1985: Marillion, IQ, Supertramp, Neil Young & more! | The Album Years Podcast (Part 5)
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- Our epic journey into the music of 1985 comes to a close with this week's episode, which includes albums by Marillion, IQ, Neil Young, Supertramp and more!
Let us know in the comments what your personal favourites and most influential records from this monumental year were.
00:00:00 Introduction
00:00:28 R.E.M. - Fables of the Reconstruction
00:01:18 Neil Young - Old Ways
00:07:10 Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
00:11:08 IQ - The Wake
00:15:12 Supertramp - Brother Where You Bound
00:17:22 Magma - Merci
00:18:33 Philip Glass - Satyagraha
00:19:32 John Adams - Harmonielehre
00:20:07 Steve Reich - The Desert Music
00:21:21 Eberhard Weber - Chorus
00:22:49 Andrew Poppy - The Beating of Wings
00:25:01 Wim Mertens - Maximizing The Audience
00:30:07 The Best and Most Influential Albums of 1985 - เพลง
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Thanks for covering Misplaced Childhood. I agree: it was a huge step forward for the band. (And I'm a little more partial to Clutching at Straws, too.)
As an echo of Genesis, Fish wrote the lyrics and all music was composed by Mark Kelly, Ian Mosley, Steve Rothery, & Pete Trewavas.
I could listen to Tim talk all day.
Fantastic to see The Wake, and IQ, featured. Superb band 💕🤘🏻
IQ "The Wake" , has a place in my head that can never be replaced!
Desperately needs a remix (sadly the tapes are apparently lost) but The Wake is still one of the greatest hidden gems
@@keithdawe5512 On tonight again, I don't tire of it still after all these years. It's like Pendragon's Jewel album. These days I listen to mostly psych from Scandanavia or death metal but often drift back to the sec gereration prog stuff . I remember going to see Twelfth Night at the Dominion circa '84 and got bored and walked out. That night I went into the Astoria and watched Heavy Pett'in for free. I later became godsmacked by Geoff Mann and couldn't get enough of TN.
I was lucky to meet both Peter and Mike from IQ while I was at an Islington gig with my friend Andy Hall who's no longer with us but still cursing me no doubt about my Irish ways.. Considering I was an overwhelmed Irish man outside the Nag's Head in Islington , they were great, they took time to chat. I love IQ!
Nice to hear IQ get a little love. One of the most underrated bands ever.
I discovered IQ in 1993 or 1994. I think they‘re getting better with every album!
“Singing praises was never a feature of me or my kind”
Totally agree
Kind of a shame way < 0 1% of the world's population will ever be exposed to their greatness. But, doesn't take away our appreciation. Amazing band. @birdzzzondayflu2489
@@bobmichaels6252 Very well described
Misplaced Childhood for the best of '85
A fabulous album with some truly outstanding lyrics.
“I was walking in the park, dreaming of a spark
When I heard the sprinklers whisper, shimmer in the haze of summer lawns” 🥰
Very interesting and funny, but "Fables of the reconstruction" was a great record with many extraordinary songs: "Driver 8", "Maps and Legends", "Can't Get There from Here ", "Feeling Gravity's Pull "...
Superb episode, nice to see IQ getting some Props. Keep them coming fellas :)
Happy to see Brother Where You Bound getting some love...
Fables is a classic! Get with it guys!! First REM I bought. They put a bow on the jangle era with an album that celebrates southern gothic weirdness and idiosyncratic characters who live in the underbelly of the south. It's a deeply southern rock album but its through a lens far removed from the Allmans or Lynyrd Skynyrd but just as deeply southern. I mean how many songs not only name check but include in the title of the a long-forgotten, obscure dud of a 1973 comet. Fables is the sound of R.E.M. at probably their least self-conscious and their most celebratory of the south they grew up in, and the oddballs they grew up around.
Excellent post, just excellent! Awesome descriptions of REM music during this period. REM changed what alternative music could be, they are forever TRAILBLAZERS!
IQ as a link between Genesis and the Cardiacs, that's amazing. I can absolutely see that. What an inventive, eye-opening comparison. Especially when seeing IQ in the light of Niadem's Ghost; it's very urgent and fast and frantic.
Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws are incredible albums, but don’t overlook the H albums. Brave, Marbles, FEAR, An Hour Before It’s Dark…all great albums.
When I first heard Season's end I was pissed because that's when I learnt of Fish's departure, but grew to love it. But yes, those two albums are art as much as music, thus I have a daughter named Kayleigh😁
Best podcast ever. Hope you unleash the unedited long conversation. People crave long format discussions.
Love The Wake, a true 80’s prog classic
Fables of the Reconstruction is a fabulous album. REM at their Southern gothic greatest.
I tried so hard with REM but apart from the occasional single (Fall On Me, for example, which is stunning) I could never connect. Liked half of Automatic (the last half) and really liked Monster and Up but the rest goes straight over my head. And I listened to all their albums multiple times (except for the last one and Around The Sun)
I file them next to XTC, a band I feel I should like but first 4 albums aside, do nothing for me.
At least I tried 😊
The Great Beyond - thats a good single.
Wilson keeps interrupting tim. Let him speak.
I agree - and this is coming from a long time fan of SW. Interrupters can ruin a whole podcast.
He doesn’t usually do that. Maybe too much coffee 😊.
I met Steven back in '01, during NEARfest... I asked him about IQ, and he said he wasn't too into them. Said they were "too packaged" for his taste. Fast-forward a while afterwards, and sure enough he admits (in an interview I read) that he had his neo prog bands mixed up, and that he apparently thought IQ was a different band when I inquired at the time, lol!
Fables of the Reconstruction is more than alright
🎯🎯🎯🎯!
I’m here for the Marillion analysis. These two know their stuff!
I got off the Marillion bus after Fish left. Which album since would you recommend to a new listener ? I see there’s a few 😮
Afraid of Sunlight or Marbles
Im so ecstatic to hear Steven Wilson say he's a fan of IQ. I've always considered them as somewhat of a guilty pleasure, if there is such a thing, but I've always liked IQ up to this day, and would've NEVER guessed Steven liked them. It's one of the few prog bands today that can get me excited about a new album.
I´m happy to know that both agree with me about Misplaced Childhood and Clutching Straws.
Such a pleasure to hear you talking about Marillion and IQ
Eberhard Weber was also on The Dreaming (All the Love - featured heavily). He is on 4 albums overall: Hounds of Love, The Dreaming, Sensual World and Aerial.
Agree about the melodic brilliance of Misplaced Childhood...it's shot through with sugar-rush moments, even on Side 2 from which no single was culled (Lords of the Backstage, Blind Curve, White Feather - all utterly anthemic)
I love the H-era and think Hogarth can also be a great melodicist, but it often feels to me like the vocal melody has been 'tacked on' to a band jam. In their defence, they've done 4x the number of albums since Fish left.
love these chats, I'm always left with at least one unfamiliar recording to explore
Wim Mertens started as a radio producer for the BRT (Belgian Radio & Television). He composed Close Cover as a tune for the late night broadcasts. It was released as a track on the mini-album Struggle For Pleasure by Soft Verdict. That's the moniker Wim Mertens started his recording career under. Soft Verdict indeed collaborated with members of Tuxedomoon.
I love what you're doing here, chaps!!! A bit surprised you didn't decipher the german word "Harmonielehre" though... 😃😃😃It alludes to the book by Arnold Schönberg with the same name... Waiting eagerly for the next year in this brilliant series!! Cheers!
Watching/listening to you from Sydney, Australia 🇦🇺
IQ is soo underrated, especially this album. And you're both on the money here, neo-prog was more than just a Genesis copyists' clique, it's very much its own thing in many respects.
Misplaced Childhood will always be the highest point of Fish era for me (even though Script is my personal favourite). Never got why Clutching At Straws is so celebrated though, it is literally Childhood's clone musically and structure-wise.
And hey, my favourite Supertramp album!
I feel like IQ have actually gotten to their peak in the last 10 years or so, Road of Bones is the best thing they've ever done.
Edit: I could have just waited 5 minutes for Steven to say basically the same thing.
@@beneathsands hehe he did!
TROB is in my top5 for sure, but Dark Matter takes the cake, this record is simply flawless
I agree that IQ are very underrated. The Road Of Bones is my favourite album. I like their other albums also, with the exception of Resistance. I’m torn between Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws as I like both equally.
I'm just here to support "Script" - also my personal favourite. Maybe it's because I considered Misplaced Childhood as too much pop, when I got to know the band. But of course, as Tim and Steven argue, there are amazingly good pop songs on the album and I just love the "trilogy" of Pseudo Silk Kimono, Kayleigh and Lavender
@@marcuslamprecht7948 Script was my first Marillion album - it was 2003, I was 16 and I was blown away :) and yes, MC seemed a bit too poppy after that, but it won me over pretty fast
Let's hear it for Steve Reich In The Afternoon
Thank you gentlemen. I loved the episode. so informative. Can’t wait to hear the Wim Mertens.
Most influential for what was to come on the alternative guitar scene from this point onwards were the 2 albums from Husker Du this year: New Day Rising and Flip Your Wig
Yeah! Those Hüsker Dü albums represented a 1985 zeitgeist , especially for those of us in Minneapolis that year.
It's a delight to listen to you talking about albums I've never heard or even know the band. But I'm searching for the music in my streaming software (buuh!) or even find already existing playlists to your album years. That's nice. I've even bought Goldies Saturn Returnz based on your descriptions. Well, what an experience... But please, Steven, provide poor poor Tim a better chair. You are sitting in your favorite fart chair and poor poor Tim sitting on this uncomfortably looking kitchen chair (or the piano chair of the last episode). Good lord! That's rude! :D Go on with this. This is wonderful. 5 stars from me. ★★★★★
I loved listening to them wax lyrical about Misplaced Childhood, one of my favourite Marillion albums which was very influential on my musical tastes - I agree with everything they said! (though I do love this album, I think Fugazi might be my favourite Fish-era Marillion album). I also recently discovered that Steven was heavily involved in Fish's "Sunsets on Empire" album which is one of my favourite albums of all time!
You're missing out, fellas! Fables is top-drawer REM.
I’m with them Im afraid. Only like Monster and Up.
Awesome year guys, it actually made me remember when Mylo went down And we sat and cried on the phone. I never felt so alone He was the first of our own.
Some of us went down in a blaze of obscurity, Some of us go down in a haze of publicity, but that is the price of infamy, the edge of insanity 🤷♂
Brilliant. Both are incredible. 5 hours analysing a year's albums. I learned a lot of music I didn't know. Motivated by these videos I found two more unanalysed albums, by vangelis and red hot.
Love Fables...a ton...you guys are a ton of fun, regardless!
Oh, the depth of knowledge these guys have is amazing. I have a lot of bands to discover!
I was surprised The Damned's Phantasmagoria didn't get a mention. In ways it was a trailblazer for Goth. An Identikit picture of what the genre was. But it also had Kate Bush's former producer and a slight Marillion texture. For myself I was listening to Curtain Call back to back with Grendel in 1983 as both songs appeared as B sides to 12 inch singles around this time.
Misplaced Childhood is my favorite Marillion album. Kayleigh is an all time classic imo. 1985 was also a great year for Thrash Metal. A number of classic albums released that year. Would be great if you did an episode on it. Ah I see this is the final episode for 1985. Oh well.
Andrew Poppy isn't just "operating now", he's producing some of his strongest, most accessible and most fascinating work at the moment. I highly recommend his 2019 "Hoarse Songs" and 2022 "Jelly" albums.
I love the framework or series of talks you guys are doing. Amazing discussion, gents. Best part is you both are educating and exposing people to what was a monster year in music, 1985! ❤
😊 I absolutely love both of you guys and your tastes and your musics. Do not stop this. I absolutely love it! I'm 53 and a jazz/prog fanatic so this speaks to me on so many levels. THANK YOU!
Old Ways is a great album. Glad to hear that someone else thinks the same! Heck, I love Landing on Water too.
I'm not really a fan, but I'm impressed Steven gave his take on IQ.
Appreciate the Misplaced Childhood discussion..and yes, Mylo is definitely sad and poppy and pretty. 1 of the best parts of the record.
Nice video, Steve and Tim. ^^
Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always, Dead Can Dance - Spleen and Ideal, Scritti Politti - Cupid & Psyche 85 and Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen are my fave albums of that year.
I could add the debut album of Clan of Xymox as my fave album of it, as well.
They did those last week, if you missed it. I much prefer that stuff to REM. Too American for me. I don’t feel any connection.
always find stuff i have not heard... thank you !
Wim DID do soundtracks soon after this era! He did Peter Greenaway's "The Belly of an Architect" (1991)
Two music nerds chatting about interesting music. What more can you want!
Brother Where you Bound has always been my favourite Supertramp album 👍
Best podcast ever. Keep the video episodes coming!
Please keep going with this podcast! Nothing entertains me quite as much!
Great podcast, guys !
I also love John Adams, Steve Reich, Eberhard Weber, and Arvo Part. Most rock critics would not go there. From 1985 I like Song for Everyone by Indian violinist L. Shankar.. An ECM release, it features Jan Garbarek and percussionists Zakir Hussain and Trilok Gurtu.
You guys went from one of my fav duos (No-Man) to one of my fav podcasts ♥️
girl, same!
Mmmm.... None of these entered my sphere in 85 (thankfully), but each to their own.
Here's my top 5 of that year :
1 Clan of Xymox - Clan of Xymox
2 City Slab Horror - Severed Heads
3 Endangered Species - Fatal Charm
4 Clifford Darling, Please Don't Live in the Past - Severed Heads
5 Low Life - New Order.
So glad you brought up Wim Mertens! That title track is one of my all time favourites.
Great work gentlemen.
It was ony very late when I was able to watch this 2nd part of a great music year...
I was give the opportunity to search and meet a really great band..Marrillion...
No one easily belives that it is from that year...or rather how many laters bands have the wonderful inpired...
Thank you that apart from REM you mentioned Eno and Dire Straits...
You both have great chemistry!!!👍🙏💯💎💿💎📀💎💞💕🌬🌊🎶
Marvellous, boys.
I will have to check out that Supertramp...never heard it!
You have to do it!! Do not miss on the big suite on that album. One of the best epics from Supertramp 😊
got it now!
It's good, real good! I was surprised at how solid it was, top to bottom.
Funny I don't really like misplaced but I looove clutching. On the radio they played the entire script before the clutching at straws premiere (those were the times) so listeners could see how bad the latter was, LOL! I love the first albums too btw
Excellent episode! Everybody's Rockin' was reportedly the one that pushed Geffen to breaking point, and you can kind of see his point.
Birdy by PG and Alchemy by DS were my favorite albums of the year. I was 17 and open to almost anything. But these 2 albums spoke volumes to me in design and execution. Once, I made my metal friends listen to these records and they were blown away.
selective memory
I played Birdy last night funnily enough! First time in years, and it still sounds great. Last PG album I truly liked. It all got a bit over produced and earnest after that for me.
The only place talking about so must kind of music😊
I wondered if you’d heard Anne Pigalle’s Everything Could Be So Perfect… also 1985 and also on ZTT. It was part of my ZTT playlist at the time. Still is for that matter.. 👍
Actually, yes. A lovely album.
Absolutely love the chats... so much to learn with your wealth of knowledge
1985 for me, in song...
KATE BUSH - The Ninth Wave (yes. the entire suite)
Great episode guys, so pleased you covered IQ, one of those much underrated bands, that amazingly seem to get better the older they get.
Excellent as always gentlemen , fond regards..Alan
Really enjoying, or should I say "liking" these reviews of music from select years. I am enjoying your passion for music and the pleasure of talking about it!
Good episode guys. Much more interesting than the previous 1985 podcasts. Educational.
Loved this episode. So many albums that were also mine, specially in the pop realm. Loved it!
Both Early Marillion and IQ are very Goth. If you are in to Cure have a listen.
Such a shame not to take a deep dive into REM. Possibly the best American Band of the 1980s (along with the Talking Heads) and early 90s. And no, Neil made several country-like albums. Not just that one.
yeah, as with most privately educated boys, they give the impression they know exactly wot they talkin 'bout even when their knwldge is severely limited.
That is awesome to hear. I never got into REM, so I had no idea they had such a rich discography. Is there a particular earlier album you recommend to someone who has only heard the singles?
@@CompleteProducer84 Start with 'Murmur' (1st album), give it a good few listens and you will want to progress to 'Reckoning'....after that you'll be off on the trajectory of their career album by album if you have any sense. Such a rich tapestry of songwriting, styles, melodies and themes which evolve and go off in tangents. You put in a little bit of effort and time and you will be rewarded ten fold. Enjoy
@@simonodonnell778 Great thank you, I will check out Murmur tonight
Ha! Agreed with all points on this one. I think that is a good thing…always fun and neat to watch. Thank you
5 out of 5 stars!!
Strange not any Holy Wars by Tuxedomoon, Great video though !!! Magma !!!!!!
So nice to go through all these albums. Makes me reach to some of them to have a listen. On some particulars, I think Supertramp "brother where you bound" is really great throughout. About Merci from Magma, when I discovered them in 1997, I acquired most of the catalogue very quickly and at the time it was the final Magma album and it did not leave a great impression on me, it felt a downer compared to the rest, it is probably time to have a new listen to it on its own merit.
For me, Propaganda's A Secret Wish is my absolute favourite record from 1985. I liked FGTH (1984 and 1986 ) and Andrew Poppy, too (Alphabed from 1987, too).
Wonderful fun and enlightening, even to a "knowledgeable" fan of these albums.
John Adams is a Genius.
Great thumbnail!
It would be great if Steven spent some time actually listening to REM because I’d love to know his thoughts about the likes of Murmur. I get the impression he has heard a little of them and has unfairly dismissed their music.
Like the Marillion album. Must pick up a copy of that. Its been way too long.
I tried the Supertramp but can’t get past the vocals. Bit too squeaky for me.
I was hoping you might mention one of my favourite albums of 1985 - if not THE album of 1985. The Style Councils Our Favourite Shop. A more eclectic mix of pop you wouldn’t find in that year. Everything about it - the artwork, the references, the pillaging of styles, the politics, the absolute belief of the thing, the sleeve, the booklet that came with it, the address of organisations like CND and the Anti blood sports campaigners… back then I would have followed Weller wherever he went.
If I missed you mentioning it in a previous episode, then I apologise 😊. Take care, both 👍🏻
I thought there were no squeaky vocals on Brother Where You Bound as Roger Hodgson - the squeaker - had left by that point. Sadly, though we both have a lot of time for Paul Weller, neither of us have heard Our Favourite Shop. Something that will be rectified.
Love the Wim Martins album.
Methinks “Hounds of Love” is probably the best album (especially side 2.) Most influential, and I’m going out on a limb here is Nighttime by Killing Joke, mostly rhythmically but also for production - think NIN, Nirvana, Industrial, etc.
Nightime is excellent. All those early KJ albums are so strong. Terrifying in places.
I’m suffering from Kate Bush OD these days. I would never call her anything but a genius but I played all those albums too much. A new one would be nice.
For me, here in Mexico, these video episodes are way better cause I can seek more music, on audio only episodes I couldn’t understand some names, being Spanish my first language, I’ve grown accustomed to American English, I can understand maybe 98%. Love your music too.
I love your podcast. You are music scholars. Conspicuously absent from your discussion is Propaganda's A Secret Wish, although Steven named it as one of his favorite albums. 🤩
Many similar thoughts about some of the 1985 albums covered today. Prefer "Clutching at Straws" over "Childhood's End" (was bummed when Fish left after CAS, because I thought they'd really found more of their own sound and style, being a bit less derivative), really thought Supertramp's "Brother Where You Bound" was a great disc (very well recorded as well...great sounding), and though I never got into the IQ release from '85, fully agree "The Road of Bones" was a really good album with some great vox from Peter Nicholls (have to confess he was a bit nasally for my taste until post 2000...his voice timbre and style definitely matured after he hit his 40s). 1985 had a big impact on me musically, so it's interesting to hear the discussions. Keep it up. Cheers!
I like REM but I don’t really know the first five albums at all. I really started with Green and then my interest lasted up to around Up (so the 90s output, the most commercially successful period I guess). Those albums are enough for me. Maybe I’m doing them a disservice not giving the early albums a go, but that’s what it is.
Fish-era Marillion were like someone parodying Gabriel-era genesis, clumsily removing any trace of virtuosity and good taste. Some people mistook it for prog, interestingly.
You covered everything, but there was also that Clan of xymox album from 4AD, in the dark wave category, holds up today pretty well. Rem Fables is a question of tastes, if you like 80's REM, it's solid.
You guys are so funny together.
IQ❤
Keep it up
Love your show.
How about lilac time/ Stephen Duffy. He’s like you, he stayed true to himself
To me 1985 also had fine LPs from Cock Robin, Sade, Mr Mister, Howard Jones and Simply Red worth mentioning. And on a heavier note, both Anthrax, Slayer and Celtic Frost released some hard hitting albums that year
Dream Into Action ??? That was great. Saw him on that tour and Lord could he play !!! He only had a drummer and that guy Jed doing a bit of mime. The show I saw was about a fortnight before the album dropped, and it goes to show how strong the songs were because when I played it the first time I could almost sing along with things like Autumaton, Hunger For The Flesh, No One Is To Blame and Specialty. Truly magical evening.
@@DorisDay-lw4xs Yes, Howard Jones two first albums are gems. Lucky you are to have seen him in his prime! DIA, Humans lib, The 12s album an Action replay are among my all time faves in that genre.
Rodger Hodgson solo: mwahhh…
Rick Davis alone (also called supertramp ): mwahhh..
Blend them together: brilliant!
I think the same goes for Pink Floyd
When you combine two different personalities and flavors together it can sometimes result in one great flavor.
The opposite happens when Peter Gabriel left Genesis, everyone expected that it would be the end of Genesis but the opposite happened. (Fcourse also due to the more mainstream road they went ..)
Meraviglioso "The Wake" degli IQ. Ma secondo me "Tales from the Lush attic" è ancor più bello e contiene una delle suite più belle della storia "The last human gateway" ❤