Madoka Magica is a show about two girls being so selfishly selfless that they keep refuting the other girls efforts to make them happy in an effort to make them happy instead.
"I'm not sure if this is just a fun opening cinematic and I'm not supposed to take it seriously". Trust me when I say everything, and I mean EVERYTHING in this movie is highly symbolic and nearly every single image in the beginning scene and every lyric of the song is very important. The song lyrics especially are very important. In fact, most of the movie's score is a leitmotif based on the song "Mada Dame Yo". I could write a 30 page essay on this movie. There's so much information I want to dump about everything.
Totally agree with you. PMMM (and especially the Rebellion) deserves a lot of serious critical essays. This franchise reminds me of Christianity, a theory of Carol Gilligan, some German literature, several Western mythologies, and the like. But most of all, why I love PMMM is because it treats those preteen girls really, really carefully and respectfully. Unlike lots of other Japanimations, PMMM keeps humanizing every single girl, despite one or two so-called "brutal" scene(s). They breathe, sob, struggle, determine and cherish HOPE for their own sake, not for us.
She actually gave Madoka everything she wanted. Madoka wanted to not feel like a burden. Madoka wanted Magical Girls to no longer become witches. Homura actually made sure both of their wishes were granted. She was strong enough to protect Madoka and Madoka got to save all Magical Girls, after all... taking a tiny bit of infinite hope Madoka spread around the universe still leaves an infinite about of hope Madoka spread around the universe lol.
Each time hse went back as it is stated in the anime she changed some elements that include Madoka she made her "weaker''but never managed to erasse the original Madoka that was stronger then Homura and could take the biggest burden .And even at the end she realised Madoka will remember some day and go against her. From day 1 Homura desperatly tried to keep Madoka in that weak needing protection state essentially switching their places because in the original timeline Homura was the weak one but in the end she never became stronger Madoka`swill to take all the burden for everyone is the opposite of Homura`s inability yo let Madoka one is selfish one selfless they exist to be polar opposites
One part of Homura's characterization that I think is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL but often get's ignored is that during Madoka's apotheosis, Homura was on the edge of witching. She was marinating in despair, so just like Sayaka did when she was grief spiraling into witching, Homura was interpreting everything in the worst possible way.
One final comment: I can't believe the first time I saw this it was well into the bus scene with Kyoko and Homura and I STILL didn't think anything at all about the bizarre backgrounds that had been appearing even outside the Nightmare fights. I just thought "Wow, they sure stylized everything for the movie!" =o)
honestly, i like the ending from the movie better. in the shows ending, homura wasnt really happy with how everything panned out. yeah, everyone else was happy and living in blissful ignorance but homura knew about madoka and the old universe and eventually that was going to break her. rebellion movie shows us exactly what was going to happen to her down the line. supposedly theres a sequel to rebellion comming out, but no time frame has been given. homura tells madoka "eventually you'll be my enemy" to madoka so yeah, a sequel is something i see comming.
One thing that I think is important to mention is that although Homura is calling herself evil, and a demon she isn't actually those things, Because she opposed Madoka who is a source of pure good then to her that must mean that she is the opposite. opposing god makes you a demon and against good must make you evil etc. But really she is just a hurt girl trying to deal with her love. Feeling like she deserves to be punished for what she has done yet still cant let go of her feelings for Madoka who she loves more than anything. The flower field scene is where she starts to think that Madoka made a mistake in her wish and that she was unhappy with the outcome and thus as part of Homura's original wish, to be able to protect Madoka, she had no other option than to "Save" her from her suffering as a concept. But as we see at the end, Madoka speaks about how she treasures the world and how you shouldn't break the rules just because you feel like it. Being exactly what Homura has just done, thus she feels like Madoka will eventually turn against her and become her enemy. The scene after the credits I believe is showing that Kyubey is now harbouring all the curses, and much like a soul gem is becoming corrupted. we see this with the change in his eyes compared to how we see them all throughout the movie. The half moon showing how things are broken and homura falling being part of her guilt. There is so much to talk about and that you can say about the movie, and if we do get that next part that have been teased I do hope that they can give us a conclusion where everything is set right.
in the movie "OPENING" madoka and sayaka are shining with a aura while dancing. Bebe was chosen because she was a fan favorite witch and also and the only other magical girl that lived in mitakihara at same time that our protagonist during the show.
What I understood was that Homora gave Madoka a normal life with her family and that the Law of cycle still exists, being the hope of magical girls. That's why she said she only took a piece of it. Maybe I'm wrong. Enjoyed your reaction.
The weird thing with Rebellion is that even if not everybody liked it, it still makes perfect sense. I mean, this is the only path Homura could've taken, she was clearly desperate in the end of the anime and wasn't happy with the destiny that Madoka chose, this was just inevitable. I really liked the anime final ep, because all the loneliness and sadness were wiped away by pure hope and selfless love. But that was too Disney for this girls, and Rebellion ending is more "real" in a way, because they could only feel happiness if they are forced to, like what Homura did.
Just finished watching all of your Madoka reactions after just finding your channel randomly and now I want to know: how do you feel about Rebellion now that you've dwelled on it AND have a new movie coming out next year?
I love Rebellion ending. Everything make sense on why Homura act like what she did. All the hint was given throughout the anime episode and then the movie little talk with Madoka just made her resolve to not let Madoka handle all the burden and let her live as a normal human with her family and friends more intensify
Adding on a teensy bit to what everyone else has already said - a striking piece of information I don't quite recall where it was from about Homura was that she came from a catholic school. Literally declaring herself the Devil to her beloved's sacredness couldn't have been a less subtle way of declaring how much she hates herself and knows what she's doing is wrong.
Going to a catholic school doesn't necessarily make her a believer however. We never heard her talk about her beliefs in the show and past timelines at all. She might have gone to one because of her parents, that might be all to it. But nice catch still.
After going back and watching movie again with your reaction here, I still like the movie more as I did first time watching it and my reasons are still the same for the ending and the evolution with Homura. Just really nice to see something end without it doing a cliche type of ending and having it making sense too.
Gonna post this obligatory bit here because I know someone else is gonna bring up this misconception at some point so I want to address it now and get it out of the way. There's this idea I've seen posted many times by detractors of the movie that Urobuchi was FORCED by the greedy studio to re-write the ending against his will to allow for more sequels. This is not true. It is true that he originally had the movie ending with Homura being taken away by Madoka, however he did not like this ending. He felt that Homura would not be satisfied with simply giving in and allowing herself to be taken away after she fought so hard to be Madoka's protector, and he struggled to figure out an ending that would be more fitting for Homura. After all, remember the way Homura worded her wish: "I want to redo my meeting with Madoka, but instead of her protecting me, I want to become strong enough to protect her". Well in the show, Homura never actually achieves her wish. In this movie though, Homura's wish is finally fulfilled, and she becomes powerful enough to protect the one person she cares for. If Homura had allowed herself to be taken by the Law of Cycles, she would have, once again, been allowing herself to be rescued by Madoka. A quote from the Rebellion material book: (you can just google "Rebellion material book", it should be the first entry. Section: Message from Gen Urobuchi (Screenplay) ) [ "But I had a hard time deciding on the ending. Ending the story with Homura and Madoka being reunited wasn't really the best outcome. After all, the instant Homura encounters her, she'll be guided by the Law of Cycles, and disappear. Would that make her happy? It was also the director, Mr. Shinbo's opinion that the outcome of the TV series, "a human becoming a god" might be too heavy a fate for a girl in middle school to bear. Since that was the case, I decided to try to come up with a way to create a story in which Madoka could escape that outcome. But I'd already ended this story once, so it was hard to figure out how to expand it. That was when Mr. Shinbo suggested, "How about a story with Homura confronting Madoka as an enemy?" I thought, if that's at all permissible, then I'd suddenly have all these options open to me, and that's how the current plot developed." ] It is shown in the movie too, how being the godlike Law of Cycles causes Madoka to suffer, both in Madoka's lines in the flower field scene, and in the scene where Madoka reaches through the window to bring Homura back from being a witch, and her arm is covered in wounds. So yes, being of Law of Cycles causes Madoka pain, but it's a pain she is willing to endure. You know who is not willing to allow Madoka to endure pain? Homura. Now, while I do overall like this ending, I will say my initial reaction was, I believe similar to yours. It just felt off at first, didn't sit quite right. But after a few re-watches, and some deeper digging, I came to like it much more, although I do feel there are some missteps. For example, I think Homura is a bit too over-acted (the creepy speech patterns, the "grinch smile") and I personally would have omitted or altered the line about being "evil" just because it seems to confuse people, and i find it a bit ham-fisted. My personal favorite interpretation of this line is that Homura is claiming the title of "evil" for herself because she feels it's what she deserves. IMO, it would make more sense for her to become the Concept of Despair, to reinforce the duality of hope/despair from the show since Madoka became the Concept of Hope. Certainly, give it a few re-watches, and pay extra-special attention to everything Homura says, because the foreshadowing is all there regarding the final twist. I'd also recommend looking up the "Witch Runes", because they're actually readable (just a substitution cipher, mostly in German) and there are many subliminal messages throughout the movie. For example, during Homura's transformation scene in the beginning, the lines "to mistress; we're bored" and "I kill myself" flash on the screen. In the end, I understand why they went the direction they did with Homura, and I love that the movie explores the consequences of Madoka's wish on Homura, and how it basically drove her insane. After all, with as many iterations of "reality" as Homura has been through, wouldn't the concept of "reality" begin to lose its meaning? As for the spinoff anime, I don't have high hopes. I've checked out the game it's based on and read up on the story and it seems to me to completely miss the point of Madoka Magica. It's just typical cookie-cutter magical girl stuff with a Madoka aesthetic. But who knows, maybe I'm being too harsh, guess we'll see. And finally there is supposed to be, last I checked, a 4th movie in development, though no news has come up regarding the movie in quite some time. If you're interested, try looking up the "Madoka Magica Concept Movie". It's a rough cut trailer/concept production for the 4th movie. While I love Rebellion, I can understand why many people feel it lacked closure and needs a followup, so I certainly wouldn't mind another movie. However, if they do go ahead with the movie, I think it should definitely end things. Too many great stories are ruined by continuing long after they should have ended, and I don't want to see Madoka end up with that same fate... But yeah, hit me up with questions, I could honestly go on for hours about this movie and random trivia and bits of information, details, easter-eggs etc.
I would like to know some answers to these questions since they were not directly portrayed in the movie. 1. The Witch Dolls in black clothes. Are they symbolizing Homura's emotions? Is there any symbolism besides that? I believe there was a chameleon in Houmra's crown too. What's that 2. What exists in the new universe reality? Homura said she need Kyubey to eliminate the Wraiths and I saw a ring on Sayaka. Since Madoka is not God anymore. Does that mean, in this new reality, Magical Girls still doing their jobs but the Law of Cycles will not be able to guide them? Or will Homura's power play an important part in the system? I love Rebellion ending but it did omit a lot of details which lead to a tiny conflict happening in my mind. I agree with your comment on how this movie really represents what Homura desires the most. Which is, in my opinion, what the show ending failed to achieve.
@@kenshirotoki9339 The "chameleon" is actually a newt/salamander, and is indeed a multi-layered symbol for Homura herself. You can see it at many point in the movie, in more or less stylized fashion : In the opening song, when Homura reaches for Madoka's hand which turns into sand, it lays on the ground as a kind of trinket ; As a logo on the blimps that patrol the sky throughout the movie ; As the actual animal, which explodes in a pink goo, right as Homura turns into her witch form ; As a logo on her crown again ; And finally as a stylized earring trinket that holds her soul gem (whatever it is now). Now as to why this represents Homura, I can see two aspects. The real-life salamander is a small batracian, but it is also a mythical creature in folklore that is deeply tied to the element of fire (If you're familiar with the Warhammer 40k universe, or the classical high-Fantasy universes like DnD, that should ring a bell), and Homura's name actually has a meaning which can be translated as "flame" or "blaze". The other thing that ties it to Homura is one of the two (main) themes of her witch form. The first one is the Nutcracker Witch, which should be obvious throughout the movie (her army of dolls, the mouth holding a walnut that appears in the sky after her fight with Mamy, all the teeth she's dropping on her walk to the guillotine, the way she breaks her soul gem after the big twist, etc...). The second theme, and the one which ties with the newt/salamander symbol, is the classical folklore wicked witch / crone from fairy tales, which is apparent in her physical witch form, with the pointy hat, plain black dress, crooked-tip shoes, etc ... as well as her sybol during the 'exorcism' of Hitomi's nightmare : the pumpkin (classical Halloween-like folklore). In that regard, the newt is a common ingredient for the various potions and filters that witches make.
@@kenshirotoki9339 Nuko outclasses me on the symbolism of the salamander, that part was one of my weaker points of understanding but Nuko graciously provided great explanations. As for the first part of your question; yes the witch dolls (they're called "Clara Dolls", yet another reference to "The Nutcracker", which Rebelliion is chock-full of) are Homura's most powerful familiars and they do indeed symbolize Homura's emotions, mostly her self-hatred. To read for yourself, I'll again recommend looking up the Rebellion Material Book, section "Witches Artwork" and "Clara Dolls". There are 14 - Haughtiness, Gloominess, Liiar, Heartlessness, Selfishness, Slander, Folly, Jealousy, Sloth, Vanity, Cowardice, Stupidity, Prejudice, Obstinacy. They are manifestations of Homura's darkest emotions and they follow her, whispering to each other and mocking her relentlessly, constantly reminding her of all her failures. The book does list a 15th Clara Doll, "Love" but says that this familiar is "yet to appear". #2 My understanding of Homura's new universe. It is still Madoka's universe, but Homura generated a massive Labyrinth which covers most or all of it. Therefore, all of the rules from Madoka's universe still apply, just with some alterations. The Law of Cycles, still exists and witches can no longer be born, but now Homura is responsible for guiding their souls away instead of Madoka. As for their despair, rather than Madoka accumulating the despair of the universe, Homura forces the curses onto Kyubey/the Incubators. That's what she means when she says "you're going to stay and help". She forces them to experience the despair that they have been forcing onto Magical Girls without being able to experience or understand it themselves. That's what we see in the after-credits scene when Kyubey is beaten-up with black swirling clouds in his eyes, he is experiencing despair. I think that's another reason I ultimately prefer Rebellion's ending; the Incubators get their comeuppance for all the suffering they've caused (or were going to cause, depending on how you look at it). But yes, we could use a few more details on exactly how this new system works, it's not all super clear. I would imagine that new Magical Girls will no longer be created, unless Homura can force the Incubators to create more, as I doubt the Incubators would willingly participate in this system. It's not like Madoka's remaking of the universe where history was retroactively altered. Homura hasn't changed anything in the past, she only introduced a "new principle" to an existing universe and altered everyone's memories.
@@rynbts Wow... you and Nuko really clear up all my confusion. I've never heard The Nutcracker at all in my life, will definitely look up the Material Book and the lore itself. Thank you so much for elucidating little details like this.
@@kenshirotoki9339 Sure thing! Yeah, Rebellion's story is in many ways, an amalgamation of two particular existing stories. The original Madoka Magica tv series is heavily inspired by and thought by many to be an adaptation of "Faust" -a tragic play written by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and first performed in 1829, look up those parallels too if you haven't already. Likewise, Rebellion is like some twisted lovechild of "The Nutcracker and the Mouse King" written by E. T. A. Hoffmann in 1816 (or "The Nutcracker" -a ballet adaptation from 1892) and "Paradise Lost" -an epic poem by John Milton, first published in 1667.
Yeah, maybe Homura shouldn't have told Kyubey about the way things used to be. Couple of quick comments: Homura could still stop time while fighting with Mami and it was the ribbon which made Mami immune. A nice detail is if you watch when Mami goes to boil the water you can see her attach the ribbon on her way by because she's knows something is up. Homura may or may not have lethally shot herself in the head, it's hard to tell. Either way, she knew she would be fine as long as her Soul Gem was intact. Mami didin't know this, however, so acted to save her which let Homura break the ribbon while she was distracted. Overall, I LOVE Rebellion. It's great seeing all the characters again, especially working together and happy for a good chunk of it. I wish Kyoko had more to do or was more important to the plot, but that's just a nitpick and I have no suggestions on how they could do it. I am also fine with the ending, but I am not fine with how they executed it. I think everything that occurred could have been done without giving Homura the creepy smile and weird speeches. I truly think it was something she could do purely to keep her promise to save Madoka without the change in personality. Finally, with all that said, in my heart the story ends with the last episode of the show. I love watching it and it looks great, but, to me, Rebellion doesn't "really" happen. Thanks again for the amazing reaction series! I will be back if you do the spin off series next year! I thought I would hate it but I've grown to like the characters and story in the game. It makes me hopeful the show will be good too. I don't in any way expect it to be as good as Madoka, but you never know.
@@tzukishiro Homuras comments gave them an understanding of what was going on. I remember back before rebellion I predicted Urobutcher would use that against Homura. Even before there was a rebellion I was calling it that any sequel would involve the incubators running research like would be logical after hearing that. If Homura didn't say anything then they would think it is weird but they wouldn't have any real concept of Madoka or that witches used to exist. Telling them what happened let them put it all together and realize there was energy to be gained which started the mess in the first place.
@@moalboris239 lol The first time I watched Rebellion, when Homura realizes Kyubey's plan, I thought the story would end in some sort of 'paradox', with incubators reaching its goal to bring witches back, giving birth to the universe we had already seen in the anime. I'm glad that actually didn't happen, so I kinda like the ending we've got. Anyway, I hope we get a sequel soon.
Wow, what a ride! Though it’s probably a good idea to take everything Homura says with a grain of salt; her judgement and mental stability aren't exactly in the best condition, shall we say. The self-hatred and constant suffering also isn't helping. Now, it’s been awhile since you watched the movie so I don’t know how much lore you have already looked into but just in case, have some fun facts! 😊 Homura's witch (Homulily) is called the Nutcracker Witch (inspired by the ballet "The Nutcracker" where a damaged nutcracker gets fixed and taken in by a girl whom he then protects from the rat king), hence the random walnut at the end of the battle between Mami and Homura. In her witch form you can also see that the upper half of Homulily's head has fallen off and her teeth are falling out. Without the teeth and upper jaw a nutcracker (obviously) can't crack nuts anymore and is thus useless, just like Homura couldn't save Madoka and feels useless because of it. Homura's familiars (the ones who are occasionally seen throwing tomatoes). They are called Clara Dolls. There are 14 known ones and each represent a personality trait (they also make it quite clear how Homura sees herself): Ibari (Pride), Nekura (Pessimism), Usotsuki (Liar), Reiketsu (Coldheartedness), Wagamama (Selfishness), Warukuchi (Slander), Noroma (Blockheaded), Yakimochi (Jealousy), Namake (Lazyness), Mie (Vanity), Manuke (Stupid-Looking), Higami (Inferiority), and Ganko (Stubbornness). There's a 15th doll that has yet to arrive: Ai (Love). Extra Fun Fact: The Clara Dolls are taunting Homura and throwing tomatoes at her. Read: Homura's subconscious is taunting her and throwing tomatoes at her. Obvious self-hatred is obvious. Also the fact that her familiars refer to her as "Good-for-Nothing". In one of the spin-off mangas I think it's shown that the Incubators didn't just trap Homura's Soul Gem in that Isolation Field, but actively tortured her emotionally (and perhaps physically; not too sure about this) until she became a witch. Those d***s... About Kyubey: A popular theory is that Homura basically stuffed the all despair that would usually manifest as Wraiths or Witches into Kyubey to let him process it directly. Another says that she infused him with emotion and he went insane from that. Or maybe both. Who knows. EDIT: Forgot one Clara Doll - Okubyou (Cowardice). Sorry! 😅
And because I don’t have any hobbies, have some notes, interpretations and theories as well... 😅 The reason behind Homura’s decision to become a demon basically comes down to two scenes in the movie. a) The flower field scene (just before Homura finds out that she is the witch). Madoka says something along the lines of "Leaving my family and friends behind would hurt me more than anything", which leads Homura to the conclusion that Madoka is suffering as the Law of Cycles. And I don't even think she is wrong about that! It's just like Junko (Madoka's mum) said in episode 6: Sometimes people get too caught up in trying to do what's right and take on more than they can handle. That's why it might be necessary to make a mistake for them to snap them out of it. However, Homura misunderstands Madoka in the way that, even though being separated from everyone hurts her, she doesn't regret her wish. Just like Homura, even though she suffers during the time loops, doesn't regret her wish to save Madoka. b) The conversation between Homura and the Incubator. Despite the Incubator's initial failure to capture Madoka, Homura knows that they won't give up. They'll simply repeat their experiment on other Magical Girls and improve their tactics until they manage to catch her. After everything they've been through, Homura realizes that not only does Madoka still suffer but she's still in danger from the Incubators as well. I think at this point she is just so hopeless and tired of everything that she decides to throw out whatever meager self-esteem she still has and do whatever is necessary to protect Madoka, even if it makes everyone else see her as evil. I personally don't think that what she did was right but I do think it was necessary. The alternative would have been Homura doing nothing even though she knew about the Incubator's plan. If she had the knowledge of what was going to happen (Madoka being caught and the witch system reinstalled) and had the means to prevent it but instead chose to stand-by and do nothing, then that would have made her just as guilty. Remember seeing a "witch's kiss" for the first time in episode 2, where a woman was compelled to jump from a building but Mami saved her with her ribbons? The woman had taken her shoes off before jumping because apparently that's what you do in Japan just before committing suicide. The reason I specifically pointed out this scene is that the "shoe symbolism" shows very clearly how Homura feels behind her facade. During her little confrontation with Sayaka at the end, there's a short scene in which her familiars (manifestations of her own subconscious!) jump off a cliff with shoes strewn all over the place. Another one shows black feathers falling into a purple river and turning into shoes beneath the surface. All that (and the after credit scene where Homura lets herself fall off the hill) leads me to conclude that she's so miserable she literally wishes to die. My personal theory on this whole thing is that this is basically the universe's backlash to Madoka's wish. The hope that Madoka's wish created was never balanced out since she destroyed her own witch. Some other entity had to take this role as Madoka's opposite and it just happened to be Homura. However, note that balance has not yet been re-established; think about it like tipping a scale to one side and letting go of it: Instead of returning to its balanced state immediately, the scale will first swing to the opposite side (here: Homura's universe) and then slowly regain its original position. The following comments will elaborate a bit on that... a) Did the universe plan for Homura to become the devil? Perhaps. This one is a bit farfetched but it's not impossible. So, in episode 12 Madoka and Homura have their little goodbye in the God realm (or where ever that was). What I've always wondered is: How did Homura get there? Madoka didn't bring her, she says "You managed to follow me all the way here". And Homura herself had 1) no idea where Madoka even was and was 2) seriously depressed and crying her eyes out. She wasn't trying to go anywhere. Even if she did, we know this universe is not prone to grant you a real miracle just because you really, really want something. If Homura's will alone could have surpassed the universe's laws, she would have saved Madoka ages ago. Is it possible then, that the universe brought her there on purpose as part of its readjustment? For that matter, how did Homura keep her memories of Madoka in the new world? Again, it was not directly Madoka's doing, she only gives Homura her ribbons as a memory aid. (Madoka: "Even though you're going back to your world... You never know! Maybe you'll still remember me [...]. Everything is going to be fine. Just believe it will. We're Magical Girls, remember? We make hopes and dreams come true. [...] There is no doubt miracles can really happen.") She is relying on her belief that things will turn out alright from there on out and that Homura will be granted a true miracle (remembering Madoka). But, again, we all know that true miracles aren't really a thing in the PMMM universe. So, did the universe allow Homura to keep her memories, starting a chain reaction that would eventually make her the devil to compensate for Madoka's goddess status? After all, it was only due to Homura's memories that she was chosen as bait for Kyubey's trap. And it was because only she could remember, that she grew desperate enough to tell Kyubey about the old order in the first place. Those memories have without doubt also contributed to her emotional deterioration (as she says in Rebellion, she felt as if she was going insane because nobody else knew what she was talking about), thus clouding her judgment even further. As I said, this part of the theory is a bit farfetched but I think it makes sense. b) Could Madoka's or Homura's universe even survive? If my hypothesis is correct then both Madoka's and Homura's world are out of balance (one is tipped to the "light side" and one to the "dark side"; not taking light and dark as synonyms for good and evil here, btw. Those terms are purely for illustration purposes). And there would probably be some consequences to that, like the world itself becoming unstable. Unfortunately, we don't get to see much of either world so all I can really do at this point is guess. In episode 12 as well as the end of Rebellion we see Homura (and, in Rebellion, the other girls as well) on some sort of desolate plain with weird metal constructs protruding from the dust. This could just be a random desert, of course (though I do wonder where Homura's "grave" came from); it could also be some post apocalyptic landscape. We know that not all that much time has passed between episode 12 and Rebellion because towards the movie's end (when they break out of Homura's labyrinth) we see the real people (including Hitomi, Kyosuke and Madoka's family) that were trapped in the false city gently being lowered to the ground by some familiars. I can excuse the Magical Girls not aging, but these are regular humans and they don't look a day older then in episode 12. This could (COULD!) imply that the out-of-balance universe is deteriorating, and fast. Homura's universe is more clearly unstable. Even though she suppresses Madoka's powers, the hallway scene shows that the Law of Cyles could return at any moment if Homura isn't careful. Homura herself acknowledges that she will be Madoka's enemy eventually, implying that she'll inevitably lose control over the goddess. Additionally, in the final scene of Rebellion (with Homura overlooking the city from a hill at night) she seems almost tired/exhausted, meaning that she alone won't be able to bear this huge task of managing the whole universe forever. It's already wearing her down. c) Are Madoka and Homura the Yin and Yang of this series? I think so. I mean, with all that symbolism? Goddess/Demoness, white color scheme/black color scheme, serene innocence/eldritch power, optimism/realism,... The list goes on. Madoka will always do what she thinks is right, while Homura will always do what she thinks is necessary. Madoka provides kindness and hope for the future, while Homura deals with the... ugly... practicalities of the present. Episode twelve gives us a good ending that isn't completely good, while Rebellion gives us a bad ending that isn't completely bad. (Also, fun fact: Have you noticed at the end of Rebellion where Homura shows Madoka around the school, there is a scene in which you only see their feet/shins as they are walking next to each other. Homura wears black, Madoka wears white. I know it's a super small thing but every time I see it, I can't help but think that it represents the roles they now have...) The way I see it, both Madoka and Homura have to exist as deities in opposing roles, balancing out both each other and the universe itself. That way you'll get a stable system and even though it's not a full on good ending, it's exactly what I would expect from Madoka Magica. Madoka would be able to fulfill her wish and keep witches from coming into existence. Homura would be able to fulfill her wish to be in a position where she can protect Madoka and carry the burden of the universe with her. If you want read some theories with a different perspective on this movie‘s events, Madoka‘s and Homura’s character and the overall theme of the anime as compared to the movie, I would recommend Asehpe‘s theory. It is quite insightful and incorporates important themes from both the series and Rebellion. Assuming they are going to post it here. 😅
@@ironmoondarkwing4190i personally don't like the interpretation about universe having any form of which or plan. throw off all about madoka having surpassed the the karmic bounds of the universe and becoming an entity above the universe
Honestly the Clara Dolls are so cool. Also they're overpowered as heck. Remember how Walpurgisnacht had those super powerful familiars? Well the Clara Dolls are like those but even more powerful. In the guide it states that "their power is a match for that of a magical girl". You can see one of them fighting Sayaka and it actually kicks is a match for Sayaka's power. And note that this Sayaka has been powered up by the Law of Cycles. Basically, not only does Homura have normal familiars, she also has an additional 14 super familiars each aour as powerful as an entire witch.
Hey cool fact, the Clara Dolls are each as powerful as a magical girl. You could see one of them (Ibara maybe?) fighting against Law of Cycles empowered Sayaka and holding her own. Very scary.
I always tought that now that Homucifer made the Incubators her subordinates, being vessels for despair, the last scene represents that they may be starting to feel said despair, representing in the close up of Kybey's pupil at the end, so if we ever get a continuation of the story (seriously frikin' when?), I think the whole thing will revolve around them now having a way to relate to humans feelings.
they deserve it honestly. they offer the deal when most of the girls hit rock bottom and blaming them for not asking about the consequences. even though it clearly stated that teenage girl emotion are unstable. so, of course they would accept the offer right away (although, not everyone did). IMO what Homura put them through is still not comparable to the countless life they already destroy.
According to Nagisa’s (Bebe’s) backstory she wished for a cheesecake and despaired and turned into her witch form Charlotte after she learned the cake was for her sick mother, that died shortly afterwards. Charlotte is also the same witch that decapitated Mami so technically Mami protected her own murderer. Wouldn’t that be a fun conversation over tea and cake?
Yes and no. In the REAL timeline, Mami's fate was to die while fighting Walpurgisnacht. That Charlotte ended up killing her was one of the many different ways she died. If Kyouko ever stood up for Mami, one also couldn't say, Kyouko protected her murderer, since Mami once actually killed her in desperation.
one timeline, Mami can defeat Charlotte alone if no Madoka and Sayaka, and yes, Mami fucked up because she showoff, and it is also canon Mami said that charlotte is serious thread because deceive her it is (layered body i assume she mean)
I didn't like Rebellion at first. But after a couple viewings and much consideration, and reviewing the show with knowledge, I think it is a great movie.
It is hard to judge Homura's actions without knowing what really is going on in the new world she created. She says she only broke small part of the law of the cycle, does that mean it still works somewhat and still prevents magical girls from becoming witches? Are there even magical girls there in the first place? Did she really rebuild a new universe like Madoka did or did she "just" create a universe-wide witch's labyrinth on top of it, like the visuals seem to imply? Bottom line, we have no idea what the situation is, if she just managed to take Madoka off of the law of the cycle and recreate a peaceful world without fucking everything up in the process there is no reason for her to call herself evil. Or, well, since she royally fucked up the Incubators i guess she also condemned the universe to eventually die to entropy in a few trillion years.
I mean, it's very obvious, and we DO know. Everything is going just as normal, except now Madoka gets to live a normal life. There are wraiths, as she said, so there must be magical girls of some sort, and there is still a law of the cycle working as well
@@tzukishiro But wraiths are not directly tied to magical girls like witches were, witches can't exist without magical girls for obvious reasons but the same is not necessarily true for wraiths since they clearly form in a totally different way. In the world rewritten by Madoka magical girls exist because wraiths exist and they are still a decent way to gather energy for incubators, magical girls do not create them, meaning wraiths can very well exist with no magical girls. If magical girls are not a thing, the law of the cycle being broken or not doesn't really matter. Also, the fact that Homura herself entertains the idea of just killing off all the wraiths is highly abnormal and can have unforseen consequences. It is not supposed to be possible to just wipe out all wraiths, normally they continously spawn as long as humanity has dark emotions, meaning as long as humanity exists, but it makes sense if the wraiths currently existing are just leftovers from the old world and no new ones are born because all the curses and negative energy from humans are forced into the incubators before they can condense into wraiths. It is possible given the last scene of the movie, but it is absolutely not the normal state of things. If instead magical girls still exist, what happens to them once all the wraiths are gone? I supposed they will be condemed to succumb to the corruption with no way to purify their soul gems. And what will happen to Incubators? Will they eventually turn into monsters themselves and try to destroy everything? Will they reach critical mass and just die releasing all the negative energy they accumulated at once? If they stopped creating magical girls (because Homura is forcing curses on them, and they seem not even able to move anymore. Also there are no more wraiths to get energy from to begin with) and all the previous magical girls are all dead because there are no wraiths left to purify themselves, who will fight if the incubators eventually turn into monsters or realease all their corruption at once? The fact that Bebe and Sayaka are alive in the new world to begin with suggests that possibly at least one of these is true: 1 - Magical girls don't exist, they never became magical girls so they never ended up corrupted and never got taken by the law of the cycle. But this should be impossible because Sayaka still has her witch form. 2 - They did become magical girls but the law of the cycle now works in a very different way and does not kill them when they are currupted. What does it do then? Is it worse or better than before? If it is better why didn't Madoka just do that instead of taking magical girls away? 3 - What Homura did to the universe is VERY different from what Madoka did, she did not just rebuild the universe with a few modified rules or laws an then let history play itself, she created a world more similar to a witch's labyrinth without actually affecting past events or rewriting history but just pulling pre-existing people and entities into it, so current laws and conditions don't really apply to past events. Meaning having wraiths and eventually magical girls as leftovers from the old world is also possible even if no new ones can be created. Point 3 is the most likely since Sayaka not only is alive but also remembers the other world initially, which would not be possible if the universe got reset and restarted. It is also the scenario that can more easily go wrong since eventually the exact same thing that happened in the world inside Homura's soul gem could happen to this new world, it could just crumble and burn. What would happen to the world if somehow Homura dies or gets incapacitated? She doesn't seem to be as incorporeal and unpercievable as Madoka was and she clearly made herself an enemy of the Incubators. What if they manage to ger rid of her eventually? Will her world just stand on its own or will it crumble without her supporting it with her power? The very fact that Sayaka still has witch powers also poses a lot of questions, and nothing is normal about that. Does that mean that all the magical girls saved by the law of the cycle are now in this new world as half-witches? Or is it just Sayaka and Bebe because they are the only ones Homura knew about? Is it just the new effect of the law of the cycle? Either way having people go around with witch powers is not normal at all and can have highly unpredictable consequences, even if they don't remember they have that power. Entities similar to witches' minions are everywhere in this world and once again, there is absolutely nothing normal about that. Assuming everything is going just fine and the world created by Homura is a good solution is premature, we have seen only a few minutes of it and there are a million different possibilities still in play. Let me be clear, i'm with her all the way, her motivations were not evil at all and there is nothing wrong in pulling Madoka out of the law of the cycle to have her live a normal happy life in a new world of her creation. But did she really manage to create a safe, peaceful world that will be working properly in the long run? Did she really consider all the possible outcomes? Could she forsee all the possible consequences of her actions? I'm not sure about that, it is very different from the real world and we've seen only a very small slice of it.
Lol woops I was going to write a short comment but every time I write about this movie to describe the ending to people I always go overboard because I care so much about this anime. A lot of people don't like the ending but that's because they don't truly think about the characters and what happened. The entire point of the anime itself was that Homura, the main character, was a sick girl who was almost killed by a supernatural entity, a witch, and was saved by Madoka. Her first true friend, her savior. She never had friends because she was always sick, so she had very strong friendship feelings for Madoka. And then seeing madoka having to suffer is what brought upon her own journey to fix it all, because the evil that existed was that entire system or becoming magical girls, defeating witches, becoming a witch, etc (endless suffering for young innocent girls). Madoka tried fixing it but all she did with her god wish was to give a peaceful death to magical girls, nothing else. If magical girls were about to turn into witches they instead poofed away because they were collected by Madoka. So the suffering continued, fighting continued, and to top it all off Madoka was forgotten by everyone and Madoka's normal peaceful school girl was ruined forever. Homura's entire point of becoming a magical girl was spit on, that entire emotional stuff of Homura fighting for Madoka, and even having to put Madoka out of her misery the one time, it's all for nothing because all the madoka god wish ending did was give peace for fallen magical girls, so it didnt eradicate the evil system it merely changed it a bit. For Madoka that was fine but thats thinking about the big picture, but Homura's entire point and plan was that she wanted to give back a normal peaceful life to Madoka, so they can be friends like normal girls and not have to be torn apart by this fucked up system Kyuubey literally forced them into. So the end of rebellion seems weird but its technically a good ending. Think about it, at the end of the anime Madoka was only able to change the universe because of her stacked up fates combining into one big karma wish we got granted, and thats it, it was GRANTED to her, given so to say. But when Homura changed the universe she did it EXCLUSIVELY out of absolute sheer own will power. Her feelings of friendship and love for Madoka were so strong, and her hate towards this honestly fucked up system, that she changed the actual entirety of the actual universe into what she wanted. Not listening to any dumb fuck systems anymore, because clearly it only brought suffering, no it was enough, Homura was like "fuck this dumb shit, ive had enough". And at the end she mostly plays a character, and partly she's a bit broken after the whole witch ordeal, but she plays this character because she was the one being evil by not following the rules, because the rules fucking sucked. This whole concept is supposed to be a play on the story of god and lucifer, and how lucifer was evil because he loved god too much. Anyway madoka follows rules, which makes her good, but those rules still cause suffering, and Homura is evil purely because she broke the rules because she wanted something, and what she wanted is for them all to stop suffering and finally have a good peaceful fun life. So at the end she HAS to force everyone into what they should be, peaceful highschool girls that can enjoy life. Sayaka is being a bitch by trying to start drama again (like she did in season 1) by going "this isnt right, you cant just force stuff! Forcing stuff is bad!", not understanding that forcing a bad system down is a good thing if it ends suffering for innocent people. Sayaka has always caused drama and gotten REALLY in the way of Homura, which pisses off Homura understandibly, so thats why when we see devil homura talk to sayaka she decides to play the role of the devil, and to give a half acted villain speech to Sayaka because Sayaka is once again trying to get into the way and she's fucking tired of it. Madoka almost snaps out of it and turns god mode again but thats not good, because then everything would revert back to the old system where innocent magical girls were still fighting and suffering. To make it simple, Homura is considered "evil" in the universe of the show because she has to use force over others to get her way, even though her way is the good optimal way. She is also considered evil because her motives were mainly coming from self centered feelings, so kinda jealously in a backwards way, so like what Lucifer did. BUT to get to my main point here: the ending is a good ending, because homura forced a good life for everyone out of pure frustration for the dumb fuck they had to suffer through. She enabled the lonely Mami to finally live with Bebe, something that would have been impossible, so she made Mami and Bebe's life perfect. She enabled Kyoko and Sayaka to be friends and live a peaceful life, with possible romance. She allows Kyosuke and Hitomi to hook up, it leaves a bitter taste in Sayaka's mouth but she's finding new love in Kyoko so its all good. And Madoka gets to live a peaceful life with her family and friends without being dragged into fights. The only bad thing about the ending is that Homura did all this so she can be friends with Homura again, but because she's been traumatized from all the things she's experienced and because she's been mentally hurt so much she's having difficulty being her old innocent self, so trying to be friends with madoka naturally again is too difficult for her, which is why she tries to bring across some nice words to Madoka. And the whole thing with "i might become your enemy" is because she'll do anything to protect madoka's happy peaceful life, for Madoka's sake, not for her own sake, and Madoka being god again ruins Madoka's happy life. Homura was straight up ready to sacrifice her own life and soul in order to protect Madoka from the incubators, so by that point she was already content with Madoka living on without herself being able to join. So the ending she TRIED forcing a good life for everyone, but Madoka ultimately might ruin the true intended happy life of Homura, so homura realizes and decides there on the spot "alright, if i cant be your friend anymore like I always truly wanted then at least ill be happy that you get to live your happy live with your friends and family and I will fight for this, for your sake". Homura's actual dialogue was "Then I suppose someday, you will become my enemy as well. But I don't care. Because even then, I will continue to wish for a world in which you will be happy." So essentially everyone has a truly absolutely happy life at the end, and whether or not Homura can be friends with Madoka again is completely open. Maybe they can become friends again, maybe not, but we wont know, but for now everyone has a happy life and Homura is bittersweet happy because at least she got most of her wish through sheer force, AND she got to fucking rub it into the incubators faces by punishing them to endless suffering. So it really is a happy ending. The true actual main character got revenge on the villains, and was able to restore actual peace, while sacrificing her own happiness a bit. CONTINUED IN REPLY COMMENT:
Oh another quick note: Bebe was the actual little girl who once was a magical girl, became a witch, decapitated Mami, and then was destroyed by Homura. So Homura bringing her back to life to live a happy regular life of a little girl that goes to school is the ultimate salvation for Bebe. You might think there wasn't much payoff for Bebe since she was this whole new character but there was, it's just not as obvious at first. In the regular anime season (i think ep 3) we see Bebe's witch world, and all it had was candy, sweets, and medicine laying around. There was signs hinting at cheese but it was nowhere to be found. The theory fans have is that Bebe was a sick little girl in the hospital, and that Kyuubey granted her the wish to become healthy, but she was so little and so innocent that she couldn't fight witches correctly, so her soul gem corrupted over time and thats how she turned into a witch. And she reeeeally loves cheese, not sure why but thats what the author decided, anyway her witch world has cheese nowhere, but instead sweets (which is sweet and not savory), and medicine (which references the suffering times she spent in hospitals), so her witch world is designed to mock, haunt, and torture her emotionally. And at the end of the movie we see her buying a bunch of cheese together with Mami. So she got an absolute 100% good happy ending. And another thing, at the end of episode 12 we see Homura fight the wraiths, and she spreads these magical energy wings that have witch aesthetics inside, she was already slowly turning into a witch there because she kept fighting so hard for Madoka's sake like a terminator that her soul gem was corrupting, which the incubators did on purpose (the incubators forced more wraiths onto everything). And the only reason this was happening to Homura was because she and her soul gem originated from the original universe that had witches, so the incubator's only chance to use this system to their advantage. At the end of ep 12 you see her in the middle of a wasteland, and that's where her body was laying in the movie when she woke up, so it does connect perfectly. OH and another cool note. This is actual official information from the producer of Madoka that can't be found anywhere and usually the only way you hear this info is via people's guesses. I was at a convention and got to ask the producer this myself and afterwards this wasn't posted anywhere as far as I know. Question: Why does Homura have the bow at the end of the anime season and no more time manipulating shield? Because this is the first time she is given an ACTUAL magical weapon of any kind. Answer: She had the time manipulation shield because it was directly intertwined with her original wish, which was to see Madoka again, but after seeing Madoka for a last time and since she couldn't go back into the old universe via time traveling she now received a bow, in honor of Madoka and because now she was looking FORWARD towards a goal instead of looking back in time to an old moment. Her shield and bow both were based on her current objectives. (The bow shooting an arrow as representation for going forward is something obvious that I don't need to explain) But yeah the more often times you watch the movie the more you understand and appreciate it. It's literally the same reactions for everyone that I've ever talked to. Initial reaction "wtf this ending stupid", then a good bit later after watching it more times and understanding it "i guess it wasnt that bad after all". Or the third option, close minded people "its still a retarded ending, nothing got better". PS: Homura did nothing wrong.
The sequel to "Rebellion." The beginning of a new chapter. Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie -Walpurgisnacht: Rising- by Akiyuki Shimbou x Gen Urobuchi (Nitroplus) x aokiume x SHAFT is coming soon.
still waiting for the sequel (this feels like a "to be continue..." ending) but Urobochi is busy with the puppet anime (the puppet show is good go watch it)
If it reassures you any, earlier this year one of the people at Shaft confirmed a proper sequel is in pre-production, not related to the already forthcoming spinoff.
Loved your review/thoughts on the movie, as the movie overall has been divisible with watchers and fans, especially regarding the ending. I am in the camp similar to you where I do think the original ending felt alot better, as it more or less made it so a sequel wasn't necessary, however I do think this ending is better if they actually make a sequel (either in another TV series or another film) since it opens up alot more possibilities to create a new plot. Of course, currently there is no sequel other than a short concept film that was released in 2015 on ideas for the next mainline Madoka project, so currently the Rebellion ending feels way worse than the TV series ending. I also agree with your opinion on the pacing of the film being a bit slow. While I love the film, I do agree that it isn't quite as rewatchable as the original series, mainly due to the first hour just setting up the first plot twist. I believe that probably all the exposition that explains stuff regarding the TV series probably could have been removed, as well as the beginning recreation of the start of Madoka Magica. However, there are a few interesting things in the background or references to other Madoka media that does make rewatching still fairly enjoyable; one example is at around 1:22:10 or so where the scene with Homura imagining sitting next to Madoka on white chairs in a green grass field is a scene similar to the movie OP of the Madoka Magica remakes. On a related note, if you are thinking of looking at other material in the Madoka franchise, there are a few mangas, some canon and alot of non-canon/spinoff ones that I think are worth checking out. There's The Different Story manga, which I think is the best canon (possibly anyway, it can take place in one of Homura's time loops) additional manga as it explores character relationships that weren't really fleshed out in the animes. The Majuu-hen/Wraith Arc manga is also a canonical manga that helps explain what happened between the TV series and Rebellion, though I do think its kind of forgettable and you can skip. The Madoka Magica manga adaptation might be interesting to also read since you planned to rewatch the original series; overall its not as great as the anime due to not having the Shaft production animation, but it was written concurrently with the TV anime, so while the overall plot is similar, there are ALOT of differences between the two versions, making it pretty interesting to look at. The best non-canon/spinoff manga for Madoka is definitely Homura Tamura, a gag comedy manga that probably isn't canon that explores Homuras adventures visiting various time loops with their own rules; while completely pointless, I did find it really funny and by far the most memorable of the Madoka mangas.
Homura Realise that even she witches she can control her emotion and will, with that concept she have the plan to swallow Madoka and universe in a huge witch labirint, and fabricate utopia but in a larger scale. she states that she was immune to despair because pain itself is dear to her.
There was a series of videos about Rebellion called "Defending and Analyzing Madoka Magica Rebellion" that really put everything into place so well for me. Unfortunately, the person who made it has privated them so you can't watch it, so you can't really get that. The puella-magi wiki has some of the information, but not all of it. There's another video called "Homura Was Never a Good Person" and that covers a lot of the basic points about Homura's character without the wider dissection of the themes and imagery in the movie. But fuck me, I could go into endless detail about this movie. I highly recommend you rewatch it a few times. Otherwise, I suggest that you watch the video on youtube "Meguca". It's the most important piece of Madoka Magica fanwork and the entire "fandom" is basically based around it.
That series analyzing Rebellion was such an amazing analysis, I hope the creator isn't gone for good :( I'd love to see those videos again if for no other reason than to at least document the analysis and reference as it as a source material. Real shame the creator hid them away, it was easily the most comprehensive analysis of the movie I've seen to date.
Let me get some things I don't want to forget out of the way first. Yes, I actually agree that the mystery is kept for way too long, but not even that, I think the movie is in general just a bit too long and long winded, I definitely feel like it could've been cut down a little bit, and maybe streamlined it so it doesn't become "well I still have no idea what's happening" an entire hour into it, but I see what they were going for, it's a minor not-even-really-a-complaint. Bebe! Let's talk about Bebe, that is my biggest disappointment from this movie actually. She was... kind of extremely minor, and for you that was a disappointment because she was this entire new, interesting and intriguing character, but.... imagine, imagine if you were waiting for this moment EVER SINCE EPISODE 3?! Yes, Bebe, Nagisa Momoe, Charlotte the witch, that thing that chomped Mami's head off in episode 3, we have been speculating about who she was, what happened to her, what her wish was, etc. etc. Ever since episode 3 came out, it's been a huge point of theory crafting and mystery and people went ham on it, and the side material about her character, her backstory, all the sweets and cheese and everything was released almost near that time or not long after. So we knew practically everything there was to know about Nagisa/Charlotte at the time the show was going because of side material, what happened to her, her entire tragedy, everything. And can you imagine how hyped it was to finally see that about her in the movie, a character wrapped in so much love, speculation and interest and obsession to end... pretty much the most minor thing to throw in a few fanservice bones to the fans with a couple of lines and literally nothing about what was teased for all these years, nothing at all?!!! God this is by far my biggest gripe and I'm sure this comes off as madman talk to anyone who wasn't watching madoka as it was airing and wasn't part of all the craze, discussions, theories etc. during that time but man. That's just disappointing. Talk about expecting payoff, jesus christ. Also highly recommend to read up on her files and side material and etc., she's a really fascinating character, who was so much so more fascinating at the point where madoka only had 3 episodes and we had to scrap together everything about her and it helped us peer deeper into the show's mystery before it was even finished. Now, about the movie itself, the ending and Homura's character... I actually loved it. This may have come off as negative but I love this movie, and it took me ages to watch it because I thought the show was perfect and I didn't want anything else. But i think this character arc for Homura makes absolute perfect sense, all the themes, all the feeling, everything just ties in so neatly for me, it just makes perfect sense that she would do this, her entire obsession with madoka, going time and time and time again through the loops of despair for madoka, inflicting all this karmic burden on her and ultimately being quite selfish. So her ultimate fate is something I think is beautiful, tragic and poetic and that is what love is. and just everything I wanted. Of course we can talk about the logic, themes, what it all means going further, the philosophy for ages, but I can't believe I made this turn. From thinking the show was perfect and being antagonistic towards this movie even existing to coming to love this way more. And this is an extremely divisive movie, before you watched it you brought up a few times how people mostly liked it but that was not even closely true, this movie split people in 2 different camps. Of course I'd never bring it up because you knew nothing of the movie and I wouldn't want to give any prior knowledge and I'm glad that last twist came out of nowhere. That's uhh my quick 4 hours of sleep and no coffee thoughts. I'd like to talk more about whatever anyone wants to talk from this movie, but I don't know where to start, so I'll leave that to someone else to start, I'm here for it. But for now I can't really put my scrambled thoughts together for any specific point, so yeah, someone do that for me. Of course on the visual standpoint this was an absolute marvel, I loved everything, just that whole cake song scene, that was just something unbelievably fun and all the later parts, I can talk about every frame from all 1/3, 2/3, and 3/3rds of this movie and it will take an eternity and I don't think I need, you saw it, I saw it, we saw it, whoever didn't just go and see it and that's all you need, it wasn't something one can put into words, it's an experience to see it unfold. Um, of course, great video as always, it was a ton of fun. Can't wait for whatever more, time for a uhh coffee. cheerio.
I only watched this show last year, so I did not have the experience of doing all the theory crafting and such while it aired and I gotta admit, yeah that sounds like it sucks. Having several years worth of fan speculation end up with basically just a cameo? Yeah that hurts. I was fortunate enough to go into this movie with very few expectations, so there wasn't much for me to be disappointed by. In fact, it may just be the opposite, I had one person tell me that the ending was "soul-crushing" so I was expecting like, the worst stuff imaginable. You know like, "everyone dies, the incubators win, and Madoka is forced to strangle a kitten with her bare hands" levels of completely screwed. So compared to that my initial reaction to the movie was more like, wow, that wasn't even close to as bad as I thought it was going to be. But I can definitely see how someone who had followed the show since it first aired may feel cheated by some decisions in this movie. Context and expectations often make a heck of a difference.
I have watched Rebellion once and I should watch it again, but I have to say that the series could have ended there were it did. It was quite good movie, but maybe rewatching would give me some more thoughts. But show didn't need a movie, that's what I'm saying I quess.
It may sound kind of strange but since so many aspects of this ending are open to interpretation how much I like this ending compared to the original strongly depends on which interpretation you go with. (For instance I don't think Homura is really Evil, she just has a lot of self-hatred especially after what she's done so she sees herself that way). I'm always a bit scared an eventual 4th movie will end up going with an interpretation I don't like as much. I'm happy they didn't end it with Madokami taking Homura away though. A character lying down and dying and this being their "happy ending" wouldn't have really worked for me I think, the concept of that feels weird to me on some fundamental level I think. (The original Madoka ending is different and fine because it's not Madoka sacrificing herself that's the happy part, it's everything else).
She said it very plainly... Is Madoka is a god, and Homura is the one messing with the laws of a god and the nature that was established, then she is by definition evil. She's not saying it like "i'm a bad person", she's just saying a fact of their natures
@@tzukishiro I don't really agree with the notion that defying a god/nature is inherently evil at all. Madoka is not the Christian god, all the Christian theology about how the definition of evil is opposing god does not necessarily apply to her/this setting at all even if Homura thinks it does due to her Catholic school upbringing. Secondly I think that Homura in her "demon" form is actually the same kind of "beyond magical girl" form that Madoka is and Homura only thinks she's a demon because of her self-hatred. So at that point it's just two gods having a bit of a tiff.
The movie's biggest flaw is that it hasn't received a proper continuation yet. The confrontations and setup for future story is here, but it's been 6 years and it hasn't gotten a sequel. Until such a show/movie exists, I will regard the show as the current ending, because it is an actual ending. Rebellion doesn't end, it just kinda stops.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. This is as much of an ending as the original show's ending was. lmao. So, nobody cares about you, THIS is the end of Madoka, for now.
God I fucking love seeing people gaze upon the glory that is Homucifer for the first time. The sociopathic goddess of lesbians Akemi Homura has come to bless us all in the name of Himemiya Chikane.
Can we all agree to boycott SHAFT Animation Studio and Magia Record for the anime sequel to this movie (a sequel to the anime series) I want to see what happens next!
If someone is touching homoru the time stop doesn't work on that person and Mami was touching her the entire time with the ribbon 🎀 hence everything else freezing around them then unfreezing
From the first time when she went back to this time when she stole Madoka`s power she tried to keep this sacred version of Madoka that never existed the version that is like what Homura was at first weak needing protection but Madoka never was and even at the end tho for seconds she remembered her decision and that no one must be before it including Homura no matter how many times she tries she will never erase the Madoka that she actually became friends with the first time,the kind strong Madoka that can take the burden of the universe. Homura just isn`t strong enough. She desperatley tries to reverse their roles from the first timeline but she too admited that Madoka will eventually remember and be her enemy in other words she can`t errase the real Madoka
You talk about how the early parts of the film seemed to take too long to get to the point. My impression is that they were following western film design beats, as you can pick out almost the exact timings for the first three turning points (look up The Five Key Turning Points of All Successful Movie Scripts), which is fairly rigidly adhered to in Hollywood filmmaking. However Rebellion accelerates for Turning Points 4 and 5 (and I'm not even sure I'd call them points 4 and 5, because they don't work the same way as standard western plot progression markers), with a much longer aftermath than normal. This is the part where things seemed to pull together and really nail the pacing. My thought is that there were two separate approaches to building the film, with different people in charge of the first half vs the second half. (There are two unit directors, and two chief animation directors.) And the person in charge of the first half was educated in Hollywood-style film school, while the second half was more anime-style. In particular, Japanese plot structure of stories differs significantly from Hollywood plot structure design. So yes, there were definite differences in how the movie played out in the first vs second half, and I think I can guess the reasons for those differences. And yes, I have issues with the standardized western style.
remember that the same logic for the powers of God Madoka apply to Devil Homura "the wish that she made+time travel" (I was waiting for this to happen in the show but it only happen in the movie) and Homura doesn't love Madoka she worships the IDEA of Madoka that is the reason she ignores Madoka wishes because in her mind Madoka isn't human she is a perfect being HER perfect being that needs protection of this corrupt world (Homura was always thinking about herself and never about Madoka)
rafresenden rafresenden. I think they meant to point out that this is just your interpretation of Homura’s character and that many, many other interpretations and theories contradict yours. Or maybe I‘m mistaken and that’s not what they meant at all. Sorry! 😅
Looking at episode 10, when saving Homura from Izabel, at least from my perspective, Madoka is framed as nothing short of an angel. Homura simply managed to (accidentally) convince Madoka that she truly _is_ divine, leading her to become _actually_ divine.
Alright, I'm just about to finish up watching your reaction here. I'm commenting this before I get to the discussion portion, so I may come back and say some more after watching that. But I have some things I really need to just vent. Because I rewatched the movie before watching your reaction here, and my thoughts on it have become more concretely...displeased. And I feel a salty compulsive need to somewhat counteract the Rebellion defense squad I see down here. Almost everything in this movie makes logical sense. All of the plot beats, the final twist included, it all makes logical sense. But I don't think they did a good job of making the final twist make emotional sense, of putting the viewer in Homura's head and making us understand why she's doing what she's doing when she does it, not even on rewatch. I think they prioritized shock factor over coherent storytelling, and that this was a bad call. I think they leaned way too hard into her acting "evil" way too quickly - she went all the way to acting cartoonishly bad obscenely fast. And yes, I get it, her soul gem was corrupted. It makes LOGICAL sense. But, contextually, the last time Homura was on-screen her emotional state and manner was completely different from how it is when she woke up and grabbed Madoka, so the zero-to-a-hundred tone shift in her demeanor is just incredibly jarring from a pacing and presentation standpoint. It shoves me away. And each second I come closer to getting back on track, Homura says or does something else that shoves me away again. The movie just keeps trying to shock, shock, shock me, even when I already know what's happening. It does not concern itself at all with connecting me to Homura's thoughts, unlike the entire rest of the movie beforehand. It just shuts me out, because it reeeeeally wants to keep rubbing salt in the wound that "haha Homura's not acting like you were expecting! What a surprise, right? Right? KEEP BEING SURPRISED!!!", without ever stopping to ask itself if its storytelling earned it. But, beyond that, there's a detail I noticed this time around that throws a wrench into that emotional core of Homura's arc even more. The idea we're supposed to buy, the emotional core of this twist, is that time is supposed to have passed between the end of the series and the start of this movie. Enough time, in fact, to have lead Homura to the state where she starts questioning if her memories of Madoka were even real, to begin doubting herself to that extent. Which, given how determined and resolute she is at the end of the series, is a humongous difference. What happens in that span of time is what transforms and corrupts her emotionally. Homura has an entire character arc within this span of time - from dutifully fighting in Madoka's memory, to crushing isolation and self-doubt. The longer this span of time is, the easier it is to buy this off-screen arc. Here's the problem. Everyone in this movie that's been dragged in from the physical world looks to be the same age they were as at the end of the show. Most notably Tatsuya, who looks and sounds the EXACT same. Since he's so young his aging would be especially noticeable. So, how much time could have possibly passed between the end of the series and the start of this movie? A couple of months? Half a year, max? A year, if we're really stretching? We're to buy that Homura almost completely lost her composure, began to doubt herself THAT much, over that short a span of time? After she was SO strong at the end of the series, so committed to Madoka's memory? It's just...kinda laughable. And kinda neuters the end of the original series emotionally, too. Like, now with Rebellion in mind, I'm forced to watch that series ending and think "yeah, she's keeps that determination for like 5 weeks and then completely loses it". I can possibly see it happening, but it really trivializes the core of her arc when that little amount of time is all that needed to pass before she entered her dark period. Especially when the movie doesn't bother to show us any of that process, doesn't much try to make us feel how she felt when she began to feel completely isolated and doubt her own memories. Maybe because if they did, it might lessen the shock value of that ending twist? And oh, they couldn't have that... I still like this movie. Damn it all, I do. But I think it's fundamentally flawed in its storytelling. I shouldn't have to constantly try to convince myself that the last twenty minutes makes sense, especially when logically, it does. The fact that I still have trouble with it anyways is a sign that the storytelling didn't do its job well enough for me, on the most important part of its plot.
If SHAFT Animation Studio would get to work on the anime sequel then I wouldn't have any issues with this movie! (Including the unnecessary gun fight between Homura and Mami).
Theres a pretty solid case to be made that the beginning half of the movie is meant to be a sort of dig at fanfic, or more generally the tendency of fans to want a perfect happy ending. The first half has everyone working together happily and stuff which both sort of Homura's dream, but also something the fandom tends to want. So the movie takes this sort of ideal that people want to see and then flips it on it's head. At the end it even gives us the happy ending where everyone is alive, but it gives it to us at a cost. It's in my opinion a much stronger ending than that of the original anime. While in the anime, Madoka's story is concluded, Homura is given a wishy-washy "the fight continues" thing as well as a complete invalidation of her wish. It's only natural that they resolve her wish.
@@LuffyTDS Nono, I didn't mean it like that. I love how you explain everything, but that's the thing, EVERYTHING. It was just a little opinion I had, I didn't have any bad intentions with it.
@@EveryMan-yz1ce Sorry, I don't actually *hate* Homura, I just think she's far from innocent and ppl need to know that. She's basically the villain of rebellion.
Madoka Magica is a show about two girls being so selfishly selfless that they keep refuting the other girls efforts to make them happy in an effort to make them happy instead.
Pretty much haha
Most convoluted love story I know of.
"I'm not sure if this is just a fun opening cinematic and I'm not supposed to take it seriously".
Trust me when I say everything, and I mean EVERYTHING in this movie is highly symbolic and nearly every single image in the beginning scene and every lyric of the song is very important. The song lyrics especially are very important. In fact, most of the movie's score is a leitmotif based on the song "Mada Dame Yo".
I could write a 30 page essay on this movie. There's so much information I want to dump about everything.
Totally agree with you. PMMM (and especially the Rebellion) deserves a lot of serious critical essays. This franchise reminds me of Christianity, a theory of Carol Gilligan, some German literature, several Western mythologies, and the like.
But most of all, why I love PMMM is because it treats those preteen girls really, really carefully and respectfully. Unlike lots of other Japanimations, PMMM keeps humanizing every single girl, despite one or two so-called "brutal" scene(s). They breathe, sob, struggle, determine and cherish HOPE for their own sake, not for us.
She actually gave Madoka everything she wanted. Madoka wanted to not feel like a burden. Madoka wanted Magical Girls to no longer become witches. Homura actually made sure both of their wishes were granted. She was strong enough to protect Madoka and Madoka got to save all Magical Girls, after all... taking a tiny bit of infinite hope Madoka spread around the universe still leaves an infinite about of hope Madoka spread around the universe lol.
Each time hse went back as it is stated in the anime she changed some elements that include Madoka she made her "weaker''but never managed to erasse the original Madoka that was stronger then Homura and could take the biggest burden .And even at the end she realised Madoka will remember some day and go against her. From day 1 Homura desperatly tried to keep Madoka in that weak needing protection state essentially switching their places because in the original timeline Homura was the weak one but in the end she never became stronger Madoka`swill to take all the burden for everyone is the opposite of Homura`s inability yo let Madoka one is selfish one selfless they exist to be polar opposites
And let me just say that the name Rebellion is the most perfect name to fit this movie and god do I love that.
One part of Homura's characterization that I think is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL but often get's ignored is that during Madoka's apotheosis, Homura was on the edge of witching. She was marinating in despair, so just like Sayaka did when she was grief spiraling into witching, Homura was interpreting everything in the worst possible way.
One final comment: I can't believe the first time I saw this it was well into the bus scene with Kyoko and Homura and I STILL didn't think anything at all about the bizarre backgrounds that had been appearing even outside the Nightmare fights. I just thought "Wow, they sure stylized everything for the movie!" =o)
honestly, i like the ending from the movie better. in the shows ending, homura wasnt really happy with how everything panned out. yeah, everyone else was happy and living in blissful ignorance but homura knew about madoka and the old universe and eventually that was going to break her. rebellion movie shows us exactly what was going to happen to her down the line. supposedly theres a sequel to rebellion comming out, but no time frame has been given. homura tells madoka "eventually you'll be my enemy" to madoka so yeah, a sequel is something i see comming.
This movie has so much replay value it helps realize why the movie took the pace it did
The post credit scene: Being Kyubey is suffering
The best Despair Dumpster one could wish for :P
Karma is real (in madoka at least)
Is at this moment that Kyubey realized they fucked up
Being meguca is suffering
One thing that I think is important to mention is that although Homura is calling herself evil, and a demon she isn't actually those things,
Because she opposed Madoka who is a source of pure good then to her that must mean that she is the opposite.
opposing god makes you a demon and against good must make you evil etc.
But really she is just a hurt girl trying to deal with her love. Feeling like she deserves to be punished for what she has done yet still cant let go of her feelings for Madoka who she loves more than anything.
The flower field scene is where she starts to think that Madoka made a mistake in her wish and that she was unhappy with the outcome and thus as part of Homura's original wish, to be able to protect Madoka, she had no other option than to "Save" her from her suffering as a concept.
But as we see at the end, Madoka speaks about how she treasures the world and how you shouldn't break the rules just because you feel like it.
Being exactly what Homura has just done, thus she feels like Madoka will eventually turn against her and become her enemy.
The scene after the credits I believe is showing that Kyubey is now harbouring all the curses, and much like a soul gem is becoming corrupted. we see this with the change in his eyes compared to how we see them all throughout the movie.
The half moon showing how things are broken and homura falling being part of her guilt.
There is so much to talk about and that you can say about the movie, and if we do get that next part that have been teased I do hope that they can give us a conclusion where everything is set right.
Yeah, what Homura did was selfish but, it was such an incredibly beautiful selfish act that I can't help but absolutely love her for it.
in the movie "OPENING" madoka and sayaka are shining with a aura while dancing.
Bebe was chosen because she was a fan favorite witch and also and the only other magical girl that lived in mitakihara at same time that our protagonist during the show.
What I understood was that Homora gave Madoka a normal life with her family and that the Law of cycle still exists, being the hope of magical girls. That's why she said she only took a piece of it. Maybe I'm wrong. Enjoyed your reaction.
The weird thing with Rebellion is that even if not everybody liked it, it still makes perfect sense. I mean, this is the only path Homura could've taken, she was clearly desperate in the end of the anime and wasn't happy with the destiny that Madoka chose, this was just inevitable. I really liked the anime final ep, because all the loneliness and sadness were wiped away by pure hope and selfless love. But that was too Disney for this girls, and Rebellion ending is more "real" in a way, because they could only feel happiness if they are forced to, like what Homura did.
Homura did nothing wrong.
Someone had to say it.
Facts
I was going to!
Yes, but I feel so bad for her, as she is clearly suffering.
TVA ending: The happiest SAD ending
Rebellion ending: The saddest HAPPY ending
@@yeongjinyu4578 So true
Just finished watching all of your Madoka reactions after just finding your channel randomly and now I want to know: how do you feel about Rebellion now that you've dwelled on it AND have a new movie coming out next year?
The fact that we're getting another movie makes me feel a lot better, but also on a rewatch I got what they were going for a bit more.
I love Rebellion ending. Everything make sense on why Homura act like what she did. All the hint was given throughout the anime episode and then the movie little talk with Madoka just made her resolve to not let Madoka handle all the burden and let her live as a normal human with her family and friends more intensify
I really wonder how the main series will end...but for now let's enjoy the spin off that will be coming out soon !!
Adding on a teensy bit to what everyone else has already said - a striking piece of information I don't quite recall where it was from about Homura was that she came from a catholic school.
Literally declaring herself the Devil to her beloved's sacredness couldn't have been a less subtle way of declaring how much she hates herself and knows what she's doing is wrong.
Going to a catholic school doesn't necessarily make her a believer however. We never heard her talk about her beliefs in the show and past timelines at all. She might have gone to one because of her parents, that might be all to it. But nice catch still.
After going back and watching movie again with your reaction here, I still like the movie more as I did first time watching it and my reasons are still the same for the ending and the evolution with Homura. Just really nice to see something end without it doing a cliche type of ending and having it making sense too.
Gonna post this obligatory bit here because I know someone else is gonna bring up this misconception at some point so I want to address it now and get it out of the way.
There's this idea I've seen posted many times by detractors of the movie that Urobuchi was FORCED by the greedy studio to re-write the ending against his will to allow for more sequels. This is not true.
It is true that he originally had the movie ending with Homura being taken away by Madoka, however he did not like this ending. He felt that Homura would not be satisfied with simply giving in and allowing herself to be taken away after she fought so hard to be Madoka's protector, and he struggled to figure out an ending that would be more fitting for Homura. After all, remember the way Homura worded her wish: "I want to redo my meeting with Madoka, but instead of her protecting me, I want to become strong enough to protect her". Well in the show, Homura never actually achieves her wish. In this movie though, Homura's wish is finally fulfilled, and she becomes powerful enough to protect the one person she cares for. If Homura had allowed herself to be taken by the Law of Cycles, she would have, once again, been allowing herself to be rescued by Madoka.
A quote from the Rebellion material book: (you can just google "Rebellion material book", it should be the first entry. Section: Message from Gen Urobuchi (Screenplay) )
[ "But I had a hard time deciding on the ending. Ending the story with Homura and Madoka being reunited wasn't really the best outcome. After all, the instant Homura encounters her, she'll be guided by the Law of Cycles, and disappear. Would that make her happy? It was also the director, Mr. Shinbo's opinion that the outcome of the TV series, "a human becoming a god" might be too heavy a fate for a girl in middle school to bear. Since that was the case, I decided to try to come up with a way to create a story in which Madoka could escape that outcome.
But I'd already ended this story once, so it was hard to figure out how to expand it. That was when Mr. Shinbo suggested, "How about a story with Homura confronting Madoka as an enemy?" I thought, if that's at all permissible, then I'd suddenly have all these options open to me, and that's how the current plot developed." ]
It is shown in the movie too, how being the godlike Law of Cycles causes Madoka to suffer, both in Madoka's lines in the flower field scene, and in the scene where Madoka reaches through the window to bring Homura back from being a witch, and her arm is covered in wounds. So yes, being of Law of Cycles causes Madoka pain, but it's a pain she is willing to endure. You know who is not willing to allow Madoka to endure pain? Homura.
Now, while I do overall like this ending, I will say my initial reaction was, I believe similar to yours. It just felt off at first, didn't sit quite right. But after a few re-watches, and some deeper digging, I came to like it much more, although I do feel there are some missteps. For example, I think Homura is a bit too over-acted (the creepy speech patterns, the "grinch smile") and I personally would have omitted or altered the line about being "evil" just because it seems to confuse people, and i find it a bit ham-fisted. My personal favorite interpretation of this line is that Homura is claiming the title of "evil" for herself because she feels it's what she deserves. IMO, it would make more sense for her to become the Concept of Despair, to reinforce the duality of hope/despair from the show since Madoka became the Concept of Hope.
Certainly, give it a few re-watches, and pay extra-special attention to everything Homura says, because the foreshadowing is all there regarding the final twist. I'd also recommend looking up the "Witch Runes", because they're actually readable (just a substitution cipher, mostly in German) and there are many subliminal messages throughout the movie. For example, during Homura's transformation scene in the beginning, the lines "to mistress; we're bored" and "I kill myself" flash on the screen.
In the end, I understand why they went the direction they did with Homura, and I love that the movie explores the consequences of Madoka's wish on Homura, and how it basically drove her insane. After all, with as many iterations of "reality" as Homura has been through, wouldn't the concept of "reality" begin to lose its meaning?
As for the spinoff anime, I don't have high hopes. I've checked out the game it's based on and read up on the story and it seems to me to completely miss the point of Madoka Magica. It's just typical cookie-cutter magical girl stuff with a Madoka aesthetic. But who knows, maybe I'm being too harsh, guess we'll see.
And finally there is supposed to be, last I checked, a 4th movie in development, though no news has come up regarding the movie in quite some time. If you're interested, try looking up the "Madoka Magica Concept Movie". It's a rough cut trailer/concept production for the 4th movie. While I love Rebellion, I can understand why many people feel it lacked closure and needs a followup, so I certainly wouldn't mind another movie. However, if they do go ahead with the movie, I think it should definitely end things. Too many great stories are ruined by continuing long after they should have ended, and I don't want to see Madoka end up with that same fate...
But yeah, hit me up with questions, I could honestly go on for hours about this movie and random trivia and bits of information, details, easter-eggs etc.
I would like to know some answers to these questions since they were not directly portrayed in the movie.
1. The Witch Dolls in black clothes. Are they symbolizing Homura's emotions? Is there any symbolism besides that? I believe there was a chameleon in Houmra's crown too. What's that
2. What exists in the new universe reality? Homura said she need Kyubey to eliminate the Wraiths and I saw a ring on Sayaka. Since Madoka is not God anymore. Does that mean, in this new reality, Magical Girls still doing their jobs but the Law of Cycles will not be able to guide them? Or will Homura's power play an important part in the system?
I love Rebellion ending but it did omit a lot of details which lead to a tiny conflict happening in my mind. I agree with your comment on how this movie really represents what Homura desires the most. Which is, in my opinion, what the show ending failed to achieve.
@@kenshirotoki9339 The "chameleon" is actually a newt/salamander, and is indeed a multi-layered symbol for Homura herself.
You can see it at many point in the movie, in more or less stylized fashion : In the opening song, when Homura reaches for Madoka's hand which turns into sand, it lays on the ground as a kind of trinket ; As a logo on the blimps that patrol the sky throughout the movie ; As the actual animal, which explodes in a pink goo, right as Homura turns into her witch form ; As a logo on her crown again ; And finally as a stylized earring trinket that holds her soul gem (whatever it is now).
Now as to why this represents Homura, I can see two aspects.
The real-life salamander is a small batracian, but it is also a mythical creature in folklore that is deeply tied to the element of fire (If you're familiar with the Warhammer 40k universe, or the classical high-Fantasy universes like DnD, that should ring a bell), and Homura's name actually has a meaning which can be translated as "flame" or "blaze".
The other thing that ties it to Homura is one of the two (main) themes of her witch form. The first one is the Nutcracker Witch, which should be obvious throughout the movie (her army of dolls, the mouth holding a walnut that appears in the sky after her fight with Mamy, all the teeth she's dropping on her walk to the guillotine, the way she breaks her soul gem after the big twist, etc...). The second theme, and the one which ties with the newt/salamander symbol, is the classical folklore wicked witch / crone from fairy tales, which is apparent in her physical witch form, with the pointy hat, plain black dress, crooked-tip shoes, etc ... as well as her sybol during the 'exorcism' of Hitomi's nightmare : the pumpkin (classical Halloween-like folklore). In that regard, the newt is a common ingredient for the various potions and filters that witches make.
@@kenshirotoki9339 Nuko outclasses me on the symbolism of the salamander, that part was one of my weaker points of understanding but Nuko graciously provided great explanations.
As for the first part of your question; yes the witch dolls (they're called "Clara Dolls", yet another reference to "The Nutcracker", which Rebelliion is chock-full of) are Homura's most powerful familiars and they do indeed symbolize Homura's emotions, mostly her self-hatred. To read for yourself, I'll again recommend looking up the Rebellion Material Book, section "Witches Artwork" and "Clara Dolls".
There are 14 - Haughtiness, Gloominess, Liiar, Heartlessness, Selfishness, Slander, Folly, Jealousy, Sloth, Vanity, Cowardice, Stupidity, Prejudice, Obstinacy. They are manifestations of Homura's darkest emotions and they follow her, whispering to each other and mocking her relentlessly, constantly reminding her of all her failures. The book does list a 15th Clara Doll, "Love" but says that this familiar is "yet to appear".
#2 My understanding of Homura's new universe. It is still Madoka's universe, but Homura generated a massive Labyrinth which covers most or all of it. Therefore, all of the rules from Madoka's universe still apply, just with some alterations. The Law of Cycles, still exists and witches can no longer be born, but now Homura is responsible for guiding their souls away instead of Madoka. As for their despair, rather than Madoka accumulating the despair of the universe, Homura forces the curses onto Kyubey/the Incubators. That's what she means when she says "you're going to stay and help". She forces them to experience the despair that they have been forcing onto Magical Girls without being able to experience or understand it themselves. That's what we see in the after-credits scene when Kyubey is beaten-up with black swirling clouds in his eyes, he is experiencing despair. I think that's another reason I ultimately prefer Rebellion's ending; the Incubators get their comeuppance for all the suffering they've caused (or were going to cause, depending on how you look at it).
But yes, we could use a few more details on exactly how this new system works, it's not all super clear. I would imagine that new Magical Girls will no longer be created, unless Homura can force the Incubators to create more, as I doubt the Incubators would willingly participate in this system. It's not like Madoka's remaking of the universe where history was retroactively altered. Homura hasn't changed anything in the past, she only introduced a "new principle" to an existing universe and altered everyone's memories.
@@rynbts Wow... you and Nuko really clear up all my confusion. I've never heard The Nutcracker at all in my life, will definitely look up the Material Book and the lore itself.
Thank you so much for elucidating little details like this.
@@kenshirotoki9339 Sure thing!
Yeah, Rebellion's story is in many ways, an amalgamation of two particular existing stories. The original Madoka Magica tv series is heavily inspired by and thought by many to be an adaptation of "Faust" -a tragic play written by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and first performed in 1829, look up those parallels too if you haven't already. Likewise, Rebellion is like some twisted lovechild of "The Nutcracker and the Mouse King" written by E. T. A. Hoffmann in 1816 (or "The Nutcracker" -a ballet adaptation from 1892) and "Paradise Lost" -an epic poem by John Milton, first published in 1667.
Yeah, maybe Homura shouldn't have told Kyubey about the way things used to be.
Couple of quick comments: Homura could still stop time while fighting with Mami and it was the ribbon which made Mami immune. A nice detail is if you watch when Mami goes to boil the water you can see her attach the ribbon on her way by because she's knows something is up.
Homura may or may not have lethally shot herself in the head, it's hard to tell. Either way, she knew she would be fine as long as her Soul Gem was intact. Mami didin't know this, however, so acted to save her which let Homura break the ribbon while she was distracted.
Overall, I LOVE Rebellion. It's great seeing all the characters again, especially working together and happy for a good chunk of it. I wish Kyoko had more to do or was more important to the plot, but that's just a nitpick and I have no suggestions on how they could do it.
I am also fine with the ending, but I am not fine with how they executed it. I think everything that occurred could have been done without giving Homura the creepy smile and weird speeches. I truly think it was something she could do purely to keep her promise to save Madoka without the change in personality.
Finally, with all that said, in my heart the story ends with the last episode of the show. I love watching it and it looks great, but, to me, Rebellion doesn't "really" happen.
Thanks again for the amazing reaction series!
I will be back if you do the spin off series next year! I thought I would hate it but I've grown to like the characters and story in the game. It makes me hopeful the show will be good too. I don't in any way expect it to be as good as Madoka, but you never know.
Incubators were gonna do their experiments with or without Homura's comment.
@@tzukishiro without Homura's comment, Incubators had no way of knowing about witches and who the Law of Cycle was previously
Homura took it upon herself to be the villain, so she played the part. Anything for her Madoka...
@@tzukishiro Homuras comments gave them an understanding of what was going on. I remember back before rebellion I predicted Urobutcher would use that against Homura. Even before there was a rebellion I was calling it that any sequel would involve the incubators running research like would be logical after hearing that.
If Homura didn't say anything then they would think it is weird but they wouldn't have any real concept of Madoka or that witches used to exist. Telling them what happened let them put it all together and realize there was energy to be gained which started the mess in the first place.
@@moalboris239 lol The first time I watched Rebellion, when Homura realizes Kyubey's plan, I thought the story would end in some sort of 'paradox', with incubators reaching its goal to bring witches back, giving birth to the universe we had already seen in the anime. I'm glad that actually didn't happen, so I kinda like the ending we've got. Anyway, I hope we get a sequel soon.
The only character I love more than Homura is HomuLucifer :)
And she did nothing wrong. I 100% approve of her actions. Homura is best girl.
"HomuLucifer"
not "Homucifer"
Damnit, you had ONE job ....
I completely agree with you, she granted everyone's dreams without the consequences too, she deserved better!
"Homura Akemi" means "Flame of Dawn." "Lucifer" means "Morning Star." "HomuLucifer" is _redundant!_
@@angeldude101 Never knew it was flame of dawn, just thought it was flame. Thanks!
@@angeldude101 After looking it up, it is just flame. would be cool if her name was foreshadowing the whole time though!
Wow, what a ride! Though it’s probably a good idea to take everything Homura says with a grain of salt; her judgement and mental stability aren't exactly in the best condition, shall we say. The self-hatred and constant suffering also isn't helping. Now, it’s been awhile since you watched the movie so I don’t know how much lore you have already looked into but just in case, have some fun facts! 😊
Homura's witch (Homulily) is called the Nutcracker Witch (inspired by the ballet "The Nutcracker" where a damaged nutcracker gets fixed and taken in by a girl whom he then protects from the rat king), hence the random walnut at the end of the battle between Mami and Homura. In her witch form you can also see that the upper half of Homulily's head has fallen off and her teeth are falling out. Without the teeth and upper jaw a nutcracker (obviously) can't crack nuts anymore and is thus useless, just like Homura couldn't save Madoka and feels useless because of it.
Homura's familiars (the ones who are occasionally seen throwing tomatoes). They are called Clara Dolls. There are 14 known ones and each represent a personality trait (they also make it quite clear how Homura sees herself): Ibari (Pride), Nekura (Pessimism), Usotsuki (Liar), Reiketsu (Coldheartedness), Wagamama (Selfishness), Warukuchi (Slander), Noroma (Blockheaded), Yakimochi (Jealousy), Namake (Lazyness), Mie (Vanity), Manuke (Stupid-Looking), Higami (Inferiority), and Ganko (Stubbornness). There's a 15th doll that has yet to arrive: Ai (Love).
Extra Fun Fact: The Clara Dolls are taunting Homura and throwing tomatoes at her. Read: Homura's subconscious is taunting her and throwing tomatoes at her. Obvious self-hatred is obvious. Also the fact that her familiars refer to her as "Good-for-Nothing".
In one of the spin-off mangas I think it's shown that the Incubators didn't just trap Homura's Soul Gem in that Isolation Field, but actively tortured her emotionally (and perhaps physically; not too sure about this) until she became a witch. Those d***s...
About Kyubey: A popular theory is that Homura basically stuffed the all despair that would usually manifest as Wraiths or Witches into Kyubey to let him process it directly. Another says that she infused him with emotion and he went insane from that. Or maybe both. Who knows.
EDIT: Forgot one Clara Doll - Okubyou (Cowardice). Sorry! 😅
And because I don’t have any hobbies, have some notes, interpretations and theories as well... 😅
The reason behind Homura’s decision to become a demon basically comes down to two scenes in the movie.
a) The flower field scene (just before Homura finds out that she is the witch). Madoka says something along the lines of "Leaving my family and friends behind would hurt me more than anything", which leads Homura to the conclusion that Madoka is suffering as the Law of Cycles. And I don't even think she is wrong about that! It's just like Junko (Madoka's mum) said in episode 6: Sometimes people get too caught up in trying to do what's right and take on more than they can handle. That's why it might be necessary to make a mistake for them to snap them out of it. However, Homura misunderstands Madoka in the way that, even though being separated from everyone hurts her, she doesn't regret her wish. Just like Homura, even though she suffers during the time loops, doesn't regret her wish to save Madoka.
b) The conversation between Homura and the Incubator. Despite the Incubator's initial failure to capture Madoka, Homura knows that they won't give up. They'll simply repeat their experiment on other Magical Girls and improve their tactics until they manage to catch her. After everything they've been through, Homura realizes that not only does Madoka still suffer but she's still in danger from the Incubators as well. I think at this point she is just so hopeless and tired of everything that she decides to throw out whatever meager self-esteem she still has and do whatever is necessary to protect Madoka, even if it makes everyone else see her as evil.
I personally don't think that what she did was right but I do think it was necessary. The alternative would have been Homura doing nothing even though she knew about the Incubator's plan. If she had the knowledge of what was going to happen (Madoka being caught and the witch system reinstalled) and had the means to prevent it but instead chose to stand-by and do nothing, then that would have made her just as guilty.
Remember seeing a "witch's kiss" for the first time in episode 2, where a woman was compelled to jump from a building but Mami saved her with her ribbons? The woman had taken her shoes off before jumping because apparently that's what you do in Japan just before committing suicide. The reason I specifically pointed out this scene is that the "shoe symbolism" shows very clearly how Homura feels behind her facade. During her little confrontation with Sayaka at the end, there's a short scene in which her familiars (manifestations of her own subconscious!) jump off a cliff with shoes strewn all over the place. Another one shows black feathers falling into a purple river and turning into shoes beneath the surface. All that (and the after credit scene where Homura lets herself fall off the hill) leads me to conclude that she's so miserable she literally wishes to die.
My personal theory on this whole thing is that this is basically the universe's backlash to Madoka's wish. The hope that Madoka's wish created was never balanced out since she destroyed her own witch. Some other entity had to take this role as Madoka's opposite and it just happened to be Homura. However, note that balance has not yet been re-established; think about it like tipping a scale to one side and letting go of it: Instead of returning to its balanced state immediately, the scale will first swing to the opposite side (here: Homura's universe) and then slowly regain its original position. The following comments will elaborate a bit on that...
a) Did the universe plan for Homura to become the devil?
Perhaps. This one is a bit farfetched but it's not impossible. So, in episode 12 Madoka and Homura have their little goodbye in the God realm (or where ever that was). What I've always wondered is: How did Homura get there? Madoka didn't bring her, she says "You managed to follow me all the way here". And Homura herself had 1) no idea where Madoka even was and was 2) seriously depressed and crying her eyes out. She wasn't trying to go anywhere. Even if she did, we know this universe is not prone to grant you a real miracle just because you really, really want something. If Homura's will alone could have surpassed the universe's laws, she would have saved Madoka ages ago. Is it possible then, that the universe brought her there on purpose as part of its readjustment? For that matter, how did Homura keep her memories of Madoka in the new world? Again, it was not directly Madoka's doing, she only gives Homura her ribbons as a memory aid. (Madoka: "Even though you're going back to your world... You never know! Maybe you'll still remember me [...]. Everything is going to be fine. Just believe it will. We're Magical Girls, remember? We make hopes and dreams come true. [...] There is no doubt miracles can really happen.") She is relying on her belief that things will turn out alright from there on out and that Homura will be granted a true miracle (remembering Madoka). But, again, we all know that true miracles aren't really a thing in the PMMM universe. So, did the universe allow Homura to keep her memories, starting a chain reaction that would eventually make her the devil to compensate for Madoka's goddess status? After all, it was only due to Homura's memories that she was chosen as bait for Kyubey's trap. And it was because only she could remember, that she grew desperate enough to tell Kyubey about the old order in the first place. Those memories have without doubt also contributed to her emotional deterioration (as she says in Rebellion, she felt as if she was going insane because nobody else knew what she was talking about), thus clouding her judgment even further.
As I said, this part of the theory is a bit farfetched but I think it makes sense.
b) Could Madoka's or Homura's universe even survive?
If my hypothesis is correct then both Madoka's and Homura's world are out of balance (one is tipped to the "light side" and one to the "dark side"; not taking light and dark as synonyms for good and evil here, btw. Those terms are purely for illustration purposes). And there would probably be some consequences to that, like the world itself becoming unstable. Unfortunately, we don't get to see much of either world so all I can really do at this point is guess. In episode 12 as well as the end of Rebellion we see Homura (and, in Rebellion, the other girls as well) on some sort of desolate plain with weird metal constructs protruding from the dust. This could just be a random desert, of course (though I do wonder where Homura's "grave" came from); it could also be some post apocalyptic landscape. We know that not all that much time has passed between episode 12 and Rebellion because towards the movie's end (when they break out of Homura's labyrinth) we see the real people (including Hitomi, Kyosuke and Madoka's family) that were trapped in the false city gently being lowered to the ground by some familiars. I can excuse the Magical Girls not aging, but these are regular humans and they don't look a day older then in episode 12. This could (COULD!) imply that the out-of-balance universe is deteriorating, and fast. Homura's universe is more clearly unstable. Even though she suppresses Madoka's powers, the hallway scene shows that the Law of Cyles could return at any moment if Homura isn't careful. Homura herself acknowledges that she will be Madoka's enemy eventually, implying that she'll inevitably lose control over the goddess. Additionally, in the final scene of Rebellion (with Homura overlooking the city from a hill at night) she seems almost tired/exhausted, meaning that she alone won't be able to bear this huge task of managing the whole universe forever. It's already wearing her down.
c) Are Madoka and Homura the Yin and Yang of this series?
I think so. I mean, with all that symbolism? Goddess/Demoness, white color scheme/black color scheme, serene innocence/eldritch power, optimism/realism,... The list goes on. Madoka will always do what she thinks is right, while Homura will always do what she thinks is necessary. Madoka provides kindness and hope for the future, while Homura deals with the... ugly... practicalities of the present. Episode twelve gives us a good ending that isn't completely good, while Rebellion gives us a bad ending that isn't completely bad.
(Also, fun fact: Have you noticed at the end of Rebellion where Homura shows Madoka around the school, there is a scene in which you only see their feet/shins as they are walking next to each other. Homura wears black, Madoka wears white. I know it's a super small thing but every time I see it, I can't help but think that it represents the roles they now have...)
The way I see it, both Madoka and Homura have to exist as deities in opposing roles, balancing out both each other and the universe itself. That way you'll get a stable system and even though it's not a full on good ending, it's exactly what I would expect from Madoka Magica. Madoka would be able to fulfill her wish and keep witches from coming into existence. Homura would be able to fulfill her wish to be in a position where she can protect Madoka and carry the burden of the universe with her.
If you want read some theories with a different perspective on this movie‘s events, Madoka‘s and Homura’s character and the overall theme of the anime as compared to the movie, I would recommend Asehpe‘s theory. It is quite insightful and incorporates important themes from both the series and Rebellion. Assuming they are going to post it here. 😅
@@ironmoondarkwing4190i personally don't like the interpretation about universe having any form of which or plan.
throw off all about madoka having surpassed the the karmic bounds of the universe and becoming an entity above the universe
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That’s why it’s just an interpretation. And everyone can have their very own. 😊
Honestly the Clara Dolls are so cool. Also they're overpowered as heck. Remember how Walpurgisnacht had those super powerful familiars? Well the Clara Dolls are like those but even more powerful. In the guide it states that "their power is a match for that of a magical girl". You can see one of them fighting Sayaka and it actually kicks is a match for Sayaka's power. And note that this Sayaka has been powered up by the Law of Cycles. Basically, not only does Homura have normal familiars, she also has an additional 14 super familiars each aour as powerful as an entire witch.
Hey cool fact, the Clara Dolls are each as powerful as a magical girl. You could see one of them (Ibara maybe?) fighting against Law of Cycles empowered Sayaka and holding her own. Very scary.
I always tought that now that Homucifer made the Incubators her subordinates, being vessels for despair, the last scene represents that they may be starting to feel said despair, representing in the close up of Kybey's pupil at the end, so if we ever get a continuation of the story (seriously frikin' when?), I think the whole thing will revolve around them now having a way to relate to humans feelings.
they deserve it honestly. they offer the deal when most of the girls hit rock bottom and blaming them for not asking about the consequences. even though it clearly stated that teenage girl emotion are unstable. so, of course they would accept the offer right away (although, not everyone did). IMO what Homura put them through is still not comparable to the countless life they already destroy.
According to Nagisa’s (Bebe’s) backstory she wished for a cheesecake and despaired and turned into her witch form Charlotte after she learned the cake was for her sick mother, that died shortly afterwards. Charlotte is also the same witch that decapitated Mami so technically Mami protected her own murderer. Wouldn’t that be a fun conversation over tea and cake?
Yes and no. In the REAL timeline, Mami's fate was to die while fighting Walpurgisnacht. That Charlotte ended up killing her was one of the many different ways she died. If Kyouko ever stood up for Mami, one also couldn't say, Kyouko protected her murderer, since Mami once actually killed her in desperation.
one timeline, Mami can defeat Charlotte alone if no Madoka and Sayaka, and yes, Mami fucked up because she showoff, and it is also canon Mami said that charlotte is serious thread because deceive her it is (layered body i assume she mean)
I didn't like Rebellion at first. But after a couple viewings and much consideration, and reviewing the show with knowledge, I think it is a great movie.
It is hard to judge Homura's actions without knowing what really is going on in the new world she created. She says she only broke small part of the law of the cycle, does that mean it still works somewhat and still prevents magical girls from becoming witches? Are there even magical girls there in the first place? Did she really rebuild a new universe like Madoka did or did she "just" create a universe-wide witch's labyrinth on top of it, like the visuals seem to imply?
Bottom line, we have no idea what the situation is, if she just managed to take Madoka off of the law of the cycle and recreate a peaceful world without fucking everything up in the process there is no reason for her to call herself evil.
Or, well, since she royally fucked up the Incubators i guess she also condemned the universe to eventually die to entropy in a few trillion years.
I mean, it's very obvious, and we DO know.
Everything is going just as normal, except now Madoka gets to live a normal life.
There are wraiths, as she said, so there must be magical girls of some sort, and there is still a law of the cycle working as well
@@tzukishiro But wraiths are not directly tied to magical girls like witches were, witches can't exist without magical girls for obvious reasons but the same is not necessarily true for wraiths since they clearly form in a totally different way. In the world rewritten by Madoka magical girls exist because wraiths exist and they are still a decent way to gather energy for incubators, magical girls do not create them, meaning wraiths can very well exist with no magical girls.
If magical girls are not a thing, the law of the cycle being broken or not doesn't really matter.
Also, the fact that Homura herself entertains the idea of just killing off all the wraiths is highly abnormal and can have unforseen consequences. It is not supposed to be possible to just wipe out all wraiths, normally they continously spawn as long as humanity has dark emotions, meaning as long as humanity exists, but it makes sense if the wraiths currently existing are just leftovers from the old world and no new ones are born because all the curses and negative energy from humans are forced into the incubators before they can condense into wraiths. It is possible given the last scene of the movie, but it is absolutely not the normal state of things.
If instead magical girls still exist, what happens to them once all the wraiths are gone? I supposed they will be condemed to succumb to the corruption with no way to purify their soul gems.
And what will happen to Incubators? Will they eventually turn into monsters themselves and try to destroy everything? Will they reach critical mass and just die releasing all the negative energy they accumulated at once? If they stopped creating magical girls (because Homura is forcing curses on them, and they seem not even able to move anymore. Also there are no more wraiths to get energy from to begin with) and all the previous magical girls are all dead because there are no wraiths left to purify themselves, who will fight if the incubators eventually turn into monsters or realease all their corruption at once?
The fact that Bebe and Sayaka are alive in the new world to begin with suggests that possibly at least one of these is true:
1 - Magical girls don't exist, they never became magical girls so they never ended up corrupted and never got taken by the law of the cycle. But this should be impossible because Sayaka still has her witch form.
2 - They did become magical girls but the law of the cycle now works in a very different way and does not kill them when they are currupted. What does it do then? Is it worse or better than before? If it is better why didn't Madoka just do that instead of taking magical girls away?
3 - What Homura did to the universe is VERY different from what Madoka did, she did not just rebuild the universe with a few modified rules or laws an then let history play itself, she created a world more similar to a witch's labyrinth without actually affecting past events or rewriting history but just pulling pre-existing people and entities into it, so current laws and conditions don't really apply to past events. Meaning having wraiths and eventually magical girls as leftovers from the old world is also possible even if no new ones can be created.
Point 3 is the most likely since Sayaka not only is alive but also remembers the other world initially, which would not be possible if the universe got reset and restarted. It is also the scenario that can more easily go wrong since eventually the exact same thing that happened in the world inside Homura's soul gem could happen to this new world, it could just crumble and burn. What would happen to the world if somehow Homura dies or gets incapacitated? She doesn't seem to be as incorporeal and unpercievable as Madoka was and she clearly made herself an enemy of the Incubators. What if they manage to ger rid of her eventually? Will her world just stand on its own or will it crumble without her supporting it with her power?
The very fact that Sayaka still has witch powers also poses a lot of questions, and nothing is normal about that. Does that mean that all the magical girls saved by the law of the cycle are now in this new world as half-witches? Or is it just Sayaka and Bebe because they are the only ones Homura knew about? Is it just the new effect of the law of the cycle? Either way having people go around with witch powers is not normal at all and can have highly unpredictable consequences, even if they don't remember they have that power.
Entities similar to witches' minions are everywhere in this world and once again, there is absolutely nothing normal about that.
Assuming everything is going just fine and the world created by Homura is a good solution is premature, we have seen only a few minutes of it and there are a million different possibilities still in play. Let me be clear, i'm with her all the way, her motivations were not evil at all and there is nothing wrong in pulling Madoka out of the law of the cycle to have her live a normal happy life in a new world of her creation.
But did she really manage to create a safe, peaceful world that will be working properly in the long run? Did she really consider all the possible outcomes? Could she forsee all the possible consequences of her actions? I'm not sure about that, it is very different from the real world and we've seen only a very small slice of it.
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Lol woops I was going to write a short comment but every time I write about this movie to describe the ending to people I always go overboard because I care so much about this anime.
A lot of people don't like the ending but that's because they don't truly think about the characters and what happened.
The entire point of the anime itself was that Homura, the main character, was a sick girl who was almost killed by a supernatural entity, a witch, and was saved by Madoka. Her first true friend, her savior. She never had friends because she was always sick, so she had very strong friendship feelings for Madoka. And then seeing madoka having to suffer is what brought upon her own journey to fix it all, because the evil that existed was that entire system or becoming magical girls, defeating witches, becoming a witch, etc (endless suffering for young innocent girls). Madoka tried fixing it but all she did with her god wish was to give a peaceful death to magical girls, nothing else. If magical girls were about to turn into witches they instead poofed away because they were collected by Madoka. So the suffering continued, fighting continued, and to top it all off Madoka was forgotten by everyone and Madoka's normal peaceful school girl was ruined forever. Homura's entire point of becoming a magical girl was spit on, that entire emotional stuff of Homura fighting for Madoka, and even having to put Madoka out of her misery the one time, it's all for nothing because all the madoka god wish ending did was give peace for fallen magical girls, so it didnt eradicate the evil system it merely changed it a bit. For Madoka that was fine but thats thinking about the big picture, but Homura's entire point and plan was that she wanted to give back a normal peaceful life to Madoka, so they can be friends like normal girls and not have to be torn apart by this fucked up system Kyuubey literally forced them into. So the end of rebellion seems weird but its technically a good ending.
Think about it, at the end of the anime Madoka was only able to change the universe because of her stacked up fates combining into one big karma wish we got granted, and thats it, it was GRANTED to her, given so to say. But when Homura changed the universe she did it EXCLUSIVELY out of absolute sheer own will power. Her feelings of friendship and love for Madoka were so strong, and her hate towards this honestly fucked up system, that she changed the actual entirety of the actual universe into what she wanted. Not listening to any dumb fuck systems anymore, because clearly it only brought suffering, no it was enough, Homura was like "fuck this dumb shit, ive had enough". And at the end she mostly plays a character, and partly she's a bit broken after the whole witch ordeal, but she plays this character because she was the one being evil by not following the rules, because the rules fucking sucked. This whole concept is supposed to be a play on the story of god and lucifer, and how lucifer was evil because he loved god too much. Anyway madoka follows rules, which makes her good, but those rules still cause suffering, and Homura is evil purely because she broke the rules because she wanted something, and what she wanted is for them all to stop suffering and finally have a good peaceful fun life. So at the end she HAS to force everyone into what they should be, peaceful highschool girls that can enjoy life. Sayaka is being a bitch by trying to start drama again (like she did in season 1) by going "this isnt right, you cant just force stuff! Forcing stuff is bad!", not understanding that forcing a bad system down is a good thing if it ends suffering for innocent people.
Sayaka has always caused drama and gotten REALLY in the way of Homura, which pisses off Homura understandibly, so thats why when we see devil homura talk to sayaka she decides to play the role of the devil, and to give a half acted villain speech to Sayaka because Sayaka is once again trying to get into the way and she's fucking tired of it. Madoka almost snaps out of it and turns god mode again but thats not good, because then everything would revert back to the old system where innocent magical girls were still fighting and suffering.
To make it simple, Homura is considered "evil" in the universe of the show because she has to use force over others to get her way, even though her way is the good optimal way. She is also considered evil because her motives were mainly coming from self centered feelings, so kinda jealously in a backwards way, so like what Lucifer did.
BUT to get to my main point here: the ending is a good ending, because homura forced a good life for everyone out of pure frustration for the dumb fuck they had to suffer through. She enabled the lonely Mami to finally live with Bebe, something that would have been impossible, so she made Mami and Bebe's life perfect. She enabled Kyoko and Sayaka to be friends and live a peaceful life, with possible romance. She allows Kyosuke and Hitomi to hook up, it leaves a bitter taste in Sayaka's mouth but she's finding new love in Kyoko so its all good. And Madoka gets to live a peaceful life with her family and friends without being dragged into fights. The only bad thing about the ending is that Homura did all this so she can be friends with Homura again, but because she's been traumatized from all the things she's experienced and because she's been mentally hurt so much she's having difficulty being her old innocent self, so trying to be friends with madoka naturally again is too difficult for her, which is why she tries to bring across some nice words to Madoka. And the whole thing with "i might become your enemy" is because she'll do anything to protect madoka's happy peaceful life, for Madoka's sake, not for her own sake, and Madoka being god again ruins Madoka's happy life. Homura was straight up ready to sacrifice her own life and soul in order to protect Madoka from the incubators, so by that point she was already content with Madoka living on without herself being able to join. So the ending she TRIED forcing a good life for everyone, but Madoka ultimately might ruin the true intended happy life of Homura, so homura realizes and decides there on the spot "alright, if i cant be your friend anymore like I always truly wanted then at least ill be happy that you get to live your happy live with your friends and family and I will fight for this, for your sake". Homura's actual dialogue was "Then I suppose someday, you will become my enemy as well. But I don't care. Because even then, I will continue to wish for a world in which you will be happy."
So essentially everyone has a truly absolutely happy life at the end, and whether or not Homura can be friends with Madoka again is completely open. Maybe they can become friends again, maybe not, but we wont know, but for now everyone has a happy life and Homura is bittersweet happy because at least she got most of her wish through sheer force, AND she got to fucking rub it into the incubators faces by punishing them to endless suffering.
So it really is a happy ending. The true actual main character got revenge on the villains, and was able to restore actual peace, while sacrificing her own happiness a bit.
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Oh another quick note:
Bebe was the actual little girl who once was a magical girl, became a witch, decapitated Mami, and then was destroyed by Homura. So Homura bringing her back to life to live a happy regular life of a little girl that goes to school is the ultimate salvation for Bebe. You might think there wasn't much payoff for Bebe since she was this whole new character but there was, it's just not as obvious at first. In the regular anime season (i think ep 3) we see Bebe's witch world, and all it had was candy, sweets, and medicine laying around. There was signs hinting at cheese but it was nowhere to be found. The theory fans have is that Bebe was a sick little girl in the hospital, and that Kyuubey granted her the wish to become healthy, but she was so little and so innocent that she couldn't fight witches correctly, so her soul gem corrupted over time and thats how she turned into a witch. And she reeeeally loves cheese, not sure why but thats what the author decided, anyway her witch world has cheese nowhere, but instead sweets (which is sweet and not savory), and medicine (which references the suffering times she spent in hospitals), so her witch world is designed to mock, haunt, and torture her emotionally. And at the end of the movie we see her buying a bunch of cheese together with Mami. So she got an absolute 100% good happy ending.
And another thing, at the end of episode 12 we see Homura fight the wraiths, and she spreads these magical energy wings that have witch aesthetics inside, she was already slowly turning into a witch there because she kept fighting so hard for Madoka's sake like a terminator that her soul gem was corrupting, which the incubators did on purpose (the incubators forced more wraiths onto everything). And the only reason this was happening to Homura was because she and her soul gem originated from the original universe that had witches, so the incubator's only chance to use this system to their advantage. At the end of ep 12 you see her in the middle of a wasteland, and that's where her body was laying in the movie when she woke up, so it does connect perfectly.
OH and another cool note. This is actual official information from the producer of Madoka that can't be found anywhere and usually the only way you hear this info is via people's guesses. I was at a convention and got to ask the producer this myself and afterwards this wasn't posted anywhere as far as I know.
Question: Why does Homura have the bow at the end of the anime season and no more time manipulating shield? Because this is the first time she is given an ACTUAL magical weapon of any kind.
Answer: She had the time manipulation shield because it was directly intertwined with her original wish, which was to see Madoka again, but after seeing Madoka for a last time and since she couldn't go back into the old universe via time traveling she now received a bow, in honor of Madoka and because now she was looking FORWARD towards a goal instead of looking back in time to an old moment. Her shield and bow both were based on her current objectives. (The bow shooting an arrow as representation for going forward is something obvious that I don't need to explain)
But yeah the more often times you watch the movie the more you understand and appreciate it. It's literally the same reactions for everyone that I've ever talked to. Initial reaction "wtf this ending stupid", then a good bit later after watching it more times and understanding it "i guess it wasnt that bad after all". Or the third option, close minded people "its still a retarded ending, nothing got better".
PS: Homura did nothing wrong.
Homucifer did nothing wrong.
The sequel to "Rebellion." The beginning of a new chapter. Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie -Walpurgisnacht: Rising- by Akiyuki Shimbou x Gen Urobuchi (Nitroplus) x aokiume x SHAFT is coming soon.
still waiting for the sequel (this feels like a "to be continue..." ending) but Urobochi is busy with the puppet anime (the puppet show is good go watch it)
How about boycotting SHAFT Animation Studio for the anime sequel to be made with me?
Your prayers have been heard.
Not so fun fact I think it was said in a interview somewhere but Homura went back in time to 100+ trying to save Madoka and failed every time
New madoka magica movie just got announced. It's a sequel to rebellion
If it reassures you any, earlier this year one of the people at Shaft confirmed a proper sequel is in pre-production, not related to the already forthcoming spinoff.
It has been this long in the works already? Then it gotta be a fantastic movie.
Where the hell did Homura even get these guns from, did she raid Murica perhaps?
She raided the Yakuzas
She raided the Yakuzas and a JSDF base.
Ahhh yes I love hearing the music too
Loved your review/thoughts on the movie, as the movie overall has been divisible with watchers and fans, especially regarding the ending. I am in the camp similar to you where I do think the original ending felt alot better, as it more or less made it so a sequel wasn't necessary, however I do think this ending is better if they actually make a sequel (either in another TV series or another film) since it opens up alot more possibilities to create a new plot. Of course, currently there is no sequel other than a short concept film that was released in 2015 on ideas for the next mainline Madoka project, so currently the Rebellion ending feels way worse than the TV series ending.
I also agree with your opinion on the pacing of the film being a bit slow. While I love the film, I do agree that it isn't quite as rewatchable as the original series, mainly due to the first hour just setting up the first plot twist. I believe that probably all the exposition that explains stuff regarding the TV series probably could have been removed, as well as the beginning recreation of the start of Madoka Magica. However, there are a few interesting things in the background or references to other Madoka media that does make rewatching still fairly enjoyable; one example is at around 1:22:10 or so where the scene with Homura imagining sitting next to Madoka on white chairs in a green grass field is a scene similar to the movie OP of the Madoka Magica remakes.
On a related note, if you are thinking of looking at other material in the Madoka franchise, there are a few mangas, some canon and alot of non-canon/spinoff ones that I think are worth checking out. There's The Different Story manga, which I think is the best canon (possibly anyway, it can take place in one of Homura's time loops) additional manga as it explores character relationships that weren't really fleshed out in the animes. The Majuu-hen/Wraith Arc manga is also a canonical manga that helps explain what happened between the TV series and Rebellion, though I do think its kind of forgettable and you can skip. The Madoka Magica manga adaptation might be interesting to also read since you planned to rewatch the original series; overall its not as great as the anime due to not having the Shaft production animation, but it was written concurrently with the TV anime, so while the overall plot is similar, there are ALOT of differences between the two versions, making it pretty interesting to look at.
The best non-canon/spinoff manga for Madoka is definitely Homura Tamura, a gag comedy manga that probably isn't canon that explores Homuras adventures visiting various time loops with their own rules; while completely pointless, I did find it really funny and by far the most memorable of the Madoka mangas.
Homura Realise that even she witches she can control her emotion and will, with that concept she have the plan to swallow Madoka and universe in a huge witch labirint, and fabricate utopia but in a larger scale. she states that she was immune to despair because pain itself is dear to her.
Please react to Madoka concept movie trailer
Next movie is coming, I hope you will react to it.
There was a series of videos about Rebellion called "Defending and Analyzing Madoka Magica Rebellion" that really put everything into place so well for me. Unfortunately, the person who made it has privated them so you can't watch it, so you can't really get that. The puella-magi wiki has some of the information, but not all of it. There's another video called "Homura Was Never a Good Person" and that covers a lot of the basic points about Homura's character without the wider dissection of the themes and imagery in the movie.
But fuck me, I could go into endless detail about this movie. I highly recommend you rewatch it a few times.
Otherwise, I suggest that you watch the video on youtube "Meguca". It's the most important piece of Madoka Magica fanwork and the entire "fandom" is basically based around it.
That series analyzing Rebellion was such an amazing analysis, I hope the creator isn't gone for good :(
I'd love to see those videos again if for no other reason than to at least document the analysis and reference as it as a source material. Real shame the creator hid them away, it was easily the most comprehensive analysis of the movie I've seen to date.
I can’t see the screen for the shows you react and it bothers me a little bit
Yes, copyright laws are a thing. You have to pull up your own copy of the show. It's not hard.
@@LuffyTDS I don’t have the apps to watch the show
Got stuff to do, vacations plans to make, work to call but I’m sitting here bc I been waiting to marathon this bitch! Keep on bro! 🍺💪🏻😍
Haha thanks!
Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record has 2 official 1080p trailers on TH-cam, can you react them too? These series will start on January
Magia Record starts on January 4th!
@@willpina Fixed it, thnx
Bebe is the witch that kill (or should I say eat the head of) Mami
Yes, we all know
yea, I told to Luffy
Let me get some things I don't want to forget out of the way first.
Yes, I actually agree that the mystery is kept for way too long, but not even that, I think the movie is in general just a bit too long and long winded, I definitely feel like it could've been cut down a little bit, and maybe streamlined it so it doesn't become "well I still have no idea what's happening" an entire hour into it, but I see what they were going for, it's a minor not-even-really-a-complaint.
Bebe! Let's talk about Bebe, that is my biggest disappointment from this movie actually.
She was... kind of extremely minor, and for you that was a disappointment because she was this entire new, interesting and intriguing character, but.... imagine, imagine if you were waiting for this moment EVER SINCE EPISODE 3?!
Yes, Bebe, Nagisa Momoe, Charlotte the witch, that thing that chomped Mami's head off in episode 3, we have been speculating about who she was, what happened to her, what her wish was, etc. etc.
Ever since episode 3 came out, it's been a huge point of theory crafting and mystery and people went ham on it, and the side material about her character, her backstory, all the sweets and cheese and everything was released almost near that time or not long after.
So we knew practically everything there was to know about Nagisa/Charlotte at the time the show was going because of side material, what happened to her, her entire tragedy, everything.
And can you imagine how hyped it was to finally see that about her in the movie, a character wrapped in so much love, speculation and interest and obsession to end... pretty much the most minor thing to throw in a few fanservice bones to the fans with a couple of lines and literally nothing about what was teased for all these years, nothing at all?!!!
God this is by far my biggest gripe and I'm sure this comes off as madman talk to anyone who wasn't watching madoka as it was airing and wasn't part of all the craze, discussions, theories etc. during that time but man.
That's just disappointing. Talk about expecting payoff, jesus christ.
Also highly recommend to read up on her files and side material and etc., she's a really fascinating character, who was so much so more fascinating at the point where madoka only had 3 episodes and we had to scrap together everything about her and it helped us peer deeper into the show's mystery before it was even finished.
Now, about the movie itself, the ending and Homura's character... I actually loved it.
This may have come off as negative but I love this movie, and it took me ages to watch it because I thought the show was perfect and I didn't want anything else.
But i think this character arc for Homura makes absolute perfect sense, all the themes, all the feeling, everything just ties in so neatly for me, it just makes perfect sense that she would do this, her entire obsession with madoka, going time and time and time again through the loops of despair for madoka, inflicting all this karmic burden on her and ultimately being quite selfish. So her ultimate fate is something I think is beautiful, tragic and poetic and that is what love is. and just everything I wanted. Of course we can talk about the logic, themes, what it all means going further, the philosophy for ages, but I can't believe I made this turn. From thinking the show was perfect and being antagonistic towards this movie even existing to coming to love this way more.
And this is an extremely divisive movie, before you watched it you brought up a few times how people mostly liked it but that was not even closely true, this movie split people in 2 different camps.
Of course I'd never bring it up because you knew nothing of the movie and I wouldn't want to give any prior knowledge and I'm glad that last twist came out of nowhere.
That's uhh my quick 4 hours of sleep and no coffee thoughts.
I'd like to talk more about whatever anyone wants to talk from this movie, but I don't know where to start, so I'll leave that to someone else to start, I'm here for it.
But for now I can't really put my scrambled thoughts together for any specific point, so yeah, someone do that for me.
Of course on the visual standpoint this was an absolute marvel, I loved everything, just that whole cake song scene, that was just something unbelievably fun and all the later parts, I can talk about every frame from all 1/3, 2/3, and 3/3rds of this movie and it will take an eternity and I don't think I need, you saw it, I saw it, we saw it, whoever didn't just go and see it and that's all you need, it wasn't something one can put into words, it's an experience to see it unfold.
Um, of course, great video as always, it was a ton of fun.
Can't wait for whatever more, time for a uhh coffee.
cheerio.
I only watched this show last year, so I did not have the experience of doing all the theory crafting and such while it aired and I gotta admit, yeah that sounds like it sucks. Having several years worth of fan speculation end up with basically just a cameo? Yeah that hurts.
I was fortunate enough to go into this movie with very few expectations, so there wasn't much for me to be disappointed by. In fact, it may just be the opposite, I had one person tell me that the ending was "soul-crushing" so I was expecting like, the worst stuff imaginable. You know like, "everyone dies, the incubators win, and Madoka is forced to strangle a kitten with her bare hands" levels of completely screwed. So compared to that my initial reaction to the movie was more like, wow, that wasn't even close to as bad as I thought it was going to be.
But I can definitely see how someone who had followed the show since it first aired may feel cheated by some decisions in this movie. Context and expectations often make a heck of a difference.
1:53:03 Oh shit, hello Iroha...? How many years now and they still got me again... @_@
I have watched Rebellion once and I should watch it again, but I have to say that the series could have ended there were it did. It was quite good movie, but maybe rewatching would give me some more thoughts. But show didn't need a movie, that's what I'm saying I quess.
It may sound kind of strange but since so many aspects of this ending are open to interpretation how much I like this ending compared to the original strongly depends on which interpretation you go with. (For instance I don't think Homura is really Evil, she just has a lot of self-hatred especially after what she's done so she sees herself that way). I'm always a bit scared an eventual 4th movie will end up going with an interpretation I don't like as much.
I'm happy they didn't end it with Madokami taking Homura away though. A character lying down and dying and this being their "happy ending" wouldn't have really worked for me I think, the concept of that feels weird to me on some fundamental level I think. (The original Madoka ending is different and fine because it's not Madoka sacrificing herself that's the happy part, it's everything else).
She said it very plainly... Is Madoka is a god, and Homura is the one messing with the laws of a god and the nature that was established, then she is by definition evil.
She's not saying it like "i'm a bad person", she's just saying a fact of their natures
@@tzukishiro I don't really agree with the notion that defying a god/nature is inherently evil at all. Madoka is not the Christian god, all the Christian theology about how the definition of evil is opposing god does not necessarily apply to her/this setting at all even if Homura thinks it does due to her Catholic school upbringing.
Secondly I think that Homura in her "demon" form is actually the same kind of "beyond magical girl" form that Madoka is and Homura only thinks she's a demon because of her self-hatred. So at that point it's just two gods having a bit of a tiff.
Homura did nothing wrong.
The movie's biggest flaw is that it hasn't received a proper continuation yet. The confrontations and setup for future story is here, but it's been 6 years and it hasn't gotten a sequel. Until such a show/movie exists, I will regard the show as the current ending, because it is an actual ending. Rebellion doesn't end, it just kinda stops.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
This is as much of an ending as the original show's ending was. lmao.
So, nobody cares about you, THIS is the end of Madoka, for now.
To be fair all magical girl shows rarely turn out happy
I haven't seen many... but the main ones; Sailor Moon and Cardcaptors sakura are VERY happy lol
Minky Momo gets hit by a car lol
God I fucking love seeing people gaze upon the glory that is Homucifer for the first time. The sociopathic goddess of lesbians Akemi Homura has come to bless us all in the name of Himemiya Chikane.
Im waiting for the fourth movie
God loved the world, and Demon loved God
Can we all agree to boycott SHAFT Animation Studio and Magia Record for the anime sequel to this movie (a sequel to the anime series) I want to see what happens next!
If someone is touching homoru the time stop doesn't work on that person and Mami was touching her the entire time with the ribbon 🎀 hence everything else freezing around them then unfreezing
From the first time when she went back to this time when she stole Madoka`s power she tried to keep this sacred version of Madoka that never existed the version that is like what Homura was at first weak needing protection but Madoka never was and even at the end tho for seconds she remembered her decision and that no one must be before it including Homura no matter how many times she tries she will never erase the Madoka that she actually became friends with the first time,the kind strong Madoka that can take the burden of the universe. Homura just isn`t strong enough. She desperatley tries to reverse their roles from the first timeline but she too admited that Madoka will eventually remember and be her enemy in other words she can`t errase the real Madoka
1:21:59 love this imagery
You talk about how the early parts of the film seemed to take too long to get to the point. My impression is that they were following western film design beats, as you can pick out almost the exact timings for the first three turning points (look up The Five Key Turning Points of All Successful Movie Scripts), which is fairly rigidly adhered to in Hollywood filmmaking. However Rebellion accelerates for Turning Points 4 and 5 (and I'm not even sure I'd call them points 4 and 5, because they don't work the same way as standard western plot progression markers), with a much longer aftermath than normal. This is the part where things seemed to pull together and really nail the pacing.
My thought is that there were two separate approaches to building the film, with different people in charge of the first half vs the second half. (There are two unit directors, and two chief animation directors.) And the person in charge of the first half was educated in Hollywood-style film school, while the second half was more anime-style. In particular, Japanese plot structure of stories differs significantly from Hollywood plot structure design.
So yes, there were definite differences in how the movie played out in the first vs second half, and I think I can guess the reasons for those differences. And yes, I have issues with the standardized western style.
I watched this two days ago but whatever ;p
Dude! Make a bitchute account, and upload the whole movie reaction there. With proper audio and video.
Why? There's really no need, you can just pull the movie up on your own.
#give Mami Tomoe a boyfriend in the anime sequel to Rebellion! ! ! ! !
Finally Megukas uwu
remember that the same logic for the powers of God Madoka apply to Devil Homura "the wish that she made+time travel" (I was waiting for this to happen in the show but it only happen in the movie) and Homura doesn't love Madoka she worships the IDEA of Madoka that is the reason she ignores Madoka wishes because in her mind Madoka isn't human she is a perfect being HER perfect being that needs protection of this corrupt world (Homura was always thinking about herself and never about Madoka)
Wrong. But thats your opinion.
@@kefkapalazzo1092 how is wrong?
rafresenden rafresenden.
I think they meant to point out that this is just your interpretation of Homura’s character and that many, many other interpretations and theories contradict yours. Or maybe I‘m mistaken and that’s not what they meant at all. Sorry! 😅
Looking at episode 10, when saving Homura from Izabel, at least from my perspective, Madoka is framed as nothing short of an angel. Homura simply managed to (accidentally) convince Madoka that she truly _is_ divine, leading her to become _actually_ divine.
But with there being no sequel in sight I personally think that this movie is a waste of time! Unless of course we DO get a sequel.
Alright, I'm just about to finish up watching your reaction here. I'm commenting this before I get to the discussion portion, so I may come back and say some more after watching that. But I have some things I really need to just vent. Because I rewatched the movie before watching your reaction here, and my thoughts on it have become more concretely...displeased. And I feel a salty compulsive need to somewhat counteract the Rebellion defense squad I see down here.
Almost everything in this movie makes logical sense. All of the plot beats, the final twist included, it all makes logical sense. But I don't think they did a good job of making the final twist make emotional sense, of putting the viewer in Homura's head and making us understand why she's doing what she's doing when she does it, not even on rewatch. I think they prioritized shock factor over coherent storytelling, and that this was a bad call. I think they leaned way too hard into her acting "evil" way too quickly - she went all the way to acting cartoonishly bad obscenely fast. And yes, I get it, her soul gem was corrupted. It makes LOGICAL sense. But, contextually, the last time Homura was on-screen her emotional state and manner was completely different from how it is when she woke up and grabbed Madoka, so the zero-to-a-hundred tone shift in her demeanor is just incredibly jarring from a pacing and presentation standpoint. It shoves me away. And each second I come closer to getting back on track, Homura says or does something else that shoves me away again. The movie just keeps trying to shock, shock, shock me, even when I already know what's happening. It does not concern itself at all with connecting me to Homura's thoughts, unlike the entire rest of the movie beforehand. It just shuts me out, because it reeeeeally wants to keep rubbing salt in the wound that "haha Homura's not acting like you were expecting! What a surprise, right? Right? KEEP BEING SURPRISED!!!", without ever stopping to ask itself if its storytelling earned it.
But, beyond that, there's a detail I noticed this time around that throws a wrench into that emotional core of Homura's arc even more. The idea we're supposed to buy, the emotional core of this twist, is that time is supposed to have passed between the end of the series and the start of this movie. Enough time, in fact, to have lead Homura to the state where she starts questioning if her memories of Madoka were even real, to begin doubting herself to that extent. Which, given how determined and resolute she is at the end of the series, is a humongous difference. What happens in that span of time is what transforms and corrupts her emotionally. Homura has an entire character arc within this span of time - from dutifully fighting in Madoka's memory, to crushing isolation and self-doubt. The longer this span of time is, the easier it is to buy this off-screen arc.
Here's the problem. Everyone in this movie that's been dragged in from the physical world looks to be the same age they were as at the end of the show. Most notably Tatsuya, who looks and sounds the EXACT same. Since he's so young his aging would be especially noticeable. So, how much time could have possibly passed between the end of the series and the start of this movie? A couple of months? Half a year, max? A year, if we're really stretching? We're to buy that Homura almost completely lost her composure, began to doubt herself THAT much, over that short a span of time? After she was SO strong at the end of the series, so committed to Madoka's memory?
It's just...kinda laughable. And kinda neuters the end of the original series emotionally, too. Like, now with Rebellion in mind, I'm forced to watch that series ending and think "yeah, she's keeps that determination for like 5 weeks and then completely loses it".
I can possibly see it happening, but it really trivializes the core of her arc when that little amount of time is all that needed to pass before she entered her dark period. Especially when the movie doesn't bother to show us any of that process, doesn't much try to make us feel how she felt when she began to feel completely isolated and doubt her own memories. Maybe because if they did, it might lessen the shock value of that ending twist? And oh, they couldn't have that...
I still like this movie. Damn it all, I do. But I think it's fundamentally flawed in its storytelling. I shouldn't have to constantly try to convince myself that the last twenty minutes makes sense, especially when logically, it does. The fact that I still have trouble with it anyways is a sign that the storytelling didn't do its job well enough for me, on the most important part of its plot.
#boycott SHAFT Animation Studio and Magia Record 4 anime sequel 2 Rebellion! ! ! ! !
If SHAFT Animation Studio would get to work on the anime sequel then I wouldn't have any issues with this movie! (Including the unnecessary gun fight between Homura and Mami).
LMAO Unnecessary? How could you
Same here. I also prefer tv ending and treat the movie like kind of... solid fanfic.
Theres a pretty solid case to be made that the beginning half of the movie is meant to be a sort of dig at fanfic, or more generally the tendency of fans to want a perfect happy ending. The first half has everyone working together happily and stuff which both sort of Homura's dream, but also something the fandom tends to want. So the movie takes this sort of ideal that people want to see and then flips it on it's head. At the end it even gives us the happy ending where everyone is alive, but it gives it to us at a cost.
It's in my opinion a much stronger ending than that of the original anime. While in the anime, Madoka's story is concluded, Homura is given a wishy-washy "the fight continues" thing as well as a complete invalidation of her wish. It's only natural that they resolve her wish.
Just my personal opinion, but it tends to be annoying after an entire hour of watching hearing you talk all the time xD
So what am I supposed to do? Not talk? Just don't watch.
@@LuffyTDS Nono, I didn't mean it like that. I love how you explain everything, but that's the thing, EVERYTHING. It was just a little opinion I had, I didn't have any bad intentions with it.
@@thezoegee8833 Haha no problem, sorry.
@@LuffyTDS Don't worry, no need to apologize! Keep making content and entertaining your viewers!
Ppl who say Houmura did nothing wrong are delusional
I love you, because you hate Homura.
Would you like to boycott SHAFT Animation Studio and Magia Record with me for the anime sequel to this movie?
@@EveryMan-yz1ce Sorry, I don't actually *hate* Homura, I just think she's far from innocent and ppl need to know that. She's basically the villain of rebellion.
@@EveryMan-yz1ce yes, we need Shaft to focus on the original girls, instead of god awful Magia Record thing that came out this year
@@tiagobrandao6588 then how about starting by signing my petition? I can even send you the link to it right here below this comment.