Will "FLEX TAPE" Make A Bow? (WILL IT BOW ep.11)
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There's a flex tape type product that is essentially fiberglass strip impregnated with a water activated resin compound. You have to soak it in water for a few minutes to get it activated and then apply it to what you intend to repair. It is market as a quick "permanent" repair for tool handles and plumbing. It only has like a 5 or 10 minute working time once fully activated so you'd have to put it on the unfinished stave pretty soon in the process, but I imagine it would still be done in roughly the same time frame that you applied the flex tape in this video. When I saw the title for this video I thought that was what you would be using, as I, myself, have often theorized that stuff would probably make a great bow backing material. I have used it to make the very types of plumbing repairs it is advertised for. In the adds they would show it being used to repair an 8 or 10 pound sledge hammer handle and then using the hammer, or an axe handle and then cutting wood with axe. It's strong stuff! The obstacle I always feared with it, would be that perhaps that strength would make it too stiff to make a proper bow backing. It's made by the same company as the stuff you use in this video but I can't for the life of me remember the exact name of the product. Maybe they don't make it anymore and what you used here is the new version of the product I am talking about. I don't know. If you see this comment, and if you can find the stuff I am referring to, perhaps you could try again with something less stretchy.
Muffler repair tape I got some at Autozone
Damn, brother! I'm shocked you even took on that project. Flex tape just comes off to me as glorified jumbo-sized electric tape, basically something that can be used as a pretty covering for something, but not as something that can improve structural integrity. Have you tried using carbon fiber or Kevlar for the backing and something like PVC decking for the body? I think a combo like that might yield some very pleasant results.
Cactus Jack: Watching you tiller a bow on your tillering rig I wondered how you judge the flex of each arm. It looks like it is somewhat subjective as in ‘by eye’. Do you think a series of horizontal lines drawn on the wall out past the tips of the bows would give you a better measure of the relative flex of one arm compared to the other?
Honestly, was kinda fiending for a new video, and this was definitely worth the wait! Just because something doesn't work like it was hoped doesn't make the video any less enjoyable.
Damn right Dude.
Here's a crazy off the wall thought. Could you use theraband as a backer?? It has lots of stretch and contraction....just a thought. Great stuff!!!
You just made me wonder if the elastic bands use for slingshots might be an option. The wide ones used for physical therapy are pretty much the same and come in varying amounts of tension to stretch.
SomeOne is a Physical Therapist here. ... You can put it on if there is another backing, as a decoration. But not so good on its own. Yes I tried.
Adhesion, longevity and susceptibility to heat/cold and determining "pre stretch" are only some of the issues and variables, the best backings have little stretch and high tensile strength.
You should have your own Brand Kramer, "Kramer Ammons' Ammonian-style Bows from the lands of the Ammons" 😎
Was wondering if bamboo flooring could work as a backing. I'll have to try it sometime.
Yeah I'd like to see you try again with flex tape multiple layers and where you clamped it should have probably been replaced
Try using Flex Seel instead of Flex tape. It might take longer but several coatings of Flex Seal should be a lot stronger than Flex Tape.
Flex seal also resists stretching from multiple directions, making it act more like a glue.
Kinesiology Tape has to be next. Strong, sticky and stretchy with great return to original length properties.
No cos it’s called kinesiology tape here👍
@Dakota Duree Kinesiology tape is different than athletic white tape
@Dakota Duree Definitely think it would need some sort of glue.
R. F free
The elastic properties of flex tape are in one direction only. Since it does not recompress itself it is only a matter of time till it is stretched out from normal use of the bow. Arguably it will never get past tillering to it's full draw and it will already be spent. As a safety material it will work and likely stop a dangerous explosion, but it won't ever provide performance either.
My thought is that Kramer uses small overlapping layers of the tape like 6 inch sections.
when a material stretches and does not return to true, that's PLASTICITY and not actually elasticity.
@@Felix.Fictus nice. There you go. And in this case a bowyer would call it "set".
Great video! Yes, please try multiple layers.
Love the new workshop, I'd love to see you make a penobscot bow.
Hey Kramer,
maybe some thoughts on your video, that might help to understand, what is happening from a technical/mechanical point of view.
Just ignore if you already know these things ;-)
I just saw the beginning of the video and i was 99% sure this will be an attempt that fails.
From a mechanical point of view you don't want any plastic yield/plastic deformation on that backing.
And this tape seems to be nearly just plastic deformation and no elasticity. So this backing would have a very small effect to the strength of the bow anyways. (Since the deformation-energy is transformed into plastic deformation and will not be transformed into kinetic energy of the arrow)
I think the main reason for some attemps to fail (not only this one) on this series is, that the distribution of stress in the cross-section of the bending arms is not ideal like with the ones with bamboo backing. The IPE wood is good for compression stress and the bamboo is perfect for tension stress. Since these bows are about 50/50 in width-percentage the stress is distributed perfectly and the glue layer in the middle gets nearly no stress - since there is a zero-crossing of the stress-curve. So at this series the backing of the bows is mostly very thin. So the IPE gets not only compression but also tension stress and will break or splinter at the "surface" which is glued on the backing.
I guess the backing material should simply stand alot of elongation + has about the same resistance to elongation stress as the IPE has to cpmpression + and also has about the same width in the cross-section. So if you want to use some tape for the backing maybe something like "MECRON Elastic Tape", pvc tape or silikon tape which is made out of strong elastomer (not sure how those would be glued since elastomer is not so easy to glue) i guess and then put alot of layers to get to the same width as the IPE.
I hope this helped - keep up the nice craftsmanship :-)
all the best,
Simon
I think he knows it's a terrible idea, he just wants the views from the "flex tape bow" title... I wish he would try things that could actually work and are interesting ideas other than something trendy.
I don't think so :-)
I think he is trying weird stuff that maybe has not been done before, without paying alot attention to technical details. But Kramer knows best why he is chosing what material. Anyways, his creative ideas especially the one with the glass fibre tape thing made me build my own bow! And that is great ;-)
Flex Tape, a marginal product at a premium price. It stretches, then does not spring back, rendering it useless for a backer and probably most applications where strength is needed. A Gaffers tape would work better (heavy duty duct tape). Not a lot of stretch, therefore better to assist the wood. Fiberglass packing tape has about a 1200 lb rating for strength, that would be nearly ideal. As it's not UV resistant, it'll need some shielding. FYI, anything from Flex company or from Gorilla company are more hype than results. Lots of tests by TH-camrs show that. Project Farm being one of the most extensive testing sites.
Im pretty sure he’s made a lot more bows 😂
I had a cool idea for will it bow, Try making jean backing for a bow but one is regular jeans and the other is the wrangler flexible jeans. See if the flexible jean will shoot a heavy arrow faster.
Oh an you rock bro awesome bows grate attitude
You ever get that board painted?
I'm up in the Denver area building my first bow now thanks to you!
Apply the flex tape perpendicular to the way it was applied in this video. If it is mostly flexible one way, it may add the strength and flexibility of need to be a good backer. It will just take much longer to apply, with it being multiple small pieces layered in just right.
Qualities and properties of materials known to work VS. material with the opposite qualities and properties.
The only time an experiment fails is when you learn nothing.
Right? At this point this is just an add for flex tape i think.. somehow
Ok so a little bit of an odd thing to ask but after watching the little side tangent about making videos and breaking bows I had a thought for a potential video idea. Idk if you've already done this but instead of making a bow could you take a bow that has already broken fix it. Basically it'd be like Will it Bow comeback edition
I was just browsing the garden section at my local store for stuff for my bonsai garden and bird feeders when I saw hardwood garden stakes some as long as 6 foot. They are the right kind of wood already have some of the right features and shape to them, but they are a bit thin for a bow. My question for you is, will they bow?
Inspired from you bowstring material test, you should try making a bow with paracord as the backing :D
My question is if you are able to make a bow from a PVC plank like you are able to do with certain forms of PVC pipe.
So, basically this is an experiment to see if you can make a 2 layer Ipe laminate board bow with flex tape on the back to avoid flying splinters in case of a catastrophic failure...
Can you use a masonry ruler (the metal ones) for a bow?
Stretchy is the opposite of what you want in a backing
Just forget this tape IMO - it isn't bonding like proper glued fibreglass etc
I’d rather have a recurve bow with a metal riser . Sorry but wooden bows over time become less effective & less powerful because the fibers in them break down & dry out plus you can’t break them down or buy new limbs . If they break you have to build a new one & i,m not about building a new bow .
Not gonna lie guys I'm expecting him to say hellow guys today I'm going to show you the power of flex tape, to show the power flex tape I saw this bow in half and repaired it with only flex tape.
6:10 Because it deforms plastically so easily, I bet it's probably not going to do much to help the bow.
Sneaky hidden cut at 0:30?
When he moves across the camera frame he divides the frame with his body vertically, then moves his body across the entire frame right to left. This would be a very easy cut to transition from the shot he took and the final successful trick shot where he hits the ring. There even appears to be some artifacting left of the target that may be left over from this process. This is a technique often used in film. I could be wrong and he legitimately did that shot in one take bit I doubt it.
Video skills have advanced and that is great, well done on that.
But my god you added so much unnecessary waffling crap and lame intro, 15 minute video and only about 5 minutes of bow making.
I noticed in the duck tape video you used multiple layers of tape and you heated it with the heat gun. I feel as if heating the flex tape with the heat gun would cause it to shrink and maybe pull tighter into the bow.
Ah, that's why there wasn't an upload in a few weeks, the trick shot took some time ;)
Just kidding, glad to see another WIB
@Darkness I worship spiders, not humans.
Anything else to say?
Heck is going on with this darkness guy
@@whoami1449 just remembered who you're talking about, must've blocked them lol
@@bl4cksp1d3r looking at his recent comments, i guess i am blocking him too just in case.
Just been watching your now building skills for a while 👍 Have you ever tried a layer of fiberglass tape under the rawhide for extra strength but the look of rawhide ?would it work .?
how many takes was that trick ring shot?
The reason you use drywall tape is that it doesn't stretch. If flextape had 'worked' then it would just have been a testament to KA being able to construct an unbacked IPA bow.
I was thinking the same thing. I thought it might work because of the name. But when he showed how the tape worked, I thought it would never work as backing. If he managed to get a string on, it would only be a matter of time before it would fail.
Can you make video on how to finish the bow handle
would ski's work as a bow ?
Try flex seal
You should do a bed linner backed bow.
make a video of how to make a wooden knife
just try some carbon fiber tape of some kind
shoot a wooden arrow out of a bow
Flex seal?
Where you at in CSP?
This is how we learn. Does your bow quiver affect the bows tiller? Or does the foam allow for flexion.
this is underrated
Whats the math, requirements, science behind the right backing material?
Never would suggest that stuff or any other tape on their own. Maybe if it's breathable you can glue on, but adhesion while stretching for a tape is a large ask.
Rayon/nylon or similar fibers pulled from the back side weave of scrap carpet remnants found at some curb. Pull that straight and glue it in line with the length of the bow, and then flex tape over that. Flex tape may have some property nice as a covering or wrap, but too much stretch on its own.
i think that the flex tape in general is not a good backing. it stretches and that's great, but it doesn't return back to its pre-stretch length. so over time it will just stretches out.
Maybe it's a possibility to pre-stretch the flextape, so that it will pull stronger as a backing!?
Well there's 15 minutes and 23 seconds of my life I won't get back!
With the advent of the $59.99 KAINOKAI 60" Takedown Recurve Bow on the market now, it's useless making our own bows any longer.
Use fiber fix
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Hi Kramer, nice job I just subscribed I am really enjoying your work.
Could you do a video on Comanche bow?
How about Turkish or Mongolian horse bows?
Thanks and keep up the great work!
I know you've done fiberglass before but what about the fiberglass landscape edging? I tried it on a small bow (first bow attempt after watching one of your videos) out of a 2x4 but my epoxy didn't hold and it delaminated. Probably because I epoxied the side I didn't sand. Haven't had the chance to make a second attempt. I have a feeling it would work pretty well if it's not too thick.
I got my first bow which was a PSA from x54 October the 3rd my birthday is tonight I've been shooting almost every day for a year now because my limbs are bent all the hell I ordered me from a 20 to 45 it's not really big it's a the Tidewe 45 lb recurve bow and I get six arrows with it for $99 it was actually a hundred and almost 150 after tax but for some reason I got to 45 lb for $99 and I'm home around budget so I had to have some arrows with it but same dude online very accurate but I can tell it in the last year I shoot you not Kramer I still got the string I ordered last November from you and it is still shooting strong every damn day but you know that means New bow new string. I just want to thank you because you do well above and beyond and you're a real asset to the archery community and like I said you changed my life that day I watched the $109 recurve bow is it worth it 🥳🏹🎯🦶🐴
its a shame it broke but it was informative, you probably should have bound it in tap like u would with sinew, maybe try gluing a fibreglass or PVc strip on first to reinforce limb then wrap it in the fibre glass impregnated flex tape(for hot surfaces like mufflers) from middle out and overlap it 50/50 or more for stress areas on lams? it will probably need to be lacquered with glue also like sinew
shouldn't you use some eyeprotection bro...I mean splinters and stuff are no joke...love your content:))
Hi, i am from Serbia and i have been following you on yt ever since you posted first will it bow video, and i am a big fan ever since. Your videos were different from any other videos i have watched at that time. Every video about bow making was the same but yours were different, you used some other materials and you were not afraid to try something different, something new and unusual. And I admire you for that. And i have an idea, or rather i have something new for you to try, a material that i think will work as a bow backing...maybe 😄
The material is pertinax or fr3 or fr4, its a material used for circuit board. Its a material made from resin and glas fibers just like fiberglass. So maybe for your next will it bow, you can try this one.
I wish you all the best and just keep going frend. 😉
Dude, you really need a new vise, ese. That harbor freight looking thing is no bueno, gringo. It’s muy loco pendejo. Get you a Wilton holmes, or an old school athol, or really anything other than what you got ese. It’s up to you to listen to my advise, mijo. You can take the cow to the out house, but you can’t make him poop, hermano.
You need to ditch board bows and go to tree staves my man. That break sounded dry as hell
Can i ask a question?
I bought a bow in a store a few months ago and when i tried to put the string on the upper part of the bow (3 part bow) did split, so there were 2 layers and they split partly...not the whole length but about half of it, can i fix that with glue and clamping it together and if yes, which kind of glue should i use?
Try a Fiberfix repair wrap for a backing. It's kinda like the material used to make a cast for broken bones.
Hey man, unrelated to the video, but I just got my bow in the mail and there’s a very small chip on the top of the bow. Is there a way I can make or buy metal caps to protect the ends of my bow? Thank you for all you do for us that weren’t taught as kids!
Have you tried P.E.T. made from old plastic bottles. It seems to me that it would be perfect to bond wood to horn material!!!!
Could you make a bow with Pistachio shells limbs ? Pistachio shells are extremely hard, my dream is: soaking or boiling the shells to soften them, then press them flat and dry completely. then place them interlaced as good as you can in a limb mold with epoxy, then compress all that to remove as much as you can of excess epoxy, then set that mold in your heat oven.
I’ve bee in watching your videos for two years and had no idea you were in Colorado Springs! Live in the same town! Would love to buy a bow you’ve made!
Flex tape materials both spray and tape are polymers for sealing leaks, etc. They are very weak in elasticity. Will never work alone as a backing. Maybe a high strength yet flexible epoxy will be better.
No you are doing it wrong do not use wood, use a quarter inch pvc tube at the exact length of the bow that you made in this video, first cut the tube in half, second bend the pvc tube for the bow shape, third apply flex seal rubberized spray in black color, fourth you need to let it dry for an hour then apply a second layer of flex spray wait another hour and done you have a long lasting bow 😁
Flex tape is designed to strech to bind/seal. Im experimenting with flex tap to seal a horse bow im building on the riser and tips. All glued up, will see soon if it holds up🤞
Forget the flex tape. No memory. It stretches but doesn't return to original shape. 8
At the risk of demeaning online creator content I am twelve minutes into this and still no clearer about whether this man has achieved the task he set out to do..lots of theatric' and not appropriate with potentially dangerous equipment ...cop on dude !
Hey Kramer I've got an old Ben Pearson recurve bow that I need a string for I have the size but I just need to know how to buy it off of your website because when I go to buy it it asked me to type in a size
Omg! I would totally paint your box. I'm just not in Colorado Springs 😢
It's the 1:54 point and two thoughts are going through my mind:
1. Get serious!
2. Time to stop watching this!
If phil swift can saw his boat in half, this can definitely work
Heeeiii don't throw the arrow 😭
Hey I want to make a 35lb wood bow and wanted to know what changes can be made to get it to that preferred poundage and if you could make a video about it haven't found any videos to make a bow with that low of a poundage thanks in advance
Is there a chance that you'll be having a giveaway bow? cuz I'm interested and I want to learn but I cant afford one
Yeah it flexes but doesn't reflex and is just then distorted. Maybe if you don't trim off the sides until it is tillered you could negate that but it would be a bugger
I would love to see if you would be able to use either flex tape or some other stretchy materials similar and pine or eastern Canadian Birch
the first "Trick shot" is obviously fake. you can see the cut. is this a joke i dont get? :D
I think you should make some more videos using it and start using some different woods also
when i read the title i thought you were making a bow out of flex tape not wood like a normal bow is. like i came to see a flex tape bow which would be a pain to make but i came for that not a wood bow with a color strip
Next challenge - PLYWOOD, will it bow?
nice shot!
I tried to sit thru this video but the loud repetitive music in between him just talking to the camera made it unenjoyable
Do you have any advice on making a handle for an osage bow? I just finished my first bow and am not happy with the handle. I'm thinking of trying a stacked leather handle glued to the bow. Any advice?
I admire your determination even thou the bow snapped you still gave a lot of lessons👍
KRAMER! I have a million dollar ideal! .... if I was able to do YT I would totally do this series... BOW RESURRECTION ! FROM THE GRAVEEEE.... taking broken bows and restoring them to new life. By any way, like gluing the limbs/new backing/ transforming into take down hybrid, etc. sooo many endless ways and ideals! I really hope you take this ideal and turn it into your own. Absolutely All Love. Lawrence.
I wrote something special behind this but soon as I went to hit send I hit the back button on the mouse lol
Just wondering if you might try flex glue for building a bow
I don't think the flex tape is good for this because it stretches but doesn't seem to bounce back.
One day I'm going to make a bow, and it will be awesome.
Mark my words.
omg you are from springs? Nice I was from pueblo.
Para mi las vetas de la madera están cruzadas no en línea recta por eso se rompe cruzada
You could not have matched better music to the video bro you nailed this video for sure