Buying a Cheap Mercedes ML63 AMG Sight Unseen Gone Wrong
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ธ.ค. 2022
- We bought this RARE 2011 Mercedes ML63 AMG Sight Unseen at the salvage auction for CHEAP and it was probably a big mistake. It was totaled for unknown reasons and seems to have a serious engine issue. What could go wrong with a cheap old 500HP AMG? We go for the first drive and try to DIY fix the problem for cheap.
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It's the Camshaft Adjusters, there is a pin that wears the hole it's suppose to stay in till commanded to release to adjust valve timing, there is four of them, the intake ones are worn the worst. there are rebuild kits for them, replace timing chain tensioners too.
Also swap the lifters with the more robust SLS ones, and replace the head bolts "while you are in there".
the cam gears should also be replaced
100% R. Weaver & Gannicus 102. Hopefully they watch a couple of Tasos Moschatos’ videos and see it’s not a terrible job, just a bit expensive to fix the top end on these.
Adjusters, lifters and head bolts. Do it all, and it will run forever. Trust me
The variable cam adjuster plates are worn. This pin hole gets worn and causes this till you get oil pressure. Its a known issue on those motors. Its not too hard to fix either. Sounds like more than one on your motor, there are four. 63motorsports sells the repair kits.
So basically with the AMG you've done whats called a classic Hoovie purchase😂
Thinking that when this started
Roemu TT Well, it made Hoovie rich so .....
Hydraulic lifters will tick if they sit for a long time because the pressure from the cam forces the oil out of the lifter until the oil pumps back in. If the tick contuses, than it is likely the cam shaft ware problem the m156 engine is known for. The aggressive cam lobes with soft materials combined with extended oil change service intervals did not help. The good news is the ML was not likely pushed as hard in driving as many of the C63 cars and tend to survive longer over the years. A tip on cold start is to let the idle drop before you move the car as the 20 seconds or so will let the oil circulate more before you put load on the engine. The M156 engine was AMG's first designed engine and they were also using some tricks from the racing side of the company. They likely got bit on reliability when going for performance. Recommend oil - 0W40 or 5W40 synthetic - 08' ml63 owner.
63MotorSports sells the cam adjuster backing plates and they are awesome....it is a $500 job for a DIY guy and only takes about 2hrs to get done. Spend the extra $200 and replace the headbolts 1 at a time while youre doing the cam plates and you will be bulletproof!!!! Great purchase
A little ML trivia. This model here is the W164 ML 63 which was in production from 2006-2011. The first makeover came in 2009 with a new front and rear bumper and an upgraded command. The 2010 model were exactly the same as 2009 with ONE exception. When ordered new, you had the option to purchase the optional 10 anniversary package, since 2010 was 10 years since the ML 55 came out. With that 10 anniversary package you got a two tone upholstery and the power domes on the hood (So 2011 isnt the only model year with the domes). The domes were actually borrowed from the ML 45O hybrid which needed them for practical reason because of the hybrid tech under the hood, Those ML 450 were lease only and were disassembled by MB which is why none of them exist on the road today. The 2011 model saw a minor makeover with the power domes on the hood standard and new mirror designs. Bumpers are the same as 2009 and 10 models. Engine obviously stayed the same throughout 06-11.
Then came the W166 ML 63 in 2012 which ran till 2015 until MB decided to streamline their lineup names and renamed the w166 ML 63 the GLE 63, with some updates of course. But in terms of Naturally aspirated V8 on an SUV this was the last on the ML 63
cam adjusters, the hole where the pins sit are worn out, common issue on the 6.2 m156
63motorsports sells the repair plate kits.
Also you can hear some lifters ticking. The engine is actually solid, theres aftermarket support for the adjuster plates/pins where you can repair them fairly cheap and upgrade those plates so that they don't run into the sound ever again. The lifters are probably worn out along with the shafts, should be replaced - they should use the new lifters with the coating then the engine should run super smooth and with full power again. Another thing I'd recommend is to check if the bedplate is losing oil. Those are all the known issues of the M156
Chain ?
It would be a great idea to check fluids before starting. Lol. If you can’t do that, then change the fluid to make sure you are not damaging anything by starting it.
Love that exhaust sound! I love what you guys are doing and to see that not all buys come out positive, just real!
The 12 days idea is fantastic.
It needs timing chain kit + tensioners with all the cam adjusters while you're in there
Cam shaft adjusters for sure. Repair kits are available and it's does not cost that much money to fix it.
I hope you double your profits this coming year. Greatly enjoy your content.
Do not overlook the camshaft adjuster plates - get aftermarket ones from 63 Motorsports! You could purchase four plates for the price of one camshaft adjuster. I have one of these myself.
Wow incredible purchase I just have a 06 dodge charger I want to swap a 6.0L out of a Silverado into it
Had a 2013 ML 63 AMG for 2 years, was sweet when it wasn't on the rack :X. Cylinder 5, check engine screwed me for 20k in repairs.
This is wild. I literally am looking at this car on Facebook marketplace right now lmao. The exact car! Not just another ml63 but that exact one
Timing chain tensioner on the outside of the motor
Sounds like cam plates to me. Its a known issue on that motor till you get oil pressure.
Thats What i think the chain needs replacement
Yes timing chain needs replacement and tensioner possibly chain guides
and do NOT cut off the resonators!!!!! Leave them in place and remove the back boxes(rear mufflers).....The resonators are what make the 6.2 really raspy and crisp, removing the back boxes just makes THAT raspy AMG pop that much "pop-ier"
I had an ML that sounded exactly like this. Fuel injectors were the culprit.
Can you just run a tank of gas with a cleaner in it or did the injectors require service? Worst case replacing injectors is not a big problem.
That's super odd - because any M156 suffers from broken adjusters, worn camshafts and lifter ticking. Those are actually the main issues with those engines. And you can clearly hear the adjudster-rattling and the lifter-ticking in the start up.
@@matteiasm.3618 I don't have one but I'm curious. Thinking about replacing my aging daily with one of these or a older Cayenne. Are the cam and cam adjuster problems fixable without a total engine rebuild? What might that cost? Ballpark is fine.
That tapping noise that went away was a stuck lifter, that happens a lot on the m156. A short drive fixes it ysually
100% camshaft adjusters issues very common on m156
What site do you list these cars for sale- I've looked at most of your linked pages- I don't see the resale of the cars anywhere- lived in AZ for lots of years, I wouldn't mind being a buyer and flying out and driving a vehicle like this home
My car sounds just like that so what exactly did u put in it. What products? And I see u didn’t drain that sea foam alternative you put in
I love how you just add oil and most of the problems go away.
Its actually not the last ml63 and this one you guys have might be a 2009 version
2009 models did not come with Blind Spot Assist... it's a 2011.
Yes, they’re wrong as a 2015 is the last ML63 but this is def a 2011
I suspect they meant final year of the 6.2L ML63, in 2012 the switched to the 5.4L motor (maybe)
Cam adjusters and lifters definitely, possibly intake cams will need replacement. Looking at 4k,ish in parts.
Did he just say they’ve never checked the oil on this car!? 🙆🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️…
Another video? Awesome!
Sounds like a chain tensioner?
That's the timing chains hitting the tensioners and guides that sound you hearing
old AMGs are such sleepers they're great
Muy bueno chicos!
This one might be a contender for the head bolts that like to snap
That would be right when they figured that problem out. I was disappointed by the limp shift during the pull - but it might be that I'm comparing to a 2013 C63.
Pretty sure they upgraded the head bolts from 2010 onwards because of failure problems? These motors were using a bucket/shim for valve clearance, not sure with the 2011 model? Could be a case of re-shimming ?
@@tonykelly6087 No, they don't. They use hydraulic lifters. No adjustment necessary.
Definitely cam phasers very come issues originals can be repaired
I LOVE these MLs I had a 02 55
Valve lifter/pushrod issue perhaps
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8:17 the Bently why is on the trailer
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What size rims are those, please let me know!!!!
I've never seen you 2 check the oil before starting the engine That's the1st thing you check guys
Please please please do more content with this ML63. I own the same car and barely any video on it
Camshaft adjusters and your lifters are ticking when warm
What happened with car and the next cold start did Lucas heavy oil solved the problem
I think it has problem with engine oil one way valve... Cause not enough oil at cylinder head...
My 2011 Lincoln Navigator did the same thing for a few months till the timing completely went on it
Timing chain tensioner.
It sounds like the cam adjusters
It sounds like the timing chain is stretched and rubbing harder on the plastic guides
Camshaft had the same noises before
Timing chain slap?
Gents, that is a sweet car. Hope the noise resolution isn't reduculously $$$.
This is the legit last AMG made. M156 and M159 are the best engines.
The noise will come back when cold start the cam adjustment plates need replacement
I LOVE that ML63 ❤
Time ing chain???
Timing chain, tensioner slap
If you can get it running good for less than 10k I think it’s a good deal
Mercs used to be always badged up as 63s because in Germany when there is a decimal point they always round up the engine has 6.208 litres hence the badge was 63 as it was rounded up
It was also to point to the classic late 60's 6.3L used in the 600 and the 300SEL.
When you wanna buy for a good price Mercedes Cars, you can buy also Meredes G-Wagen by a army auction. Many Army's use G-Wagen, like Germany,Austria, Switzerland, Canada.
Timing chain guides
Time for collab with legitstreetcars ?? Would be a huge win for both…? 🎉🎉😊
Questionable win, if you can repair engine for the parts only then yes, else no…chain tensioners oil pressure driven, headbolts..
Piston slap?
Guarantee it's the camshaft adjusters.
Hi bros,
A friend of mine owns the latest version of a GLS AMG would should followed up the ML model as far as I know. It’s a beast of a car similar to what the ML was at that time. The only thing is that the ML was with an V8 out of the period that nobody took care about the petrol consumption as well as and the CO2 emission. The latest model is much more economical and the electric version is even cheaper than the petrol version with us because it has to be ordered specially
That noise are the cam adjusters they are going bad and by the way it sounds it’s really bad you will Need to change them ASAP ! Not cheap to fix… If you don’t the engine will explode !! Great looking car though and a good deal I would say.
This will look excellent once it’s properly detailed and cleaned up.
If it doesn’t have a serious / expensive motor problem, then u have definitely got a great deal, and a lot of car for what u paid.
NA 6.2 V8. 👍
We call them the vanos the timing chain holders on the top of the engine they make this noice with first start and then nothing
Never been so blue balled in my life than with those Porsche vids
Timing chain slap replace timing chain and tensioners, or keep driving it and grenade the moter then replace it
WRONG. Please leave the diagnosis to the experienced M156 owners on here. Cam phase adjuster locking pin failure. Easy fix and cheap with aftermarket kit.
Your mate's wrong about the wheels. Those are the standard wheels from the later W166 ML63 (2014).
Seems like a decent deal to me 👍 why do you think it was a big mistake??
Clearly you dont understand how the TH-cam title algorithm works
that was a fast 11-minute video
Its the chain pusher in the side of the engine
Camshaft Adjusters Wear Problem : rebuild kit or change them or upgrade them
Cam phasers
Can anybody tell me what the products they use to fix the tapping sound ?
@@MaksimIzer huh?
I would like to have another ML63 AMG I loved them, I smoke Dodge Demon and Corvette Z06 to this M156 engine just install black series supercharged from mercedes-benz it will boost up another couple 200hp.
Timing chain tensioner is what’s wrong
Dream beast
This was the trackhawk back in the day
Its chain rattle, leave it in the on position for 15 to 20 seconds before turning it over. It may help.
That’s a myth. It’s hydraulic turning a key doesn’t not start hydraulic processes.
@@jasonp621 sounds like the starter doing something werid
Servus, das ist die Steuerkette! Liebe Grüße aus Deutschland ;)
Cam phasers need to be replaced.
Why, why take a quiet car and make it loud? Its my biggest pet peeve with the car community. I want my car to walk softly but carry a big stick. Love my EV Mustang.
Straight pipe with headers. You'll keep it
My neighbour has a 2015 ml63, must be a US Thing where theres none above 2011
This M156 engines had major problems from the factory
I’m pretty sure that ML3 Mercedes car was a mistake. But I think if you guys change the belt, the car should run better and if not, maybe it has to do with the brake fluid. But I’m pretty sure just because it’s thirds up horribly that’s probably why I got auctioned off.
Loose timing chain needs replacing
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I saw a white galardo
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Do you need a dealers license to buy cars at salvage auctions and if so are they easy to get?
depends on your state, you pay less in fees with dealer license tho. Ya its pretty easy to buy auction, just check out your cars in person. AZ doesnt require dealers license
No
@7:49 Bentley for the next video?
Hey you should most definitely sell this to legit street cars he was considering one of these to supercharge and he can fix this easily!!
Agree, Alex is the guy to fix this!!
Buy 63motorsports stage II and everything is fine.
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I have no clue. As I said in a different comment, "If I look at a dealership from the street, the police are called." You're paying for a name plate. The history of the name plate, not this particular vehicle.
Keep the ML63 and mod it 😂