@Jacob Votava yes! That is what I did. The quality of education of my community college, Valencia in Orlando, FL, was excellent. I was close to many of my professors and they were very supportive and engaging in the classes. I then transferred to University of Central Florida and got my bachelors. Valencia was all paid for and only 10,000 in debt to finish at UCF. Paid off my debt last summer only two years after graduating and got a great job. Follow this path.
It should be illegal to use a federal loan a for a for profit school. These schools are expensive scams, I try all the time to warn away my fellow Veterans from throwing away their GI Bill on these scams. When I first ETS'd from the Army, I was constantly hounded by these schools, luckily I had enough experience with higher ed to choose a State School instead.
The scary thing aboutthese for profit schools is that they're allowed to give presentations at high school. i remember we had a careers class in high school to let us have time to research and think about what career we wanted. At least once a week we had a presentation from a for profit school.
I must have been lucky. The high school I went to actually excluded for profit colleges from presenting in the school. We had presentations from California State University system, and the University of California system as well as campus tours for the community college and those university systems.
That's because public school is a total scam. Not only was it set up by the govt to dumb down society, it brainwashes us from preschool to 12th grade to believe we NEED a college degree to make it in life. They work with the colleges to get the kids to sign up with them. That's why they invite the colleges to their school.
because it is deceptive and ILLEGAL to lie to students scam them and then penalize them for illegal and unethical practices that is WHY --they get away with such scumbag low life tactics because of people who think like YOU !
Because people in gov who let it happen are corrupt, Trump University was a scam, "everyone has a price" is the saying. You pay people what they want and you can do whatever you want like scam thousands of poor people, veterans, and single mothers (that's their main targets because they qualify for federal aid) you can even pay high schools to let for-profit colleges do presentations there
Back in early 2010, I had a temporary job with a company located right near the ITT Tech King of Prussia, PA campus. I was talking to this young girl who was 23 then. She had just come from an appointment there, and she wanted to take up criminal justice there. I asked her if she signed any papers yet and she said no. Since she lived in Delaware County, PA, I suggested that she go to Delaware County Community College instead. Students who go there can transfer to a four-year college or university. And prospective employers will recognize their degree.
Years ago I went to a computer school for a free aptitude test I received in the mail. When I got there the recruiter started asking me a bunch of question one of which was "Do you ever want to get married or have kids?" I said no and he instantly tried to make me feel guilty about that trying to make me feel an obligation to attend his school. What he didn't realize was I was not a kid coming out of high school. WE debated the "Kid" item back and forth and I told him I was aware of what he was trying to do in the way of a hard sell. I took the test and was told flat out I did not pass. Relieved I left shaking my head. A few weeks later he called me and asked if I was still interested in attending. Laughing I told him over the phone that he didn't make his student quota and told him he had the IQ of a bag of rocks. Just wanted to share my humorous story of schools like this.
Omg, I can't understand how even students would fall for such rude behavior by these unprofessional recruiters. I mean, who asks questions like that? I got in contact with a few for-profit colleges when I didn't know anything about them at first. One was offering a dentist assistant certification for 50,000.
I got curious and looked them up online and found all these bad reviews on them. I used that to judge the schools in my area afterwards and luckily I didn't sign up for any for-profit.
Why would a school recruiter ask you if you want to get married and have kids? That's none of his business! And that has nothing to do with whether or not you qualify for admission to any school. Plus, it's an invasion of your privacy as well. Thank God you didn't pass the test to get into that school.
Apply for jobs at colleges where you want admission for undergraduate/graduate programs or are currently attending. If you get hired then you may get free or reduced tuition = Employee benefits package. During your Bachelor's degree, ask if you can use some Master’s degree courses to satisfy requirements towards your Bachelor’s degree (some programs allow this).
***** That is absolute bulllshit. For-profit schools target Vets (like me) just cheat them out of their GI Bill money. One of the biggest problems veterans have with education being coned by for-profit schools by paying for degrees that are useless. ITT Tech has lower standards for their grads and offer only community college education (if that) at a university price. Also classes in the tech fields are easy to get at a community college, and transferable, and cost 1/5 that ITT does.
For what ITT Tech charged for tuition, you're better off going to one of the Ivy League schools that charge that much in tuition for one year. You can also go to a two-year community college and then transfer on to a four-year college or university. Or you can go to a four-year state college or university. Either way, an employer will recognize your degree.
Here is a little quick math. $1.3 billion in revenue with over 60,000 students. That comes out to $21,666 per student. The federal Stafford loans annual maximum is $20,500. Isn't it convenient that the tuition for ITT tech just HAPPENS to be almost the same as the maximum amount of student loans you can get from the government. Who here thinks that tuition wouldn't "magically" increase by $5K if the federal student loan maximum increased by $5K.
It's best to start off at a community college if you're low on funds. I went to a traditional college but did the masters at a for profit because I liked the concept of doing school online but in the end it turns out to be too expensive and people may not give your degree the same weight as a traditional school. I just say stay away. They're in it for the money.
From my parents and my teachers throughout high school, college was shoved down my throat as the best way to have a successful life.... Nobody ever had a conversation about choosing the right college or even the right degree.... Just choose what you are passionate about and make any sacrifice necessary. Once you get that college degree, everything else will take care of itself. Painting the picture as COLLEGE GRADUATE OR BUST was part of the problem growing up in the 80s and 00s. I'm glad today's students are being shown alternative paths to the traditional 4 year route. It's not for everyone.
Damm $48,000 for an Associate Degree in IT Tech, I spend $0 in community college to get my AA because the tuition is way cheaper that financial aid pays for.
Sadly, the traditional universities are not much better....they are rapidly increasing enrollments, increasing tuition to extortion levels, adding non-sense fees for no good reason, charging excessive amounts if you overload (trying to finish quicker and save), and providing little real value in return. Universities have been enabled by professional licensing organizations, which require degrees before they will give you a license to practice...in order to maintain the higher salaries of their current practitioners. If you aren't going to university for a lab science, you are being over-charged and getting little of intrinsic value in return.
i agree. I went to a traditional school and there were some classes I could have skipped as they gave me no value in my real life career. Plus I has a teacher for one class that could barely speak English. Plus a lot of the programs at traditional universities need to be revamped in order to prepare people for an increasingly cutting edge workplace.
@@thebestcentaur Not really. The only schools that give you a "leg up" like that are the Ivy League schools and a couple in the second tier like the University of Chicago, Northwestern, Berkeley, Stanford, Williams, UVA, the College of William and Mary and Duke. Nearly all of these, excepting four, are expensive private universities.
People get scammed because they want something easy. A good con artists knows that if he can offer you a front (I'm bettering myself, I just want to help,etc) while at the same time scratching your real desire (big money for little work) you are a prime target to be conned
Sean ur an idiot. I attended a for profit college and it was so tough many students dropped out the first year. Those who stayed worked their asses off for their degree.
i don't agree. How do people know that the college will be easy or quick. How do people know they won't get a good education when these places are everywhere. I can see it they tried to get a degree through the mail but if they go to class and take a curriculum than how do they know? It should be the job of society to expose these schools.
@@karaa5902 Oh come on, these people couldn't even look up how much jobs even pay. I've seen this many times before. I have met people who went to University for 7 years and didn't know they couldn't get rid of student loans off bankruptcy. I've heard them..."Oh my Professor said I will make 98K when I graduate". I look it up in 8 seconds and the average salary is 32k.
As a college graduate (Ohio State) that did not attend college until later in my life, I was tempted by many of these "for profit" college programs, but I always looked at them rather skeptically. The truth about these things is much more nuanced. What I have seen when it came to hiring people from these kinds of schools is that there are a wide range of results that people can get from these types of educational opportunities, and they mostly depend on the individual. As many have mentioned in these comments, these schools seem to attract people that are looking for something "easier" than a traditional college experience, AND these schools will take just about anyone that applies. Combine that with programs that rely a lot on self-guidance, and you have a recipe for high failure/drop-out rates and lots and lots of disillusioned former "students". Any kind of higher education takes personal commitment, and it is a LOT of work. In my own experience as someone that has worked with and even HIRED people from these schools, I've seen that some people really take advantage of everything these programs offer and came away with much needed technical job skills and experiences that, in many cases, their traditional bachelor's degrees never provided. There is something to be said for having a very focused, specialized technical education. What is really sad about this to me is that the overall credibility of these institutions has really suffered, much by their own doing, but also because so many people did not stay true to their own commitment to their own education when they enrolled in these programs . That credibility loss means that what might have been a good educational option for some people, and is truly an important part of our educational system mix in this country, is forever tainted. Several things contribute to this - Ignorance on the part of the students (much of which is understandable and forgivable, and could even be chalked up to naiveté), Laziness on the part of the students (much of which is unfortunate, but not "forgivable" in the sense of laying blame) and greed and deception on the part of the institutions - none of which is really forgivable. I want to add that my own bachelor's degree from an actual brick and mortar school has not exactly led to amazing job opportunities either, it's kind of a base-level litmus test for some jobs, but almost all of the "technical requirements" of these jobs really depend on job experience, self-education, or additional training that traditional college just doesn't provide.
i agree. I went to a traditional college and got my degree. It did not lead to me making loads of money. And many traditional colleges do not offer the types of cutting edge degrees that might get you to a higher level. I was looking for a hospital administration program in my area and could not find a traditional college that offered one. That might be another reason why people get lured in. Also the convenience of going online but now more traditional schools are offering this.
I would argue that it takes money to make money, but at the rate that we're giving these sorts of "colleges" money, we might as well try a free college. I went to ITT, and not only do they let anyone in, they let just about anyone graduate. The instructors are graded on how many students pass, which CAN be a good thing, but when there is no oversight, it becomes a matter of getting more students to pass rather than passing students who've actually done the work and have the skills to graduate.
Non-profits get a lot of revenue from research grants, donations from alumni, and if they're public they also get federal and state appropriations. Sure, the students still have to pay a bill, but it's not nearly to the level of for-profits.
Christopher Gerstle Exactly, therefore they make more money than the the for profit schools. Furthermore, as a result of the research grants, donations, and federal appropriations, the dean comes out making about a billion dollars a year. My friend, its the same scam just a different way of getting the $$$.
Phuc Yu Average Salary of a 4-year state university president is $450 thousand while the average salary of the presidents of the 100 wealthiest private 4-year non-profit colleges is $425 thousand. Average salary of a for-profit college CEO is $6 million.
Phuc Yu Also, as non-profit organizations under 501(c)3 of the US Tax Code, traditional universities are not allowed to earn a profit. Any surplus revenue generated by the organization must be spent on expansion or improvement of the organization's mission or they risk losing their tax exempt status. They have no owners or shareholders. They have a board of trustees who run the organization (and do not receive any compensation) and hire employees to carry out certain functions beneficial to the mission of the board. For-profits, on the other hand, operate like a corporation which can keep any surplus revenue as profit and distribute that money to shareholders. Instead of a board of trustees they have shareholders who can take money out of the school and keep for themselves (and at for-profit colleges, the profit margin is insanely big). Never try to make the claim that traditional (aka real) universities are anything like the con-artists that for-profits are. Traditional universities are non-profit organizations that serve a public good while for-profits are money making organizations with no goal other than earn its owners profit.
Christopher Gerstle I am biased because I attend a for-profit school. However, my siblings did not. My brother went to Berkeley, sister to SDSU and other sister to UCR. They all got careers in the field they chose, I myself attend the UofP. Although the school is a for-profit campus, the education I received also got me a career in the field I chose. Bottom line, whether you attend a for-profit or non, as long as you accomplished the goal you set out for, then the experience was a positive one. My siblings by the way are still in debt, and will be for many, many years, I on the other hand not only received a Bachelors Degree, but also owe very little to the campus as my veterans benefits took care of the tab.
Carson, CA Kaplan/Maric College Vocational college targeted and identified my pain point. These colleges wont help you once you graduated with, you get no access for the career resource center. I cant pay this load :( I am pretty self sufficient and even then they wont help you with job leads, my vocational college got shut down in 2007, now in Modesto , CA this school will eventually get shut down too, hopefully if the government finds out about all this fraudulent activity. Modesto, CA states they can not work with me now, they say I am not a graduate of the Modesto ,CA location. This is plain wrong and I am stuck with a loan, they have always rejected my inquiries.
1) Price - 20K to non-profit or 20K to profit school (S), what's the difference to YOU? 2) Value - there are non-profit Ss that charge more than most for-profit Ss, how do you determine if you get what you pay for 3) Caveat Emptor - the complexity of financial aid paperwork is universal, just read it. the fact if if you don't like it you won't get it, THAT'S WHY NO ONE READS IT 4) Opportunity - no one is forced to go to any school above HS, you pick what you want (see part 2 )
So that lady who signed the contract said she didn't know what she was signing and that ITT rep didn't make it clear what she was signing. She should have taken time to read the contract to figure out what's at stake. If she can't or won't read the contract, then she has no business enrolling especially in this for profit college. The responsibility is on her. Best to stick with community college and state run university and avoid these scam for profit colleges whose degrees are seen as worthless by employers.
If you attended a for-profit college, amassed a mountain of debt and have a useless degree-you should be voting for JILL STEIN! She is the ONLY candidate serious about helping student who have been hoodwinked by such institutions! JILL STEIN 2016!
Please only accept subsidized loans (accumulates interest AFTER graduation). Try to avoid unsubsidized loans (accumulates interest Everyday and After graduation). Deduct interest from taxes. Please avoid out-of-state tuition, private student loans, and for-profit colleges like Everest and ITT Tech. Take courses at community colleges (they are legit). To get more aid, prove struggles of parents (or yourself) to financial aid office: Foreclosure, repossession, bankruptcy, debt settlements, separation, divorces, death, new child, hospitalization, unemployment, reduction in income, food stamps, failure to pay taxes, wage garnishment, incarcerations, terminal illness or condition, etc. Choose credit unions. Banks are for-profit. Do not drop out of college = Less likely to repay debts.
When you are a business owner without a college degree people tell you, you're going to fail, you aren't going to make it anywhere, and you are shamed for wanting to be an inventor. If you become successful people think very highly of you but we need to stop shaming people who don't have college degrees
I work in the For Profit Sector as a Director ...For Profits have profit Not For Profits have operational surpluses. If you've sat on an NFP Board, you'll know profit is a big driver for NFP's as well. ...Comp plans for Boards and Senior Managers for NFP's? off the charts, in the 1% ...Associate Degree: Graduation Rate proprietary School, 62.5%, Not For Profits 18%, Would you send your kid to a school with a 1/5 chance of completing? ...Retort will be rigour: Proprietary Schools are part of Accrediting bodies such as ABHES, ACICS, ACCET etc. THey also comply to State Consumer Protection Agencies. Whats the rigour for Community Colleges? The answer will be interesting... ...Placement rates. Proprietary Schools need to place 65% of grads into appropriate employment or they get in trouble. NFP's? The 18% that graduate, to each his own, no accountability. Meh. ...Profit Schools have small class sizes, tutors, compressed scheduling, getting folks working in far less a time period than many Community Colleges the above costs money, teacher ratios, placement experts, counselors etc, thus in part the higher prices... If FFPs were held to the same regulatory standards, most would be gone. With all of the media hype and scrutiny of the thousands of proprietary schools, only a handful are in trouble. THere are thousands that do a great job... I can't stand the mis information nor the two faced commentary
+Jeffrey Ladrae Williams Excellent observation presented with real facts. Dan Rather is rather misleading in this story, and many on here are responding, not based on actual numbers and facts, but on the very well emotion based stories of very anecdotal information.
AHHHHHH, she took a buyout from Chrysler in 2008. I missed that little nugget. So basically she had an amazing job in the auto industry and took a 70k buyout and now she's fallen flat on her face. Incredibly poor decision by her.
Back then in 2008, no one was even sure if Chrysler was still gonna be around. If you weren't sure you were gonna have a job and they offered you that kind of money to leave, what would you do?
Blue Collar They have been pulling that "we might not be around" stuff for decades to workers to get them to leave. The 98% that were smart enough to not take them are still working there.
Yeah, but back in 2008 they really were on the verge of going out of business. Maybe she took a buyout before the bailout? Chrysler workers were on pins and needles back in 2008. That was the worst economy since the depression here in the Detroit area.
I work in the For Profit Sector ...For Profits have profit Not For Profits have operational surpluses. If you've sat on an NFP Board, you'll know profit is a big driver for NFP's as well. ...Comp plans for Boards and Senior Managers for NFP's? off the charts, in the 1% ...Associate Degree: Graduation Rate proprietary School, 62.5%, Not For Profits 18%, Would you send your kid to a school with a 1/5 chance of completing? ...Retort will be rigour: Proprietary Schools are part of Accrediting bodies such as ABHES, ACICS, ACCET etc. THey also comply to State Consumer Protection Agencies. Whats the rigour for Community Colleges? The answer will be interesting... ...Placement rates. Proprietary Schools need to place 65% of grads into appropriate employment or they get in trouble. NFP's? The 18% that graduate, to each his own, no accountability. Meh. ...Profit Schools have small class sizes, tutors, compressed scheduling, getting folks working in far less a time period than many Community Colleges the above costs money, teacher ratios, placement experts, counselors etc, thus in part the higher prices... If FFPs were held to the same regulatory standards, most would be gone. With all of the media hype and scrutiny of the thousands of proprietary schools, only a handful are in trouble. THere are thousands that do a great job... I can't stand the mis information nor the two faced commentary
Gregg Meiklejohn I go to UOP and i can tell you that in some cases students don't do the extra things that can help them get employment like certs related to their field and like some NFP students expect that the degree alone will land them a job; it's gonna take more than that. I also doubt that some of these students who did not have a good outcome are not telling the complete story. I've even seen some UOP grads go to schools like UCLA,CMU,Tulane,Penn state and Harvard for master degrees and finish. In many cases from what I've seen and read it's not always the school it is the student and how determined they are. I think that non-profits and for-profits should face the same level of scrutiny.
You work in the For-profit sector? Then clearly you know about the worst predatory offenders. They mislead about pricing, commit fraud, abuse, and leave veterans with unaccredited degrees. I'm making a documentary on the subject. Perhaps you would grant me an interview. I take it easy on you, but everything will be on the record. I suggest you find a different line of work...
One side? By what do you mean sir? These for-profit oligarchs have stolen the American college education system through their tobacco ads. The DOJ, CFPB, ED, and FTC does not investigate things lightly. One sided? It has been that way for far too long. So suck it up, and take it like a man. Your schools are scams. And everyone knows it.
Dagingregh Sir i mean't a balanced view but from what you just told me your documentary is not going to do that. Yes i went a a for profit and working on a MSIT from CMU not everyone who goes to a for-profit has a bad outcome like you presume them to do. I won't defend UOP but i will say that many of the things they accuse for profits of also occur at non-profits as well. Also while your at it try contacting this man for an interview: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schmidt Students have equal responsibility don't blame not being able to find work all on the school.
5) Performance - 90% of students go to college because they believe the opportunity will lead to more income. When you go to S you expect to graduate with a specific degree that will enable you to work in a specific field relevant to your course work, let's call that 'in-field employment'. As it turns out the smaller for-profit Ss have far better performance than the larger profit or non profit Ss for ex: Plum, Auto mechanic, HVAC, truck driving, barber Ss all have high performance
Financial aid goes with accreditation (A), so if a school looses it's A then their students lose their ability to get financial aid. Without fin aid the school would go out of business. I know of a non-profit STATE school in FL that lost their accreditation for about a year. You talk about scary, I'm sure the students there at that time were terrorized. The univ of Phoenix is the largest school in the US, all because of the internet, they are younger than ITT, Harvard, and all state schools
It's amazing how they show graduates of hard to place majors such as criminal justice and Arts never heard stories about programming majors being unemployed regardless of wether they graduated from a non profit or for profit institutions
I took programming at ITT Tech. It is a black mark on a resume and it isn't going to get you into Microsoft that's for sure unless you are very creative in using the contracting system that I had to do by working for Pitney Bowes.
I went to Concord Career Institute and my sister did too. We went for medical assisting. It's a scam but my sister did pursue her degree. She's been working at a good company for years with a decent pay. I didn't pursue it because I didn't like it but we both ended up with 10,000 dollars in debt. Hers is already paid off and I'm still paying mine as I didn't really see the need to rush to pay if I wasn't using it. It is a scam because now they have R.N. for 50,000 dollars and my sister almost went in to it. She has kids though and hasn't been able to go school so in a way that's better. I already know it's a scam so I will just pay that off and never step foot in it again. While my sister feels happy with it all and she's been lucky with it we could've got 5,000 dollars less. Now she wants to go to ITT and I will make sure to show her this video so she won't be scammed. She will be better off going to a community college taking longer but she will not end up with a hefty loan. When I was looking for schools I ended up going to ITT and had an interview and everything. Before I went to sign the papers I had a feeling in my gut that I didn't want to make the same mistake as I did for Concord. I found out ITT wasn't accredited and I told the lady to cancel everything I wasn't going to sign anything. My mom got upset because she said that I was never going to go to school. I feel it's better no to go to school that spend your whole time paying back those hefty loans and end up with a low paying job. They don't follow through with what they say and it's all lies.
it doesn't matter where you get your education it costs money, there is not a guarantee if your going to get a job in your field. I have friends and family that went to big name colleges and couldn't find a job in their fields or were layed off and began working somewhere else
lymarie1974 Yes, but statistically, you can wipe your ass with ITT, even when the economy's awesome, it's a black mark on your "resume" Post back here after several years of landing nothing. Tool
Not everyone was fortunate and able to attend college right after high school. Sorry for getting a job and serving my country but if they are the only colleges that will allow me to get an education then that is what I will do. A lot of these "for profit" schools help the military get degrees while they are serving because no one else will. So before anyone wants to bully around these schools that may be misleading people outside of the military then maybe congress should look into why we are failing the military by not allowing them to get a degree while on active duty from a traditional university on a flexible program.
in my opinion there is nothing fortunate about going to college right after high-school . there's so much you don't know at the age,and traditional colleges can be just as entrapping as for profit colleges.
If you ask me the training you get in the military should count as its own education. the level of technical knowledge required in many sectors of the armed services is equal to what you'll get at major universities.
@Joseph Onello, really you should get your facts before defending these schools. NOT EVERYONE GETS MONEY FROM THE MILITARY WHICH IS FREE FOR YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT BACK. THEY SCAMMED A LOT OF STUDENTS. INCLUDING ME SO I WILL ATTACK THESE SCHOOLS. I HAVE A LAW SUIT AGAINST CORINTHIANS COLLEGE AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT, IT IS A VALID LAW SUIT! SO BEFORE YOU DEFEND THEM, YOU SHOULD REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! THESE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN SCAMMING FOR YEARS. YOUR EDUCATION WAS PAID BY TAX PAPERS LIKE MYSELF!!!
Going to a for-profit will get you a piece of paper that the "school" will call a degree, but the employment world, regional accreditation boards, and most anyone else will tell you that it's just a scrap of paper with some fancy words on it. To me the best solution America has come up with to provide quality higher education at an affordable price that is accessible to non-traditional students is our community colleges. Instructors at community colleges are well-educated (masters degrees atleast) and unlike universities where the instructors are not teachers, they are scientists and scholars who teach on the side as a way to pay the bills, community college instructors are teachers and teachers only. Combine that with smaller class size, low cost, flexible scheduling, and regionally accredited courses that are transferable to major universities, and you find schools that are perfectly set up to provide quality job training and vocational education. Hell in my area the local community college, Tri-County Technical College in Pendleton, South Carolina, the nursing program is one of the most highly regarded programs in the state, more so than even our major research universities.
***** Have you f*cking served? So until you have and know about what is offered and what OUR schedules are like don't comment on people and be rude on your b.s You probably didn't even finish your education. You sound bitter!
Find out why this college ranked the way it did. The longer the bar, the better the college performed. Green bars show a better than average ranking. Yellow is about average and red is below average. Overall, Southern New Hampshire University is ranked 1,125 out of 1,383. This means that about 81% of the colleges in our system rank as well or better than this college.
There are many ways to get a free education in the USA, but the options are small and ususally come with big or small strings attached. However, FINLAND is still offering free college education to ALL who want to attend a Finnish college, all you have to do is to go there. DO YOUR HOMEWORK (DYH) before you select a S to attend, DYH in S, and DYH when the time comes to pick an employer. The more homework you do the more options you have and more knowledge to make better decisions BL, DYH
You do realize that nothing is free, don't you? The government doesn't pay for college, because the government has no money except what it takes from the people, so actually the 'free' education is bring paid for by other people. And how is it fair to go to Finland to take advantage of the college others are paying for, when you've never been a citizen of Finland who was helping to pay for those programs?
I do not like this video. I am going to a for profit school right now and when I went to get information they provided more information on the financial side of it than the non profit.
It's common knowledge by now that any degree from almost any for-profit school will not be accepted and your application will most likely be laughed at and terminated. Non-profit schools hold higher academic standards and some (such as UT) are even world renowned. For example, a degree from UT can get you a job literally anywhere, but a degree from ITT tech will get you jack shit. The research has been done. It isn't a myth, its common knowledge. For-profit degrees are useless.
Joselyn, I graduated from a for profit school and I somewhat agree with your reasoning. However, the educational quality from a for profit is significantly lower than a not for profit. Its common knowledge and most employers have and will continue to shun applicants who have those schools listed on a resume. A degree from a not for profit may not guarantee a job, education will not guarantee jobs, but you may get your foot in the door much quicker and saddled with not as much debt.
Things like this will continue to happen in America. America believes you can and should mix everything in life with a bottom line/profit, with no over sight or regulation.
They love to slam on for profit colleges however they don't get as big as they are without doing something right. Perhaps instead of complaining traditional institutions should see what they can learn and implement from the for profit colleges. Both non profit and for profit colleges are both in it for the money. For profit colleges are the only ones that admit that fact
Bullshit. For profit colleges are so big because there are so many stupid people out there with so much free money from loans and the government. Then end does not justify the means.
Its also that For Profits are expensive. Its the fact that the educational quality coming from these schools are extremely low and employers don't see any value, therefore the degrees are pretty much akin to toilet paper. You spend $80K for a bachelor's degree that won't provide potential employment.
Okay, then you went there... No self respecting human would endorse these schools. And "a woman's study major"? That was your snappy comeback. Coming from a person who looks like the only way he'd get a woman is via the Bill Cosby approach.
Robin Fo Everest did my mom dirty. Played on her emotions and harassed her when she caught wind of the bullshit. She passed away not too long after and I found myself on the phone with them one day so I explain to the woman that she’s no longer with us and that bitch laughed and hung up the phone. Such ass holes.
The first lady has no business being in school, tbh. She doesn't seem to have any critical reasoning and comprehension skills. She should just get her CDL and start driving. OTR starts at 60k.
For profit non profit colleges they're all in it to make money! I know of people who went to state universities and cant find jobs and others who went to for profit schools who are working on jobs that they enjoy. So Im not swayed by this video to just push schools like Kaplan or Phoenix to the side. Alot of people are going to for profit schools because they are not as expensive as non profit schools.
Yep me too!! At public universities, you have career instructors and nothing more just teaching out of a textbook. With proprietary schools and trade schools, you have experts who on the side do these jobs they are teaching in as well. They are giving you real world experience something the tenured, overpaid, and over entitled establishment schools cannot do and will never be able to do!!
***** I agree with you on that public universities do focus on internships, and the degrees are more recognized but if the school has accreditation that's what matters. You have to do your research and go to a college that's a right fit for you. I can read all the reviews on a college that I want but I will never know the how good or bad it is until I actually put my foot in their doors. This year I'm going to an online university, I chose this school because of the price and the classes that they offer its a good fit for me. I'm thinking positive thoughts :)
anthonyusaajr1 So true when the instructors have tenure and are overpaid they really have forgotten why they went into education in the 1st place, They should be there to teach their students give them the tools to be the best at what ever field they enter.
Dan Rather doesn't address one of the primary reasons the cost of tuition has skyrocketed at many universities: the need to employ an army of "diversity" deans who help buffer the schools from potential litigation. When a school is forced to pay for a Dean of Institutional Diversity, a Dean of Women's Affairs, a Dean of African-American Affairs, a Dean of Latino-American Affairs, a Dean of Native Affairs, a Dean of LGBTQ Affairs, and six or seven "sexual-harassment specialists," each of whom earns an average annual salary of $76,000, the money has to come from somewhere. Guess who picks up the tab for all of this wonderful diversity. Isn't political correctness wonderful?
I can't believe for profit colleges are still around.
You are so much better off with a community college. Don't waste money being scammed.
And an employer will recognize your degree as well.
@Jacob Votava yes! That is what I did. The quality of education of my community college, Valencia in Orlando, FL, was excellent. I was close to many of my professors and they were very supportive and engaging in the classes. I then transferred to University of Central Florida and got my bachelors. Valencia was all paid for and only 10,000 in debt to finish at UCF. Paid off my debt last summer only two years after graduating and got a great job. Follow this path.
It should be illegal to use a federal loan a for a for profit school. These schools are expensive scams, I try all the time to warn away my fellow Veterans from throwing away their GI Bill on these scams. When I first ETS'd from the Army, I was constantly hounded by these schools, luckily I had enough experience with higher ed to choose a State School instead.
Since this aired, ITT Tech, Sanford Brown, Everest, Anthem Institute, Brightwood College, and the Art Institute schools have all since closed.
This is the exact definition of a "racket"; a way to take money from someone without giving anything in return.
Why is the federal government supplying student loans to these places? Why are we, as taxpayers, allowing it?
The scary thing aboutthese for profit schools is that they're allowed to give presentations at high school. i remember we had a careers class in high school to let us have time to research and think about what career we wanted. At least once a week we had a presentation from a for profit school.
yes this exactly this!!! ever since i was a little 10 yo and decided i wanted to be an animator and illustrator.
basedgod8894 cuz they have the money to pay the schools. it's despicable but it happens.
I must have been lucky. The high school I went to actually excluded for profit colleges from presenting in the school. We had presentations from California State University system, and the University of California system as well as campus tours for the community college and those university systems.
That's because public school is a total scam. Not only was it set up by the govt to dumb down society, it brainwashes us from preschool to 12th grade to believe we NEED a college degree to make it in life. They work with the colleges to get the kids to sign up with them. That's why they invite the colleges to their school.
how the hell is this legal?
+alex123453839 It a bigger problem that they use taxpayers money to supply this scams
because it is deceptive and ILLEGAL to lie to students scam them and then penalize them for illegal and unethical practices that is WHY --they get away with such scumbag low life tactics because of people who think like YOU !
Dizzy Spin I actually retract my earlier statement it is the fault of the government who sits hand and hand facilitating this
Marvin Hernandez you are right disregard my earlier comment
Because people in gov who let it happen are corrupt, Trump University was a scam, "everyone has a price" is the saying. You pay people what they want and you can do whatever you want like scam thousands of poor people, veterans, and single mothers (that's their main targets because they qualify for federal aid) you can even pay high schools to let for-profit colleges do presentations there
Back in early 2010, I had a temporary job with a company located right near the ITT Tech King of Prussia, PA campus. I was talking to this young girl who was 23 then. She had just come from an appointment there, and she wanted to take up criminal justice there. I asked her if she signed any papers yet and she said no. Since she lived in Delaware County, PA, I suggested that she go to Delaware County Community College instead. Students who go there can transfer to a four-year college or university. And prospective employers will recognize their degree.
Years ago I went to a computer school for a free aptitude test I received in the mail. When I got there the recruiter started asking me a bunch of question one of which was "Do you ever want to get married or have kids?" I said no and he instantly tried to make me feel guilty about that trying to make me feel an obligation to attend his school. What he didn't realize was I was not a kid coming out of high school. WE debated the "Kid" item back and forth and I told him I was aware of what he was trying to do in the way of a hard sell. I took the test and was told flat out I did not pass. Relieved I left shaking my head. A few weeks later he called me and asked if I was still interested in attending. Laughing I told him over the phone that he didn't make his student quota and told him he had the IQ of a bag of rocks. Just wanted to share my humorous story of schools like this.
Omg, I can't understand how even students would fall for such rude behavior by these unprofessional recruiters. I mean, who asks questions like that? I got in contact with a few for-profit colleges when I didn't know anything about them at first. One was offering a dentist assistant certification for 50,000.
I'll assume like me you said no thanks. I did eventually learn computer mostly on the job training and no "Family Plan" ;-)
I got curious and looked them up online and found all these bad reviews on them. I used that to judge the schools in my area afterwards and luckily I didn't sign up for any for-profit.
I'm glad he wasn't interviewing you for a job. I believe those kinds of questions would be illegal then
Why would a school recruiter ask you if you want to get married and have kids? That's none of his business! And that has nothing to do with whether or not you qualify for admission to any school.
Plus, it's an invasion of your privacy as well.
Thank God you didn't pass the test to get into that school.
Apply for jobs at colleges where you want admission for undergraduate/graduate programs or are currently attending. If you get hired then you may get free or reduced tuition = Employee benefits package. During your Bachelor's degree, ask if you can use some Master’s degree courses to satisfy requirements towards your Bachelor’s degree (some programs allow this).
20k? At ITT tech? community college is way cheaper
***** That is absolute bulllshit. For-profit schools target Vets (like me) just cheat them out of their GI Bill money. One of the biggest problems veterans have with education being coned by for-profit schools by paying for degrees that are useless. ITT Tech has lower standards for their grads and offer only community college education (if that) at a university price. Also classes in the tech fields are easy to get at a community college, and transferable, and cost 1/5 that ITT does.
For what ITT Tech charged for tuition, you're better off going to one of the Ivy League schools that charge that much in tuition for one year. You can also go to a two-year community college and then transfer on to a four-year college or university. Or you can go to a four-year state college or university. Either way, an employer will recognize your degree.
For profit schools are scary.
Unfortunately, the rest of the program can only be seen on iTunes. Check above for the link.
Here is a little quick math. $1.3 billion in revenue with over 60,000 students. That comes out to $21,666 per student. The federal Stafford loans annual maximum is $20,500. Isn't it convenient that the tuition for ITT tech just HAPPENS to be almost the same as the maximum amount of student loans you can get from the government.
Who here thinks that tuition wouldn't "magically" increase by $5K if the federal student loan maximum increased by $5K.
It's best to start off at a community college if you're low on funds. I went to a traditional college but did the masters at a for profit because I liked the concept of doing school online but in the end it turns out to be too expensive and people may not give your degree the same weight as a traditional school. I just say stay away. They're in it for the money.
I went to one of these scam schools called TCI in New York. The recruiter(sales man) insulted and shamed me as a teen into going to the school.
From my parents and my teachers throughout high school, college was shoved down my throat as the best way to have a successful life.... Nobody ever had a conversation about choosing the right college or even the right degree.... Just choose what you are passionate about and make any sacrifice necessary. Once you get that college degree, everything else will take care of itself.
Painting the picture as COLLEGE GRADUATE OR BUST was part of the problem growing up in the 80s and 00s. I'm glad today's students are being shown alternative paths to the traditional 4 year route. It's not for everyone.
20k a year? My 4 year undergrad cost 28k. I worked fulltime and came up with 7k a year to graduate debt free.
Damm $48,000 for an Associate Degree in IT Tech, I spend $0 in community college to get my AA because the tuition is way cheaper that financial aid pays for.
I never understood why people turn their noses up at community colleges. Do the math!
Sadly, the traditional universities are not much better....they are rapidly increasing enrollments, increasing tuition to extortion levels, adding non-sense fees for no good reason, charging excessive amounts if you overload (trying to finish quicker and save), and providing little real value in return. Universities have been enabled by professional licensing organizations, which require degrees before they will give you a license to practice...in order to maintain the higher salaries of their current practitioners. If you aren't going to university for a lab science, you are being over-charged and getting little of intrinsic value in return.
Standards are low across the board here in America (public or private schools). Great post!!
i agree. I went to a traditional school and there were some classes I could have skipped as they gave me no value in my real life career. Plus I has a teacher for one class that could barely speak English. Plus a lot of the programs at traditional universities need to be revamped in order to prepare people for an increasingly cutting edge workplace.
At least the brand name and connections will give many people a leg up in finding gainful employment. Not so with for-profits, not by a long shot
@@thebestcentaur Not really. The only schools that give you a "leg up" like that are the Ivy League schools and a couple in the second tier like the University of Chicago, Northwestern, Berkeley, Stanford, Williams, UVA, the College of William and Mary and Duke. Nearly all of these, excepting four, are expensive private universities.
People get scammed because they want something easy. A good con artists knows that if he can offer you a front (I'm bettering myself, I just want to help,etc) while at the same time scratching your real desire (big money for little work) you are a prime target to be conned
Sean ur an idiot. I attended a for profit college and it was so tough many students dropped out the first year. Those who stayed worked their asses off for their degree.
i don't agree. How do people know that the college will be easy or quick. How do people know they won't get a good education when these places are everywhere. I can see it they tried to get a degree through the mail but if they go to class and take a curriculum than how do they know? It should be the job of society to expose these schools.
Bingo!!! You want money, convince someone to pay extra to avoid hard work.
The first two commenters on this post are prime examples of why for-profits need to go.
@@karaa5902 Oh come on, these people couldn't even look up how much jobs even pay. I've seen this many times before. I have met people who went to University for 7 years and didn't know they couldn't get rid of student loans off bankruptcy. I've heard them..."Oh my Professor said I will make 98K when I graduate". I look it up in 8 seconds and the average salary is 32k.
As a college graduate (Ohio State) that did not attend college until later in my life, I was tempted by many of these "for profit" college programs, but I always looked at them rather skeptically. The truth about these things is much more nuanced. What I have seen when it came to hiring people from these kinds of schools is that there are a wide range of results that people can get from these types of educational opportunities, and they mostly depend on the individual. As many have mentioned in these comments, these schools seem to attract people that are looking for something "easier" than a traditional college experience, AND these schools will take just about anyone that applies. Combine that with programs that rely a lot on self-guidance, and you have a recipe for high failure/drop-out rates and lots and lots of disillusioned former "students". Any kind of higher education takes personal commitment, and it is a LOT of work. In my own experience as someone that has worked with and even HIRED people from these schools, I've seen that some people really take advantage of everything these programs offer and came away with much needed technical job skills and experiences that, in many cases, their traditional bachelor's degrees never provided. There is something to be said for having a very focused, specialized technical education. What is really sad about this to me is that the overall credibility of these institutions has really suffered, much by their own doing, but also because so many people did not stay true to their own commitment to their own education when they enrolled in these programs . That credibility loss means that what might have been a good educational option for some people, and is truly an important part of our educational system mix in this country, is forever tainted. Several things contribute to this - Ignorance on the part of the students (much of which is understandable and forgivable, and could even be chalked up to naiveté), Laziness on the part of the students (much of which is unfortunate, but not "forgivable" in the sense of laying blame) and greed and deception on the part of the institutions - none of which is really forgivable. I want to add that my own bachelor's degree from an actual brick and mortar school has not exactly led to amazing job opportunities either, it's kind of a base-level litmus test for some jobs, but almost all of the "technical requirements" of these jobs really depend on job experience, self-education, or additional training that traditional college just doesn't provide.
i agree. I went to a traditional college and got my degree. It did not lead to me making loads of money. And many traditional colleges do not offer the types of cutting edge degrees that might get you to a higher level. I was looking for a hospital administration program in my area and could not find a traditional college that offered one. That might be another reason why people get lured in. Also the convenience of going online but now more traditional schools are offering this.
I would argue that it takes money to make money, but at the rate that we're giving these sorts of "colleges" money, we might as well try a free college.
I went to ITT, and not only do they let anyone in, they let just about anyone graduate. The instructors are graded on how many students pass, which CAN be a good thing, but when there is no oversight, it becomes a matter of getting more students to pass rather than passing students who've actually done the work and have the skills to graduate.
Moral of the Story: Before you sign something, READ IT!
Wheres part 2?
Question: How does a Non-Profit school make money? Yes, that's right! Off of STUDENTS!!! Hooray for learning something today!!!!
Non-profits get a lot of revenue from research grants, donations from alumni, and if they're public they also get federal and state appropriations. Sure, the students still have to pay a bill, but it's not nearly to the level of for-profits.
Christopher Gerstle Exactly, therefore they make more money than the the for profit schools. Furthermore, as a result of the research grants, donations, and federal appropriations, the dean comes out making about a billion dollars a year. My friend, its the same scam just a different way of getting the $$$.
Phuc Yu Average Salary of a 4-year state university president is $450 thousand while the average salary of the presidents of the 100 wealthiest private 4-year non-profit colleges is $425 thousand. Average salary of a for-profit college CEO is $6 million.
Phuc Yu Also, as non-profit organizations under 501(c)3 of the US Tax Code, traditional universities are not allowed to earn a profit. Any surplus revenue generated by the organization must be spent on expansion or improvement of the organization's mission or they risk losing their tax exempt status. They have no owners or shareholders. They have a board of trustees who run the organization (and do not receive any compensation) and hire employees to carry out certain functions beneficial to the mission of the board.
For-profits, on the other hand, operate like a corporation which can keep any surplus revenue as profit and distribute that money to shareholders. Instead of a board of trustees they have shareholders who can take money out of the school and keep for themselves (and at for-profit colleges, the profit margin is insanely big).
Never try to make the claim that traditional (aka real) universities are anything like the con-artists that for-profits are. Traditional universities are non-profit organizations that serve a public good while for-profits are money making organizations with no goal other than earn its owners profit.
Christopher Gerstle I am biased because I attend a for-profit school. However, my siblings did not. My brother went to Berkeley, sister to SDSU and other sister to UCR. They all got careers in the field they chose, I myself attend the UofP. Although the school is a for-profit campus, the education I received also got me a career in the field I chose. Bottom line, whether you attend a for-profit or non, as long as you accomplished the goal you set out for, then the experience was a positive one. My siblings by the way are still in debt, and will be for many, many years, I on the other hand not only received a Bachelors Degree, but also owe very little to the campus as my veterans benefits took care of the tab.
Carson, CA Kaplan/Maric College Vocational college targeted and identified my pain point. These colleges wont help you once you graduated with, you get no access for the career resource center. I cant pay this load :( I am pretty self sufficient and even then they wont help you with job leads, my vocational college got shut down in 2007, now in Modesto , CA this school will eventually get shut down too, hopefully if the government finds out about all this fraudulent activity. Modesto, CA states they can not work with me now, they say I am not a graduate of the Modesto ,CA location. This is plain wrong and I am stuck with a loan, they have always rejected my inquiries.
1) Price - 20K to non-profit or 20K to profit school (S), what's the difference to YOU?
2) Value - there are non-profit Ss that charge more than most for-profit Ss, how do you determine if you get what you pay for
3) Caveat Emptor - the complexity of financial aid paperwork is universal, just read it. the fact if if you don't like it you won't get it, THAT'S WHY NO ONE READS IT
4) Opportunity - no one is forced to go to any school above HS, you pick what you want
(see part 2 )
So that lady who signed the contract said she didn't know what she was signing and that ITT rep didn't make it clear what she was signing. She should have taken time to read the contract to figure out what's at stake. If she can't or won't read the contract, then she has no business enrolling especially in this for profit college. The responsibility is on her. Best to stick with community college and state run university and avoid these scam for profit colleges whose degrees are seen as worthless by employers.
The military will try sales tactics like this too. Although the military is a much better choice in life.
If you attended a for-profit college, amassed a mountain of debt and have a useless degree-you should be voting for JILL STEIN! She is the ONLY candidate serious about helping student who have been hoodwinked by such institutions! JILL STEIN 2016!
No thanks. The Federal Government caused these problems. They sure as hell aren't going to solve them.
This why you do research on universities and read what your signing about beforehand
Please only accept subsidized loans (accumulates interest AFTER graduation). Try to avoid unsubsidized loans (accumulates interest Everyday and After graduation). Deduct interest from taxes. Please avoid out-of-state tuition, private student loans, and for-profit colleges like Everest and ITT Tech. Take courses at community colleges (they are legit). To get more aid, prove struggles of parents (or yourself) to financial aid office: Foreclosure, repossession, bankruptcy, debt settlements, separation, divorces, death, new child, hospitalization, unemployment, reduction in income, food stamps, failure to pay taxes, wage garnishment, incarcerations, terminal illness or condition, etc. Choose credit unions. Banks are for-profit. Do not drop out of college = Less likely to repay debts.
When you are a business owner without a college degree people tell you, you're going to fail, you aren't going to make it anywhere, and you are shamed for wanting to be an inventor. If you become successful people think very highly of you but we need to stop shaming people who don't have college degrees
where's part two of this video?
Full sail yes one of them
I work in the For Profit Sector as a Director
...For Profits have profit Not For Profits have operational surpluses. If you've sat on an NFP Board, you'll know profit is a big driver for NFP's as well.
...Comp plans for Boards and Senior Managers for NFP's? off the charts, in the 1%
...Associate Degree: Graduation Rate proprietary School, 62.5%, Not For Profits 18%, Would you send your kid to a school with a 1/5 chance of completing?
...Retort will be rigour: Proprietary Schools are part of Accrediting bodies such as ABHES, ACICS, ACCET etc. THey also comply to State Consumer Protection Agencies. Whats the rigour for Community Colleges? The answer will be interesting...
...Placement rates. Proprietary Schools need to place 65% of grads into appropriate employment or they get in trouble. NFP's? The 18% that graduate, to each his own, no accountability. Meh.
...Profit Schools have small class sizes, tutors, compressed scheduling, getting folks working in far less a time period than many Community Colleges
the above costs money, teacher ratios, placement experts, counselors etc, thus in part the higher prices...
If FFPs were held to the same regulatory standards, most would be gone.
With all of the media hype and scrutiny of the thousands of proprietary schools, only a handful are in trouble. THere are thousands that do a great job...
I can't stand the mis information nor the two faced commentary
+Jeffrey Ladrae Williams Excellent observation presented with real facts. Dan Rather is rather misleading in this story, and many on here are responding, not based on actual numbers and facts, but on the very well emotion based stories of very anecdotal information.
AHHHHHH, she took a buyout from Chrysler in 2008. I missed that little nugget. So basically she had an amazing job in the auto industry and took a 70k buyout and now she's fallen flat on her face. Incredibly poor decision by her.
Back then in 2008, no one was even sure if Chrysler was still gonna be around. If you weren't sure you were gonna have a job and they offered you that kind of money to leave, what would you do?
Blue Collar They have been pulling that "we might not be around" stuff for decades to workers to get them to leave. The 98% that were smart enough to not take them are still working there.
Yeah, but back in 2008 they really were on the verge of going out of business. Maybe she took a buyout before the bailout? Chrysler workers were on pins and needles back in 2008. That was the worst economy since the depression here in the Detroit area.
Blue Collar No, early 80s were worse for the auto industry.
I work in the For Profit Sector
...For Profits have profit Not For Profits have operational surpluses. If you've sat on an NFP Board, you'll know profit is a big driver for NFP's as well.
...Comp plans for Boards and Senior Managers for NFP's? off the charts, in the 1%
...Associate Degree: Graduation Rate proprietary School, 62.5%, Not For Profits 18%, Would you send your kid to a school with a 1/5 chance of completing?
...Retort will be rigour: Proprietary Schools are part of Accrediting bodies such as ABHES, ACICS, ACCET etc. THey also comply to State Consumer Protection Agencies. Whats the rigour for Community Colleges? The answer will be interesting...
...Placement rates. Proprietary Schools need to place 65% of grads into appropriate employment or they get in trouble. NFP's? The 18% that graduate, to each his own, no accountability. Meh.
...Profit Schools have small class sizes, tutors, compressed scheduling, getting folks working in far less a time period than many Community Colleges
the above costs money, teacher ratios, placement experts, counselors etc, thus in part the higher prices...
If FFPs were held to the same regulatory standards, most would be gone.
With all of the media hype and scrutiny of the thousands of proprietary schools, only a handful are in trouble. THere are thousands that do a great job...
I can't stand the mis information nor the two faced commentary
Gregg Meiklejohn I go to UOP and i can tell you that in some cases students don't do the extra things that can help them get employment like certs related to their field and like some NFP students expect that the degree alone will land them a job; it's gonna take more than that. I also doubt that some of these students who did not have a good outcome are not telling the complete story. I've even seen some UOP grads go to schools like UCLA,CMU,Tulane,Penn state and Harvard for master degrees and finish. In many cases from what I've seen and read it's not always the school it is the student and how determined they are. I think that non-profits and for-profits should face the same level of scrutiny.
You work in the For-profit sector? Then clearly you know about the worst predatory offenders. They mislead about pricing, commit fraud, abuse, and leave veterans with unaccredited degrees. I'm making a documentary on the subject. Perhaps you would grant me an interview. I take it easy on you, but everything will be on the record. I suggest you find a different line of work...
Dagingregh Sir i hope your documentary looks at both sides of the fence and not just one side.
One side? By what do you mean sir? These for-profit oligarchs have stolen the American college education system through their tobacco ads. The DOJ, CFPB, ED, and FTC does not investigate things lightly. One sided? It has been that way for far too long. So suck it up, and take it like a man. Your schools are scams. And everyone knows it.
Dagingregh Sir i mean't a balanced view but from what you just told me your documentary is not going to do that. Yes i went a a for profit and working on a MSIT from CMU not everyone who goes to a for-profit has a bad outcome like you presume them to do. I won't defend UOP but i will say that many of the things they accuse for profits of also occur at non-profits as well.
Also while your at it try contacting this man for an interview:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schmidt
Students have equal responsibility don't blame not being able to find work all on the school.
5) Performance - 90% of students go to college because they believe the opportunity will lead to more income. When you go to S you expect to graduate with a specific degree that will enable you to work in a specific field relevant to your course work, let's call that 'in-field employment'. As it turns out the smaller for-profit Ss have far better performance than the larger profit or non profit Ss
for ex: Plum, Auto mechanic, HVAC, truck driving, barber Ss all have high performance
Financial aid goes with accreditation (A), so if a school looses it's A then their students lose their ability to get financial aid. Without fin aid the school would go out of business.
I know of a non-profit STATE school in FL that lost their accreditation for about a year. You talk about scary, I'm sure the students there at that time were terrorized.
The univ of Phoenix is the largest school in the US, all because of the internet, they are younger than ITT, Harvard, and all state schools
Where can I find part two ? It's not uploaded to TH-cam
Part twp is called college on the cheap
It's amazing how they show graduates of hard to place majors such as criminal justice and Arts never heard stories about programming majors being unemployed regardless of wether they graduated from a non profit or for profit institutions
I took programming at ITT Tech. It is a black mark on a resume and it isn't going to get you into Microsoft that's for sure unless you are very creative in using the contracting system that I had to do by working for Pitney Bowes.
Poolgogi poolgogi You first
You''re right my cousin took some it classes at a now defunct school and he's been employed in the government ever since.
Is there a part 2?
I went to Concord Career Institute and my sister did too. We went for medical assisting. It's a scam but my sister did pursue her degree. She's been working at a good company for years with a decent pay. I didn't pursue it because I didn't like it but we both ended up with 10,000 dollars in debt. Hers is already paid off and I'm still paying mine as I didn't really see the need to rush to pay if I wasn't using it. It is a scam because now they have R.N. for 50,000 dollars and my sister almost went in to it. She has kids though and hasn't been able to go school so in a way that's better. I already know it's a scam so I will just pay that off and never step foot in it again. While my sister feels happy with it all and she's been lucky with it we could've got 5,000 dollars less. Now she wants to go to ITT and I will make sure to show her this video so she won't be scammed. She will be better off going to a community college taking longer but she will not end up with a hefty loan. When I was looking for schools I ended up going to ITT and had an interview and everything. Before I went to sign the papers I had a feeling in my gut that I didn't want to make the same mistake as I did for Concord. I found out ITT wasn't accredited and I told the lady to cancel everything I wasn't going to sign anything. My mom got upset because she said that I was never going to go to school. I feel it's better no to go to school that spend your whole time paying back those hefty loans and end up with a low paying job. They don't follow through with what they say and it's all lies.
It's so obvious Rather is reading off of a prompter xD
We have to pay to watch part two of this, I call Scam LOL
All students loans should be forgiven even if they graduated. The students were taken advantage of
it doesn't matter where you get your education it costs money, there is not a guarantee if your going to get a job in your field. I have friends and family that went to big name colleges and couldn't find a job in their fields or were layed off and began working somewhere else
lymarie1974 Yes, but statistically, you can wipe your ass with ITT, even when the economy's awesome, it's a black mark on your "resume" Post back here after several years of landing nothing. Tool
Not everyone was fortunate and able to attend college right after high school. Sorry for getting a job and serving my country but if they are the only colleges that will allow me to get an education then that is what I will do. A lot of these "for profit" schools help the military get degrees while they are serving because no one else will. So before anyone wants to bully around these schools that may be misleading people outside of the military then maybe congress should look into why we are failing the military by not allowing them to get a degree while on active duty from a traditional university on a flexible program.
in my opinion there is nothing fortunate about going to college right after high-school . there's so much you don't know at the age,and traditional colleges can be just as entrapping as for profit colleges.
If you ask me the training you get in the military should count as its own education. the level of technical knowledge required in many sectors of the armed services is equal to what you'll get at major universities.
@Joseph Onello, really you should get your facts before defending these schools. NOT EVERYONE GETS MONEY FROM THE MILITARY WHICH IS FREE FOR YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT BACK. THEY SCAMMED A LOT OF STUDENTS. INCLUDING ME SO I WILL ATTACK THESE SCHOOLS. I HAVE A LAW SUIT AGAINST CORINTHIANS COLLEGE AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT, IT IS A VALID LAW SUIT! SO BEFORE YOU DEFEND THEM, YOU SHOULD REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! THESE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN SCAMMING FOR YEARS. YOUR EDUCATION WAS PAID BY TAX PAPERS LIKE MYSELF!!!
Going to a for-profit will get you a piece of paper that the "school" will call a degree, but the employment world, regional accreditation boards, and most anyone else will tell you that it's just a scrap of paper with some fancy words on it.
To me the best solution America has come up with to provide quality higher education at an affordable price that is accessible to non-traditional students is our community colleges. Instructors at community colleges are well-educated (masters degrees atleast) and unlike universities where the instructors are not teachers, they are scientists and scholars who teach on the side as a way to pay the bills, community college instructors are teachers and teachers only. Combine that with smaller class size, low cost, flexible scheduling, and regionally accredited courses that are transferable to major universities, and you find schools that are perfectly set up to provide quality job training and vocational education. Hell in my area the local community college, Tri-County Technical College in Pendleton, South Carolina, the nursing program is one of the most highly regarded programs in the state, more so than even our major research universities.
***** Have you f*cking served? So until you have and know about what is offered and what OUR schedules are like don't comment on people and be rude on your b.s You probably didn't even finish your education. You sound bitter!
Find out why this college ranked the way it did. The longer the bar, the better the college performed. Green bars show a better than average ranking. Yellow is about average and red is below average.
Overall, Southern New Hampshire University is ranked 1,125 out of 1,383. This means that about 81% of the colleges in our system rank as well or better than this college.
It should be opposite, get them to FA first, then, if they’re comfortable with the FA situation, then move to enroll.
These for profit scams should pay back the money they swindled the tax payers our of and pay it back, and then go to jail.
I don't think government should pay for anyone's higher education. Everyone should pay out out of pocket. Stop looking for handouts
There are many ways to get a free education in the USA, but the options are small and ususally come with big or small strings attached.
However, FINLAND is still offering free college education to ALL who want to attend a Finnish college, all you have to do is to go there.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK (DYH) before you select a S to attend, DYH in S, and DYH when the time comes to pick an employer. The more homework you do the more options you have and more knowledge to make better decisions
BL, DYH
You do realize that nothing is free, don't you? The government doesn't pay for college, because the government has no money except what it takes from the people, so actually the 'free' education is bring paid for by other people. And how is it fair to go to Finland to take advantage of the college others are paying for, when you've never been a citizen of Finland who was helping to pay for those programs?
The book "Bad Biz: Your Guide to Starting a For Profit College" by Corin Devaso is an interesting read. It's satire that shows how some colleges scam.
For profits are the same just a matter of a tax code. SNHU, horrible! What about those programs Dan!
I do not like this video. I am going to a for profit school right now and when I went to get information they provided more information on the financial side of it than the non profit.
wait until you get out and you're jobless. then you'll understand. Drop out now, and go to school else where.
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A non profit school does not guarantee that I will have a job after graduation.
It's common knowledge by now that any degree from almost any for-profit school will not be accepted and your application will most likely be laughed at and terminated. Non-profit schools hold higher academic standards and some (such as UT) are even world renowned. For example, a degree from UT can get you a job literally anywhere, but a degree from ITT tech will get you jack shit. The research has been done. It isn't a myth, its common knowledge. For-profit degrees are useless.
Go for it!
Joselyn, I graduated from a for profit school and I somewhat agree with your reasoning. However, the educational quality from a for profit is significantly lower than a not for profit. Its common knowledge and most employers have and will continue to shun applicants who have those schools listed on a resume. A degree from a not for profit may not guarantee a job, education will not guarantee jobs, but you may get your foot in the door much quicker and saddled with not as much debt.
What's dumber than these colleges are the people enrolling them
Things like this will continue to happen in America. America believes you can and should mix everything in life with a bottom line/profit, with no over sight or regulation.
you know !! you know !!! you know !!!!
STOP SAYING YOU KNOW 😓😓😓
college is big business
They love to slam on for profit colleges however they don't get as big as they are without doing something right. Perhaps instead of complaining traditional institutions should see what they can learn and implement from the for profit colleges. Both non profit and for profit colleges are both in it for the money. For profit colleges are the only ones that admit that fact
Bullshit. For profit colleges are so big because there are so many stupid people out there with so much free money from loans and the government. Then end does not justify the means.
Its also that For Profits are expensive. Its the fact that the educational quality coming from these schools are extremely low and employers don't see any value, therefore the degrees are pretty much akin to toilet paper. You spend $80K for a bachelor's degree that won't provide potential employment.
Are you kidding me!? You must work for them.
Legend of the Zygote if i work for them then were is my paycheck. Assume to much you must be a womens studies major
Okay, then you went there... No self respecting human would endorse these schools. And "a woman's study major"? That was your snappy comeback. Coming from a person who looks like the only way he'd get a woman is via the Bill Cosby approach.
...Or else you can't travel to any other city to be a nurse, and I really wouldn't trust their other degrees.
Rip off everest
Robin Fo Everest did my mom dirty. Played on her emotions and harassed her when she caught wind of the bullshit. She passed away not too long after and I found myself on the phone with them one day so I explain to the woman that she’s no longer with us and that bitch laughed and hung up the phone. Such ass holes.
The first lady has no business being in school, tbh. She doesn't seem to have any critical reasoning and comprehension skills. She should just get her CDL and start driving. OTR starts at 60k.
If someone is really mean to you encourage them to take an education at a for profit school 😈😈😈😈😈
For profit non profit colleges they're all in it to make money! I know of people who went to state universities and cant find jobs and others who went to for profit schools who are working on jobs that they enjoy. So Im not swayed by this video to just push schools like Kaplan or Phoenix to the side. Alot of people are going to for profit schools because they are not as expensive as non profit schools.
So are public universities, what is your point?
My point is there is no difference between the two. There both out to make money.
Yep me too!! At public universities, you have career instructors and nothing more just teaching out of a textbook. With proprietary schools and trade schools, you have experts who on the side do these jobs they are teaching in as well. They are giving you real world experience something the tenured, overpaid, and over entitled establishment schools cannot do and will never be able to do!!
***** I agree with you on that public universities do focus on internships, and the degrees are more recognized but if the school has accreditation that's what matters. You have to do your research and go to a college that's a right fit for you. I can read all the reviews on a college that I want but I will never know the how good or bad it is until I actually put my foot in their doors. This year I'm going to an online university, I chose this school because of the price and the classes that they offer its a good fit for me. I'm thinking positive thoughts :)
anthonyusaajr1 So true when the instructors have tenure and are overpaid they really have forgotten why they went into education in the 1st place, They should be there to teach their students give them the tools to be the best at what ever field they enter.
The best people in the world to market "for-profit-schools" are Spanish women.
Women from Spain?
The real issue she faces is not for profit college, but what she studies criminal justice.
Should more corporate business in Christian school teach the bible
Dan Rather doesn't address one of the primary reasons the cost of tuition has skyrocketed at many universities: the need to employ an army of "diversity" deans who help buffer the schools from potential litigation.
When a school is forced to pay for a Dean of Institutional Diversity, a Dean of Women's Affairs, a Dean of African-American Affairs, a Dean of Latino-American Affairs, a Dean of Native Affairs, a Dean of LGBTQ Affairs, and six or seven "sexual-harassment specialists," each of whom earns an average annual salary of $76,000, the money has to come from somewhere.
Guess who picks up the tab for all of this wonderful diversity.
Isn't political correctness wonderful?