaking in some factory kits.

  • @CR-sj7xd
    @CR-sj7xd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    kick anda snare is meh, but is cool for conga style sounds

  • @russellsmodernlife
    @russellsmodernlife ปีที่แล้ว

    So this is like electribe em-1 ...

  • @reptilespantoso
    @reptilespantoso 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    beefy

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It the opposite to me

  • @ninja_baseball_bat_man
    @ninja_baseball_bat_man ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought one and never sold a piece of gear faster. USB midi implementation is broken and personally I didn’t get any inspiration from the sounds or interface.

  • @iima___
    @iima___ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Might be good for some users, but if they incorporated an overbridge like functionality to actually make it useable with daw/sidechaining, would be way better for broader group of producers

    • @Bonedo-Synthesizers
      @Bonedo-Synthesizers  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      it has internal sidechaining and I guess, one of the main points of an external drum machine with individual outs is the possibility to use it without any computer. But having Audio via USB doesn't hurt, either

    • @Heathcliff_hensel
      @Heathcliff_hensel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just get an audio interface to record. Its really not an issue.

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mpc does all this in box

    • @Bonedo-Synthesizers
      @Bonedo-Synthesizers  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SonicVibe analogue synthesis?

    • @horusmusic738
      @horusmusic738 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bonedo-Synthesizerscan you sidechain the external input?

  • @fjfrancois
    @fjfrancois 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome but no thanks.

  • @Bonedo-Synthesizers
    @Bonedo-Synthesizers  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SUBSCRIBE: th-cam.com/users/bonedo-synthesizers
    Purchase Link* Korg drumlogue (Thomann): www.thomann.de/intl/korg_drumlogue.htm?offid=1&affid=84&subid=yt-syb&subid2=korg-drumlogue

  • @rijksvoorlichtingsdienst4427
    @rijksvoorlichtingsdienst4427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Not impressed to clean and thin sounding

  • @djstriploin
    @djstriploin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Спасибо большое ❤❤❤❤❤❤ это прекрасно

  • @alfonsolizarazo9806
    @alfonsolizarazo9806 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Meh

  • @SonicVibe
    @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I want to love this machine looks good, but why does it sound so meh 🫤

  • @AndroLectric
    @AndroLectric 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I have a suspicion it sounds flat. volca drum & beats sound better...

    • @Bonedo-Synthesizers
      @Bonedo-Synthesizers  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      They really don't.

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bonedo-Synthesizers I definitely agree, lol
      That kick just doesn't convince me. But it is analogue, should be fine with EQ, I think?

    • @circedge
      @circedge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Volca sounds lo-fi but it's expected, even so, the bd has presence and the snare snap. This has no excuse for the bd sounding muddy and the hihats sounding like they set the destination bitrate at 128 or lower.

    • @AndroLectric
      @AndroLectric 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@circedge however...
      If I use V-drum and V-beats together I have more possibilities to shape the sound.
      and it just sounds better.
      Drumlogue seems well thought out, has its own sound. But for over 600 euros I find the possibilities quite limited with BD, SNR in table horn flair, but ANALOG :-)
      Drumlogue with the technology of the V-Drum would have been the better option in my opinion.

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It sounds so thin tin boring to me I want to like it too

  • @EleniEliades_
    @EleniEliades_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Unfortunately it sounds very "tinny". Rather thin in tone.

    • @epicon6
      @epicon6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Haha. Depends on how you tune the sounds and it has 4 analog parts, 6 sample parts plus the multi engine.
      So which part is sounding tinny exactly? The analog parts? No.. the sample parts? No because it depends on the sample.. the multi engine part? No, because it depends on the sound and the tuning.

    • @EleniEliades_
      @EleniEliades_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@epicon6 Yes, the analog sounds, sample sounds, multi engine sounds ALL are a bit thin in tone. Otherwise I would purchase this. It sounds like a larger version of a Drum Volca.💡

    • @foxglove9
      @foxglove9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@EleniEliades_ I've only listened to a few minutes, but that's my initial reaction: Volca Drum XL.

    • @Claidheambmor
      @Claidheambmor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Try it in person. TH-cam makes everything sound shit.

    • @circedge
      @circedge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      If youtube can make an OB-6 sound great, it can do the same for this. It doesn't so the fault lies with the drumlogue.

  • @hans-christianmalecha4188
    @hans-christianmalecha4188 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Lil bit boring for 600bucks

  • @andregodfrey559
    @andregodfrey559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm really tired of the wannabe 808 drum 🙏 can someone make a drum machine that doesn't sound like an 808,try demos where the drum unit that has hard rock sounds

    • @lstlvls2521
      @lstlvls2521 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      DSI Tempest. :D

    • @Aetila
      @Aetila 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would like to see/hear more LinnDrum clones, LinnDrum has the classic fat synthwave kick and a special snare I really like.

    • @andregodfrey559
      @andregodfrey559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Aetila You I would like the same as well,but everyone is stuck on that damn 808,909 drum sound,"Hell" I would really enjoy a DMX drum clone myself that was the drum unit that was out during 80's also the DMX was just as popular as the LmDrum was but a cheaper 😉 around $3,450 I think ,I can't remember but it was the alternative to the LmDrum.

    • @Aetila
      @Aetila 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andregodfrey559
      Thanks for the reply! I feel annoyed that they (Yammy, Korg) don't even have LinnDrums samples in their PCM synths like the Motif ES rack and the Radias rack I have. They have the classical drums sounds you mentioned and they are amazing...but I would need those fat LD drum sounds for synthwave...it's crazy that these racks have everything, except LD samples, grrrrrr!

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mpc can do any type of music

  • @EstudioSonorama
    @EstudioSonorama ปีที่แล้ว

    sounds nice but weak

  • @djangofett4879
    @djangofett4879 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it really does sound like 💩. bad circuit designs. sounds half baked. I would recommend people save up and get a electron rytm. you can get a used Mark 1 for like 600 bucks. the screen is garbage but it's a fantastic machine.
    if you can afford a mark 2 it's the luxury version. mk1 has the same circuitry and 99% of the same features.