ELON MUSK IS CONFUSED WITH CHINA & CCP. CHINESE & COMMUNIST CHINA. NO ORDINARY FOLKS CAN BE THE MEMBERS OF CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. VERY SELECTIVE ELITES. CCP HIJACKS CHINA & KIDNAPS OVER 1 BILLION CHINESE SLAVES. IF ELON MUSK KNOWS MORE HISTORY OF CULTURAL REVOLUTION FROM 1960-70s, HOW TRADITIONAL CHINESE CULTURE BE DESTROYED. THEN, WE KNOW MORE WHY CCP IS SO BRUTAL & AGGRESSIVE TO INVADE & DESTROY AMERICA, & THEY EVEN WANT TO DOMINATE THE WORLD. CAN YOU SEE THE OLDER GENERATION IN POWER STILL HOLD THE EMPEROR MINDSETS TO CONTROL PEOPLE IN 21st CENTURY BUT THEY DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, JUSTICE. THEY ARE ANTI GOD. THEY THINK THEY ARE BIGGER THAN GOD. CAN YOU SEE CCP PARTY IS ABOVE EVERYTHING. ABOVE THE LAW. THE WHOLE SYSTEM HAS NO CHECK & BALANCE. .........................
There’s a reason we call the WW2 generation the greatest generation, because they were a perfect mix of toughness, and compassion, I witnessed it with my grandparents on both sides, they were truly a special generation, and I doubt we will ever see anything like it again!
Thucydides trap only work if both party had the same core interest (backyard). China and US is too far apart to engage in confrontation. US and USSR had a stronger rivalry than US and China yet they never went to war. this is because both side has plenty of room to grow and they are busy dominating their region. despite USSR and US establish alliances that border each other, those alliances never went to war. rather the 3 signature wars of the cold war was korea, vietnam and afghanistan, all of which are far from their alliance and core territories. in fact this mirrors what we see today with Ukraine and Israeli being wars that are as far from Beijing and Washingston as possible. so I actually don't see there being a risk of war. WWI and WWII is largely started by as a fight for dominance over europe by european powers. US was powerful but US didn't go around starting WWI and WWII...
@@lagrangewei That would be true if only geographic proximity was inconsideration. Unfortunately the US with its Monroe doctrine massively overreaches its influence, a trend that is increasing with NATO expansion and efforts to establish an Asian NATO pushes closely onto China's sphere of influence. This is clearly visible by the presence of US military bases surrounding China. The U.S. push to expand NATO into Asia mirrors the principles of the Monroe Doctrine, which sought to assert U.S. dominance by limiting foreign influence in the Western Hemisphere. Similarly, expanding NATO into Asia reflects America's modern strategy to extend its geopolitical influence and contain rival powers like China and Russia in critical regions. Both policies aim to consolidate U.S. control over global security dynamics and prevent adversaries from gaining influence in key strategic areas. We are definitely all at risk if they continue down this path to remain the worlds hegemonic power!
USA did rebuild several battered countries like Germany and Japan, and even south Korea, but the US did it for itself. All three countries are completed under the USA. The US jas many military bases in these making sure they are under its sphere of influence.
Well said. USA will never ever, do for the benefit of the other country. It will hold back other countrie's economy, techonlogy and more. That's built in it's Imperialist DNA including its former master UK
Yeah but ask those countries, they want the US there…because they have big scary neighbors who are likely to treat them worse. Japan, Korea and German all want to stay under the US umbrella, because they get protection from it from Russia and China.
@@jxmai7687 yeah with a huge amount of American help. You think they would have been able to rebuild if the US did not send foot to prevent starvation and famine? Yes they rebuilt their own nations with huge support and aid…now a few (China,Russia) want to revise history and pretend they were not helped out massively. Sad. We Americans still remember that the French helped us out to gain independence from Britian.
Since WWII, the U.S. has been involved in numerous regime changes, wars, and color revolutions to protect its strategic and economic interests. Key examples include coups in Iran (1953) and Guatemala (1954), the Bay of Pigs in Cuba (1961), and support for the overthrow of leaders in Chile (1973) and Congo (1960). The U.S. was also deeply involved in Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, and Nicaragua, often supporting insurgent groups. More recently, the U.S. played roles in the 2003 Iraq invasion, the 2011 NATO intervention in Libya, and support for opposition in Syria and Venezuela. Color revolutions in Eastern Europe, like Ukraine's 2014 Euromaidan, are also linked to U.S. influence. These interventions often destabilized regions, leading to long-term conflicts and power vacuums. I think this more than offsets the "conspicuous acts of kindness" they may have exhibited during WWII. Their behavior in recent times has been trending towards the tyrannical so I think Musk is definitely being biased and cherry picking his arguments in this case.
And Russia has been involved in way more regime changes, revolutions and genocidal wars, it's very confusing the point you're trying to make but glad I could clarify it
@@patrickfitzpatrick1600 my pleasure comrad! Russia was involved in pretty much all colonial wars, providing weapons to militias - all the while Russia is one of the largest colonoziers and is yet to give independence to its colonies. When do you think that will happen? Then of course lets not forget the invasion of Moldova, Georgia, Chechnya (with the horrific genocide of the Chechens), and of course Ukraine. Russia was deeply involved in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and is currently financing neo nazi groups across the globe, and terrorist groups in Africa. Every coup in Africa had the backing of Russia - why are they trying this new form of colonialism? Who knows... Of course all of these interventions destabilized whole regions and continents, and one of the reasons why so many countries wanted, and want to join NATO.
I do not agree that they are internally focused. My experience is they love comparing between each other and very much so between them and the West. Trying to find ways they are better.
An incredibly weak Argument, the origin of the US is largely European...Is Europe 400yrs old? China rise is largely due being Cheap labour. 90% of their 'innovations' are stolen from American and European companies. With Infrastructure they learned from Europeans and American Architects and so on. Yes the New Kid on the block is big but lets not make up stuff here.
Competing with a country 4 times your population, with equivalent IQ levels and working even harder than you, is a very bad odd. The US is holding its edge so far mostly because of starting early and the open society that foster innovation. The US needs to make very good use of the technological advantages that still exist, especially AI, automation and robotics, to offset the number advantage of China. Humanity needs a strong and open country to lead the way forward to space.
America Chas fallen behind in education. I think it was the head of Apple or one of the American giants of industry said. If you organised a meeting of engineers in America today you would hardly beget enough to fill a room, if you organised a meeting in China you would have to hire a stadium. Those words are not verbatim and may be an exaggeration but you get the picture
Musk talked about POW of America and Russia in ww2, he forgot about how many Russians had died and how many Americans died. Take that into account then you can compared the behaviour.
I’m a number one fan of Elon, but I don’t buy his reasoning regarding the US and China adversarial relations since Elon got a conflict of interest, he is deeply invested in China
We had enough trouble occupying Iraq and Afghanistan. We have enough trouble managing our own cities. Perhaps we can conclude that we really do not know what we are doing, or are not really good at it.
That’s peanut compared to Laos. Laos holds a world record: the most bombed country in the world. 7.7 million tons of explosives were dropped in Laos, by more than 580,000 air missions by the US Airforce on Laos between 1964 and 1973 during the Vietnam War. That’s more than three times the intensity of bombs dropped in all theaters of World War II. There are still 80 million bomblets that never went off remain live, buried over 35% of land area of Laos. A staggering 270 million bomblets were dropped in a country with a population of 2.5 million, to carpet a huge buffer zone to prevent weaponries to reach Vietnam. By 1975, 1/10th of Laos population was killed, 1/5th of the population wounded.
@@zeissiez The My Lai Massacre only became known because of a handful of soldiers/helicopter pilot, disgusted by the actions of the ground forces. As for Laos and the undeclared war with the carpet bombing of the entire region and expending more firepower over that decade than all the munitions used during WW2, yes, a nation scale atrocity criminally overlooked.
@@zeissiez There will be a re-evaluation of history, that's for sure. The current and "prevailing" perspective of good vs evil has long been a simplistic fairytale.
China isn't Athen. and US isn't Sparta. China was one of the 5 major victor of WWII together with USSR, China has always been a great power even when it was weak. furthermore the confrontation between US and USSR was far more serious than that of US and China, if US and USSR didn't fight even when the 2 has military alliance against each other, the likelihood for US fighting China is actually far lower than that. in fact I argue that historically global power avoid each other, in the cold war, most of the fighting is undertaken far from moscow and washington: in Korea, in Vietnam, in Afghanistan. why this is so is because global power like Russia, China and US are physically far apart, and their core interest lies closer to their surrounding than something happening half the world away, whereas Sparta and Athen were competing for the same backyard, they had the same core interest which is unlike the global powers of today. this is why the Ukraine war make sense in a world where China and US are the leading powers, because Ukraine is as far away from Washingston and Beijing as you can get, from China and US prespective it is better for EU and Russia to exhaust each other than for US and China to hurt each other. there is actually logic to this madness. the same is with the Israeli wars. so I actually do not think that war between US and China is at all likely. despite all the hype about Taiwan, Taiwan is simply not US core interest. US is more likely to just bomb TSMC to prevent it capture by China than to bother with attempting to save it which would result in China bombing TSMC to prevent a US rescue. so both side would destroy Taiwan than to allow Taiwan become a point of conflict between them. strategic liability should not be confuse for strategic asset, Taiwan is a liability to whoever control it since it is easier to destroy it than to occupy it.
I'd agree if we wait about a decade or two once semi conductors have been taken away from Taiwan. If china attacks Taiwan right now 90% of the most advanced semi conductors will stop being produced.
6:53 What in seven hells is he even talking about?! What sort of Alternate History class did he attend to? I used to believe he's some kind of idealist, but this what he said there is why I think he's dangerous. Legitimately dangerous.
He's a brainwashed exceptionalist , that deluded himself into thinking he actually coded the whole paypal architecture ( i think it's easier to cope with being a fraud that way ) , whereas it's "borrowed" code....Now he's deluding himself into thinking Usa is the benevolent shining city on the hill that "saved" Europe ( by financing HEAVILY the nazi party then came after Russia beat them , to carpet bomb all european industry centers , carefully avoiding the SS outposts because there was too many valuable scientists in there ^^ and "paperclipped" them) ..... Of course the guy is dangerous , he's like a healthy meat eating Steve Jobs of the military industrial complex , minus 30 iq points but just as sociopathic as steve was , and that got coopted to be the media face of three major industries instead of just one to make them look fashionable . Steve jobs wanted to "change the world" , Elon wanna "coup" it
As in conquering by force and calling other territories US. It's descriptive reality that with nukes they could have done that. Japan could have been called right now another US state.
Elon is a perfect ambassador in that interview. He left out the hard parts in a very solid way. Germany wanted Poland back (and a lot of other things) - and a lot of land were taken from German after WW2 (Prussia). Taiwan is historically not particularly Chinese - sometimes part of China - sometimes not - and only “native” Chinese after the Dutch imported Chinese workers. Atomic powers have lost plenty of wars since WW2.
Out of a population of approximately 25 million people in Taiwan approximately 23 million are ethnic Chinese.. Taiwanese have relatives in China, work, holiday, trade and study in China. The west as usual completely misunderstands Asia. After the election the west was full of how the people had voted against China but that was a lie, the Pro American government got 40% of the vote whereas pro Chinese parties got 60% cumulatively and won the legislature, making it almost impossible to change anything. This in spite of the anti Chinese govt spending millions on brain washing school children
@@johnm7267 sure - and as I wrote - the Chinese came when the Dutch needed workers. You don’t ague that Taiwan have strong historical tie to China - so that is a big confirm.
I get where Elon is coming from but I'm sure when he visited he wasn't exactly hanging out with the average Chinese folks nor the poor ones for that matter he was seeing the best of China had to offer. Since he didn't live there my guess is he was never looked what was behind the curtains. I'm sure 10 years from now he go back to revisit he would recant that statement. In fairness to China their infrastructure is new compared to the United States which is getting old.
China has the capacity to be a super power, however to really become a long standing super power you need to have good diplomatic relations, even with their so called allies they try to steal their land or waters. So for now I do not see them succeeding in overtaking the place of the US just yet. Definitely have the capacity but has been making bad decisions with its neighbors and honestly every country they come in contact with. America may piss off a few select countries, but for the most part we do tend to keep good relations, plus we had the ability to take over any country or all of we wanted but we chose to build up others instead, which helps us as well as them. So would countries trust China like they do America? I don’t think so given the evidences of them trying to take other stuff as soon as they get even a little power.
Hstorically, loads of bull. USA absolutely extended its influence over all states that was able to, via Marshall Plan and NATO founding. The game was just played in two: see Korea, once upon a time that state was united. Secondly, Axis guys preferred to surrender to Americans because, Hello? Germany had just targeted the entirety of the slav world with an attempt to reduce it whole into slavery, following the Lebensraum and Ubermensch doctrines. But I will concede, the guy is onto something with the unprecedented acts of kindness strategy and belief in the good heart of the next guy. Marshall Plan was... also an extension of influence. Economy isn't zero sum, and people can be thankful to you to do something in your interest. The new cold war is already there, it's not a matter to avoid it. But to survive it. We should aim to actually build peace.
We overthrew a government in Pakistan and installed one we preferred. The government we installed just authorized China to build their largest naval base outside of China on the Pakistan coast. Look at a map and tell me how this isn't a problem. Interesting how little the media is covering it. Disturbingly interesting.
I don't agree with everything Elon says, but he's brilliant. I kind of agree with his foundation of economics. I'd argue that even more than economics, it is control over resources. Then you write your own checks. Win the battle of resources and it never gets to economics because to exploit resources, it takes money. An old adage is that an army marches on its stomach. Where resources come into this is that an automated army doesn't have stomachs, but does have energy needs, which leads back to controlling resources. The US did this brilliantly with the CIA and the shell companies it set up when the old USSR had certain elements the US needed. That is really how the SR-71 came into being. We managed to control resources we didn't have to leverage a technology to start a physical war before it started. It is as much about strategy and patience as it is force and money..... and even more important I'd argue. With Taiwan, China ultimately wants the resources to produce microchips. That obviously has vast economic benefit. To get to the economics portion of it, China has to have unrestricted access to the resources. Find a way to deny the resource, and the next step of economics doesn't happen. It is about recognizing where there will be a fire and wetting the ground and removing all the fuel for a fire before it can start. It is a proactive, not a reactive approach.
Okay so i dont think we (america) would have a problem with china if they weren't running talking about how they will replace america as the dominant super power and mainly the expansionist ways dictatorships are so well known for .. that is the issue
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China's infrastructure is more impressive than in the US because is newer. China was very poor only 40 years ago, so everything is brand new and more modern. But that does not make them greater, just newer. The advent of AI and intelligent robots will define the future of America, and the Chinese will have to prove their worth not just by having a massive and cheaper labor force since that will be taken over by robots in the US, Europe, and elsewhere.
I see many American trying to go all in to AI to save your self's from this China competition, I don't know what you tell you guys man, American got it self it this position is not just because china has lots of cheap labors, because everything in America is falling apart. Can't you build new infrastructure in span of 40 years time, you should right, the moment you realize those American infrastructure is the way it is todays is because not one part failed, because American system has many build in checks and balances that makes sure each part is working. What happen to America today is a SYSTEMATIC Failure, where all parts of the system is falling to do its job. This is not something that can simply be fix but having AI. In fact if American adopted a Competent AI system I think it would be a disaster for the American people, Because if the AI can do your job better than you, what do they need you for?
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There is a small chance that USA can avoid war with China, USA/allies would need to reduce china economy as much as possible, and support nearby countries nearby first before china as well.
Can they triple ... their percapita in the future from current $12.000 to 20.000-36.000?is nett growth to 36.000 easy,hard,doable? Population increase is the worst way to increase a country GDP. There are many ways to increase it
@@andia968 I mean sure it’s possible, but it’s going to be very hard with the population aging China is experiencing. Chinese GDP road a demographic wave and globalization/trade. It’s population has peaked and is rapidly aging, and the relationships with its biggest trading partners are breaking down. China appears set for a Japanese strike lost decade based on the real estate market. That seems like a much more likely outcome then 2-3x GDP going forward.
Ya, lots of French soldiers fled to UK after the Nzi takeover and later participated in DDay landing. They reconstituted their forces as the Allies were advancing and some of their divisions were instrumental in liberating many regions or cities in France.
Wait China is not acquisitive…then how did they get so big? Like they took Tibet, Inner Mongolia…they want Tiawan…they claim the whole South China Sea…hhhmmm
This dude clearly skipped all of his history classes in grade school...😂😂😂...the mere mentioning of "Inner Mongolia" had me ROFL 'cause the idiot probably thinks it's part of Mongolia that Communist China took over and occupied by force, not knowing that ALL of Mongolia has been a part of China since the Yuan dynasty under Kubla Khan in the 13th Century. In fact, modern day China only retracted in size by losing Outer Mongolia to the Soviets as a buffer zone between the two powers after WW2.
And for lying to me. Well my father will deal with that same as with the othershit you steped out of his shadow again. That is not my fault. And now your on your own same as i have been. Gods speed. Yall Late
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There are no two big powers. China is not a big powerful country.
ELON MUSK IS CONFUSED WITH CHINA & CCP. CHINESE & COMMUNIST CHINA. NO ORDINARY FOLKS CAN BE THE MEMBERS OF CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. VERY SELECTIVE ELITES. CCP HIJACKS CHINA & KIDNAPS OVER 1 BILLION CHINESE SLAVES.
IF ELON MUSK KNOWS MORE HISTORY OF CULTURAL REVOLUTION FROM 1960-70s, HOW TRADITIONAL CHINESE CULTURE BE DESTROYED. THEN, WE KNOW MORE WHY CCP IS SO BRUTAL & AGGRESSIVE TO INVADE & DESTROY AMERICA, & THEY EVEN WANT TO DOMINATE THE WORLD.
CAN YOU SEE THE OLDER GENERATION IN POWER STILL HOLD THE EMPEROR MINDSETS TO CONTROL PEOPLE IN 21st CENTURY BUT THEY DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, JUSTICE. THEY ARE ANTI GOD. THEY THINK THEY ARE BIGGER THAN GOD. CAN YOU SEE CCP PARTY IS ABOVE EVERYTHING. ABOVE THE LAW. THE WHOLE SYSTEM HAS NO CHECK & BALANCE.
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There’s a reason we call the WW2 generation the greatest generation, because they were a perfect mix of toughness, and compassion, I witnessed it with my grandparents on both sides, they were truly a special generation, and I doubt we will ever see anything like it again!
Thucydides trap applies only when both parties are warmongers. In present scenario there is only one warmonger. I have faith that peace with prevail
Well said and great perception
Absolutely TRUE !!
@@user-gp9mk7wm1s only one adult in the room! I hope you're right!
Thucydides trap only work if both party had the same core interest (backyard). China and US is too far apart to engage in confrontation. US and USSR had a stronger rivalry than US and China yet they never went to war. this is because both side has plenty of room to grow and they are busy dominating their region. despite USSR and US establish alliances that border each other, those alliances never went to war. rather the 3 signature wars of the cold war was korea, vietnam and afghanistan, all of which are far from their alliance and core territories. in fact this mirrors what we see today with Ukraine and Israeli being wars that are as far from Beijing and Washingston as possible. so I actually don't see there being a risk of war. WWI and WWII is largely started by as a fight for dominance over europe by european powers. US was powerful but US didn't go around starting WWI and WWII...
@@lagrangewei That would be true if only geographic proximity was inconsideration. Unfortunately the US with its Monroe doctrine massively overreaches its influence, a trend that is increasing with NATO expansion and efforts to establish an Asian NATO pushes closely onto China's sphere of influence. This is clearly visible by the presence of US military bases surrounding China. The U.S. push to expand NATO into Asia mirrors the principles of the Monroe Doctrine, which sought to assert U.S. dominance by limiting foreign influence in the Western Hemisphere. Similarly, expanding NATO into Asia reflects America's modern strategy to extend its geopolitical influence and contain rival powers like China and Russia in critical regions. Both policies aim to consolidate U.S. control over global security dynamics and prevent adversaries from gaining influence in key strategic areas. We are definitely all at risk if they continue down this path to remain the worlds hegemonic power!
The US empire has 800 military bases all across the world, and no other country has more than 10.
USA did rebuild several battered countries like Germany and Japan, and even south Korea, but the US did it for itself. All three countries are completed under the USA. The US jas many military bases in these making sure they are under its sphere of influence.
Well said. USA will never ever, do for the benefit of the other country. It will hold back other countrie's economy, techonlogy and more. That's built in it's Imperialist DNA including its former master UK
Yeah but ask those countries, they want the US there…because they have big scary neighbors who are likely to treat them worse. Japan, Korea and German all want to stay under the US umbrella, because they get protection from it from Russia and China.
Usa rebuilt nothing in Germany ,Usa just sent some money , the Marshall plan was a shark loan , Germans rebuilt Germany ..Same for Japan
We can not forget it was the peoplr rebuild their own country.
@@jxmai7687 yeah with a huge amount of American help. You think they would have been able to rebuild if the US did not send foot to prevent starvation and famine? Yes they rebuilt their own nations with huge support and aid…now a few (China,Russia) want to revise history and pretend they were not helped out massively. Sad. We Americans still remember that the French helped us out to gain independence from Britian.
Since WWII, the U.S. has been involved in numerous regime changes, wars, and color revolutions to protect its strategic and economic interests. Key examples include coups in Iran (1953) and Guatemala (1954), the Bay of Pigs in Cuba (1961), and support for the overthrow of leaders in Chile (1973) and Congo (1960). The U.S. was also deeply involved in Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, and Nicaragua, often supporting insurgent groups. More recently, the U.S. played roles in the 2003 Iraq invasion, the 2011 NATO intervention in Libya, and support for opposition in Syria and Venezuela. Color revolutions in Eastern Europe, like Ukraine's 2014 Euromaidan, are also linked to U.S. influence. These interventions often destabilized regions, leading to long-term conflicts and power vacuums. I think this more than offsets the "conspicuous acts of kindness" they may have exhibited during WWII. Their behavior in recent times has been trending towards the tyrannical so I think Musk is definitely being biased and cherry picking his arguments in this case.
And Russia has been involved in way more regime changes, revolutions and genocidal wars, it's very confusing the point you're trying to make but glad I could clarify it
@@ChauvinistTrolldid not mention Russia one time, what’s ur point?
@@ChauvinistTroll please do clarify it!
@@qianshanli7552 The title of the video is USA and China!
@@patrickfitzpatrick1600 my pleasure comrad!
Russia was involved in pretty much all colonial wars, providing weapons to militias - all the while Russia is one of the largest colonoziers and is yet to give independence to its colonies. When do you think that will happen?
Then of course lets not forget the invasion of Moldova, Georgia, Chechnya (with the horrific genocide of the Chechens), and of course Ukraine.
Russia was deeply involved in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and is currently financing neo nazi groups across the globe, and terrorist groups in Africa. Every coup in Africa had the backing of Russia - why are they trying this new form of colonialism? Who knows...
Of course all of these interventions destabilized whole regions and continents, and one of the reasons why so many countries wanted, and want to join NATO.
Chinese construction is famously poor quality what is he talking about?
For an American entrepreneur he definitely loves relying on Chinese manufacturing.
why do you type this as if that was a bad thing?
I do not agree that they are internally focused. My experience is they love comparing between each other and very much so between them and the West. Trying to find ways they are better.
And this, ladies and gentleman, this is why US economy is in tatters I say. IN TATTERS!!
Rightfully
compared to china?? bhhahahahahhhaha 600 million live in poverty in china
What would a relative comparison of the economies of other countries reveal? If the US's in tatters what are the others in?
Whatever. Musk is with the US and commies still can not copy musk's reusable rockets.
Twice our size , we've been training for war for 200 years, so it will be like a samurai against a redheaded stepchild.
Tofu construction is more impressive than in the U.S. Very interesting take
There also that US engineered tofu ISS thats leaking like a sieve.
Cope😂
You mean like Boeing Stuckliner and flying door 737Max?😂😂😂
@@directxxxx71 you’re comparing the U.S. plane industry VS the Chinese? Good luck with that one lol
If Elon says something negative n there goes his Factory
Is there a chance that he is telling the truth?
The new kid on the Block comes with 5000 years of history compared to 400 years.
There are civilizations older than the new kid on the block. They aren't doing so well. So what's your point? 🥱
Other old kids are dead, China is only one survived, I believe.
An incredibly weak Argument, the origin of the US is largely European...Is Europe 400yrs old? China rise is largely due being Cheap labour. 90% of their 'innovations' are stolen from American and European companies. With Infrastructure they learned from Europeans and American Architects and so on. Yes the New Kid on the block is big but lets not make up stuff here.
@@ericreed4535 SURVIVAL
@@bartsolari5035 Wouldn't "thriving" beat surviving?
America did start to do that since the 50s, starting with Korean war, and losing every war ever since
Your understanding of history is completely false
You,obviously know nothing about war history
Competing with a country 4 times your population, with equivalent IQ levels and working even harder than you, is a very bad odd. The US is holding its edge so far mostly because of starting early and the open society that foster innovation.
The US needs to make very good use of the technological advantages that still exist, especially AI, automation and robotics, to offset the number advantage of China. Humanity needs a strong and open country to lead the way forward to space.
China will surpass US technology
Completely agree with your perspective of the US in the context of technology.
America Chas fallen behind in education. I think it was the head of Apple or one of the American giants of industry said. If you organised a meeting of engineers in America today you would hardly beget enough to fill a room, if you organised a meeting in China you would have to hire a stadium. Those words are not verbatim and may be an exaggeration but you get the picture
Musk talked about POW of America and Russia in ww2, he forgot about how many Russians had died and how many Americans died.
Take that into account then you can compared the behaviour.
What's your point??
Allies did not mass slaughter thier prisoners like the Nazis or the Soviets did.
USA must have forgotten WWII. See Guantanamo and Abhu Graib for example
I’m a number one fan of Elon, but I don’t buy his reasoning regarding the US and China adversarial relations since Elon got a conflict of interest, he is deeply invested in China
Isn't he deeply invested in the US as well?
We had enough trouble occupying Iraq and Afghanistan. We have enough trouble managing our own cities. Perhaps we can conclude that we really do not know what we are doing, or are not really good at it.
A billionaire try to make more billions 😂 , the emperor new dress 😂😂
Very true, would not want to be in any other country besides the USA.
On the p.o.w. test who here is choosing the CCP?
Bro is letting his optimism shine!
War is not always about Winning and loosing; Its Mostly about why, WHY IS WHOM AT WAR WITH WHOM,
that tis the question Sherlock
2:45 And economics is energy that has been transformed.
Imagine if China just built a Taiwan.
The US isn’t United and would be overwhelmed by superior numbers.
Wonder how the villagers of My Lai, Vietnam, would have felt if given the choice of US intervention or not?.
Cant answer that, theyre all dead.
That’s peanut compared to Laos. Laos holds a world record: the most bombed country in the world. 7.7 million tons of explosives were dropped in Laos, by more than 580,000 air missions by the US Airforce on Laos between 1964 and 1973 during the Vietnam War. That’s more than three times the intensity of bombs dropped in all theaters of World War II. There are still 80 million bomblets that never went off remain live, buried over 35% of land area of Laos. A staggering 270 million bomblets were dropped in a country with a population of 2.5 million, to carpet a huge buffer zone to prevent weaponries to reach Vietnam. By 1975, 1/10th of Laos population was killed, 1/5th of the population wounded.
@@zeissiez The My Lai Massacre only became known because of a handful of soldiers/helicopter pilot, disgusted by the actions of the ground forces. As for Laos and the undeclared war with the carpet bombing of the entire region and expending more firepower over that decade than all the munitions used during WW2, yes, a nation scale atrocity criminally overlooked.
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And they say Hitler was cruel
@@zeissiez There will be a re-evaluation of history, that's for sure. The current and "prevailing" perspective of good vs evil has long been a simplistic fairytale.
not to forget , use of orange agent too
China isn't Athen. and US isn't Sparta. China was one of the 5 major victor of WWII together with USSR, China has always been a great power even when it was weak. furthermore the confrontation between US and USSR was far more serious than that of US and China, if US and USSR didn't fight even when the 2 has military alliance against each other, the likelihood for US fighting China is actually far lower than that.
in fact I argue that historically global power avoid each other, in the cold war, most of the fighting is undertaken far from moscow and washington: in Korea, in Vietnam, in Afghanistan. why this is so is because global power like Russia, China and US are physically far apart, and their core interest lies closer to their surrounding than something happening half the world away, whereas Sparta and Athen were competing for the same backyard, they had the same core interest which is unlike the global powers of today. this is why the Ukraine war make sense in a world where China and US are the leading powers, because Ukraine is as far away from Washingston and Beijing as you can get, from China and US prespective it is better for EU and Russia to exhaust each other than for US and China to hurt each other. there is actually logic to this madness. the same is with the Israeli wars.
so I actually do not think that war between US and China is at all likely. despite all the hype about Taiwan, Taiwan is simply not US core interest. US is more likely to just bomb TSMC to prevent it capture by China than to bother with attempting to save it which would result in China bombing TSMC to prevent a US rescue. so both side would destroy Taiwan than to allow Taiwan become a point of conflict between them. strategic liability should not be confuse for strategic asset, Taiwan is a liability to whoever control it since it is easier to destroy it than to occupy it.
Thanks, sold all my TSMC!
I'd agree if we wait about a decade or two once semi conductors have been taken away from Taiwan. If china attacks Taiwan right now 90% of the most advanced semi conductors will stop being produced.
I read the comments below and everyone's a expert. All I'm going to say is who's 35 trillion in debt?
Elon laughs like a Marvel Villian. @8:22
Good point about who to surrender to
The US did take over the world 😂😂😂
6:53 What in seven hells is he even talking about?! What sort of Alternate History class did he attend to? I used to believe he's some kind of idealist, but this what he said there is why I think he's dangerous. Legitimately dangerous.
He's a brainwashed exceptionalist , that deluded himself into thinking he actually coded the whole paypal architecture ( i think it's easier to cope with being a fraud that way ) , whereas it's "borrowed" code....Now he's deluding himself into thinking Usa is the benevolent shining city on the hill that "saved" Europe ( by financing HEAVILY the nazi party then came after Russia beat them , to carpet bomb all european industry centers , carefully avoiding the SS outposts because there was too many valuable scientists in there ^^ and "paperclipped" them) .....
Of course the guy is dangerous , he's like a healthy meat eating Steve Jobs of the military industrial complex , minus 30 iq points but just as sociopathic as steve was , and that got coopted to be the media face of three major industries instead of just one to make them look fashionable .
Steve jobs wanted to "change the world" , Elon wanna "coup" it
As in conquering by force and calling other territories US. It's descriptive reality that with nukes they could have done that. Japan could have been called right now another US state.
Elon is a perfect ambassador in that interview. He left out the hard parts in a very solid way. Germany wanted Poland back (and a lot of other things) - and a lot of land were taken from German after WW2 (Prussia). Taiwan is historically not particularly Chinese - sometimes part of China - sometimes not - and only “native” Chinese after the Dutch imported Chinese workers. Atomic powers have lost plenty of wars since WW2.
Out of a population of approximately 25 million people in Taiwan approximately 23 million are ethnic Chinese.. Taiwanese have relatives in China, work, holiday, trade and study in China. The west as usual completely misunderstands Asia. After the election the west was full of how the people had voted against China but that was a lie, the Pro American government got 40% of the vote whereas pro Chinese parties got 60% cumulatively and won the legislature, making it almost impossible to change anything. This in spite of the anti Chinese govt spending millions on brain washing school children
@@johnm7267 sure - and as I wrote - the Chinese came when the Dutch needed workers. You don’t ague that Taiwan have strong historical tie to China - so that is a big confirm.
@@johnm7267 几乎100%华裔。南岛人起源于中国。
Elon is pretty objective with his analysis
I get where Elon is coming from but I'm sure when he visited he wasn't exactly hanging out with the average Chinese folks nor the poor ones for that matter he was seeing the best of China had to offer. Since he didn't live there my guess is he was never looked what was behind the curtains. I'm sure 10 years from now he go back to revisit he would recant that statement. In fairness to China their infrastructure is new compared to the United States which is getting old.
China has the capacity to be a super power, however to really become a long standing super power you need to have good diplomatic relations, even with their so called allies they try to steal their land or waters. So for now I do not see them succeeding in overtaking the place of the US just yet. Definitely have the capacity but has been making bad decisions with its neighbors and honestly every country they come in contact with. America may piss off a few select countries, but for the most part we do tend to keep good relations, plus we had the ability to take over any country or all of we wanted but we chose to build up others instead, which helps us as well as them. So would countries trust China like they do America? I don’t think so given the evidences of them trying to take other stuff as soon as they get even a little power.
China put the money on making business with other countries
And USA INVEST MONEY ON WAR
CHINA IT JUST BETTER😂😂 😂
Elon is south african
Born in South Africa. Mother was Canadian.
Moved to Canada in early teens, studied in a Canadian University for 2 years before transferring to U Penn.
British colony.
@@tolurker1Still south african
@@19CobreAmerican citizen though
Blinken has Israeli citizenship as well. Elon isn't a government official. Just a private citizen
Hstorically, loads of bull.
USA absolutely extended its influence over all states that was able to, via Marshall Plan and NATO founding. The game was just played in two: see Korea, once upon a time that state was united.
Secondly, Axis guys preferred to surrender to Americans because, Hello? Germany had just targeted the entirety of the slav world with an attempt to reduce it whole into slavery, following the Lebensraum and Ubermensch doctrines.
But I will concede, the guy is onto something with the unprecedented acts of kindness strategy and belief in the good heart of the next guy.
Marshall Plan was... also an extension of influence.
Economy isn't zero sum, and people can be thankful to you to do something in your interest.
The new cold war is already there, it's not a matter to avoid it. But to survive it.
We should aim to actually build peace.
We overthrew a government in Pakistan and installed one we preferred. The government we installed just authorized China to build their largest naval base outside of China on the Pakistan coast. Look at a map and tell me how this isn't a problem. Interesting how little the media is covering it. Disturbingly interesting.
Ah ha. Lol Xi. You all are funny. Controlled by who though
Someones giving Xi bad looks? 3.5 billion Chinese that desire freedom
😂 guantanamo bay?
Fyi this is an old interview for anyone wondering
I don't agree with everything Elon says, but he's brilliant. I kind of agree with his foundation of economics. I'd argue that even more than economics, it is control over resources. Then you write your own checks. Win the battle of resources and it never gets to economics because to exploit resources, it takes money. An old adage is that an army marches on its stomach. Where resources come into this is that an automated army doesn't have stomachs, but does have energy needs, which leads back to controlling resources. The US did this brilliantly with the CIA and the shell companies it set up when the old USSR had certain elements the US needed. That is really how the SR-71 came into being. We managed to control resources we didn't have to leverage a technology to start a physical war before it started. It is as much about strategy and patience as it is force and money..... and even more important I'd argue. With Taiwan, China ultimately wants the resources to produce microchips. That obviously has vast economic benefit. To get to the economics portion of it, China has to have unrestricted access to the resources. Find a way to deny the resource, and the next step of economics doesn't happen. It is about recognizing where there will be a fire and wetting the ground and removing all the fuel for a fire before it can start. It is a proactive, not a reactive approach.
Hes hidding something
Okay so i dont think we (america) would have a problem with china if they weren't running talking about how they will replace america as the dominant super power and mainly the expansionist ways dictatorships are so well known for .. that is the issue
See, rules of war is a strategic advantage.
I love elon for being excessable to anyone
You mean "accessible"
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ELON SAID IT RIGHT CHINESE PEOPLE IS HARD WORKING AND NOT LAZY. NOTHING IS GIVING OUT THERE USA PEOPLE ONLY WANT WANT COMPLAIN AND LAZY.
That is why in Age of Empire 4 China has a boost in construction speed!
Chinese people speaks speaks lot in internets
So they routed them by Allah’s leave and David slew Goliath; and Allah gave him the kingdom and wisdom, and taught him of that which He willeth. And if Allah had not repelled some men by others the earth would have been corrupted. But Allah is a Lord of Kindness to (His) creatures. {2:251 Qur'an}
China's infrastructure is more impressive than in the US because is newer. China was very poor only 40 years ago, so everything is brand new and more modern. But that does not make them greater, just newer. The advent of AI and intelligent robots will define the future of America, and the Chinese will have to prove their worth not just by having a massive and cheaper labor force since that will be taken over by robots in the US, Europe, and elsewhere.
I see many American trying to go all in to AI to save your self's from this China competition, I don't know what you tell you guys man, American got it self it this position is not just because china has lots of cheap labors, because everything in America is falling apart. Can't you build new infrastructure in span of 40 years time, you should right, the moment you realize those American infrastructure is the way it is todays is because not one part failed, because American system has many build in checks and balances that makes sure each part is working. What happen to America today is a SYSTEMATIC Failure, where all parts of the system is falling to do its job. This is not something that can simply be fix but having AI. In fact if American adopted a Competent AI system I think it would be a disaster for the American people, Because if the AI can do your job better than you, what do they need you for?
In a tug of war match China’s greatest strength is its ability to pull together.
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Ask abu graib and Guantánamo pows
China is not acquisitive? Look at Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang province.
They are parts of China since ancient times 🎉 (classic answer)
Musk is not tottaly wrong... China never colonized any countries across the sea.
they are part of china from Qing Dynasty, what do you want to say? let the speratists make the country apart? in your dream.
US is not acquisitive? Free Hawaii Free New Mexico
Look at a map of the qing empire.
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There is a small chance that USA can avoid war with China, USA/allies would need to reduce china economy as much as possible, and support nearby countries nearby first before china as well.
So War is inevitable,since Chinese have the right and will for a better life
Well that is exactly what they're doing already, especially if Trump wins as he wants to reindustrialize America.
Chinese economy depends on exports, and that is dying. Their economy is slowing.
Nobody cares about Elon musks opinion
Did he say China will be 2-3 times the US size? Seems unlikely given current trajectories.
yup! Printing money, raising benchmark interest rates, fiscal deficits, phony numbers games🤤
Can they triple ... their percapita in the future from current $12.000 to 20.000-36.000?is nett growth to 36.000 easy,hard,doable? Population increase is the worst way to increase a country GDP. There are many ways to increase it
@@andia968 I mean sure it’s possible, but it’s going to be very hard with the population aging China is experiencing. Chinese GDP road a demographic wave and globalization/trade. It’s population has peaked and is rapidly aging, and the relationships with its biggest trading partners are breaking down. China appears set for a Japanese strike lost decade based on the real estate market. That seems like a much more likely outcome then 2-3x GDP going forward.
@@后宫后 yes China does print a lot of money…
@@davidradtke160 very true, just in four years they've printed like 8-11 trillion dollars. Haven't they???
Could ?
😂😂
8:07 what French army?
Ya, lots of French soldiers fled to UK after the Nzi takeover and later participated in DDay landing. They reconstituted their forces as the Allies were advancing and some of their divisions were instrumental in liberating many regions or cities in France.
Elon Musk proved himself to be no friend of the United States. He lost our respect.
How so?
@@stevefranseen1905 google it
Who are you? and what has Musk done to you?
Wait China is not acquisitive…then how did they get so big? Like they took Tibet, Inner Mongolia…they want Tiawan…they claim the whole South China Sea…hhhmmm
Difference is that they are reacquiring lands they have consider theirs for centuries!
All Tibet ,inner Mongolia ,Taiwan are territories of China in Qing Dynasty (1616-1911), you had better read more history books about China.
You are ignorant yet assuming the rest needs to be notified? Lol
It's about time you read news outside of the western media before you are fully brainwashed.
This dude clearly skipped all of his history classes in grade school...😂😂😂...the mere mentioning of "Inner Mongolia" had me ROFL 'cause the idiot probably thinks it's part of Mongolia that Communist China took over and occupied by force, not knowing that ALL of Mongolia has been a part of China since the Yuan dynasty under Kubla Khan in the 13th Century. In fact, modern day China only retracted in size by losing Outer Mongolia to the Soviets as a buffer zone between the two powers after WW2.
Elon lier.
Well every man has a dream
And for lying to me. Well my father will deal with that same as with the othershit you steped out of his shadow again. That is not my fault. And now your on your own same as i have been. Gods speed. Yall Late
Take over the world. Pft. Roflmao
There can be only one. And your both liars fallen from Gods Grace. And your thoughts are of overtaking the planet. WEIRD
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ELON SAID IT RIGHT CHINESE PEOPLE IS HARD WORKING AND NOT LAZY. NOTHING IS GIVING OUT THERE USA PEOPLE ONLY WANT WANT COMPLAIN AND LAZY.
AND HOW DID USA BECOME A SUPERPOWE IF THEY'RE LAZY? BLAME THE USA FOR LETTING EVERYONE OPEN THE MOUTH AND POUR NONESENSE EVERYWHERE
Slaves were all hard workers.