Hi fella, another cracking video. I would take the GPS as the reading as they are generally calculated from 4 points of monitoring, ie there are 4 x satellites pulling the info and wizzing it back to your phone or satnav. I had a chat with Adam from Tasso works in Edinburgh and he recons 60-62 mph tops as its dependant on the gearing which will restrict the top end. Ive had a quote to change my gearing and exhaust, up the head and piston to a 180 with re mapping of the ECU and its about £795 plus labour which will give you about 75mph. Just gives you that extra on the main A roads and dual carriage ways and its £4K cheaper than a 300cc Alloy. As long as your enjoying yourself and keeping safe it doesnt matter really. Keep the vids coming and stay safe bud.
Nice one Andrew, yeah I think you're right, I think the app can use up to 13 satellites at once, maybe more. I never realised that cars were calibrated Optimistic, but it seems so. Great tips on the Tasso kit. Thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
Yours is definitely faster than mine.. I max out at 57 (on speedo) so an actual 52 ish I guess? (21 reg/2000 miles /no flyscreen/ 13 stone) like you it's my first scooter so I've no experience of riding any other 125, but the lack of speed when I'm riding in our group (mainly vespas 125 - 300) where I feel I'm punishing the engine at full throttle to keep up has prompted me to go for my proper bike test. ❤️ The videos pal, always look forward to your content... Keep 'em coming! 👍
Well I could be wrong but Im guessing you’re a stone or two heavier and on these little engines that counts for a lot also it could be down to the brand of fuel for a small percent your air intake filters clean etc, was it properly run in, is it still being run in at 2k, I dont know much about four strokes. Can you adjust mixtures like on a two stroke? i dont mean high level tuning just tweaking? Maybe you got one built on a friday? 🤷🏻♂️
Nice one, just a point - Most cars show about 10% faster than reality. Citoen show 34 when actually 30 - it helps not getting speeding fines. So yes as Andrew said, GPS is more likely to be right. Cheers
Hi, as been said the GPS will be accurate and your and all car Speedo’s will over read which they’re allowed to do by law I think by up to 10% but they’re not allowed to under read . Great videos ….appreciated
Thank you Martin, yes I wasn't aware that cars were calibrated optimistic too, but it seems so.Thanks for the positive feedback and thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
@@RoyalAlloyRider You can compare to street reading on displays in places city assembled speed meters They show with 1 km/h accuracy and do not over estimate . If it is good for 20 miles it could be ok.
Brilliant video as ever pal .. I’m new to scootering and absolutely love it but I can’t understand the obsession with some people on speed with a scooter ! Surely doing 50-55mph is more than adequate on 10 inch wheels, scooterIng is amazing fun but if it’s all about speed for some people, then maybe they should be riding the big cc bikes and not scooters. Keep up the great videos pal 👌 scootering for life 🇬🇧
At the end of the day how fast do you want to go? It's a scooter not a Honda fireblade. Don't forget it has tiny tyres with not a lot of rubber contact between you and the road and they are not built to handle like a motorbike. Just my opinion but 55 is as fast as I want to be doing on one of these
Gps uses time speed distance from at least 2 atomic clocks (3 for location) and the Universal Transverse Mercator... So its about the most accurate thing you have to measure speed. Your car is designed to be out so you don't speed. All information is open source.
Thanks for the info mate. I know this now, everyday is a school day ! (Who doesn't know about the Universal Transverse Mercator !!???) Ha ha, thanks for watching !
The air cooled RA’s will realistically get 54-60mph depending on weight of the rider. The WC engine should see 60+ depending again on weight. The AC unit is a basic GY6 design, 8-9bhp is your lot. Very tuneable though, first thing I’d do is a cam and big valve head. Combined with increased fuelling 11-13bhp is realistic. I’m not a fan of remapping, much prefer a carb conversion…
@@chrislawton5486 Realistically they are still pretty poor compared to the big Japanese 4 but none of them have styling that comes close to the RA. It’s a sacrifice mate 👍 Ps the 125 ac is going to feel very slow compared to the 200… test ride one first… The 125 ac is peppy to 40mph, above this it’s a struggle. The 200 was a proper engine, LC, 4v head, originally designed by a major manufacturer with a ton of R&D. The 125 ac, a copy of a copy of a copy of a 1980’s design.
Hi. As always love your vids. You mentioned about the speedo reading jumping all over the place and you might know a fix or why it happens. Any update on this?. Its after happening to mine. I'm using a Speedometer app on my phone at the moment attached to a holder on the headset but I'd much prefer using a speedo that should actually work the way its meant to. Thanks.
Hi Garry, thanks for the feedback. My speedo has been very erratic, some days it works fine, some days it doesn't. Apparently it can be the crap that gets into the sensor on the front wheel that affects it. I'll be tackling it in the next few days to see if I can rectify it, look out for a video coming soon. 😁 thanks for watching 🛵👍🏻😁
Absolutely correct, I've done so many of these engines, very experienced at modify them, mainly you will increase acceleration, cars are not accurate either 👍
Aye up pal I’ve always known that Gps is more accurate than cars mate in my car if doing 30 mph drove past a speed scanner and it says 28mph which was the same as my gps app fella
Hello matey. What is the maximum rpm on your GT. My TG goes upto 7500 rpm. This is showing 53mph on my speedo, which we know is not correct. I'm trying to find out if the rpm is restricted, or if there is a way to increase the maximum rpm limit. If I can increase this to at least 8000, I might be able to get 55 to 60 mph. Do any of the other scooter lad's have any tips.
Hi let me start by saying I know your not a mechanic but I am looking for info on the location of the idle adjuster on a royal alloy gp200 can’t find info anywhere- can you help me or perhaps one of your subs could I am at a loss thank you mate love your content btw
We need to keep in mind that GPS calculates speed assuming that from one point to second we movef exacltly stright. How much distance is between readings? With turning or making small moves it may be not true. This way reading may be not the same as for scooter wheel and of course lower. Theory says so.
By law now all vehicle manufacturers have to over estimate the speed by a few % but Royal Alloy do a 10% over estimate which does seem a bit much, its the same on my new GP300 so lve started using an GPS speed app , its far more reliable
Remember that digital display looks convinent but it uses mode conversions than mechnical and it's accuracy for sure is set by electronic adjustment in laboratory. Reading more digits may not equal to better accuracy.
Hello matey. My TG 125cc ac is showing an average cruise of 53mph on the speedo. It's only done 350 miles from new. I'm hoping it will open up a bit more after it's 600 mile first service. I'm thinking about fitting a fly screen to keep the wind off me. I don't know if this will make a difference.
GPs are slightly more bhp, especially the liquid cooled model so better acceleration. Check the official RA specs for the figures . Thanks for watching 👍🏻
good video, untill you put up your graph that is completely wrong, gps is correct your car is not.. its for this reason the police always allow a few percent as your reading say 35 when only realy doing 31 in your car..... if this is top speed down a slight hill then these are not that good..... now performance does count a lot when going on a long drive. you dont want to be going along at 50 55 and the motor is struggling and wearing out.... if you got a 65 to 70mph bike your cruising at 50/55 .... so the top speed on this is a bit poor. do we know what the rpm is at this speed ? and if the engine is governed by anything like the intake ? crap air filter ? jet too small etc.. rpm would be a good thing to know with all these scooters..
Your gps is more accurate than your scooter and your car speedo. Your/our car speedos are 6-10 out. Always showing more than you are doing. Never less.
Not really as that is the normal speed of most 125 scooters with that hp same as the Lambretta GP 125 back in the 60s used to advertise top speed of 60mph+ but when speed tested with accurate device they only managed 52mph. its just normal realy for scooters with small wheels unlike bikes and larger modern scooter that have the full 14+ hp and can manage 70mph
gps is far more accurate than you car.. there is not a car made that is accurate at 60mph. 99% of cars will read 65 mph at 60mph.... so go by gps....only time gps is out of wack is over water where it often reads a bit high....
Do y=ou notice that shown speed is in miles? I had beautifull lambretta 150li and rated power with two stroke was 7 HP. RA has 8,7 HP with four stroke .
Is this a modern fuel-injected one? My carb-model (Scomadi TL) currently has 70.6 on the top-speed indicator. I need a bigger carb, and some porting to do when I have the money to throw at it.
Your car will be over estimating by a few % as well so the GPS will more likely be right
Hi fella, another cracking video. I would take the GPS as the reading as they are generally calculated from 4 points of monitoring, ie there are 4 x satellites pulling the info and wizzing it back to your phone or satnav. I had a chat with Adam from Tasso works in Edinburgh and he recons 60-62 mph tops as its dependant on the gearing which will restrict the top end. Ive had a quote to change my gearing and exhaust, up the head and piston to a 180 with re mapping of the ECU and its about £795 plus labour which will give you about 75mph. Just gives you that extra on the main A roads and dual carriage ways and its £4K cheaper than a 300cc Alloy. As long as your enjoying yourself and keeping safe it doesnt matter really. Keep the vids coming and stay safe bud.
Nice one Andrew, yeah I think you're right, I think the app can use up to 13 satellites at once, maybe more. I never realised that cars were calibrated Optimistic, but it seems so. Great tips on the Tasso kit. Thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
Don't know anyone who's had 180 kit hitting 70- 75 ..it only improves excelleration and mid range
Yours is definitely faster than mine.. I max out at 57 (on speedo) so an actual 52 ish I guess? (21 reg/2000 miles /no flyscreen/ 13 stone) like you it's my first scooter so I've no experience of riding any other 125, but the lack of speed when I'm riding in our group (mainly vespas 125 - 300) where I feel I'm punishing the engine at full throttle to keep up has prompted me to go for my proper bike test. ❤️ The videos pal, always look forward to your content... Keep 'em coming! 👍
Nice one Mike, thanks for the positive feedback and thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
Well I could be wrong but Im guessing you’re a stone or two heavier and on these little engines that counts for a lot also it could be down to the brand of fuel for a small percent your air intake filters clean etc, was it properly run in, is it still being run in at 2k, I dont know much about four strokes. Can you adjust mixtures like on a two stroke? i dont mean high level tuning just tweaking? Maybe you got one built on a friday? 🤷🏻♂️
Nice one, just a point - Most cars show about 10% faster than reality. Citoen show 34 when actually 30 - it helps not getting speeding fines. So yes as Andrew said, GPS is more likely to be right. Cheers
Nice one, I never knew this previously, but do now 😁 thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏼 🛵
Yes mate, I agree, all speedos are not accurate, including cars, the GPS is the closest true speed we will find.
Hi, as been said the GPS will be accurate and your and all car Speedo’s will over read which they’re allowed to do by law I think by up to 10% but they’re not allowed to under read . Great videos ….appreciated
Thank you Martin, yes I wasn't aware that cars were calibrated optimistic too, but it seems so.Thanks for the positive feedback and thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
@@RoyalAlloyRider You can compare to street reading on displays in places city assembled speed meters They show with 1 km/h accuracy and do not over estimate . If it is good for 20 miles it could be ok.
Brilliant video as ever pal .. I’m new to scootering and absolutely love it but I can’t understand the obsession with some people on speed with a scooter ! Surely doing 50-55mph is more than adequate on 10 inch wheels, scooterIng is amazing fun but if it’s all about speed for some people, then maybe they should be riding the big cc bikes and not scooters. Keep up the great videos pal 👌 scootering for life 🇬🇧
Thank you Chris, glad you are enjoying the videos. 60mph is quite fast enough for me thank you 🤣🤣 Thanks for watching. 🛵👍
At the end of the day how fast do you want to go? It's a scooter not a Honda fireblade. Don't forget it has tiny tyres with not a lot of rubber contact between you and the road and they are not built to handle like a motorbike. Just my opinion but 55 is as fast as I want to be doing on one of these
I agree 100% Neill. I'm quite happy with my 59mph 😁 this video was for research purposes only 🤣 thanks for watching 😁👍🏻🛵
Agree horses for coarses
Interesting video Mucker keep em coming 👍
As always very informative, will check out some apps
Mine goes 75mph (gps) , but is modified. Complete 180 tasso kit
Im over 17 stone
Hi, looking at the 125 now and comparing with the 300. The 300 is too expensive here in Australia.
300 is not cheap here either! That's why I opted for a pre loved machine , didn't fancy the cost of a new one ! 🤣 Good luck and keep us posted 🛵👍🏻😁
That’s almost 100kmh on a 125 scooter that’s great 👏🏼 What’s the quality like compared to say a Vesper?
Gps uses time speed distance from at least 2 atomic clocks (3 for location) and the Universal Transverse Mercator... So its about the most accurate thing you have to measure speed.
Your car is designed to be out so you don't speed. All information is open source.
Thanks for the info mate. I know this now, everyday is a school day ! (Who doesn't know about the Universal Transverse Mercator !!???) Ha ha, thanks for watching !
The air cooled RA’s will realistically get 54-60mph depending on weight of the rider. The WC engine should see 60+ depending again on weight. The AC unit is a basic GY6 design, 8-9bhp is your lot. Very tuneable though, first thing I’d do is a cam and big valve head. Combined with increased fuelling 11-13bhp is realistic. I’m not a fan of remapping, much prefer a carb conversion…
Im looking at buying a TG125 ac.. what are your thoughts..? has the build quality improved.. I had a 200 which was poor
@@chrislawton5486 Realistically they are still pretty poor compared to the big Japanese 4 but none of them have styling that comes close to the RA. It’s a sacrifice mate 👍 Ps the 125 ac is going to feel very slow compared to the 200… test ride one first… The 125 ac is peppy to 40mph, above this it’s a struggle. The 200 was a proper engine, LC, 4v head, originally designed by a major manufacturer with a ton of R&D. The 125 ac, a copy of a copy of a copy of a 1980’s design.
Still running in my 23 GP125. I’m only doing 30 tops everywhere at the mo.
Can I just ask which phone-holder you use?
It's the Lamicall Bike Phone Holder, currently £14.99 on Amazon. Thanks for watching !
Hi. As always love your vids. You mentioned about the speedo reading jumping all over the place and you might know a fix or why it happens. Any update on this?. Its after happening to mine. I'm using a Speedometer app on my phone at the moment attached to a holder on the headset but I'd much prefer using a speedo that should actually work the way its meant to. Thanks.
Hi Garry, thanks for the feedback. My speedo has been very erratic, some days it works fine, some days it doesn't. Apparently it can be the crap that gets into the sensor on the front wheel that affects it. I'll be tackling it in the next few days to see if I can rectify it, look out for a video coming soon. 😁 thanks for watching 🛵👍🏻😁
The GPS is more accurate, plus he's going downhill, they probably do about 57 tops, even kitted up you get about 62 max.
Absolutely correct, I've done so many of these engines, very experienced at modify them, mainly you will increase acceleration, cars are not accurate either 👍
People want more speed from a 125 because they cant get a 200 because they havent passed there test
Fair comment there John, yes they would need to do A2 or full licence.Thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
Aye up pal I’ve always known that Gps is more accurate than cars mate in my car if doing 30 mph drove past a speed scanner and it says 28mph which was the same as my gps app fella
Nice one Tony. See you soon pal 👍🏻🛵
Hello matey. What is the maximum rpm on your GT. My TG goes upto 7500 rpm. This is showing 53mph on my speedo, which we know is not correct. I'm trying to find out if the rpm is restricted, or if there is a way to increase the maximum rpm limit. If I can increase this to at least 8000, I might be able to get 55 to 60 mph. Do any of the other scooter lad's have any tips.
Hi let me start by saying I know your not a mechanic but I am looking for info on the location of the idle adjuster on a royal alloy gp200 can’t find info anywhere- can you help me or perhaps one of your subs could I am at a loss thank you mate love your content btw
Thanks for the feedback Jason. I have no idea how to adjust that but maybe someone reading this will be able to help ? Thanks for watching👍🏻🛵
We need to keep in mind that GPS calculates speed assuming that from one point to second we movef exacltly stright. How much distance is between readings? With turning or making small moves it may be not true. This way reading may be not the same as for scooter wheel and of course lower. Theory says so.
Gps should be accurate
. Still. 59 is pretty good !
Yeah i'm happy with that ! Fast enough !Thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
By law now all vehicle manufacturers have to over estimate the speed by a few % but Royal Alloy do a 10% over estimate which does seem a bit much, its the same on my new GP300 so lve started using an GPS speed app , its far more reliable
Remember that digital display looks convinent but it uses mode conversions than mechnical and it's accuracy for sure is set by electronic adjustment in laboratory. Reading more digits may not equal to better accuracy.
Hello matey. My TG 125cc ac is showing an average cruise of 53mph on the speedo. It's only done 350 miles from new. I'm hoping it will open up a bit more after it's 600 mile first service. I'm thinking about fitting a fly screen to keep the wind off me. I don't know if this will make a difference.
small fly screen will help for speed.. it is better for wind to hita sloping screen than your chest like a brick wall..
You should have popped yer head down for the giggles
lol
do you think the GP will be slower with the metal body
GPs are slightly more bhp, especially the liquid cooled model so better acceleration. Check the official RA specs for the figures . Thanks for watching 👍🏻
really peeved with mine for some reason dropped to 43mph going down hill ..
good video, untill you put up your graph that is completely wrong, gps is correct your car is not.. its for this reason the police always allow a few percent as your reading say 35 when only realy doing 31 in your car..... if this is top speed down a slight hill then these are not that good..... now performance does count a lot when going on a long drive. you dont want to be going along at 50 55 and the motor is struggling and wearing out.... if you got a 65 to 70mph bike your cruising at 50/55 .... so the top speed on this is a bit poor. do we know what the rpm is at this speed ? and if the engine is governed by anything like the intake ? crap air filter ? jet too small etc.. rpm would be a good thing to know with all these scooters..
You are correct, ( as already established in the orevious comments). Thank you for your input and thanks for watching. 👍🏻🛵
Going up hill on mine its no power going down to about 20 on a hill
Your gps is more accurate than your scooter and your car speedo. Your/our car speedos are 6-10 out. Always showing more than you are doing. Never less.
Yes I believe so. Learnt something new ! Thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
Hardly hear a word pal , 😁👍
Probably hit bit more without fly screen m8
Maybe, love my flyscreen though 😆 thanks for watching 👍🏼 🛵
Car speedos are also not accurate, trust gps more
The GPS is accurate.
Yes I believe so, now. Thanks for watching 👍🏻 😁
True when we do not make any turns nor maneuvring between following calculatiions
The Chinese made stuff is not safe at these speeds 😮
Shouldn't the title read How Slow.
Not really as that is the normal speed of most 125 scooters with that hp same as the Lambretta GP 125 back in the 60s used to advertise top speed of 60mph+ but when speed tested with accurate device they only managed 52mph.
its just normal realy for scooters with small wheels unlike bikes and larger modern scooter that have the full 14+ hp and can manage 70mph
Lol thanks for watching Andy 👍🏻🤣🛵
@@RoyalAlloyRider Glad you got the tongue in cheek humour. Was worried I'd get another intricate lecture 💤
gps is far more accurate than you car.. there is not a car made that is accurate at 60mph. 99% of cars will read 65 mph at 60mph.... so go by gps....only time gps is out of wack is over water where it often reads a bit high....
That’s possibly the slowest 125 scooter I’ve seen,
🤣🤣 Trust me, there's many slower ! Thanks for watching 👍🏻🛵😁
Do y=ou notice that shown speed is in miles? I had beautifull lambretta 150li and rated power with two stroke was 7 HP. RA has 8,7 HP with four stroke .
Why would you buy 1 of these? A twist an go CHINESE LAMBRETTA COPY.
Why would you ? Because they are great scooters, so more like Why would you not ? Glad you enjoyed the video x
Goats are a much better "ride" I hear
Is this a modern fuel-injected one? My carb-model (Scomadi TL) currently has 70.6 on the top-speed indicator. I need a bigger carb, and some porting to do when I have the money to throw at it.
wait 55 or 60 that's it? wow. My electric 1964 GT 200 Lambretta does 165 kph wihtout breaking a sweat.
wow !! that's crazy ! ill stick to 60 mph thanks💩 🤣Thanks for watching!! 🛵👍
That's a lie
And you need to buy D batteries ?