Dan Le Batard Reacts to the Doc Rivers and JJ Redick Public Feud | The Dan Le Batard Show
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- The Dan Le Batard Show reacts to the recent public beef between JJ Redick, Doc Rivers, and Austin Rivers entering the mix and why players that have played with Doc have a hard time with him and how Doc Rivers avoids accountability.
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Austin River's comment had nothing to do with accountability. Being fired is the organization saying Doc is responsible, not Doc holding himself accountable for his failures. Also, what does JJ's style of play have anything to do with Doc holding himself accountable.
Very well said.
Amen
Exactly. Being held responsible and personally accepting that responsibility are two different things.
austin was definitely insulting and complimenting at the same time. also when he said ‘we’ had to sit you due to defensive reasons is WILD
@@daveyjohnn🤣🤣
Even if after everything Pat Beverley and Austin Rivers said is true, that still doesn’t negate the fact that JJ Redick is 100% right. So the fact that they have to counter JJ’s argument by bringing up his individual stats under Doc’s coaching is very telling.
crazy that ppl forget that jj played better on philly then clippers
Word. I couldn't pull it up but knew JJ had more on his resume than dukie.
💯
I was thinking the same
He had 3 good seasons with the Magic, 4 very good seasons in LA, 2 very good seasons with Philly and 1 with N.O. In short, who cares?
Offensively
Austin Rivers received his highest salary contract while on the Clippers from his then GM/Coach father that NO other team/GM has ever repeated. He has been a minimum league salary player after that contract.
He’s a nepo baby
@@barry6768 True. Plus, 81 active players in the NBA are the same age or older than Austin but the only job he can get is the one his father got him at ESPN. He isn't better than Patty Mills never mind JJ.
@@martyc1960 exactly
@@barry6768didn’t he average like 15 a game AFTER he left the Clippers? Wasn’t he ACC player of the year at Duke? Dude could hoop, stop it
@@tedhall9257 no he couldn’t stop it. Nobody wanted him. His dad was the only person who hired him. The rest took him out of contract pity and he was basically a bench warmer. You have no evidence. Stop embarrassing yourself
I think everyone has missed the point that Austin was mainly referring to JJ’s individual success vs JJ referring to the TEAM Success!!! JJ talks about team performance failures and Austin is talking about Individual Success. JJ wins based on the more important facts!!!
JJ was hot cause Rivers previously said that their Clippers team won’t win. Clearly blaming the players and not being accountable or just using the players as his excuse for not winning with the Clippers.
Found a clip where JJ and Jamal talked about it.
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“Don’t you talk bad about my daddy!”
- Austin Rivers
...the daddy I have my own issues with...
you misspelled - 'bout
@@surfwriter8461so he not supposed to defend his daddy against other ppl bc they got they own issues? Y’all weird!!!
Espn did bring him on to respond to jj, I'm sure.
@@MadeTaylor Try comprehending what I say instead of reading into it your twisted notions. Your lingo is not an argument.
This started about last year when he threw the Clippers under the bus. There is a interview between Jj and JCrawford after Doc said the Clippers weren't that good when he was the coach and how they were supposed to win.
Thank you! Cant believe nobody mentions it when talking about this, and Jamal who’s one of the if not the most mild mannered nicest guy ever also seemed really annoyed by those comments, along with JJ who’s more of a hothead. So if you piss off Jamal Crawford imo there’s a 99% chance you did something wrong.
Exactly, but tbh....what Doc said seems to be true. Doc said he knew the Clipper team wouldn't win because of the chemistry issues and the passover aggressiveness between the players. Doc shouldn't have said that publicly, but the way JJ & Jamal switched after that statement....shows the passive aggressiveness Doc talked about(plus the several interviews where all of the Clipper players would beat around the bush to why they never got pver the hump...plus some valid excuses...but excuses none the less). JJ is right about Doc and the excuses, but dang....he never said any of these feelings about Doc until that statement came out in an interview last year. Seems like all is true...Doc is a good coach who is bad at adjustments, & one who avoids accountability, those Clipper teams clearly lacked leadership from the players and coaches, & JJ def switched his tune on Doc after hearing what Doc said. So in a nutshell....we see that the Clipper teams were dysfunctional and never had a chance to win a chip in retrospect (and that's on the coach & players). Everyone is pulling the Spider-Man meme from those Clipper teams lol
@@robertfoster6940 But if you listen to Jamal's comments, Jamal's main point was, "Ok, if you knew we had locker room issues, whose job was it to go fix those issues? If it's not the coach's job, whose freaking job is it?" If you can only win when everyone's on their best behavior, you aren't gonna win much...which is why Doc doesn't win much.
@imightbebiased9311 it is the coaches job to keep the locker room in order to some degree. But within any great team and/organization....relying on the coach/manager/director to be the only one to keep order shows that there is no one stepping up on the frontline to help create and keep that order. We are talking about grown men here (not teenagers or even folks in college). Everyone from those Clippers team are passing around accountability like a hot potato.
@@imightbebiased9311when were the players willing to even be honest with each other? Everyone knew Chris Paul and Blake weren’t on the same page for years. They easily had enough talent to win a championship, but lacked the chemistry, and mental fortitude to pull together when the pressure was the highest.
So for them to say coach should have fixed us, when they weren’t even willing to acknowledge the reality in the room, and then absolve themselves of responsibility now after the fact, shows you what the team was made of.
You think MJ, Shaq and Kobe, Steph, etc needed a coach to get them to address the clear issues on the team? Hellll no
JJ Redick best year in the NBA was with Philadelphia 76ers he left Los Angeles Clippers.
Being held responsible means that you are being held answerable or accountable for your actions, decisions, or tasks. It implies that you are being held liable for the consequences or outcomes of your actions. When you are held responsible, there may be consequences or penalties for not fulfilling your obligations or for causing harm or damage.
Taking accountability, on the other hand, goes beyond simply accepting responsibility for your actions. It involves acknowledging your role in a situation, being willing to accept the consequences of your actions, and taking ownership of the situation. Taking accountability means recognizing that you have a duty to act ethically and in the best interests of others, and being willing to be transparent, learn from your mistakes, and make amends if necessary.
Elite fence sitting from Amin
For real lol
Amin, looking like a clown in this episode.
What's interesting about the analysis of JJ's rant is that the clip excludes his acknowledgement that he loved playing for Doc. As a fan of the NBA, i have often been indifferent to Doc's comments and lack of accountability for his obvious failures. Without three first ballot hof'ers, he's proven an ability to get you to the dance floor, but when it's time to dance he has two left feet.
Watching the reaction to this has been fascinating.
No claps for Austin Rivers. LOOK at Doc's quotes. They bring to mind Tony Soprano's old favortie objibwe saying "Sometimes I go about in pity for myself, and all the while a great wind carries me across the sky." Doc's quotes are beyond unmanly. Austin's point about responsibility would only make sense if Doc was the person who fired himself from all those jobs.
Austin Rivers didn’t make any points. That was a messy response.
An Austin Rivers performance with 0 points? I'm shocked.
No he made a valid response you guys are just butthurt he did 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
dans one of the last few who never fails to prove that’s he’s a true journalist not just a sports guy
Riiiiight. Especially when he’s carrying water for the Heat.
. HE NEVER "HOLDS "HIMSELF ACCOUNTABLE IS WHAT JJ IS SAYING.
Rivers had excuses in Orlando, in Boston, in Philly, and in Milwaukee. Every time the excuse is someone else. Grant Hill, KGs injury, Simmons then Harden, and now ownership for when they hired him.
You forgot about the Clippers mess. They blamed CP3's injuries, Kawhi's injuries, and the bubble.
I don’t blame him for Simmons lmao Ben was a joke
@@justified004 that part but I never personally heard his excuses for the clippers but all the rest I heard doc himself say.
@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76 that's when a coach would take him out of the game... not doc needed an excuse.
@JAYSMITH-eh7ep yeah, he was full of excuses with Lob City. Then, he blamed his players not wanting to play in the bubble or being mentally tough
Doc being a consultant for the Bucks, then consulting the team to fire Griffin and give him the job, then complaining it’s so hard to take over as HC during a stretch of hard games when he chose to take over at that time, is absolutely ridiculous 😂
He was never a consultant for the bucks. Fake news.
@@projman2155 tell that to shams face you coward
@@projman2155yes he was lol
@@HomerunsamSOSA fake news. It’s been confirmed in their pressers.
Being accountable and being ‘held’ accountable by getting fired are different
Amin dancing around the ACTUAL subject at hand here like Pat & Austin did(who by the way JJ had better careers than both of them). Why are they going at JJ? I mean its an actual fact that Doc makes excuse after excuse & consistently throws people under the bus...its like they aren't smart enough to have the actual conversation so they're just throwing shade at JJ.
How are we not mentioning how Doc thru the Clippers under the bus, while not taking any accountability of blowing two 3-1 leads while with that organization. Thats wild
First off I would not want Patrick Beverly or nepo rivers defending me also I feel like doc is the McCarthy of the nba really never earned a ring but has one and secondly I take JJ side always until I don’t
I love how Austin Rivers says he isn't going to make excuses for his dad and then proceed to make every excuse under the sun for his dad.
Then gonna say he can’t put the ball on the floor like klay, is crazy cuz klay can’t dribble 😂
“ i don’t feel the need to defend my father” proceed to defend his father and trash jj reddick
Objectively speaking, constantly churning out excuses is very poor leadership.
Love how Autin's response to JJ's charge that Doc always makes excuses was to make a bunch of excuses. "If my dad is always making excuses then why does he keep getting fired even tho hes the best and nothing is his fault?" Great point, Austin. Yes, losing a playoff series because half the team wasnt motivated surely isnt the coaches fault.
Damn amin nailed it- with bill sinmojs answering basic questions -“and you know thats a really great question”
Austin waved away the fact that the clippers didnt want to be in the bubble. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt it the coach's job to motivate his players into giving it their all? Then goes to say that Doc was accountable by getting fired? Taking accountability yourself and other people holding you accountable are two different things, and Austin didnt help Doc's case by speaking for him. Observable facts shows that Doc can be out-coached in playoff series, is stubborn to change, needs players to manage and motivate themselves and their peers to play hard every night, and we have video evidence of Doc actively deflecting blame from his poor coaching to players performance or lack there of.
Isn’t Amin El-Hassan the first one who ever came after Doc, pre-Celtics stint that said that Doc is a terrible coach?
Being fired has nothing to do with accountability. 😂
Right lol
Personal Accountability and Responsibility as a coach to your employers is not the same thing.
Doc takes zero accountability but his employer holds him responsible while paying millions for results.
Awww that’s so sweet he’s sticking up for daddy
😂
The fact that JJ had his best years with the Clippers is irrelevant to the conversation and just a distraction by Austin. Reddick was talking about Doc publicly making excuses and blaming others.
Truth is, Doc has gone to the media and makes excuses for decades. He was doing it this year when he eviscerated Harden repeatedly on Bill Simmons pod saying he was selfish after not making the all star break and went into business for himself and that's why they lost. And it wasn't just a an offhand comment, he repeated it multiple times over multiple weeks.
The media likes Doc so they just let him throw others under the bus and don't push back.
With all due respect, how did Amin ever work in a front office lol?
He doesn't hold himself accountable. You had other former teammates come out and say this like Rasheed Wallace calling him Glenn shivers he blew 3 3-1 leads blew at least 3 3-2 leads and we all just waiting for the next lead blown to happen and what is gonna be the next excuse and he had super stacked teams to win with
If JJ is making a statement this strong I’m pretty sure he’s spoke about this before to other people, now after Doc put his players under the bus it brings up old tension that he felt from the Clipper years
thibs is the reason for boston def
Good impression of Doc by Amin!
John Harbaugh for the Baltimore Ravens is worse and is always protected by the media and no one blames him.
The way people have been coming JJ Reddick makes me think that people arent fond of him behind the seasons. 12:15 Dan's 1000% correct on this. and neither Pat Bev or Austin Rivers have the resume to come at JJ's resume and playing career.
Months ago, JJ mentioned his frustration with Doc saying that a team that JJ was on wasn’t supposed to win. JJ and other team members were perplexed/irritated by him saying that.
His best years were in Philly he avg 18 and 17 just look at the Dan numbers 😂
JJ was honest tho. Austin rivers just said “hey you had some good years”. But this media run doc is on is crazy. JJ also isn’t the only player to say any of this. Remember his “not my fault I’m the only coach to blow multiple 3-1 leads” rant?
Doc Rivers is a clown, JJ is correct. He's been given soooooooo many opportunities when he hasn't deserved them. No one has failed with more quality teams then that clown. Bucks won't get by the 2nd round of playoffs
the moment I heard about Doc hired by bucks I excluded them completely from contenders. IMO they hardly were contenders even before Doc (I think Lillard is vastly overrated), but especially they aren't contenders with Doc
Dan wipe your knees when it comes to JJ I would hate if one of your panel started screaming and getting emotional like that
Considering Doc gets fired for every job he’s had, I’m not sure you can say he doesn’t get held accountable.
how many people do you need for a radio show? 😆
When ppl start sticking up for Doc by personally going at the person giving the criticism you know the criticism is legit.
I've always had a positive feeling about Doc Rivers, but in more recent years I've started to question his coaching ability and his way of failing when given an opportunity with a very good team, as is happening so far with the Bucks. It's not clear what he does or doesn't do to affect a team, but the Bucks had a very good record prior to firing the coach and hiring a new one, with weak defense being the issue most people cite--this after they trade away their best backcourt defender in Jrue Holiday.
Austin defending daddy is great 😂
And to Stephen A's credit, he basically said the same about Doc without being disrespectful. Wow, your Austin's colleague. You throw that much venom at his father? No class. When Stephen A is the classiest, you have hit rock bottom. Show some professionalism. Bill Bellichick just got fired. Kraft didn't throw barbs at him. No class.
Amin sounds like a politician. He said a whole lot without saying anything.
Responsibility and Accountability are two different things Austin. I understand you were good at Ball so school wasn't your thing. But Accountability is not making excuses to blame others when things go wrong and accepting your role in the failure. Responsibility in your dads case is others firing you because you keep failing and then using excuses to avoid Accountability.
Amin was right when he brought up George Karl. Some coaches just get the benefit of the doubt. It was always assumed that Melo was a “problem” player, so a coach like Karl always had the right of excuse and deflecting accountability . Whereas with Doc, ppl act like his lack of accountability is isolated and that he should be held more accountable. I find that funny. 😂
• nobody disputed JJ's point
• Everyone who replied used ad hominems
• ESPN is now a soap opera
• Austin did exactly what JJ said Doc does. That was give excuses of why he lost and not one reason put the blame on Doc
• Being held responsible isn't the same as holding yourself accountable.
Sixers v Celtics
James Harden + MVP Joel Embiid.
Both of those players combined for how many points in that Game 7?
… But I guess that Doc’s fault though…
Yes and the coach
Doc taking accountability is like Amin taking a side in a debate. 😊
Theres a difference between Management holding him accountable by firing him, and him holding himself accountable instead of pointing the finger at his players.
How can he be coaching for 25 years and not be a good coach
He’s coached like 20 hall of famers and has 1 championship…
Austin talks about how Doc has responsibility and then makes a bunch of excuses avoiding accountability. Someone may want to kindly explain, that he is making JJ's point for him. Every manager will tell you responsibility and accountability are not the same. RACI (Responsible, Accountable, Consulted, Informed) anyone? (Edit: After watching the video longer. It is not about is there a side to take. The question is, "is there validity to JJ's point?" The answer is unequivocally yes. Austin's comments illustrate the point @mostatic174 makes.)
Of course Austin fails to mention the epic 3-1 choke vs Atlanta.
JJ clearly won the argument because absolutely no one disputed his point. They talked about everything but the point he made because they all know it's true.
Outside of the primetime reference, point well taken on coaches accepting responsibility. I’d argue prime had already overachieved for the year and therefore is not in a position of “needed” to defer blame.
It’s his first season and the paint on the walls in his office isn’t even dry as yet.
The media vis-à-vis ESPN has told us for years how tremendous of a coach he is but we are slowly (or maybe not so slowly anymore) here pushback from current and former players.
Gilbert arenas was among the very first and he *did not* hold back. He also had a bunch of numbers to give context to his opinion - it was really bad 😅
Phil Jackson coached MJ, Shaq, Kobe, Pippen, Rodman. MJ, Shaq didn't score 15 points in last game as Season MVP during elimination game. Coaches deserve some of the blame (of course) but when your MVP or HOF level players don't show up in elimination /series/games that needs to be taken into account as well.
Self accountability is completely different than being held accountable by your bosses. Yes the league holds him accountable but doc himself doesn’t hold him self accountable and makes excuses
Austin added nothing. Just deflected for his dad n made excuses like him. Lol JJ point still stands. Doc had excuses in his intro presser. lol lied about maxey volunteering to come off the bench last year etc…
This show is the only place I hear jj mentioned.. Dan crushes hard.
I think people need to understand the wordplay between being held responsible and being accountable for yourself. Doc is being held responsible by his boss but be doesn’t take accountability and thinks it’s not his fault for his failure.
Doc put some of the blame of his failures on his players ESPECIALLY in LA because a lot of the time it was the players fault. J.J. Redick specifically lets talk about how when the Clippers were up 3-1 against the Rockets in 2015 Redick started shooting 29% from the field and 27% from 3 while getting cooked by everyone on the Rockets not named James Harden.
Team Redick.
Been questioning how Doc keeps getting hired for years.
I heard JJ, talk about NBA players in the 80s, & what he said wasn't far enough ☝🏾he could have told the real,& said a lot of them was on drugs, the diplomatic
Reddick can still be objective and critical of Doc despite playing for him. A concept Austin fails to grasp..
I mean he did throw Ben under the bus… he didn’t make adjustments that atl series
He didn’t make adjustments last season for game 6 and 7 and then blamed the inexperience even tho he allowed the team to shoot multiple 3s and not feed Embiid or slow down the pace of the game.
JJ played his best statistically under Brett Brown surprisingly
Anytime you make an argument and your opponent doesn’t attack the main point and performs Ad hominem attacks. You won the debate
Austin Rivers statement: he always takes the accountability… but here’s a bunch of excuses.
Accountability? He is there 2 weeks. He is calling out the terrible situation and everyone knows Doc is accurate. So he is saying to Milwaukee you guys got it together here. Doing it in the press. It’s a strategy. Let’s see if it works.
The best Doc rivers moment is when he asked the media to Google the Orlando Magic roster that made it to the playoffs that one year. Lol! Who knows if he's a good coach, he's just reacting to all the memes because on social media he's the coach that always gives up a 3-1 lead in the playoffs.
Doc and Phil Jackson aren’t much different when it comes to public accountability. Phil just has two hands full of rings as cover
I’m team JJ. Austin spoke with so much entitlement. It was annoying. We had to sit him as if he wasn’t sitting on the bench most of the time right beside him.
The difference between doc & other coaches “not taking accountability”. Is he constantly gets new chances and throws his team under the bus
I would rather be held accountable the whole time than be held responsible in the end.
Peep how he tried to deflect by including Phil Jackson what does he have to do with the is argument about including Doc Rivers
This whole thing is stupid. Doc does hold himself accountable. There are interviews which doc admits he does have his part to blame. It’s just Doc talks a lot making it look like he’s making excuses.
JJ can easily respond "Doc saved my career and/or made me a better player, but what does that have to do with Doc not being accountable"
ask Philly Press if they think Doc was accountable
You’re inflating the issue being held accountable is not the same as accepting accountability
Austin didn’t make. Held accountable and held responsible are 1000 miles apart
Glen rivers relies on his inherited stars to make plays & caters to media, but is not a good strategist like nurse or budz, and isn't close to spoelstra, who is way better than glen.
I noticed Doc Rivers doin this when he blamed Ben Simmons for losing the entire series, over not taking that shot with 3 minutes left (had 2 possesions AFTER that but ok). That was weak af as the coach to blindside your player, especially afer an emotional playoff loss. If Ben Simmons could't shoot, just have him work on shooting all day at practice..ITS YOUR TEAM..YOUR THE COACH. Glad JJ Exposed you idc.
Hey... Whats going on with Doc Rivers and his son Austin? They alluded to the fact that they have issues but didnt elaborate on it. Can someone fill me in?
It's true 😮 what he said about Doc, auston should talk about the big contract his father gave him 🦾
Is the Nepo Baby comment an inside joke? They didn’t seem too happy about that LMFAOO
The guy they said that too is the son of Greg Code, columnist for the Miami Herald and frequent guest on the show for a decade.
@@andrewshandle fasho was wondering lol
How could anyone be expected to perform when get dropped in the fire in the middle of the season, cut the guy a break, you try taking over a team when the chemistry has to be started from day one but its day 37 and see how you do. 🤔🤔🤔
Kobe purposely hurry Kendrick 😆 I remember that.
as a Sixers fan im 100% behind Redick, Doc was making excuses for years.
They should all be mad at the Bucks for firing their coach in the first place.
Doc has been given some Ferrari’s to drive and He kept letting them run out of gas those Boston teams should have gotten at least one more! Those clipper teams were talented enough for minimum making the finals! But always fell short with a boat load of talent!?
Those clippers teams at the absolute minimum should have made the finals twice let alone zero
You gotta help this dude. He kills the conversation Mr man sitting on his own trying to break it all
Down with big words he doesn’t understand. Com on brother just answer a question stop
Trying to sound smart
Three words why I agree with JJ: Vinny Del Negro. Vinny took over a trash Clippers team and in 3 years took them from 32 wins, to 40 wins, to 56 wins and got FIRED and replaced by Doc. Doc never improved that team and actually regressed in the playoffs, yet Doc is now on his second team since leaving the Clippers. Vinny hasn't coached another team since. Why does Doc keep getting job after job after job, while winners like VDN and Mark Jackson have never gotten another chance.
Doc also shit down Paul Reed after a good performance n said we’re not having a world tour for him. Didn’t prep him for the playoffs and lied about playing reed vs small lineups then Reed was needed big time in the playoffs we wasn’t prepared. Doc was called out then gets mad at the media.
Redick comments were outrageous and exaggerated at a time like earlier generations players played against non athletes like today (guy like firemen or plumbers). It rubbed people in the wrong way. Today’s coaches, there are only a handful reach the finals, let alone winning one. Things have falling into pieces at your way as well to get the championship. Players are choking in playoffs too.
Let take JJ & Austin out of this the focus should be Doc and why teams he coached blew four 3-1 leads in the playoffs and underachieved under his watch.
The craziest thing is AUSTIN Rivers, a dude who maybe avg 15 minutes a night…trying to talk about somebody’s playing career. If I had people essentially calling me a basketball nepobaby my whole career, the last thing I’m talking about is how good/bad somebody is. Lmao